Old brand GOP will not fly in November

Romneydebate “No candidate offends so few, or is the acceptable choice of so many,” wrote New York Times columnist David Brooks about Mitt Romney in the GOP primaries. But Brooks argued that Romney’s consultant-tested candidacy, aimed at appealing to as many GOP primary voters as possible, would fail in the general election, because most of the public, particularly independents, is tired of the old Republican brand. “Romney is a decent man with some good fiscal and economic policies,” Brooks wrote. “But in this race, he has run like a manager, not an entrepreneur. His triumph this month would mean a Democratic victory in November.”

28 Comments

  1. writerdog
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    Shoot the only “old brand Republican” is well you know who I would say! But there may be a point even the Republicans have rejected the old brand. They like the “NEW AND IMPROVE, FROSTED MINI DEBTS! High in government spending, low in brain matter and fortified with B-socialist and A-crook!”

    Children eat you Frosted mini Debts, swallow them all up and crap them out to you great-great grandchildren.
    Johnny where are you going with your daddy’s rifle?
    Mom I am going to defeat the world in the name of Democracy!
    Well stop by the Wolfowitz house and see if Paulie want to go with you!
    I already asked him mom, he like the idea but he said he would rather someone else do it. he is just an
    ole Chicken hawk!
    How about that Cheney boy, oh what was his name Dick or Prick or I don’t know how about him?
    Nah, he said he is busy playing hide and seek with the American public.

  2. Kev
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    People are sick of the Republicans period. Having an R next to your name would be a curse to your political career. 2008 should be good for the Democrats but I am sure they will find a way to blow it as they always do.

  3. writerdog
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    The Republican party will have to return to their roots in order to once again prove themselves worthy of having control back.
    That is my hope then we both Republicans and Democrats can return to a real difference instead of simply R or D being the deciding factor.

  4. outlander
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    “His triumph this month would mean a Democratic victory in November.”

    Yawn…, so-called experts and worthless predictions.

  5. J R
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Republicans are and have been these last many years, the party of your boss. Willard Romney made his mint gutting companies for fun and profit. He can only make the GOP more CEO friendly.

  6. writerdog
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Mitt Romney is troubling to me if this is the best the GOP chooses, the fact he has been caught in some many falsehoods and would still get the nod. Would mean that integrity is not one of the virtues that the party still holds at least among ourselves. If not then I would think the GOP could come up with a somewhat better liar. Short of Rudy, mitt is the least in the honesty meter. I would rather see Mc Cain, I totally disagree with his stance on the illegal aliens. But I have no reason to think he is being dishonest in his answers and statements.

  7. Ben
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    It will take a return to the REAL ‘old brand’ Republican to reverse the slide. 7 years ago we elected a candidate who was sold as a moderate who “offends so few, or is the acceptable choice of so many” and got, instead, a President who is the 100% precise opposite.

    Romney’s flip-flops as he runs away from his record as governor will (a) not win over the righties and (b) alienate the moderates. He is done.

  8. SolDevVB
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    There is only one ‘old brand’ Republican in the race. ‘Old Brand’ conservative if you will.

    Y’all remember when GOP stood for limited government, lower taxes, and a humble foreign policy? How many of the GOP candidates fit that bill today?

    pssssst. The Answer is One

  9. georgetroy
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    I have a hard time believing any thing that the NY Times writes. No Hillary care for me.

  10. Ben
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Good point georgetry – after all, the New York Times helped sell Bush’s war.

  11. Posted January 3, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Go, Mitty, go!

  12. Ben
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Down the floor and out the door …
    Go, Mitty, go!

  13. XXX
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    I almost feel sorry for the GOP. So many poor choices.

  14. lindainks55
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    XXX, I don’t feel sorry because they could have been a voice for change. We didn’t have to get his deep in debt, we didn’t have to stay the course this long. They could have voiced dissatisfaction. Few have and even then criticism was nuanced and weak.

  15. outlander
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    All a matter of perspective XXX. In my opinion, it is the Dems who have poor, inexperienced choices compared to the Republican field.

  16. Ben
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    An observation: It seems to me that Democrats are perfectly happy to support another Democratic candidate if their first choice does not get the nod. On the other hand, I hear many Republics tell me that they cannot possibly support some of their choices. That could bode ill for the Republic Party in November.

  17. Ben
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    I wonder if anything will come from that meeting next week in Oklahoma? Boren, Hagel, Bloomberg … etc …

  18. lindainks55
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    You are absolutely right that the Democratic members of Congress have been BIG disappointments and they ALL certainly think first and foremost about themselves and their reelection efforts

    I haven’t lost all hope yet, but I’m getting closer.

  19. D/R voters admit your guilt
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Linda, when you say you are getting closer, do you mean closer to losing all hope or closer to having hope?

    I had given up hope the D/Rs would crumble in my lifetime, but their behavior over the last 30+ years have renewed that hope. In the past, one side or the other appeared to be different enough to fool enough voters, but the number of people believing them has been dropping. In Cali, the number of third party members has increased 3% over the last few years, and while 3% doesnt sound like much, it is enough to swing an election in many states.

    As it is now, the D/R party knows it can count on most of its membership to vote for them so they ignore them. The Rs got shafted by doing that last election. Their strongest bases chose to stay home or vote D because they felt ignored and taken advantage of by their party. If the Rs chose to use the available research generated during the last 20+ years, they could take away one of the D’s biggest bases or at least dent it significantly.

  20. lindainks55
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    “when you say you are getting closer, do you mean closer to losing all hope or closer to having hope?”

    That’s an excellent question and I don’t have even a good answer. Need to think on that one.

    I voted in recent years for a third party candidate and didn’t like the result. Guess you can probably figure out when that vote was and who it negatively affected.

    But I can’t disagree with any part of acknowledging how broken both major parties are. WE THE PEOPLE need to accept our responsibility for not making them accountable, for not paying attention, for being easily distracted by the next bright and shiny object and for reelecting the same bozos!

    If we know we have problems and they are there why can’t we also know they are part of those problems!?

  21. Econ101
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Companies that go broke can not employ anyone.

    Mitt Romney has saved jobs and provided jobs to a great many people.

    He did this by making sure that those companies could make a profit. He did this by forcing those companies to modernize and cut costs.

    Maybe you would rather those companies failed?
    —-
    Actually, ALL of the Republican candidates have better experience than ANY of the Democrats.

    The Dems have a very, very weak bench. There is no real management experience in Hillary, Obama or Edwards.

  22. Ben
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Yea Paul; like George WMD had lots of management experience!

    LOL!

  23. Posted January 3, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    There is only one ‘old brand’ Republican in the race. ‘Old Brand’ conservative if you will.

    Y’all remember when GOP stood for limited government, lower taxes, and a humble foreign policy? How many of the GOP candidates fit that bill today?

    pssssst. The Answer is One

    Posted by: SolDevV
    ____________________________

    Yes, SolDevV, you are right, but it seems like a lot of people are having a hard time catching on to who that is, as well as the media is having a tough time too. Anybody want to take a stab at who we’re talking about?

  24. Ben
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Sol, WE – isn’t he the same guy FAUX wanted to leave out of a debate? Two first names?

  25. Tom Paine
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    I thought they did exclude him

  26. Ben
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    I think they did but lost track. They might have decided to just cancel it – not sure.

  27. SolDevVB
    Posted January 3, 2008 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    ABC brought him back. Dunno if Faux did. Faux doesn’t like him because he trumps every internet/phone poll even though their -experts- lock them down. If he can get a voter turn out like he did fundraising support ($19.76 million – the best of the GOP mind you – and NO CORP SPONSORSHIP – and on track with Hillary and Obama) he should place well – unless the voting is rigged.

    Read the past 2 years on voter fraud postings I’ve made here…

  28. Posted January 3, 2008 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Do love watching the GOP whistling past the graveyard from the likes of econ101 and outlander, even though it’s growing increasingly shrill.

    Democrats are happy with their candidates; Republicans hate theirs. How else to explain the massive frontrunner swings as 1) Right Said Fred and 2) The Huckster were held up as the party’s salvation, only to be found not ready for prime time?

    And now that the media buzz is over John McCain’s supposed “comeback,” and assuming he bests Romney in Iowa AND New Hampshire, the GOP may well be faced with a situation come the Fall in which their frontrunner (McCain) is more popular among some Democrats and independents than among the Republican base–who HATE him.

    So, yeah, it’s just funny to hear outlander still bleating about “experience,” and econ101 trying to fluff Romney into a strong, managerial type. The stink of Republican desperation is overpowering the usual stink of Republicanism, and it’s just going to get more and more noxious.