I don’t care what you BELIEVE.

My kid believes in Santa Clause. That’s harmless. So are you.

But.

I don’t want someone like you anywhere near the education system.

And that is precisely where you and creation “science” will remain….FAR away from the education system.

Your “scientific” models you cite there Ron? Did they include all the things J M Walker mentions AND little population reducers like several hundred wars, plagues, mass exterminations, mass starvations, etcetera?

Dinosaurs and man side by side is fiction.

Rant away on more interesting things like the golden spiral or the prevalence of the number 5.THOSE at least are….interesting.

I think someone once posted about an ohmsian argument or some such. You could go that way. The gist was the world was created as if it had existed for a long time. Trees with age rings in the garden of eden and the like.

But dinosaurs and man walking together is where you want me to go.

Sorry. None of my ancestors were there. I won’t imagine it either.

Posted by RC

Wrong: evolutionists and archaeologists now think man has been around for over 1 million years. Not modern man, of course, but his ancestors (hey, might have been that little monkey you look a bit like).

“Demographers have been able to develop mathematical formulas to explain many things. In terms of population, they have taken into account a variety of factors to arrive at an average world annual population growth rate. Factors include average life spans, number of child bearing years, average number of children per couple, mortality rates and other pertinent factors including actual annual population growth experienced over the past centuries. The statistical formula that was developed using all of these factors was .455% as an average annual population rate of growth.”

What it fails to take into account is how violent the earth itself is. There are many geological records indicating ice ages, which, many think, wiped out all but about 1000 humans. Said humans being from an African tribe, traceable today via DNA.

O, except for part four: If the flood wiped out all life but that on the Ark, where did that life come from, and how many people were killed? Could be your millions? How long did they inhabit the earth?

Plus: Life itself was very difficult for early man: Natural disaster (fires, floods, earthquakes, radical temp changes due to volcanic activity, etc.), disease, tribal war over territory. Trying to stay alive was higher on the list than writing, agriculture or city building. Early man was a nomad.

Sorry, dude. I think God made man with the intelligence to figure out mans’ past, and it really has nothing to do with ID. Beside, what the hell difference does it make if mans’ 500, 5000 or 5,000,000 years old? Do you really think God gives a crap? Now that’s arrogance.

What you are trying to do is to know and predict the mind of God.

I’m sorry, but that is not possible, nor will it ever be.

I still have my views on creation and how evolution fits inside of that concept.

I can’t prove it, nor do I need to it. My faith carries me through.

However, I do depend on science to explain what is in front of me and what is around me.

I don’t use science to predict what is beyond me that cannot be known.

That’s where you and I differ.

This place is about mind control and the governments trying to do the same. This is way far out wing-nut cracker crap. If that’s all the ID crowd has to offer, then their trip to the edge of the world should go quite swimmingly.

You are considered a crackpot on this blog. Take your creationist garbage somewhere else.

Long live the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

It’s pretty MUCH just me and you “here” on this thread for about oh 4 days now.

Dumbing down my posts? More like winding down. I’m just carrying you another couple rounds you haven’t earned so you can make yourself an even BIGGER fool.

Look around. SINCE you made your “dinosaur and man footprints found together” post, well it’s got pretty lonely for you hasn’t it?

Hey I started OUT kind enough. You made an extraordinary claim and I invited you to give evidence.

Now the claim you make? That dinosaurs walked alongside man? Well that sort of news if even REMOTELY credible would shake the world. YOU make me go looking for it with a link you want me to type in? Weak.

Extraordinary claims require at least MARGINAL proof.

Oh and your worry as to students being exposed to alternatives?

Let me share a little story with you.

First, let me introduce myself. I’m 40ish. Very little exposure to church.

Junior high science 19late70’s Teacher asks “How many ribs does a woman have?” The class AND me answers in unison “14!” (That may not be correct now. But me and the class were correct then whatever number we said.) So then the teacher asks “And how many ribs does a man have?”

“13!” I and the class answer.

(Again, my memory may have failed on the number.)

SEE? The whole class and even me were using our religious biased answer to a basic anatomy question. The Adam’s rib bit? Yeah. Now I don’t have any PROOF of that. But I did spend the time to type it. That lends me a little validity I think. I’ve no record here for outright lies.

So ya see? I don’t have any fear at all that your take on “science” aint getting a fair hearing. I personally know better.

If anything, religious dogma is TOO persuasive in American culture. A class of 25 kids gets a basic anatomy question wrong because of it.

Now if you have PROOF that you want to lay out that dinosaurs and humans walked together? What are you shy? Fine post your proof here and I will get the story on every format on the planet. But first ya gotta convince me.

And unless you have that or better or can otherwise amuse me, it’s time for me to be merciful and let ya hit the canvas.

Evolution is taught in schools because science is taught in schools. Creationism and intelligent design are components of faith. Teach them away!

In a church.

We will not be teaching them in school again. Live with it. You will sleep better.

Your link is no good. Tried clicking it. No dice.

This does not surprise me.

Go read old Ally oop comics.

Humans and dinosaurs at the same time. Ludicrous.

Got a link?

Second call.

Extraordinary claims require at least some substantiation.

Humans a dinosaurs living side by side?

Only on “The Flintstones”.

Say hi to Betty and Barney for me.

Loon.

One must be skeptical to be a scientist. To swallow something whole without even witnessing and event or seeing it in person is not first hand knowledge.

That, within itself is a dangerous path on evidence that cannot be repeated – You know – scientific method.

Wasn’t even close.

I don’t know about those other place, I mentioned I Texas only.

But nice try – do you tap dance as well?

It must be the Christmas season.

I went on a tour of that area when I lived in Texas and the footprints are definitely not human.

The depressions are natural erosions. In fact, our teacher at the time took as to a local stream and showed us similar looking footprints in a newly formed stream from a flood. In those “prints” there was a heel and a front part of a foot. Looked convincing, but the formation was provided by a rock for the heel and the front part was when the water rushing around the rock made divots.

I forgot the specific term for the geological erosion, but it does have a name.

Don’t believe me? Experiment with it yourself – water hose and dirt are required for your backyard experiment.

I went down to Glen Rose, TX to the Dinosaur Valley State Park to examine this myself. The only human footprints were of tourists. The supposed fossilized print was of a dinosaur which was prevalent in the river bed. What the creationists claim is that humans used to have a toe sticking out of the back of their heel and three toes in front. That’s not a human footprint.

What is there to deny? Certainly not the fact that creationists are liars.