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First post!
How about a political scandal? The memorial fund for Todd Tiahrt’s dead son, which raises funds to prevent teen suicides, used part of it’s tax-deductible funds to finance Bonnie Huy’s failed 2006 campaign.
http://www.maggotpunks.com/mp.html
It doesn’t involve a Democrat using his penis so it should be ignored by the corporate media.
Merry Christmas — 3rdSunday in Advent!
Online Library Gives Readers Access To 1.5 Million Bookshttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071204175905.htm
Come on folks. You all know that this little incident that Morrison is having is that nasty Christian, Phil Kline’s fault. He set this whole thing up for Morrison to get involved with Carter. It’s just like the VRWC did to Bill Clinton with Monica. I just wonder though how did he get her to have the affair before the election. Did he know that Morrison was going to win the election. Well maybe this will all come out with Kline’s investigation of harassment and blackmail. Are these activities still illegal? It’s a safe bet to assume that the Governor’s minions will sweep this under the rug.
Homeschooling is beginning to emerge as an important new paradigm in high-level academic preparation.
More than a decade ago a homeschooled student raised eyebrows in winning the Scripps Spelling Bee. Was it a fluke? Nobody knew. But shortly thereafter homeschooled students consistently began showing up in the finals.
This year, 1st, 3rd, 6th and 8th place went to homeschooled students. Four (4) out of 10 winners were home, schooled, a 2:3 homeschooler : conventional student ratio.
What makes this worth noticing is that homeschooled students constitute only about 1 OUT OF EVERY 60 students in America.
In the initial county competitions, there are usually several dozen conventionally-educated contestants for every homeschooled student.
Homeschooled students disproportionately win county, then state contests, and are highly disproportionately represented in the national finals. Moreover the national top-ten placement mean for homeschoolers was 4.4 (fourth-fifth place), while it was 5.8 (fifth-sixth place) for the conventionally-educated winners.
The Scripps Spelling Bee isn’t a rote-memorization contest of 1000 words, 10,000 words or even the 500,000+ words Websters Unabridged Dictionary. To win, students learn pronunciation and spelling (phonemic) correspondences, in Latin, Greek, Modern Romance languages, German, English, Japanese, Chinese and Russian. They learn to do multinational language analysis, starting at age 9-10. These kids spend a lot of time studying as precocious lexicographers.
——————————–A home-schooled 13 year old won the National Geographic Spelling Bee this spring. This contest requires study of news articles, magazines, encyclopedias and atlases, with comprehension of events and their places. The finalists have amazing “mental maps”.
What is more interesting than this however, this 13 year old also won an honorable mention in the USA Mathematics Olympiad, which the Mathematical Association of America announced was one of the youngest students ever to do this. There is a high probability that he will go as a member of the US team to the International Mathematics Olympiad within 2-3 years.
—————————One of three Intel International Science and Engineering Competition winners was home-schooled. His entry was “Nanotubes are Thermodynamically Soluble”, a project he entirely conceived, then contacted researchers on his own initiative for information and advisement, and carried it out using instruments he designed and built, one of which some researchers are interested in using in their own work.
This 15 year old was the youngest Intel winner the other two being 16 and 17. He started the project at age 13. (Prize: a $100,000 scholarship)
Unlike most high-performing kids who apply to the Ivies, and HOPE to get in, in this student’s case MIT, Stanford, Harvard and Princeton will be competing to grab HIM.
Harvard was the first frontline university to experimentally admit a home-schooled student in 1980. As he fit in well, his two younger sibs were tentatively admitted. (Outcome: 1 MD, 1 Lawyer.)
This encouraged other Ivy League universities and Stanford to also experiment. They could do this, because unlike public universities, they didn’t have state-formulated admissions-qualification requirements–they were free to admit anyone they wanted to– and unlike less-prestigious private colleges and universities, their essential missions were to break paths for other institutions to follow.
All these trial experiments succeeded. Not every single last homeschooled admit proved compatible, but the vast majority did. Today Stanford gets applications from, and admits so many homeschooled students, that it has an assistant dean of admissions just for this group.
All regular colleges and universities today admit home-schooled students. Some private institutions are a bit conservative and are still in their own early-experiment phase, and have only a handful (or fewer) home-schooled students, while others are admitting 10-20 or more annually, and are basically in a sustained enrollment-growth phase.
Emporia State “welcome[s] homeschooled students”. (sic ESU admission FAQs). Which is notable as ESU is the grande dame of Kansas public teachers colleges.
Why have what were once experimental trials in homeschool admissions become conventionalized? For several reasons. Direct observations of these students by higher educators have found homeschooled students to be:
1. Noticeable self-starters who don’t need “hand holding” or repeated reminders or counseling to keep them on track.
2. On-time and typically early completers of term papers and other extended-period assignments that conventionally-educated students usually procrastinate in starting and finishing. To wit, home-schoolers’ work habits in the majority, are equivalent to those of the best-habits-minority of conventionally-educated students
3. Capable of adjusting to a challenging environment quickly, which has drawn faculty attention because these students have no previous institutional-dealings experience.
4. Noticeably more mature than public-schools’ graduates,
5. They adjust well socially with smarter, more mature, open-minded and thoughtful conventionally educated peers.
Someone mentioned home-schoolers not communalizing with other students. This is not the case in the upper-level private universities and colleges that invest in their students’ success. They want kids who socialize. These institutions are very network-oriented, which is how their students get placed in very competitive grad schools, professional schools and well-paying career opportunities.
My son ran for freshman class president. He lost, but got out on the hustings and garnered votes. Worked in the snack shop and schmoozed. Tutored other students. Went to Scotland where profs took him and his friends pubbing and down to London to see interesting landmarks. The students had a flat and made dinners for Scottish students and profs. A half-dozen friends took getaway weekends to Spain and Amsterdam. He met his grandparents in London who introduced him to other septuagenarians, and you could tell from his grandfather’s report that he was proud that his grandson connected well with elderly people. Did paintings and photos that were selected for display by his school. Wrote for the school literary magazine. Did fill-in stints for the school radio station. Went to NASA and Alaska for research. Taught school in Ethiopia with classmates.
Today he loves living in New York City. To live happily in NYC, you have to be capable of dealing in a friendly manner with people of diverse backgrounds and viewpoints. Oh, not to mention he has given me some great investment tips that a few Wall Street investment-firm friends have given him.
6. Many professors find home-schoolers interesting and engaging—enough to inspire growing numbers of university and college faculty families to try home schooling themselves, having enjoyed eye-opening relationships with home-schooled students.
What we are witnessing is influence-wielding as home-schoolers are causing substantial perceptual changes in society at large.
The really neat thing is that growing numbers of families are transforming from being passive consumers of education to producers of education. This is very liberating.
Some people really like anti-government stuff. If I have to pay taxes for it, then let the kids go to public school!
If somebody wants to send kids to private school, fine. If they want to home school them, thats fine too. But dont let them look for government handouts, because they are anti-government!
Taken to ridiculous ends, that might mean we dont like government stop lights, so we will form our own stop light company. Or our own postal service. Or our own highway association.
I know, that sounds ridiculous, but that is about what home schoolers and private schoolers are trying to do to the public school system. We should be working to improve what we already have, instead of looking for something different.
John Bolton opines on Bush foreign policy. That dude was much scarier than any of us knew.
********BERLIN (Reuters) – President George W. Bush’s foreign policy is in free fall and puts the nation’s security at risk, former ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton told a German magazine on Sunday.*********
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071216/pl_nm/usa_bolton_dc_1
Bolton is a classic example of the thinking of “Just because there is no proof they are, does not mean they are not”. We as the last super power have the right and the responsibility to invoke our will on the world. That is his thinking and he is wrong, when you put yourself as a threat to everyone you make yourself the enemy of all.
John Bolton is to the United States as Fred Phelps is to Christianity.
Deeply concerned about the prospect of failure in , the Bush administration and NATO have begun three top-to-bottom reviews of the entire mission, from security and counterterrorism to political consolidation and economic development, according to American and alliance officials.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/washington/16afghan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Failure? FAILURE?!?!?Since when did that become an option? Why are we not committing more troops? Oh yeah, I forgot. Our troops are tied up in Iraq (the war we didn’t need to fight).
Throughout history, Afghanistan has become a graveyard for invading armies. Could they possibly do to us what they did to the Soviets?
Armed with the greatest military force on the planet, the Bush administration has managed to screw up not just one, but two wars against third-world countries.
Left out “Afghanistan” in the first line.
When you have a one on one student-teacher ratio, you’re bound to have superior teaching. That’s nothing new, or surprising. Tell me though, how are you going to home school your kids when both parents work?
Door King you are right in one aspect. When both parents work it can’t be done. In my son’s case they sold a bigger house and moved into a smaller one they could afford on one salary so they could home school. Their kids are very social. Their 12 year old daughter is a french horn player who played first chair in the middle school symphony orchestra. Their 9 year old son writes computer programs in his spare time.
Another home schooled: I have a great niece who has been playing violin/fiddle with fiddlers at Silver Dollar City and on the stage with Southern Missouri State orchestras since she was 4. She is now 8 and you can see her play on the attached link.
By the way they are all at least 3 years ahead of their class in most subjects, further ahead in some. Very social and the most polite kids you could ever hope to meet.
http://www.ky3.com/younews/11002446.html
Sometimes sacrifice is required but the prize is the kids you help develop.
Often when a new scandal breaks in the political realm, it is half the frustration and half the funnies.
Just what will be the answer from those puts in a bad light, I watched Kit Bond on Cspan’s “newsmakers”.He did not address the right or wrong of water boarding, but argued the degree of water boarding. As if somehow the degrees makes a difference. “There are many forms of water boarding” were his arguments, in addressing the right or wrong of it. Sorry but there are just something’s that can not be addressed in degrees as to the right or wrong of an action. They always come out sounding as ridiculous as saying there is degrees of child rape as a explanation for the action. Tied the child down is worst then just holding them down. Using a weapon to get the child to lay still is different then just talking them into lying still.Water boarding is either torture or not, it is legal or illegal, no matter how it is done.
XXX some days ago when I watched an interview with a reporter that imbeds himself with a unit deployed in Afghanistan. And he said that front line positions are attack an average of thirty times a day. It told me that there were more concerns in Afghanistan then Iraq. Also the situation in Afghanistan is more suited to what our military handles best. History has shown that overwhelming military force has never worked against terrorism. BUT works extremely well against frontal assaults, which seems to be more the case in Afghanistan where the real war on terrorism is happening.
14 states reject funding for abstinence-only programs.As evidence mounts that abstinence-only sex ed programs are ineffective, the number of states refusing federal money for these programs has “jumped sharply in the past year.” The Washington Post reports:At least 14 states have either notified the federal government that they will no longer be requesting the funds or are not expected to apply, forgoing more than $15 million of the $50 million available, officials said. […]Until this year, only four states had passed up the funding.“We’re concerned about this,” said Stan Koutstaal of the Department of Health and Human Services, which runs the program. “My greatest concern about states dropping out is that these are valuable services and programs. It’s the youths in these states who are missing out.“
Well I will see how this goes, I log in to my typepad account. Maybe now I will quit being taken as a bot and have to fill in the blanks.
Another person kills in the name of Christianity:http://news.independent.co.uk/world/australasia/article3253070.ece
This time the Christian fundamentalist was upset that the other guy accepted the scientific fact of evolution. As is often the case with stupid people he couldn’t rebut scientific fact and responded with violence as is the nature of fundamentalist Christians.
hee hee hee hee heeeeeeeee……
“John Bolton is to the United States as Fred Phelps is to Christianity.”
Damn Dawg, THAT’S a good one!
Oh, and btw, hello from sunny and warm Texas! I’m blogging from, as CF2K would say, an undisclosed location on the gulf coast.
Sounds like I escaped western Kansas just in time. I had coffee on the patio yesterday in shorts and flip flops. Went to a swanky party last night where everyone waiting on the valet parking que was WHIIIIINNNING about the cold.
Big eye roll. It was a whopping 45 degrees. They were wearing hats and gloves. I was in long shirt sleeves.
Hehehehehehehheeh…..
hee hee hee, and just to rub chile poweder in the wound, I had REAL Mexican food three times in two days.
And Solly, this is for you. They served those warm, fat and fluffy tortillas with the barbacoa.
How’s Michigan dude?
I know, I know, no one likes a smartass.
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Hope you’re having a great time, KFG… good to hear from you!! Take care down there!! And safe journey back home!!
He was found guilty of manslaughter but acquitted of murder, and ordered to serve at least three years in jail. The judge said he was giving him a relatively lenient sentence partly because of the accidental nature of the stabbing
“I do not believe that he took aim, but rather thrust out,” he said. “I think he knew that the knife was in his hand … but he did not actually turn his mind to the potentially serious consequences of doing this“.
That is like back in the eighties when I finger printed this guy and he had been charged with attempted 1st degree murder. The next time I saw him he was on work release and I was puzzled. I had to ask how he got on work release with such a serious charge?“Oh I plead guilty to battery”, he replied.Again puzzled I had to ask how he managed that?“I have Vern Miller as my attorney” he then looked about and said “but I was not trying to hurt the guy. I was trying to kill him, shot him three times but the SOB would not die!”. LOL I have not heard much of ole Vern… I wonder if he now lives in New South Wales?
Hey KFG, yeah -yeah- yeah love hearing about how other are in a warm place! While I set here with a space heater to warm my upper body and a heating pad to keep my feet from freezing. Have a great time and make sure to be back before the spring thaw!
Anybody notice how we got a lousy pick on football games today?? i thought sure we would get at least ONE decent game…
Good to see you farmgrrl! I’ve missed your posts which are always informative and fun — a rare treat!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/ter-grigoryan1.html
This is an open letter to fellow Republicans as to why they should support Ron Paul for President.
No I did not write it, so maybe it might be interesting reading.But these are stronger arguments then the other candidates Republican or Democrat has.
Sometimes sacrifice is required but the prize is the kids you help develop.
Just so you don’t want money from the public till to do it, whatever floats your boat.
“As is often the case with stupid people he couldn’t rebut scientific fact and responded with violence as is the nature of fundamentalist Christians.” -Doug
Doug: You are such a weener. And it is so easy to refute your posts. But if it gives you the release you need so you don’t go off on someone, this forum has served it’s purpose.
Back to refuting, using your logic,all atheists as are stupid, cold blooded, heartless as the Colorado church shooter. You know, the one who the security guard, bless her heart, blew away.
Personally, I don’t believe that about any group.
Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that someone sometimes read your crap.
Regards,
outlander
Doug: “How about a political scandal?”
Perhaps we can both agree that we need more transparency in political contributions? Unfortunately, neither the Kansas Governmental Ethics Commission nor the IRS seems to care much about non-profit money flowing into politics. For much of 2007 I’ve been trying to get the IRS to look at Kansas non-profits that used money politically but have not filed any non-profit reports with the IRS. These groups are known to have spent nearly $450,000 on politics last year but the IRS doesn’t make them file an IRS 8872 or IRS 990 as a non-profit?
I was able to verify your report of the $75 contribution from the Luke Tiahrt Memorial Fund to Bonnie Huy. The entry is on Schedule B for “In-kind Contributions” on p. 5 of this PDF:
http://ethics.ks.gov/CFAScanned/House/2006ElecCycle/200601/H087BH_200601.pdf
It’s unclear what such an in-kind contribution might be for, but if this contribution was from a 501(c)3 non-profit, it shouldn’t be flowing into a PAC or a campaign account.
I cannot find the $500 you say the Heart PAC contributed to Huy in 2002, but I found three $500 contributions from the Heart PAC to Huy at later dates: 9/10/2004, 7/26/2006 and 8/21/2006.
While we’re on opposite side of the political fence, perhaps we can agree to push for reforms in campaign finance reporting both in the Kansas Legislature and the U.S. Congress.
Personally, I don’t care how much anyone spends as long as there is full public disclosure prior to elections so that voters know who is behind an issue or candidate.
“You like to fire assault weapons? I have a place for you. It’s not in the homes and streets of America. It’s called the Army, and you can join any time!”Wesley Clark
“There is no right to have access to the weapons of war in the streets of America. For those who want to wield those weapons, we have a place for them. It is the US military. And we welcome them.”John Kerry
“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA. Ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State.”Heinrich Himmler
Heckler, if you can actually think you can justify the use of assault weapons — weapons of war — on the public streets, by ordinary citizens, then I have a few real good psychiatrists I can recommend to you. That is just sheer lunacy!
BTW, Himmler’s quote is for “firearms” not assault weapons. And Nazi Germany was a totalitarian dictatorship. We arent! Your use of Himmler is nothing but a garbage quote –
Keeping and bearing arms is one thing… but keeping and bearing weapons of war — thats another issue… Neither Clark or Kerry are complaining about typical 2nd Ammendment rights… Keep the facts straight Ma’am — errr Sir…
I fail to see an argument for private ownership of assault weapons.
Are those who want them incredibly bad shots when hunting?
Do they imagine they or their home will come under assault by a platoon of evil doers?
What about automatic shotguns? :)
I 24 shell rotary clip would be handy. :)
On taxation for people who homeschool and use private schools, let’s think lucidly. Suppose you buy a cheap used car. You pay less in vehicle sales tax and reg fees than people who buy more expensive cars. If you buy a high mpg vehicle, you use less gas and pay less fuel taxes.
People pay property taxes, even renters, indirectly. They pay these before their kids are school age and long after they are school age, at which points they are subsidizing other people’s children’s public education. Public schools also use federal monies whose source is income taxes. Fine. There’s nothing wrong with people who don’t use public schools at all to nevertheless help pay for them. But by the same token there’s no logical reason that non-users cannot receive some partial tax credits during the time of their children’s education. Afterwards, their payments resume being regular full payments.
This should make sense to public educators, because for example, a family’s tax reduction of say $1500, would be a far smaller revenue reduction than the cost of their children’s being in public schools, at $7000-$10,000 per student. It’s a win-win situation for both families and public schools.
I wonder if rose-coloring costs extra for glasses now days?? Public Education is PROVIDED to the Public. Has been for years! It has also been possible for years, to use private education, IF you can pay for it. IF you choose to use private education, or home schooling, that should not interfere with your paying property tax that goes for school funding. As you rightly pointed out, even those long retired, are still paying for public school funds through their property taxes.
To stretch your analogy, the older folks should get a tax break as well, since their children no longer use the system. And that wouldnt work either.
So, to allow home schoolers or private schoolers to avoid property tax for education, just isnt viable option. If for no other reason, much of Private education is church-based… And that would technically be giving people money to use for a religious endeavor.
Yeah, and gay people in Kansas shouldnt have to pay ANY taxes, state or national, since we do not have equality or equal protection under the law.
Ok, I’m in!
There are no gay people in Kansas.
Ahkantdomyjob in Topeka says there ain’t any gay people that are recognized under the laws of Kansas.
568 Verbal and 532 Math, above the national averages of 505 Verbal and 514 Math. …www.hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200105070.asp
Homeschoolers apparently do better than the national average, but considering that I scored 660 verbal and 680 math on the SAT’s in a big typical high-school and lettered in three sports at the same time, that doesn’t really impress me too much.
Also, given the fact that homeschooled kids are going to be from wealthier backgrounds, because both parents don’t have to work, you’re comparing SAT scores of wealther kids to SAT scores of ALL kids.
Control for socio-economic status, and the SAT score difference would probably disapper or be to the public school advantage.
MPS just wants to show everybody how well-off and smart he is and how he and his family are just better than the rest of us.
Save it. We’ve heard it before.
Just out of curiosity, how many OTHER people’s kids have you home-schooled, MPS, and for how long?
Yeah, that’s what I thought . . .
What did you get for your critical reasoning score Capn? :D
Didn’t have it back then . . .
Cap the wealthy name doesn’t stick for many of the homeschoolers I know. They are just normal families who choose not to send their kids to public school. They also couldn’t afford public school.
I see that a couple of our best socialists got their panties in a bunch over some other socialists mentioning “assault weapons” despite the fact that they can’t define one.
Gotta defend those fellow travelers ehh? By ridiculing those who wish to have something that scares you?
Couldn’t afford “public” school?
I think you had a Bush moment there, ksgrm.
You must have meant of course, private school.
And no doubt, when one doesn’t work, the family is poorer for it.
*****
Heckler–
I’ve stated many times that the assault weapon ban was a dumb idea that only affected cosmetics.
However, I would like to see a ban on that .50 caliber rifle that can bring down aircraft. The second amendment shouldn’t cover “light artillery.”
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29386
We Did It! 50,000 signatures calling for immediate Cheney impeachment hearings collected in 1 day!Submitted by dlindorff on Sun, 2007-12-16 14:36. Activism | Impeachment | Media
It’s not being reported in the corporate media, which also refused to publish an opinion piece penned by six-term Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL), Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), and Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI). But a whopping 50,000 people responded in just one day to Rep. Wexler’s call for people to sign his on-line petition supporting an immediate start to hearings on Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s Cheney Impeachment bill (H Res 799)
As of Sunday morning, 54,000 people had signed the petition at http://www.WexlerWantsHearings.com calling for action now. And names are being added at a rate of one every one or two seconds!
Wexler has said he wanted at least 50,000 signatures. But why stop there? If people get behind this, and if the impeachment movement spreads the word, he could easily get closer to 500,000 signatures over the next few days.
And if each of us were to send out a call to sign to ten of our friends, then we’d have half a million signatures, which would be hard for Conyers and the Democratic leadership, Speaker Nancy Pelosi included, to ignore.
Also, given the fact that homeschooled kids are going to be from wealthier backgrounds, because both parents don’t have to work, you’re comparing SAT scores of wealther kids to SAT scores of ALL kids.———–
That doesn’t make any sense. We have a few families in our church that home school, Capn. They are not wealthy! In fact, most make a big sacrifice in terms of income to home school.
It’s priorities, not income that make the difference.
Wow! 500,000 signatures! Assuming they are all valid (no way to check) that would mean around 1,800 from Kansas. Figure to be less than 150 in Wichita.
Yep, that’s about right. Not to impressive when you put it in perspective.
500,000 in ONE DAY.
They just started.
“We have a few families in our church that home school, Capn. They are not wealthy!”
Agreed, outlander. The key word was “wealthiER.”
If they were really poor, they couldn’t do home-school, could they.
They’d have no choice.
The fact that they have a choice means they are wealthier than the people who don’t.
“Big Ears” Waxler is going to fall flat on his over sized ego.
Signatures don’t mean squat.
Yeah, neither do votes to RepubliCONS . . .
Hank, Kansas, now don’t belittle the desires of the 500,000. After all, that is almost .16% of the American people!
And ignore those national polls putting Cheney’s approval rating at 18 percent.
Means nothing, if you’re a CON . . .
I apologize Capn.
You convinced me. I’d really like to see impeachment hearings take place on Cheney.
He’d show those idiotic democrats up for the nitwits they are.
I signed the petition. Joyce wouldn’t so I got Samson and Boo Bear to sign it too. The Schnauzer wouldn’t let me sign her up and Joyce said that since the rescue dogs Buster and Trouble weren’t registered I shouldn’t make a sham out of the petition by signing them up too.
If it turns out to be a spam generator Phillip Brownlee might have to change his email address, I used his just in case.
It’s now over 64,000. I have a lot of money, a lot of money that says impeachment hearings will never start.
Let me know if you need some more signatures, I’m sure all my goats and sheep would sign. They don’t have email, can they use yours?
Hank
Well Capn,
If we’re going to use approval ratings as an indication for impeachment how do you think a congress with 12% approval rating is qualified to impeach Cheney?
Just wondering.
Nitwit
Thanks for signing, Hank.
For legal purposes, the signatures will be vetted before they’re submitted.
So non-humans will be screened out, but your name will be recorded.
Better watch out . . . you’ll find yourself on a no-fly list if you’re not careful, you hippie.
I’ll be signing that petition!
“There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction.”
Nancy Pelosi already stated that impeachment is off the table as there are issues that needs to be voted on that needs bi-partisan support.
“Anyone in my administration who leaked Valerie Plame-Wilson’s name will be fired.”
Uh . . . unless it’s Uncle Dick, apparently.
Yeah, well, Pelosi’s one reason why Congress’s approval is 12 percent.
People voted in a Democratic majority because they wanted Bush’s ass kicked.
I would support a primary challenger against Pelosi next time around . . .
Come on Capn,
“For legal purposes, the signatures will be vetted before they’re submitted.”
Your not that stupid are you? This petition is meaningless. It’s a cheap political stunt.
The dems don’t need a petition to impeach. They need valid charges. They need evidence. They need a set of balls.
None of which they have. I got $100 that says impeachment will never happen, never. If that goes fast enough I’ll put up another $100.
First come first serve, let’s see you nitwits put your money where your mouths are!
I detect Liberal arm flailing Hank. :D
Maybe it goes somewhere maybe not.
I’d sure LIKE to see the SOB impeached.
The symbolism is worth something.
Well J R,
Seriously. If there is a reason and if there is enough evidence that Cheney should be impeached then congress is in dereliction of their constitutional obligations and authority if they fail to do so.
Petition? Just read Article one of the Constitution again. Didn’t see the petition requirement. In fact, the Constitution gives the House of Representatives full authority to decide what an impeachable offense is. All they have to do is . . . well, do it.
Impeachment?
J R’s wish granted that would be letting Cheney off easy.
I’d like to see him and bush handed over to the World Court.
Yeh, that’s going to happen!
Liberals unable to function in the real world make up a fantasy land of their own!
Hell if Bush can independently bomb sovereign nations for no reason and pretty much have his way wit congress do you think he’d have a problem with the would court?
One cruise missile, no world court!
Next problem!
would = world
Well, as much as I’m enjoying this I’m going to bed. I’ll check in tomorrow after feeding horses to se if anyone believes impeachment is going to happen enough to take my bet.
If it looks like the petition is starting to stall I’ll even sign it a couple of more times to help ol’ Wexman grow a spine!
I’m thinking that too, JR.
If Congress doesn’t impeach–and I’m with Hank in the sense that I don’t think the will is there to do it–then Bush and his cronies should be brought up on criminal charges.
Illegal spying, destroying presidential records, politicizing the judiciary (five times as many prosecutions against Dems) and violating torture laws are just a few charges that there is a lot of evidence for.
Just because BushCo doesn’t get impeached doesn’t mean they can’t get hounded by lawsuits for the rest of their natural life.
I don’t think their retirement years will be uneventful Capn.
Certainly they will not be welcomed in any but the small circle of support they still have.
Yup, JR.
I’m guessing that once they step out of the protective bubble of suck-ups they surround themselves with (like the third-world dictators they imitate in so many ways), John Q. Public will have a little more access to let Bush-cronies what the last eight years have meant to America and the people who love their country (but hate the SOBs who ran it and ran it into the ground for the last 8 yrs).
Ah they are used to being removed from the lives of most Americans anyway Capn.
Remember bush sr. and the supermarket scanner?
How totally bereft of values and ideas is the Republic party in kansas if they are seriously going to attempt to make the Morrison affair an issue in the elections?First, Morrison was a Democrat for a very short time, and not even at the time of his affair.Second, Gov. Seibilus may have recruited him, but could hardly be expected to know he was a Republican adulturer.I think they will end up making themselves look foolish, but that should be expected.
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