Kerry a boon or bane for Obama?

obamakerry.jpgSen. John Kerry endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for president at a South Carolina rally today.

That will carry some weight with Democratic voters — Kerry was, after all, their 2004 presidential nominee and narrowly lost to President Bush.

But others wonder whether Obama really gains anything by associating himself with Kerry’s losing reputation.

I think it can’t hurt Obama, who needs some support from party leaders at this stage to counter Clinton campaign charges that his candidacy is a “fairy tale.”

What do you think?

91 Comments

  1. mrcontroversy
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Having received the e-mail from Kerry this morning before his announcement, I thought he handled it well.
    Rumor has it seven more senators will follow.

  2. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    No big deal one way or another IMO.

  3. TDT
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    I think this will help. I think if Kerry really pushes for Obama, he will be able to get him quite a few votes that may have gone to Clinton. Apparently Kerry has 3 million supporters on his e-mail list.

  4. econ101
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Individual endorsements don’t count for much.

    However, reading between the lines, has anyone who has worked with Hillary, in the Senate, endorsed Hillary?

    I am pretty sure that the Arkansas State Troopers, the Secret Service, and the Marine Guards will not vote for Hillary.

    What about the other people, who have worked for her and with her?

  5. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Paul – I think that many Senators tend to not endorse within the primaries, preferring to allow the voters to sort it out.

  6. No Name
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    I was told by former White House Marine guards that Clinton did not even acknowledge their salutes! He walked by and ignored them.

    Let me see if I can find a public reference.

  7. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Another endorsement:

    Kansans on RNC endorsing McCain for president

    http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/277338.html

  8. ken
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    you should find the reference before you post such crap —- it’s a GOP myth

  9. ken
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/salute.a

    snopes refutes the notion — protocol says the salute may or may not be returned. A president would never intentionally violate protocol for fear of the backlash —- I’m guessing that every president at one time or another has forgotten to return a salute —-

    oh did ya forget — he’s not running for president

  10. SolDevVB
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    One sunny day in 2008, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue where he’d been sitting on a park bench. He spoke to the Marine standing guard and said, “Gunny, I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton.” The Marine replied, “Sir, Mrs.

    Clinton is not President and doesn’t reside here.” The old man said,” Okay.” and walked away. The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, “Gunny, I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton.” The Marine again told the man, “Sir, as I said yesterday, Mrs.

    Clinton is not President and doesn’t reside here.” The man thanked him and again walked away .

    . The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same Marine, saying, “Gunny,I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton.” The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, “Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mrs.

    Clinton. I’ve told you already several times that Mrs.

    Clinton is not the President, and that she doesn’t reside here.

    Don’t you understand?” The old man answered, “Gunny, I understand you fine.

    I just love hearing your answer!” The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “See you tomorrow, sir!”

  11. James McCluer
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    I do hope that Kerry continues to show up at Obama rallies.

  12. Steven Davis
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    There were actually many complaints about his lack of military service that caused Bill Clinton’s salutes to be technically inadequate. But I have never heard that he ignored the salutes.

    There was the rumor that Hillary and Chelsea did not like having men in uniform escorting them around. That lie has been exploded many times.

    If I were Obama, I would have preferred Kerry not bothering to support me. :)

  13. Steven Davis
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Sol,
    Technically, the joke timeframe should have been 2009.

  14. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    It was widely reported on the news that Clinton did not return salutes. Not that is is required, but it is not false and I’ve personally seen Clinton walk past Marine guards and not salute them at the White House (TV News Reports)

  15. Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Provide a link from the MSM that indicates that Bill Clinton did not return salutes.

    This story has been proven to be false over and over again – so produce your back up for your false claim.

  16. SolDevVB
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Steven Davis
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    We can hope…

  17. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    “It was widely reported … ”

    Kind of like “I heard in the bar last night … “

  18. SolDevVB
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    IMHO a president that did not serve should not salute. Even as CIC, I think it is not respectful. A polite nod or verbal recognition would be more palatable for me. Again, My HO and two cents.

  19. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    I don’t have to prove an eyewitness account clarkie.

    You have to disprove I haven’t seen it on the news.

  20. Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    “You have to disprove I haven’t seen it on the news.”

    Anyone that has taken debate 101 knows that you cannot prove a NEGATIVE.

    But nice try, McCluer. I see that you are up to your same old tricks.

    Have a nice day.

    Loser.

  21. mrbill
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    You have to ask?….my goodness

  22. yada yada
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    It has been widely reported that George Bush eats live puppies for lunch. I saw Regular feeding them to him.

    Disprove that.

  23. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    clarkie,

    You made an accusation that I haven’t seen the non salute for myself, the logical follow was for you to prove it.

    I don’t have newsclips from the 1990s, do you?

  24. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    This sort of thing is why I have been hesitant to accept the claims against Ron Paul. It’s just to easy to put something out there and now “it is widely claimed … “

  25. Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    McCluer, unless I had tape of EVERY program that you hade EVERY watched on television, and I had watched EVERY moment on said tape, I could not PROVE a NEGATIVE, loser.

    As I said, anyone that has ever taken DEBATE 101 absolutely KNOWS that a negative cannot be proven.

    McCluer, you are an absolute nut case. Grow up or get medical attention for your problems.

    You are at best a troublemaker determined to disrupt this blog for your personal amusement or a serious mental case that should be in a padded room.

    Either way, you add nothing to the blog and even less to society in general.

  26. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    WSClark
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:51 pm
    “…unless I had tape of EVERY program that you hade EVERY watched on television, and I had watched EVERY moment on said tape…”

    Which is what you asking me to prove that Bill Clinton didn’t salute by showing proof.

    Who is the loser now clarkie?

  27. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Clark – are you one of those he has accused of stalking him? Has he filed a police report yet?

  28. Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    An endorsement from President Kerry should help but as a sitting senator he should have waited until the primaries are over to give an endorsement.

  29. SolDevVB
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    DNFTT

  30. Kansas
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Kerry’s endorsement is the kiss o death for Obama.

  31. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure I have seen it but what does DNFTT mean?

  32. SolDevVB
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Do
    Not
    Feed
    The
    Trolls

  33. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    #
    Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    “Clark – are you one of those he has accused of stalking him? Has he filed a police report yet?”

    Wow Ben, I thought better of you.

    You’re just another Lib that’s stuck in the 60s aren’t you?

  34. GMC70
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Meaningless. Endorsements count for squat.

  35. SolDevVB
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Regular exposed.

    Get your driving directions here folks…

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103078837637261337850.00044364b345c88d2fb8e&z=19&om=1

  36. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Cute Sol,

    Although I don’t think the Eagle would be amused. 8)

  37. SolDevVB
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    LOL

  38. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    The 60s? What does that have to do with my question? It has to do with 2007-2008 alleged events.

    Sol – thanks.

  39. SolDevVB
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    Google is kind enough to point out the food locations as well. Makes the stakeouts ever so pleasant.

  40. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    I would post all the details, but I doubt it would convince anyone.

    However, if anyone of a reasonable mind would read them, they would have no doubt what has happened.

    Of course, you can always dog pile me like the rest of the Libs do.

    That way your Liberal viewpoint wouldn’t be diminished and you would be in good standing with the rest of the Libs who hold themselves as judges of those who don’t agree with their views.

    Or, you can be an adult about the situation and realize I’m not making this stuff up and it has actually occurred.

    The 30+ emails to Brownlee I have with the statements about my private life should satisfy most doubters.

  41. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Sol – the Beacon is a good eatery down there. Great breakfasts!

    James – I just figure if there is all that evidence I would expect to see some sort of charges filed. Or at least a nice lawsuit. As an adult I tend to look for evidence; not just allegations.

  42. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    As you may or may not know Ben, stalking is very hard to prove.

    Like I said, you can lay down with the wolves if you wish, but don’t blame me for the smell that attaches itself to you.

  43. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Good point James – so I will continue to avoid it.

  44. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Well, before the blog goes even farther downhill…

    Interesting comments by the Kansas sec. of irrigation, I mean agriculture, regarding ethanol.

    Could the sheeple out here actually be waking up to the evils of ethanol and the water usage? Will wonders never cease?

    http://www.hdnews.net/Story/bioenergy011008

    I love how their defense of water wasting ethanol plants was to quote how much water it takes to make a barrel of beer.

    Such intelligent public officials we have in this state…

  45. ron
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    I’d vote for BTK before I’d vote for Clinton!

  46. juan
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    If Obama is president…I am darn sure more worried about who the VP or (soon to be president) is

  47. G. Marx
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s great that Obama aligns himself with flip/flop losers like Kerry. Anyone who would stab his former running mate in the back is just the man I’d want behind me. Now if he can just get Hugo and Mahmoud to show up, we can have a three stooges look alike contest….

  48. WhiteElephant
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m against Corn Ethanol, I’m all for Hemp Ethanol. Hemp paper saves trees, Hemp makes better cloths. The ropes and sails on the ships that fought the British during the revolutinary war were made out of hemp, if people we’re short currnency they traded hemp. I don’t give a crap about the hippy pot douche bags that smoke weed which is different than hemp. I wish people would see the difference, hemp is bred for its agricultural use for its high fiber content and contains only small traces of thc, the psychoactive chemical that people use to get high. Pot is specifically bred for its thc content. Its almost impossible for people to get high off hemp. Theres no reason to keep this plant illegal. It could practically save this country, its a super crop, it has more uses than corn. If you take the same amount of Hemp than corn you can produce 4 times the enthanol because of its cellouse content. It even makes better ethanol than sugar cane which the Brazillians are using, and they are practically non-reliant on gas.

  49. WhiteElephant
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Its also useful as a food too, its one of the only plants on earth that contains a complete protein, cows would be a lot healthier eating hemp than corn. Cows are shot full of anti-biodics because their stomachs get infections from digesting the harsh corn meal which in not a nattural diet for cows, cows eat grass. If they ate hemp they would have less fat and more meat on their bones, (complete protein) and no antibiodecs, making it healthier for us to eat also.

  50. WhiteElephant
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    I meant if would make cows healthier, in turn making the cows we eat healthier than the Corn fed beef we have been eating.

  51. WhiteElephant
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    It can be used for textiles, plastics, contruction, livestock feed and bedding, medicine and supplments, beauty and healthcare products, GAS, composite material for aircraft, and automobiles, and for paper for books, newspaper, telephone books, bibles, etc.

  52. WhiteElephant
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Hemp played a key role in the early days of the United States. The Puritans grew high quality hemp in the 1600’s. By the time of the revolutionary war, its cultivation was considered the patriotic duty of American farmers!

    Betsy Ross made the first American flag from hemp fabric.

    The Founding Fathers, including George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, were hemp farmers. The first U.S. patent was issued to Thomas Jefferson for his hemp threshing machine.

    The first two drafts of the Declaration of Independence and United States Constitution were written on hemp paper. The final drafts are written on animal parchment.

    Levi Strauss made the first pair of jeans from lightweight hemp canvas.

    Until the late 1800’s, virtually all of our cloth and paper were made from hemp.

    In the late 1920’s and 1930’s Henry Ford and other U.S. companies were developing a wide variety of synthetic products from renewable biomass resources, notably hemp, and were promising to make every product that was currently being made from petroleum hydrocarbons from cannabis carbohydrates. The petro-chemical and pulp-paper industries in particular stood to lose billions of dollars if the commercial potential of hemp was fully realized. Randolph Hearst together with Lammont DuPont and other industrialists (backed by Andrew Mellon, the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury and owner of Gulf Oil) mounted a negative publicity campaign against hemp in Hearst-owned newspapers, trumping up charges of marijuana use, to illegalize its cultivation. This paved the way for the world’s largest privately owned timber holdings (forests owned by Hearst) to be harvested for the paper industry, which required petroleum products and chemicals developed by Du Pont.

    Hemp is anti-microbial and highly resistant to insects. It NEVER requires the use of herbicides, pesticides or chemical fertilizers.

    Hemp, unlike cotton, does not deplete the soil of nutrients. This makes it cheaper to produce, eliminates groundwater pollution due to pesticide run-off, and curtails farming community exposure to toxic and cancer-causing products.

    Growing hemp reduces our dependence on petroleum products such as petrochemical fertilizers.

    Currently 15,000 lakes in the US are so contaminated by toxic agricultural runoff that NOTHING can live in them.

    Hemp is an adaptable annual grass that can be grown in 85-150 days in most environments (all 50 states).

    Growing hemp produces an estimated $800.00 profit per acre of land. Soybeans, the next most profitable American crop, produce $200.00 profit per acre and require irrigation, pesticides, and herbicides. Timber produces $40.00 profit per acre, and requires many years to mature and replenish.

    Deforestation is one of the most serious threats to the long-term health of the planet. America uses as much wood, by weight, as it uses metals, plastics, and cement combined. In North America alone, we have already destroyed 97% of the mature forests that existed in colonial times.

    Currently 40% of the global timber harvest is used for paper products. If hemp is cultivated on only 12% of the European landmass, it will meet the ENTIRE WORLD DEMAND for paper and completely eradicate the need to cut trees for paper. One acre of hemp produces as much pulp for paper as four acres of trees. The average tree grows for 30-40 years before it can be harvested for paper products, compared to hemp, which can be harvested in 3-4 months.

    Hemp paper requires less chemical processing and can be whitened without producing dioxins. Unlike wood pulp paper, hemp does not harden, yellow, or crack with age.

    If hemp replaced cotton globally, the increased fiber yield would free up an area of farmland the size of Florida. The reduction in toxic pesticides would be 94,080 tons.

    In the USA approximately 1.4 billion cotton t-shirts are sold annually. If they were replaced by hemp t-shirts the energy savings would be 3486 million GJ (that’s the household power for one whole year for 92,300 people) and the water savings would be 1339 BILLION gallons (that would satisfy the household water consumption for more than half the population of the USA for ONE YEAR).

    Hemp fabric is nature’s most durable natural fiber. It is four times more durable than cotton, and is naturally UV resistant, offering more protection than other natural fibers.

    Hemp can be used to produce 25,000 – 50,000 kinds of domestic and industrial products, including paper products of all kinds, efficient biofuels, biodegradable plastics, food, non-toxic building materials such as fibreboard, paints, and linoleum.

    Plastic was originally invented using natural plant cellulose, which was then replaced by petroleum products. Hemp has the highest level of natural cellulose. Hemp fiberboard is stronger than fiberboard made of wood products.

    Twenty U.S. states are researching and preparing legislation to legalize industrial hemp. Canada legalized hemp cultivation in 1994 and is quickly becoming the global leader in hemp research and product development.

    Hemp production in the United States would create new farming opportunities and create THOUSANDS of new jobs in industries such as textiles, paper, plastics, energy, construction and food.

    Currently hemp cultivation is treated as a FELONY offense in the United States.

    Sources:
    Rowan Robinson
    The Great Book of Hemp
    Park Street Press

  53. Max
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Oh yeah, I’d love to have an endorsement from a former Presidential Candidate LOSER like Kerry.

    And if I was applying for the job of Captain of a cruise liner, I would absolutely want the endorsement of the captain of the Titanic!

    Max writes: Captain Edward John Smith, would you please be a reference for me for the position of Captain of the HARBOR BRANCH, the world’s largest and most unsinkable ships owned by Royal Caribbean?

    Captain Smith replies: Sure Max. As Captain of the Titanic, the world’s largest and most unsinkable ship in 1912, I can HIGHLY recommend you for the position of Captain of the Harbor Branch.

    Good luck, and God’s speed. And watch out for those frickin Icebergs!

  54. WhiteElephant
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Americans Obesity epidemic can be traced to three things, the large amounts of meat we eat, and the large of amounts of food products we eat that conatain corn byprodcuts, notably corn syrup. Lastly a sedentary lifestyle. Corn contains the types of sugars that are immediatly converted into fat when we consume them, a lot of the food Americans are eating are pre-pakaged manufactured food, 95 percent of those foods contain corn by products. Go to your local grocery store, all of the food is pre-packaged, except the perephial isles in the store, like the fresh produce section and the bakery.

  55. WhiteElephant
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    The government subsidizes corn more than any other crop, and subsidizes fruits and vegetable less than any of the other crops. This is why it cost more to eat a healthy diet. This is why a bag of corn chips is a buck fifty, while a bag of spinach is nearly four dollars.

  56. Hank Price
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Obama is pretty savvy, Lurch’s endorsement will be a setback but I think he can over come it.

  57. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    WE – I bet the cows would also be a lot HAPPIER as long as we grew the right hemp!

  58. Mrage
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    It’s pretty funny how the national media opinions are framing John Kerry’s endorsement of Obama as bad luck or something bad.

    Bush’s endorsement means what to Republicans? Bush’s GOP is pitiful to the American people.

    The President lied to your face about nuclear WMD Saddam was in a rush to have. Under a Mission Accomplished banner. When Cheney said the insurgency was dead enders and short time Saddam loyalists. That was thousands of injured and dead soldiers ago. We’re in the longest war America has ever been in and the most expensive.

    No Republican can distance themselves from Bush. Guilani needed Bush supplying money for 9/11 while he changed wives in New York.

    McCain hitched his wagon to Bush’s Iraq policies. What Huckabee was doing in Arkansas, keeping his wife down as subservient and pardoning rapists.

    Romney was supporting pro choice and I don’t know what else. He can’t explain what he was doing, flipping history all the time.

    The GOP can’t laugh at Kerry because Bush’s actions in Iraq has cost Billions and Billions of dollars since he was re-elected. Bush’s oil supporters have gotten much richer with $100 barrels and their not eager to see the Iraq war end.

    T.Boone Picken teased Kerry to disprove Swift Boaters while he profits from the war.

    Cheney ran Haliburton, then gave no bid contracts to the company as Vice President. They ripped off the soldiers and Pentagon.

    Republicans supported Bush who fooled the Pentagon with lies so military could be sent to Iraq with a chance to steal its oil.

    Don’t people believe special forces could have killed Saddam a lot simpler?

    Bush wasn’t patient to allow that. Forces were in the Gulf and a short distance away in Afghanistan.

    If Republicans voted for Bush Iraq policies they no political validity now.

    Laughing at Kerry or thinking him as a terrible politician, look at Bush and Cheney as better politicians? What a joke!

  59. Max
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    The GOP can’t laugh at Kerry
    Mrage

    Oh yes we can!

    What would Kerry have done differently, surrendered in Iraq?

    Raised our taxes how much?

    Responded to the next terrorist attack on US soil by waiving the white flag?

    Attack US troops again by calling them murderers the likes of Ghengis Khan?

  60. Mrage
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Max,

    The what ifs, don’t mean a thing. Stick with what happened with Bush and Cheney. Their behaviour in Iraq has ruined the Federal Budget and they unforgivably lied about reasons for the war.

    Rumsfeld sent soldiers without enough armor and too few of them dealing with insurgency.

    What’s the opposite of that, more soldiers sent with enough armor. Not putting down the deadly insurgency as short timers.

    Too bad we didn’t have an alternative to the Decider. Nobody in the GOP challenged Bush that he and Cheney were wrong.

    There is no platform GOP can stand on. Cutting taxes has created less money for states to use.

    If Bush tax cut did something positive he would have reacted better when Katrina happened. For some reason, gov didn’t have enough money for that kind of tragedy. We were attacked by the weather with no Federal money to defend the country.

  61. Writerdog
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    A short time ago I read a forwarded e-mail from a friend, it was telling about how it has been proven to be a fact that Obama is a Muslim. His mother is an atheist from Kansas and his father is a Radical and move the entire family to Indonesia from Hawaii. Obama belongs to a Black separatist church and plans on ruling the United States and promoting a Black agenda. It goes on, including a link to Snopes and invites you to check it out for yourself. LOL I think the sender hopes you take their word and do not actually go to the Snopes site and read. If you do than it pretty much dispels everything the e-mail said.

    http://snopes.com/

    Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 2:29 pm | \l “comment-271104″
    I don’t have to prove an eyewitness account clarkie.
    You have to disprove I haven’t seen it on the news.

    I have it from a reliable source that it was Bigfoot who witnessed Bill Clinton not saluting the Guard!
    Now all you have to do is find Bigfoot and ask him!

  62. hon_jr
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    I’m hoping for a EDWARDS-Obama ticket!!

  63. J R
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Well I’ve been waiting for when I thought it was time to take the Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker off my truck. I’ve kept it there to piss off bush lovers.

    This’ll do for an excuse. I never really liked Kerry much anyway.

  64. Bryan Hubb
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Kerry’s endorsement for Obama just put me off his email list–I just canceled his emails. Hillary is a winner, Obama is naive.

  65. The Phantom
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Granted the Kerry endorsement doesn’t carry the heft of say a Brownback endorsement, but I don’t think it’ll hurt Obama nearly as much as it hurts Edwards. Wonder if Kerry and Edwards didn’t have a falling out over how their campaign took the high road, and were rolled over.

  66. Mrage
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Hubb,

    Obama is naive how and about what?

    Hillary is a candidate, she hasn’t won yet. Both her and Obama equally won Senate seats. He did it without a political background like the Clintons.

    More people have a fascination with Bill. They don’t want him doing First Lady duties as First Man. They want Bill working on policy decisions with Hillary if she becomes President.

    She has 36 years in government, why doesn’t she tell Bill to shut it, sit down and quit giving speeches. Run only on her record. She won’t do that, because he’s a key reason why some are voting for her.

    She’s at a debate with Obama. Bill is off elsewhere giving a speech how Obama isn’t qualified like he was. Obama can’t respond to Bill immediately.

    Bill is increasingly saying every decision Obama has made was wrong. Bill doesn’t have mistakes in his past as President with things he said?

    “I didn’t have relations with that woman!” Clinton thought the press and America were naive!

  67. J R
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Mrage.

    I got a mailer from Obama. I don’t have one from Senator Clinton.

    The Obama pitch is consistent. “Let’s work with the other side.”

    No thanks. I’d like if we lived in a country where we could work together. But we don’t. We have no small number of folks who make their living on the backs of others. They are not about to give that up.

    And last I checked, there is NO GOP candidate running on “working together”.

    Our side doesn’t need one either.

  68. Max
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    There is no platform GOP can stand on. Cutting taxes has created less money for states to use.
    MRage

    Wrong. Most states have enjoyed a surplus following the tax cuts.

    And all states took personal credit for their budget expertise, when in fact, the Federal tax cut put money in the pockets of those who earned it, and they spent it on goods and services, which created jobs, which created more lovely tax revenue for the Fed and the States.

    Agee, how is it the Federal Revenues are at an all time record high after the big tax CUT?

  69. The Phantom
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Tell that to Arnie as he prepares to release 23, 000 inmates early, and stop probation oversight on many thousands more because of Calif. deficit ( not to mention cutting ed., welfare payments to children). It’s a great bushonomy.

  70. Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Max, how do you plan on paying down our $9 trillion National Debt?

    The Republicans keep telling us that tax cuts will result in more revenue and therefore balanced budgets 0 so where are those balanced budgets?

    Keep in mind that 75% of the National Debt was generate under three Republican presidents, all with veto power over spending bills.

    How many balanced budgets were there under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II?

    Answer: zero.

  71. Mrage
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    J R,

    Congress has to work together, Senators have cross over sometimes so needed legislation can be passed.

    I think the White House should have bipartisan hiring. Many moderate Dems and Repubs almost think the same way, but have different views how to implement a policy.

    I want government negotiating instead being on partisan sides all the time.

    Hillary has entrenched enemies in the Republican party. They won’t work with her and Bill. GOP wants Bill to have a third term? They went after Hillary as First Lady trying to insert herself in policy decisions.

    Bill doing anything more than scheduling dinner parties as First Man, will piss the GOP off.

    You want Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. The world will think we’re crazy giving the Presidency to those two families.

    Karl Rove wrote an essay in the Wall Street Journal making fun of Obama and giving Hillary credit for winning New Hampshire. Of course Rove wants Hillary to win because the GOP knows how to defeat her and Bill.

  72. J R
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    I am NOT pleased with the dynasty thing and my past posts say so.

    That said, there IS no working with the right. It works to their interests to even try.

    Bill tried. Look at the harm done.

    Senator Clinton is a better person than her pandering husband. And she has years of experience dealing with people who hate her.

    The perfect person to deal with the right.

  73. Mrage
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    J R,

    The Dynasty is not acceptable, that we agree! Can’t get around that.

    Hillary has her purpose, no doubt. As a Senator, maybe she wants a Federal Appointment. She can take on Republican schemes but that would be too distracting if she was President.

    They have to tone down Congress fighting passing legislation that affects the wars and make deals about the economy. To fix what’s wrong with Bush tax cuts, she’s going to need some Republicans.

    You want her to fight all of them. She needs to work with some to pass legislation.

  74. Max
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Listen to this Socialist complain about the Bush tax cuts!

    When you don’t pay any taxes, then it’s natural for them to complain about tax cuts for working Americans.

    97% of the income tax is paid by those who are in the top 50%.

    How much do you have to EARN to be in the top 50%?

  75. J R
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    And how much wealth do those in the top 2% ALREADY have there Max?

    And my guess is you aint one of them. My book that makes you an idiot.

  76. Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    “Listen to this Socialist complain about the Bush tax cuts!”

    So when do you plan on paying the bills, Max? The next forecasted balanced by the Bush Adminstration is in 2012, and most economists don’t believe that it will happen then based on the overly optomistic projections. By then, the National Debt will be at least $12 trillion and the interest alone will consume 35% of the Federal revenue.

    So when do we start living within our means?

    And by the way, the $12 trillion does not include the $39 trillion in SS and Medicaid commitments already on the books in unfunded entitlements.

    So when do we start living within our means? When do we pay our bills?

    Huh?

  77. The Phantom
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    That top 50% max quotes is a scam to pull in most middle income people, the real disparity is in the very uppercrust of the pie. Easy to fool some people.

  78. Mrage
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Max

    I dislike Corporate tax cuts, because some companies didn’t add jobs. Manufacturing still left the country. It’s odd when Toyota is making cars in America and GM’s aren’t. Tax cuts helped auto company executives, layoffs of workers still happened.

    Bush GOP is tied to the energy cabal. Increasing prices for energy taking away tax cut money people had in their pocket.

    States are struggling to pay for social services with less money from the government.

    Bush’s gov was broke, explain why FEMA did nothing for 4 days to help people in New Orleans and Mississippi? Louisiana National guard and their equipment was in Iraq.

    Rumsfeld overused the National Guard and their equipment to staff the choice war in Iraq. Risking states if they have weather or environmental emergencies.

  79. Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    I spent most of my working life in the “top 50%” Phan, but it hardly felt like I was ahead of the curve. $50-60 K a year puts you at the bottom of the top 50%, but far behind those that received a greatest largess of the Bush tax cuts.

    The real issue we have is a National Debt and committed entitlements that have spiraled out of control. The Bush War on Iraq has already cost $1 trillion and the tab will go higher. There is no balanced budget forecasted in the near future.

    Consider this – even with optomistic projections and without ongoing interest, a $200 billion a year SURPLUS (achieved only in the last year of the Clinton presidency), it would take us 510 years to achieve a zero National Debt.

    That is a humbling number.

  80. Steven Davis
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    “So when do you plan on paying the bills, Max? The next forecasted balanced by the Bush Adminstration is in 2012, and most economists don’t believe that it will happen then based on the overly optomistic projections. By then, the National Debt will be at least $12 trillion and the interest alone will consume 35% of the Federal revenue.”

    Please answer, Mr. Max, if you can. Betting you can’t, you chump… You can sell your childrens’ souls to China, I’d rather not. Thank you very much, you asshole.

  81. Steven Davis
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, Max is not an asshole, he is just extremely STUPID!

  82. Max
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    JR, there you go again confusing Assets with Income.

    No time to repeat this lesson for you. Your Democrats are all for Asset Confiscation I know, because stealing their income is not the fastest way to Redistribute Wealth.

    Capn, I’d balance the budget by cutting ALL, 100% of Government pork spending, and keeping the increase in Federal spending at the rate of Inflation less 3%.

    That means no new Socialist programs for you beggars until we balance the budget, and find a way to pay for the Social Security/Medicare fiscal crisis.

    Then merge with Mexico (we’re half-way there already anyway) and take all their oil. Then we can get the heck out of the Mid-East.

    Uh, gettin a little tired.

    G’nite and God Bless whatever you think whoever might or might not be.

  83. J R
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    And if we do not redistibute wealth what happens Max?

    Doesn’t it accumulate in places?

    Like in offshore offices in the Cayman Islands, Chinese slave labor shops, and employment of invaders of this country?

    Hey I tried things your way Max. I tried being a wage slave. I didn’t like it. After many years, I wasn’t physically up to it.

    “Trickle down” is WRONG. What we ought to have is trickle UP. Let the tide lift the little boats and THEN the yaughts.

    THAT is what America was built on.

  84. Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Jeez, it’s funny how quickly the Republicans disappear when it comes to the question of how to pay off the National Debt.

    They are all for tax cuts and have NO interest (pun intended) when it comes to paying the bills, especially those generated by the three Republican administrations.

    I propose that the registered Democrats pay the debt incurred under Democratic administrations and the Republicans pick up the tab for theirs.

    That should cause a massive defection from the Republican ranks.

  85. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    William,

    The thing about National Debt is that the government is selling treasury notes to raise money.

    This is not any different from a company who sells stock and bonds to raise capital.

  86. Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    There’s no discussing economic fairness and justice with Max.

    He’s got just enough intellect to absorb and repeat the talking points of his corporate masters, the ones who give him a bright, shiny penny for every hundred dollar bill they make and tell him that he too can be a robber baron someday if he works hard and plays by the rules.

    Trouble is, he’s worked hard and played by the rules and he’s still only making a bright, shiny penny.

    Never mind that, it’s all the fault of the . . . uh . . . socialists.

    Next to the dictionary definition of “useful idiot,” there’s a picture of Max.

  87. Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Regular writes, as you may or may not know Ben, stalking is very hard to prove.

    Again, I’m no lawyer, but I’m guessing that threatening to break into and rifle someone’s office while they’re gone, threatening to “stomp a mudhole in your ass,” threatening to “do more ruination to your lives than you can imagine,” writing “Steven Davis, I have your blog website recorded and that nice pic of you standing in the trout stream. I’m coming for you Steven Davis. You want it personal? Let’s do it”, making jokes about poster’s Jewish heritage and calling them “heebie,” threatening to harass KSFrmGrrl at her business and posting a link to her picture and personal information . . . if anything constituted cyber-stalking on this WEBlog, that would be it.

  88. Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    “Take the log out of your own eye, and then you can see to take the speck out of your neighbor’s eye.”

    Jesus Christ

  89. Regular
    Posted January 10, 2008 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Notice CapnAmerica’s post at 11:49 has nothing to do with the topic and he is no longer concerned with me.

    However, he just can’t resist getting his daily erection posting about me.

    “Take the log out of your own eye, and then you can see to take the speck out of your neighbor’s eye.”

    ditto CapnAmerica

  90. Kev
    Posted January 11, 2008 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    No effect either way.

  91. TJ
    Posted January 11, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Regular,

    That’s exactly right about the national debt. It is like corporate shares. And the buyers of those shares are the owners.

    So the question is, who do you want to own our country? The taxpayers, or foreign speculators? Eventually it will be oil-rich nations looking for leverage against us.

    I think we’ve had enough irresponsible borrowing the past 7 years. Time to take the credit card away from the teenagers.

19 Trackbacks

  1. By 1 level house plans log home on February 3, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    1 level house plans log home…

    ) Some individuals or companies have abused the TrackBack feature to insert spam links on some blogs (see sping). (Blogger now has…

  2. By Melinda Messenger on February 4, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Melinda Messenger…

    Thanks for the nice read, keep up the interesting posts…..

  3. Chubby Grannies Chubby Blonde Mature Chubby Mature Thumbs…

    I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view…

  4. By green tree on February 9, 2008 at 10:39 am

    green tree…

    How inspiring! will come back….

  5. By surplus rifle on February 10, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    surplus rifle…

  6. By ashley scott photos on February 14, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    ashley scott photos…

  7. By WWE Lita Nude on February 15, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    WWE Lita Nude…

    I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read….

  8. By andie macdowell movies on February 16, 2008 at 9:24 am

    andie macdowell movies…

  9. By can you weight lift hurt on February 16, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    can you weight lift hurt…

    EvoPro??Nature?s Ultimate Protein?Amino Blend Human milk is composed of unique and highly complex proteins, peptides and amino acids,…

  10. By manufactured log home on February 18, 2008 at 3:23 am

    manufactured log home…

    Just about every profiled log on the market today features an integral…

  11. By seven avenue.com on February 19, 2008 at 5:07 am

    seven avenue.com…

  12. By Christy Hemme on February 20, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Christy Hemme…

    I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read….

  13. By healthy eating in schools on February 21, 2008 at 8:35 am

    healthy eating in schools…

    Nice Post… do you know what is the first? i`ve the new album at my blog http://sumpit.info…

  14. By Marcos on February 22, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Marcos…

    As a result, TrackBack spam filters similar to those implemented against comment spam now exist in many weblog publishing systems….

  15. By Real Estate Dictionary on February 27, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Real Estate Dictionary…

    Hi – just wanted to say good design and blog -…

  16. By ben foster ellen on February 28, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    ben foster ellen…

    Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin…..

  17. By brigitte nielsen and sylvester on February 29, 2008 at 12:11 am

    brigitte nielsen and sylvester…

    I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read….

  18. By Pre-owned Medical Equipment on March 1, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Pre-owned Medical Equipment…

    This article sounds well, but how everything is related together?…

  19. By atomic kitten tide on March 3, 2008 at 6:43 am

    atomic kitten tide…

    Man i love reading your blog, interesting posts !…