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Peggy Palmer’s declaration verges on hysteria, which matches most of her rhetoric. Inaccurate and highly charged statements like Peggy are status-quo from the far-right Republican legislative caucus from Kansas. Her act of trying to get people all up in arms over fear of the boogeyman isn’t working anymore in Kansas. Voters are wising-up to this nonsense.

Hopefully, Peggy will find herself back in Augusta on a more permanent basis after the next state legislative races. Augusta needs someone who will actively pursue partnerships between the education sector, the business sector and the labor pool – and forget about hiding under the bed blathering about the boogeyman.

Kansas has low unemployment and excellent workforce readiness programs. For more information go to the nearest workforce center.

The xenophobes must sleep late.

Riiight, Doesn’t increase the crime rate…wink wink. According to the US Bureau of Prisons, ONE THIRD of federal prisoners are illegals.

Nice assertion there, Phil..too bad you are completely WRONG.

Xenophobes? Are you stoopud? My brothers’ in-laws waited in line coming from Italy just like everyone else ought to do. Quit thinking you’re a do-gooder, Dudley.

Reality is we have illegal criminals in our midst.
We have law-breakers infiltrating our borders.

Some of our bordering states have already enacted legislation which will discourage illegals from
entering their states. Kansas becomes more attractive as other states clamp down.

The majority of Kansans, like America, want action taken to resolve the illegal alien problem. Many are against the higher education resident status Kansas grants illegal law-breaking criminals.

This is the reality.

P.S. It is not “anti-immigrant”.
It is “anti-illegal immigrant”. Why do you people continue to use the wrong terminology?
No need to answer. We already know.

Since most of us have committed a misdemeanor at one time or another, and crossing the border is a misdemeanor, that makes most of us “illegal citizens.” Buck up caca cabezas, it’s only the Indians taking it back.

Most of us have not committed misdemeanors sh*thead, but it should be a felony to illegally enter the US, just as it is a felony to enter Mexico illegally. How does Mexico treat their illegal aliens? Even if one has committed a misdemeanor it does not make them an “illegal citizen”, it makes them a citizen that broke the law, an illegal alien is some one that broke the law by entering this country illegally, then followed by all the other crimes they all commit from welfare and unemployment fraud to identity theft and tax evasion. Maybe we should treat illegal aliens as harshly Mexico. A biochip to control illegal immigration sounds like a good idea.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/165487.html

I just wanted to tell all you conservatives that this liberal agrees with taking a hard stand against lawbreakers/illegals. See? We CAN agree on something. ;)

Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like Mr. Strader why today’s American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.
They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture.
Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity. Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany , Italy , France and Japan! None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini, and the Emperor of Japan They were defending the United States of America as one people. When we liberated France , no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only American . And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country’s flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.

And here we are in 2007 with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I’m sorry, that’s not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900’s deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work, and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life. I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.

In my recent experience, those can’t or won’t argue based on the facts inevitably resort to emotional arguments. Sometimes emotional reactions are justified but, by themselves, are a poor guide for determining policy.

Wake me up when anyone wants to discuss empirical facts, and reasonable solutions. I do happen to agree, e.g., that low-wage illegal workers, like offshoring and out-sourcing, is ultimately harmful to all concerned.

But while we’re getting so upset about the “invasion” of exploited wetbacks, we might keep in mind the continuing tragedy that Juan mentioned above.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31925

Estimado señor Rage
A reasonable solution would be to make a huge effort to enforce existing immigration laws. After all the USA has a very light penalty for this kind of violation that includes a free ride home and the UAS also allows for more legal immigrab=nts than any other country in the world. Is it unreasonable not to reward unauthorized border crossers with amnesty? What about those that did everything the right way stood in all the lines paid all the fees submitted to all the screenings (health, background and fingerprinting)
I have 2 people in my family that have done everything the right way and they value the rights and privileges awarded them for being Naturalized Citizens. As opposed to those that arrogantly defy our laws marching around and waving flags of countries they don’t want to be sent to and at the same time demnding benefits and privileges from American Citizens

Dear Mr. Cuchillofile,

You ask this:

Is it unreasonable not to reward unauthorized border crossers with amnesty?

No, but it is unreasonable to presume that strict enforcement alone is a long-term solution. I also note that I have not once, in 2 years posting here, used the word “amnesty.” The people who came here illegally should have an opportunity to make it right–just as persons who, e.g., fail to obtain auto insurance can go to court, pay their dues for screwing up, and move on. I would note that the much maligned “path to citizenship” is more than we demand of legal aliens but, under the circumstances, it’s appropriate.

Perhaps we are ignoring a ununderlying cause of such tension, also: overpopulation. That, alas, is of global scope.

De reir a cheile a thogtar na caisleain, Cuchillofile.

to make available whatever you’re waiting for more suitable for the line cutters, be it materials printed in a foreign language or whatever

Thanks you for exposing what you’re really all about.

Or do you really believe that that most Spanish-speaking residents are here illegally?

xenophobes ? what kinda idiot thinks Mexico has more wright’s then an American Citizen in there own country we do not owe Mexico a damn thing !!
They will Never be a productive Country as long as they Exist They are and will always be a welfare Nation !! as for saying people are Anti-immigrant
this so called news site needs to research there propaganda a hell of a lot better We The American
people have NO Problem with IMMIGRANTS We have a very big problem with ILLEGAL ALIENS !!!!!!!!!!!

How do you get anti-immigrant from people’s positions against illegal immigration?

Apparently Phillip’s reading comprehension skills don’t match reality.

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Flo Menses
Posted January 9, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

Here are the facts on federal inmates. Mexicans make up about 8 percent of the population.

http://www.ukcia.org/research/PrisonsQuickFacts.html#Ethnic

Read it and weep cacacabezas.

Good one this site is Nothing more then a very Cheap liberal propaganda tool the link to you
so called facts fails to mention that We the American people pay for Mexican Criminals that should NOT be here in the first place !
there is well over 3 million illegal Aliens
in US Prisons Nation wide How many Americans
Are there in Mexico illegally ? FYI 9/11 3000
Americans killed by Terrorist How Meany Americans
Have been Murdered by illegal Aliens ? twenty thousand if not more if An American commits a crime in America they are Americans they will be punished here in America !!

Mierda mouth Ruben
Are you saying the below listed stats are acceptable because you found a statistician to dilute the gravity of the problem with percentages BTW you said those percentages apply only to mexicans what about all the asians and OTM’s

I found this May 2005 report released by the National institute of Corrections (NIC) referring to “Information regarding the criminal histories of incarcerated aliens…” and directed to the US House of Representatives Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims, the Honorable John N. Hostettler, Chairman.

Here’s just a few of the stats noted:

**On the average each illegal was arrested at least 8 times
**About 24% of these offenses (166,054) were drug crimes.
**About 15% of these offenses (103,784) were property crimes such as burglary, larceny, auto theft and property damage.
**About 12% of these offenses (83,027) were violent crimes such as murder, rape, robbery and assault.

These numbers are from 2003 so I just wonder how the numbers have progressed 2 years later!

“I think most of the loudest complainers about ‘illegals’ are those driven by prejudice and ignorance.
My wife is Hispanic (not from Mexico and is here legally). In public her and I will often converse in Spanish. You cannot imagine how many people give dirty looks. Many assume she is a Mexican illegal immigrant, and when I am not around she sometimes get treated as such.”

Wouldn’t be a problem if there weren’t millions of criminal illegal aliens in this country, we didn’t make them break the law and come here, they did it on their own. How do you tell them apart, the legal from the illegal ones? If you don’t want to be confused with illegal aliens a good first step would be speaking English. You act as if it’s an unreasonable assumption, the fact that there are so many Spanish speaking illegal aliens in this country makes nothing more than a simple mistake, although it does illustrate how fed up with illegal immigrant the majority of US citizens are. Spanish was my first language and I hardly speak it, usually to tell some to speak English and when calling home to Spain. I live in Illinois and the leader of the Minute Men here is a Mexican woman, how can that be?

I think the loudest advocates for amnesty, or disguised amnesty are people with something to gain, are illegal aliens themselves, have married an illegal alien, have a bias because they are misguided Latinos and have no respect for this country, it’s citizens and it’s laws.

“Cuchillofile
Posted January 9, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
Sorry Ruben
That was meant for flo Menso
Menso means male idiot in Mexican Slang
and Mensa means female idiot
I always get a kick about people making Mensa bragging rights”

And what does ‘menses’ mean in Spanish?
lol

“And “for all the talk about the ‘invasion’ of million upon million of job-consuming immigrants,” the editorial noted, the nation’s unemployment rate remains low, which indicates that immigrants aren’t stealing jobs but filling them and contributing to the overall economic growth.”
Bu!! $hit there ‘Phillip’.
The new jobs numbers has dropped precipitously and the unemployment numbers are heading up helping to cause billions of dollars lost in stock market value. Where’s your retirement money Phillip?

“brian
Unfortunately there is no comparison given with these facts to indicate whether the numbers are in synch or not with other comparables. For example, what are the same stats for white males 18-25? How about the overall prison population.”

What the hell do the stats for “white males 18-25″ have to do with illegal aliens and the large number of crimes committed by them? We can’t deport them if they’re US citizens (Unless we use Mexico’s “send the criminals to the US plan” in reverse), but we sure as hell as can do something about all the illegal aliens, deport them.

Your logic is ridiculous, a comparison of crime committed by US citizens is about as important and relevant as the price of tea in China. The fact that we already have criminals in the US as well as over crowding in prison doesn’t mean we should compound it with the millions of crimes committed by illegal aliens.

I’ll try a quick analogy, if your car has one flat tire, let’s say it was slashed by a white male 18 – 25 years old, then I walk up, a Hispanic male, and slash another tire is it okay? By your logic it should be just dandy, why should it matter you already had one flat tire.

These criminal aliens start out in this country already having broken a law (by entering), then they use false or stolen social security numbers, evade taxes and many go on to rob, kill, rape and murder.

Why don’t you tell actress Adrienne Shelly that it’s okay to have illegal aliens in this country because we already have crime in this country. Never mind, she was murdered by an illegal alien for allegedly calling him a SOB. Of course we’ll never know her side of the story because he killed her. Could be he just made up the story as an excuse for killing her. Tell her family and the families of the thousands murdered, killed, raped and ripped off by illegal aliens that it’s okay because it’s possible white males 18 -25 are committing crimes, even though you’re not sure about what type and how many.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11082006/news/regionalnews/actress_set_off_illegals_killer_rage_by_calling_him_s_o_b__regionalnews_larry_celona__murray_weiss_and_dan_mangan.htm

“Rage
“Cutting in line” is a flawed analogy and, at any rate, you aren’t going to be able to deport an estimated 12 million people–at least not without spending a huge amount of money doing it.

Once again, I see a great deal of heat but very little light”

How exactly is “Cutting in line” a flawed analogy, just because you typed it doesn’t make it so, how about backing up your statement with a few facts or something.

They’ll self deport if the Government does it’s job (cut off all social services, stop printing material in their language, huge fines and loss of business licenses for businesses using them, no automatic citizenship for anchor babies, etc.), and that will be quite cheap, and it’s a hell of a lot more than 12 million. Then we need to secure the border, build the fence and defend the border. Then we can watch this country prosper as it did before the influx of criminal illegal aliens.

“Rage
It presumes the someone is keeping a running tally of illegal immigrants, and is somehow using that to deny entry to legal applicants. That would be a patently illegal approach.

Then we can watch this country prosper as it did before the influx of criminal illegal aliens.

Hoo boy, that’s rich! If you illegal aliens are cause of all our economic problems, then you’re sleepwalking through history.

By the way, we just started tough employer sanctions in Arizona. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.”

There are less legal immigrant coming to this country because the jobs are taken by illegal aliens and the wages have gone way down because of the illegal aliens. If not for the illegal aliens there would be quality immigrants coming here, ones that want to be here, speak the language (or willing to learn it), that would assimilate and be assets to this country. Immigrants that won’t send all their earnings for back to their countries of origin, abuse our social services and commit thousands of crimes. Here’s a fact, there is a legal way to come to this country and become a citizen. There is a long list of people that have signed up to do so and the illegal aliens that have come here illegally have averted that process and “cut the line”, if they are given “a path to citizenship” (amnesty) they will have effectively “cut the line”. What do you call it when someone gets something that there’s a long line for, first, before others in the line without waiting in line? I’ve always just called it cutting the line, do you have some sort of fancy name for it? We know from the last amnesty that amnesty does not work and only encourages illegal aliens to come.

I speak from experience, having gone to high school here in the United States and then into the work force in the early 80’s. I have seen first hand what Regean’s amnesty has done to wages, job availability, social services as well as how it has encouraged illegal aliens to come here.

“Rage
Well, this is amazing. I have very strong views on a number of issues, but on this one I’m an ambivalent, cautious moderate.

But I guess a yellow shirt looks white against a stark black wall. But then I’ve never cared for black-and-white thinking, either.

I too became an adult in the early 80’s and–you know what?–there were a lot of causes for economic problems in the nation.

But you’re entitled to your religion, I guess. Color me agnostic.”

Your ambivalence would change real quick if someone you cared out was murdered, raped or killed by an illegal alien, then he ran back to Mexico and they refused to extradite him to face trial. Your ambivalence would change if you lost your job to an illegal alien. Your ambivalence would change if you saw how much of your tax dollars were going to illegal aliens.

I don’t care about “a lot of causes for economic problems in the nation”, this is not the topic of discussion, it’s about illegal aliens and they are directly responsible for a great deal of the economic problems in this country as well as a staggering amount of crime. Did you you know that violent crime is three times as high in Mexico (look it up)? Crime is out of control in Mexico, so by that very fact one can only expect all this crime they are presently committing. We need to acknowledge these facts and do something before it gets any worse, if that’s possible.

Since you’re so ambivalent on the issue maybe you wouldn’t mind taking a few illegal aliens in and posting you Social Security number to help them out.

Many are ambivalent until they are a victim of these criminal illegal aliens, stop being so selfish and start being considerate of your fellow countrymen and country.

Brian has trouble with puns.

Theodore Roosevelt’s ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Every American citizen needs to read this!

November 6, 2007: Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) introduced legislation today emphasizing the principles of Attrition Through Enforcement. The SAVE Act will broaden and enhance border security and interior enforcement. With a number of border security Democrats and Republicans already agreeing to co-sponsor, this bipartisan effort may be Congress’s best chance to achieve substantial immigration reform this Congress. (Additional information follows below chart)
The principle behind Attrition Through Enforcement is that living illegally in the United States will become more difficult and less satisfying over time when the government – at ALL LEVELS – enforces all of the laws already on the books. It is also imperative that the government with the full cooperation of the private sector, implements certain workplace enforcement measures. The goal is to make it extremely difficult for unauthorized persons to live and work in the United States. There is no need for taxpayers to watch the government spend billions of their dollars to round up and deport illegal aliens; they will buy their own bus or plane tickets back home if they can no longer earn a living here.

We know Attrition Through Enforcement works because, in states that have passed tough new laws to penalize employers of and deny public benefits to illegal aliens, the illegal aliens began to move out of those states, often before the new laws are even implemented. As it currently stands, almost 200,000 illegal aliens self-deport from the United States every year, but imagine how many more would leave if our government refused to award illegal aliens another amnesty, mandated all employers to verify a person’s eligibility to work here, cracked down on identity fraud and enabled local police to easily transfer illegal aliens in their custody to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials.

Among many detailed border security provisions stressing more agents and better technology at minimal operating costs, the SAVE Act would:
· Increase border patrol agents by 8,000, utilize new technology and fencing to secure the border;
· Expand specialized enforcement programs, such as the “Tunnel Task Force”;
· And, address the “jobs magnet” by strengthening The Employment Verification Program (E-Verify) to close security gaps,
· Address loopholes, and make it mandatory for employers.
At this time the only Kansas representatives Jerry Moran and Nancy Boyda have signed on as CO-SPONSORS of this bill. We need to contact our Representatives and senators and demand that they join to pass this common sense legislation.

Oklahoma HB 1804 – Chapter 112 (Signed 05/08/2007)
This law creates the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act of 2007 and relates to illegal immigration. It restricts access to driver’s licenses, ID cards and other licenses. It terminates several forms of public assistance and places tighter restrictions on higher education benefits and provides for exceptions with respect to emergency care, disaster assistance and certain immunizations. Requires state and local government’s law enforcement to enforce federal immigration law (Memorandum of Understanding). The law makes it a felony to harbor, transport, conceal or shelter unauthorized immigrants and provides for fines. It creates a rebuttable presumption that unauthorized immigrants are a flight risk with respect to bond determinations. It requires the verification of employment eligibility using the electronic employment verifications system (EEVS) and provides for a discrimination cause of action for the discharge of a U.S. citizen while retaining an unauthorized immigrant on the payroll. This act becomes effective November 1, 2007.
de, with respect to the Oklahoma taxable income of nonresident aliens.

What we’re seeing now in the primaries is that the anti-immigrant crowd make a lot more noise than their real support would indicate. Even in the Republican primary, John McCain, whom they despise for working for a sensible comprehensive plan, came out on top. I’m hoping people will see this rhetoric for what it is – overhyped, based on misconceptions, and not a winner.

Kev Are you a lazy person ? Do you even know How
To get a job without mommy and daddy’s help i dont
believe any person like your self has ever paid or
struggled to make ends meet !! You probably had your
mommy and daddy pay your way Through College well
Friend most Americans work for a living they don’t
use others to pay there way Through life ” As for
all that crying about Americans are lazy we have a very low unemployment rate so we can’t be that lazy

“Harold
What we’re seeing now in the primaries is that the anti-immigrant crowd make a lot more noise than their real support would indicate. Even in the Republican primary, John McCain, whom they despise for working for a sensible comprehensive plan, came out on top. I’m hoping people will see this rhetoric for what it is – overhyped, based on misconceptions, and not a winner.”

McCain doesn’t have a hope in hell. A bit early to be posting results after only two states, two states that don’t have a large illegal alien problem, you might want to wait until a few more come in. Besides, the people have already spoken and defeated the shamnesty bills already proposed. The politicians know what we the people, the majority, want, and they have listened for a change. Sure there will be more attempts to pass shamnesty bills but if the politicians want to retain their offices they’ll vote against them.

Let me guess you were telling everyone Obama was going to win the New Hampshire primary and today your making excuses for why he didn’t. One doesn’t know the results of a contest until it’s actually over, just ask Al Gore and John Kerry. A quick look at all the new laws being enacted should tell you all you need to know about what the people want. And it sure isn’t a bunch of welfare grabbing, health care abusing, wage lowering, job stealing, US flag burning, disrespectful criminal illegal aliens with the audacity to demand we reward and excuse their illegal acts.

Immigration fueling huge population jump, study warns

By Jerry Kammer
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

3:25 p.m. August 30, 2007

WASHINGTON – If flows of legal and illegal immigration continue at current rates, they will boost the population of the United States by 105 million by 2060, according to a study released here Thursday.
That growth, coupled with births among current residents, would boost the nation’s population to 468 million from its current level of 301 million, reported the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that advocates lower levels of immigration.

“The central question these projections raise is – what costs and benefits come with having a much larger population and a more densely settled country,” study author Steven Camarota said in a panel discussion that included both a leader in the effort to restrict immigration and a prominent advocate of expansive immigration policies.

Net annual immigration is running at about 1.25 million persons, comprising some 800,000 legal immigrants and 450,000 illegal immigrants. Camarota’s projections include growth only from future immigrants, not from the 38 million immigrants now in the United States.

In the panel discussion, Roy Beck, a former environmental journalist who now heads the grass roots activist organization NumbersUSA, called the report “thoroughly depressing” and said it foreshadows steady deterioration in the quality of life. Beck said immigration-led population growth, which took the U.S. population from 200 million in 1967 to the 300 million mark last year, is the direct result of federal policy directed by Congress. He said public attention in recent years has focused too narrowly on the steady rise in illegal immigration.

“Illegal immigration is a big problem in this country, but it’s not nearly as much of a problem as legal immigration,” said Beck.

His organization played a major role this year in mobilizing public opposition to a Senate bill that would have expanded legal migration as well as providing legal status to an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants now in the country.

“Most Americans are not connecting the dots that the federal immigration program is a federal, coercive population-growth program, which means it’s a federally coercive congestion program,” Beck said.

Demographer Ben Wattenberg, who has long hailed immigration as vital to the nation’s economic and cultural vitality, dismissed fears of a “population explosion” triggered by immigration.

“That is putting into two words something that could be put in one, which is ‘growth,’” said Wattenberg.

Wattenberg said current fears about immigration, centering on flows from Mexico that top both the legal and illegal immigrant categories, are a misguided reprise of similar fears that in earlier times were directed against Germans, Italians and Jews. “There is always in America a nativist, anti-immigrant feeling.”

But CIS executive director Mark Krikorian said the study highlighted the need to inject concerns about population growth into a public debate that has focused too narrowly on immigration’s implications on the nation’s economy and security.

“The population effect – is almost never discussed,” said Krikorian.

Immigration advocate Tamar Jacoby, who did not participate in the panel discussion, hailed high rates of immigration as essential to the nation’s economic well-being.

“Countries that are not growing are not strong countries,” said Jacoby, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute who disputes claims of looming overpopulation in the United States.

“We have a long way to go before we’re an overpopulated country,” she said. “Compared to Europe, we’re a very underpopulated country. Our immigration is largely driven by our economic needs, and if our economy continues to grow, we will continue to need high levels of immigration.”

The CIS study also challenged claims that high rates of immigration are needed to slow the aging of the U.S. population and boost the ratio of workers to retirees.

“Immigrants grow old just like everyone else,” said Camarota. He said the best policy to counter the fiscal effects of an aging population is to raise the retirement age.

On another website I discovered a workable solution to stop illegals.
Post a massive force of Car Insurance salesman on the border. Auto Insurance repels illegal aliens like 2 magnets with the same polarity

Whenever I hear some of you go on and on about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, I am reminded of the Jim Crow laws that made it illegal to be black, and the awful things people did to them. Now we have a new group to hate (seems we can’t get along without scapegoats).
Despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, they aren’t hurting anybody by being here; they add far more to the economy than they use. They don’t contribute to crime any more than any other group and they aren’t drawing as much in welfare as citizens are.
If the Illegal part is what you object to, there’s an easy solution; the process for legal immigration could be vastly streamlined. Currently, it can take decades and thousands of dollars to make it through all the barriers to legal immigration. The process in these days of high tech would only need to take around 90 days and cost only a couple hundred dollars. We would have background checks, photos and fingerprints that we don’t have now, and we would cut much of the illegal flow across our borders for much less money than the fence would cost. We’d also know that anybody coming in illegally was probably up to no good. Also, since these people would be legal residents, employers would have no leverage to exploit them and would have to treat them and pay them and file taxes on them the same as any other workers. That solves a lot of problems right there! You say we’ll be swamped by immigrants? I thought you conservatives believed in letting the market forces do their work? Maybe this would be the time to actually commit to that belief and trust the market.
The choice is simple; you can continue to scapegoat Hispanics and whoever else you want to blame for your own faults, and we’ll all know you’re a stinking racist bigot, or you can believe in the principles of a free America for all.

Kev I Don’t believe A Damn Thing Pro Illegals Supporters Say i Have Heard every Thing About What All Us RICH Americans Do For Cheap Labor But yet Where Not All Rich and 90% of Us mow our own lawns
its a Damn sham that all lazy People say we all need someone to take care of us but yet in many Neighborhoods Throughout This Country most Americans still do there own work ! but yet we still have to hear all this bs About we are so needy for cheap labor that we live pay check to pay check we cant pay for health care. But yet we can pay for lawn care i don’t by that crap ==================================================

Race plays no part in This Mexico is a mixed race
Country My grandfather and grate grandfather fought in ww1 and ww2 both where Mestizos like my self http://dontspeakforme.org/

Mexico is ethnically diverse, and the constitution defines the country to be a pluricultural nation.

* Mestizos (those of European and Amerindian ancestry) form the largest group, comprising up to 60%–75% of the total population.[48]

* Amerindians called indigenous peoples (indígenas) are estimated to be between 12% (pure Amerindian)[81] and 30% (predominantly Amerindian).[48] Indigenous peoples are considered the foundation of the Mexican pluricultural nation and therefore enjoy self-determination in certain areas. Indigenous languages are also considered “national languages” and are protected by law.

* Caucasians make up 9%-15%[48][82] of the population, mostly descendants of the first Spanish settlers, although many have German, French, Italian, Portuguese, Irish, Polish, Romanian, Russian and British ancestry; many are found in major cities[83][84] after the waves of immigration that brought many Europeans at the end of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, along with some Canadians and Euro-Americans from the United States.

Mexico has also received a number of Lebanese, Turkish,[85] Chinese, Japanese[83], Koreans[86] and Filipino immigrants.[87]

Afro-Mexicans, mostly of mixed ancestry, live in the coastal areas of Veracruz, Tabasco and Guerrero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico#Ethnography

Kenny,
“What a crock of bull crap, the only people that would post such ridiculous statements is someone not affected by them, someone that is an illegal, or someone benefiting from illegal aliens, which one are you? A dear friend of mine was murdered by an illegal alien (not Mexican).”

I was born here in Wichita, don’t particularly benefit from them, but I have a friend in north Wichita whom I visit frequently, who has neighbors who are illegal immigrants. These are decent people who are just trying to get along and make a life for themselves and their children. One stops by my friend’s house about twice a month selling quite delicious tamales. Others help my friend out on occasion and some stop by to practice their English. Quite decent people!
Your friend was murdered by an illegal alien. So? I’ve had friends murdered by upstanding citizens who were never even brough to trial! One of the reasons I worked hard for civil rights laws. The Jim Crow analogy still stands; you just proved it!

Actually, Jed makes an interesting point. Getting into this country is hard .

How much of our concern about illegal immigrants would remain if they were legal?

It’s not a trick; just a question, and a legitmate one.

I know I had serious concerns about the increase in H1B visas in the doomed immigration bill. The reason: I could see Corporate America using it a tool to save money at the expense of current high-tech workers (citizens and legal residents alike). The greedheads in charge too often care not only about the bottom line, but only the first quarter.

But you won’t see me bad-mouthing imported workers as if they were some kind of dangerous animal.

“Ruben,
When laws are rooted in ethnic hatred as much as our immigration laws, it’s no wonder that people break them. If the family that I know had jumped through all the hoops to immigrate legally, their children would have been grown and gone by the time the paperwork came through. There is no other reason for such delays except racism. I know people of Mexican ancestry (teachers) who have to carry their birth certificates with them at all times to prove their citizenship. Even so, they get treated like crap by them good ol’ white folks.
Racism isn’t specific. In most cases, it’s hatred and/or ill treatment of anyone of differing racial or cultural heritage. It’s so deeply ingained in American culture that it’s not going to end anytime soon, but it still needs to be fought. If you think you’re safe because you were born here, just wait! They’ll come for you eventually.”

Surprise, surprise, you have friends that are illegal aliens as well as criminals. I don’t believe your cockin’ bull story about “people of Mexican ancestry” have to carry around papers. On the 1 in a billion chance that it’s true, they wouldn’t have to if there weren’t so many illegal aliens from Mexico here, they should join the majority of us that want to get rid of them. There is no right for people from Mexico to come here. If they want to come here they need to follow the rules and learning the language wouldn’t hurt either. Why don’t you explain for us why there are countless Hispanic and Mexican people that are against illegal immigration, Are they all racists? If you go to the proponents of illegal immigration websites you’ll see who the real racists are. I know who the racist is, you need only look in the mirror.

Kenny,
“Why don’t you explain for us why there are countless Hispanic and Mexican people that are against illegal immigration”

Back during the civil rights movement they were called “Uncle Toms.”

Kenny,
“I probably wouldn’t be so hard on them if they didn’t commit so much crime and abuse so many social services, they’re a bunch of disrespectful, ungrateful criminals, I’ll be glad to see them leave.”

You’ve no doubt got the studies to back that up? You bigots can’t even come up with original hate; that’s almost word for word what I heard from your daddies about African-Americans back in the ’50’s. Recycled Rhetoric!

JR,
If these people had any revolutionary hope left, don’t you think they would stay and fight? And given our history in Latin America, what do you suppose our government’s response would be to a revolution (and that’s what it would take) on our southern border? I’d certainly want a change of government in Mexico, but after we sent the F-16’s and tanks to the Federales, I’d hate to see the carnage. And if our government arms their government, who do you suppose will arm the revolution? Fifty years after such a revolution we’d still have a trade embargo against Mexico!

“Now you tell me. How are our own people here in America supposed to compete with these de facto slaves?”

We compete with them the same way we’ve always done it; we raise their expectations to meet ours and make it possible for them to achieve them. Everybody gains then!

“Now I’ve met you and you’re an older guy and I suspect your working life is pretty much done.”

Yeah, I’m a grouchy old fart, but being an artist isn’t a profession, it’s a way of seeing the how world works. I’ve never known an artist who retired, and I don’t play golf or collect stamps, so my working days will most likely last about as long as I do.

Rage,
(1) Historically, it’s meant exponential growth in the economy over the long haul. What it means in the short run is less clear and less stable, but we’ve weathered instability often as a consequence of the normal business cycle.

(2) Given the currently popular view that constitutional rights can only be enjoyed by citizens, meaning preferably native-born white people, It’s going to be difficult to achieve any degree of fairness anytime soon. Historically, every immigrant group has had to endure at least a generation of discrimination before being seen as American. The first restrictions on immigration were directed at Chinese laborers, but was originally motivated by the waves of Irish escaping the potato famine. Italian, Jewish, Polish, Serbian and German immigrants received pretty much the same treatment that Hispanics get now. I’m old enough to remember communities right here that were restricted so that nobody who didn’t have an Anglo-Saxon last name and pale white skin was allowed buy a house there. Even the O’Somethings(those damned Catholics) were excluded. How we overcome that legacy isn’t clear because we’re still working on it, but it won’t happen overnight. Constant correction of bigotry helps.

Police: Chandler Rapist Captured
Man Is Illegal Immigrant Twice Deported

CHANDLER, Ariz. — A suspect in the sexual assaults of several young girls in Chandler has been arrested and police said Saturday that DNA positively links the man to the case.

Santana Batiz Aceves, 39, was booked into a Maricopa County jail in Phoenix on 25 counts of kidnapping, sexual assault and trespassing in connection with the assaults that began in June 2006, police announced at a news conference. They said the most recent attack linked to the case occurred June 8 on a 14-year-old girl.

Police had been searching for months for a man who raped four girls and attempted to assault two others in the Chandler area.

All of the victims have been girls between the ages of 12 and 15, according to authorities.

Chandler Police Chief Sherry Kiyler said Aceves is an illegal immigrant who was deported twice for drug charges in California in 1999 and 2003.

Authorities said Aceves worked as a heavy equipment operator and lived in the area of the sexual assaults for the last 18 months.

Police said all of the attacks occurred within a two-mile radius of the suspect’s rented home, which is located between two junior high schools.

It was not immediately known if Aceves had legal representation yet. A person who answered the door at Aceves’ home Saturday declined comment.

Kiyler said detectives working a saturation patrol Friday morning in the area of the most recent assault spotted a man who matched the description of the suspect and who was driving a white 2-door car that also matched a police description.

The man was released after being questioned, but officers later got a warrant to search his home and obtain his DNA.

He fled when they approached but was captured and the DNA obtained, Kiyler said. That DNA test came back early Saturday with a positive match for several of the sexual assaults.

“We are convinced that this suspect … is responsible for the multiple assaults in our jurisdiction,” Kiyler said. “We are relieved that our community is now a safer place.”

Most of the attacks happened in the early morning hours and targeted young girls after adults in the homes had left for work.

One happened in the evening while the girl’s grandparents were outside. Other attacks are possible but have not been formally attributed to the same assailant.

Police in Chandler and surrounding cities had been warning young girls and their parents about the rapist since early in 2007. Public forums were held at local schools and a reward of up to $50,000 was posted for information leading to his arrest.

Police described a careful assailant who stalked his victims and their families to identify when the young girls were most vulnerable. He would then strike quickly and apparently had his escape well planned.

http://www.kpho.com/news/15036693/detail.html

Illegal Alien Charged In Sex Attack On A.C. Bartender

January 9, 2008

Atlantic City police said they have made an arrest in connection with a sex assault at a local bar.

Authorities said Manuel Mariche is charged with attacking a bartender at Proud Mary’s Bar last October.

The victim was trying to leave the ladies room when the suspect allegedly punched her and then sexually assaulted her.

Police said Mariche, is an illegal immigrant, was also seen robbing the cash register.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/15016791/detail.html

The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=1386104

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare
Although illegal aliens are not generally eligible to collect public welfare benefits, an illegal alien may receive benefits under the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and Food Stamps programs on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. (Any child born in the United States is considered a U.S. citizen, regardless of the parents’ immigration status.) A 1997 General Accounting Office (GAO) report determined that in 1995 households headed by illegal aliens received a total of $700 million in AFDC benefits and $430 million in Food Stamps.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf

Hearing on “Immigration and the Alien Gang Epidemic: Problems and Solutions”

http://judiciary.house.gov/OversightTestimony.aspx?ID=329

Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails (And that’s old, the numbers have doubled, over two million criminals, not including the illegal entry, identity theft and tax evasion.

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05337r.html

http://www.ice.gov/pi/investigations/wanted/fugitives.htm

Tennessee Couple Faces $7,854 Tax Bill Due To Illegal Alien Identity Theft

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002609.html

Firefighter stabbed in Eastie pack attack

A Boston firefighter is mending from what could have been deadly stab wounds he suffered early yesterday morning when he was allegedly jumped in East Boston while off duty by a group of Hispanic males who told him they “don’t want any gringo here.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1048413

There you go Jed, I have a several thousand more similar stories if you need me to post them.

Oh Jed.

You are feeding a problem that IS a solution.

IF the Mexicans are forced to reform their own country, they will in light of their governments corruption tend toward a people directed government.

And that is precisely what American business is afraid of.

Imagine, a nation just across the border where those who make and work and do have power and where those who count and manage are accountable and secondary.

That scares the hell out of corporate America.

Mexicans need to fight their fight and stop sublimating ours.

Kenny,
I bet I can match your illegal alien stories at least one for one with stories about the crimes of redneck racists. And mine are actually true.

“Jed
Kenny,
I bet I can match your illegal alien stories at least one for one with stories about the crimes of redneck racists. And mine are actually true.”

I doubt that, the crime rate among the illegal population is one of the highest rates in the world, but so what, even if you could it wouldn’t be redneck racist it would be African American Males, they commit the majority of violent crime in this country. Just because we have crime already does not mean it should be compounded by millions of new crimes by illegal aliens that shouldn’t even be here. You can’t deport US citizens, but you sure as hell can deport illegal aliens, but I give you two thumbs down for not addressing the issue and trying to change the subject. Crime committed by illegal aliens has nothing to do with crime committed by US citizens.

You haven’t even touched on the amount of money all these criminals (all illegal aliens)cost every US taxpayer or why there are more babies born to illegal aliens than US citizens in the US. Why they can’t afford $200 in Mexico, but have no problem abusing our health care system and getting it for free. Tell me how someone tat can’t afford to pay $200 to have a child can afford to raise it. I’ll tell you, it’s welfare, and we’re all paying the price, and it’s not just one kid, they’re like rabbits.

No one is buying your racist crap, I’ve explained to you before, I’ll try it again, MEXICANS ARE NOT A RACE, it is a nationality. I’m Hispanic and I know many and not a one of them want these law breaking, welfare grabbing, anti American, job stealing, wage lowering, criminal illegal aliens.

On top of that Mexicans are some of the most racist people I know and I know a lot of Mexicans.

By the way the title of the photo at top is in error.

Those people are not “Immigrants”

They are exploited criminals.

JR,
“Because if you are trying to sell me on the benefits of working 16 hour days for a dollar an hour?”

Not at all! I’m selling immigrants on the benefits of an 8hr workday, $16 an hr., and paid vacations, sick leave, medical and a retirement package. Not an easy sale, but eventually I’ll get them to take it.
You’re so busy trying to protect your little slice that you haven’t noticed how much bigger immigrants make the whole pie! Try reading a history of immigration and a history of the labor movement sometime- without them, your little slice would have been a whole lot smaller!

Kenny,
Facts are facts, but when you use them selectively they become propaganda. In your case, racist propaganda. And your denial that hatred of Latinos can’t be racist becaust Latinos aren’t a race? What you racists haven’t figured out is that there really is no such thing as race. It’s something you racists invented for the purpose of directing your hatred anywhere but yourselves. As I said, just keep digging!

Kenny,
While there are many hundreds of semi-autonomous gene-pools, the differences between them are so slight that biologically they don’t constitute “races.” Biologically, we all belong to the same race; Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
What you call “race” is simply a social construct you’ve built around your fear and hatred of anybody who doesn’t look like you. There doesn’t need to be actual races for there to be racists. I’ve seen plenty of racists over the last fifty years, and as a racist you’re pretty small potatos compared to some. You need to do some serious growing up, child!

How Many Illegal Aliens?

FAIR estimates that in 2007 the illegal alien population is above 13 million persons. Government and academic estimates indicate that as of 2006 there were 11 to 12 million illegal aliens living in the United States. The Center for Immigration Studies estimated the illegal alien population at 10 million as of November 2004.

It is difficult to have an exact figure because the illegal nature of their presence prevents any enumeration, but the U.S. Census Bureau estimated 8.7 million illegal aliens were here in 2000, and immigration officials estimate that the illegal alien population grows by as many as 500,000 every year.

Estimated Distribution of the Illegal Alien Population
The nationalities of the illegal alien population in the Census Bureau estimate and INS estimate for 2000 are as follow:

Region/Country
CB Est.
INS Est.

North and Central America
5,312,990

Mexico
3,871,912
4,808,000

Cuba
216,297

Dominican Republic
17,942
91,000

El Salvador
336,717
189,000

Guatemala
238,977
144,000

Canada
156,231
47,000

Haiti
48,003
76,000

Honduras

138,000

Jamaica
37,666

Trinidad & Tobago
44,178

Otr N&C America
345,067

South America
624,419

Argentina
35,958

Brazil

77,000

Colombia
174,786
141,000

Ecuador
105,197
108,000

Peru
68,174
61,000

Otr S America
240,304

Europe
1,113,683

France
36,477

Germany
113,327

Greece
15,507

Ireland
-2,233

Italy
62,456

Netherlands
17,885

Poland
92,684

Portugal
33,874

Spain
23,816

U.S.S.R. (incl. Est., Lat., Lith.)
344,877

United Kingdom
123,246

Yugoslavia
110,280

Other Europe
141,487

Asia
1,363,419

Middle East
114,818

Iran
30,823

Israel
24,372

Otr M E (incl. Afghanistan)
59,623

South & East Asia
1,248,601

China (incl. Taiwan)
226,886
115,000

India
200,306
70,000

Japan
118,357

Korea
182,621
55,000

Philippines
155,239
85,000

Otr S&E Asia
365,192

Africa
243,342

Oceania
47,568

Australia
16,777

Other Oceania
30,791

All Other

795,000

Total
8,705,421
7,000,000

The estimate by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) issued in February 2003 put the number of resident illegal aliens at seven million (as of Jan. 2000), 4.8 million of whom were Mexican and 2.2 million of whom resided in California. That estimate included the annual rate of increase in the illegal alien population — 350,000 with 73,200 (31.6%) of that annual increase taking up residence in California. So, by 2003, the illegal alien population would have increased to over eight million.

The method by which the INS arrived at this estimate was based on data collected as a result of the 1986 amnesty and then relied on Census data and INS legal immigration data and airline arrival/departure records for updating the estimate. The estimate included only aliens who continued to reside illegally in the United States for more than one year. Left out of the estimate were aliens doing seasonal work illegally in the United States and all aliens during the first year of overstaying the terms of an authorized nonimmigrant entry, as well groups of illegal alien residents who were issued work permits under programs such as Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

The 2000 Census, like all previous censuses, made no attempt to determine the immigration status of foreign-born residents. Nevertheless, the results of the Census did contribute to a re-evaluation of the size of the illegal alien population. Most analysts agree that the illegal alien population now numbers more than 10-11 million persons as is shown below.

The first estimates that challenged the INS estimates appeared from labor force researchers at Northeastern University.[1] They estimated in 2001 that the illegal alien population could be as large as 11 million. They later revised that estimate upward to 12 million.

The director of the Census Bureau, when asked about the much higher estimate of the illegal alien population agreed that the 2000 Census data indicated that the illegal alien estimate of the INS was too low, but did not offer a different estimate.

In the August 2001 issue of Demography, immigration researchers estimated the current total population of illegal aliens at 7.1 million, of whom 3.9 million were Mexicans. Also in August, a demographer at the Urban Institute issued an estimate that the illegal alien population was 8.5 million, with 4.5 million of them being Mexican.

The Census Bureau issued an estimate in January 2002 that the illegal alien population in 2000 was 8,705,421. That estimate was based on the discrepancy between the number of foreign-born residents and the number of legally admitted immigrants. Included in that number may be aliens residing in the United States under provisions that preclude their deportation, but who are not legal permanent residents, such as beneficiaries of Section 245(i) petitions, or asylees who have not been in the country long enough for adjustment of status, or Central American beneficiaries of the NACARA legislation. The Census Bureau estimate is preliminary and subject to modification after review of the methodology by interested parties.

An independent estimate by analysts of the bear-Stearns investment firm said the illegal alien population “…may be as high as 20 million people.”[2] This estimate dismisses lower official estimates as being flawed by the non-response of illegal alien to census takers. However, this conclusion misses the fact that the official estimates are instead based on a comparison between the growth in the foreign-born population and new legal immigrant arrivals. This allows the trend in the illegal alien population to be observed despite non-response in the Census.

TIME Magazine in a feature article in 2004 published an estimate of three million illegal aliens arriving each year.[3] However, that estimate was based on a mistaken assumption that a million illegal aliens are being apprehended each year and three times as many avoid apprehension. The actual number of persons apprehended is considerably lower than one million because the same individual often may be apprehended multiple times during the year.

The following table shows estimates of the illegal alien population by state by the INS, DHS[4] and the Pew Hispanic Center[5] as well as the current estimates by FAIR. (Numbers are thousands).

State
INS’92
INS’96
INS’00
DHS’05
DHS’06
Pew’02-4
Pew’05
FAIR’07

Ala.
3
4
24

28
40
55

Aka.
2
4
5

5
5
10

Ariz.
95
115
283
480
500
500
425
475

Ark.
4
5
27

28
40
50

Cal.
1,600
2,000
2,209
2,770
2,830
2,400
2,625
3,470

Col.
35
45
144

225
250
270

Ct.
22
29
39

70
85
115

Del.
2
3
7

28
23
20

D.C.
21
30
10

28
25
35

Fla.
270
350
337
850
980
850
863
810

Ga.
26
32
228
470
490
225
400
440

Hi.
6
9
2

28
28
30

Idaho
12
16
19

28
35
35

Ill.
220
290
432
520
550
400
400
775

Ind.
11
14
45

70
70
110

Iowa
5
6
24

70
70
55

Kans.
15
20
47

70
55
90

Ky.
5
6
15

28
45
40

La.
18
22
5

28
35
25

Maine
2
3
3

5
5
5

Md.
33
44
56

225
250
150

Mass.
65
85
87

225
200
250

Mich.
28
37
70

125
125
200

Minn.
6
7
60

70
88
125

Miss.
3
4
8

28
40
20

Mo.
12
16
22

70
50
65

Mont.
1
1
2

5
5
5

Neb.
6
8
24

28
45
45

Nev.
19
24
101
240

125
175
170

N.H.
2
2
2

5
20
15

N.J.
105
135
221
380
430
350
388
490

N.M.
29
37
39

70
63
70

N.Y.
410
540
489
560
540
650
600
1,110

N.C.
20
22
206
360
370
300
350
385

N.D.
1
1
2

5
5
5

Ohio
18
23
40

125
111
115

Okla.
17
21
46

70
63
85

Ore.
27
33
90

125
150
170

Pa.
27
37
49

125
150
140

R.I.
9
12
16

28
30
35

S.C.
4
5
36

28
55
75

S.D.
1
1
2

5
5
5

Tenn.
10
13
46

125
125
100

Texas
530
700
1,041
1,360
1,640
1,400
1,500
1,740

Utah
13
15
65

70
83
125

Vt.
2
3
2

5

It’s Mexico.