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Nah Nah Nah Nah Hey Hey Hey, see ya Guiliani! I can hardly wait until you nominate McCain, those illegals could use an amnesty break. You guys work them too hard.

Florida’s Geritol Politics…yeah!!!

UBS announces 4 bil. subprime losses, few bil. here and a few bil. there, adds up to real money eventually. But that never phased bush.

I think the blog is broken.

Everyone sleeping in?

teste, teste, 123…

Where is everybody? Sleeping in this morning?

Sad news for many Dems. John Edwards is dropping out. Shouldn’t Rudy be doing the same?

Bush Administration’s Solicitor General Angers Pro-Gun Lobby by Asking Supreme Court to Send D.C. Handgun Ban Case Back to the Appellate Level
The Bush administration, through its Solicitor General, is asking the Supreme Court to send the D.C. handgun case back to the D.C. Appellate Court.

For a bit of history and context, a three-judge panel of the D.C. Appellate Court, led by arch-conservative Judge Laurence Silberman, overturned a D.C. ban on handguns. The District of Columbia appealed the case to the Supreme Court, which agreed to hear it.

Okay, this where it gets a bit complicated.

According to a Washington Post article on Jan. 20th:

The government’s brief, filed by U.S. Solicitor General Paul D. Clement just hours before the court’s deadline Jan. 11, endorses the view that the Second Amendment conveys an individual right to gun ownership, a finding long sought by gun rights activists.

But it also said an appeals court used the wrong standard when it struck down the District’s ban on private handgun ownership, and it urged the Supreme Court to return the case to the lower court for review.

It’s the second sentence that is the bombshell.

In short, the Bush administration and the Department of Justice are concerned that the Appellate Court went too far in implying that anything a judge determined to be classified as “arms” would become legal. Not to mention that criminal defendants in felony cases might start claiming a “Second Amendment right” to pack heat. Might some judge decide that the Second Amendment, given the Silberman Appellate panel precedent, give individuals a right to buy and own machine guns? Or what about domestic abusers?

Clearly, these must have been some of the questions that gave the Department of Justice pause when it basically requested that the Supreme Court not rule on a broad application of so-called “Second Amendment rights.”

According to the Washington Post, this has angered conservative and pro-gun groups who aren’t sufficiently happy that the U.S. is the most well-armed country in the world in terms of our civilian population.

But legal precedent, a concern for keeping violent offenders away from guns, and common sense may have prevailed, for the moment:

“The Department prosecutes thousands of defendants for firearms violations every year,” the brief said. “In opposing Second Amendment challenges to those prosecutions, the government contended for more than 60 years that the Second Amendment did not protect an individual right to keep and bear arms for purposes unrelated to participation in a well-regulated militia.”

Soon after Bush took office, then-Attorney General John D. Ashcroft changed the department’s official view to recognize individual rights. But the department until now had not faced a situation in which an appeals court used such a right to strike a gun-control measure.

That is when, [a law professor] speculates, the “sober second thoughts of practicing lawyers” took over.

Clement plays dual roles — to represent the position of the Bush administration before the court but also to defend the laws passed by Congress. His brief said federal gun-control laws could be endangered by the decision that struck D.C.’s law.

We reject the notion that there is an individual “right” to keep and bear arms.

But for the sake of argument, even if one argues – as the Bush administration still does that there is an individual right to keep and bear arms – it is not an absolute right.

That’s some comfort to communities already awash in a sea of guns and gun violence. Not to mention the threat posed by terrorists having a “Second Amendment Right” to buy whatever “arms” they wish.

Gun proponents are livid and believe that the Bush administration just sold them out. But the truth is that if the Supreme Court upholds the Appellate Court’s decision and takes away the D.C. handgun ban, then the Justice Department would be overloaded from every gun nut seeking to overturn every conviction relating to guns and challenge every gun law on the books.

Does a U.S. Attorney or Justice Department lawyer really want to spend his or her time debating whether a gun nut should be allowed to bring a gun onto a civilian airplane? Probably not, and a misguided ruling from the Supreme Court just might have that effect.

The Justice Department would have to shift enormous resources fighting gun proponents over the ideological debate of the Second Amendment versus fighting terrorism.

When you put it that way, it definitely throws a wrench into the gun lobby’s radical agenda.

Bye bye Ghouliani.

This guy would vote for Mc Romney

Thanx for you help Nick

Giuliani Quits — Thank You Dr. Paul!

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Rudy Giuliani drops out of Republican presidential race because of Ron Paul
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by Jeff Wrobel
(Libertarian)

Last summer things looked pretty good for Rudy Giuliani. He was well ahead of the neo-con pack. Fred Thompson came into the race and produced a challenge for a while, but after the shine wore off of him, Rudy regained the lead. About 1/3 of Republicans favored Rudy throughout the summer and well into the fall (so to speak).

…

But an analysis of his poll numbers tells a different story of Rudy’s fall. His decline started well before the first ballot was cast in Iowa in January. The last time he had 1/3 of the vote in any national poll was in early November. His numbers have gradually declined since then. These are national polls, so his decline had virtually nothing to do with his campaigning or not campaigning in Iowa or New Hampshire.

What really happened to Giuliani was Ron Paul. The beginning of the end for Giuliani was his arrogant smack-down of Ron Paul in the first debate, twisting Paul’s words into “We deserved 9/11.” Despite mob-like cheering from the neo-cons, Paul’s reasoned, informed explanation of blowback placed more than a hint of doubt in the public’s mind about the ability of Rudy to see subtlety in foreign relations. As the campaign has continued, Ron Paul has grabbed every opportunity afforded him to shout to the world the folly of the current Republican way as epitomized by Giuliani.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article1540.html

An interesting article on recycled water, and why we NEED it. I think this was proposed in your neck of the woods a few years ago. It doesnt sound much different than recharging the aquifer that is being proposed now.

http://www.slate.com/id/2182758?GT1=10837

Farmie,

Check this out… A fuel source that does not consume water, but rather treats it to make it potable…

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=47237

An issue I raised a while back:

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourHome/InsureYourHomeDyn.aspx?cp-documentid=6085758&GT1=10828

Broke homeowners linked to arsons

Authorities in economically stressed cities see an increase in torched houses. Is the nation’s mortgage mess transforming more Americans into criminals?

“Is the nation’s mortgage mess transforming more Americans into criminals”

Naaawwww.

I think they are just taking their cues from the bush crime family, cheney, and the preznit.

If you cant own it, rather than give it up, burn it down. And besides, THEY dont heed no stinkin’ laws, why should the rest of us?

CF2K’s delight at the undoing of Ghouliani (best description on the internets: a cross-dressing charlatan with the ethics of a reptile) is tempered by his distress at the withdrawal of John Edwards.

Folks are saying it has something to do with Elizabeth’s health, and while I sincerely hope that isn’t true, it sounds plausible.

Hillary vs. Obama = would-be “centrist” vs. would-be “centrist.” Tuesday’s caucus will be MIGHY interesting.

ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 30, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

What I find ironic about the “yuck” factor is, do people really think that there is no waste in sea water. Where do they think shark poop goes? Or all those cruise ships sewage?

Edwards pulling out will definitely help one of the other candidates, I’m just trying to figure out which one. It seems to me that most Edwards supporters would be more likely to have as their second choice Obama. Would an Edwards supporter (or two) like to comment?

Edwards was the more radical and tougher candidate, at least talking, I think most will fall to Clinton as second choice.

I was going to caucus for Edwards.

Now I will caucus for Senator Clinton.

If Obama thinks Republicans are the party of ideas and wants so much to work with Republicans, he should have run as a Republican. I CANNOT vote for him given his previous remarks.

The cons have the same situation and worse. MANY of them hate their new front runner McCain.

It it is McCain vs. Obama, it will kill turnout on both sides.

Ben, I think stagflation is becoming more of a real probability as time moves on, which, to me, argues against another rate cut. FWIW.

TDT, On some days I was an Edwards supporter.

lol

I have not been able to “settle” on one since Richardson dropped out of the race. All I know for sure is I won’t be disappointed as all are good candidates. It’s good to be a Democrat!

I’m planning to be at my FIRST-TIME EVER caucus next Tuesday. I’m looking forward to seeing what goes on and how the process works.

I sure hope Edwards isn’t dropping out due to Elizabeth’s health.

To caucus all you have to do is show up before 7 right?

Newman U

See this photo?

http://www.kansas.com/514/story/293099.html

McCain needs some Sunshine or a Tanning Booth, big time!

He’s as pale as a corpse.

No Ben, you need to go to the Segdwick county court house Jury room.

Don’t be late! :D

And check out this photo of McCain…

‘Should We Still Trust John McCain on Global Warming?”
http://www.desmogblog.com/should-we-still-trust-john-mccain-on-global-warming

Looks like things are cooling down in the middle east:

JERUSALEM (AP) — A heavy overnight snowstorm blanketed Jerusalem and other parts of the Holy Land in white on Wednesday, closing schools and stores and grounding public transportation.

The sense of excitement among Israelis, used to warm Middle Eastern weather, was palpable.
CNN

Screwed that first link up

JERUSALEM (AP) — A heavy overnight snowstorm blanketed Jerusalem and other parts of the Holy Land in white on Wednesday, closing schools and stores and grounding public transportation.

That damn global warming !!!!

To Regular and other RePUKES, giving false information about one’s sacred right to vote is funny.

For those who take it a little more seriously, here’s where you can find your Democratic caucus location:

http://www.ksdp.org/supertuesday

Remember, you can register as a Democrat if you haven’t done so already AT YOUR CAUCUS SITE.

Also, bear in mind that the lines are “locked” promptly at seven p.m., so if you’re late, you won’t be able to take part.

“For those who take it a little more seriously”

Hey Max! It only takes minutes to register on site to vote Feb 5th.. Had to change my party affiliation in order to participate.

Will have to stomach a room full of libs, but it is worth the effort to get the right candidate considered.

Yup AmWay, it will be very important for McCain to choose a good VP running mate for sure.

Some thought Reagan was too old, well, McCain will be 2 years older then Reagan was when Reagan took office.

As for the voting thing AmWay, I got it figured out.

I’m registered in 3 counties now. I’ve lived in 3 counties over the last 20 years, and recently I discovered my registration is still valid in all 3 counties!

I may vote twice in the Dem primary and once in the Repub primary or vice versa. Haven’t made up my minds yet.

So when they count registered voters, no wonder we always have “low” turnout. The half of registered voters that don’t vote are probably dead or they have moved!

SolDevVB
Posted January 30, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
JERUSALEM (AP) — A heavy overnight snowstorm blanketed Jerusalem and other parts of the Holy Land in white on Wednesday, closing schools and stores and grounding public transportation.

That damn global warming !!!!

Yep, what would Jesus wear for shoes?

AmWay, I think McCain has swollen lymph nodes, not marbles.

That could indicate lymphoma or some infection.

As for another voting tactic, one might vote absentee on behalf of say a step-parent who lives in Arizona in the winter months.

If you know that step-parent always votes one way, then by voting another way, you actually see a 2-vote impact. One vote given, and another taken away!

Max you bring up an excellent point. All these seniors snowbird in points south.

Do you suppose they fill out an absentee ballot up north, and physically vote in the bermuda shorts and hawaiian hawaian shirts down south?

Man I can’t wait until all 77 million of us get
there. We are gonna do some voting!

Yep, it takes a lot of weather to make a climate.
Seems to be getting well “colder”,
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Get the snowplows ready for tomorrow too.

Cosmos,
How many kilowatt hours did you use in January? What kind of mileage does your care get? Does your place of employ use geothermal heat?

Some people just like to preach it…

Amway – Who would that candidate be?

Huh, simple questions really. How much does cosmos REALLY care? Is s/he using a bio diesel vehicle? Does s/he use only solar/wind generated electricity? Recycle water? Refuse to work for an environmentally friendly company?

Does s/he practice ANY of what s/he preaches? Or just waste white space?

American Way
Posted January 30, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink
Max you bring up an excellent point. All these seniors snowbird in points south.

Do you suppose they fill out an absentee ballot up north, and physically vote in the bermuda shorts and hawaiian hawaian shirts down south?

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Oh AmWay, I’m SURE that NEVER happens!

There are laws against this you know. And all of these laws are so diligently enforced. You know the government has strict controls in place to prevent voter fraud.

Well, the Fed dropped another .5 point. That’s 1.25 in 8 days.

Gonna buy gold?

Buy tomorrows Wall Street Journal and see thisa>

If it matters.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080130/us_nm/usa_economy_immigrants_dc

Immigrants hit hard by U.S. slowdown and subprime crisis

“And almost half of the mortgage loans in the hands of Hispanics are subprime, making them especially vulnerable to the housing downturn.”

“Illegal immigrants were able to buy U.S. homes during the boom years, either by showing evidence that they pay taxes or by simply presenting false documents.

Many of them took out high interest fixed-rate loans or subprime mortgages with a low entry rate that later rose sharply. Experts say language difficulties made them more vulnerable to being offered, and taking, bad deals.”

These paragraphs are just excerpts, and I hate to say this, but I really have a hard time feeling bad about illegal immigrants coming here, fraudulently buying homes at subprime rates, and being partially responsible then for this mess. They are here illegally buying houses illegally, but it is Americans that will be cleaning up this mess for years to come.

I find it hard to believe that no one has posted in the last 10 minutes.

I asked first cosmos. If GW is manmade, what have you personally done to eliminate your own foot print?

Judge Charles Andrews too release the info about Casinos and the Cosnstitutionality of them the same day Morrison leaves Office. Odd or what??? Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com I asked for a Law Firm to look at a Qui Tam filing with me. I will keep you posted. Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com

Surely you are off the power grid right cosmos? Don’t y’all use coal fired power plants? You can’t possibly support that by sending them a check every month. That would make you a financial contributor to global warming. Surely you wouldn’t do that right?

Chas,
Really? Asking someone if they practice what they preach is a straw man? Go back to sleep brother.

And BTW Chas,

If you too feel like GW is caused by man, what exactly have you done to eliminate your foot print?

Shocking revelations here (yeah, right):

http://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2008/01/commission-conf.html

SolDevVB,

Okay, so you prefer to use ad hominems, in a futile attempt to refute the peer-reviewed scientific consensus on AGW.

There were many revelations about the Warren Commission Report too.

Shocking revelations.

And many books were sold that detailed the shocking revelations.

So where’s the evidence? Where’s the trial and conviction?

Not there.

But many books were sold.

I’m truly sorry to see Edwards bow out. My support will go to Obama. Hillary is just too….Republican for my taste. :)

Now to figure out where I should go to caucus…

Right Max – And the earth is flat, and the moon is made of green cheese

I drive a high mpg vehicle… Avg. 45 mpg

Why not bio diesel or electric chas?

I have a high energy eficient furnace in my main residence
I use low thermostaat settings in the Winter, and higher ones in the Summer

Why not geothermal Chas?

I use high efficiency, low wattage light bulbs

Now what is it that you do to offset my eforts??
WTF are you talking about??? What does that even mean?

And unless you are asking the question for something other than argumentative, it really is just a straw man!! LOL

Hypocrisy gets an LOL from chas. No really brother, go back to sleep.

Chas you had better ck out the fuel used by your train. The fact that fewer people go the same distance you might be surprised to learn that your footprint isn’t reduced. What car is that you use to get this great milage?

Yet when you look at the solutions to the so called problem, that is when you will see that things simply do not add up.

Or that the loudest proponents really don’t practice what they preach. Hmmmm.

Nathan, what they cannot get the people do voluntarily do – the legislate. When they cannot get the legislature to enforce GW, its off to the courts.

Bad enough they forced me to only use a one gallon flush toilet and a flow restricted shower head.

I was really stinking up the house – until I figured out how to break out the flow restricter!

Now if only I could figure out the toilet tank problem……………..

The Proponents of the Global Warming scare won’t bother to deal with the common sense questions.

They simply tout that they are peer reviewed scientists and how dare you question them!

Look at what Cosmos does here daily.

He tries to assissinate the character of anyone that has disagreed with the consensus.

He seeks to discredit anyone who doesn’t agree with the consensus.

You can’t engage them in a discussion without that.

The louder they scream and the more they push that it is going to be too late, real soon, the more I realize how full of crap they are.

“Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue with that; I’m right and I will be proved right. We’re more popular than Jesus now; I don’t know which will go first – rock ‘n’ roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It’s them twisting it that ruins it for me.”
. . . John Lennon, 1966, who is still dead
. . .
Israel is to apologize formally to the surviving members of the Beatles for canceling a 1965 concert by the band.
Well, what would musicians more popular than Christ need with impressionable young Israelis attending their performances?

HYPOCRISY!!! THY NAME IS COSMOS !!!!!!

sol YOU’RE NUCKING FUTS!! Everything I listed is “GREEN” But it doesnt meet your little small minded idea…

I travel too many miles for an electric car…

Bio Diesel is not yet feasible, but I do like the concept…

The water table where I live is only 15 ft. under the ground… Geo thermal is NOT possible… Of course I am on the power grid, you ridiculous IDIOT… That isnt a requirement… I just use LESS than others…

And KsGrm, if you dont know how much fuel is saved PER PERSON by using trains, then lady, you are just plain DUMB!! Oh, yea, thats right, I forgot!! LOl

Chas, you green house gas supporter you. Shame on you for contributing to global warming. Shame shame shame on you.

I’m the idiot? Have you ever read one of your own posts… EVER????

I’m not the one running around claiming the sky is falling. That would be you and cosmos. Proof is in the pudding chas boy. Looks like your pudding ain’t exactly setting up either. Too bad for you.

yuea Sol, YOU are the idiot… I can answer each one of your questions… All you can do is attack ME…. And when I ask you what you are doing to help the cause, you attack again!!

How typical!!

Again, asking is attacking. How fragile you are chas. Sucks to be you. Whoops, was that an attack too?

SOL — I dont claim the sky is falling… I just feel it is my responsibility to do MY little share to be a good steward of the Earth… I dont claim to understand all of the science involved, but I do understand enough of it, to know that what EVER we do to help our environment, it will leave it in better shape for our kids and grandkids than it was when we got it!!

My Dad was a native of Pittsburgh, PA… That city was horrible when I was a kid… Smoke, Smog, dirt, soot, COAL furnaces everywhere…

TODAY, it is a clean, beautiful city… If those folks had YOUR attitude, they would still be sucking in vast quantities of coal smoke, and steel mill smog, and the buildings would all still be black, and ugly!!

The PEOPLE there made a difference… The PEOPLE SOL… They didnt sit around and bitch when they were told to clean it up, or it would all die!! They DID Something

Hey, Sol — Any idiot can see what has happened here… YOU asked…. I answered, then YOU attacked my answers, and you STILL didnt answer the questions I posed to you!!

YES, you attack, because you have nothing else you can do!! I dont claim any of what you say I claim… Yet, you keep on ATTACKING!!

DEAL with the ISSUES here, man…. JUST the issues… Stop attacking ME or my efforts to my small share!!

The small shares add up after a while… Then the others who are so Ego centric that they cant give up their “feel good” life styles, will be mounting up bigger and bigger energy bills, and then who will come looking for cutbacks, and hand-outs?? Hmmm???

Whoo-hooo I’m buying stock in capital letters !!! Chas alone will provide for my retirement !!!

You put your dog in the fight. Read above. You got in the middle of what comsos and I were talking about. But yup, I attacked you. Poor poor lil chas. Attacked by some questions. Does your medical insurance cover those damages?

So back to the point, geo-thermal cosmos? Off the power grid? Still writing checks to the big bad power company?

Chas,

But their ad hominems do not change the fact that human-added GHG’s are causing Earth to warm, and the climate to change.

Words don’t stop reality.

Sol — I guess you dont understand the word ISSUES… You keep attacking ME, or my typing or whatever you can find, to totally avoid the questions posed to you!!

Get with it, dude… I am sorry your man Ron Paul isnt getting what he should from the media, but, hey, I didnt do it!!

If you cant stick on the topic you attacked me on, then, so be it… Forget it!!

Justs like KsGrm, when I clled her on her statement about trains, she hasnt been back!!

Sol — YOU arent writing checks to the power company?? Are you serious?? LOL Thats too funny!! My checks to the power company are going down… How are yours doing??

My gasoline bill for an average month is MAYbe $60 in a bad month!! What’s yours??

My heating bill is roughly 40% lower than before I put in the high energy furnace!! How is your heating bill doing??

My electric bill on my MAIN residence last month was $72…. How was yours??

So, what are YOU doing to cut your expenses on your residence; your vehicle; etc.???

And you still don’t get it. Damn, maybe you should read the thread before you jump in with both feet. You’re already over your head and swimming in the wrong direction. Quit before you drown.

So cosmos, about those checks…

Sol, I have read the blog for a long while and I have never known you to troll like this. One needn’t choose between driving a 4×4 10V 8 mpg half a mile to the grocery store or around just for fun and living like an animal. If everyone did little things, like Chas using low-wattage bulbs and and a high MPG car, and cosmos rarely driving and choosing to walk short distances, it would make a world of difference.

I am not so naive to think that riding a moped or walking instead of driving or planting trees every year is going to make a dent in our problems. But if everyone did, maybe we could slow the warming trend.

I’m not a climate scientist, but I am a scientist, and Nathan, you have no idea what goes into the peer-review process. You turn your noses up at it, and science in general, but we can’t just MAKE STUFF UP to ensure more funding. There are people scrutinizing our methods and interpretations, just waiting for a chance to tear it all down. If it survives that process, it’s probably pretty frickin’ trustworthy.

Tara,
am not so naive to think that riding a moped or walking instead of driving or planting trees every year is going to make a dent in our problems. But if everyone did, maybe we could slow the warming trend.

That was my point to begin with. What does cosmos do besides rant in here. All I’ve heard so far is that cosmos has some kind of 35 mpg car, either doesn’t work or… who knows.

Hank,
Since I’ve lived in Hawaii, I’ve tried to explain to my friends how people in the midwest wear their wasteful practices with a badge of honor. Proudly proclaiming their high gas bills and low MPG vehicles, presumably to show off how much money they have to be able to spend money on energy. Or to show up those damn hippies always talking about the environment. But actually going out of their way to use as much energy as possible.

Nobody believes me.

I should point them to this blog someday.

Tara,

Of course I understand the process of peer review. Don’t get me wrong, I probably don’t have a really good understanding, like someone who has gone through it, however, I comprehend it enough to have a conversation about it.

Once again, I don’t turn my nose up at “science in general.”

That is the complete total BS crap that people like you use to attack me instead of having a discussion.

I didn’t say that scientists made stuff up.

However, there is just as much reason to doubt the conclusions and interpretations they make based on their motives if you are going to question the motives of anyone who disagrees with them.

That was my point.

Hey Tara,

Interesting when the economy of your great state lives and dies on tourism. How many tourists a year come to Hawaii? From the US? From Japan?

If it wasn’t for the people fleeing the mi dwest in the winter to go to Hawaii your state would be crap.

Oh, and by the way, Nathan understands the peer review process, his mother has published several papers in various fields.

Tara,

Actually, I think your attitude towards those like my father is a perfect example of an underlying leftist socialist agenda to control energy comsumption.

It is not some hidden secret that using the government, through environmental regulations, is another round about way of forcing “equality” on people.

Think about it…

What would the prefect little green world be for the typical socialist/green person?

We would all be using an equal amount of energy or be punished for it.

There are those true believers out there who think that they are loving the planet and then there are those who see it as simply another way to control people.

Hence, why, when you actually start looking at the solutions to Global Warming you will really start to see what a sham it is.

SolDevVB, post your proof that I do not buy wind power
-Cosmos

Honest question: How does one “buy wind power”?

It was my understanding that the wind farms are owned and operated by electrical utilities which derived electricy from multiple feedstocks (wind power, gas turbine, coal). By payiing your electricity bill every month, you are paying for the sum total of operating expenses to produce power for all the energy sources combined. Other than buying common stock in a wind turbine manufacturer for example, I don’t know how someone can buy wind power.

But I don’t know everything either so I correct me if there is a company who provides electricity that is strictly derived from wind.

Tara – arguing global warming here is a lot like arguing with a 10-year-old who believes the world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and it is only 6000 years old. What’s the point?

And remember, nicotine is NOT addictive and cigarettes are NOT bad for you!

rfl — First, I didnt say I buy into the IPCC concensus… I DID say I belieeve in stewardship of the EARTH — And whatever little I can do to use resources with good stewardship, then I try to do it…

Second — THINK, rfl — why would it not be a real good option to drive an electric car, if you drive too many miles??? Simple, rfl, those cars dont hold enough charge for making cross country trips… Hybrids, of course, are another story… IF I could afford a Hybrid, I would have one… So long as it made the kind of MPG’s that I get now…

Max — Your list is impressive… Unfortunately, thats not the work product of a peer reviewed climate scientist. That comes more under the heading of engineering… There ARE cost listings… I just cant remember the link you need for that… I bet Cosmos knows, or maybe Tara…

But, Max, I’m not sure what difference it would make if you had a list… Your mind seems made up, and nobody is ever going to confuse you with facts… LOL

I am still totally wiped out when I see how much good for nothing FLACK those who want to practice “CONservation” have to put up with, just to try to make this old earth a little better place to pass on to our kids and grandkids… As I have said before, Anything I can do to help leave a better world for my kids and grandkids, thats what I ultimately want to do…

If that alleviates global warming, wonderful!! If it doesnt, well, at least I have done my part… what little that might be… Now, if YOU want to drive your SUV, or big pickup, or not save on energy where you can, then thats fine with me… But, Those of us who want to make what difference we CAN… Why should we have to put up with all of your CRAP about Al Gore, and even Cosmos, here on the Blog??

Oh, yea, BTW, YOU could probably make a small fortune by investing in the same kinds of things Gore is investing in… Now, wouldnt that be the great capitalistic way??

rfl writes —

“But I don’t know everything either so I correct me if there is a company who provides electricity that is strictly derived from wind.”

Actually, IF you had your own wind generator, and you used it to power your house, then anything generated that you didnt use, you can theoretically “Sell” back to the Grid…

So, yea, you could theoretically make some profit FROM the power company.

As far as directly purchasing wind power, I do believe it would work much as you posted above.

Max, Max, I dont know if I have yet heard anybody claim that we could FIX the emissions that can apparently cause Global Warming… I HAVE heard that we can perhaps Slow the process… Each one of the items in your list is important… I dont know if we can EVER get all of them working at the same time… But, I would rather work towards those things, than work against them… The fact that you have a list, should show you that people have come up with things that CAN HELP… As far as whether or not you want to invest in those helpful things, that is up to you and your investment counselors, etc.

In the meantime, you might as well accept the hard fact that things CAN be done to make a difference in our planet. I already pointed out what happened when the people of Pittsburgh all got together, and decided to save their city… And maybe thats as good as we can do… One city at a time… Maybe thats ALL we can do… But, I’m all for trying!!

I think this blog will actually blow up if anyone ever changes their mind about anything based on what is written here. It seems much like the same thing being said over and over and over and over.

Ben,

Ultimately I do think that the scare behind Global Warming is a sham.

I don’t however, introduce irrelevant things to the conversation to say you are a sham.

If you can’t tell the difference, then this discussion is futile.

The more Cosmos posts here, the more I believe that he is some paid blogger by Gore to cut and paste as he was taught to do.

Cosmos,

Ad hominem? Ya got THAT right. This one is about you. This one is about you sucking up as much white space as you can with your shill messages.

I’m asking you cosmos, the one behind the curtain, what is it you PERSONALY do to eliminate your carbon foot print. You spam your spew here daily. You defend your scientists and defame every other that doesn’t agree with you.

So my query isn’t for or against GW, it is about you. You talk the talk, but I bet you a carbon credit you don’t walk the walk nearly as much as you post here.

“However, there is just as much reason to doubt the conclusions and interpretations they make based on their motives if you are going to question the motives of anyone who disagrees with them.”

Then why don’t you look at the literature and TELL US why their conclusions and interpretations are questionable? All of the data, the methodology is there in the print. If you think they’re driven by their motives, and that their science isn’t sound, then USE that logic you claim to excel at and tell us why the conclusion does not follow from the methods/data.

Cosmos can point you to a peer-reviewed paper, I’m sure, if you’re up for the challenge.

What? You can’t because you don’t know the science?

That’s the point, only those who are in the field of climate science are qualified to criticize. I couldn’t do it, paid shills for the oil companies can’t do it, meteorologists probably can’t do it, and I’m sure you can’t do it either.

“If it wasn’t for the people fleeing the mi dwest in the winter to go to Hawaii your state would be crap.”

What is your point? Yes, our economy thrives on tourism. The US forcibly annexed Hawaii and made it easier for people to come in and destroy this pristine environment.

Let me tell you a few things about Hawaii. Aside from the hotels/tourist destinations largely owned by those who are NOT Hawaii residents:

There is no air-conditioning, even in the summer when it gets near 100.

There are no dishwashers.

Everyone recycles because it’s ridiculously easy to walk 10 feet to the nearest bin, unlike the mainland.

Most of us shop who live here locally and support sustainable agriculture, even if the price is higher.

We have an awesome bus system, and you see mopeds/bicyclists everywhere.

The Hawaii community actively prevents US companies from turning the north and west shore of Oahu and all the other islands from becoming Honolulu.

Believe me, we, as a state, do wonders to try and offset the environmental costs of tourism.

Tara,

I don’t have to be a climate scientist to grasp basic concepts and to intelligently look at something.

I don’t have to be a climate scientists to enter into the debate on the issue when that issue is being used to manipulate and control things which effect everyone.

Man made Global Warming is based on data, models, and assumptions which are, to put rather bluntly, speculation at best.

It is not like I am sitting here denying that gravity is pulling me down or that the Earth revolves around the sun.

It is clear that those things happen.

However, we are talking about “science” which is crunching numbers and data into a model and then speculating on it.

It is like that frog joke my father told me.

Have you heard that frog jumping joke before?

There are people much more intelligent than you or I who disagree with the “consensus.”

It is not because they are simply paid by big oil companies either.

There are at least half a dozen different levels of looking at this issue beyond simply saying to look at some peer reviewed paper and refute it.

Tara.

Good to hear those things about Hawaii.

But not terribly surprising.

When you live on an insland, you sort of HAVE to care about the environment. Resources are finite and the evidence is right before your eyes. You can’t just truck trash off somewhere else or ruin an area and move on.

I wish more Americans could be exposed to real world experience outside the incredible waste in the US. It might make them more mindful that the world is big but not infinite. And that the sky doesn’t just keep going up.

What puts a hole in the sock of Alarmists, is that one spew of a huge volcano or an increased in an oscillation of El Nino or La Ninja can affect the planet’s climate more than the entire accumulated total of man-made contributions.

This, they cannot deny, because it is put in the IPCC climate report that these items have changed the climate’s outcome.

The thirty years of study by scientists is admirable, but a laughably short time frame when considering climate can be the result of hundreds of years of accumulation of gas particles and oceanic/atmospheric changes.

Besides, the United States is already devoting billions in research on climate change.

What is needed now is for the energy alternatives to come up to speed. Don’t look to Europe to bring anything to the table, they are too engrossed in their carbon credit circuses to come up with innovations.

JR,

Trying what?

You have yet to tell me what it is your solutions are.

I have no problems at all with conservation.

We are talking about Global economic power and regulations in regards to CO2 to fight Global Warming.

Those are the things which will adversely effect all of us.

What is your investment in the status quo Nathan?

“I have no problems at all with conservation.”

No? Then why are you on my case about it?

What have I said here that you want to make me such a boogeyman?

Al Gore said he would work to put the internal combustion engine out to pasture in 25 years.

We COULD have been 7 years closer to that by now.

Nathan why are you afraid for your country to be more mindful, thoughtful, and creative?

JR,

You have truly mastered the ability to use the loaded question fallacy.

Too bad, you have yet to realize how it is a fallacy and why.

yea, sure, right, Nathan… Gore was soo oopposed to Kyoto, that he symbolically SIGNED it… even though the Senate never votewd on it!! If Gore was soo opposed to Kyoto, then why did he sign it??

cosmos objects so much about ad hominem, but actually ad hominem accounts for 90 percent of cosmos’s posts.

No wonder no one takes him seriously.

Nathan,

How do you define “adversely”?

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J R posted January 30, 2008 at 6:41 pm

“When you live on an island, you sort of HAVE to care about the environment.

Very good point. And our entire Earth is basically an “island”.
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Except that our world as an island has distinct and separate climate regions like arctics, deserts, oceans, high elevations, low elevations – other than that – um no.

Perhaps it was the oscillations that exist in our world that confused cosmos compared the earth to an island?

Maybe it was an island doesn’t spin on its own axis or rotate around its own sun?

Perhaps the lack of formidable plate tectonics?

Who knows what cosmos thinks, unless he can an impose a hyperlink, he appears incapable of independent thought.

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By whose definition, Regular??
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By anyone with a brain larger than a pea Chas.

JimmyMac posted January 30, 2008 at 6:24 pm

“re- Tara and Ben: Actually, I’m just as qualified to talk about the Climate as they are. Ben has had one course I think he said.“

Right Chas, you mean the 1001 times that cosmos has re-posted my opinion on the Sierra Club and New Orleans and way off topic in many threads.

Or perhaps every time cosmos puts his standard snide remarks about people not understanding about this and that.

cosmos is a perfected smear tactician.

cosmos is not a scientist.

Besides Chas, cosmos doesn’t need to be defended by you and JR. If you don’t have anything specific to say about the topic at hand, why interject your unwanted judgments on other posters?

It gets old when you Libs with your dog-piling tactics offer nothing to the conversation but rhetoric and rancor.

And see, you just did it again!! YOU have no proof that Cosmos is not a scientist… yet, almost DAILY, you state that “Cosmos is not a scientist” Based on what information do you make such a daily false statement… called Ad Hominem…

When Cosmos says you or somebody else does not understand something, he is RIGHT… That is also not Ad Hominem… OK, so he has mentioned the New Orleans levees numerous times… And, yet you never have challneged him!! Or shown him to be wrong!!

No, instead, you attack COSMOS, and not his science, or his claims… Sometimes, Regular, I honestly dont think you know what Ad Hominem means!!

I know cosmos is not a scientist, because I asked what he took in college for science courses and he said “some-a couple of courses.” So Chas, once again – cosmos does not need to be defended.

So Chas, how about shutting the hell up and let cosmos’s words stand for themselves. Unless you think he is incapable of defending himself.

You add nothing to the conversation but rancor and rhetoric.

JR,

Should I instruct you again on what a loaded question is or don’t you remember what happened last time?

For goodness sake man, figure it out all ready:

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html

Chas,

You need to remember that this blog is JimmyMac’s fantasy world. He can post lies, and whatever else he wants.

Hank Price
Posted January 30, 2008 at 4:27 pm

“Oh, and by the way, Nathan understands the peer review process, his mother has published several papers in various fields.”

Hank, using that criteria, Hillary would make a good president because she was married to one.

“Young Democracy” in Afghanistan?
By: Siun on Wednesday, January 30th, 2008 at 3:31 PM – PST

In the SOTU Monday night, George Bush cheered on the “young democracy” in Afghanistan:

“In Afghanistan, America, our 25 NATO allies and 15 partner nations are helping the Afghan people defend their freedom and rebuild their country. Thanks to the courage of these military and civilian personnel, a nation that was once a safe haven for al-Qaida is now a young democracy where boys and girls are going to school, new roads and hospitals are being built, and people are looking to the future with new hope.

Yet just six days ago a young Afghan reporter was sentenced to death in Afghanistan and the case points to the return of both judicial extremists and the continuing power of the warlords:

A journalist in northern Afghanistan, Sayed Parwez Kaambakhsh, has been sentenced to death for blasphemy in a summary trial in which he had no legal representation and no opportunity to defend himself.

Sentencing took place in a closed session of the lower court of Balkh region on January 22.

“It was about four pm when guards brought me into a room where there were three judges and an attorney sitting behind their desks. There was no one else,” Kambakhsh told IWPR.

“The death sentence had already been written. I wanted to say something, but they would not let me speak.

“They too said nothing. They just handed me a piece of paper on which it was written that I had been sentenced to death. Then armed guards came and took me out of the room, and brought me back to the prison.”

Kaambakhsh is a third-year journalism student at Balkh University, and also reports for the Jahan-e-Naw daily in Mazar-e-Sharif. He was arrested on October 27, 2007, on charges of distributing anti-Islamic propaganda.

The accusation was based on an article from the internet that had been circulated around Balkh University, ostensibly signed by Kaambakhsh. The student insists he had nothing to do with the paper and did not sign it.

Radio Netherlands has more about the accusation:

Mr Kambakhsh is accused of downloading an article by the Iranian writer Arash Bikoda (Persian for ‘Godless’) and distributing it among friends. The 12-page article is thought to contain criticism of how women are treated in Islamic societies. Mr Kambakhsh was initially suspected of having written the article himself.

The Institute for War and Peace Reporting told the BBC it “believed Kambakhsh may have been targeted because his brother, Sayed Yaqub Ibrahimi, a staff reporter for the institute, had written articles that criticised local strongmen.”

“We feel very strongly that this is a complete fabrication on the part of the authorities… designed to put pressure on Perwiz’s brother Yaqub, who has done some of the hardest-hitting pieces outlining abuses by some very powerful commanders in Balkh and the other northern provinces,” the institute’s country director Jean MacKenzie said.

In fact, the Afghan Information Ministry in fact stated:

“But his arrest and sentence given to him has not been in relation with his journalistic activities and thus has no connection with the work of this ministry,” it said.

Afghan journalists are very concerned:

Haroon Najafizada, secretary for the South Asian Free Media Association in northern Afghanistan, is concerned at the way this case has been handled and its implications for free speech.

“This sentence was passed in closed session. The media should have been present,” he said. “If things continue like this, freedom of speech in northern Afghanistan will be in serious jeopardy, and reporters will begin to censor themselves.”

On January 21, the day before sentence was passed, a group of journalists gathered in the Balkh governor’s office to protest Kaambakhsh’s continued detention.

According to Najafizada, the prosecutor threatened reprisals if the media did not back down.

“Hafiz Khaliqyar, the prosecutor for Balkh, spoke to us in a very bad tone,” said Najafizada. “In front of the governor and all of the authorities in Balkh, he said that he would arrest anyone who defended Kambakhsh.”

RAWA is asking for help to free Perwiz from this sentence:

The accusations are so ridiculous and injudicious that they make any freedom-loving person want to stand and say enough is enough. Mr. Kambakhsh is accused of printing/distributing an article from the Internet, which points out controversial verses of the Quran regarding women’s rights. The book “Religion in the History of Civilization” (by Will Durant) taken from his living room has been kept as an evidence against him in the court!

In a country where for the last six years there are many claims regarding “democracy”, “human rights”, and “freedom of press”, the religious fascists have their grip on justice and try every possible way to mute anyone who criticizes or comments about the Northern Alliance criminals.

Imprisonment of Parwiz Kambakhsh is not only for his enlightening articles in a local newspaper, Jahan-e-Now (The New World), but also because of his brother Yaqub Ibrahimi, who is a well-known, brave and realistic reporter and exposed many criminal faces from Jehadi mafia in Northern Afghanistan to the world public.

You can join in an email campaign to plead for Perwiz’ life and freedom with emails to the following. Since any appeal he files will be heard in the same “court” as his sentencing, human rights groups are asking people to include a request that his case be moved to the courts in Kabul:

Presidential Office:
president@afghanistangov.org

United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA)
spokesman-unama@un.org

The Supreme Court of Afghanistan
aquddus@supremecourt.gov.af

And by contacting the The Embassy of Afghanistan at:

Main Telphone: 202.483.6410
Main Fax: 202.483.6488
E-Mail: info@embassyofafghanistan.org

So far, President Karzai has been silent about the Perwiz case but hopefully international pressure can encourage him to speak up for freedom of the press and a fair judiciary.

Apophis – another Leftist Lib who adds nothing to this blog but insult, rancor and rhetoric.

Well if you are not defending waste what is it you ARE doing Nathan?

Tell me that there is no waste in our society. Tell me we could not be more mindful and thoughtful as to our consumption of just about everything.

I’ll give you a very small example.

The store I walk to. They sell fresh fried chicken. They always have it, no waiting.

Now, not so long ago, that that didn’t sell, they would put out at a discount. Me and lots of other people figured this out. SO we would wait until 8 in the evening to go up and buy cheap fried chicken.

Well, it wasn’t long before they stopped with the mark down fried chicken. I went up one night and they were throwing about 60 pieces of chicken in the trash.

Throwing it in the trash. Instead of selling it at a discount.

So I asked why.

The answer was that too many people were taking advantage of the cheap fried chicken!

It’s more profitable they say to sell just a LITTLE more chicken before 8 than to sell it half off at 8.

And Regular attacks with yet another Ad hominem attack on Apophis…

Unfortunately, Apophis is correct…

And Regular, I would love to see YOU attempt to debate Cosmos, in a referreed debate, where you cant keep saying “Cosmos isnt a scientist” and using Ad Hominem attacks… I dont think you could last 15 minutes!!

Chas, just like the post above from Apophis – it adds nothing but rancor.

Ben posted:
“Beck – that explains a lot. I have read his stuff – very bogus. Taking samples downwind from power plants etc.”

cosmos is too scared to debate me in public on Climate Science Chas, he doesn’t have the cajones or the background.

Somehow, I dont think Cosmos likes taking candy from babies… How can you presume to sit there and almost daily say “Cosmos is not a scientist” when you have NO PROOF of such a statement… And then you have the nerve to talk about adding nothing but Rancor???

What a huge lousy hypocrite???

Chas, what do you know about science, your degrees are in theological study? Yet, you are entitled to your opinion on climate science.

That doesn’t mean you can say other people are in error when you don’t have the background in science to understand the science behind it.

cosmos refuses to debate me in public on Climate Science.

I guess that speaks volumes about cosmos’s convictions.

cosmos is incapable, incompetent and incoherent on his stance which he so boldly proclaims here on the blog.

cosmos won’t back his claims by public debate, he is cannot believed to be credible.

oops, html not working, should read,

he (cosmos) cannot be believed to be credible.

Credible?? Regular, I have NEVER seen Cosmos say how many courses he has taken in anything… As USUAL, you spin the statement I make and try to make it say something different…

YOU DO NOT HAVE ONE IOTA OF PROOF THAT COSMOS IS NOT A SCIENTIST… THAT MAKES YOU THE LIAR, REGULAR… ITS REALLY PRETTY DAMN SIMPLE!!

WHY DONT YOU EITHER PROVE IT, OR JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT, AND START ANSWERING COSMOS’ POSTS OF SCIENTIFIC MATERIALS…

I DONT HAVE TO BE A SCIENTIST TO SPOT A STUPID, DUMB A$$ LIAR!!

Ok everybody you saw it here.

Cosmos isn’t credible.

Because JMKansasRepulicankhanEier and half a hundred other nics under the name of one person says so.

End of the month James. Meds running low?

cosmos is really showing his ignorance on what’s in an IH degree.

Go ahead and take Regular up on anything he proposes, Cosmos.

He never follows through on anything he says he’ll do . . .

Looks like cosmos is taking the cowards way out by not debating me on Climate Science.

And yes, I will debate Ben in public on Climate Science as well.

Ben and I actually have similar training. He has more chemistry education than I do, but we both know about air, water and particulate sampling, both which we have done.

Chas, ask cosmos if he is a scientist.

I did and he said no.

A scientist, in the broadest sense, refers to any person that engages in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge or an individual that engages in such practices and traditions that are linked to schools of thought or philosophy. In a more restricted sense, scientist refers to individuals who use the scientific method.[1] The person may be an expert in one or more areas of science.

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Hey, I’m a scientist.

Do you need a hug James?

I’m sure James can make something up!

“Ben and I actually have similar training. He has more chemistry education than I do, but we both know about air, water and particulate sampling, both which we have done.”

See what I mean? He thinks he’s got the same education as a PhD in chemistry.

Tomorrow, he’ll be an “astronaut” or a “rodeo bull rider” or Napoleon.

Don’t throw things at a caged animal. It’s not nice.

Just let it be.

Would that be the science of “lunacy” Outlander??

LOL

Okay, here’s the question to cosmos and cosmos should answer this alone.

cosmos,

Are you a scientist?

massive amounts of crickets chirping at cosmos’s house.

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Posted January 30, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

crickets chirping at cosmos house…

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Posted January 30, 2008 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

Okay, here’s the question to cosmos and cosmos should answer this alone.

cosmos,

Are you a scientist?

I’m going out on a limb here, Regular, and for the sake of everyone’s sanity, I’m going to say that IMHO cosmos is not a scientist.

And neither are you.

So the question is wholly irrelevant.

Just like it was a few weeks ago when you spammed the Blog with it, and I told you the same thing.

cosmos refuses to debate me in public in a controlled debate on climate science.

Let it be known to all that cosmos is unable to stand behind his convictions.

JimmyMac,

This is an anonymous blog… and you do not even respect the world’s top climate scientists.

Show me where I used my credentials to make a point about AGW.

Debating with a liar like JimmyMac is a waste of time.

And he already had at least one “public” debate with Ben, re CO2.

JimmyMac got stomped.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/is_there_a_carb/#comment-253693

James,
I consider myself a fair person, but you’re kind of being a jerk today.

Are there people on this blog that YOU would prefer not to meet in person? Yes? Me too. And cosmos too, probably. So why don’t you let it go?

Outlander,
I think when we are talking about “science” we are talking about someone who not just studies science, but contributes new knowledge to the body of science (through research and publications). I’m not a PhD yet, but I consider myself a biologist because I actively research biology.

Actually cosmos, that E.G. Beck thing is something where Ben took issue of Beck’s taking samples down wind from coal plants.

Ben has yet to show his source for his claim and has failed to show the samples were taken “down wind” as he claims. I’ve read many entries on the Internet about this, but no one is willing to attribute any sources.

Regardless, it is a moot point and says very little about the totality of the complexities in climate science.

It’s only an issue that cosmos keeps bringing up over and over and over and over and over and over and over. It offers nothing to the debate.

cosmos cannot defend his positions with science, because cosmos does not understand science.

cosmos is not a scientist.

Wait, James, what’s the EG Beck paper titled, and what journal was it published in? If its fairly recent, I can get the original literature and we can take a look at the methods.

Sorry if the question is dumb, I haven’t closely been following the global warming debates on this blog.

Thanks Tars for calling me a jerk.

And you say nothing about the people calling me mentally ill or being a troll and worse?

I think you need to grow up Tara and catch up with me on life experience, education and training.

Ben and I have a lot in common, being similar in age and we both understand and have done air, water and particulate sampling. We would have a common ground in which to discuss.

And Regular, since you have no proof for your statement, YOU are a lying SOB, when it comes to you repeated claims against Cosmos…

Can you PROVE what you say??

If not, just STFU!!! Got it?? LIAR!!!

James,
I’ve never called you a jerk (or if I have in the past it was probably on an evolution thread since those get me pretty riled up).

But you harping on cosmos to debate you in person is kind of jerkish and silly.

And absolutely, I think the people that constantly dog on you are pretty irritating. All the “Oh another one of JM’s sock puppet” posts got old a really, really long time ago.

And I need to “grow up” exactly how, please? Does your age alone make you more wise in these matters of scientific discourse and silly insult-flinging, or am I missing something?

Okay CapnAmerica or Chas,

How about either of you debating in public on Climate Science?

Care to back up what you write here?

Tara,

Some info re EG Beck is here,
‘Hissink, CO2 and conspiracy theories’
http://timlambert.org/2005/01/hissink3

“How about either of you debating in public on Climate Science?

You know that Nurse Ratchet doesn’t let the inmates leave the ward without psychiatric supervison.

“Medication time,” James.

what the…

The spam filter is stupid…it won’t let me use the word for the lone star state…

You know, the word that starts with a “T”and represents the area where Austin is the capitol.

I couldn’t go to that CapnAmerica, I don’t recall why now. Not that I would want to go to a one-sided presentation anyway.

Tara,

As I’ve written before, E.G. Beck’s entry is irrelevant in the discussion. It’s a bit dated and would be a detractor.

It’s only cosmos that keeps bringing it up over and over.

I bet you could go through the last week of cosmos’s post and find where he has mentioned it at least a dozen time for the sole purpose to put people down.

cosmos doesn’t use things to debate, he puts people down and tries to discredit them.

That’s not science, that’s an attack.

Chas, yet another one of your attacks calling me a lunatic. JR, Apophis and CapnAmerica constantly calling me mentally ill.

Yeah, reasonable discussion and you wonder why people react to your statements the way they do.

“I couldn’t go to that CapnAmerica, I don’t recall why now.”

He means “them.” One was at the Central Library and the other was at the Rockwell Library, on different nights. Also two in Andover.

And since she was taking questions, he could have confronted a real scientist with his concerns.

But he “couldn’t make it.” Uh, yeah. Big blogging night apparently.

Either that, or the aforementioned problem with Nurse Rachet.

Okay, I’m outta here. Gotta fly . . .

nite CapN

the troll-boy is working up to another major meltdown!

He’ll BLOW very soon!

OK, James, so I called you a lunatic… Sorry… I forgot… But, if you keep insisting on saying Cosmos is not a scientist, and you proffer NO PROOF, then you shall be a liar and a lunatic!!

The streak is dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And it was killed emphatically.

And oh yes, the women beat Nebraska on a last minute shot.

On top of the Big Twelve.

Tonight is a good night.

Okay Chas,I provided a link to E.G. Beck’s extract on co2 analysis.

http://www.climatepolice.com/Co2_report.pdf

Care to discuss it or are you going to put more of your useless empty rhetoric posts up?

JAMES, as long as you continue to say Cosmos is not a scientist, without being able to post any Proof of such a LIE, then I shall keep reminding you of your LYING TACTICS, and your LYING ways!! Whenever you cant get your way, you LIE!! Whenever you dont get what you want, YOU LIE!!!

You are a sorry excuse for a Blogger on an anonymous Blog, and a sorry excuse for a LIAR!!

Why would I want to discuss your Beck link?? I am NOT a scientist, nor do I pretend to be, by simply using a Google Search…

I am calling you a LIAR because you continue to say Cosmos is not a scientist… day after day; after day; after day!!

I AM NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO YOUR BECK LINK… I AM NOT OF ANY EXPERTISE ABOUT BECK’S DISCUSSION AREA…

I WILL CALL YOU A LIAR, UNLESS, OR UNTIL, YOU PUT UP SOMETHING THAT PROVES WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT COSMOS!! GET IT???

I know, KsAgnost…. But he has to be stopped from LYING day after day after day!!

Chas,

Discuss the science or butt out. You have proven yourself incapable of reasonable discussion.

Come on Chas, let’s get down and dirty with the science.

We can start with gas chromatography.

How about it.

troll-boy…….does the fact that I actually teach middle school, by choice, exclude me from having an academic background in science? I suppose you think that my Masters in Science came out of a Cracker Jack Box?

You ARE getting desperate troll-boy.

The meltdown is nearly complete tonight folks, James McCluer is about to blow.

Beck isn’t worth wasting time on…

‘Amateur night…..’
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2006/10/amateur-night.html

You see Tara from the responses at 9:49(2 of them) and 9:50, that no one wants to discuss the science.

They only want to discuss ideological based rhetoric and introduce blog opinion just as cosmos does at 9:50.

They are afraid to discuss because of their lack of training and knowledge.

I am not afraid and willing to discuss the science.

go mumble in your corner James McCluer………..

I’m going to bed.

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Posted January 30, 2008 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

JimmyMac,

Post what is wrong with Ben’s explanation re CO2,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/is_there_a_carb/#comment-253693

Then write a paper showing that: “but in the 1940s [global CO2] was above 400ppm with lower temperatures.“, and submit it to a credible, peer-reviewed climate science journal
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This is what cosmos does Tara.

He post ridiculous responses instead of taking part in a scientific debate.

I would never call you a liar Tara. :)

Unless you called me good looking and debonair. Then I would have to take you to task. :)

Actually CapnAmerica, I never was an astronaut or anything close to it.:roll:

I did however, work for Dr. Carter Alexander, a Shuttle Mission Specialist, who later ended up being the Chief Scientist at the School of Aerospace Medicine in San Antonio. He was the Division Chief, I worked in one of the branches under him.

I worked on the 8PSI study (Shuttle suit PSI determinations) and OBOGS (on board oxygen generating systems.)

Tara,

Ben already explained the “science” to JimmyMac — remote sites are the way to accurately measure global CO2 levels.

The “science” is also in my 9:50 pm ‘Amateur night…’ post upthread, which quotes Keeling’s epilog.

And, there is no valid explanation for the wild CO2 changes that Beck (and JimmyMac) claims happened.

The natural carbon cycle causes the small seasonal ’sawtooth’ shapes on the graphs here.
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/contents.htm

The seasonal changes are larger at northern latitudes such as Barrow, due to more land area in the NH.

The gradual longer-term rise is caused by human-added CO2.

Of course with a face to face controlled debate, cosmos would be unable to do such things. cosmos the delusional alarmist loves to hide behind his computer screen, casting aspersions and making general unscientific statements gleaned from other blogs.

cosmos has written on this blog that computer climate models are inaccurate because the climate system is too complex to include all the factors and of course, those factors that scientists haven’t figured out yet.

cosmos fails to note that oscillations such as El Nino affect climate change more rapidly and have longer effects than the entire co2 contribution of men.

cosmos is not a scientist.

Well kind of, I hear you worked so far under him you delivered the office mail?

Naw Larry, I took care of clean up with broom and mop. :)