GOP presidential contender Mike Huckabee’s rise may have been checked by his fumbled response to the assassination of former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and his announcement at a press conference that he wouldn’t air a negative ad against Mitt Romney (which he then aired at the press conference). But some of the media reaction generally to the former Arkansas governor would be funny if it weren’t so geographically biased. He’s a religious conservative and former Southern Baptist preacher, but he’s no political naif. He has 10 years of experience governing a state, more management experience than most of his rivals. His peers trusted him to be chairman of the bipartisan National Governors’ Association. And he was included by Time magazine (alongside Kansas’ Kathleen Sebelius) among “America’s Five Best Governors†two years ago, lauded as a “mature, consensus-building conservative who earns praise from fellow evangelicals and, occasionally, liberal Democrats.†There are sound reasons to oppose the guy, but those who treat him like some nutty hick are overlooking his record.
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Hmmm, wonder who Rhonda is pulling for…
Huckabee is no nutty hick
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Yes he is.
Huckabee is way too much of a populist, for me, on economic issues.
I will say this: Republicans tried to paint Bill Clinton as a “hick” and we failed. We failed because the Clintons (both of them) are far more “snob” than “hick”. (Yale Law School, etc.)
I do think that Democrats will be far more successful, in painting Huck as a Hick, even though Huck would be better than Clinton (either one of them.)
Paul – i think you will find that it is your Repukes painting Huckabee a hick.
Ben: Just wondering. You are a smart guy with reasonable opinions. Why use the term Repukes?
Outlander
I don’t really take offense, at Ben.
When I see Ben, or anyone else, use the term “repuke” — I am reminded that most of the things they are saying are “regurgetated” from some Democrat talking point website.
So, it is regurgitated anti-Republican attack politics.
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Ben
I will concede your point, partially.
I do think some Republicans see Huckabee as a hick, and want to avoid nominating him. — I think many Democrats see the nomination of Huckabee as a way to insure Democrat vitory.
So, Democrats are being very kind to Huckabee, for the time being.
Shmuckabee.
Outlander – 16 years of name-calling against the Clintons.
Paul – I don’t read “Democrat talking point website”s. I did, however, listen to Rush in the past so am perhaps regurgitating some of his talking points. In reverse.
I should have said it is Republics attacking Huckabee.
As I noted in an earlier thread, Huckabee refused to sign tornado relief legislation in Arkansas because it used the term “acts of God” and he didn’t want to “blame” God for all the destruction.
That’s not being a hick, necessarily, but it’s pretty nutty.
“Act of God” is a common term; i think the more correct might be “force majuer” or something like that.
I hope Republics are waking up to the attack on their party; I know the Democratic Party is well aware of the attempt to make our country a theocracy. The Grand Old Party ain’t what she used to be so surely someone is noticing other than Democrats.
Linda
Nobody is trying to make America a theocracy, at least noone running for President.
Actually, Huckabee is a very liberal Baptist, and many Baptist preachers are upset with him.
It’s been sort of funny watching both Huckabee and Romney ‘run away’ from positions they held as governors.
Ben, Rommey’s health care plan that he pushed for, signed and just went into effect sounds alot like Hillary’s plan. but somehow with Hillary’s plan you see Cons failing about and screaming socialism.
“econ101″ –
“I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.” — Mike Huckabee
I wouldn’t say Huckabee is a hick since that would insult hicks everywhere. He certainly is nutty. If he runs the country as well as he raised his children we are all in trouble.
Huckabee a Liberal in what way? Hes a moderate on immigration, and he doesn’t like China but those aren’t necessarily Liberal positions. Rudy is a liberal on social issues, and Romney was a liberal till he decided to run for president.
” . . . is well aware of the attempt to make our country a theocracy.”
Uh-huh.
That’s what is know in the ‘biz as “hyperbole.” Chicken Little was well versed in it.
The claim is a tactic; little else. NO ONE with any relevance in the political system is seeking to make the US a theocracy; saying so, apparantly seriously, only undermines your own credibility. It’s the left’s equivalent of some on the right accusing the left wing of the Democratic party of being “communists.” While there are real communists out there, they are not generally within the Democratic party (which is much too centrist for real communists) and are so marginalized as to be irrelevent.
Try to get a grip, Linda.
Anyone who claims Huckabee is a liberal should just not bothering commenting on political issues since they don’t know what they are talking about. Wanting to turn America into a theocracy isn’t much of a liberal.
Tom, Doug – anything to the left of Atilla the Hun is ‘liberal’ to Paul and Rush.
“GMC70″ –
Get a grip on this:
“I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.” — Mike Huckabee
Huckabee is not considered a religious conservative, by other Baptists:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/huckabees_baptists.html
Huckabee wants America to be run by an Arab in the Middle East named Jesus. Told you that guy was looney. Can’t even have a good ol’ American theocracy, even that has to be sent to someone overseas.
There are millions of Southern Baptists so it isn’t surprising there will be a few nuts who don’t think Huckabee is insane enough. After all, Huckabee isn’t a racist and that was the entire basis for forming the Southern Baptist Convention.
What should I get a grip on, GMC? I wasn’t aware that my opinion had more or less impact than any other poster’s opinions.
I honestly think politics and religion are two totally separate subjects and should be kept as separate as possible. My claim that some, Huckabee included, would move America closer to a theocracy is not a tactic, it’s my opinion.
In no way would I ever attempt to belittle anyone’s faith, religion, convictions or beliefs. I have my own very strong, very personal beliefs. I see no place for religion in politics. I also don’t think morality and religion can be equated.
I do understand that my opinions and thoughts aren’t shared by some but that doesn’t make mine invalid.
MH –
Assuming he said same, without knowing the context it’s meaningless. I’ve heard the same said numerous times, at various church services. Does it mean those churches seek to impose a theocracy? Of course not.
Politically driven hyperbole. Nothing more.
In fact I think I’m stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamo fascism. These are people that want to kill us. It’s a theocratic war. And I don’t know if anybody fully understands that. I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well.
–Mike Huckabee
Ol’ Huckabee can’t seem to keep religion and politics separate.
GMC70,
It is pointless trying to talk to Doug or MonkeyHawk about this.
Both already dont like anything Christian, unless you are so far left on the spectrum you are Chas and CapnAmerica who won’t even admit that Jesus is the key to salvation…
So, when they already think any ‘normal’ Christian is a nut, they are going to think even less of someone like Huckabee.
They both purposefully twist and distort what Huckbee says for the sole purpose of continuing their Christian bashing.
I find a great deal of Huckabee’s positions to be refreshing. He seems to have the ‘charity’ part of Christian theology along with the ‘Paulist’ parts.
Doug,
Why should he keep religion and politics seperate?
Over 90% of this country has faith in some diety and most of them are Christian.
You would be naive to think that the majority of American people think that religion and politics are seperate things.
“It is pointless trying to talk to Doug or MonkeyHawk about this.”
Because we have facts.
“GMC70″ tells us when Mike Huckabee said, “I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ,” the Huckster was lying.
Thanks for clearing that up.
“I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.” — Mike Huckabee
That’s what I would asy to a group of Baptist ministers if I wanted their support. But regardless, in my opinion and that of many others, America sorely needs to get back to values that are traditional American values and happen to be compatible with Christian belief. Leftist ideology in the guise of “freedom from religion” has gone too far.
note: should be kept as seperate things.
Doug,
You don’t have any facts.
You take something said by someone and completely misconstrue what was said.
That is not facts.
Nathan, look throughout history for your argument why politics and religion should be kept separate. Oh heck, just look to lovely countries like Saudi Arabia which blend religion and politics. You are free to move to that utopia any time.
Oh really Nathan? What did Huckabee really say?
Doug,
Government mandated religion should be kept seperate from government.
Saying that all religion should be kept out of politics is your bias against Religion simply because you choose to believe in a puddle of goo.
“traditional American values”
Like wives are the property of men, slavery, genocide, votes for only white men with property, etc?
One traditional American value was not taking time off for Christmas. Is Nathan fighting that war on Christmas still?
“Government mandated religion should be kept seperate from government.”
What a nonsensical phrase. So what did Huckabee really say if his quotes aren’t really his quotes?
“GMC70″ –
You want context? I’ll give you context:
http://tinyurl.com/3396v9
Twist this, “Nathan.”
Damnit MonkeyHawk, you know Nathan hates it when you use facts. Just make a bunch of claims you’ll never support so you can argue on his level. Facts only prove that you are right and in Nathan’s view that makes you anti-religion.
“I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.” -Huckabee
“simply because you choose to believe in a puddle of goo.”
I am deeply offended by that comment. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is most certainly NOT a puddle of goo.
In a phrase, “al dente”.
And RAMEN to you as well.
Nathan:
I don’t think it’s so much Christian bashing as it is attempting to paint all Christians, particularly conservative Christians, as nuts who seek to impose one particular faith on Americans. They want to paint that image for political reasons.
They know that perhaps nothing is so precious to Americans as religious freedom, and forced religion is anathema to us. So if they can paint Republicans with the broad brush of “imposing theocracy,” they can tar the opposition. It’s politics, pure and simple.
I’ll say it plainly. NO ONE with any position of any relevance in either party seeks to overturn the 1st amendment and impose a state religion. We may differ on the exact place of religion in the public square, and those differences are legitimate. Reasonable people may well take differing points of view. Yes, some more conservative elements seek to restore much of the recognition of Christianity and this nation’s Judeo-Christian cultural heritage to a central and prominant place in the public square, including in government. More extreme elements on the left, likewise, seek to remove religion from the public square at all, and tend to focus on christianity because it is the religion most in the public square; that is so, of course, simply because the vast majority of Americans are Christians, of one variation or another. But NO ONE seeks to impose any sort of state-mandated theocracy. This is a secular state, and must remain so, even as we as a people recognize that we are overwhelmingly a religious people.
To claim, therefore, that there is a movement afoot to “impose theocracy” is disingenuous. MH knows that. He’s a bright guy (even if misguided ;-) ), and understands what he’s doing. It’s politics, pure and simple.
If he truly believes that there is any legitimate or relevant force in the right (or the left) seeking to overturn the 1st amendment, he’s consigned himself to the realm of the tin-foil hat crowd, and can be routinely ignored.
That is not to say that we should not be vigilent to preserving our freedoms; of course we should. But the idea at present of any remotely serious threat to the central place of religious freedom in our national consciousness is just plain silly.
To further explore Huckabee’s craziness one needs to look inside his book “Kids Who Kill”. There he said environmentalism is sinful behavior.
So it’s a sin to drive a fuel efficient car to save on gas, it’s a sin to replace your light bulbs to reduce your electric bill, it’s a sin to wrap your water heater to save on your gas bill. It’s a sin to want clean drinking water.
He had this to say about people like me, those who are free of religion:
“Men who have rejected God and do not walk in faith are more often than not immoral, impure, and improvident (Gal. 5:19-21). They are prone to extreme and destructive behavior, indulging in perverse vices and dissipating sensuality (1 Cor. 6:9-10). And they—along with their families and loved ones—are thus driven over the brink of destruction (Prov. 23:21).”
Yeah, but I don’t release rapists to go rape and kill women (who he thinks should be servants to their husbands).
Yup, one certified nut. Why can’t the Republicans present a sane Southern Baptist like Jimmy Carter?
Poor, “GMC70″ –
First he attacked me for quoting the Huckster out of context; adding, “if he really said it.”
So I provided context, not from “The Nation” or some other traditional liberal op-ed piece (which would have let “GMC70″ attack the source rather than the substance.) No, I linked to evangelical Christian Peter Wehner, an insider in George WMD Bush’s Oval Office.
So now “GMC70″ attempts to redraw the argument into some sort of “no candidate has explicitly come out to say we should repeal the 1st Amendment.”
Find a lion, a tin man, and a little girl, “GMC70,” and you can go to Oz; you already have the straw man.
Google “Huckabee, Arkadelphia, and ‘act of God,’” and learn how the Huckster refused to sign tornado relief to Arkansans because he didn’t want to blame his Lord and savior for “acts of God.” (”Acts of God” is a term of art in the insurance business and the only possible way the legislation could be effective is to use it, which the Arkansas legislature did by unanimous vote.”
Nice inclusion of the phrase, “in the public square,” too, “GMC70.” Conjures up images of crazed atheistic pinko-commie liberals denying Christmas carols down near the court house. You’re sometimes really shameless, “GMC70.”
And you’re a bright guy, too. Sometimes. But as they teach lawyers, “When the facts are against you, argue the law. When the law is aginst you, argue the facts. When the facts and the law are against you, holler and bang your fists.”
You’re moving inexorably closer to hollering and bangin on this issue, “GMC70.” Maybe you should silently back away ’til next time.
(Isn’t there a murderer of a co-ed somewhere who you should be playing your most excellent legal mind’s attentions to?)
MH –
Your last post sounds amazingly like just that – banging fists. Or maybe I should say a “banging gong or a clanging cymbal?” Perhaps you can impart with “passion” what you cannot with reason.
Does Huckabee wear his faith on his sleeve? Sure he does. As did Carter, as does Bush, as did Clinton, to a lesser extent. Invoking religious faith in politics is as old as the Republic. Does he do so too much? Whether politically it is too much is up to the voters, of course. If you think he wears his faith too much on his sleeve, don’t vote for him (I suspect there’s not much risk of that!). Has he violated, or appear to be about to violate, any constitutional lines? I don’t think so. And neither do you.
I read the link. Here’s a adviser to Bush, a self-described evangelical christian, who’s uncomfortable with just how much on the sleeve Huckabee’s faith is. OK. But as Mr. Wehner notes, he’s crossed no lines, except ones of “comfort.” He’s trying to appeal to a particular part of the electorate (I know, one you hate), and wears his faith outwardly as he does to do it. Is it legitimate, or political ploy? Only Huckabee knows for sure. Some of it is downright silly (I smirked with the “act of God” thing). It’s hardly a threat to gut the constitution, however.
And we’re both informed enough to understand the meaning of the phrase “in the public square.” I presume most readers here do as well; you insult the intelligence of the readers of this blog by insinuating that there is some nefarious propaganda purpose to the phrase. Nice try.
In fact, it is YOU who have created the strawman, in the form of the spectre of a looming evil presence out there just waiting for the opportunity to tear the 1st amendment asunder. We both know that there is no such threat, at least among ANYONE within the relevant political spectrum. But you continue to use the strawman of such a “threat” to beat up on politicians you don’t like.
And yes, that’s disingenuous. And we both know it.
“GMC70″ –
You “smirked” at the “act of God thing.” I suspect the people of Arkadelphia — who couldn’t rebuild their homes after a Category 5 tornado because they couldn’t get homeowners’ insurance until the Huckster ran out of options and finally allowed the unanimous Arkansas Legisislature’s will to become law — were “smirking.”
You started your participation in this thread by declaring “no one is advocating imposing their theology on the government” (or somesuch). And you’ve been slammed again and again with the Huckster’s real-world real words.
So you’re off — good trial lawyer that you are — to shaving off the nuances of stuff you said and stuff you say you advocate.
I swear, you’re clever enough to twist the language and the issues to the point that, unless a Republic Party candidate *didn’t* write a new “Mein Kampf,” they get the befit of the doubt.
Meanwhile, your fellow camp-followers suspect Senator Clinton might not like the NRA’s profit-driven gun culture and (like “Max”) conjure up images of Chelsea Clinton in jackboots stomping up his porch to confiscate his starter’s pistol.
I realize — suspect, anyway — that you’ve attached yourself to Butler County’s dominant political structure in hopes of acquiring more power. Fine. Abition is a good thing.
And I doubt if anything is gonna change your chosen career track. But if my piddly liberal arts degree can so abash your law degree, you might lower your sights just a bit.
You chose not to address your attack toward me: “…if he really said it.”
I showed you.
You tried the “in context” attack.
I gave you the context.
You backtracked and tried to reframe the argument into some explicit declaration of a candidate to repeal the 1st Amendment.
I called you on it.
You were caught in your rhetorical use of “the public square” and appealed to emotion with self-righteous attacks such as “…you insult the intelligence of the readers of this blog…” in a desperate attempt to win a point you’ve already lost.
Hell, I’m far beyond insulting the intelligence of this blog, what with so many of you cons exhibiting so little.
No. This thread is titled “Huckabee is no nutty hick.” I got in early admitting he’s no hick.
But he certainly *is* nutty.
Or — as you offered earlier — he’s lying.
Good luck with that.
It’s so much easier just to declare victory and move on, isn’t it MH?
Declaring same does not make it so. I’ve dealt with each of your allegations, in turn. And perhaps I presume too much in assuming you understand the meaning of the “public square” reference. I won’t sell other blogsters here short, even if you do.
I’m not entirely sure why you continue to prop up this “theocracy” strawman. The long and the short of it, you seem to claim that Huckabee is bent on imposing a theocracy on America. Despite his at times excessive (yes, I think so too) invocation of religion in his campaign, we both know there’s NO realistic threat of that, explicitly, implicitly, or any other way. How’s that for not “twisting,” as you put it.
You’ve proclaimed the sky falling, knowing it was not, and done so for political gain. And you’ve gone ballistic when I’ve “called you on it,” continuing to ramp up the hyperbole. You’ve even proven Godwin’s law valid yet again with your last rant. Perhaps, acording to the precepts of Godwin’s law, you’ve crossed the line into non-seriousness and irrelevency.
You also attempt to divert attention to “camp followers” and Clinton’s position on guns. That’s not the issue here, and Max is not part of this conversation. Try to stick to the point.
I’m not entirely sure what the reference to “Butler County’s dominant political structure” is about. That seems entirely out of place, and irrelevent to this subject. Again, try to stick to the point.
Passion, you’ve got. Reason, not so much. No, MH, you’ve dove off the deep end, and I’ve drained the pool out from under you. To mix metaphors, quit digging, MH. Put down the shovel.
Butting in just for a second.
Monkey, would you define starter pistol to be 45 ACP or 44 Mag?
(Just giving Monkey a banana to play with)
Bye. Have fun!
Oh, one more thing.
You Libs, complimented and elevated Huckabee because you thought he would be a sure loser if he was to be the nominee. Then when Huckabee got a full head of steam going, you started getting afraid of the monster you had built.
And so now you try to tear Huckabee down.
Tough finding a weak conservative to prop up for Hillary to easily knock down, isn’t it?
Keep pluggin away at Ron Paul, but even you Libs are not good enough actors to pull that one off.
Ok, now I’m leavin.
Bye!
Keep tryin’, “GMC70″ –
You claim, “Despite his at times excessive invocation of religion in his campaign, we both know there’s NO realistic threat of that, explicitly, implicitly, or any other way.”
And you choose to ignore the Arkadelphia “acts of God” fiasco with, in your words, a “smirk.”
There were real-world real people who suffered real consequences due to Huckabee’s theological absurdity.
You came on this thread asserting, with obviously no understanding of the situation, that, “NO ONE with any relevance in the political system is seeking to make the US a theocracy.”
Then, when your virtual nose was rubbed in the Huckster’s s#it, you tried to persuade us the s#it didn’t stink.
I’m sure — gifted and honorable attorney that you are — that you can present the evidence here and now that’s led you to say I’ve “…You’ve proclaimed the sky falling….” (Damned Typekey anyway; I can find no such assertion.) It’s not like you might resort to make up evidence to try to save your case, is it?
As it’s turned out, it’s probably time to end this dialog. People who were involved and attacking me earlier (such as “Nathan”) have withdrawn from the field after have the Huckster’s words revealed to them. People who acknowledge I’m right have no need to hear your squirming defense.
BTW, the Godwin’s Law reference was cute. A stretch, but cute.
You’ve resorted to attack me for “hyperbole” shortly after you defended the Huckster’s “…winning America for Christ” quote as mere — wait for it — “hypebole.”
Buy a thesaurus, “GMC70.” You’re running out of words that’ll impress… well, someone.
You got out of college and law school and passed the bar and convinced some rural county in the middle of Kansas to hire you to spend your days arguing against the facts with a pissant liberal arts graduate instead of, y’know, actually dealing with important cases such as the murder of a co-ed in your jurisdiction. How proud you must be!
There have been a lot of tangents in this thread, mostly started by you, but let’s go back to what started it all:
Mike Huckabee’s candidacy for President of the United States is based on his (and I’m quoting verbatim here) belief that he’s the Republic Party’s candidate who will “…”take this nation back for Christ.”
Good thing? Bad thing? I really dunno. If it means, “blessed are the peace-makers,” maybe it’s good, overall. But that won’t win a Republic Party primary, now will it?
Look, it’s fine if you think the Huckster is the answer. But if your posts are any indication of the kinds questions important to you, don’t ask.
“I’ll say it plainly. NO ONE with any position of any relevance in either party seeks to overturn the 1st amendment and impose a state religion.”
And you became clairvoyant when GMC?
No one would ADMIT to the above. But that does not mean they would not work in that direction if given the chance.
…the spectre of a looming evil presence out there just waiting for the opportunity to tear the 1st amendment asunder. We both know that there is no such threat, at least among ANYONE within the relevant political spectrum.
Posted by: GMC70 | January 02, 2008 at 02:53 PM
You wish. Would you think it unreasonable to conclude that George Bush’s home state is “within the relevant political spectrum?”
Take a look at the Texas GOP state platform (download the pdf).
Safeguarding Our Religious Liberties – We affirm that the public acknowledgement of God is undeniable in our history
and is vital to our freedom, prosperity and strength as a nation. We pledge to exert our influence toward a return to the
original intent of the First Amendment and dispel the myth of the separation of church and state.
–p. 21
The home state of the current POTUS, the most populous conserative state in the US, and the 2nd largest state (by electoral votes), Texas’s GOP has a plank that vows to do away with the “myth” of separation of church and state — and you think linda Monkeyhawk are being unreasonable??
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, …
http://www.texasgop.org/site/PageServer?pagename=library_platform
Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with what Huckabee said. He is free to have those opinions.
Did he turn Arkansas into a church? I mean, after all, he had 10 years as governor. Either he had no agenda, or he was incompetent.
In reality, it’s all about the left getting hit with the relization that Huckabee is for real and changing their strategy of letting him alone. Bring out the straw men and start the fear mongering! No more; please, let it be Huckabee!
I’m sure he appreciates the attention.
In reality, it’s all about the left getting hit with the relization that Huckabee is for real and changing their strategy of letting him alone. Bring out the straw men and start the fear mongering! No more; please, let it be Huckabee!
I’m sure he appreciates the attention.
Posted by: outlander | January 02, 2008 at 06:11 PM
LOL
The “left” will never get their shot at Huckabee. That’s because your side will find a way to strangle him. I’m sure they’d love to strangle him quickly, but if they don’t get him in Iowa or eve New Hampshire he’s still not out of the woods.
There is no way Grover Norquist is going to let Huckabee be your nominee, not without a fight (or a Huckabee 180 on fiscal policy). And if I know Grover, if that means he has spend the CFG’s funds to elect a Dem to run against Huckabee, and take his chances on 2012, he’s just liable to do that.
IF Huckabee wins the nomination, he’ll break apart the GOP for 2008.
Hey outlander?
This is an honest question from an honest sentiment.
Did you see the “floating cross” ad?
The one where the “book case” (Which just happened to be empty and painted white) drifted slowly from over Huckabee’s right shoulder until it was directly behind him?
Now tell me that was just a book case and the whole looking like a big white cross thing was just an accident.
I don’t think you can.
I know I can’t so either way, try to see it my way.
I’m not a Christian. But if I were? I’d find that ad offensive. It is like Huckabee subliminally saying “I am the Christian choice.”
We all should keep uppermost in our thoughts that the POTUS nominates those who get to interpret the Constitution. A Supreme Court Justice lasts much longer than the term of a president and that is how a president can influence laws of our land far into the future. Although there have been some Justices who have disappointed, the vast majority have been of the same philosophies and ideologies of the president who nominated them.
As far as “the argument” which ensued on this thread. No poster has an opinion that isn’t valuable, no poster deserves to be called less than an intelligent person who weighed what was important to them and came to their own opinion on that subject. And there certainly isn’t any poster whose opinion carries more weight than any others. No matter who thinks they can speak for everyone, they just can’t and repeating their own personal opinion in many different words still doesn’t make it superior to another.
I saw the add JR, on his website before the contrived controversy.
I thought it was a nice ad. I didn’t notice the notorious “floating cross”.
I used to live in Arkansas, and with a name like Huckabee, I’m sure he had to fight his way out of the stix. Huckabee sounds like a joining together of hillbillie and hick. Hickabillie. Lets nominate Hickabillie. I’m just giving the huckabee supporters crap, I like the guy alright but not enough to vote for him. He looks like a president in the physical sense, but I don’t care what our president looks like, I care more about whats going on in his/her head, and no I’m not voting for Hilary either.
Funny thing Pedant. I hadn’t heard of Grover Norquist before your post.
Linda: Thank you for your 6:23 post. A good reminder and very well said.
“Max” –
You sorry sonofabitch.
If you’d been keeping track you might have noticed that Senator Clinton is not my candidate.
You’re so afraid of a strong competent woman all your worst fantasies are focused into your worst paranoias.
We promise we won’t send Chelsea in jackboots to confiscate the gun under your pollow, “Max.” Will that convince you to vote against a Republic Party candidate… *any* Republic Party candidate?
Didn’t think so.
It may be time to allow states to secede, according to a new Constitutional Amendment, which would make states nations. Then they could form coalitions, some of them coalescing into regional nations, upon their own self-determination.
Our Founding Fathers formed a nation of 3.8 million people. To put this in context, the newly independent nation had fewer people than today’s Dallas-Ft. Worth MSA. The largest state, Virginia, 745,000 population, had modestly more people than Texas’s FOURTH LARGEST CITY, Austin, 710,000.
The smallest-population state, Delaware, 69,000, had roughly half as many people as the city of Topeka today, and slightly more than Reno or Butler County, Kansas today.
“Max” –
You sorry sonofabitch.
If you’d been keeping track you might have noticed that Senator Clinton is not my candidate.
You’re so afraid of a strong competent woman all your worst fantasies are focused into your worst paranoias.
We promise we won’t send Chelsea in jackboots to confiscate the gun under your pollow, “Max.” Will that convince you to vote against a Republic Party candidate… *any* Republic Party candidate?
Didn’t think so.
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | January 02, 2008 at 07:21 PM
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MonkeyF*cker,
It doesn’t matter which Democrat you support. Hillary Clinton is THE nominee.
Clinton/Obama ticket is already pre-ordained by your party and the Lib press.
John “I Hate All Corporations” Edwards will drop out after Obama kicks his tail in SC.
And MF, it doesn’t matter if you vote or who you vote for anyway. Kansas is voting for the Republican.
Vote for a Democrat? Sure, I’ve done so many times in the past.
I even liked Edwards in 2004. Now he’s become an angry a**hole just like you MF.
The 3 Socialist Stooges leading the Democrat pack today will likely not get the vote of hard working American taxpayers who do not want to beg for a living.
Max?
I don’t think we will be letting you name our nominee.
Go worry about your own. Find the advocate of the scared little white collar toady.
Max is dropping the F-bomb now . . . that’s when you know you’ve won.
Hey, Max, you know who hates Hillary just as much as you seem too?
You’re good friend and political ally: Michael Moore.
Here’s what he wrote on his website–
And yet, I am sad to say, nothing has disappointed me more than the disastrous, premeditated vote by Senator Hillary Clinton to send us to war in Iraq. I’m not only talking about her first vote that gave Mr. Bush his “authorization” to invade — I’m talking about every single OTHER vote she then cast for the next four years, backing and funding Bush’s illegal war, and doing so with verve. She never met a request from the White House for war authorization that she didn’t like. Unlike the Kerrys and the Bidens who initially voted for authorization but later came to realize the folly of their decision, Mrs. Clinton continued to cast numerous votes for the war until last March — four long years of pro-war votes, even after 70% of the American public had turned against the war. She has steadfastly refused to say that she was wrong about any of this, and she will not apologize for her culpability in America’s worst-ever foreign policy disaster. All she can bring herself to say is that she was “misled” by “faulty intelligence.”
Let’s assume that’s true. Do you want a President who is so easily misled? I wasn’t “misled,” and millions of others who took to the streets in February of 2003 weren’t “misled” either. It was simply amazing that we knew the war was wrong when none of us had been briefed by the CIA, none of us were national security experts, and none of us had gone on a weapons inspection tour of Iraq. And yet… we knew we were being lied to! Let me ask those of you reading this letter: Were YOU “misled” — or did you figure it out sometime between October of 2002 and March of 2007 that George W. Bush was up to something rotten? Twenty-three other senators were smart enough to figure it out and vote against the war from the get-go. Why wasn’t Senator Clinton?
Can Max write a post without the word “socialist” in it?
The blog community waits with baited breath . . .
There’s a clue for Clinton in Moore’s statement.
This won’t happen until Clinton get’s behind in the race, but if she does, then she will 1)Come out and say she was wrong about voting for the war, and 2)She’s so sorry she was misled by Bush.
That will ’show’ humiliation, learning, the flawed human side of her, and bring her more of the sympathy vote.
Then she’ll get the nomination, and then get her tail kicked in November.
Only Gore can save the Dems now. And Gore can’t get in unless a double major scandal gets Obama and Clinton both knocked out of the race. (Like Hsu’s plea bargain testimony perhaps.)
Forgot to add this to the above post:
SOCIALIST Dems.
Sorry.
Forgot to add this to the above post:
SOCIALIST Dems.
Sorry.
Thank God, after tomorrow, nobody will give a rat’s ass what anybody in IOWA thinks . . .
Who are you caucusing for, Max?
Or are you one of the 85 percent of Iowans who don’t have the luxury of spending two hours on a weeknight fussing around with an UN-secret ballot?
MH –
Actually, Huckabee’s not my candidate; at this point, I’m still undecided.
Interesting about the Texas platform. I’ll take you at your word it’s entirely true, and no, I don’t buy into that platform.
But we bothknow what party platforms are worth – nothing.
I’ll stand by my position – the idea that anyone remotely near the mainstream of either party is poised to attempt to overturn the 1st amendment is the realm of tin-foil, and asserting same is scaremongering hyperbole.
But you’re free to believe same, if you like.
According to polls, americans are tired of the presidential campaigns and continue to get more tired as we suffer another 10 months of campaigning.
Moore gained insight after his failed Bush bashing. He realized his bashing created sympathy for Bush and he now is doing the same for Hillary. Way to go Mikey.
Huckabee is on Leno right now.
Capn, who said I was going to Caucus?
I’d have to be in Iowa to do that.
No perfect candidates for sure, but at this point:
Thompson is Consistently Conservative. Needs to get some enthusiasm though. (Maybe his hot wife wears him out!)
Romney and Giuliani are about equally flawed, though I like about 80% of each one of em.
Huckabee I like about 70% of him.
Paul, I like the guy, but I think he would have been the candidate for 1908, not 2008. There’s no rolling back government as far as Paul would like to take it. And Paul’s foreign policy is absent – he’s a pure isolationist. (Which in 1908 was a perfect position)
How nice of Huckabee to show his support for working people by crossing the picket line of the strikers writers. He was willing to spit in the face of the writers, so how much will he care about other people’s jobs?
I’d call him slime but he’s just a scab.
Im not at all a fan of Huckabee, but he has as much right to cross a picket line as they have to picket. The attitude of many picketers is outrageous and downright violent. Those who cross the picket lines to work have as much right to work as the ones who picket.
I have been a union member since 91 and I support my unions right to picket and the right of those who cross the line. I do not support violence against those who cross the picket line and I do not support violence against the picketers.
A person needs to do what they need to do, and for some not working is not an option. The strike fund payments, if available, are rarely large enough to pay the basic bills for many people.
In many strikes, the corps have the advantage as they can usually outlast the strikers. In this instance, that is true. They are looking at adding more reality shows (as if we arent overloaded on them already) since writers are not needed.
I watched Leno and Conan; Leno was not that bad, but Conan. If Conan wasnt stoned when he did this show, he should try being stoned on the next one.
Unions are sometimes their own worst enemies; I am not sure if that is true here, but unions dont always look out for the best interests of their members, but the best interests of the union bosses, some of which are in cozy relations with the corps. as seen when the union leadership get great deals while the union members get the shaft.
I dont watch the night laters normally and after night’s episodes I remembered why.
Before crossing the picket line Huckabee said he supported the writer’s strike. The guy flips flops almost as quickly as Romney.
Yeah, those damned writers, daring to demand a small percentage of the billions made online with their work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aafKuD72mFU
I might make a point to boycott anyone who DOES appear on the shows being FORCED to resume by the corporate bosses (excluding Letterman, of course, who made his own deal with the WGA).
But I wasn’t going to support Huckabee anyway. Scab.
GMC, your casting of theocratic intentions as “tinfoil” is going to disappoint the millions of Americans who fervently wish for it.
Whether they will get their way is subject to debate. Whatever.
But your predictable characterization of strongly-held concerns–rightly or wrongly held–as “political” is getting damned old. The Cap’n nailed you on that not long ago, but it seems old habits die hard.
I detest the theocratic view of the First Amendment held by some of the regulars here, but I don’t believe for a minute that it’s all a front to elect Republicans. That’s would be asinine. If they support Christian conservatives politicians it’s because–duh!–they agree with their views.
OOTH, the “swift boat veterans”. . .
Capn, who said I was going to Caucus?
I’d have to be in Iowa to do that.
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Okay, Max. What state do you live in?
I live in Kansas. In fact, I’ll go one better–I live in Wichita.
Rage:
I (thank God) don’t answer to the Capn. Or to you. I’ll continue to call em as I see em, thanks anyway. And the good Capn “nails” anyone only in his dreams.
GMC, Why do you think my honest opinion can’t be anything other than “scaremongering hyperbole?” Why can’t you state your opinion without disparaging comments on a differing one? I’ve read your disapproval when you accuse others of this tactic. Why is it OK when you use it, not OK when someone else does?
GMC doesn’t post.
He outgasses.
Or more accurately he projects.
He feels the need to carry a gun everywhere but chides others for irrational fear of (your concern here).
linda
I don’t think I’ve made “disparaging comments;” if you are personally offended, I’ll apologize. No offense was intended.
I do think that concerns that somehow there is this rising threat of some sort of theocracy is overblown at best, and scaremongering at worst. I’ve said so, and I’ll stand by it.
JR –
I’ll respond to you here when you’re relevant.
Thank you your eminence!
You’re welcome. Just ask next time before you post.
;-)
dis·par·age (d-sprj)
tr.v. dis·par·aged, dis·par·ag·ing, dis·par·ag·es
1. To speak of in a slighting or disrespectful way; belittle. See Synonyms at decry.
2. To reduce in esteem or rank.
Tending or intending to belittle: deprecative, deprecatory, depreciative, depreciatory, derogative, derogatory, detractive, low, pejorative, slighting, uncomplimentary. See praise/blame.
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