Here’s to the Sedgwick County stakeholders who’ll come together today for a mini-summit on access to health care the county. Five years in the making, this process has three groups working on issues big (such as how to ensure the safety-net clinics have the capacity to meet the need) and small (such as how to transport ambulance users home from the emergency room). The estimated 40,000 to 60,000 residents in the county who are uninsured or underinsured are counting on the county-led effort’s success, as are the area hospitals who end up writing off so many dollars in uncompensated care each year.
When it comes to providing residents with primary care, as Jon Rosell, executive director of the Medical Society of Sedgwick County, told The Eagle editorial board this week, “The emergency room is not the appropriate way. It’s a very poor medical home.â€
And as Sedgwick County Commissioner Tim Norton said, everybody should be able to answer the question of “Who’s your doctor?â€

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As the health care system becomes more stressed by under/non insured patients the ER will continue to be the ONLY medical care choice for those patients. The system is breaking, and a larger number of people who perviously had great health care benefits now have marginilized benefits. Employers of all sizes and shapes are feeling the pinch of increased costs and are looking for ways to reduce this cost. Many are reducing and eleminating coverage for their employees.
What is their choice but the ER?
Jon is a good guy, but no relation.
He told me once that his Scandanavian ancestors probably got off the boat at the sametime as my Mediteranian ancestors.
The immigration folks could not spell or pronounce the Scandanavian name, so — they said “same as that guy” pointing to my ancestors.
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As far as the “who’s your doctor” question goes, I know lots of people with great health insurance, who avoid the doctor so much that they list doctors who are either dead, or retired, as their primary care physician, after they retire and go on Medicare.
Of the 19 leading industrialized countries, this country is listed last in avoidable deaths. Cause? Lack of affordable health insurance. Be happy you got a doctor and insurance.
How come the other countries can do health care better and cheaper than this one? Simple: they care about their people. This country cares about the health of the business community.
stumper
Bull to your last post.
We have the best health care system in the world.
That is why people come here, when they need specialty surgery.
econ,
Silly question, but I’m curious. Who pays for the specialty sugeries of foreigners? Is it out of their own pocket?
And another, but more for everyone. Have no citizens of the U.S. ever gone abroad for same?
“RD” –
According to research found in an article by the University of Delaware publication, UDaily:
“…the cost of surgery in Bolivia, Argentina, Cuba, India, Thailand, Colombia, Philippines or South Africa can be one-tenth of what it is in the United States or Western Europe, and sometimes even less. A heart-valve replacement that would cost US$200,000 or more in the U.S., for example, goes for $10,000 in the Philippines and India—and that includes round-trip airfare and a brief vacation package. Similarly, a metal-free dental bridge worth $5,500 in the U.S. costs $500 in India or Bolivia and only $200 in the Philippines, a knee replacement in Thailand with six days of physical therapy costs about one-fifth of what it would in the States, and Lasik eye surgery worth $3,700 in the U.S. is available in many other countries for only $730. Cosmetic surgery savings are even greater: A full facelift that would cost $20,000 in the U.S. runs about $3,000 in Cuba, $2,700 in the Philippines or $2,500 in South Africa or $ 2,300 in Bolivia.”[2] ”
Popular medical travel worldwide destinations include: Brunei, Cuba, Colombia,Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Israel, Jordan, Lithuania, Malaysia, The Philippines, Singapore, South Africa, Thailand, and recently, UAE, Tunisia and New Zealand.
Popular cosmetic surgery travel destinations include:Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Mexico and Turkey.
In Europe Belgium, Poland and Slovakia are also breaking into the business. South Africa is taking the term “medical tourism” very literally by promoting their “medical safaris”: Come to see African wildlife and get a facelift in the same trip.
Google is your friend.
“stumper
Bull to your last post.
We have the best health care system in the world.
That is why people come here, when they need specialty surgery.”
Try reading instead of guessing.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Aug11/0,4670,LifeExpectancy,00.html
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_systems.html
We are the most expensive, not the best by a long shot.
This is not a question of “access”, because everyone will be provided care and it cannot be denied. The hospital indirectly admitted that.
The REAL issue for the hospital is money folks:
“as are the area hospitals who end up writing off so many dollars in uncompensated care each year.”
If this was a REAL study (summit?), and not a hunt for money for our poor, poor, hospitals, then it SHOULD INCLUDE an examination of the specific people the summit is trying to address: estimated 40,000 to 60,000 residents in the county who are uninsured or underinsured
Let’s find out:
1. Why are they uninsured?
2. Does the employer offer healthcare? (underinsured or without)
3. Did the employee elect lower coverage/no coverage
4. Family size and income level
5. Income statement/showing expenses/assets
6. Are they citizens?
7. Age: are there many seniors, children?
Is there a public health clinic they could be referred to? (If so, required before ER accepts, unless true emergency)
Remember: These people ARE getting care NOW.
It’s those poor, poor hospitals, and their poor, poor directors/owners who are concerned.
One of 270,000,000 American with healthcare insurance.
Sticking to the article, physician/GPMD shortages are a world wide problem, universal insurance coverage or not. Partly to blame is money because bright young folks a can now make a lot more money elsewhere and the return of invested time on general practice looks pale. Women comprise about 55% of the grads under 35 and their priorites are not what the ole’ family doc’s were and their “significant other” isnt’ a spouse dedicated to the her and the kids, but probably has a good paying job as well. This also reflects the places where they will set up practice for their husband’s career must be taken into consideration. I know of instances where they take years off practice to stay at home for the kids, expecially during the critial years in child rearing and I got no porblem with that. It’s a glitch worldwide, except it seems in what was the former Soviet Union, where general practice has a long history of a plurality of female GPs, so the trends of the West seemingly haven’t yet caught up with them. Southern (backward?)Europe seems to have no shortage of GPMDs either.
MH –
What kind of wages are those people making in all those countries?
How many have noticed that the GP of yesterday, now called the Family Practice physician, is a clearing house? Due to insurance making too many decisions that were in the past left to physicians, they don’t stick their neck out very far. They refer. And, maybe the doctor you are referred to also refers. Who administers the overall picture? YOU! If you don’t keep track of the advise, the medications, the possible contradictions, NOBODY does! We pay the highest of costs for the poorest of care! Something has got to give folks!
The first change I want to see is that my doctor who sees me, knows me, examines me gets to make the decisions about my health care – NOT the insurance company!
Oh, I can hear Paul the insurance salesman now. And its true, I can have whatever health care I want as long as I pay the total HIGH cost. If I want to stay within whatever my insurance covers, the insurance company, who has never seen me, makes the decisions!
Who is your Doctor?
Who will your doctor be under the Nationalized HilaryCare! program?
Will your current doctor be YOUR doctor?
Will you be allowed by the Government to choose your doctor?
Maybe people don’t care who their doctor is as long as health care is free!
I can tell you, many doctors today will retire early if the Government forces them to take a pay cut.
How many of you who are over 50 today would retire early if your pay was cut by 50%
Oh Max, you don’t know the details of HillaryCare!
No, I don’t.
And neither do you.
National Healthcare is THE issue for Sen Clinton. Those who are planning on voting for her, I challenge you to demand Sen Clinton provide the DETAILS of her plan before you vote for her on the basis of getting free health care.
The devil is in the details.
Hell, even Kerry had a PLAN!
Stumper, Perhaps it is just easier to get health care to a smaller geography and denser, affulent population. Some stats may be outdated and the difference between 1st and 40th place can be so small as not to really matter. It sort of reminds me of a .350 batting average being hailed as the best but forgetting the .300 hitter who always comes though in the clutch, your real “go to” guy. Who would you sign? The US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand may be behind Saudi Arabia, Columbia etc., in the ratings, but what the hell does that mean? Not much I think…..
And America should listen to what a Canadian tells us to do, when we vote for President of the United States.
Eh!
I’ve had the joy of spending time with a Canadian over the past year. It has been a learning experience. This woman did her undergraduate work at The University of Calgary where she graduated in 2002, she completed her PhD from Harvard in 2006. Wonderful and interesting woman who accepted a post-doc fellowship at the Salk Institute in San Diego. She has been a guest in my home and I hope next month to be a guest in her home.
She has great American insurance benefits but goes home for her health care when she can because the care is superior, the waiting shorter, the cost NOTHING.
America has the advantage of looking at many countries health care plans and taking the best of what is proven to be the best to form ours.
Don’t listen to the Max’s who want what will be and are afraid it will come under the next president and Congress — a Democratic majority all the way around. Good things are coming for Americans!
NN . . . sorry, it doesn’t wash. I included a link to the details. The difference is more like a .150 hitter and a .250 hitter. Big difference.
My best “doctor” is the P.A. who works for my doctor.
Don’t listen to the Max’s who want what will be and are afraid it will come under the next president and Congress — a Democratic majority all the way around. Good things are coming for Americans!lindainks55
Posted January 10, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain who tells you the truth.
Ignore the facts.
Just vote Democrat.
Wow Linda, you know a Canadian! BFD!
I know some Eastern Europeans who have been under Nazi rule, then Communist rule, now Socialist rule, and they can tell you how horrible it is when the almighty Government is your provider and tells you what you need, then supposedly ‘gives’ it to you.
Everyone wants a free ride, but no one wants to pay for it.
And no Linda, that’s where your statement about me is wrong. I do NOT want a free ride. I don’t want a damn thing from you. I can fend for myself. Can you?
Max, ;-)
Max :shock:
heh heh at linda’s comment
As usual, good points Linda.
“The first change I want to see is that my doctor who sees me, knows me, examines me gets to make the decisions about my health care – NOT the insurance company!”
An MCO (managed care organization) has a fundamental conflict of interest in working with me. I want care that will help me, they want to save resources.
I also blame Bill Clinton, for the current mess we now have. He caved to corporate interests, and despite the paranoid ramblings of Max, you can bet Hillary will, too.
And before Max can deride my conspiracy theory ramblings, check out this Reuter’s article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0961286420080109
Hillary is likely more of the same. Just not as insane as that which was available from GW Bush and company.
“Sometimes progress is measured in small steps.”
Steven Davis
The problem that I see with medical cost is as per a scenario of where two patients go to see this one doctor.
Both patients have the same problem.
Both patients get the same treatment.
Both patients are paying the same price.
However, one patient makes $100,000 per a year.
The other patience makes $15,000 per a year.
For the person with $100,000 it is chump-change out of the pocket, not sacrificial.
For the person with $15,000 it is his one-month rent.
The one making the less money suffers the most because of the high cost of that better protection.
When the insurance industries and the decision-making executives of various other industries are deciding the cost of that higher cost of better protection, they never seek out the little person and ask them of what is affordable.
Thanks to the one making $100,000 per a year, (Analyst and Consultants are big moneymakers), they keep the one making $15,000 per a year poor by making recommendations to not giving out good wages and cutting back benefits.
Wages and Benefits is always the sacrificial lamb of the professionals, and the medical doctors’ will play ignorant to a sliding charge fee as according to patient’s income.
Stumper: The stats are 10 yrs. old and I guess one can pull what they want to augment their point of view, which we all may be guilty of but my observations suit my opinion so it will be tough for me to move off them. Max: I agree, you should not let anyone tell you how to vote, or manager your health insurance, be it Canadian or any other foreigner.
Linda
The reason the General Practice Doc. tend to refer to specialists is not because of INSURANCE, it is because of MALPRACTICE LAWYERS like John Edwards!
So, Paul Rossell, when a doctor or hospital screws up and kills or maims a patient, are you of the opinion that they should just suck it up and let bygones be bygones?
You may want to remember that any monetary damages that Edwards got for his clients were awarded to them by a jury of everyday day people, just like you and me.
Or do you feel that doctors should be exempt from malpractice suits?
In the late eighties, I was told that a lump I had on my chest wall was just a cyst and nothing to be worried about. Ten years later another doctor insisted that it be removed immediately because it appeared to be cancerous. Fortunately, it was benign, but it could have been much worse.
Should I have sued? I didn’t because I ultimately suffered no lasting harm, but I can assure you that while I was laying on that gurney awaiting surgery, I wasn’t too damned happy about the doctor that told me “not too worry, leave it be.”
Just out of curiousity, Mr. Rossell, is your opinion of trial lawyers colored by your profession as an insurance salesperson?
Just asking.
$15k a year Wiseman? How many people make $7/hour?
Median income in the US is around $46k.
How about this example:
Married couple, combined income of $46k. Have health insurance and pay $1,500 out of pocket for deductibles and co-pays for having a baby. Also pay $4,600 in Federal Taxes, $7,038 in SS/Medicare, $2,000 in State taxes, $3,000 in Property taxes. That’s $16,638 in taxes or around 36% of their income.
Married couple, combined income of $15k. Don’t have health insurance, and pay $0 out of pocket when they have a baby, paid for by Medicaid. Pay $0 in Federal and $0 in State taxes. Get’s $4,000 Federal Refund for the Unearned Income Credit.
They pay -$4,000 Federal tax (Unearned Income Tax Refund), so their taxes are actually a negative tax rate of -27%.
And the rich are pickin on the poor?
BTW, a $7/hour job at McDonalds would pay you $15k per year and get you healthcare.
Is our Public Education so screwed up that we have millions in America that can’t even work at McDonalds?
Oh you say I forgot SS/Medicare for the $15k married couple.
Ok, that’s $1147.50 per year. But I also forgot the $2,000 in child credits and $2,000 in daycare credits.
So the net moves from -$4,000 to -$6,852.50 tax that would be paid back to this couple from the Federal Government.
So the $15k couple make roughly $21k.
The $46k couple make roughly $30k.
Almost perfect Socialism for y’all.
“Linda
The reason the General Practice Doc. tend to refer to specialists is not because of INSURANCE, it is because of MALPRACTICE LAWYERS like John Edwards!”
Posted by econ.
Now that’s bull. The reason I want a specialist doing my rotator cuff surgery is because I DON’T want a general practitioner doing it. Plus, my insurance will not pay for the specialist UNLESS the general practitioner sends me to him.
Econ, you are so blinded by your hate for liberals, you fail to see what is really happening. But for you, I find that typical.
“Stumper” –
You’re right, of course. And “Econ101″ is wrong, as usual.
And it points to the central flaw of the for-profit healthcare system in America. Healthcare is simply *not* a market-driven enterprise. As much as “Econ101″ wants to force his lessons from Econ 101 into the equation, no one goes shopping for the cheapest surgeon when their kid gets appendictitis; no one negotiates for the cheapest Emergency Room after suffering injuries in a car accident.
As easy as it is to trot out people’s general dislike of attorneys, the bar is set high for medical malpractice cases.
A plaintiff must establish all four elements of the tort of negligence for a successful medical malpractice claim.
1) A duty was owed – a legal duty exists whenever a hospital or health care provider undertakes care or treatment of a patient.
2) A duty was breached — the provider failed to conform to the *relevant standard of care.*
3) The standard of care is proved by expert testimony or by obvious errors (the doctrine of res ipsa loquitor or ‘the thing speaks for itself’).
4) The breach caused an injury — The breach of duty was a proximate cause of the injury.
Damages — Without damages there is no basis for a claim, regardless of whether the medical provider was negligent.
The vast majority of large medical malpractice decisions and settlements come from the consequences of the injury; too often malpraactice results in increased medical costs to the patient. And if there were universal care available to those patients, there’d be no or mitigated *injury* suffered my the patient/plaintiff.
If, for example, comprehensive healthcare provided lifetime support for a child damaged by malpractice, a private (for-profit, btw) insurance company would not have to be sued for a lump-sum award to that child’s family for the projected life of that child. In other words, guaranteed healthcare coverage would mitigate the *injury* that’s currently an essential factor in malpractice tort law.
Max, my comment wage difference is a hypothesis; you are making a mountain out of a molehill.
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