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Just heard an interesting question:
The security guard in Colorado says God helped her to do her job in bringing down the shooter.
The question was raised: WHY did God wait till the shooter had killed two innocent people to act??
That is certainly an interesting question… Probably says more about the mind set of people’s belief system than it does about God!
I agree Chas, I always cringe when someone says that God spared their life or something like that. Gee how does that make the families of the ones who DIDN”T live feel. To me, God has nothing to do with it. Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people. It’s just the luck of the draw. And it also helped that they had 12 armed security guards and had been tipped off that this guy might be coming. Gee, thank the police maybe?Or the media? Or the ones who asked for more security?
Just heard an interesting question:
The security guard in Colorado says God helped her to do her job in bringing down the shooter.
The question was raised: WHY did God wait till the shooter had killed two innocent people to act??
That is certainly an interesting question… Probably says more about the mind set of people’s belief system than it does about God!
Posted by: Chas. | December 12, 2007 at 03:46 AM
An interesting question for someone who is a five year old.
“Very interesting” from someone who claims to be an ordained Minister.
Your constant attacks on Chas’ faith are disgusting and reprehensible. Grow up and address the issue, Trollboy, and quit instigating the mud slinging.
Show me the attack Tom, I said it was “very interesting.”
A matured minister would have no problem in answering that question as it comes up often why people die.
I found it very interesting that an ordained Minister would not have an answer.
Chas brought the question in an open forum.
So Tom, only ones that agree 100 percent with the premise of Chas’s statement can discuss it.
Who needs to grow up here Tom? I asked a mature question and none of my initial response resulted with name calling like yourself.
Just once I wish a camera would go into the losers’ locker room and some player would say, “Yeah, we could have won the game if Jesus weren’t against us!”
Kansas,
at best your question was leading, as you no doubt intended it to be. It is easily implied your questioning Chas’s faith in that question. Getting defensive only proves the point more. So what if he is an ordained minister? Does that mean that he doesn’t have to give his own beliefs? Perhaps he was starting a philosophical discussion – ministers do that quite freqently. And the thinly veiled disdain in your statements is ANYTHING but mature. A question like “I would be interested to hear your opinon on this Chas” would have been mature.
Sorry, opinion…
Perhaps I was waxing philosophically as well anon. However, you chose to place your “judgment” on me as did Tom.
What does that say about you? Am I not entitled to extend my thoughts on the matter in an open forum.
Or as you put in your implication that only ones who agree with Chas’s statement are allowed to comment.
Political Mom made a statement and no one has challenged her as she entitled to say what she thinks.
There appears to be a double standard here on the blog and that appearance was just confirmed by you anon. :)
Very good answer David.
I would have expected that answer from the minister who asked the question.
Kansas,
nobody is saying that you don’t have the right to express your opinion. I am taking issue with the way you choose to do so. Claiming to be taking a mature approach and DOING so are two entirely different things. Note that I did not dispute EITHER political mom OR David Atkins. They are both expressing differing opinions. In a mature manner. You however decided to make a thinly veiled personal attack against someone, instead of just expressing an opinion about the topic. BIG DIFFERENCE.
The truth is she didn’t “bring him down”..he shot and killed himself.
I wonder how long it will be before the Eagle and the gun nuts aknowledge the facts.
Pretending that CC laws will deter people with easy access to high powered weapons who are intent on killing others along with themsleves is trying to provide a false sense of security and give more clout to those who are against any form of gun control.
Odds are in my favor that anon nor anyone else will make a comment about what J R or other Libs say about me that are purely meant for insult.
As I said – double standard.
I’m sick of the way every discussion turns into an insult fest..I’m outta here.
J R and others, quit picking on poor ole Kansas.
There, good enough?
You really want to talk about double-standards, Trollboy? How about how you spent half a thread the other day calling another poster a “coward” for not revealing his identity to you, yet you didn’t have the “cajones” to take my challenge and give me a call? You have my number, you have my address, you know my name. Go ahead and prove you’re not guilty of the rankest of hypocrisies and double-standards.
I’ll wait for your call.
“An interesting question for someone who is a five year old.”
Sounds like an insult to me
Let the Lib dog piling begin…
and not one word about J R’s comment …
“You have my number, you have my address, you know my name. Go ahead and prove you’re not guilty of the rankest of hypocrisies and double-standards.
I’ll wait for your call.
Posted by: Tom | December 12, 2007 at 09:09 AM
I don’t know your address or your phone number.
I believe in God. I believe that everyone has ‘their time to go’ and there isn’t anything you can do to stop that. I believe in God’s plan and that a) it was the two victims and murderer’s time b) God meant something by this action. We should all take heed. Not everyone is intended to receive the same message, so form your own.
This may be a simplistic ‘five-year-old’ analogy, but sometimes you have to keep it simple, stupid (kiss)
It is interesting how many people thank God for all sorts of “accomplishments.” Has it become the thing to say? Along the lines of, “How are you?” We all pretty much agree we don’t really want to know how each person is (in any detail at least). Some, yes, but not all. Most of us answer with a “fine,” or “fair to middlin,” as we recognize the question as a form of greeting.
And have we forgotten free will? I think God hangs his head in shame at some of the credit He is given.
Pride cometh before the fall. Keep attributing yourself to accomplishments and see how quick He takes them away. If you don’t believe in God, don’t thank him. Easy enough.
Sol
What do you think God meant?
Invest in Security companies / – there’s gonna be an upswing in demand? (Oh sorry stole Econs line — just kidding econ)
I don’t think he / she meant anything. I believe we are left by a God to be masters of our own universe and very much a victim / beneficiary of our own choices. God gives us some ideas, rules a general plan etc to live by — and we execute the “Plan” as we see fit — we are (or at least should be) held responsible for our choices here and eventually in the court of ahhh godly opinion.
Linda
^5
The truth is she didn’t “bring him down”..he shot and killed himself. Mary
Mary lies again. Assam DID bring Murray down.
If Assam had not shot Murray several times, how many more people would Murray have murdered? He may have wound up shooting himself anyway, but how many more people would have been murdered?
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-shoot12dec12,1,5325974.story?coll=la-news-a_section
DENVER — The gunman who killed four people in shooting rampages at two Colorado religious institutions committed suicide after he was shot by a church security guard, police said Tuesday.
An autopsy showed that Matthew Murray, 24, died of a self-inflicted wound after being shot several times Sunday by volunteer security guard Jeanne Assam at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.
Assam, a former Minneapolis police officer, confronted Murray as he burst into the foyer after fatally shooting two teenage girls in the church parking lot. Authorities have credited Assam for saving untold lives because Murray was armed with three guns and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition.
“we are (or at least should be) held responsible for our choices here”
I agree with this.
Have you experienced death? On more than one occasion? Did they both mean the same thing? I don’t pretend to know God’s will, but there is “life is precious and fragile”, “Life is to be protected” “Life is short”. There are many messages that can be garnered from this tragedy just as there are many messages that can be taken from a birth. I believe God knew your path before He created you. Yes, you have free will and you will decide for yourself, but God already knows what you are going to do. Doesn’t affect you freedom, he just knows the end of the story.
If you can witness the death of someone close to you, or even an acquaintance, and not be moved by it, then I don’t know what to tell you.
God gave me many talents and I think expects me to live up to His expectations. Now, just maybe, neither you nor I know how he expected those talents to be used. My opinion is that good and loving deeds without notice might be high on his list for me. When and how I give thanks is between me and my God. When and how you give thanks is between you and your God. I do know you won’t answer for my life and I will. I do know you won’t be the judge I will face.
And when I give thanks it will mean way more than something that I see has become a way of talking with too little meaning.
If you don’t think something deserves thanks, don’t thank Him. I am appreciative (or try to be) of everything He gives me. I live in the sticks and this time of year often have deer crossing the road. When a group crosses, I thank Him for allowing me their beauty and not hitting them. I am appreciative of both and my thanks are heartfelt. If you take what He has given you and gives you every day for granted, so be it.
Sol
Doesn’t God in essence tell us the end of the story. If the God you believes in says if you do bad things you go to hell, if you do good things you go to heaven. The problem seem to occur when religious idealogies clash. Some faiths don’t believe in hell, because they choose to believe in a totally benevolent god. The Catholic church not only speaks of a heaven and hell, but also a limbo and a purgatory (as well as huge earthly guilt trips – but thats another thread)
I guess I fail to see the logic in god knows what our ending is? If that’s true are we just here to annoy each other and provide comic relief to a god? (that wasn’t meant to be sarcastic — but humorous) reminds me of the line from dogma words to the effect “god / we have a good laugh whenever we see you in mid coitus..”
Good point Heckler made on the closed thread topic – The LA Riots.
I know a man and woman who lived there at the time. She had a 10 mm handgun(big gal) and he had a MAK assault rifle in 7.62 x 39.
Why would they need such firepower?
They had shooters in their neighborhood, shots going off constantly and sometimes randomly. Fires being lit, houses and buisnesses being burned down. People being attacked in the streets during broad daylight.
The cops were hiding, nowhere to be found. The cops had given up. Dial 911 and you get a busy signal.
This couple stayed in their home and waited.
They were prepared in the event the mob attacked their own home.
6 rounds would not be enough.
One 30-round clip may not be enough.
When there are a hundreds of looters and thugs on the street shooting everywhere, you need some firepower capacity to defend yourself.
The shotgun is a good weapon, at close range, but most only hold 4 to 5 rounds. A few self-defense models hold 8 or 9 rounds.
In some situations, you need the firepower for self-defense.
LA proved that the cops are not always there for you.
VA Tech proved that. The Omaha mall proved that. The CO church shooting proved that.
The right of the people to bear arms, shall not be infringed.
There’s a good reason why that is the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
In other news, six kids shot getting off a bus in las vegas by two other youths. If the kids on the bush had cc, this might not have happened, right?
Posted by: The Phantom | December 12, 2007 at 10:13 AM
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I recall from childhood a commercial for a child’s toy. I believe it was a “Sit and Spin”. It had a staionary post in the middle, and your would sit on the disk and spin around. The jingle went something like, “Some kids go / when they sit and spin!” I think Phantom must have had one of those when he was little and misses it. (awww, how cute!)
The issue is that CC provides at least some degree of being able to level the playing the field with a murderous gunman. In this case the CC analogy doesn’t fit well since, the victims were mostly minors, and they were ambushed without warning as they were departing a school bus. As I said, CC provides degrees of defense. Here, anyone with CC would not have faired well as they stepped off a bus. But (as long as we’re speculating), suppose the driver or another adult on the bus had had a CC gun. Speculation could suggest that the perps would not have made so easy an escape.
But keep spinning, Phantom. It’s entertaining, and brings cute images to our minds of you on your Sit-n-Spin. (Sort of like an orchasm!)
“I guess I fail to see the logic in [G]od knows what our ending is?”
It is a fact, as I believe it. We have free will and act according to our beliefs, He just knows what we are going to do.
if he knows what we’re going to do — whats the fun in that for him —– it’s like some one telling you the surprise ending of a movie you’re just walking into
I would rather surprise him periodically with how we can apply the good rules in a way he hadn’t thought of ….
On a lighter note, Joyce and I returned yesterday from a few days in London.
We went to see Phantom of the Opera in Her Majesty’s Theatre.
It was a wonderful trip and the ‘Phantom’ exceeded our expectations.
I highly recommennd that if you can, see the ‘Phantom’ in London before it closes.
Hank
Welcome back Hank!
Did you eat any fish and chips for me? :)
if he knows what we’re going to do — whats the fun in that for him —– it’s like some one telling you the surprise ending of a movie you’re just walking into
I would rather surprise him periodically with how we can apply the good rules in a way he hadn’t thought of ….
Posted by: ken | December 12, 2007 at 10:41 AM
This is where your argument will always fail ken.
One cannot do an anthropomorphizing of God.
When one assigns human qualities to a deity then you are bringing that deity down to your level of understanding of what God should be or shouldn’t be.
Hank
Saw it twice in Chicago. I can only imagine how great it would be to see it in London. Take a lot of pics? Gonna post em somewhere?
EM
We often hear God is smiling, god is crying, god is sad etc from
priests, pastors etc ….
I didn’t assign them —
I would rather surprise him periodically with how we can apply the good rules in a way he hadn’t thought of ….
Posted by: ken | December 12, 2007 at 10:41 AM
None of us knows what makes Him laugh, but if what you stated above (and you aren’t challenging Him) I am betting this is one of the things he loves you for.
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5geGD7gzEWvMiKRhD3OK-6eO_iWQgD8TFPGEO0
CIA Destroyed Tapes Despite Court OrderBy MATT APUZZO – 8 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Bush administration was under court order not to discard evidence of detainee torture and abuse months before the CIA destroyed videotapes that revealed some of its harshest interrogation tactics.
Normally, that would force the government to defend itself against obstruction allegations. But the CIA may have an out: its clandestine network of overseas prisons.
While judges focused on the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and tried to guarantee that any evidence of detainee abuse would be preserved, the CIA was performing its toughest questioning half a world away. And by the time President Bush publicly acknowledged the secret prison system, interrogation videotapes of two terrorism suspects had been destroyed.
The CIA destroyed the tapes in November 2005. That June, U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy Jr. had ordered the Bush administration to safeguard “all evidence and information regarding the torture, mistreatment, and abuse of detainees now at the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay.”
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler issued a nearly identical order that July.
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“Laws?!” says Worst. President. Ever., “we don’t need no steenkin’ laws . . . “
THANKS SOL I NEEDED THAT –
It looks like all the cheap-shot posts are getting pulled.
Hallelujah.
I haven’t been paying much attention to this story, but per CapnA’s post, there was no ruling of the court that applied to the tapes in question.
So what’s the argument?
I would commend all of you who have attacked my original post with such fervor… well, not the post, but attacked ME the poster… You will note please, I did not say that what I posted was MY question… But, that it was a question I had HEARD… And that it is interersting…
Please read what people actually post, instead of spinning it off into fantasy land of what is NOT posted?? Please??
In CON world, if you break one law by setting up illegal prisons, that shields you from any other laws–like torture or destroying evidence.
Nice try, but no cigar.
Outlander, it would depend on the scope of the “Court Order” — you think?? A Court Order IS a ruling of the Court, more or less!
It looks like there’s a new sheriff in town, Chas. The WEBlog may not be the troll playground it used to be.
And I include myself as prime offender.
Very good answer David.
I would have expected that answer from the minister who asked the question.
Posted by: Max | December 12, 2007 at 08:44 AM
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Ummmm Max?? Where is “David’s” answer on the Blog? I dont see one prior to your 8:44 post??
Unless there is a “David” hiding behind one of the prior nics??
Ok, but it applied, again per the post by CapnA to “all evidence and information regarding the torture, mistreatment, and abuse of detainees now at the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay.”
The guys weren’t at Guantanamo.
And the argument is that the CIA should have unilaterally extended the scope of the judge’s order?
Well, we can hope so CapN… It sure would be nice!!
outlander–
How could the Court pass a law on locations that it didn’t know existed?
Duh.
Capn. Letter of the law. Duh.
Don’t bother looking Chas. It must have been pulled.
It was too Christian in nature.
Truth in what outlander says —- CIA will / should be able to fly 747 through that hole — the letter of the law and all ……..
It’s up to the courts to write the orders correctly. Should the CIA have destroyed the tapes? No. Should the court have boxed itself in by limiting itself to one location? No. Both entities screwed up.
Sol–
Did you read this part of the article?
They were prisoners that existed off the books — and apparently beyond the scope of the court’s order.
Attorneys say that might not matter. David H. Remes, a lawyer for Yemeni citizen Mahmoad Abdah and others, asked Kennedy this week to schedule a hearing on the issue.
Though Remes acknowledged the tapes might not be covered by Kennedy’s order, he said, “It is still unlawful for the government to destroy evidence, and it had every reason to believe that these interrogation records would be relevant to pending litigation concerning our client.”
In legal documents filed in January 2005, Assistant Attorney General Peter D. Keisler assured Kennedy that government officials were “well aware of their obligation not to destroy evidence that may be relevant in pending litigation.”
For just that reason, officials inside and outside of the CIA advised against destroying the interrogation tapes, according to a former senior intelligence official involved in the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity because it is under investigation.
Apparently, by running clandestine operations “outside the knowledge of the Cort Order” the CIA might have done an end run around the Courts.
Looks like it might take a higher Court to determine if the Court Orders of June and July, 2005, were made in the good faith that there were NO clandestine operations elsewhere??
It was too Christian in nature.
Posted by: Max | December 12, 2007 at 11:34 AM
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I wouldnt know Max.. It might have been flaming, or derogatory too??
Sorry CapN — I posted that on top of what you just said before!!
“They were prisoners that existed off the books — and apparently beyond the scope of the court’s order.”
Why did the court limit itself by location?
Again, both entities screwed up
Sol — The Court was not informed of the clandestine operations away from Guantanemo.. CIA didnt notify anybody but themselves, and BushCo what they were doing elsewhere.. How could the Court issue an order for something they did not know about?
“Sol — The Court was not informed of the clandestine operations away from Guantanemo”
“How could the Court issue an order for something they did not know about?”
Why limit yourself to location? Again, they screwed up.
So what is the position of the top two democrats running for president on illegal immigration?(The news is still calling it an immigration discussion.)
“WASHINGTON (CNN) — The increasingly heated fight between Iowa front-runners Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee over immigration is expected to dominate the Republican presidential debate Wednesday.”
Sol — Apparently there is some question as to what limits, if any, the Court Order has, concerning the CIA destruction of tapes. I think thats why it is headed to the next highest Court.
Guess we need to wait and see what happens at that hearing. Speculation wont get us anywhere.
Why is it considered leading? Because its what you want it to be? Chas can answer it with honestly. Its the adult thing to do. If you are an atheist, that is fine, but don’t disrespect someone else’s beliefs because you don’t. THat is the Childish part of this whole discussion. GROP UP!
Micky, what are you talking about?? Eh??
For PMom, Mrage and those who questioned why people need guns to defend themselves. Here’s what happens in TX when you DON’T have one:
Gunmen Knock at Door, Shoot Texas Teen, MotherWednesday, December 12, 2007
Police on Wednesday were looking for two to three suspects in connection with the doorstep shooting of a Texas 16-year-old and his mother, MyFoxDFW.com reported.
The teen, who reportedly had been sleeping on the couch, was awakened by a knock at the door. When he opened it, several gunmen shot him dead. His mother tried to escape by jumping from the second-floor window and was shot in the leg.
The mother was treated at a local hospital and released.
The teenager, his mother, the mother’s live-in boyfriend and his two children were all home at the time of the shooting, police said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316549,00.html
The question was raised: “WHY did God wait till the shooter had killed two innocent people to act??
Is there anyone with some background in “religion” who posts here regularly who could answer this question?
I know there are a couple of lawyers who post and are oot afraid to post their professional opinion on the issues.
Although I don’t recall either professionaol asking other posters for legal opinions.
The horse race is getting closer in the polls.
Clinton no longer is a pre-ordained nominee. And neither is Rudy.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history
Clinton 36%Obama 28%Edwards 13%
Huckabee 23%Giuliani 20%Romney 14%
The more Hillary talks, and the more Bill campaigns for her, the lower she goes in the polls.
Micky Chas can’t pick up on the slightly not straight forward messages. That is why if you answer his posts you will find yourself explaining it over and over.
Seems in this election all / most of the candidates of both parties are saying we need to change the way DC and our government run — we hear that every election —- and the reality little if anything changes, regardless of the party —your reps encourage you to write them call them — but I don’t think they mean it (unless there is a check attached)
They’ve failed us on so many levels, immigration, energy, infrastructure, taxes — name it they’ve managed to screw it up and us …. and every time the call goes dump the incumbants, power to the people etc ….. and we continue to elect the same charlatans — so the question then becomes how can it effectively be changed? letters to the editor / reps don’t mean a d*** thing —
So what ideas are out there to make the right changes in whom leads our country and us that will mean anything?
Keep it civil, and no rubbing our ruby slippers together won’t make it so
Wow! Good thing we didn’t waste money on the Kyoto treaty, yet!
Is there really Global Warming? And is it really caused by man?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316566,00.html
Study: Part of Global-Warming Model May Be WrongWednesday, December 12, 2007
Part of the scientific consensus on global warming may be flawed, a new study asserts.
The researchers compared predictions of 22 widely used climate “models” — elaborate schematics that try to forecast how the global weather system will behave — with actual readings gathered by surface stations, weather balloons and orbiting satellites over the past three decades.
The study, published online this week in the International Journal of Climatology, found that while most of the models predicted that the middle and upper parts of the troposphere —1 to 6 miles above the Earth’s surface — would have warmed drastically over the past 30 years, actual observations showed only a little warming, especially over tropical regions.
“Can the models accurately explain the climate from the recent past? It seems that the answer is no,” said lead study author David H. Douglass, a physicist specializing in climate at the University of Rochester.
Max I’m saving Cosmos the trouble. Douglass isn’t a credible physicist. His ideas were refuted by ‘peer reviewed’ studies that showed the flaws in his tests.
Upper atmosphere cooling – as expected:
http://www.wunderground.com/education/strato_cooling.asp
Intermediate levels (upper troposphere) would be expected to be little changed. Also, tropics temperatures are expected to change much less that polar temperatures.
http://www.kansas.com/news/nation_world/story/252707.html
Scientists shocked by Arctic ice meltSome worry that the Arctic could be free of sea ice much sooner than expected, accelerating the pace of global warming.
Feedback loops taking hold …
No pictures. I have approximately 8.5 thousand dollars in various camera stuff but we didn’t take a camera to London.
We’ve been there before and we’ve done the ‘tourist’ thing. Sometimes I just like to go and ’see’ stuff.
No fish and chips. Went to my favorite little pub and had a shank of lamb. Two other nights we had ‘Italian’.
Spent a day in Minneapolis and I did have fish and chips there! Joyce and I are part of the 2009 Bearded Collie National Specialty committee and we’ll be up there several times in the next year or two.
Ken,
Vote! I think it’s time the few who take that responsibility seriously should be joined by others.
And pay attention. Write it down if your memory is short (like mine). I keep a B.O.H.I.C.A. file. Inside are articles cut from the newspaper, printed from online, notes scribbled to jog my memory. Those letters stand for: Bend Over Here It Comes Again. I read it carefully before I go to the polls.
It’s our only hope of making those elected accountable. They know all they need do is say some words they don’t plan to back up with action because it isn’t necessary since the voters are few and their attention span is short. There are always other and more recent bright and shiny objects to distract attention.
Hank- In your dog travels, have you had anything to do with Shelties?
Yikes!
Look what happens when people don’t curtail their driving habits. If only the folks on Venus had seen Al’s movies a few hundred thousand years ago.
“We need only look as far as our sister planet, Venus, to see the truth of this theory. Venus’s atmosphere is 96.5% carbon dioxide, which has triggered a run-away greenhouse effect of truly hellish proportions.”
http://www.wunderground.com/education/strato_cooling.asp
I have trained a couple on sheep, and I’ve instinct tested a few. Not my favorite herding breed.
I do know one in Kentucky that is a real runt, weighs in at about 14lbs. But he’s a very good herding dog!
Also, there’s a lady in Cape Girardo, MO that has two that are very good dogs. Very competant stock dogs.
What so you want to know? Maybe I can make something up!
Hank
Hank- Just curoius. I have a brother /sister pair. Last year the male weighed 65 # , just big and afraid of everything. They’re both very smart.
Linda
Have never missed an opportunity to vote. (From Chicago — vote twice when I can)
Have worked for 2 candidates — 1 win 1 loss, actually 2 losses, the one winner turned out be a lying thief and was ousted from office ………..
Voting is a good idea, getting out more voters ?
Perhaps a better question, easier to resolve is how can we pressure the current officeholders to quit screwing around and fix it — threatening to not vote for them is almost meaningless — incumbants know they have an 80% probablity of getting reelected
I’m not smart enough to know the answer but willing to work towards the goal if anyone else can come up with the solution!
Look at what worked before to influence the direction of the country in a significant way
MLK non violent protests
not so peaceful demonstrations helped end the VN war ..
the war for independence
….
65# is quite heavy. How tall is he? Is he registered? He may not really be a Sheltie. 65# is a little heavy for a Rough Collie.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/shetland_sheepdog/index.cfm
A lot of the shelties I’ve run into have been a little shy and not much for herding.
The conformation people are in the process of ruining another good breed. Breeding out herding qualities for pretty.
Uh oh!
McCain, Romney, Guliani, and to a lesser degree Huckabee agree that global warming is real, that man is contributing to it, and that this must be addressed!
Alan Keyes (I didn’t even know he was running) is for letting the “free” market address it.(From todays GOP debate)I guess you deniers don’t have a candidate.
Good!
…. bra burning seemd to help the woman’s movement in the 60s-70s.
This new monitoring and moderating policy is working great.
No cheap-shots, no disruptions, no outrageous baiting and outraged responses.
Thanks, Eagle Staff. Well done.
Whatever you’re doing, keep doing it.
Anybody else see Bill Roy’s brilliant commentary on the OP ED page today?
THIS is what everyone should be concerned about:
http://www.kansas.com/205/story/252540.html
Members of Congress (anxious to repay wealthy sponsors), chambers of commerce, farm organizations, and others have used this rhetorical weapon to frighten ordinary people into believing this tax will wipe out everything they have worked to leave their widows and children. Few realize this tax applies only to the big winners in the lottery of life, even though no one can find the family that sold the farm to pay the nasty death tax.
Then there is the reinforcing myth that in our capitalistic-market society, we must create and cherish the wealthy few because their capital (money) creates businesses and jobs.
Our unfair tax system has pushed enough money to the top that 1 percent of Americans possess as much wealth as the combined lower 90 percent. Both Buffett and richest-man Bill Gates recognize that our tax policies and untaxed inherited wealth will create a dynastic plutocracy, wherein a few families can control America into perpetuity.
And that’s not good for anyone, especially the rest of us who pay the taxes the wealthiest are not paying.
Capn
I have to wonder, If these guys think that tax rates are too low why don’t they just write bigger checks to the IRS. Nothing stopping them.
Capn
There also seem to be plenty of wealthy Democrats who keep saying we need to raise taxes on the rich. They could just send more money as well. But do they? Hell no, just like Buffet they probably pay several folks a good wage to make sure they don’t pay any more than they have to.
Hmmm, Dave Knadler, the new Blog Monitor.
So I’m guessing that ‘personal attacks are out’ as well as anything with “Christian Biblical” references in them?
Or perhaps the poster was posting under multiple nics?
I would bet on the latter.
Of course, I have been known to be wrong before. :)
Hank- He looks like a small Collie. His father was registered, the mother was not but “looked ” like a Sheltie. He’s not fat, just big.
My vet told me that Sheltie’s are the only dog breed he’s seen that will respond to voice commands from a radio hung on it’s collar. They use that technique somewhere in the SW on sheep or goat farms. If the pups don’t instinctively start herding the chickens and ducks, they know they have a loser herder!
Capn
So are Buffett and Gates going to will their estates to the IRS?
(chuckling)
Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition.
A pdf on 17th and 18th century laws in the colonies REQUIRING that men carry arms to church on the Sabbath. And fines for not doing so, and fines for not having the required minimum of shot and powder.
http://www.claytoncramer.com/PraiseTheLordAndPassTheAmmunition.PDF
Very good answer David.
I would have expected that answer from the minister who asked the question.
Posted by: Max | December 12, 2007 at 08:44 AM
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Because I don’t like to be edited, I’m posting the link to the response that I typed earlier.
http://engagingtheworld.blogspot.com/
Voting is a good idea, getting out more voters ?Posted by: ke
Make the federal election a national holiday. Promote the holiday with voting events (dinners, parties, feasts, roast beasts). Maybe establish some national voting day pasttimes. (Personally, I’d like to see beer contests all day. Football/beerball, beer basketball, beer drinking contests, beer blind tests, best beer contests (local/national brands), and other like minded events. Maybe some wine events too, that way my old lady can have chocolate covered strawberries with win, while I do my beef suasage, cheese, and beer event.
Develope designated drivers to the polls. Taxi/bus services.Voting contests for states/cities for largest turnout.
All this would encourage a larger voter turnout.
The question was raised: “WHY did God wait till the shooter had killed two innocent people to act??
I’ll tell you what I think. But with the proviso that I really don’t know.
This is a fallen world. Adam’s sin took care of that. As Jesus stated; “My kingdom is not of this world”. God does not control everything that occurs on this earth. He gave man free will, and bad things happen. In fact, Satan is referred to in the Bible as “the God of this world” http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.htmlAs
But the point, in the case of the security guard, is that she said that God helped her do her job. But this “help” was by acting in her and strengthening her, and because she asked Him to. Because she believed, she is part of God’s Kingdom and she was able to avail herself of God’s help.
That is just one Christian’s view.
Heckler, any information on how many shootings there were in churches in those days?
Typical CON job by the CONs–reduce everything to what Buffet does himself.
I don’t know if Buffet voluntarily pays more than he has to or not. But that obviously is not the point. The point is what SHOULD the rich pay?
And it shouldn’t be a lower rate than the middle class, obviously.
AmWay
Some of those are great ideas — making voting a holiday, do it over 2 days etc ….. weeeknds
How can we make em happen — bar owners would like the beer parts so we have their attention ….
http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html
The link above was broken.
Capn
Didn’t some wealthy investment brokers get a tax break because they were making so much money for their clients?
I wouldnt know Max.. It might have been flaming, or derogatory too??Posted by: Chas. | December 12, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Not only did I not find it flaming or derogatory, I found it to be very positive and inspiring.
You can check it out yourself Chas at David’s link above and see for yourself.
(If the link is still there.)
Outlander,
Nice analogy.
ken, are you thinking about the hedge fund managers and the flurry of controversy over the rate of taxation of the “carried interest” part of their compensation?
I think if a reasonable person would have known the tapes were relevant, they will be covered. But then I’m no lawyer. What do the lawyers think?
ksgrm,
Your very false assumptions about what I think (12:48 PM) suggests that you do not understand the scientific process.
Douglass may be a very credible physicist, but that does not guarantee that his recently released climate “research article” is valid.
And as Ben pointed out at 12:57 PM, the atmosphere temperatures are changing as expected.
My roof is colder this year than it was last year. The reason: I had an energy-barrier placed under the new shingles. As a result, I have a thermal barrier between the heat in my house and the roof. A similar thing is happening in the atmosphere.
Maybe we should all take a few science courses. WSU has a decent curriculum; even a really fun class in paleoclimatology.
Ben- Are you referring to the decking beneath the shingles? Or is there an actual other layer installed?
Max,
You spinner! I’ve never ranted about people not having guns.
Certain types of guns, a variety of assault rifles should be banned.
Most people look through a peep hole before opening the front door. Who says anyone has to actually answer a knocking at the door!
People who say Constitution affirms their right to Arms regardless of newer laws, criminals think the same way.
Criminal on probation says those new laws don’t take away from his or her Constitution right to have guns.
Criminals easily get guns to shoot other people.
Who makes it so easy to guns, the NRA.
Your one of them, surely if you were charged with some crime and got probation, your not supposed to have a gun. You will have them.
Warren Buffet is the calendar child for the democrats. They get one rich man to sing the song, and they play it all night long.
We’ve had rich men throughout our history. We have many besides Warren.
But I guess it’s not like GW, one scientist says it exists – it exists. Nope. Takes lot’s of scientist to say it’s so.
But not for rich men. We just need one poster boy.
The rich and very rich are not volunteering for your plan. They want to keep what is theirs.
What belongs to them.What liberals want to steal.(And yes, it is theft)
Getting or Buying that new computer for Christmas and anticipating the new Operating system on your Mac or Microsoft based computer?
Not so fast…check out the articles below…
Windows Vista SP1 Includes More Than 300 Hot Fixes
Microsoft has made available a 47-page document that describes the fixes and says more may be added.
By Paul McDougallInformationWeekDecember 12, 2007 12:51 PM
http://www.informationweek.com/industries/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204801988
Apple Leopard Woes
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/leopard-osx-problems,review-1028.html
Yes, Macs are showing the blue screen of death.
This is something I never thought I’d hear myself say – or maybe I should say, see myself type – about an Apple operating system: Mac OSX Leopard was released before it was ready. This operating system needed more testing on more systems with more hardware, and especially, more software configurations. The days of Apple computers operating with just the Mac OS and Adobe Photoshop installed, and practically nothing else to speak of, are long gone, and Apple knows this as well as anyone. This operating system was not properly beta tested, and Apple’s customers are paying for it, with lost productivity and inoperative computers.”
Mrage, my answers follow the ***.
Certain types of guns, a variety of assault rifles should be banned.
***Which types? What is an assault rifle, how would you define it?
Most people look through a peep hole before opening the front door. Who says anyone has to actually answer a knocking at the door!
***Granted, but most doors can be kicked-in by a gang of intruders too. And these people may not have been bright enough to arm themselves either. It’s not required, but it is the best home defense.
People who say Constitution affirms their right to Arms regardless of newer laws, criminals think the same way.
Criminal on probation says those new laws don’t take away from his or her Constitution right to have guns.
Criminals easily get guns to shoot other people.
***Not legally they don’t. We don’t need more laws, we need existing laws to be enforced.
Who makes it so easy to guns, the NRA.
***Not correct. The NRA has been a strong supporter of background checks and making sure that the Federal database of convicted felons and those judged as mentally incompetent, is as complete as possible.
Your one of them, surely if you were charged with some crime and got probation, your not supposed to have a gun. You will have them.
***I wouldn’t know Mrage. I’ve never been arrested, never been charged with anything, and I’ve never been convicted of anything more serious then a speeding ticket.
Posted by: Mrage | December 12, 2007 at 03:46 PM
***Mrage, in the LA Riot situation with hundreds of armed rioters on the streets, how many bullets should one be allowed to have in order to defend your life in your home? Remember, the police in LA had ZERO control of the situation. The police were not around.
gster – it is some sort of ‘metalized’ felt laid under the shingles. Cost me some money but I hope to get it back via gas/electricity.
Max,
The Feds have a tough time classifying assault rifles, because so many are similar.
You know what I’m talking about. Uzi, M-16, AK-47, SKS, any rifle with a huge magazine! What’s the point selling those to the general public?
You mention the LA riots, who cares! Businesses should have insurance for theft and damage.
Some people have their life at a business, but crazy things can happen in society when riots, earthquake, hurricanes, tornado’s, fires and floods happen.
People steal for whatever reason they can find when society breaks down. They shouldn’t be shot dead!
Video evidence helps to show what people are stealing. Business owners should grab a camera to film and capture faces, instead of threating to shoot looters.
In the middle of craziness, adding gunfire to the mayhem will cause more guns firing. Business owners need to stay away when it gets wild like that.
Police chose not to enter the riot zone in LA for some hours.
Remember that, riots take hours, its not supposed to end lives forever.
There is no justification for rioting, looting and damage being caused.
Guns used to control that aren’t good when those calamities don’t happen. On a normal day, assault rifles shouldn’t be firing in society. But they are being fired in various places.
Society can keep riots from happening and we can ban some assault rifles from being sold.
Never think you won’t get arrested, its theoretical you might for whatever reason.
Domestic violence can cause you get arrested. Your lucky not to be confronted at a car accident by someone else saying its your fault.
Count your blessing, but you know that answer. No matter if your probation, banned from owning guns, you will have guns hidden in your house.
You will have access to guns at a friends house.
You will never go unarmed again, without guns in your life!
The NRA isn’t a social cause that is helping to end gun violence. They have politically weakened laws to benefit the gun industry.
Because the NRA can report stories of lives being saved by a gun, doesn’t mean anyone has to join the NRA or support their causes!
Ben,
Is that metalized felt supposed to act as a radiant barrier? Normally the reflective surface has air contact.
Best way is radiant barrier attached to rafters inside attic, shiny side down (to avoid dust buildup). With ridge and soffit vents = chimney effect on sunny days. Or can lay shiny side up on attic floor.
Also, the Nov ‘07 Taunton Fine Homebuilding magazine has an interesting idea. A rustic 1930’s home had a swaybacked roof, but owner wanted to keep exposed beams inside.
So he built new rafters on top of old roof, sprayed a thick layer of foam around/under new rafters, and then installed a metal standing-seam roof. Insulation estimated at R-45.
If the admin. is going to drive a truck through the loop holes, it’d better be a tonka!I don’t see much wiggle room.”He stopped short, however, of accusing the government of obstruction. That’s just one of the legal issues that could come up in court. A judge could also raise questions about contempt of court or spoliation, a legal term for the destruction of evidence in “pending or reasonably foreseeable litigation.”
The American Civil Liberties Union filed court documents Wednesday, claiming the destruction of the tapes violated a judge’s order in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. The group cited a 2004 order by U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein, who told the CIA to produce or identify all records pertaining to the treatment of detainees in custody.
The tapes were also destroyed at a time when attorneys for al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui were seeking interrogation videos that might help show their client wasn’t a part of the 9/11 attacks.
In May 2005, U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema ordered the government to disclose whether interrogations were recorded. The government objected. In a modified order on Nov. 3, 2005, the judge asked whether the government “has video or audio tapes” of specific interrogations. Eleven days later, the government said it did not.
The rich and very rich are not volunteering for your plan. They want to keep what is theirs.
What belongs to them.What liberals want to steal.(And yes, it is theft)
Posted by: American Way
Taxation is not theft. Government is necessary for the running of a successful society. There isn’t a single instance of a great civilization that didn’t also have taxation of some kind.
If you don’t believe it, look at failed states like Somalia.
The issue is what is a fair rate of taxation. The answer is not for the rich to pay lower rates than the middle class.
Duh.
By the way, Buffett isn’t the only wealthy person to come out against the tax-give-aways to the rich. Soros and Bill Gates, Sr. have too.
CapN — Dont feed that Troll — yesterday, AmWay suggested that JFK needed to be assasinated.
No wonder he/she feels that way about taxes.
“American way” is also not terrible bright.
Defending a club he will NEVER belong to.
I think the Eagle has eliminated the serious trolling problems, so far today anyway.
Now we’re finally free to blog.
And to all you folks who ridiculed us for the boycott last spring when we said that the Blog would be better with a moderator pulling posts? . . . yup, we were right.
Yeah, that’s the ultimate irony, isn’t it, JR.
All these folks who can scrape together enough pennies to join the Mulvane Country Club think that they are “rich.”
They don’t even make in a year what Paris Hilton spends on shoes, but their defending to the death her right to be taxed less than they are . . .
“they’re” not “their” DOH! The old dyslexia’s kicking in . . . either that or a series of small strokes . . .
And to all you folks who ridiculed us for the boycott last spring when we said that the Blog would be better with a moderator pulling posts? . . . yup, we were right.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 12, 2007 at 06:08 PM
Especially yours for the past six months
bush vetoed SCHIPS again.
Readers? Remember next November.
The Republicans are the party of depriving sick children of health care.
Seems like Bush is having mental problems, vetoing SCHIPS yet again!! How long do we have to be subservient to the “servant of the people”??
Sounds to me like Congress has a learning disability.
Yep there’s money for Barney the dog to make a White House video.
But little kids? Suffering. It’s good for ya. Builds character.
Merry $mas
Republicans
Folks – just received a taped phone call urging me to check out a web site called “fairtrialsinamerica.org,” attempting to trash Morrison.
I have no intention of giving this organization, whoever they are, any credibility whatsoever; anyone who operates that way deserves no credibility. I’m wondering, however, if anyone else has gotten those calls, and what you may know about the organization.
Editors, now that it appears you are monitoring this blog (and for the better, too), feel free to tak this lead and run with it.
Any info, all?
“Readers? Remember next November.”
Remember next November? There is something metaphysical about that question, JR. What happens?
GMC……………..check out their website
It is totally bizare.
Yea; I’ve been checking it out. This guy has issues.
That is the most juvenile and ridiculous site I’ve seen since Operation Rescue. HAS to be Parkay and Meadowlark’s doings.
whois information on the Website
Registrant Name:Jeff HansenRegistrant Organization:HLForensicsRegistrant Street1:2625 Kings View CirRegistrant Street2:Registrant Street3:Registrant City:Spring ValleyRegistrant State/Province:CARegistrant Postal Code:91977
The above information may or may not be tied to the registrant.
The information on the address is:
2625 Kings View Cir, Spring Valley, CA 91977NexTag Estimate: $319,668 (as of 10/29/2007) [What's this?]Appreciation Since Last Sale: $107,668 (+50.79%)A comfortable 2 bedroom, 2.5 bathroom condo in Spring Valley, California. This condo, built in 1992, measures 1,020 sq ft. NexTag estimates this San Diego county condo’s value to be $319,668.
================LJ Article
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/jan/03/text_conrad_brauns_phone_calls_kansans/
message posted by ksmeadowlark
That should read , from a link postage by Meadowlark.
So Meadowlark knows of the guy, but not associated with him.
The information above is about his Website and the address he puts on for the domain provider of the website.
Doubtful that it is true.
“The following evidence was presented to the jury by District Attorney Paul Morrison on June 13,2005. The letters were redacted to omit any mention that the Bumble Bee was in prison. The fact the the Bumble Bee was involuntarily committed to the Kansas criminal Insane asylum was not redacted.”
From that site….yup, sounds about accurate. Involuntarily committed to a mental institution. Too bad they let him out.
LOL
Hoo BOY whoever that is is WAAAYYYY round the bend.
Yeah read some of the stuff on the documents page, about how he’s writing lawmakers and bigwigs telling them to own up…and in a few pics he has ammo strapped across him. I’d say that’s rather threatening.
“Wow! Good thing we didn’t waste money on the Kyoto treaty, yet!”
Posted by: Max | December 12, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Max, ksgrm, and others should read this link about the Douglass et al paper.
‘Tropical tropospheric trends’http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/12/tropical-troposphere-trends/
“… But it is a demonstration that there is NO clear model-data discrepancy in tropical tropospheric trends once you take the systematic uncertainties in data and models seriously.
Funnily enough, this is exactly the conclusion reached by a much better paper by P. Thorne and colleagues. Douglas et al’s claim to the contrary is simply unsupportable”
Yes Cosmos, once you take the SYSTEMATIC UNCERTAINTIES in global warming data models seriously, then even WIDE INCONSISTENCIES in the date cannot possibly be used to DENY global warming.
Even though the global warming models are shot all to heck and questioned behond a reasonable doubt, the true political agenda behind global warming CANNOT be questioned.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
The devil is in the details, SO Don’t Look!
Fred Thompson DUCKED the question as to Global warming.
If he is not going to participate in a debate, he should not show up.
That would sure save the GOP on the No-doze.
Sounds like this Depart Of Justice thing is going to be bigger than we thought. Gee, and you wonder why I was SO against Alito and Roberts appointment to the SCOTUS.
Anybody send that wacko web site off to the AP, or CNN, or MSNBC, or even FOX?? And of course, how about the WE State Editor??
Max,
The climate models are NOT “shot all to heck”.
Is the Heartland Institute a non-POLITICAL group?
And please tell us what is causing Earth’s stratosphere to cool.
Yes VT — was I close? Did they get a tax break arguing because they made so much for their clients?
“…. pennies to join the Mulvane Country Club think that they are “rich.”……”
there’s a country club here? must have only 2-3 members — not many here have enough pennies to belong or actually too busy going door to door to intimidate people to sign a petition (it was on the news) to bar a casino, remind you that you are gonna go to hell if you sweep your grass clippings into the gutter, and ask if you want to buy tickets to the football raffle –
I thought it was great in today’s Republican debate when Fred refused the schoolmarm’s request for a show of hands on belief in global warming.
That kind of simplistic nonsense in a presidential debate has always bothered me. I recall in an earlier Republican debate one of the insufferable moderators did the same thing on belief in evolution. As if there is a yes or no answer to either question.
You mean there isnt Yes or No answer to either of those questions?? Gee, from what I red here, I would have guessed there must be!! LOL
Thompson asked if he could have a minute instead of a simple yes or no gesture.
That minute is for spin and saying a whole lot of nothing.
Plus Fred probably could not have stayed awake or coherent that long anyway. His null response is a cop out, nothing more.
And please tell us what is causing Earth’s stratosphere to cool.
Posted by: cosmos | December 12, 2007 at 08:52 PM
Thermodynamics.
The only way for heat to go is up and out into space – ergo cooling.
IF the CO2 layer is sufficient to form a layer, the HEAT cannot escape into space, thus it stays trapped as colder air in the stratosphere…
A small Christmas I made for kids of all ages on youtube. :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hS8tqimpPqs
er…small Christmas video – heh
And please tell us what is causing Earth’s stratosphere to cool.
Posted by: cosmos | December 12, 2007 at 08:52 PM
Ok Cosmos, we have global cooling now. That’s what they were saying 30 years ago!
“… But it is a demonstration that there is NO clear model-data discrepancy in tropical tropospheric trends once you take the systematic uncertainties in data and models seriously.
Funnily enough, this is exactly the conclusion reached by a much better paper by P. Thorne and colleagues. Douglas et al’s claim to the contrary is simply unsupportable”
Posted by: cosmos | December 12, 2007 at 07:54 PM
Ok, so you need to consider that “there is NO clear model-data discrepancy in tropical tropospheric trends once you take the systematic uncertainties in data and models seriously”.
We can then expect “systematic uncertainties” in the Global Warming models because – The Global Warming Models can be expected to be UNCERTAIN and thus INACCURATE!
Because the Global Warming models are NOT ACCURATE!
I can’t understand how we are supposed to believe the Global Warming Alarmists seriously, when they claim that it is Normal for their Global Warming Models to be INACCURATE!
Y’all can’t even predict with much certainty the 1, 3, 5, 7, 10, or 15 day weather forecasts, yet we are supposed to swallow hole and believe your 100-year Gloobal Warming forecasts.
Max, you don’t understand the difference between Climate Change and Weather!
You are correct Cosmos. I don’t understand you alledged “scientists” who claim to be able to forecast 100 years down the road when you can’t even predict tomorrow!
Just steer in the direction I tell you to, trust me! I know where we be going.
Right.
CapN — Dont feed that Troll — yesterday, AmWay suggested that JFK needed to be assasinated.
No wonder he/she feels that way about taxes.
Posted by: Chas. | December 12, 2007 at 05:35 PM
WHEN did he say that?
And to all you folks who ridiculed us for the boycott last spring when we said that the Blog would be better with a moderator pulling posts? . . . yup, we were right.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 12, 2007 at 06:08 PM
Yes Capn, CENSORED comments are ALWAYS better then allowing people to have free speech.
If you have free speech, who knows what could happen?
The Republicans are the party of depriving sick children of health care.
Posted by: J R | December 12, 2007 at 06:34 PM
Bush is the President opposed to free health care for those making up to $80,000 per year!
Yeah, crucify those non-socialists!
I thought it was great in today’s Republican debate when Fred refused the schoolmarm’s request for a show of hands on belief in global warming.
That kind of simplistic nonsense in a presidential debate has always bothered me. I recall in an earlier Republican debate one of the insufferable moderators did the same thing on belief in evolution. As if there is a yes or no answer to either question.
Posted by: outlander | December 12, 2007 at 09:07 PM
You mean there isnt Yes or No answer to either of those questions?? Gee, from what I red here, I would have guessed there must be!! LOL
Posted by: Chas. | December 12, 2007 at 09:13 PM
Thompson showed balls in not being trapped into answering a loaded question that cannot be answered by a simple Yes or No.
I would hope our next President is NOT so simplistic that he thinks every issue is black and white and can be answered with a Yes or No answer.
IF the CO2 layer is sufficient to form a layer, the HEAT cannot escape into space, thus it stays trapped as colder air in the stratosphere…
Posted by: Chas. | December 12, 2007 at 09:58 PM
This is REALLY RICH!
The HOT globally warmed air stays trapped as COLD air!
Y’all hear yourselves?
Maybe the COLD air being caused by Global Coooling is being trapped as HOT air at the lower levels.
Thompson showed spin and cop out and pandering.
bush showed let the little kids without insurance suffer and die.
Is that what you are defending Max?
Yeah…uh…good luck with that.(not sincere)
And NOW we have a voice and other videos to connect to “kansas”
Nice to hear the voice that threatens to shoot me.
And the video? Better than I could do….for now.
But LAME! BAD! So awful it is funny.
Inflamatory sound bites from the Democratic Underground will get you no where with those in the top 50% of brain power JR.
Only the below average will buy your story. Where’s your supporting documentation?
“little kids without insurance suffer and die”
Did Hillary think that one up for you?
What little kids? How many? What income tax bracket are their parents in?
Thompson showed “spin”? When? Give me a quote.
Thompson showed “cop out”? When?Give me a quote.
Thompson showed “pandering”? When?Give me a quote.
Smoke JR. You B blowing smoke.
JR, your 10:46 post, what are you talking about?
Well J R, it’s my first time with that particular software. And it’s not my voice, it’s a sophisticated speech synthesizer I use.
I made it for kids mainly to enjoy the holiday season.
You know J R,
instead of being a contrary sourpuss all the time.
MAX — Read the Rant >>> It doesnt look terribly sane to me!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/12/open-thread-1-9.html#comment-93201392
Oh and J R, if I hear that false accusation one more time, off to Dave Knadler it goes. :)
” Nice to hear the voice that threatens to shoot me.”Posted by: J R | December 12, 2007 at 10:46 PM
This is REALLY RICH!
The HOT globally warmed air stays trapped as COLD air! (MAX)==============================
Ahhhh!! I think you have finally got it Max… In your own denial and put down, you finally stumbled on to what many have been saying for a LONG time!
It works on the same principle as the insulation in the top of your house (Think Pink Corning Stuff) The Heat stays IN… because of the insulation…
And Max, please remember warm air rises, UNTIL it cools, and then falls again…
And, as Cosmos says, Think GLOBAL, not weather forecast!! Weather forecasts are for local areas, and are prone to miss many times… But think GLOBAL.. and long range… not tomorrow, or even next week…
Think like a ship’s navigator… having to look far ahead and determine weather conditions far ahead of the ship!
I liked Kansas’s synthescized voice with the Rudolph story.
What’s wrong with it?
Y’all afraid of The Night Before Christmas story?
If this post gets censored, I guess many would leave this blog.
I don’t frequent Dem underground Max.I DO monitor talk radio on a daily basis.
When I could, I bought insurance for my son and I.
I have no insurance now. My son is on the Kansas version of SCHIPS.
Anything other than emergency stabilizing care and I’m dead. When SCHIPS runs out because of bush’s vetoes, my son will be in the same place.
The upshot is I can use this to teach my son what Republicans are about.
And Thompson?
I thought and certainly have experienced that Republicans are all about yes/no up/down black/white.
Why the dodge with Thompson?
Well I have to speculate he didn’t know which way to jump.
That’s an issue for him to address with folks like you Max not me.
Thank me for calling him on it.
Ok Chas, I get it now.
(Twilight Zone theme: doo doo doo do, doo doo doo do, dooooooo!)
Kansas, that was a nice You Tube on The Night Before Christmas!
I don’t care if everyone else on this blog hates it! (Surprised?)
I like it!
Did you or did you not say you needed to borrow a ‘twice barrel” to deal with me there “kansas”.
I’m not afraid of reposting your own words.
“The only way for heat to go is up and out into space – ergo cooling.”
Posted by: Kansas | December 12, 2007 at 09:52 PM
“Ok Cosmos, we have global cooling now. That’s what they were saying 30 years ago!”
Posted by: Max | December 12, 2007 at 10:07 PM
“This is REALLY RICH!
The HOT globally warmed air stays trapped as COLD air!
Y’all hear yourselves?
Maybe the COLD air being caused by Global Coooling is being trapped as HOT air at the lower levels.”
Posted by: Max | December 12, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Kansas and Max are wrong. Ben explained it upthread — read ‘Greenhouse gases also cause stratospheric cooling’ at wunderground.
“Upper atmosphere cooling – as expected:”
http://www.wunderground.com/education/strato_cooling.asp
Posted by: Ben | December 12, 2007 at 12:57 PM
And Ben posted a rough analogy about at 3:21 PM.
It’s also in picture of GISS model run at link I posted,http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/12/tropical-troposphere-trends
“The first thing to note about the two pictures is how similar they are. … They differ most clearly in the stratosphere (the part above 100mb) where CO2 causes cooling while solar causes warming.”
The upshot is I can use this to teach my son what Republicans are about. JR
The lack of healthcare insurance for you and your son, teaches your son more about what YOU are about, then what Republicans are about.
Do you realize that 85% of Americans have health insurance that they pay for?
What’s that say to your boy when you have to tell him that he is in the bottom 15%?
Does it reflect poorly on you, or reflect poorly on the Government that is not Socialist enough to provide Food, Shelter, Clothing, Housing, and Health Care for everyone whether they work for it and earn it or not?
No J R, as usual you twists words around to make people look bad. Evidently, you don’t know a joke when you see one and it wasn’t really directed at you are anyone in specific.
For once in your life, why don’t you stop attacking other people.
It’s making you look like a very small minded, prejudiced person who only seeks to promote hate.
Tara already chided you for being overly ridiculous about taking people’s words out of context.
Try and learn from that J R.
No one cares to read your words J R, because they come off as petty and with vicious, hurtful intent.
Do try and grow up J R.
IPPC Climate Model Computers are known not to run simulations that occur during night time hours.
So cosmos, tell me what happens at night, you know the other half of the day when the temperatures cool down from the earth’s surface and that thing they call heat is allowed to escape into space. This has been known for a very long time and it is still a fact.
Thermodynamics don’t change cosmos, only editorialized science does.
Tell it to several million people and growing Max.
Sell it next election.
Those who have no health care it is their own fault.
You best re-think that.
Max, I dont know how much you have traveled in your life time… But, when I was a kid we spent many summers in Pittsburgh, PA, and the surrounding area.
The “climate” of Pittsburgh was nearly impossible for a hay fever kid from Kansas. Always had to get extra strength Rx’s for me before we could go there.
When it rained, the rain was sort of dirty mud or black colored. Dad would hurry to get the car IN the garage, so as not to get all of the soot, and smoke debris all over the car.
There was a town we had to drive through to visit other relatives – Monaca – (pron. Mo-Nack-ah) They had signs up on the highways, “Please Turn On Your Lights” If you didn’t you couldnt see in front of you!
The wonderful Three Rivers were SO oily, and dirty, there was no swimming allowed!
TODAY — Pittsburgh is a beautiful city! The rivers are cleaned up. There isnt nearly as much smog now. And Monaca no longer needs signs to tell people to turn on their lights!
You can see the blue skies over PA now when you are in Pittsburgh!
That was a small picture of what is gradually occurring all over the entire planet. No, it isnt happening FAST.. It didnt happen fast in Pittsburgh either!
And it took many YEARS to clean the place up again! But it is now cleaned up! People go boating in the 3 rivers now, and kids swim at designated places, and people fish in those rivers! Because the people of Pittsburgh said, “We are killing our city! We have to STOP what we are doing and change the way we live!” And they DID it!
Before he died, my dad got to see the gorgeous city where he grew up, looking at smoggeed up skies, and breathing foul air, and watching dirty brown/black rain his entire life growing up there.
He couldnt believe that the City had actually done that to itself with all of the urban/industrial garbage pumped into the air, and the water and the total environment!
WE can change our planet, and keep more of this kind of thing from happening to the entire world!
I hope we all work at that huge task! I think we can do it!
I was truly surprised by all but one of the Republican Candidates agreeing that Global Warming/Climate Change is a REAL problem, and that us humans have had a hand in making many of the problems we now face!
That’s a good start!
Please note,
In the following, “kansas” uses info he got from econPaul.
The name he attributes to me is incorrect. I repost it here only to demonstrate the threats from “kansas”
The difference is? I’m not known for a volatile temper and a disturbed thought process. “kansas” IS.
He lives within walking distance of Kellogg too.
Posted by: J R | December 04, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Shut up Rimmel
Posted by: Kansas | December 04, 2007 at 11:06 AM
That’s not my name Mcluer. What? Are you gonna shoot at me?
Posted by: J R | December 04, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Maybe I will borrow a twice barrel Rimmel.
Oh and that’s not my name either.
You Libs are so gullible. lmao!
Posted by: Kansas | December 04, 2007 at 11:09 AM
Where’s my twice barrel shoot gun when I need it.
Posted by: Republican | April 10, 2007 at 01:39 AM
Posted by: J R | December 04, 2007 at 11:13 AM
http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=337470&id=92327084
Where’s my twice barrel shoot gun when I need it.
Posted by: Republican | April 10, 2007 at 01:39 AM
I’m willing to Steven Davis.
Understand though, this about the fifth time in the past two days that J R has brought this false statement up.
J R’s intentions are clear, he wants to provoke a fight by baiting me.
J R can cease and desist or David K. will shut this thread down.
You do know what “out of context” means don’t you J R”
Posted by: Kansas | December 12, 2007 at 11:31 PM
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THIS – Kansas – is BAITING!! It is also an INSULT to JR’s intelligence. So, dont try and play Mr. Nice-Nice!
No Chas, I was pointing out what he was doing in case he didn’t realize it or understand the concept of quoting someone out of context.
If I was baiting, you would know it. That’s simply a question to ask J R if he knows what “out of context” quotes from other threads or places mean.
On that last entry, I’m off to bed.
But please do continue to argue about something that really isn’t worth arguing about.
Go ahead and defend yourself if you must, but it is still an insult to his intelligence.
There are many who would say that what JR posted was not out of the context of the conversation. And it is Open Thread.
You two fight it out.
THIS – Kansas – is BAITING!! It is also an INSULT to JR’s intelligence. So, dont try and play Mr. Nice-Nice!
Posted by: Chas. | December 12, 2007 at 11:42 PM_________
Sometimes it’s hard to determine who is the pot and who is the kettle.
Or should that be “whom”?
“Y’all can’t even predict with much certainty the 1, 3, 5, 7, 10, or 15 day weather forecasts, yet we are supposed to swallow hole and believe your 100-year Gloobal Warming forecasts.
Max, you don’t understand the difference between Climate Change and Weather!
You are correct Cosmos. I don’t understand you alledged “scientists” who claim to be able to forecast 100 years down the road when you can’t even predict tomorrow!”
Posted by Max
Max, if you cannot understand that climate is the long term average of weather, do yourself a favor, and avoid the global warming issue.
Daily weather is chaos — but climate is the more stable, long-term average of weather.
Forecasting weather is like predicting where incoming waves will move a grain of sand on a beach.
Predicting future climate is more like making tide charts — consider the orbit of the moon, etc.
And the biggest errors are not in the computer climate models — they’re in the future’s unknown, positive natural feedbacks. Like rapid loss of Arctic sea ice, less carbon “sink” in the oceans and soil, etc.
These are old, pre-2001, but are illustrative.’Comparison between modeled and observations of temperature rise since the year 1860′http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/205194main_temp_graphs.jpg
I promised to be quiet and I will.
But I do have to cite.
“kansas” is off to bed and 6 minutes later “comment tator” shows up.
Folks? The editors can’t do anything about this. Banning IP’s is easy to get around.
We will have to deal with this amongst ourselves.
Myself I like to be known for what I have posted before and any posts I make placed against that record.
“JMkansasRepublicannewnichere” has a different agenda.
And the night is all his.
I think you are correct, J R.
I see you all were not behaving well earlier. *tsk*tsk*tsk*
I bet Louie could round up the usual suspects.
OK Let’s not feed the Troll, no matter what it takes!!
Good night; Good luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings All!!
MERRY XRMAS!!
Here you go, on my way to bathroom, checked this thread.
Here’s another of J R’s paranoid posts where he is proven absolutely wrong.
Notice the time of my post and Commnent Tater’s post, both at the same time.
It’s pretty clear that comment tator = kansas
It was the “arm waving” gave him away.
Posted by: J R | December 11, 2007 at 08:24 PM
J R thinks I’m “Comment Tater” ksgrm. If only I had thought up such a clever blog name. :)
Posted by: Kansas | December 11, 2007 at 08:26 PM
JR.
I thought you weren’t speaking to me.
Posted by: Comment Tater | December 11, 2007 at 08:26 PM
Please stop being paranoid about who I am J R. It’s not good for you.
I don’t have a clue who Comment Tater is other than he/she is not me.
Nite Nite Kansas!
I just fixed some nice warm milk before bed… helps me unwind… give it a try Kansas… it works real good!
Some people should sleep more and post less.
And…
Hooray for capn!