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Nonprofits deal with drop in giving
The Salvation Army could determine by month’s end how much to trim its programming budget after suffering an $80,000 decrease in Christmas donations compared with last year.
Other area nonprofits with Christmas distribution programs saw similar dips in giving
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/story/279095.html
Signs of a weakening economy. Wasn’t private charity a bulwark of conservativism?
Renowned Astronomer Sir Patrick Moore, a fellow of the UK’s Royal Astronomical Society, host of the BBC’s Sky at Night program since 1957 and author of over 60 books on astronomy called global warming concern ‘rubbish’ in an interview with The Sun in 2005.
“I think it’s a lot of rubbish! From 1645-1715 the sun was inactive and we had a ‘Little Ice Age,’” Moore said. “Then the sun went back to normal and the world warmed up,” he concluded. Moore most recently co-authored two books published in 2006: 50 Years in Space: What We Thought Then What We Know Now; and Bang! The Complete History of the Universe.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/webchats/article214154.ece
Starting the day again with your usual Global Climate Change “denial complex”?
I suppose you also think that the earth is only 8000 years old?
Lola Haynes asks the children under her care for a hug, and they immediately swarm her in the basement of her southeast Wichita home. Haynes may soon lose the tri-level house because the interest rate on her adjustable rate mortgage recently rose from 8.25 percent to 11.25 percent — upping her house payment by $600, to $2,001.
She faces losing not only her home but her sole source of income–her day care.
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/story/279083.html
Kind of puts a human face on the weakening economy.
“…leading Democrats propose rolling back a landmark law passed in 2005 that made it harder for people to file for bankruptcy and walk away from their debts.”
Expect republicans to fight this tooth and nail. Welfare for big business, but never a break for the little guy.
“More than 801,000 personal bankruptcy filings were made last year compared with more than 573,000 in 2006, according to statistics released from the American Bankruptcy Institute.”
More signs of an economy headed down the tubes.
Fears About Economy Increase
Major banks and mortgage companies yesterday sharply accelerated an industry consolidation that is set to change the landscape of American lending, while a convergence of events exposed fresh worries about the U.S. economy.
New indications emerged yesterday that the spiraling subprime mortgage crisis is spreading from home loans to credit cards, potentially engulfing a far broader segment of Americans. At the same time, the U.S. trade deficit soared to a 14-month high, fueled by soaring oil prices.
And rising concern that U.S. investment houses, particularly Merrill Lynch, may yet suffer far greater losses, helped set up a wide market sell-off.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/11/AR2008011103959.html?hpid=topnews
The answer is clear: More tax cuts for the wealthy, more wars.
Good morning Apophis,
I’m not sure how old the earth is, could be as old as 10,000 years. I think it was 8,000 years old when Christ was born.
8000…………10,000 years………………..it matters little.
Your belief in this fallacy reinforces your lack of cedibility in the Global Climate Change issue.
Iran Encounter Grimly Echoes ’02 War Game
There is a reason American military officers express grim concern over the tactics used by Iranian sailors last weekend: a classified, $250 million war game in which small, agile speedboats swarmed a naval convoy to inflict devastating damage on more powerful warships.
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Iran Shows Its Own Video of Vessels’ Encounter in Gulf (January 11, 2008)
In the days since the encounter with five Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz, American officers have acknowledged that they have been studying anew the lessons from a startling simulation conducted in August 2002. In that war game, the Blue Team navy, representing the United States, lost 16 major warships — an aircraft carrier, cruisers and amphibious vessels — when they were sunk to the bottom of the Persian Gulf in an attack that included swarming tactics by enemy speedboats.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/washington/12navy.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
I believe I read somewhere that Iraq has thousands of such speedboats. Smart. But the boats which were close to our warships the other day were armed only with machine guns, apparently.
Ophelia Cagel,
Apparently this time, the speed boats were only lightly armed. But they could have just as easily been carrying explosives or missiles.
“In a telephone interview, General Van Riper recalled that his idea of a swarming attack grew from Marine Corps studies of the natural world, where insects and animals — from tiny ant colonies to wolf packs — move in groups to overwhelm larger prey.
“It is not a matter of size or of individual capability, but whether you have the numbers and come from multiple directions in a short period of time,” he said.”
Wouldn’t it be something if the most powerful Navy in the world could be dealt a defeat by a bunch of cheap speedboats?
Bigger is not always better.
Hank,
You’re the naval expert here,any comment on the possibility of a naval force being taken down by a bunch of fast, heavily armed speedboats?
XXX,
That’s already been done on TV. Remember the U.S.S. Cole?
The Cole was fairly close to harboring. These Navy ships were quite aways from a safe harbor.
Having five boats on a suicide mission packed with explosives could have killed hundreds of sailors and perhaps even sunk some U.S. Navy aircraft.
If it were me, I would have carved my initials in their boats with some 50 cal. Then when Iran complained about it, I would have said “what boats?”
Interesting analysis of the current state of “fusionism,” a term invented by Frank Meyer of the National Review in 1958 (I think), in today’s GOP by Robert Tracinski. Famous fusionists include Reagan and Buckley. Famous conservative critics of fusionism include Russell Kirk and Ayn Rand.
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January 11, 2008
GOP ‘Fusionism’ Comes Un-Fused
The modern conservative movement was created by forging an alliance between religious traditionalists, pro-free-marketers, and foreign policy hawks. The idea that held this coalition together was the theory of “fusionism,” championed by National Review in the 1950 and 1960s. Fusionism was the idea that these three wings of conservatism could not only find common cause but could cobble themselves together into a semi-integrated ideology. The theory was that the religionists would defend traditional American culture, which would provide the cultural support for the ideals of limited government and American patriotism.
[...]
The reason is that religion cannot support the real basis for capitalism and a strong American national defense: a morality of rational self-interest. Christianity is too deeply committed to a philosophy of self-abnegation, a destructive morality that urges men to renounce any interest in worldly goods and to turn the other check in the face of aggression. The early Christian saints, for example, abandoned all material comforts and lived in caves–which is to say that their closest contemporary disciples are the radical environmentalists. As for foreign policy, St. Augustine spent a fair bit of his massive apologia for Christianity, The City of God, explaining to the Romans that being sacked by barbarians was good for them because it taught them the virtue of humility and cured them of their attachment to material wealth.
I’m not sure what answer you would get if you asked “what would Jesus do” if he were alive today. But I’m pretty certain the answers would not include: “seek venture capital for a high-tech start-up,” “negotiate an import deal for Chinese-made flat-screen TVs,” or “manage a hedge fund.” Which is too bad, because these are the activities that achieve, in reality, what the loaves and the fishes never could.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/gop_fusionism_comes_unfused.html
Or, JimmyMac, we could just not have our ship in the Persian Gulf.
Regular,
I’m amazed that a group of American warships would let speedboats get within 200 yards, especially considering the Cole incident. 5 targets would be easy enough to handle, but what if there had been 100 speedboats? 500? As I understand it, the Iranians have this capability.
Having a U.S. Naval task force sent to the bottom by a bunch of speedboats would be a hell of a slap in the face for us and a major P.R. victory for Iran. Maybe it’s time to recommission a “Brown-Water Navy” like we used in Vietnam? I could see major logistic problems with that. Still, the threat is there and we need to be prepared for it. Military intelligence has to be part of the solution. I’d think it would be very difficult to stage several hundred speedboats for an attack without someone noticing it.
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CapnAmerica
Posted January 12, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink
Or, JimmyMac, we could just not have our ship in the Persian Gulf.
Sorry Capn, but as long as we’re getting oil through the Gulf, that’s not feasible. Of course the problem would go away if we didn’t depend on foreign oil, but that’s not going to happen any time soon. To have the Straits blocked by a bunch of sunken U.S. warships would devastate our economy.
XXX…did you read the article? Before you blame ever ill in the world on conservatives, maybe you should check the facts? For example, in part the article stated:
“…in the Salvation Army’s case, poor weather, which resulted in shorter days for bell ringers at donation kettle sites.”
Or…are you going to blame the cold weather on the conservatives as well? For once, try to see something that is not political, can you?
XXX — Is there anything significant in having CITY employees taking part in a fund raising effort for a local Church denomination??
“Weather also prevented the Wichita firefighters from conducting an annual Bootblock fundraiser for the Salvation Army. Last year, they raised nearly $50,000.”
Just a thought…
Hank, your argument for 10,000 years doesnt make a lick of common sense, considering that the light from myriads of stars haas taken longer than that just to get here where we can see it!! Some of those stars in the night sky are millions of light years away — Of course, I guess you could argue that the speed of light isnt scientifically based… You know, the way you do with global warming!! LOL
The speed of light isn’t scientifically based.
The speed of light occurs with or without science. :cool:
The IPCC in its 4th Accessment Report that a global average temperature will increas by 1.1 to 6.4 degrees by year 2100.
So much for accuracy in climate predictions eh?
If the Kyoto Protocol is fully implemented, the effects on global average temperature by 2080 will be undetectable.
Yes, contribute to Al Gore’s multimillion carbon credit scam so we can do something. :roll:
In order to stabilize atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide requires that net global emissions be reduced from today’s levels by 100 percent.
For all you percentage challenged folks, that’s no cars, no trucks, no electricity, no heating of homes, no food production, trees must stop growing, cows can pass flatus and humans cannot breathe out co2. :D
Well
I put myself in their shoes.
If it was somebody elses navy playing off my coast, I’d harrass them too.
Dear Hank Price,
Why can’t you understand the difference between baseless “assertions”, and careful, tedious scientific methodology.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-1111/#comment-271646
It seems to be 100% irrelevant to Hank that Sir Patrick Moore has done zero peer-reviewed climate research.
But… Moore was awarded Pipe Smoker of the Year.
http://www.sirpatrickmoore.com/biography/serious_science.php
Dear Hank,
Did you notice the word “showbiz” in the link you posted at 7:09 am? Did that suggest anything to you?
And here are 11 peer-reviewed studies since 1998, which conclude that solar had little to do with the last 3 decades of warming.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
cosmos
Posted January 12, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink
“And here are 11 peer-reviewed studies since 1998, which conclude that solar had little to do with the last 3 decades of warming.”
Yes,
It must have been that excessive co2 around my house that has melted all that snow and ice around my house.
According to cosmos, the sun had nothing to do with it. :cool:
Some of JimmyMac’s falsehoods and spin at 10:51 AM are from Dr. Roger Pielke, Jr, a political scientist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_A._Pielke_%28Jr%29
Poor JimmyMac does not know that Kyoto was not intended to have significant long-term effects. It was/is only a temporary (ending 2012) first step.
And poor JimmyMac does not know that the CO2 humans exhale is carbon neutral.
Regular — You said: “It must have been that excessive co2 around my house that has melted all that snow and ice around my house.”
Now, that’s just plain DUMB!! LOL The snow around your house has nothing to do with global warming, you dumb idiot!! Flamer!!
‘Construction of a Composite Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) Time Series from 1978 to present’
http://www.pmodwrc.ch/pmod.php?topic=tsi/composite/SolarConstant
Cosmos — What is your take on this new Solar Cycle 24, which seems to have started a couple of months before expected??
Wasn’t private charity a bulwark of conservativism?
-XXX
Wasn’t rasing taxes to pay for government sponsored social programs a bulwark of liberalism?
For example, why donate money to private charity if the government is taxing so heavily to fund the social programs?
C
Chas,
I haven’t looked much at Cycle 24 stuff yet.
And maybe JimmyMac can’t understand context?
Maybe he forgets the previous sentence, when he reads the next one?
He did it on another thread. Dr. Hayden said Gore was wrong about CO2 and temperatures, and I posted that scientists said Gore was correct.
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“According to the [’Maine Today’ newspaper] article, [Dr.] Hayden argued that “climate history proves that Gore has the relationship between carbon dioxide concentration and global warming backwards.”
‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2
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JimmyMac then wandered off re other, non-CO2 climate factors.
Regular posted January 11, 2008 at 12:08 am
“The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’ cosmos
Posted January 11, 2008 at 12:02 am
That would be correct if co2 was the only thing that affected climate change.”
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Chas.
Posted January 12, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink
Regular — You said: “It must have been that excessive co2 around my house that has melted all that snow and ice around my house.”
Now, that’s just plain DUMB!! LOL The snow around your house has nothing to do with global warming, you dumb idiot!! Flamer!!
Is it dumb?
Multiply that event of melting snow by 100 seasons and you have a Climate indicator.
That is, that the sun has consistently melted the snow on the area of land my house has set upon.
Or Chas, you can be a Solar denier. :D
Perhaps cosmos cannot understand that co2 isn’t the only factor that affects climate change.
That little itsy bitsy oscillation in the Pacific ocean called El Nino has thrown the Climate Projections off every year, including 1998 when El Nino did its thing, peaked out the temperatures and totally destroyed the consensus scientist conspirators pet theories.
:cool:
Regular — You cannot possibly be so stupid a to believe that the melting of snow around your house has anything whatsoever to do with the issues related to Global Warming… ooops, maybe you could be that stupid!! :roll:
JimmyMac,
Thank you for proving my 11:55 AM post was correct.
And poor JimmyMac cannot understand that Earth’s temperatures are influenced by BOTH natural AND anthropogenic factors.
Chas.
Posted January 12, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
Regular — You cannot possibly be so stupid a to believe that the melting of snow around your house has anything whatsoever to do with the issues related to Global Warming… ooops, maybe you could be that stupid!!
Okay Chas,
Let’s expand my house into a larger scenario on a Global macro scale – let’s say the combined continents of the earth, along with the oceans.
There us snow and ice upon these continents and oceans.
Every year, the snow and ice accumulates and every year the snow and ice melts under the natural warmth of the sun. Snow and ice have a nice albedo, so they have a higher yield radiation that reflects back into the atmosphere helping to cause seasonal change.
Or Chas, are you a solar denier? :cool:
Let’s remove the sun from the equation of Climate Change.
What happens then Chas? :)
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cosmos
Posted January 12, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
JimmyMac,
Thank you for proving my 11:55 AM post was correct.
And poor JimmyMac cannot understand that Earth’s temperatures are influenced by BOTH natural AND anthropogenic factors.
I dunno there cosmos, I’ve had two Meteorological Courses at the undergraduate and graduate level as part of my academic discipline.
I would say that you cosmos, the non scientist, is lacking in understanding. :cool:
Since you started with JUST the snow around your house, let’s not expand your original statement, into something that “might” give you a half oz. more credibility… IF thats possible… Stick with your original statement… Stop flaming… Stop baiting… What you originally said was just plain DUMB!
Anybody can see that!! Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!! You should go back to your “kansas” nic… you are doing a major disservice to the nic, “regular”!! LOL
Gee, REgular — maybe you have had too many courses, in too many things… I have heard of people being called “Over-educated Idiots” before, but dont recall ever running into one…
Oh well, there’s first time for everything!!
:-)
‘How strongly does the Sun vary?’
http://www.mps.mpg.de/projects/sun-climate/variability.html
‘Solar Cycle Variations’
http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:Solar_Cycle_Variations_png
Thanks for the links Cosmos!!
DNFTT
Why thank you Chas. :)
You have not contributed one iota of science or technical aspect to the conversation. Ad hominem and insults are the key to your discussion techniques.
Thank you for the enlightened conversation using Libnuttia discussion techniques.
cosmos
Posted January 12, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
‘How strongly does the Sun vary?’
cosmos,
Remove every solar influences from all of your inaccurate and data poor computer climate models and tell me what you have.
Aphid I am not a troll. I post here as my own pretty pink self.
JimmyMac posted January 12, 2008 at 10:51 am
“The IPCC in its 4th Accessment Report that a global average temperature will increas by 1.1 to 6.4 degrees by year 2100.”
So much for accuracy in climate predictions eh?”
The IPCC reports different estimates, for different emissions scenarios.
“Best estimates and likely ranges for global average surface air warming for six SRES emissions marker scenarios are given in this assessment and are shown in Table SPM.3. For example, the best estimate for the low scenario (B1) is 1.8°C (likely range is 1.1°C to 2.9°C), and the best estimate for the high scenario (A1FI) is 4.0°C (likely range is 2.4°C to 6.4°C).
The new assessment of the likely ranges now relies on a larger number of climate models of increasing complexity and realism, as well as new information regarding the nature of feedbacks from the carbon cycle and constraints on climate response from observations.”
See table SPM.3, and figures SPM.5 and .6 in Summary at,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
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Apophis
Posted January 12, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink
not you JR…………………
the TROLL-BOY, “Regular”, “Republican”, “Kansas”, “JM”, “RepubliKhan”, “Eier”, and on and on………………
six foot four, 250 pounds of manhood and you call me boy?
I don’t think so. :cool:
cosmos
Posted January 12, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink
JimmyMac posted January 12, 2008 at 10:51 am
“The IPCC in its 4th Accessment Report that a global average temperature will increas by 1.1 to 6.4 degrees by year 2100.”
So much for accuracy in climate predictions eh?”
The IPCC reports different estimates, for different emissions scenarios.
Which emissions scenario door are the inhabits of earth suppose to choose from cosmos?
door #1, #2, #3, door #ad infinitum?
cosmos
Posted January 12, 2008 at 1:15 pm |
The new assessment of the likely ranges now relies on a larger number of climate models of increasing complexity and realism, as well as new information regarding the nature of feedbacks from the carbon cycle and constraints on climate response from observations.”
Translated:
We’re just guessing our butts off with wildly speculative scenarios.
JimmyMac posted January 12, 2008 at 1:17 pm
“Which emissions scenario door are the inhabits of earth suppose to choose from cosmos?”
The one that causes the smallest temperature rise, the least climate change, and the least sea level rise.
Chas,
If you haven’t looked at yet, the IPCC Summary is very interesting. Lots of basic info re climate models, forcings, etc.
It’s about 3 megabytes, other chapters range from about 5 to over 22 MB.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
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Apophis
Posted January 12, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
The troll-boy did promise to leave at the end of 2007 and vowed NEVER to return. Now he cries that people are bringing in his “personal” data.
Don’t share your personal data and it won’t get shared troll-boy!
I haven’t shared my personal data.
The Lib stalkers on this blog are putting it on the Web.
How about you XXX? Would you be pissed if suddenly I started to post personal data about your wife, your address, your email and other aspects of your life on the blog?
Of course, I don’t expect you to answer maturely on the matter, but there is always hope.
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Apophis
Posted January 12, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
“I haven’t shared my personal data.
The Lib stalkers on this blog are putting it on the Web.”
How could these evil, Lib. stalkers get your personal data if you hadn’t divulged who you are?
I can’t explain to you how they did it or it would allow even more unscrupulous people to pry into my private life.
The hint is the Wichita Eagle’s policy that you see above every post.
Your e-mail address is never published or shared.
That piece of information was used from an early post I made referencing something which was not part of this blog.
The rest of it has been done by the stalkers on this blog, seeking out information on me.
They think it is funny. It is not funny as they don’t know who is watching this blog. There might be criminals or people who wish to do me harm that use their information to steal my identity or even worse things.
The Wichita Eagle has shown zero balls in punishing these people. They know who they are and I will name them.
They are: CapnAmerica, J R and Steven Davis.
I have email proof that I have sent to Brownlee more than 30 times to do something about these stalkers. He has failed to take action.
Well, James, didn’t you post Tom’s approximate office address and suggest that his office could be “rifles” while he was out of town?
Didn’t you suggest that you might find Farm Grrl’s home and business and disrupt same?
Haven’t you threaten to “stomp someones mudhole?”
Your hands are not exactly clean……………
Respect is a two way street.
I supposed that you will now call me “Heebie” or accuse me of being homosexual.
The day changes, but the story remains the same.
If you want respect, give respect.
Regular — Seems to me if you know all of that information, then YOU might just be able to get information on others, including email addresses, etc. too… Right?? Hmmmm….
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Chas.
Posted January 12, 2008 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
Regular — Seems to me if you know all of that information, then YOU might just be able to get information on others, including email addresses, etc. too… Right?? Hmmmm….
Chas,
I know a lot more than you think. I also know enough to respect their privacy and not posting it day after day, month after month, under anonymous “nics” on this blog like they have done to me.
If you want to justify their behavior, so be it.
Do you want your email, your home address and points about your private life posted here Chas?
I don’t think you do now do you?
and William Clark, I never posted Tom’s address nor did I post a picture of kfg on the Web. I might have replied to the posting of her photo, but I never posted the link.
Haven’t you threaten to “stomp someones mudhole?”WSClark
Posted January 12, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Yeah I did and I will only say this once, but it will probably get repeated by the low lifes on this blog many times.
One of them made (J R, Steven Davis, CapnAmerica) made a comment about me having sex with my sister. I’m very sure it’s the same poster who has posted her name on this blog today.
My sister is sweet person who has never touched a computer in her life. She has nothing to do with this blog.
These are the kind of animals I dealing with William. They hold no common decency and are willing to put my sister’s life in jeopardy for their selfish and cruel behavior.
And yes, if I saw them in person and knew they were the ones making those comments, I would stomp a mud hole in them.
Hey Hank,
Your famous astronomer (not climate scientist) believes that men and women should have separate TV channels.
‘Moore blames women for ‘banal’ TV ‘
“I used to watch Doctor Who and Star Trek, but they went PC – making women commanders, that kind of thing. I stopped watching.”
William,
Now you are just stirring up trouble so you can look good aren’t you?
I apologized several times to Tom and admitted that I did it.
That is much much more that your Lib buddies have done now isn’t it?
There is no sense talking to you anymore Willilam, you will use anything to justify the stalking of the your Lib buddies.
Note, that what I did happened once and it was an error, I apologized for it several times.
What your Libs buddies are doing is occurring daily, month after month and they do it the coward’s method, under hidden “nics.”
But hey William, if you want to justify their behavior, then you are just as much of a dirt bag as they are.
Considering JimmyMac’s past behaviour, and zero credibility, I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the (anonymous) 1:20 PM post himself.
I got an email that my name has come up in yet another fight with the troll.
Leave me out of it folks, please.
Thanks.
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Tom
Posted January 12, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
I got an email that my name has come up in yet another fight with the troll.
Leave me out of it folks, please.
Thanks.
Blame William S. Clark for that Tom, not me.
BTW, I have noted several different times how much of an increase in Spam Porn Email I get whenever I am logged in to the Blog… or maybe you forgot that part… My inquiries also mostly went without notice or action on the part of the Editors… I dont think they know how to stop it!
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Chas.
Posted January 12, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink
Dont melt down there REgular — I didnt justify ANTYthing… just noting that YOU seem to know how it all works… YOU could be hacking email addresses as well… ANYbody who does such a thing should get banned from the Blog… ANYbody!!
I never hacked anyone’s email address and why would you say that if you didn’t have proof?
I know the answer to that Chas. You Libs don’t need proof, you just make accusations and if you repeat it over and over, it becomes the truth in your minds.
Troll: KMA
Everyone else: Have a nice day. :)
WS,
No worries. I frankly find it ridiculous that the editors haven’t found a way to ban that sanctimonious b4$+4rd from the blog yet.
Regular — You better look again… I didnt make ANY accusations… I merely said that you COULD be hacking emails… I mean, since you know so much about how it is done and all… :-)
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Chas.
Posted January 12, 2008 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
BTW, I have noted several different times how much of an increase in Spam Porn Email I get whenever I am logged in to the Blog… or maybe you forgot that part… My inquiries also mostly went without notice or action on the part of the Editors… I dont think they know how to stop it!
The only one that complains about this Chas is you.
I and others have stated we never get porn spam in our email in boxes.
Evidently, you have a mail service that doesn’t block spam and you don’t know how to set up a spam blocker.
You might want to invest in a better mail service or learn how to use a spam blocker on email. There are even some free ones available.
I remember distinctly when Clark said that he would not attend a Blog Meet-up if there would be weapons present. I also stated the same thing.
JimmyMac,
You still have not found those Congressional and Justice Dept links, re the New Orleans levees?
I might be the only one who complains about it on the Blog… That does NOT mean I am the only one to whom it happens… Pull your head out and get real, Regular… Oh, and Clark never threatened to shoot anybody either!!
The sand box boys are still fighting.
When you are done, I’d like to get back on topic:
Global Warming.
Dogpiling?? Thats hilarious!! And knock off with your sexual inuendo… Thats one of the major things people dont like about you, Jimmie/Regular/Whoever you are today… That kind of BS is not necessary!!
Some have said recently, that John Kerry’s endorsement of Obama is a “kiss of death” for Obama… So, maybe Kerry’s Obama endorsement is really a back door endorsement for Edwards??
Chas,
I think Kerry just believes Obama has the best chance of winning in November.
He could be right. But I’ve decided to stick with the underdog (Edwards) until he’s no longer relevant. The corporate state needs to be held to account.
Some will think supporting Edwards helps Hillary. It might–but it sure didn’t in Iowa!
P.S. Yes, I suppose I could live with the Clinton x 2 presidency. But it’d better be an improvement on Act I (sigh. . .).
Rage — I like Edwards, but I am not thrilled with the way he delivers speeches… He sort of reminds me of a College student in Basic Speech 101, instead of the proposed leader of the USA…
Maybe I am just picky because public speaking is a major part of my career… Obama handles the “stage presence” factor much better than Edwards, OR Hillary!!
I could handle another Clinton, IF as you say, Act II is better than Act I!!
‘Hit You Where You Live’
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/hit-you-where-you-live/
“Like the majority of people, I live in the northern hemisphere. And like the vast majority of people, I don’t live at sea, I live on land.
…
While the planet as a whole has been warming since 1975 at 0.018 deg.C/yr, the NH land has warmed at 0.031 deg.C/yr, nearly 70% faster!
In fact NH land has warmed more than a full deg.C just since 1975.”
Page has graphs of NH temperatures for four NH latitude bands.
Chas,
I saw a TV interview (Bill Moyers) recently. Don’t know who the guest was, but he said Obama was very skillful at changing and matching his speeches to the audience. Dialect, wording etc.
Also something to the effect that he didn’t know what Obama’s natural speech was.
I’m really angry right now…I just recieved another one of those stupid emails about Obama being a muslim who hides that fact in order to infultrate our government with his radical Islamic ideals. The email says he refused to use the bible, but insisted on the Koran when he swore in to public office, that he refuses to say the pledge of allegence and that he turns his back and looks at the ground when it is said in his presence.
My brother and his wife believe this nonsense hook, line, and sinker!! And they’re sending every email they get their hands on like this to everyone they know, including me. I get so sick of the false propaganda that floats around on the internet.
Why are there so many stupid Americans who buy into this BS?
Just like swiftboating Kerry…now they start with Obama!
I don’t know if Obama would make the best president..but it makes me mad at how those with their own aganda will stoop to anything to try and destroy him.
Regular,
You are correct.
I agree with you Mary!! I got three or four of those emails last week!! It is stupid, and ridiculous, not to mention an outright LIE!! I think Obama should take it to Court, and stop it now, before the campaigns get any further!!
He is NOT a Muslim… And besides, they also attack a mainline denomination in the process!!
I know of his home church in Chicago, and I know that pastor — Dr. Jeremiah Wright… And Dr. Wright is anything BUT a racist!!
ExCuuuuse Me Kansas/Regular…. I attacked your POST — the sexual inuendo… NOT you personally!! However, sometimes its hard to attack the post without attacking the poster!!
Regular, all you have done all day so far is WHINE!! It’s hard to attack a WHINING post, but I am doing the beset I can!!
Look what these dirty dirty boys have been doing,
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/business/12lend.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=1&adxnnlx=1200146615-G4i4Uy1GuYmkzOD95ugZaA
An investigation into the mortgage crisis by New York State prosecutors is now focusing on whether Wall Street banks withheld crucial information about the risks posed by investments linked to subprime loans.
Reports commissioned by the banks raised red flags about high-risk loans known as exceptions, which failed to meet even the lax credit standards of subprime mortgage companies and the Wall Street firms. But the banks did not disclose the details of these reports to credit-rating agencies or investors.
The inquiry, which was opened last summer by New York’s attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo, centers on how the banks bundled billions of dollars of exception loans and other subprime debt into complex mortgage investments, according to people with knowledge of the matter. Charges could be filed in coming weeks.
In an interview Thursday, Connecticut’s attorney general, Richard Blumenthal, said his office was conducting a similar review and was cooperating with New York prosecutors. The Securities and Exchange Commission is also investigating.
The inquiries highlight Wall Street’s leading role in igniting the mortgage boom that has imploded with a burst of defaults and foreclosures. The crisis is sending shock waves through the financial world, and several big banks are expected to disclose additional losses on mortgage-related investments when they report earnings next week.
Most interesting Annie… Good post!!
Incidents like the one below make me wonder about the alleged Ron Paul incident as reported by hannity’s people
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409170013
On September 17, The Drudge Report home page featured a September 16 Associated Press photo of a 3-year-old girl, Sophia Parlock, holding a ripped Bush-Cheney ‘04 sign and crying as she sits on her father’s shoulders. Drudge captioned the photo: “GIRL CRIES AFTER BUSH/CHENEY SIGN RIPPED BY THUGS…”. Later that day, The Washington Times published an interview with the Parlock family, whom the paper described as “proudly patriotic.”
As The Washington Times reported on September 17:
“They just pounced on us,” said Phil Parlock, who took his 11-year-old son, Alex, and 3-year-old daughter, Sophia, to the Democratic rally at Tri-State Airport in Huntington, W.Va.
Sophia became briefly famous yesterday when an Associated Press photo showing her in tears after Democrats tore her sign to pieces was posted on Matt Drudge’s Web site, http://www.drudgereport.com.
“She was crying; they were pushing and shoving her,” said Mr. Parlock, a Huntington real estate agent. “She was scared.”
Both The Washington Times and Drudge failed to mention that this is the third time the Parlock family has been involved in so-called assaults involving campaign signs.
The recent incident in the straits and the attack on the Cole is apples and oranges, though at the time of the Cole incident the Navy was operating under a warning. When ships that harbored in certain ports that were thought to pose a threat from terrorism, The Captains were advise to take measures against such attacks, the Captain of the Cole was sited for failing to follow the advisory. Yemen’s harbor had such an advisory in effect and still does. The incident in the straits was considered open water and it could have be justified in sinking the boats after a warning. Iran would have to show that the U.S, Vessel was in their waters in order to justify their harassing the ship.
JimmyMac,
Did you find those Congressional and Justice Dept links, re the New Orleans levees?
Chas,
Like I posted 11:55 AM, JimmyMac seems to have a problem with “context”… or something?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-112-2/#comment-272049
Why can’t you guys just discuss issues without getting into a fist fight? It is really stupid the way almost every thread disolves into a shouting, threatening, slug fest. Grow up, all of you.
“Mary caruso” –
It’s like that old law school lesson: “When the facts are against you, argue the law; when the law is against you, argue the facts; and when the law and the facts are against you, wave your hands and pound the table.”
I haven’t bothered to watch every round of WE Blog today. It’s been like watching a couple of six-year-olds fighting; a lot of whining and punches thrown, but nobody gets hurt.
Pity the lives of those who had nothing better to do today but wage a flame war.
it doesn’t matter how depressed I get…I can always count on the same bunch of posters to make me laugh at how pathetic you are…
Phillip Morris is campagning against the tobacco tax by providing a number that you can call and they will hook you up with your local representive…I called it and got the office of the honorable Todd Tiahrt, where I left him a message blasting him for opposing the tax because of his vested interest in the tobacco companies, who generously contribute to his campaigns. It’s easy to understand why he would oppose to a tax that would make smoking so expensive that many people would quit, it would cut into the profits of the tobacco companies, the very companies he’s obligated to protect above anything else.
He also voted to cut off funding to the Dept of Justice’s lawsuit against the tobacco companies. In every instance, he has voted in the interest of tobacco companies.
Just think how much we could gain if people stopped smoking..it would go a long way into bringing down the cost of health care for everyone, and the money saved by not having to treat smoking related illnesses could be put to better use for children’s or preventative healthcare. The savings to the taxpayers alone would make it worthwhile.
If you’re interested, the # is 1 866 527 4494. Call and let him know what a scumbag he is for selling out to the tobacco companies.
Thanks to all of you…now I can get back to writing since you’ve fleshed out your characters a little more…
Thank you for this information Mary.
This is just another reason to replace tankless todd in November.
You could stop drinking too, Mary…since alcohol has its own health related issues.
I am a smoker, Mary… And the prices where I am working now, have already forced me to cut back whole bunch!! No thanks to Tiahrt… IF you really believe the smokers are such a threat, try looking up some figures on how much “fed” money is used to treat tobacco illnesses… ok?? Not trying to pick a fight, but just check it out!! And IF Tiahrt did change his support, he would still vote against SCHIP like he has already done!! Just IMHO!!
Fred Thompson gets positive press even from the Liberal NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/us/politics/12thompson.html
A Combative Thompson Sways Voters
MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. — John and Ann Berenberk dutifully watched the umpteenth Republican presidential debate on television on Thursday night and had an epiphany. It was about the candidate they had previously referred to as the tall, silent one. Fred D. Thompson.
The last of the candidates to enter the race, Mr. Thompson, 65, a former Tennessee senator, has so far seemed to distinguish himself mainly by a laconic style that has made him almost invisible beside the others on the stage in past debates, the Berenberks said.
“But then last night — we hadn’t even been thinking about him — all of a sudden it was clear he was the one,” said Mr. Berenberk, a retired teacher. “The bluntness, the forcefulness. He was really impressive.”
Well, I have a long day tomorrow….
Good night; Good luck; and God bless!
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings to all….
Special Blessings — yes — to Regular!!
swallow…if I drank alcohol the way people who are addicted to cigarettes smoke..I’d be dead by now.
I don’t think having a beer or two once in a while is the same as smoking a pack or two a day..do you?
As far as the money that is spent on smoking related illnesses…about 930 million a year is spent in Kansas on medical care for people with diseases caused by smoking (196 million to people on Medicaid) and it’s the #1 killer of people in Kansas.
TOPEKA, Dec. 12 – A respiratory disease linked to smoking is now among the top three causes of death in Kansas.
Chronic lower respiratory disease – a category that includes emphysema, asthma and bronchitis – was the third leading cause of death in Kansas in 2006 behind heart disease and cancer, according to a summary of vital statistics released Wednesday by the Kansas Department of Health and Environment.
The annual report said that 1,498 Kansans died of CLRD in 2006, 13 more than the 1,485 who died from strokes. It marked the first change in the list of top three killers since 1937.
Nationally, CLRD ranks as the fourth leading cause of death, claiming the lives of nearly 122,000 people each year.
Dr. Ghazala Perveen, director of science and surveillance in KDHE’s Office of Health Promotion, said
CLRD and the other leading causes of death share something in common – they are all linked to smoking.
“That makes tobacco use the leading underlying cause of death in Kansas,” Perveen said.
The Kansas Health Policy Authority, in a recent report to legislators, said that smoking causes 4,000 Kansas deaths per year and adds $930 million a year to health care costs, including $196 million to the cost of the Medicaid program, which provides health care to low-income Kansans.
To combat the health toll of tobacco use, the KHPA is urging legislators to impose a statewide public smoking ban and to raise the tax on cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. The proposals – which include a 50-cent increase in the current 79-cent tax on a pack of cigarettes – would raise about $51.9 million a year. In addition to funding a series of proposed health reforms, KHPA officials say a tax increase would prompt 7,800 adults and 15,800 young people to either stop smoking or not start.
Diane Tinker, development director for the American Lung Association of the Central States, said the numbers that document the health and financial cost of smoking should help convince legislators to pass a comprehensive statewide smoking ban.
“We hope they take a look at them and take them to heart” she said.
OK — if 196 million is spent by Medicare on people with smoking related illnesses… how much is spent on all other illnesses?? IOW, what are the percentages??
Since smoking is the number one killer…I’d venture to say that we don’t spend as much treating other illnesses.
Just look at what we’d save if EVERYONE quit smoking…we could put all that money to great use, or cut taxes. Plus, the quality of life would improve for everyone.
How much have you spent on cigarettes the last 12 months Chas? Add it up, I want to know how much the average smoker spends on their habit.
For the record, this is my first and only post on this thread today.
For the record, I have never said anything about anyones sister.
And for the record the ranting bane of the blog kansas Regular and so many nics seriously should consider seeking professional psychological couseling.
Oh abd also for the record?
The only active poster I have ever read as making physical threats of violence up to and including murder is, Regular Kansas etc.
JR…………. you did get earlier that I wasn’t referring to you, ie “the troll”?
I’m not honestly sure, Mary… About a carton per week… depending on brand, about $28 per carton… That help?? My medical expense from my “habit” ??? $0 last year!!
IF all smokers quit, that would be a HUGE loss in taxes collected on tobacco… So, all of that money saved for others, would come from where??
I got that.
And I need to correct. I DID have a post at 11:07
The one at 1:07 while not terrible objectionable, is not from “me”.
JR — Apophis — I suspect that James is in the middle of some kind of crash… I also suspect that he will either disappear, or else will come raging back with a new identity, with a very bad attitude!! I am not sure which…
OK — NOW I am outta here for the night!!
Have a good weekend!!
I SUSPECT that the revelations of his own personal facts here are his own doing.
A desperate attempt to move the editors to take him as sane let alone serious?
HMMMMMMMMMM…….
Tata Motors launches the world’s cheapest car
By Channel NewsAsia’s India Correspondent Nikita Singh | Posted: 12 January 2008 2037 hrs
NEW DELHI : The launch of the world’s cheapest car in India is changing the face of the country’s automobile industry.
Other carmakers are now gearing up to join the race to create a car for the masses.
The much-awaited ‘People’s Car’ from Tata Motors was recently unveiled at the 9th Auto Expo in New Delhi.
A four-door car, the Tata Nano has a 624cc engine and a mileage of 23 km per litre.
Priced at Rs.100,000, or US$2,500, it is the cheapest car in the world.
It is also the realisation of a dream for Tata chairman, Ratan Tata, who has been instrumental in coming up with a car for the masses.
He says: “It’s a car that is affordable, provides transport, meets all safety norms, emission norms – present and future, and will be a reliable form of transport, and will provide Indian families an “all-weather” means of safe transport. It is seen as a car that might change the manner in which one travels in semi-urban and rural areas which is presently not connected in any way.”
And with its launch, the small car segment in India has definitely become hotter.
Existing cars in the category include the Maruti 800, Zen Estilo and Wagon R from Maruti Suzuki, Hyundai’s Santro, Getz and the recently launched i-10, and the Chevrolet Spark.
Carmakers are targeting consumers who want to upgrade to a car at very affordable prices.
Even India’s Bajaj Auto, which manufactures motorcycles and scooters, has come up with a concept for a car that they hope to realise very soon.
I’ll call and thank him. Thanks for posting the number Mary.
Here’s the thing, if you’ve ever watched the John Stossel report on how they do the calculations for smoking illnesses and death, the whole formula is ridiculously absurd. There is certainly a link, but it is not nearly as high for anything as the numbers you hear.
I can guarantee you that if you drank a case of beer a day, you’d be dead far earlier than I would with a pack of smokes a day. But you defend drinking. Even though YOU don’t have a problem with it, it is a bad addiction for others.
And it affects people for real, not make believe.
I’m so sick and tired of people bitching and sin taxing smoking. People who don’t smoke die too…and they link that to smoking in some way or another. No couldn’t be they worked in a coal mine. No couldn’t be that they ate a cheeseburger every day. Nope, it’s smoking. Amazing how that works huh.
OMG this blog has gone psycho. Makes me so sad.
Mary send em the Snopes page that refutes it
Hey XXX,
You might ask the sailors on the USS Cole. I’d say if they didn’t care if they died they would have a good chance.
Chas.,
Doesn’t even make any sense that the earth (or man as a species) is any older than 10,000 years old to me. And I don’t care to argue the point with a non-believer.
cosmos,
I posted Sir Patrick Moore because 1) He was next on the list. 2) I think that if an ecentric, dottering old fart like him can understand that AGW is a scam then anybody can. And of course I saw the ’shobiz’, that makes him more than qualified to comment on Algore!
Hank,
That was very, very rude. Just because Chas doesn’t believe as YOU believe, that does NOT make him a “non-believer.” That’s incredibly disrespectful of Chas’ faith.
Agreed that attack on Chas was over the line. Not nice Hank.
SO even though I have promised to be more understanding of people of faith, you force my hand.
To believe that the Earth is only 10,000 years old flies in the face of so much scientific and anthropological evidence as to make such a believer appear irrational or maybe even crazy.
I think smoking should be allowed in bars at the owners own discretion. No reason to ban it. Its already banned from most public places, fast food places, movie theaters, government buildings, places of learning, might as well let people smoke in bars, if non smokers don’t like it, go to a non smoking bar. If people don’t like working around smoke, then work at a bar or resturant that bans smoking. People should still have choices you know.
annie moose, that car is ugly, but I might buy one, I’m all for utility. Cars are expensive, I’d buy just to have a car thats cheap to buy and repair, and is economical on money and gas.
Troll,
You’ve been posting under your real name and daring people to find out more about you. When they do, you go into instant melt-down???
Get off the blog. Get offline. This is not a healthy place for you. Seriously, dude, you’re going to give yourself a stroke here.
I’m starting to care less on how nice or appealing a car looks, I just drive the damn thing around to get from point a to point b. Keeping up with materialsim get tireing so I’ve been weening myself off it the past decade or so.
Wow!
I’m glad I was in Junction City since early this morning and just got back about an hour ago or so.
Nobody can pin this on me, and I’ve got two witnesses, my wife and daughter.
*****
As much as it pains me to say it, I think JM has a point here. People shouldn’t be posting personal information here if the post-er doesn’t want it.
For my part, although he’ll never believe it, I have never posted any personal information about JM that he himself hadn’t posted previously. If memory serves, I don’t think I even used JM’s full name before he used it himself.
Mocha shouldn’t be asking about names that link to JM, nor should the nic-switch troll have posted that information from another web-site.
I hope The Eagle pulls those posts.
On the other hand, JM would do himself a big favor if he stopped LYING so much. It sets him up for people to try to disprove him.
For instance, he claimed that after his identity was revealed, he received hang-up phone calls.
That prompted me to check the phone book. His number isn’t even listed.
Not only that, there’s about three Linda M******’s.
You can’t pin this on the customary LIB posters, JM. We don’t know who’s doing it.
As long as The Eagle refuses to monitor and pull posts, posters here are totally at the mercy of whatever a troll wants to do to them.
*****
Anyway, I am now on record as condemning this “outing” of JM’s personal information the
WEBLOG the same as I condemned JM when he did it to KSFrmGrrl, Tom and Ken.
Hank Price posted January 12, 2008 at 9:34 pm
“2) I think that if an ecentric, dottering old fart like him can understand that AGW is a scam then anybody can.”
Dear Hank,
Actually, he (and you) fail to understand that the decreasing solar activity does NOT correlate with the last 30+ years of global warming.
Again, here are 11 peer-reviewed studies since 1998, which conclude that solar had little to do with the last 3 decades of warming.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
The two of you are not understanding a “scam” — you’re ignoring science and facts, and denying reality.
J R
Posted January 12, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink
I SUSPECT that the revelations of his own personal facts here are his own doing.
A desperate attempt to move the editors to take him as sane let alone serious?
*****
Yup, that thought crossed my mind too, JR.
Given that just everything JM has ever written from “I’m going to Mississippi” to “I am not now nor ever have been JM” to “I’m quitting the blog forever come Jan 1st” to “I discovered the 1898 eighth grade quiz” to “I worked Christmas Day in high school changing tires (tires?) and got a commendation by the Lt. Gov” to “I was / was not injured in combat” has been unadulterated rubbish, it makes it hard to believe anything he writes, even when it may be true.
Capn,
It’s hard for me to feel any compassion for the troll’s having his (alleged) personal information being posted to the blog. There’s a certain amount of “what comes around” to all this.
With that said: I’ve known the troll’s real name since another poster told it to me back when he was threatening to burglarize my office. Posting people’s personal information just isn’t something I do.
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_mart
funny
I might remind everyone that the troll DID post under his own name. He got what he deserved.
Read about a car that runs off compressed air, and can go 150mi. before refilling with air. Think it also went up to 70 mi. an hr., that would be a good car for many people in the cities.
Ya just found that annie? That’s a couple years old.
Check out “That’s what we call the news” and “This Land” at the same site.
Funny stuff.
And as to trolls.
It is ALSO my suspicion that the particularly nasty one on this blog may have more nics than anyone ever suspected.
WOW link that Phantom. I’d like to read that.
I think we should look into getting all elected officials cars that run on “air” LOL Sounds like it would send them a good message!
Yup, Ken, that’s the problem.
This place is hit-and-run as even JM is finding out . . . the hard way.
People can post anything they want about who they think you are, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
But thanks for setting the record straight.
Chas, As I am looking for a church home could you please tell me what church you are pastor of? I want to avoid nut job ministers and dont want to waste my time visiting your pro abortion the sky is falling church, also from the way you sign off I want a minister who knows who God is.
Personally I think the best non-nutjob church is the Methodist Church.
Freebird, you’re not looking for a church home. Youre looking for a religious dictatorship, where you are told what to think, and when to think it, and where to think it. Try Pat Robertson.
‘Inhofe’s 400 Global Warming Deniers Debunked
List of “Scientists” Includes Economists, Amateurs, TV Weathermen and Industry Hacks’
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/inhofe-global-warming-deniers-47011101
I agree with Sugar. Try Terry Fox. He’s at the Best Western. I’m sure his fire and brimstone will serve you well.
Sugar(aka Chas) how do you know what I’m looking for? Are you clairvoyant?
Mama, Same goes for you.
BTW Mama I’ve heard Terry Fox and he is not a man of God he is a man in it for the money.
And gee I was suspecting no one paid attention to what I said! Heeeee
Free, the point I was making is that Chas is a defender of whatever religious beliefs that you are…he respects those who don’t believe the same as him. Which is the reason for his sign off. People who would have issue with that would be like Terry Fox supporters, who think you must believe as they do. So you might fit right in with them.
You act as if you can’t be Christian and also be pro-choice. Which is utterly false as we know there is no discrepancy. If 80% of America are Christians, then that’s a whole lot of pro-choice Christians.
Or…are you saying that they must believe like you in order to be a christian? If so, I again, steer you to Terry Faux.
OK Pmom, if Christians are pro-choice, then what about the 5th comandment? How do you reconcile the fact that abortion is teh willful act of taking an innocent human life?
I believe that most Christians are “ala cart” Christians…they follow the rules that are easy to follow, but when it comes to hardship or self sacrifice, they quickly justify and rationalze their sinful behaviors.
I’m glad I’m not a Christian…it’s so much easier to not be hypocritical.
When I very young, Catholic teaching and the Baltimore Cathechism expalined that God breathed a soul into you at the moment of birth, for that is when you became a person.This was how they got around failed pregancies and comforting those worried that if their unborn died before they were Baptized, they would go to hell. When did theology change to conception rather than birth?
When they figured out that a fetus is alive from the moment of conception.
Mary caruso
Posted January 13, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink
When they figured out that a fetus is alive from the moment of conception.
—
Really, conception? Or is this your opinion?
Actually, the question isn’t whether a fetus is “alive.”
Of course, it’s alive. Bacteria is alive.
The question is when is it human life, a human life?
That’s the unanswerable question. Even the Supreme Court didn’t answer it–they just ruled that women and their doctors would decide it.
Mary: For ions humans knew something/life as going on and that birth was fraught with dangers and death/stillborn rates high. Infact, that is one of the resons the Catholic Church sanctified the administarton of baptims by the layeity so the newborn could be baptized thus saving it’s freshly aquired soul. It is still the only sacrament that can be dispense without first receiving the sacrament of ordiantion. Wow, I’m back into grade 4 here.
Mary caruso
Posted January 13, 2008 at 9:01 am
“…if Christians are pro-choice, then what about the 5th comandment?”
“I’m glad I’m not a Christian…it’s so much easier to not be hypocritical.”
But Mary, you are hypocritical. You source the 5th commandment, yet you consider the text it comes from to be fiction. Being a person without faith, doesn’t that mean you consider us all soulless pieces of meat?
Does a fetus have a soul?
If not, what’s the difference between slaughtering cattle and killing a fetus?
JR and Mary: The Catholic church is in favor of carrying to birth, though nuns working in the missions are given relief from birth arising from rape. Now by use of the pill, before that “natural” methods. Some friends of mine have left the priesthood for the same reason so few are entering, accepting that bull**** baffles brains. Think who creates dogma in the Church, they are celebates of whom an inordinate number are homosexual. Control over and reduction in validity within the community of a female seems to be a tenet of all religions eminating from the middle East.
Yes Ken after you threatened me in exposing my real life information.
Never happened — prove it
Freebird
Posted January 13, 2008 at 12:49 am | Permalink
Sugar(aka Chas) how do you know what I’m looking for? Are you clairvoyant?
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Freebird appears confused… He/She keeps trying to identify me with Sugar… A real joke!! I have been gone for a good bit of Sunday… And was gone much of Saturday as well. I have no clue where Freebird gets his/her warped ideas about sugar.
You know you’d think since they talked to God the whole time, he’d have told them before then huh?
Yes, we are souless, but we are living meat. Our lives are no more special or supernatural than the life of a cat or a dog, and when we die, we go to the same place we were before we were born.
Ah, but the life, now that’s mysterious and special. I wonder what it really is?
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