The Republican field is finally shaking out after months of uncertainty about a front-runner. Rudy Giuliani is dropping out of the race after finishing a disappointing third in the Florida primary. His strategy to sit back and put all of his eggs in Florida proved disastrous.
And John McCain, who won Florida Tuesday, has emerged the big winner and the clear front-runner.
McCain reportedly will get Giuliani’s endorsement today, which should help him in big winner-take-all states such as New York and California where the former New York City mayor has significant support.
McCain is in the driver’s seat for the nomination, although he’s still anathema to many conservatives. Mitt Romney is still in the hunt and has money to burn, while Mike Huckabee is fading.
All this could cast a new light on the Democratic race: Who would be most competitive against McCain?

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McCain-Huckabee.
Yup Ben.
As much resistance as their is to Obama?
The core cons are fit to be TIED with McCains rise! I think Rush is gonna have a stroke!
McCain-Huckabee? What about the Republican ticket?
John McCain – Congaleesa Rice. Then Ms. Rice can continue to say, “This President …. ” I would like to see Wichita’s Robert Gates, now Secretary of Defense, continue at a high level, perhaps as Secretary of State.
Wow. Sen. McCain’s resurgence really does bother these folks. Offered as ammunition to whoever wants to use it.
http://townhall.com/columnists/TerenceJeffrey/2008/01/30/mccains_no_threat_to_the_left?page=1
Sol? McCain and Huckabee are republicans, the best your candidate Ron Paul can hope for is for the republicans to have a brokered convention and to have a bloc of delegates to have some influence with, and a bloc need to be more than the 4 or 5 delegates he has now.
J R – agreed. I especially relish the thought of OxyContin Rush dealing with BOTH McCaina and Huckabee on the ticket!
I wonder if Rush would ever have a clue that the McCain/Huckabee ticket was one that he and is ilk helped immeasurably?
Aww shucks…here for a while (maybe 2 days) it looked like there might be a REAL convention with actual suspense. I used to enjoy watching conventions decades ago before all delegates were locked up ahead of time…..
TP,
6 and counting. Waiting super tuesday…
Sol, as a substantial number of the “Super Tuesday” GOP primaries are “winner take all”, this suggests to me that Dr. Paul must win one or more to substantially increase his delegate count. I don’t see it happening, but…
To all supporters of Dr. Paul: I admire your passion for your candidate. Been there, done that, and fully appreciate what it takes to be so supportive.
VT, Dr. Paul is campaigning in all states. He is hitting hardest in the states the other candidates are ignoring. Rumor has it he could take Maine.
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Sol, Maine, given its quirks, could end up in Dr. Paul’s column. I’ve learned a lot about that state during the time our younger has been there in college. However, a state with only four electoral votes isn’t going to provide that many delegates, and it takes a lot of the states the others are ignoring to offset California, New York et alia.
Keepin hope alive VT. Aside from the urban areas, Maine seems to be a small government pro-gun rights state. Right up the Dr.’s alley. He is campaigning pretty hard in a lot of other states too. He has been extremely frugal with his campaign earnings. He is spending them now. Wait to see his figures tomorrow evening. Another money bomb is planned I believe.
SolDevVB posted January 30, 2008 at 11:45 am
“McCain-Huckabee? What about the Republican ticket?
McCain is a Republican. See the photo here for proof,
‘Should We Still Trust John McCain on Global Warming?”
http://www.desmogblog.com/should-we-still-trust-john-mccain-on-global-warming
McCain is the traditional Republic Party candidate. But he’s not gonna buy into the Evangelical Wing of the party. And he’s not gonna get the Racist Wing of the party that hates brown people who speak Spanish.
And with all the factions of the Republic Party coalition barely able to muster a majority of voters in 2004, an unable to muster a majority of voters in 2000… just where does that leave the Republic Party?
I’m sure there’s a segment of Republic Party voters who are like Jerry Seinfeld’s sports fans — “This year a guy plays for your team. Yea!!! Next year a guy plays for their team. Boo! It’s like people are rooting for the shirt on the player’s back. It’s like people are rooting for laundry.”
For no other reason than he’s the Republic Party nominee, Republic Party fans will vote for McCain or Romney or Huckabee or (guess it’s too late for 9iu11iani) whomever survives the Pachyderm Death March.
If the GOP ends up with McCain, count on the Limbaugh-tomized Masses coming forth and claiming he’s the “true conservative,” despite all Rush has said. And the Faux Noise Channel might accept that 9iu11iani is a loser and Mittens is the Ken Doll ready to be spokesperson for the Country Club faction of the Republic Party coalition. And maybe Jesus will return and convince everyone to back the Huckster’s vision of a King James Version of the Constitution of the United States.
But will the American people believe any of those scenarios?
Anyone this side of the Republic Party (which is to say, anyone this side of sanity) is ready, willing, and able to vote for any Democratic canidate of president this year.
Republic Party chauvinists, not so much.
McCain is a RINO. Get a grip folks. Have you not seen the legislation he has tried to put through? How many republicans support amnesty? He back peddled on that bad boy didn’t he.
McCain is the antithesis to conservatism.
Monkey,
I’d rather vote third party. Maybe Libertarian if they put up someone descent.
What’s with the BS track backs? I think we can all find the paper online quite easily. Stop it already !!!!
Reagan supported Amnesty, and the only border security does Dr Paul have solid conservative ideals, on most everything else hes a libertarian which isn’t conservatism, that’s why he fails at gaining traction with conservatives and why he gets so little support from the National party. Aside from a few idealist college kids, anti tax conservatives, and libertarians who are dissafied with their party much of his support comes from kooks pot smoking college dropouts, stormfront types, ancharsits, and conspiracy nuts.
WOW! Ron Paul might carry ONE state! A SMALL one!
Elected officials–current
Aubyn Curtiss[212] – Montana state Senator.
Michael J. Doherty[213] – New Jersey state legislator.
Mike Folmer[212] – Pennsylvania state Senator.
Jim Guest[214] – Missouri state representative.
Phil Hart[212] – Idaho state congressman.
Paul Ingbretson[215] – New Hampshire state representative.
Karen Johnson[216] – Arizona state senator.
Rick Jore[212] – Montana representative.
Roger Koopman[212] – Montana representative.
Allan Mansoor[217] – mayor of Costa Mesa, California.
Jerry O’Neill[218] – Montana state representative.
Steve Vaillancourt[218] – New Hampshire state representative.
Elected officials–former
Bob Barr[219] – former member of Congress (R-GA)
David Duke[220] – former Louisiana State Representative
Paul Findley[218] – former member of Congress (R-IL)
Barry Goldwater, Jr.[221][222] – former member of Congress (R-CA)[[]]
Gary E. Johnson[223] – former governor of New Mexico
[edit] Government officials
Karen Kwiatkowski[224] – Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, Retired
Andrew Napolitano[225] – political commentator and former New Jersey Superior Court Judge
Political–other
Michael Badnarik[226] – 2004 Libertarian Party presidential candidate
Chuck Baldwin[227] – 2004 Constitution Party vice-presidential candidate
Jim Clymer[228] – Constitution Party National Chairman
Darrell Castel, Esq[228] – Constitution Party National Co-Chairman
Frank Gonzalez[229][230] – 2008 independent congressional candidate in Florida
Stephen P. Gordon[231] – former national communications director, Libertarian Party
Larry Kilgore[232] – 2008 Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Tejas
Steve Kubby[233] – 2008 Libertarian Party presidential candidate
Michael Peroutka[234] – 2004 Constitution Party presidential candidate
Justin Raimondo[235] – 1996 Republican congressional candidate in California and editorial director of Antiwar.com
Mary Starrett[228] – Constitution Party National Communications Director
Academia–economics
Walter Block, Ph.D.[236] – professor of economics at Loyola University and fellow at the Mises Institute.
Ken Schoolland, M.S.F.S. – economics and political science, Hawaii Pacific University.
Walter E. Williams, Ph.D.[237] – professor of economics, George Mason University.
Paul has also received endorsements from active and retired economics professors at The University of Dallas, Orange Coast College, Saddleback College, Hollins University, Pepperdine University, The Johns Hopkins University, The Naval Postgraduate School, Winston-Salem State University, Hillsdale College, and Indiana University.[206][238][239]
Academia–other
David Beito, Ph.D.[240] – professor of history, University of Alabama.
Paul has also received endorsements from active and retired professors at Southern Illinois University, Ohio University, Florida Atlantic University, Brigham Young University, and the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.
Finance
Peter Schiff – financial consultant, Fox News contributor and author of Crash Proof.
Don Luskin – financial consultant, columnist and author.[241]
Media
Alex Jones – Tejas radio host and filmmaker.
Texe Marrs – pastor, author and radio host.
James Bovard[citation needed] – author and columnist.
Theodore Beale[242] – columnist.
John Derbyshire[243] – columnist for National Review Online.
J. R. Gach – talk radio host.
G. Edward Griffin[244] – author and film producer.
Karen Kay[206] – author.
Devvy Kidd[245] – political columnist.
Ilana Mercer[246] – columnist.
Robert Ringer[206] – author.
Lauren Royal[247] – author.
Joel Skousen[248] – conservative political scientist and editor of World Affairs Brief
L. Neil Smith[249] – author.
Joseph Sobran[250] – columnist.
Kinky Friedman[251] – author, songwriter, humorist.
The Daily Dish by Andrew Sullivan
Celebrity endorsements
Singer Aimee Allen, player John “Tex” Barch, actress Emma Caulfield, actress Donna D’Errico, drag racer Don Garlits, wrestler Glen Jacobs (a.k.a. “Kane”), race car driver Will Langhorne, country musician Rockie Lynne, comedian Bill Maher, wrestler Sean Morley (a.k.a. “Val Venis”), comedian Joe Rogan, comedian Doug Stanhope, radio host Howard Stern, model Carrie Stroup, media personality Adam Curry, blues guitarist Jimmie Lee Vaughan, and Redskins tackle Todd Wade.[252]
Other
Jane Roe – the plantiff in Roe v. Wade (now pro-life activist) ,Overstock.com CEO Patrick M. Byrne, Stormfront White Nationalist Community webmaster Don Black, independent congressional candidate Frank Gonzalez, Moonlite Bunny Ranch brothel owner Dennis Hof, Future of Freedom Foundation president Jacob G. Hornberger, and pastor Creighton Lovelace.
“Celebrity endorsements
… Moonlite Bunny Ranch brothel owner Dennis Hof,
If that doesn’t convince you to vote for Ron Paul, nothing will.
Amen to THAT !!!
I especially like the David Duke one… heheheheh!
I wonder if this is the first of the “damning with faint praise” pieces concerning Sen. McCain.
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NWE3NjA4OGFjNGIzNGRlM2RjNDBhYzgyMDk1YWFkMzg=
Who’s posting this stuff on ALL the campaign websites?
Someone on the WE staff?
Big eye roll…..
Kansans really are legends in their own minds.
test
You Republicans should just stay home in November before you do any more damage.
ENOUGH with the damn track backs. DAMN
Looks to me that the campaign folks and some bloggers out there are reviewing any/all blogs for anything which is of interest, then picking it up for the websites/blogs, and providing the trackbacks to get us to go to their site so we might marvel in our suddenly new found relevance, providing the bloggers at least with hits to buttress their ad revenues….
A little something from an admitted Romney supporter wondering if the party’s over. While valiantly arguing Gov. Romney has one more run in him on next Tuesday, implicit to me within the exit poll analysis reported is a tone of almost resignation to Sen. McCain being the GOP nominee.
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/670mqvok.asp?pg=1
I don’t get this crap. Super Tuesday only marks the half way point. Why is everyone giving up? WTF?
If y’all can stomach it, what would y’all think about not posting on threads they prostitute like this one? Think a low hit/comment count on the threads would change anything?
“And he’s not gonna get the Racist Wing of the party…”
You mean like this?
“John McCain – Congaleesa Rice”
Libs. Ya gotta hate ‘em.
McCain??? come on… we can do better than that. It would be Bob Dole 1996 all over again if the GOP gives him the nod. Both war heroes..both served in the senate for a very long time. However, both have the ability of not being able to win on the national level. In the case of McCain, he has fouoght his party on everything from tax cuts, to securing the border, and conservative judges.
As a former supporter of Mayor Giuliani, I am now supporting Mitt Romney for President. We need someone who will fight FOR his party…not AGAINST his party. Does anyone remember that four short years ago, in May of 2004, John McCain was in talks with John Kerry to be a possible running-mate of his? It would be complete insanity to put him up as our nominee..and against Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama?? Please…it would be a blow out.. vote smart! Vote for Mitt Romney!
Get used to it brian – your nominee is going to be McCain!
:)
brian, apparently you don’t give any credence to the polling that is happening now showing that Senator McCain is the only GOP candidate who might win against either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama. Don’t blame you for that, it’s way too early for those to have any meaning.
VT – he is probably one of those who considers McCain to be a liberal who will destroy the GOP. Just like there are those who claim that Sebelius is a conservative out to destroy the Democratic Party.
Just what Kansans need–a Republican presidential candidate who hates Kansas.
Lest we forget… McCain was the one who led the fight to stop the last tanker contract… costing Kansas jobs at Boeing and Spirit.
In case you didn’t know… McCain was the first to oppose proposed FCC rule changes that would create 300 new broadcast jobs in Kansas.
Stop and think, my Republican friends… this is the guy who talks about “special interest influence, yet:
–Who was the only Republican in the Keating Five?
–Who has accepted more money from the cable industry?
Kansas deserves a better choice in November. Too bad the Republicans don’t have one.
Ben, when one reads the analyses (and goodness knows, there is a surfeit of them) of the exit polls from the Florida primary. one begins to understand why Sen. McCain has a chance to be elected in November, and why certain groups within the GOP feel threatened by his candidacy.
MH wrote:
“For no other reason than he’s the Republic Party nominee, Republic Party fans will vote for McCain or Romney or Huckabee or (guess it’s too late for 9iu11iani) whomever survives the Pachyderm Death March.”
Which, sadly is true. Of course, you could substitute Democratic Party and Obama/Clinton and you would have another true statement. There are millions of people who will vote for the party nominee, just because that person is the party’s nominee. The Republican party has no lock on this sheep behavior.
VT – yep. And why I find the reactions of OxyContin Rush to be especially funny.
MrC – one point about the tanker contract: Perhaps if Boeing had not been so corrupt and they had put together a clean bid they might have gotten it. Instead they got their ‘revolving door’ Air Force officer and Tankerless Todd to try to strongarm it.
Taz – the real key is that 20% or so who vote the person, not the party.
MrC, agree with Ben concerning the tanker contract.
Obama can beat McCain. Obama needs to pick a strong personality as V.P.
McCain thinks he can win GOP National Security arguments.
GOP has failed National Security, military didn’t go to Iraq for nation building. It was to take oil from Saddam’s control.
Bush lied about Saddam’s international terrorism powers. He’s labeled Iran and North Korea the same way. McCain can’t defend those things.
McCain can be asked is it good Pervez Musharraf still runs Pakistan? What about Afghanistan John, what happened there. Exactly why did we abandon that cause? For oil sake.
It’s too early judging the nominees on both sides but McCain can be hammered on National Security.
Fresh eyes on the problem might help the Middle East situations. Competent staff hired. Military wants to make a difference but has to defend Bush stated policies that were lies in the first place.
Cheney too often at the Pentagon to serve what purpose? It’s how Haliburton got no bid contracts Pentagon had to pay.
Make John talk about Colin Powell. If he agrees with Bush’s war, he has to defend those things from the beginning. Powell’s career was hampered by lies and Cheney.
Mirage
Actually, Iraq DID support terrorism. Even the Clinton administration listed Iraq as a “State Sponsor of Terrorism.
Iran is also a “State Sponsor of Terrorism”:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17628147/
Interpol, NOT BUSH, says that Iran was behind terrorist bombings in Argentina.
I agree
Trackbacks are Dumb!
My liberal AND coservative friends.
I still think that Romney has a shot. But, guess what? I originally supported Steve Forbes, prior to Dole beating Forbes. I knew Forbes would not win, but I wanted to push Dole to the right. It worked.
I used to be a BIG Kemp fan. Kemp gave some of the worst speaches of his life, when he was running with Dole. I don’t know what happened to Kemp.
Anyway, McCain is CLAIMING to be a “conservative” already. Why?
McCain will have to pick a VP.
Who will it be?
No, not Huckabee!
(Sorry libs, that does not help shore up the base, IMHO.)
One other thing: a nuclear bomb in the hands of a terrorist is a danger to us all, liberal, conservative, Republican, Democrat, born and unborn, legal and illegal, Atheists and believers.
I think McCain would be better at protecting us from such an event, than any Democrat.
I will hold my nose and vote for him.
I will understand, full well, that Ronald Reagan lost to Gerald Ford.
I will remember, full well, what happened thereafter.
McCain will get it…no Mormon, no matter how rich, articulate, or good looking, is going to win over a war hero.
I’d vote for McCain just because Rush hates him.
Two of the eight candidates proposed sufficient spending cuts that more than offset their new spending plans: Rudy Giuliani (-$1.4 billion) and “Ron Paul (-$150.1 billion).”
National Taxpayers union foundation.
http://www.ntu.org/main/press.php?PressID=991&org_name=NTUF
HEh
Look at the pic!
John wants to give all you cons a big hug!
Go on cons give John a hug!
Paul, duh, we knew you’d vote for McCain over Hillary or Obama. Gee, as if that’s a hard one.
What makes you think McCain can defend us over Obama or Hillary?
Do you believe Obama and Hillary want to see us get hit with a terrorist attack again?
Thankfully the american people are onto the 911 fear mongering. We must be vigilant, yes, but we’re over giving up everything that makes us Americans over fear. For 7 years we’ve let the terrorists win by taking the thing we hold dearest..our freedom…and you handed it over to Bush (I didn’t).
Every single day, McCain sounds like lil Bush. We must keep all of them out of the White House.
pmom
History has not shown us a very strong leader from the Democrat Party, in foreign affairs or military leadership, since Truman.
Do you disagree?
How so?
What freedom, exactly, have we “given up” in your opinion? Is there any freedom out there, that you use to have, that you do not have now?
What freedom, exactly, have we “given up” in your opinion? Is there any freedom out there, that you use to have, that you do not have now?
No Paul, we have just sold our country’s soul to the devil in all this, that‘s all. I will not rehash the warning that B. Franklin gave. But your question requires a knowledgeable answer and in part it takes some looking behind the scenes as that answer is out there and can be found. Also the real effects and just how the lost of freedom has yet to be public view. But now a question for you, when battling a small foreign terrorist group. What would be the purpose of having the ability to spy without a warrant, listen in on not just communications where there is a suspicion of having terrorist ties. But on everyone within the United States? Why is there such a strong demand on the ability to ease-drop on all calls within the United States on the off chance that a terrorist in Pakistan calling another terrorist in Iraq. And the call might end up being routed through the wires within the Untied States. And rather then doing the simplest answer to such a question being to allow such a single call being listen to where every it passes? Why be so broad in scope when the subject is so limited in focus and would be in violation of the fourth and fifth Amendment to the Constitution? It really does beg the question of just who are they seeing as the enemy?
LBJ and JFK wire tapped MLK.
Lighten up a bit.
Here is the thing: to wiretap for criminal prosecution does take a warrant.
To wiretap to protect us from attack does not.
“Econ101″ loves to say –
“LBJ and JFK wire tapped MLK.”
Which ignores the fact the the person who tapped MKL was really J. Edgar Hoover. And J. Edgar Hoover tapped JFK’s and LBJ’s phone calls.
In fact, Johnson put up with Hoover because he “…would rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.”
By the 1960s, J. Edgar Hoover had been in power for so long he considered individual presidents transients in Washington, D.C.
Although McCains bitching about the boeing deal, was partly responsible for bringing out the qui pro quo of hiring one of the people handling the contract award, I don’t believe it had anything to do with McCain’s opposition to the deal, initially.
Made me wonder if he’s not taking some bucks from EADS.
And, if EADS gets the contract, America can thank McCain.
Another thread speaks that John Edwards is a king maker.
King maker the other side is Mike Huckabee.
Which way does he go? He can sink Romney or McCain depending on which way he jumps.
My bet is he goes McCain. To play second to Romney means he places his faith second to Romney’s…unusual faith. I don’t see that happening.
Huckabee goes with McCain. Probably just before or just after super Tuesday.
Even Romney can’t buy his way out of that.
Of course he still has his magic underwear….
Juvenile
You are a bigot. Once again, it shows.
Several different religions have various clothing or hygene requirements. It is crude, vulgar, small-minded and bigoted to make an issue of such things.
Do you even know what John McCain’s religion might be?
He was, originally, Episcopalian. He has been attending a Baptist Church. He can not say he is truly a “Baptist” because he has not had a “full emersion” Baptism, as Baptists believe is necessary. I disagree, but I would not belittle such a thing.
Anyway, McCain, to his credit, wants to wait on that “Baptism” thing, until after the election. He is afraid that people might see it as pandering on not sincere.
As much as McCain angers me, on economic issues and McCain-Feingold stuff, I have to admire him as a person:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/220/story_22001_1.html
McCain also says that Mitt Romney’s religion is not an issue. He says this in a very strong way.
Most military veterans are very understanding about faith issues. They all pray to the same God, when in the fox holes, taking fire.
Most Evangelical leaders think that it is bigoted to attack the beliefs of Mormons:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,515040354,00.html
McCain, McCain, more of the same.
McCain, McCain, more of the same.
McCain, McCain, more of the same.
McCain, McCain, more of the same.
“Is there any freedom out there, that you use to have, that you do not have now?”
Yes, I miss the freedom to pay less than 2$ for a gallon of gas
Funny how McCain absolutely will not hold G.W. Bush responsibile for the “real” State of the Union. He absolutely will not critize him but at the same time he will will not embrace him. He will however try to connect himself to Ronald Reagan as if there is some relevency to be found. McCain is pro war and will give nothing but the same “sucsess in Iraq” that will remain unseeable by anyone but the GOP. Romney will give us the other side of the Bush sameness by continuing the corporate America agenda of stealing all they can from the backs of society. All I can say to the voters of America this tie around vote for real change we have allowed the GOP to run things since 1994 and Americans are intently unhappy. “Be part of the change or remain part of the problem”
Why are Americans more interested in what a candidates religous propensities might be as opposed to the interest of what candidate will leads America out of this bottomless pit of GOP corruption and war mongering? I just don’t get it!
Why must we politize religon. History has proven time and again thepolitizing religon is a sure recipe for corruption. 2 examples the Catholic Church and the Church of England. Millions of lives were taken during the polictcal crusades the the Church was the exclusive tool by the government and they went willingly because there was much money to be made.
Paul – I have to agree with you that many religions, not only Mormon, have strict hygiene laws. Perhaps some people here should go back and read their Bible – notably Leviticus. And lay off those cheeseburgers – they are prohibited along with pork and shellfish.
Ben
By the way, did you know that some of Clinton’s support is “radioactive”??? This guy made his money off of Uranium:
http://biz.yahoo.com/nytimes/080131/1194742375200.html?.v=7
For the record, we DO need to expand our nuclear based electrical production.
However, to the leftists on the Blog: What is the difference between Bush, and his “oil buddies” and the Clinton’s and their “uranium buddies”?
larry
Adjusted for inflation, we were paying about $3.15 a gallon, for gasoline, back in the 70’s
Tom Ridge for VP?
Lyndsy Graham will be VP if McCain gets the nomination. IMOHO
econ
here adjust this
Econ101
Posted January 31, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
larry
Adjusted for inflation, we were paying about $3.15 a gallon, for gasoline, back in the 70’s
Econ this kind of stuff really confuses Chas. I spent hours trying to point this out to him the other day. Good luck. Maybe he won’t see it.
wasn’t a year ago we were paying less than 2 — adjusted for inflation that s aahhhhhhh less than 2 — take your freaking time machine and go back to the 70s tony orlando and dawn miss you
There is security outside Tom Ridge’s house, in Erie PA. They look like Secret Service.
Unmarked cars as well as local cops.
Not sure what is up.
Just talked to a neighbor of Ridge, on the phone.
McCain votes like Hillary, much of the time:
http://election.newsmax.com/citizens_mccain/?s=al&promo_code=442F-1
“However, to the leftists on the Blog: What is the difference between Bush, and his “oil buddies” and the Clinton’s and their “uranium buddies”?”
Posted by econ
Well Over 3000 dead American soldiers.
JM
Excuse me, Hillary Clinton voted FOR the Iraq War.
Again, what is the DIFFERENCE?
I suggest you read AND understand your own question.
As I stated earlier, the difference is over 3000 dead American soldiers. You asked, I answered. Get over it.
JM
the word “difference” does have some meaning.
You can not answer, because there IS no difference!
I’m equally critical of all religions there paulthecon.
I make no secret of it. And there is no bigotry to it.
I’ve dialed back my judgements on the judgmental. That is until I found out Willard Romney ’s church was baptizing my dead ancestors into against their wishes and whatever faith they may have held in life.
And I’m less than interested in your opinion of me.
The GOP wants to write religion into law. Best we understand those beliefs before they get imposed on us.
Juvenile
People are allowed to pray for you, without your consent.
I don’t see much difference, with the Mormon post-mortem baptism thing. I am guessing that you are making up your story, about your relatives being baptised, after death, by the Mormons.
I doubt that you would even know how to check such a thing.
You made up the stuff about how you used to protest at the abortion clinics.
You have never been prolife.
You made up the stuff about how you used to be a Republican. There has never been a Republican bone in your body.
You made up this stuff, about your relatives, as well.
Nobody believes you.
And, you are a bigot.
Oh I did indeed vote for Ronald Reagan and a straight GOP ticket in 1984 paulie.
And yes I was at the “Summer of Mercy”
And yes I HAVE seen relatives of mine baptized into the Mormon faith after their death and against their will.
Funny thing HERE is? You yourself said you were not comfortable with that. When I first brought the info here?
Take a position and stay there. I recommend fetal.
I can prove that member of my family have been baptized into the Mormon faith after their death and against their will.
Do ya double dog dare me?
Excuse me, How do YOU know the “will” of a dead person?
Also, the Mormon Church really believes in family. When they do these “post mortem baptisms” the ceremony is, most often, at the request of another relative.
Those other relatives have wishes and desires that merit as much weight as yours.
Post what I really said, Juvenile. You are again up to your old trick of misquoting people. I am not sure, theologically, that the Mormon Church is on the right track here. However, what they are doing causes no harm. Therefore, why worry about it? It is done in the sincere belief that they are assisting in the salvation of people that they care about. No government power should ever be able to tell the Mormons NOT to baptise the dead. They don’t do it with the real body. What is the big deal?
It is a matter of holding folks like you to your own standards paulthecon.
YOU say I attack Romney’s faith.
I don’t. I just expose some of it’s unusual aspects here.
But who are these Mormons to creep about graveyards looking for converts? How dare they assume the wishes or faith of those who cannot speak!
I don’t know the faith of my ancestors any more than Willard Romney and his church does. But I know this. Faithful or not, no ancestor of mine would want someone coming along recruiting them after they are dead and absent self representation.
“You are again up to your old trick of misquoting people”
Prove it. Unlike you paulie I have never been caught in a lie.
“Excuse me, How do YOU know the “will” of a dead person?”
It is not part of MY faith or lack thereof to assume as to my dead ancestors wishes paul. I find ancestors of mine baptized into a religion that did not EXIST until after they were dead. I am not the one doing the assuming.
Juvenile
You are a liar.
The “Summer of Mercy” was in 1991:
“The high water mark for the civil disobedience aspect of Operation Rescue’s work came in 1991 during the “Summer of Mercy” in Wichita, Kansas. Thousands of pro-life protesters flocked to Wichita and were arrested at sit-ins, or “rescues”, at an abortion clinic owned and operated by George R. Tiller,”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rescue
Ronald Reagan won in 1980 and again in 1984:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan
Your timeline makes absolutely no sense at all.
George W. Bush was the President, during Operation Rescue’s Summer of Mercy.
So, you would have us believe that you:
1.) Voted for Jimmy Carter, in 1980 (against Ronald Reagan) — could you even vote in 1980? I am sketchy on your 1980 fabrications, I admit.
2.)Voted for Ronald Reagan, in 1984 (against Mondale).
3.) Voted for Dukakis, in 1988 (who lost to George H.W. Bush)
3.) Joined the Operation Rescue’s Summer of Mercy Protests, in 1991, while George H. W. Bush was President.
4.) Then voted for Clinton, in 1992.
Bull!
Of course, nobody, anywhere, really agrees with you on all of your views, not even on this Blog.
I can see where a guy like you, who wants to abolish Israel, blow up Mexicans with landmines, on the border, and wants to legalize prostitution —would have a hard time finding a political party.
However, it is just too much to believe that you voted for Reagan, one election, in 1984, then voted for Dukakis, in 1988, then, went to the Summer of Mercy, as a Pro Life Protester, in 1991, and then voted for Clinton in 1992.
Left Right Left Right Left?
Very weird march there, Juvenile.
Also, it is very hard to believe you because you have not one shred of evidence that you ever had any Republican or prolife beliefs.
You are a fraud, Juvenile.
You think that putting up this false identity, along with your “conversion story” will help to change hearts and minds.
It only makes us laugh.
Nobody believes you.
Besides which, you claim that you shouted “baby killer” at pregnant women.
You also claim that you wrote “Fritz and Tits Call it Quits” on the black board, at WSU, when Reagan beat Mondale.
At least, on this, you are consistent. The fictional, “conservative” Juvenile was, still, a Juvenile without class.
I am not complaining that you “left”.
Instead, I am sure that you were never really with us, and glad that we never had to apologize for you.
And, Juvenile
The Hindu Faith believes in reincarnation.
What in the world did you do, in a previous life, to deserve your current, miserable condition?
It occurs to me that you have no trouble supporting Mormons or Hindus when they have a “D” behind their name.
Well getting called a liar by the blogs biggest liar is not much an insult there paulthecon.
“Your timeline makes absolutely no sense at all.”
Well of course it wouldn’t to YOU paul. You have no core beliefs. You sold out and march lockstep.
Everyone sees that here.
That is why everyone calls you a shill.
I did vote Reagan and a straight GOP ticket in 1984. My father, while he did not vote until I motivated him to in 1988, almost disowned me.
I was unhappy with Reagan and disquieted by Bush 1 as former head of the CIA. So I voted Dukakis.
I remained “pro life” and did indeed attend the Summer of Mercy. But my zeal for the cause faded due to personal experience with those whose rights I was trying to deny and learning that most of those who were “pro life” were only so until the baby was born.
My posts here on the issue bare that out.
I believe you are on record as opposing child care for the poor paulie? Correct me if I am wrong.
Nope Paul I’m no fraud. And you can rail against me and real Americans all you like.
Most are getting wise as to who you and yours are.
You’ve no depth at all. No soul. No real core other than the high church of you yourself and you.
And your posts here all the time only serve to prove it.
Oh and since you devoted considerable text to trying to define me paul?
I’ll do the same for you.
Having raised 5 kids by your admission, you are single and on the hunt. So much for your family values. Was it the Mrs. or you made that call?
You bailed on your union, now dead. You bare some responsibility for that. Probably you take some pride in that.
You have admitted that despite your degree “no one wanted me”.
You are SO “pro life” that you once got kids to lay down in front of cars.
By the way? I was there and saw it and you. I bet I could still recognize you today.
But not so pro life that you care about kids having health care.
Now? Here you are pandering for Willard Romney. Now I don’t have a faith and so don’t have to answer to any. But I do believe you said you were a Catholic.
Now you and folks like you were happy to call John Kerry a heretic because of his pro choice position. But you yourself SUPPORT a heretic in favor of polygamy, baptizing the dead, etc.
You are what is wrong with America paul. You believe in nothing but you.
Econ,
Your question was straight forward asking the difference between bush’s oil and clinton’s uranium. I answered that question, but evidently answering your question doesn’t fit your minimalist, neocon mind. And you have the gall to call others liars. My daily chuckle came early today.
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