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WARSAW, Poland – A Polish man got the shock of his life when he visited a brothel and spotted his wife among the establishment’s employees.

Polish tabloid Super Express said the woman had been making some extra money on the side while telling her husband she worked at a store in a nearby town.

“I was dumbfounded. I thought I was dreaming,” the husband told the newspaper on Wednesday.

The couple, married for 14 years, are now divorcing, the newspaper reported.

Who says you can’t teach an old (dog) new tricks?

Physics Professor Emeritus Dr. Howard Hayden of the University of Connecticut and author of “The Solar Fraud: Why Solar Energy Won’t Run the World,” debunked fears of a man-made climate disaster during a presentation in April.

“You think SUVs are the cause of glaciers shrinking? I don’t think so,” Hayden, who retired after 32 years as a professor, said, according to an April 25, 2007 article in Maine Today. “Don’t believe what you hear out of Hollywood and Washington, D.C.,” Hayden said. According to the article, Hayden argued that “climate history proves that Gore has the relationship between carbon dioxide concentration and global warming backwards. A higher concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, he said, does not cause the Earth to be warmer. Instead,” he said, “a warmer Earth causes the higher carbon dioxide levels.” Hayden explained, “The sun heats up the Earth and the oceans warm up and atmospheric carbon dioxide rises.” According to the article, Hayden “said humans’ contribution to global carbon dioxide levels is virtually negligible.” Hayden is also the editor of a monthly newsletter called “The Energy Advocate.”

http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/news/local/3843474.html

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/01/report-blackwat.html

Report: Blackwater dropped CS gas next to U.S. checkpoint in Baghdad
In May 2005, The New York Times says Blackwater Worldwide used a chemical known as CS gas next to a U.S. military checkpoint because guards were stuck in traffic outside the Green Zone in Baghdad.

“This was decidedly uncool and very, very dangerous,” Army Capt. Kincy Clark wrote later that day, according to the paper. “It’s not a good thing to cause soldiers who are standing guard against car bombs, snipers and suicide bombers to cover their faces, choke, cough and otherwise degrade our awareness.”

The incident illustrates how the standards for private security contractors and military personnel differ in the war zone.

Soldiers aren’t allowed to use the chemical without high-level approval, according to the Times. In this case, Americans assigned to the checkpoint say they believe Blackwater guards released the CS gas from a hovering helicopter and armored vehicle because they were stuck in traffic and wanted to bypass a busy intersection.

“There was no reason for dropping the CS gas. We didn’t hear any gunfire or anything. There was no incident under way,” Staff Sgt. Kenny Mattingly tells the Times.

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More abuses by Bush-Cheney’s Praetorian Guard.

BTW, the Pentagon decided not to pursue an investigation into the repeated gang-rape of a female Blackwater employee.

Big surprise.

:roll:

What Fred Thompson Hasn’t Done

By Chris Davis
Jan 3, 2008

It’s time to wake up, conservatives! It’s time to face the hard truth of the Fred Thompson candidacy for President of the United States, time to take a look at the ugly truth. It’s time to find out just what Fred Thompson hasn’t done as a U.S. Senator from Tennessee.

It has become apparent that Senator Fred Thompson has ignored far too many issues during his years in office. He ignored government surpluses by voting for tax cuts that President Bush signed into legislation. Instead of leaving taxes high, he voted to spur economic growth, and help keep the country from depression after the September 11th attacks.

Senator Thompson even had the nerve in 1999 to vote for the Nickles Amendent, an amendment that called for an across-the-board spending cut. He could’ve voted no, allowing Democrats and big spending Republicans to plummet the Social Security Trust Fund. He didn’t.

FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272618024.shtml

Here’s a new law in Tennessee, which was sponsored by a friend of Fred Thompson.

No more illegal aliens will be employed in TN. Employers can have their business shut-down after the 2nd offense!

Sunday, 12/23/07

Hiring law takes effect Jan. 1
Businesses that knowingly employ illegal immigrants must fire them

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071223/NEWS01/712230386/1006/NEWS

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7522961

As I noted before, if this were due to increasing solar output (top-down) the statosphere would be warming. The opposite is happening.

It’s like my house – the roof is colder than in previous years while the house is warmer. The reason? I improved insulation between the living area and the roof.

F = M x V

I guess that’s why it’s 50 below at 50,000 feet.

Hmmm …

http://www.wunderground.com/education/strato_cooling.asp

Max – while it is true the stratosphere would still be colder than the troposphere it would be warming over time not colling over time. If. that is, the forcer of warming were increased solar output.

Yes, Max. It’s entirely consistent with GW models that the stratosphere would be very cold, just as Ben pointed out.

The radiation from the sun is short-wave–it punches through the atmosphere (just like a cell-phone signal or an x-ray punches through solid matter like walls or tissue).

When it hits something with denser mass like rocks, soil or water, the radiant energy is converted to heat energy.

Heat energy has a long wavelength. Long wavelengths bounce off of things. That’s why ham radio operators use long wavelength radios (a single wavelength can be 80 meters long) to bounce their signals off the ionosphere down to earth and back up again.

Heat energy radiating back into space would be trapped (actually bounced back to earth) by more greenhouse gas.

So the upper atmosphere would actually be colder while the surface temps rose. Less heat is getting to the upper atmosphere. That’s exactly the problem with greenhouse gasses.

How much of the greenhouse gas is water vapour?

Water vapor is a major part of the feedback loop system. Interestingly, water vapor can be either positive or negative (clouds). Both aspects are included in the studies of both past and current climate change.

Not sure why but I could not access the Ron Paul link. However, it does begin to look like he is a kook. That said, however, I would want to be sure the statements are really his.

Sol–

Well, RonP. was elected in Texas after all.

Bush was elected twice there too . . .

Debunked Sol? The article lists excerpts from his newsletters. I’m trusting you haven’t read the article. It’s safe to say that the majority of the people who vote for Ron aren’t readers of his paranoid rants.

Doug,

Try this. Again this is a decade old. If it had merit, why would he have been elected 10 times?

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/125/ron-paul-statement-on-the-new-republic-article-regarding-old-newsletters

Dr. Paul has accepted moral responsibility but he did not write those articles. The link provided explains it.

Sol, the newsletters got back to 1978 and just now he’s thinking the stories about Jewish conspiracies and such are a bad idea? Would have been nice if he did something about it 30 years ago. Not buying it. He was hoping it would stay buried now his past catches up to him.

Interesting that these mysterious writers who work for newsletter’s endorsed and signed by Paul are never named. Surprising how you can write checks out to Ron Paul to get racist materials sent to your home.

As for Martin Luther King Jr. Paul said that day should be renamed “hate whitey day”. Lovely hero you have.

“His stand on national security is non-existent or at best very sketchy.”

But they will actually keep America safe. Safe by not meddling with other governments.

“ He appears to be an isolationist is his trade and defense proposals. “
Can you show me a link that led to your decision? Can you show where his ideas part company with the constitution?

Doug,

One more time. He has been elected to congress 10 times and has run for the presidency once. Again, if this story had legs, why didn’t they surface during ANY of his campaigns and ruin him?

‘Howard Hayden, Energy Advocate’
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1132
“Hayden and CFACT
Hayden sits on the “Board of Academic and Scientific Advisors” of a US think tank called Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT). Also on the board are many other well-known climate change “skeptics,” including Sallie Baliunas, Robert Balling, Sherwood Idso and Patrick Michaels.
ExxonMobil has contributed $472,000 to CFACT over the last 7 years. Founded in 1985, CFACT has been critical of government regulation on many issues, including the o-zone layer, mercury emissions, global warming, toxic waste and the use of pesticides.

Research on climate change
Hayden is a retired professor of physics and has been published in peer-reviewed journals. However, according to a search of 22,000 academic journals, Hayden has not published any research in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of human-induced climate change.”

More at link about Hayden and his newsletter “Energy Advocate”, NRSP, and the ozone layer.

More about CFACT (Howard Hayden) at,
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=25
“CFACT received $710, 000 between 1991 and 2002 from Richard Mellon Scaife controlled foundations, the Carthage Foundation and the Sarah Scaife Foundation.
… Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow has received $542,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.”

cosmos
Posted January 7, 2008 at 2:53 pm

“Credible science is done using peer-review.”

cosmos admits that Ben is not credible because Ben has not done any peer-reviewed science on AGW.

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cosmos admits that AGW computer climate models cannot predict future climate changes because it is too complex.

cosmos
Posted January 8, 2008 at 12:16 am | Permalink

“Climate is too complex for accurate predictions.”

“Which is precisely WHY humans should NOT be altering Earth’s climate, by causing large increases in GHG’s.

If humans could accurately “predict” the climate damage our GHG’s will cause in the future, we could just plan for it, and adapt.”

cosmos admits that science cannot accurately predict the climate change yet he still banters others with false accusations and attacks on credible scientists.

cosmos is not a scientist. cosmos is a paid AGW shill for Al Gore’s multi billion carbon credit trading scam.

Doug,

You still haven’t answered the question.

This became “news” on the day of the NH primary. No time for Dr. Paul to recover.

The MSM has yet to pick up on it.

He has been elected 10 times to congress.

He has run once for president.

During all the above, this story that you are propagating never once damaged Dr. Paul. It was all debunked. So how is it that, as you claim, a racist and anti-homosexual can be elected ten times to congress and run as president without the MSM tearing him apart?

To anyone with the slightest bit of common sense, you begin to see this as slander and fear. Fear that someone might actually break free of the system and stand up for the constitution and the constitution alone.

I will more than gladly debate Dr. Paul’s voting record and policies with you Doug, or anyone else, but as far as this decade old debunked story that you have latched on to, c’mon Doug, let the hate go and talk about something relevant.

So your argument is that it’s not true unless MSM covers it. Yeah, that’s a reasonable argument. Another lousy argument is that it can’t possibly be true because Ron Paul was elected 10 times. How does that follow? Your illogical arguments are bewildering and a sign of your intense desperation to justify your love affair with an intense racist and bigot.

The facts speak for themselves. All the words are culled from Ron Paul’s self-titled newsletters stretching back to 1978. If he didn’t want such garbage printed then it wouldn’t be printed or a retraction would have followed a later edition. No such things happened.

Hank Price posted January 10, 2008 at 8:05 am

“Don’t believe what you hear out of Hollywood and Washington, D.C.,” Hayden said.”

That’s a good idea!

Don’t believe the bunk that Senator Inhofe(R-Exxon) put in his “400(sic) prominent(sic) scientists(sic)” list.

http://www.desmogblog.com/400-prominent-scientists-dispute-global-warming-bunk

Instead, rely on the reports from credible, peer-reviewed scientists, from the IPCC and other sources.

Sol

I posted about the Paul racism yesterday. I agree with Doug on this (shocking!!). Paul’s a racist kook.

Whether he wrote the articles or not is irrelevent. They went out, for YEARS, under his name, and he’s responsible for what goes out in his newsletter. I’d buy his explanation if it was an isolated article or two, but it’s a consistent theme.

And Paul “explanation” doesn’t come near the smell test. That he says didn’t know what was being written in his name shows at best rank incompetency and at worst flat our lying to cover what went out with his knowledge and approval. Saying you take “moral responsibility” ain’t good enough.

No way. Not buying it.

Paul’s chance of winning is zero anyway. Thankfully.

However, Doug, the only person responsible for the racism in Paul’s newsletters is Paul. I’m not buying Paul’s explanation; your smear by association is equally invalid.

Ben,

cosmos has yet to deny that he is not a paid shill for Al Gore. He has had many opportunities to do so.

“James McCluer
Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

Do you see me in jail or being convicted?”

Well, you have never denied it.

I know where BTK is at right now and he is in prison.

Perhaps you are cosmos Ben. It wouldn’t be the first time you plopped up a fake nic to support cosmos. Perhaps you are supporting yourself?

Remember that nic you used telling about the story about the vet in the wheelchair? You told it several times, as Ben and as your other nic that you used to support cosmos in his AGW rants. The stories were identical and in placement of the teller.

Since cosmos refuses to admit his identity or his qualifications and refuses to refute he is not a paid Gore shill, my statement stands.

There is no way to verify a ghost poster like cosmos making claims for the Gore Fortune syndicate on the carbon credit ponzi scheme.

Is cosmos a paid shill for Algore or is he just another scientist sucking off the government teet trying to protect his income? (Which comes in part from me.)

I don’t care if Algores paying him, private matter. But if he’s making a living off of my taxes he has an obligation to disclose that, seeing how much time here having ALL the answers ALL the time.

James – you are real funny today. Hope they don’t have any problem with the blood draw – especially if you hate needles as much as I do!

Ben,

I’m not paid by Al Gore, or anyone, for posting here.

Quite obviously a racist homophobe.

• Protect all voluntary associations; don’t define marriage. (Oct 2007)
• No legislation to counteract the homosexual agenda. (Sep 2007)
• No affirmative action for any group. (Sep 2007)
• No need for Marriage Amendment; DOMA is enough. (Sep 2007)
• First Amendment was written for controversial speech. (Sep 2007)
• Use power of presidency to restore habeas corpus. (Sep 2007)
• Don’t ask, don’t tell is a decent policy for gays in army. (Jun 2007)
• Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)
• Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
• Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
• Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
• Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
• Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
• Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

James M.
“cosmos is not a scientist. cosmos is a paid AGW shill for Al Gore’s multi billion carbon credit trading scam.”

Ben:
“As for your claim that cosmos is paid – can you prove that? If you cannot I hope he sues you for libel.”

JM has always made up stuff. That’s just what he does. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could actually sue him for anything related to his misbehavior on this blog. I see him as a public nusance that has to be tolerated. Like graffiti.

Ben,

Thanks for the points about ‘accurate’ and ‘precise’.

And I usually just ignore James McCluer’s rants and false ad hominems. He just proves that he can’t engage in a rational discussion.

It’s nice having the poster’s name at the top of post — and a scroll wheel on the trackball.

Cosmos

Real “scientific” refutation at that blog link you gave. Plenty of character assasination, no science. I hope you werent counting on that to sway anyone capable of actual thought.

cosmo

I sense some Clintonesque word games here.

Hey Ben,

I’m not happy with John McCain anywhere on the ticket. I like Huckabee as a Baptist minister but I’m becoming more than a little put off by some of the things he seems to stand for.

Together on a ticket I think would be a real loser. In fact I think that either one of them at the top off the ticket would be a loser.

I really believe that the nominee will either be Rudy or Romney. Either one could beat Hillary or Obama in my opinion. We already know too much about Hillary. Obama is a bubble read to burst.

Hank,

What are your thoughts on Mayor Giuliani pulling out of Michigan and apparently putting all (or most) of his eggs in the Florida basket, as reported in one of the items in the linked blog? Also, with regards to Governor Romney, your thoughts on his apparent decision to concentrate on Michigan to the detriment of SC and FL, as was commented on in a link I posted yesterday?

http://www.time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/

Ben, from reading/listening, it seems Mayor Bloomberg and his advisors have been spending quite a bit of time accumulating the data he’s weighing. I think that he’ll not run unless Senator Clinton is the Democratic nominee; just another of those infamous “gut feelings”.

VT – do you have a big gut?

;)

Hey VT,

I think Rudy’s strategy is two-fold, limited funds and can’t win in Michigan. I think Michigan is a winner take all (unlike NH). If Rudy can make a good showing in SC and FL he’ll be in pretty good shape. No sense in wasting money in Michigan.

Romney, on the other hand needs Michigan. If he can’t win his ‘home state’ he’s toast.

cosmos is a shill for the Al Gore carbon credit Ponzi scheme. Gore has went from 1 million dollars in wealth in 2000 to over 100 million dollars by 2007.

How? By selling the dubious carbon credits. One can buy land in Costa Rica and then spew all the co2 they want in the United States. If that isn’t a scam, I don’t know what is.

cosmos has admitted that computer climate models cannot predict the future of climate change.

cosmos has stated many times that anyone who is not a Climatologist does not have credibility. cosmos thinks that Ben does not have credibility on climate change.

cosmos is not even a scientist. cosmos has zero credibility.

So what do you do in the private sector cosmos?

Sell carbon credits?

Changing the subject:

Will foreclosures spark an arson boom?
As homeowners get more desperate, the insurance industry is bracing for an increase in arson.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/09/news/economy/birger_arson.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008011013

The other part that will really add to the mess is that abandoned homes make great crack houses or meth labs.

Hey cosmos,

I’m an old guy, I beleive in little, I have faith in a lot.

In my life I’ve survived the looming ‘over population of the earth’ crises. I’ve lived through the ‘coming ice age’ disaster. I’ve fished the Great Bear Lake years after it was suppose to be destroyed by ‘acid rain’. I’ve been depth charged off the coast of. . . oops, sorry different story! I’ve seen the great ‘we’re-all-going-to-die-because-of-the-out-of-control-ozone-hole-growth’ problem shrink away.

Now, when I feed my horses at 6:30 in the morning and the ol’ north wind is blowing 20 degrees and 40 knots; my old joints are stiff; it’s so cold my mustache hairs hurt; I think of the old gloom and doom IPCC report’s prediction of 1 degree celcius temperature rise by 2099 and I think, “Is that all?” and “That long?”

I am merely trying to bring the other side of the debate to the BLOG to offer a little balance to the GW alarmists nuts.

Hey Hank; do you remember how that ozone hole was brought under control?

If you believe that carbon emissions are causing global warming, there is a new ETF for you. This ETF essentially tracks the price of carbon credits based on fluctuating weather data. The more evidence there is that indicates that emissions are causing global destruction, the more expensive these credits will become.

If you believe the CO2 induced GW is a bunch of green smoke, you can short it. Let’s see who wins!

UBS Investment Bank has launched the UBS Greenhouse Index (UBS-GHI) , the first tradable investment benchmark tracking the Greenhouse Effect.

http://www.energyrisk.com/public/showPage.html?page=665507

Check out the first joke on this Snopes page. It looks like Sol’s joke is a recycled version of the original which was aimed at Bill Clinton.

http://www.snopes.com/humor/question/requests.asp

Interesting story, Ben. Arson is the dumbest of crimes. They are almost always correctly identified as arsons. The science guiding those investigations is very strong. If you set your property on fire, you can count on getting caught. One of the many reasons for not committing arson.

Steven – an interesting twist. What happens if the house is just left open and THEN burned – perhaps by a meth lab? Could the absentee owner collect?

Ben, general comments on your hypothetical to Steven. While all insurance issues depend upon the policy contract, I think that the insurance company would take the position that the residence had been abandoned, there was no one living there, and thus, would deny coverage. Alternatively, the insurance company likely would deny coverage due to the house being “left open”. Don’t know how accurate my comments are, but these are my thoughts.

kfg,

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bigger waste of resources and time than the ethanol industry.

In a few years when Chapter 11s hit these companies on their ethanol production, they will left with nothing but empty wallets and dry wells.

Hank Price posted January 10, 2008 at 3:23 pm

“I’ve lived through the ‘coming ice age’ disaster.”

Dear Hank,

NO… you were confused by hype from journalists. Scientists in the mid-1970’s did not know what the climate was doing.

‘Was an imminent Ice Age predicted in the ’70’s? No‘
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/

But the unusual weather back then did cause people to realize how important climate is to our life on Earth.

Governments worldwide funded large amounts of climate research to find the answers.

Ironically, Hank now doesn’t believe three decades of intense, careful climate science, because he was confused in the 1970’s.

Yeah, Ben, I fully expect to see a lot of this. Forgot to post this earlier. If the mortgage company knows the property is abandoned, which may or may not be true, then it would insure it AND secure it due to the risk. The cost of the insurance and securing the property would then be added to the expenses for which the borrower is liable upon foreclosure.

Sorry for the double post; I tried something to edit the earlier in the latter, and for my troubles, there are two somewhat different but essentially similar posts.

A good timeline, with lots of info, including the 1970’s.

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
“Here are gathered in chronological sequence the most important events in the history of climate change science.”

The ‘home’ page also is informative.

Sorry for all the typo errors, can’t get the blood sugar down, it’s at 300 and I’m feeling really poorly.

You can purchase Regular insulin without a script. It would probably be smarter to consult with your doctor on getting the glucose level down.

http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/277249.html

Vacant home burns

Hank Price posted January 10, 2008 at 3:23 pm

“I think of the old gloom and doom IPCC report’s prediction of 1 degree celcius temperature rise by 2099 and I think, “Is that all?” and “That long?” ”

Dear Hank,

Where did you get that “prediction” of “1 degree” C.?

For IPCC’s low scenario B1, best estimate = 1.8 C, likely range = 1.1 – 2.9

High scenario A1FI, best estimate = 4.0 C, likely range = 2.4 – 6.4

And those are global averages — temperatures at upper nothern latitudes will be higher.

Figure SPM.6. in summary has graphs of world temperature maps,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm

Hank – that would be a negative feedback loop. The positive feedback loop goes: hotter, more air conditioning, more coal burned, more CO2.

Bigger positive feedback loops: rainfall pattern changes, vegetation failure, reduced photosynthesis, more CO2. Warmer oceans, less primary productivity by phytoplankton, more CO2. Hotter, drier soils, soil carbon oxidation, more CO2.

Regular,
Of course it is none of my business, but I am wondering if your lab work involved taking one of those glucose challenge tests to see if you have diabetes? If so, the high glocose would not be as big a worry. Chronic sugars that high can be a problem – you were in the capillary damage range – if that goes on too long, functions requiring blood flow can be impaired – some of which can be more of a problem than others – with your apparent obsession with male genitalia, you surely know what I am alluding to.

Thanks for caring Steven Davis and my genitalia are just fine.

Yes, I have diabetes. I think it was a couple reasons my blood sugar shot up. I had gotten a flu shot and I had a shoulder injury when I tried to one hand a ice melt mag into the car trunk.

This is the Global Warming topic right?

Did anyone explain Water Vapour today? What percentage of total greenhouse gases is water vapour?

Any answers?

Y’all keep complaining about greenhouse gases, yet know one seems to know about water vapour, which is defined as a greenhouse gas, and what percentage overall of all terrible greenhouse gases is water vapour?

crickets

crickets

chirping

chirping

no answers

no answers

That’s why are just now setting up the Satellite cloud study program.

Scientists just don’t know how clouds,water vapor actually interact with the climate.

What cosmos said was b.s.

Scientists have many, many unanswered questions.

regular – I seem to recall a recommended diet for diabetes similar to its eveil twin hypoglycemia – lots of proteins and fats. Also something about ‘complex carbohydrates’ but I’m not really sure. As best I could figure out that is mostly for type 2.

I missed your 11:05 post. The role of CO2 is to absorb IR radiation. It is very effective at that. Methane even more so. Thus my house analogy – the warming is caused by keeping the heat in. I could recommend some good basic climatology texts and also a VERY good biogeochemical cycling text.

Max – the role of H2O – both positive (vapor) and negative (clouds) was touched on above. The thing about H2O is that its equilibrium is reached much more quickly. A piece of that – warmer water, higher vapor pressure, more evapotranspiration, more water vapor in the air, more IR absorption, more warming.

Regular – I can sympathize with the shoulder – I did a ’stupid human trick’ on the ice a couple weeks ago. Still hurts.

I’m surprised Ben that you do not see that one of the basic laws of science requires that heat occurs first before gases expand.

Do you mean PV=nRT? I am very aware of that. I taught it to freshmen; we usually avoided the more precise versions at that level. So, what does that have to do with anything.

“I don’t consider my a scientist because I don’t do research.”

So basically what you are saying, McCluer, is that neither you nor Cosmos is an expert, but both of you are concerned citizens that have an interest in global climate change.

So why not extend to Cosmos the same respect that you demand for yourself, rather than constantly attacking him?

Just curious.

Well made points at 8:35 pm post Ben.

Yes regular is better, it keeps the immature posters at bay.

I can’t have grape nuts, too many complex carbohydrates. :)

Well, a couple of teaspoons maybe.

As far as cosmos goes, I understand his promotion of the science, but disagree strongly with his agenda. There was a good reason that President Clinton, Vice President Gore and 95 members of the Congress in 1997 didn’t ratify the Kyoto treaty.

As far as believing in Climate Change, yes it is happening. What I don’t think is necessary is the corporate blackmail that is going on with the carbon credits and scare tactics by the greens.

Where I find the applications incorrect is making assessment into policies that drives some countries economies. This is all before the science is completed.

It’s more important for Europe than the U.S. If you ever been to Europe, you know what I mean by the amount of people crammed into small spaces.
i.e. concentrated plumes of pollutants and particles.

Not what I’m saying at all clarkie.

cosmos total disrespect for scientists and his assassination jobs on them is beyond distasteful, it spoils his whole argument. It is purely ad hominem.

cosmos claims the science is settled, when it is not or all research would halt tomorrow.

The temperature ranges that cosmos gives are from computerized climate models.

All scientists that work with the IPCC and even cosmos has stated that the climate models are flawed as they are incomplete with data and cannot accurately predict future climate change.

Yet, what happens is that cosmos creates his scare stories from these ccm’s that have incomplete data and run flawed scenarios.

To overcome this, the IPCC pulls a trick and runs averages of models. It’s like taking a handful of marbles throwing it at a target and hoping one can hit the bullseye, yet in reality you get 31 different results. However, when you publish that information to the public you claim the ccm’s hit the bullseye, when everyone knows that is absolutely false.

“cosmos total disrespect for scientists and his assassination jobs on them is beyond distasteful, it spoils his whole argument. It is purely ad hominem.”

Wow, it’s true. And to think that two days ago I gave it soup (only a little bit, fortunately).

Re: Regular
DNFTT

As far as scientists working for Oil or other industries of that ilk. I find nothing wrong with it.

My favorite geology teacher in college worked for an oil exploration company. He was a very good PhD geologist that knew his subject extremely well.

I consider cosmos one of the most valuable posters we have. Well informed and well versed in the subject.

“I would ask, Mr. McCluer, that you extend to Cosmos the same level of respect that you demand for yourself.

“And I do not believe that it is too much to ask.”

Rev. Clark, with all due respect, that’s not what he wants. Hypocrisy and deliberate violations of rules that a poster claims for himself by himself is is a classic and effective trick in trolling.

What he wants is what you are giving him.

A response. A reaction. In his case, he wants you to point out the inconsistencies in his behavior and his arguments.

Re: Regular/James McCluer/Kansas/KHAN/JM/etc.

DNFTT

Unfortunately, I have little hope this will actually happen.

“This is the guy you are defending?”

Let’s see….. with your very first post addressed to me you called me “Heebie” in reference to my partial Semite heritage…………..

And you question the language that others use?

I respectfully request that you extend to others the same level of respect that you demand for yourself.

“As usual, ksagnostic adds nothing to the conversation but disruptive and unsound advice.”

Translation:

“Take the baaaaaaaaait. Pleeeeeeese pleeeeeeeese take the baaaaaaaaaait! Taaaaaaaaaaaake it pleeeeeeeeese! Notice meeeeeeeeee!”

Re: Regular/James McCluer/Kansas/KHAN/JM/Cousin It/etc.

DNFTDT

G’bye.

Well, in all fairness, I’ve called cosmos a nitwit in the past. I kinda have a new year’s resolution to try and be more civil on the BLOG this year. (sorry cosmos for calling you names, I do respect your passion)

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

A usual Lib tactic to dog pile is classically displayed here.

Which indicates to me, none of them individually are capable of organizing, delivering and effectively defending their argument based on facts.

So, they attack the person like ksagnostic and etc.

“Ok clarkie, now you are switching arguments – your usual tactic.”

Well, I will try one more time.

This is not a change in argument, merely an extension of the same.

And kindly refer to me as Clark or William, my given names.

And, by the way, William Stephenson Clark is my real name and I have the birth certificate to prove it.

So, rather than project on me your attitude, kindly consider what I have requested, one last time………… that is: extend to others the same level of respect that you demand for yourself.

Those Repub. Govs are just like bush, sure know how to borrow and spend, and gloss over the problem until a dem can come in and fix it!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_re_us/california_budget

Okay James, show the same respect to others as you want for yourself.

Kansas posted August 25, 2007 at 9:54 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/why-do-people-s/#comment-197994
“Then Gavin Schmidt is a fraudulent scientist, because he only picked on portion of the paper to try and discredit.

He provided no concrete proof or disproof, just rhetoric (bunkum.)

That’s what is called a quack. You can tell him I said that as well.”

Well, as a life long republican, I just finished watching the republican debate on Fox.

After two hours, I have to admit, there is not one leader amongst the nitwits running for president on the republican side.

Oh some made points on some of the questions and some lost points.

But not one single leader in the pack.

I’m reminded of the toys on the island of lost toys on the Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer show,

“Why am I such a misfit……….”

You can answer a question with passion, truth, and sincerity. But not one of them has charisma, boldness, confidence, or resolution. Romney came close on one answer to one question.

But the smirking at the “lesser” candidates blew any points he may have had. I HATE someone who thinks they are superior.

Waiting for the thread…….

We would need the opinion of an attorney who specializes in libel/slander, but I wonder if it’s even possible to libel someone who posts anonymously…

should read “who is the head of

DeSmogBlog team is led by James Hoggan, founder of James Hoggan & Associates, one of Canada’s leading public relations firms.”[1]

According to his DeSmogBlog website, James Hoggan is the president of the public relations firm James Hoggan & Associates. … Mr. Hoggan is Chair of the David Suzuki Foundation, an executive member of the Urban Development Institute and Future Generations and a Trustee of the Dalai Lama Centre for Peace and Education.:roll: He helped establish the Suzuki Foundation Business Council on Sustainability to encourage collaboration between the environmental and business communities. Jim’s interest in climate change and his commitment to practicing ethical public relations converged recently in the creation of the popular website DeSmogBlog. The blog exists to identify unethical PR tactics and to expose the PR people who are trying to confuse the public about climate change.”

And now research the science credentials of the newspaper ‘Maine Today’, where Dr Hayden published(sic) his climate science(sic).

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-110/#comment-270974

Hank Price posted January 10, 2008 at 8:05 am

“According to the [newspaper] article, Hayden argued that “climate history proves that Gore has the relationship between carbon dioxide concentration and global warming backwards.”

Hayden “publishes”(sic) his climate “opinions” in a small newspaper, Maine Today, instead of in credible, peer-reviewed science journals.

Hayden is wrong, Gore does not have it “backwards”.

‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2
“Second, the idea that there might be a lag of CO2 concentrations behind temperature change (during glacial-interglacial climate changes) is hardly new to the climate science community. Indeed, Claude Lorius, Jim Hansen and others essentially predicted this finding fully 17 years ago, in a landmark paper that addressed the cause of temperature change observed in Antarctic ice core records, well before the data showed that CO2 might lag temperature. In that paper (Lorius et al., 1990), they say that:

changes in the CO2 and CH4 content have played a significant part in the glacial-interglacial climate changes by amplifying, together with the growth and decay of the Northern Hemisphere ice sheets, the relatively weak orbital forcing”

So two of the main Websites that cosmos gives scientific credit to have deep roots in Anti-Bush, extreme left organizations like Moveon.org.

In addition, realclimate.org will edit out any posts that do not agree with their positions.

Betsy Ensley is particularly interesting as she has direct ties to Al Gore as she was once his media communications director.

The more you dig into cosmos’s referenced sites, the more you find how politically motivated they are.

There is no objective science discussed on these blogs, only one-sided preaching.

cosmos
Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Hayden is wrong, Gore does not have it “backwards”.

I would put Dr. Hayden’s scientific credentials as head and shoulders above Al Gore’s scientific credentials.

I doubt seriously if Al Gore could even pass a basic college Physics class, less challenge a scientist who has a PhD in physics.

Ben PhD LG posted January 9, 2008 at 4:49 pm |
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-19-2/#comment-270576
“That is correct cosmos. The orbital changes are quite subtle – it is the feedback that makes it work. In today’s case the trigger is actually much larger than in Milankovitch.

It’s not just ocean CO2 but also teresstrial CO2. Increase spodisols and histosols (soils that contain a lot of carbon) and decrease CO2. Convert them to aridisols (release the carbon) and increase CO2.

Vegetation pattern changes also play a role.”

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‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2

The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’ cosmos
Posted January 11, 2008 at 12:02 am

That would be correct if co2 was the only thing that affected climate change.

However, co2 does not exist by itself.

There are hundreds of scientifically based theories that are known to affect temperature and climate change.

Putting your chips on one gas is risky and naive.

James McCluer also posting as “regular”

Do you own stock in the fossil fuels industries?

Or you could answer the question.

“According to the ['Maine Today' newspaper] article, Hayden argued that “climate history proves that Gore has the relationship between carbon dioxide concentration and global warming backwards.”

‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2

Regular posted January 11, 2008 at 12:08 am
“The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’ cosmos
Posted January 11, 2008 at 12:02 am

That would be correct if co2 was the only thing that affected climate change.”

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“According to the [’Maine Today’ newspaper] article, Hayden argued that “climate history proves that Gore has the relationship between carbon dioxide concentration and global warming backwards.”

‘The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2