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Okay, the 1:24 post was mine.
More TypePad snafus . . .
CapnAmerica
The Topeka Capital Journal broke a “scandal” over four hours ago according to Google News and so far no other newspaper is reporting the same story. Curious.
Capt’n: What’s the secret for making anonymous posts ?
No secret.
It’s doing it TO me, I’m not doing anything different that I know of.
first off medowlark, even if you could redirect through sixteen servers and get Dick Cheney to put his name on your posts. EVERY one would know they can from you! No one else posts the topics you do.
I am afraid there are several of us who no matter what name or lack there of. Everyone would know it was that person.
So the A.G. Morrison is in a sex scandal. I alwys thought it was the Repubs that got jammed up over sex and the Demos got caught stealing money. (The coolest prez Bill Clinton excepted) Now here is Morrison screwing around (and I do mean around). But then he only became a Demo to beat out Kline. So, maybe he really can still count as a Repub. Ok?
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, surging in Iowa polls in the Republican presidential race, wrote on a questionnaire while running for U.S. Senate in 1992 that homosexuality is “aberrant” and “sinful.”
“I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk,”
Huckabee also wrote that he wanted to quarantine AIDS patients.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7270.html
Just what we need, a republican homophobe. Another compassionate conservative.
From the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664.html?hpid=topnews. It seems like the Democrats were all in favor of waterboarding before they were against it. Democrats lied but Americans lived thanks to George W. Bush.
In an alarming survey published today into knowledge of the Christmas story, it appears that one in four adults do not know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=500467&in_page_id=1770
It seems like the Democrats were all in favor of waterboarding before they were against it.Posted by: Al B | December 09, 2007 at 08:47 AM
Four Democrats hardly constitutes “all Democrats”.
Way to lie and spin, Al B.
Turns out Willard Romney was for abortion before he was against it.
Turns out Rudy Giuliani was for gay marriage before he was against it.
Turns out Mike Huckabee was for tax increases before he was against them.
Turns out John McCain was for illegal immigrants before he was… well, he’s still for them.
Turns out Ron Paul is for everything “CONservatives” *said* they were for… until he actually believed it.
Being a Republic Party advocate has got to be like being a lifelong Kansas City Chiefs fan. Ya still show up in red, but ya know the home team is swirlling around the toilet.
XXX If you will carefully READ the Washington Post article and carefully READ my comment you will find that ALL of the Democrats who were briefed were ALL in favor of doing whatever necessary including ‘water boarding’ to get information. Reporting facts is NOT lies and spin.
Al B, I did carefully READ the Washington Post article. I also READ your post that said:”It seems like the Democrats were all in favor of waterboarding”
Four Democrats doesn’t constitute ALL Democrats.
Nice attempt at spin.You’re not very good at it.
How very FOX news of ya Al.
Take ONE line out of a story and shill it without any context.
From YOUR link:
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Congressional officials say the groups’ ability to challenge the practices was hampered by strict rules of secrecy that prohibited them from being able to take notes or consult legal experts or members of their own staffs. And while various officials have described the briefings as detailed and graphic, it is unclear precisely what members were told about waterboarding and how it is conducted. Several officials familiar with the briefings also recalled that the meetings were marked by an atmosphere of deep concern about the possibility of an imminent terrorist attack.
“In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic,” said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. “But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, ‘We don’t care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.’ ”
Al? This gets you today’s first nomination for worst poster on the blog.
Lame.
Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002In Meetings, Spy Panels’ Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
By Joby Warrick and Dan EggenWashington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; Page A01
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.”
The above is for you that won’t take the time to read the link posted. The Dems knew about it and were wanting tougher interrogations. It is all a publicity scam and the liberal left have been out beating their drum for the do nothing congress and senate. If I were them I would probably be trying to change the subject too. No budget, no appropriations for the military, no SCHIP program that will pass muster – all three months and more behind. Lets have another ‘investigation’. They have failed and need a change of subject.
It must feel bad to be duped like this.
I consider people who are so obstinate they can’t take new facts into consideration to be the ones who are duped. overandoverandover. Most people have seen the poor decisions made in the years since 9/11, the decisions which have made our country a much more dangerous place and know what was is past and what should be is our best chance for the future.
Good point, Linda! Excellent!
J R what are you running from? The truth has finally came out and we now know the rest of the story.
As adults I guess we can move forward and get the past the empty suits leading the senate and congress. How sad!
We as Kansans have our own scandal to look at. We have an Attorney General who looked us in the eye and said there was nothing to the allegations about his sexual harrassment of employees. We have his wife accusing Kline of maligning her marriage because he brought by Morrisons sexual proclivities. All this while running for the top law maker in Kansas.
I demand an investigation. I demand it now. Put everything else on hold. This man from his position as AG was manipulating the Johnston Co. DA office. Trying to get Carter to be a mole in that office and feed him inside info.
It looks as if it is time for him to resign. He should go quietly into the dark night. Bet he doesn’t. This man has no scrupples.
Linda and Chas I guess the difference is that the libs tell us over and over again day after day that Bush lied, and lied, and lied – and then we find out the Pelosi and other top dems was in on it from day one and we are the one denying the truth?
I am a very proud liberal. I do not support or justify ANYONE, including Nancy Pelosi, who supports or even turns their head to torture. It is wrong for any country and America is better than that! But if people have used new facts and made changes I applaud them over those who haven’t.
The article says FOUR members and goes on to say this was a bipartisan group. Now, if it was split evenly that means TWO of the members were from each major party. So, I see no need to condemn ALL members of either party for something a couple of people did. And, have those FOUR people sen new facts and changed their opinions based on that new information?
How you spin 4 were briefed, some approved, into all 4 agreed with, is beyond me.The Washington Post, quoting unnamed officials, reported Sunday that at least four members of Congress were briefed about controversial techniques such as water-boarding as early as 2002. With the 2001 terrorist attacks fresh in mind, several of them even approved of the approach. The group included current Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the Post reported, but it was not clear if she had condoned the methods.
And ksgrm, because I am a proud liberal and recognize that people who are also liberal may (and do!) disagree with me on many topics, I think generalizations aren’t very accurate.
Now, if a group, say bushco or the 28 percenters, have proven to be of a like mind then it probably describes the entire group when you use a label.
Phantom you have a point and I will wait for the next chapter before drawing a conclusion. We in both parties tend to jump on articles that are favorable to our position and to poopoo those we don’t agree with.
That is what I did with the Morrison deal. It is reprehensible that this went on in a public workplace if it did. We do need to get to the bottom of it. Reminds us of the Stephen debacle and makes one wonder how much Stephens knew when he supported Morrison.
I am unable to find an article in the Eagle that talks about Morrison?? Help??
I agree with Phantom and Linda… Which of those four endorsed the waterboarding, and which did not??
I would be opposed to ANY who agreed with it, no matter which Party they represent.
But, in addition, we also need to know if those who agreed with it in 2002, on the heels of 9/11, have since changed their stance, in light of new information??
I think it might be too soon to reach any definitive conclusions as yet.
Chas – the article is in the Topeka Capitol Journal. The WE did nothing with it.
The DEMocrats must be so proud of their boy. He said during his campain regarding another sexual harrasment charge that he was innocent.
Sort of sounds like Bill Clinton when he said “I did not have sexual relations with that women”.
Maybe Morrison didn’t with the first one but he certainly did with the second one.
What a joke.
Link please??
IF Morrison did as you claim, then he should step aside. But… on what information do you base your certainty?
Chas do your homework. That is what we had to do. The Topeka paper wrote about it the Eagle didn’t. What does that tell you?
Linda what so many on the left seem to dismiss is that with that same fervor the CIA went after suspected terrorists. The 28% had nothing to do with this action. They were protecting our nation which was under seige. What I don’t understand is how dems miss the point that in 2007 we can say ‘Oh I made a mistake when I voted to go forward with that and also said to increase it because it is necessary’. It is like painting my house yellow and then deciding I really wanted it blue. I don’t have a mouse to click and change the color. I’ve already done it. My options are to live with the yellow house or make a new decision and correct the color to one I really like.
Why is it so hard to understand that once decisions are made and voted on we can’t five years later say ‘oops’?
I think we should dissemble Tiahrts tirade against the dems. today.
Here’s the Cap Journal article:
http://cjonline.com/stories/120907/sta_224057474.shtml
Note that it’s not an AP article, it’s bylined by Tim Carpenter, a CJ investigative reporter. It’ll certainly be in all the other Kansas papers tomorrow.
Also Headlined on Channel 12, Eyewitness News
Morrison acknowledges affair with former assistant
http://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=7471730
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) – Attorney General Paul Morrison is acknowledging that he had an extramarital affair with a former top staffer.
But Morrison is denying allegations of sexual harassment lodged by Linda Carter. She’s the former director of administration in the Johnson County District Attorney’s Office.
The Topeka-Capital Journal reported on the affair Sunday.http://www.cjonline.com/stories/120907/sta_224057474.shtml
It seems like the Democrats were all in favor of waterboarding before they were against it. Democrats lied but Americans lived thanks to George W. Bush.
Another classic disinformation “plant.” Note the two “unnamed officials.” What officials? Without that information the story is meaningless. This is classic, the newspapers are falling for the same s they have fallen for for years now.
When I refer to the 28 percenters it is those people who agree with bushco without question. I don’t know anyone I agree with completely on every topic. I’ve never known of any person in any elected office who was always correct. But, I’ve seen the most outlandish excuses and unwarranted support for the worst decisions ever made. Those are the 28 percenters. If they didn’t make the decisions they certainly excuse and support them and that makes them complicit with same.
We can change. We must change. The past is the past, the future will be different. I think new people with the same information can change the course we are currently on and I think that is needed. They will paint the yellow house blue. And, you know what, if after its blue it should have been brown then the blue should be painted over too
That’s how adults conduct life. We make the best decision we can and remain open to change and improvement. We admit our failures and learn from them.
I think its insane to NOT make changes to failed policy. I think bushco are insane people and our greatest danger.
Okay lindainks55 that’s fair, then why not refer to the Congress as the 20 percenters as polls indicate that’s the approval rating for both houses of Congress since the Democrats took over.?
I could keep saying that you and your ilk are Morrison-like and 20 percenters over and over as well too.
Would you like it?
“Why is it so hard to understand that once decisions are made and voted on we can’t five years later say ‘oops’?”
“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, science for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.” — Albert Einstein
I am MOST disappointed in Congress! We’ve seen very little difference, and my patience is wearing more than thin. I will NOT support lack of change, that’s why they were elected and another election looms.
I think it is very encouraging that a small number of people support Congress. It does my heart good to know WE THE PEOPLE have better sense than those who supposedly represent us.
I don’t know why Morrison was a part of your post about Congress when one is a state elected official, but hey keep on bringing up the poor opinions of Congress. Maybe we can get their attention.
Linda I guess you probably don’t know many 28%ers on this blog. I have posted many times that I have major differences with Bush on his immigration policy – or lack of one – and his wild spending. I back his war position while hoping we will be out of there soon. Once we start a war we don’t get an oops moment.
Annie sorry you can’t see the logic in this but by ignoring the past we are doomed to repeat it.
There is plenty of blame to go around but Linda I am not a 26%er.
I think we should dissemble Tiahrts tirade against the dems. today.
Posted by: The Phantom | December 09, 2007 at 12:17 PM
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I’ll start!
Tiahrt begins his rant with the first sentence mentioning, “….support armies.” I can’t think of a better way to support them than to bring them home from an unjust and necessary war.
He goes on in his second sentence to mention, “…the will of this nation.” NOTHING in his rant published in today’s paper agrees with the will of this nation. Maybe with many in this state, but definitely not with this nation!
OK, someone else take it.
I made a HUGE error which I must correct!
In my post of 12:43 I call this war a necessary war and I meant UNNECESSARY!
Linda we really aren’t that far apart in our thinking. I know that probably scares you but it is meant as a compliment. You do have an open mind. You won’t just set back and allow government to walk on you.
I can assure you that all of our congressmen and senator offices know my name. If they are less than open or do something that is going against the will of the people (immigration) I not only write but I alert an entire network of people who in turn alert their networks and on and on. It works. They are politicians afterall and want to re-elected.
We may not agree on the action needed but we both want what is best for our country. We just differ at times what is best. Hold their feet to the fire. It works.
“They were protecting our nation which was under seige.”
We have our second nomination for worst poster of the day! Er congratulation ksgrm.
Under siege? You must not know what a siege is.
Over the top.
Re: Morrisson, “Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned”.
Ummmm If I paint my house yellow one year, and decide I want it blue, what is the problem with that?? If I make a bad choice on one thing, must I be doomed to keep on repeating it when I have different information that allows me to change my choice?? I am not seeing why there is a problem here to be condemned!!
I mean, honestly, how many people change their furniture in their houses frequently?? To the point it has become a favorite theme of comedians??
i gotta admit, “under siege” is a little much, Ksgrm!! LOL
Give her the Afghanistan war. We ALL agree on that one. Surely that’s the war she was speaking about when she talked about being under siege. Everyone knows Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!
We had a few buildings knocked down, lost 4 airplanes and about 3,000 people.
In the greater scheme of world events and history, that’s NOT really that big a thing.
But we Americans are spoiled and weak. SO we ran around like beheaded chickens and wailed or listened to others wail about how we were “under siege!”
AND we made lots of bad choices and afforded bush all sorts of leeway that he cheerfully abused.
Under siege?
Go read about Leningrad. THAT was a siege.
9/11 was a mass murder not an act of war, we should have went after the perps and allowed them no refuge instead we let ourselves get bogged down in two wars. The first may have been justified, but it suffered from moving on to the second.
The Morrison story is quite a mess, as I see it… At this point, it looks like a whole lot of “He said” “She said” — But thats what the EEOC filing will have to deal with.
Personally, I would most likely counsel Mr. Morrison to step down from the AG position, and get his life affairs in order, and then get on with his life, somewhere outside of the political arena…
That is, of course, just my opinion…
Reposted for easy reference:REP. TODD TIAHRT: DEMS MUST STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH WAR FUNDINGBY REP. TODD TIAHRTThere are few responsibilities required of Congress by the Constitution, but one of the most sacred is to “raise and support armies.” It is the duty of Congress to ensure that those sacrificing for the cause of freedom have the resources to carry out the will of this nation. Brave men and women are fighting far from home and away from loved ones.
However, instead of providing them the funding they desperately need to keep them safe, the congressional Democrat leadership has decided to play a game of political chicken with President Bush. Although the security of all Americans is hurt by this “game,” the true losers are our soldiers overseas and the loved ones they left behind.
The funding bill before Congress, requested more than 10 months ago, pays for the cost of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and requirements associated with the global war on terror. This operations and maintenance funding would pay for such things as gasoline for the vehicles, body armor for our soldiers, and the transportation to the battlefield of mine-resistant armored protection vehicles, which save American lives against improvised explosive devices.
But instead of keeping our soldiers safe, congressional politics is hurting morale at home and abroad. As Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey pointed out, “What’s going on now sends a terrible signal to my soldiers and their families.”
The soldiers and their families here in Kansas at Fort Riley and Fort Leavenworth may also suffer more than just poor morale for the decision of some Democrats in Congress. Because Democrat leadership has refused to pass the funding bill, the Department of the Army has to take steps to plan for reduced operations at all Army bases. The Pentagon estimates that up to 200,000 employees, including many Kansans, may receive pink slips for Christmas. Army Secretary Pete Geren said that delayed war funds “will put a terrible burden on soldiers, on families, on institutional learning, our ability to train.”
This means civilian employees at Riley and Leavenworth will be furloughed. Their child care centers and libraries will close. Their family and youth services and activities will be halted. Even counseling services for returning soldiers and their families at Riley and Leavenworth will be curtailed.
Congress’ decision to not pass a funding bill is dangerous and irresponsible, and during this holiday season, it is all the more reprehensible. However, I will continue to push congressional leaders to stop their games and start putting our soldiers and their families first. As a member of Congress, this is my constitutional responsibility, and as a citizen, it is my moral obligation.
Phantom, my opinion is still that we let the Saudi’s have a free ride after 9/11, and instead went after Afghanistan, and unfortunately, Iraq!!
Meanwhile, we are still holding hands in the Rose Garden with the Saudi’s!! LOL
I am a very proud liberal.Posted by: lindainks55 | December 09, 2007 at 11:31 AM
What is it exactly, that makes you proud to be a Liberal?
Maybe you can convert me.
I’ll take the Glaring headline “Dems. must stop playing games with war funding.”Obviously this isn’t a one player game, the president has vetoed funding for the troops, and unless he gets exactly as he dictates will vetoe again. Besides the pres., he has on his team those like Sen. Roberts, Sen. Brownback, and Rep. Tiahrt plus a small legion in the Republic party.
Yeah Todd is a real good little shill for bush. He’s behind the troops ok.
WAYYY behind them.
I mean, honestly, how many people change their furniture in their houses frequently?? To the point it has become a favorite theme of comedians??
Posted by: Chas. | December 09, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Chas you aren’t really this obtuse are you? Analogy – look it up. I don’t want to paint my house, it isn’t yellow, hasn’t ever been blue. Get a grip.
I still say that when this ‘attack’ was made we as a nation didn’t know for some time who did it or why. That is something the dems and repubs agreed on.
Do I think it was a good decision. Knowing what I know now probably not. Can we however go back 3,4 or even 5 years later and undo the war. The answer sadly is no.
We can bog down on this issue or as a nation we can move forward. Dems – even Murtha – agree the surge is working. I hope this means we will have the majority of our men and women home soon.
As a nation we need to move forward. We have a national election coming up and from all of the coverage we are getting we don’t have much time to make up our minds as a nation how we will handle it.
Phantom this was the Clinton viewpoint. It was a criminal act. These weren’t our citizens attacking the US eventhough our court system is trying to give them citizen status.
Did we not think we were under ’siege’ when Pearl Harbor was attacked? After all this was a one time occurence wasn’t it?
We had a few buildings knocked down, lost 4 airplanes and about 3,000 people.
In the greater scheme of world events and history, that’s NOT really that big a thing.Posted by: J R | December 09, 2007 at 01:11 PM
If statements like these make some proud to be Liberals, then they can stick it.
9/11 was a mass murder not an act of war,Posted by: The Phantom | December 09, 2007 at 01:17 PM
More Liberal dogma. Proud to be Liberal?
A little era context please?
In Dec. 1941, Hitler’s armies controlled all of Europe. They had rolled a third of the way across the Soviet Union as well and were capturing or killing whole Russian armies by the day.
In one swoop the Japanese all but eliminated our ability to defend our west coast against their mighty fleet and growing ambition.
These two world powers were allies.
Now does any reasonable person lift the attack on 911 to compare?
Rediculous.
I’m proud to be a person who thinks as opposed to reacting Max.
So JR, when did the Japanese attack the US west coast?
We didn’t need to go to war after 12/7/41. It was a mass murder, not an act of war.
We were never attacked on the west coast or the east coast.
FDR decided to take over the world and use Pearl Harbor as an excuse.
Oh and a little more history?
The siege of Leningrad began around the same time as the attack on Pearl Harbor.
It lasted with very little relief to the inhabitants of the city for over two years.
There are REAL threats in the world. China already owns a lot of our wealth and makes most of our stuff.
QUIT scaring Americans with the little stuff. They’ll be too utterly terrified to address a real threat in the future.
Max you are being silly.
Japan declared war on the United States.
They were just 30 minutes late translating the declaration.
And the Japanese DID attack the west coast. Not in any meaningful way but they did do it.
And German submarines were already sinking American ships.
Now does any reasonable person lift the attack on 911 to compare?
Rediculous.
Posted by: J R | December 09, 2007 at 01:36 PM
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/
On October 7, 1940, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence submitted a memo to Navy Captains Walter Anderson and Dudley Knox (whose endorsement is included in the following scans). Captains Anderson and Knox were two of President Roosevelt’s most trusted military advisors.
The memo, scanned below, detailed an 8 step plan to provoke Japan into attacking the United States. President Roosevelt, over the course of 1941, implemented all 8 of the recommendations contained in the McCollum memo. Following the eighth provocation, Japan attacked. The public was told that it was a complete surprise, an “intelligence failure”, and America entered World War Two.
Could this be true. Was that old Democrat Roosevelt using the American intel to get us into a war by provoking Japan. That is what the memos released in 1994 show.
So can we go back and undo WWII? I think not. It is a dangerous thing we the citizens and congress try by their machinations to govern. Leaving the prez no opportunity to protect our country.
J R how do you respond to this?
Max you beat me to the punch but I have given JR a link to read. It’s make FDR look not just a little sinister.
I can imagine the Libs today reacting to the Pearl Harbor attack back in 1941.
“Hawaii is not a state, why should we care? The Japs killed military mostly, they knew the risks when they joined. We’ll negotiate with the Japanese.”
That’s what would have happened if the Lib mindset would have been in play in 1941.
You’ll get no argument from me that FDR wanted war. You’ll get no argument he provoked Japan.
This is relevant as to 911 how?
Hey Max? Google “Japanese submarine attacked west coast”
Interesting history that most people don’t know.
“The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly 72 million people. The civilian toll was around 47 million, including 20 million deaths due to war related famine and disease. The military toll was about 25 million, including the deaths of about 5 million prisoners of war in captivity. The Allies lost about 61 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million.”
This makes “Bush’s” little war pale by comparison doesn’t it?
Correct ksgrm. FDR lied! He prayed on our fears!
And JR, what did Lenningrad have to do with Pearl Harbor?
Still waiting for some Lib to tell me exactly why he/she is proud to be a Lib? (In detail, please)
Maybe you can convert me.
And “kansas” demonstrates his lack of historical knowledge…
It was Republican isolationists wanted no part of the second world war, not Democrats as ksgrm has shown.
Do you SERIOUSLY compare 911 to Dec. 12 1941?
Do you have any idea how obtuse that is?
Dec 12 1941?
“Promote the general welfare….”
“Of by and for the people…”
“A house divided cannot stand”
These are a few reasons why I am proud to be a liberal Max.
ksgrm said we were “under siege” max.
I was getting her familiar with the definition of a siege.
How about the draft Max?
That was the essence of liberalism,no?
Could we have won World war II without it? Maybe. Maybe not.
I know JR, there were isolated incidents with subs.
Probably the biggest attack on the US during WWII outside of Pearl Harbor, was Alaska. Look that one up.
And those rationings and salary caps. Why those were liberal too.
What is it exactly, that makes you proud to be a Liberal?
Maybe you can convert me.
Posted by: Max | December 09, 2007 at 01:21 PM
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I’ve never seen anything from any of your posts that would indicate you could be “converted.” Besides, I think each person should make up their own mind after careful examination of all the evidence and data.
Are you a person who needs to be told / persuaded how to think?
Comparing 911 to World War II is an insult to those who lived through World War II.
Imagine a 911 everyday for months on end. It happened in England, Russia, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, etc.
sigh…
Yes I meant Dec. 12 1941
Most of America had little info about the attack at Pearl Harbor until the next day or several days.
No 24 hour news channels, limited radio and print media etc.
Parse minutia much?
Minutia?
What day is Pearl Harbor Day on J R?
Is it Dec 12th?
So by your rational, instead of calling it 911, everyone can call it 916, that’s five days later as well.
“Promote the general welfare….”
“Of by and for the people…”
“A house divided cannot stand”
These are a few reasons why I am proud to be a liberal Max.
Posted by: J R | December 09, 2007 at 01:54 PM
Thanks JR, for the non-detailed answer. Also, lindalinks, thank you for your non-answer too.
It is you lindalinks who needs to be persuaded to think. If you could think, you would have a few detailed reasons to back-up your statement above – “I am a very proud liberal.”
When I ask you why Linda, you go all to pieces.
If you really were proud to be a Liberal, then you would want everyone to be convinced to go your direction, since it’s the right thing to do!
Ksgrm, unless I missed something, YOU brought up the change of mind in the house painting analogy…. I just followed through on it…
And YES, I do think we can “undo” the Iraq War, by showing that we really support our troops, by bringing them home immediately!!
If not sooner.
Right Tom!! LOL
“December 12th, 1941, a day that will live in infamy”
Don’t you remember that famous quote Kansas?
It was played on the radio on December 8th, 1941.
Most heard about the December 7 attacks the same day on the popular radio shows that were played on Sunday afternoons.
But the actual attack was December 12th. FDR was so sly, he convinced Congress to declare war before the attack.
Did conservatism win the second world war Max?
Is it conservative to send others to fight wars you yourself don’t fight?
When we think about the nations future, do we think of the nation or merely our place in it?This is why I am a proud liberal.
And that will have to do for now. This liberal is walking to the store.
I keep forgetting the Liberal tendency to revise history Max. :)
And Kansas, the Japanese attacked us because we deserved it.
The US was hoarding all the oil.
Another war about oil.
And FDR lied! He prayed on our fears!
I was trying to incorporate the information disparities of the comparative times. Sue me.
I should figure conservatives don’t get nuance.
I was trying to incorporate the information disparities of the comparative times. Sue me.
I should figure conservatives don’t get nuance.
Posted by: J R | December 09, 2007 at 02:26 PM
Liberal speak for “I screwed up and didn’t know the date that the Pearl Harbor attack was on.”
Oh, and the Jews. The war was caused by the Jews, you know.
And the Mormons were in cahoots with the Jews.
Actually Max, search the Internet for Dec 12th and the Nazi. One of the papers written by a Nazi that outlines “The Final Solution” was written on that date in 1941.
Perhaps J R was confusing the extermination of Jews and Pearl Harbor?
There were arguably 5 world powers at the time Max.
Germany controlled all of Europe and was on the verge of defeating the Soviet Union.
England would not have lasted a lot longer.
Japan dominated east Asian rim and by knocking out all but our aircraft carriers the Pacific ocean.
Now you try and compare that to 911 or Afghanistan or Iraq.
Chas it is a simplistic statement to say we can undo a war. When we have a democrat prez when will they start this. Can we let those who have lost family members that the dems are going to undo this war and they will get their loved ones back.
Just how in a detailed sense do you ‘undo’ a war?
Simple — We get out NOW!!
You just said that if you knew then, what you know now, you would not have been for it!! I was against it from the beginning, and took a ot of grief over being against bushco… So, how come some of us saw thru the scam, and some didnt??
Why Chas it must be your great mind and terrific wit. When will we start to see that here?
Still waiting on how we ‘undo’ a war.
You don’t want to trade history with me “kansas”
The US had 3 line carriers.
Japan had 6.
Chas none of us knew then what we knew now. Look at the big guns who voted for it. Bill and Hillary Clinton among others. Now you can say you are smarter than Bill and Hill. WOW!!
The US carriers were the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria.
Now granny, stop acting your age… You know darn well that “undo” is a bad term… The term is STOP the war, and get our troops HOME… immediately… Thats as close as you can get to Undo-ing the travesty of this insane war!!
And I dont care how many were killed in WW II — there is simply no comparison between WW II and Iraq… anybody with half a brain knows this, but it is just inflammatory rhetoric to constantly insert WWII into the so-called argument!!
WW II would not have lasted that long, if we would have had the technology then that we have now!!
Anyone aware of the Naval arms race in the early 1900’s and which ship type was to be limited under arms negotiations?
I’ll trade knowledge of history with you any day J R and without the use of a computer or Google. :)
I have to interject…
I’ve been around awhile, and I’ve seen Jr make some really dumb comments – ok, MANY dumb comments.
But, December 12th???
bawhahahaha
I dont really think its a competition, Kansas — LOL
It’s okay KSGolfnut, but you know we are only reminded each year of the tragic event on the same day in December.
I wonder what J R has been doing the last 40 something years? :)
I dont really think its a competition, Kansas — LOL
Posted by: Chas. | December 09, 2007 at 02:48 PM
Me neither Chas, I actually read books, have taken College Level History Courses and been to many seminars that talk about History. :)
Hey, my mother used to tell about people she knew here in Wichita who didnt know about Pearl Harbor for a week after wards… they had no radios, and couldnt afford to buy a paper… still in aftermath of the Depression…
So, quite likely there were a number of people who did NOT know about Pearl for some time!!
But, I do think most everybody will stipulate that it was December 7, 1941… My mother knew what day it was… it happened on her Birthday, and it was on a Sunday!!
Hey Kansas, don’t forget you lived through it too, right?
Last surviving Civil War vet!
:)
That was the point lost on the right there Chas.
A Sunday back then was not much like a Sunday now. By comparing 911 with Dec. 12 I was allowing people to find out more than rumors. That was a Friday and they had had all week to talk and discuss. Probably most people didn’t even know what Pearl Harbor was before the attack.
With 911 they knew all the hijackers the next day.
Pearl Harbor? What are you guys talking about?
That’s right Max. I attended many G.A.R. conventions after that war as well. I remember the time at Vicksburg…
Well, I mean the Japanese were relentless and the Battleship Yamato on the Mississippi was a horrifying sight!
:)
JR — the wsay I understand it from those who were there, there werent many rumors after Dec. 8, when Roosevelt made the speech: “Yesteday, Dec. 7, a day that will live in infamy…etc” I am told that anybody who had a radio had it turned up loud enough that anybody who could hear, would have heard that speech… unless they were a coal miner a mile under ground, or something… which is where my Dad was on Dec. 8… LOL
“Now granny, stop acting your age… You know darn well that “undo” is a bad term… The term is STOP the war, and get our troops HOME… immediately… Thats as close as you can get to Undo-ing the travesty of this insane war!!”
Sorry Chas you can’t hold me responsible for your insane comments. Explain them yourself. As to my age since you have no idea how old I am stop making another of your baseless assumptions – you do that a lot – and making an idiot out of yourself.
I go back to my original question. How do we undo what all of our esteemed leaders agreed was the right thing to do in 2001 and 2002? How do we undo the war here in real time? Still waiting.
It is easy to say we shouldn’t have gone in. WE did. What now. Support the troops? Leave them hanging with no supplies or equipment? Cut funding off for their families? Tell me how can our ‘fantastic’ save the world congress deal with this. Todd got it right like it or not.
Kansas why just the other day I was on the great battle field, Bull Run just outside of Manassas, VA. There were libs everywhere saying this war never should have happened. We should have just taken the assets of those rich land owners when their money was gone, well we would have it all. Oh wait that was the battle of Iowa that is going on now. It was just a nightmare that they took from those who had to give to those who didn’t….
No I am not defending slavery. Not making light of any part of it. The civil war was a war that had to be fought and while standing at Bull Run and seeing the rolling Virginia Hills I realized how much blood was shed on that very battlefield for this to happen. You could almost hear the cannon fire and see the flames as the first casualty of that battle was killed in her own home. War is never pretty no matter what side you are on but ocassionally it is necessary.
“Max” –
I’m a proud liberal because CONservatives have proven to be consitently, dependably, constantly, and predictably wrong about every issue that’s ever come up.
CONservatives gave us “The Gilded Age” with racism, child labor, free-market heroin over-the-counter, monopolistic capitalism, regular financial crashes and and panics, tainted food, coal-crusted industrial cities, tenements, organized crime, isolationism, prohibition, regular lynchings, Homestead Steel, gay-bashing, Billy Sunday, Amiee Semple MacPherson, Jim and Tammy Bakker, supply-side economics, the invasion of Iraq, the Scopes Trial (which Republic Party advocates are still arguing), Joe McCarthy, the Vietnam War, expanding the Vietnam war into Cambodia, the glass ceiling, Jim Crow, Plessy v. Furgeson, Gitmo, the Kansas-Nebraska Act, Leave No Child Behind, the Aliens and Sedition Act, the House Un-American Activities Committee, the Hollywood 10, Watergate, Iran-Contra, waterboarding, Abu Griab, Gitmo, Manifest Destinty, genocide against Native Americans, rejection of the League of Nations, the “threat” of Iranian nukes, “ElderCare” (Bob Dole’s rationalization for voting against Medicare), the line-item veto (which Rudy Guiliani opposed simply because a Democratic President — rather than Ronald Reagan, who advocated it had the power)…
Nope. The CONservatives have *always* been wrong. Wrong on the issues, wrong on the policies, wrong on the philosophies that have governed reality in the way this strange little planet on the edge of the universe happens to operate.
Skin color doesn’t matter, desite what CONservatives insisted. Women aren’t inferior to males simply because of their plumbing, despite CONservative dogma. It’s not *our* oil simply because we want it and they live above it.
The world has always had CONservative to deal with. And the CONservatives have always been wrong.
“Women aren’t inferior to males simply because of their plumbing, despite CONservative dogma. It’s not *our* oil simply because we want it and they live above it.”
Monkey many of your wrong I firmly believe is a right. Our country is stronger because of them. Both parties have made mistakes. I was glad to see you list the one I pasted above. We in Kansas are getting ready to have our own ‘bimbo eruption’ as the Clintons categorized it. When Paula Jones stepped forward to accuse Clinton of harrassement she was called trailer trash by James Carville, a Clinton advison. Already today we have had Chas no less refer to Morrisons problem as ‘he said, she said’. Hardly she said and he admitted she was accurate. He denies the harassament charges. Most men do. They think those ladies should be honored to have their repulsive advances.
The cons have this one right and we will see how the libs shield one of their own when he was obviously wrong.
So while you list the attributes of the libs don’t steal from the right. This is hardly a lib attribute.
hmmm
http://www.cjonline.com/stories/120907/sta_224057474.shtml
probably old news
“In the midst of her relationship with Morrison, the attorney general repeatedly tried to coerce Carter to write letters on behalf of eight former Morrison colleagues who filed a wrongful termination lawsuit in U.S. District Court against Kline, according to Carter’s statement.
Seven assistant district attorneys and the D.A. office’s chief investigator, known as the “Olathe 8,” were dismissed by Kline on the day he was sworn into office. The case is pending in federal court.
Morrison also attempted to glean from her sensitive information about Kline’s activities as district attorney, Carter’s statement said. That includes Kline’s ongoing criminal prosecution of Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri, an abortion clinic in Johnson County.”
If proved to be true, while we were paying him to be our states top law enforcer he was still following Kline around to promote a political agenda. If this doesn’t cause libs to call for his resignation nothing will.
If this doesn’t cause libs to call for his resignation nothing will.
Posted by: ksgrm | December 09, 2007 at 04:17 PM
You’re kidding right ksgrm?
To Libs, it’s just sex and coercion.
Nothing wrong going on in their play books. They can justify and rationalize it until the cows come home.
Great Monkey, you are Liberal because you are Anti-Conservative.
Great post.
More football to catch up on. That’s a game where hard work leads to great rewards. No slackers allowed on the football field.
Whatever he may or may not have done, it should be remembered Morrison was a Republican.
He only switched parties to run against the religious zealot Phil Kline.
That just means he has SOME conscience.
Since sex scandals can only involve Republicans, and since Morrison switched parties to run as a Democrat does this enhance or doom his political future???
“ksgrm” –
It wasn’t all that long ago that Morrison was vilified by the Republic Party for his leaving the Republic Party for the Democrats.
Perhaps we’re guilty of having *too* big a tent.
What happened in the last election was a clear and obvious rejection of Phill Kline. Probably not a lot more.
It should be important at some level of consideration that Morrison admits to being a cad. If, in fact, he manipulated his admitted sexual encounter into some sort of policy operation then, hell yes, he’s a scumbag and I, as a Kansas Democrat, don’t want him to carry my political banner.
Unless, of course, there’s someone who’s even worse on issues that (ya know) really *matter* about public policy.
I wish Bill Clinton would have kept his zipper zipped. It turned out to be a total distraction to the *real* issues at hand.
But where has George WMD Bush’s non-blowjob Oval Office gotten us?
A trillion dollars more in debt, a Constitution that no longer matters, utter contempt from every nation around the world?
Sorry. I’ll take the blowjob.
It’s absolutely incredible to see Republic Party advocates jump on Morrison’s idiocy simply because he now… after decades of being a faithful Republic Party partisan… happens to have been elected as a Democrat.
If George WMD Bush and the Republic Party-dominated Congress had achieved what they promised (i.e., no abortions, no nation-building, a balanced budget, term limits, the whole 1994 “Contract with America”…) maybe the people of the United States might have taken you seriously.
But it’s becoming obvious that the Republic Party exists today just to feed taxpayer money into the coffers of GOP-friendly corporations and coupon-clipping trust babies.
I have no idea, “ksgrm,” what your economic status might be. I don’t know your background that led you to whatever you consider as moral.
I’ve seen all too many posts from you, “ksgrm,” that indicate you have a politcal agenda which transcends what might (in your deepest, secret, thinking) be what you really believe.
On the other hand, if Morrison really used his political power to get laid, or tried to manipulate his sexual prowess to promore his political power… fuc# him.
As many isssues I might agree with him (even back when he was a Republic Party office-holder), they’re probably not important enough for me, a Liberal Democrat, to support what seems to be Morrison’s behavior unless the Republic Party comes up with a candidate even more depraved.
Which they will. Betcha.
Sounds to me like the woman had just as much responsibilit for the affair as Morrison, Wonder how her and Kline got along, sounds like a woman that knows how to get ahead.
Liberal and conservative are probably not good comparisons Max.
I’M conservative in that I don’t think the government ought to force women to carry a pregnancy to term for instance.
YOU are liberal with the use of our military in foreign policy.
A better comparison is Republican vs. Democrat.
I vote Democratic because Democrats lean to the side of the worker in employment situations. The reality is most folks are force by necessity to work for someone else. The minute that happens, they begin to lose their freedoms. Democrats fight for those freedoms.
There are other reasons I vote Democratic. I think we are a society and not a collection of individuals. I think we should protect the environment. And so on.
My question is this: Why would anyone who is not very rich vote Republican?
Did anybody notice what the weather forecast for tomorrow will be?They are saying a possibility of 3/4 inch of “ICE”, that is going to make it rotten for those that are working 2nd and 3rd shift.How is my company going to handle this?They are going to pressure you and say that you have to come in to work regardless of the weather condition and if you do not show up, you will be disciplined and possibly be terminated.Business tactics such as this is one of the reasons why companies are not able to keep employees.This is but of one example of why the apathy of our government leadership when it comes to illegal immigrations.
Companies are so hell bent to keep their enterprise going because of One World competition that they will risk the lives of their employees and it is even worst that you have employees that are so gun-ho, arrogantly and ignorantly they will risk their own lives to keep their job and please their bosses but at the same time they help the company in risking other employees lives by siding up with the employers in peer pressure.Well so much for a civilized social structure, where is the justice?Laws and court systems have been reconfigured to give the majority of support to the corporate structure and individual rights have been stripped away.
You just as well do away with any ideal of having freedom of choices and admit to yourself that we are a civilization of slavery and that this corporate civilization that if they do not get their way with those that resist, that you will be replace by means of illegal immigrations.
I STILL maintain that the BEST way to support our troops, is to bring them home, NOW!
I agree Chas. As do most of Americans.
JR
“My question is this: Why would anyone who is not very rich vote Republican?”
I realize this may be hard for you to understand.
They believe in THE founding principle of this nation. The one that offers everyone who tries their hardest a chance at the best possible life.
LIBERTY
I’d explain but you wouldnt understand.
JR
But since LIBERTY comes with responsibility some folks are not particularly fond of it.
wiseman: your 5.05PM post is the most concise and accurate description of the situation I’ve ever read. May I add that mankind overcame feudal(land based) sefdom, then priviledge (royalty/class) disadvantage only to become captive again by what is called the free market. Like hell it is!
disadvantage only to become captive again by what is called the free market. Like hell it is!
Posted by: sursum | December 09, 2007 at 06:16 PM
The creator of the “Pet Rock” would disagree with you.
Chas even your front runner for prez says that won’t happen. Why do you think this is? Should we withhold funding until after the election and let the winner decide what to do with our emaciated men and women hanging out in Iraq waiting for congress to act.
Sometimes what we think is the best thing just isn’t possible and to continue to beat that drum you are showing just how disconnected you are from reality.
kansas: Fads come and go but I feel the posts describe the situation to-day.
so I guess neither Wiseman or sursum will be on the phone to Westar demanding their power be restored if it happens to go off during a storm, or that crews from the city and county be out clearing the roads? After all, we shouldn’t make employees be out in such conditions…and heaven forbid they need an ambulance or the fire department or the police…
“Hawaii is not a state, why should we care? The Japs killed military mostly, they knew the risks when they joined. We’ll negotiate with the Japanese.”
That’s what would have happened if the Lib mindset would have been in play in 1941.
Posted by: Kansas
*****
Speaking of revising history, the only way that makes sense is if one thinks that FDR, the father of Social Security and the New Deal, is not a liberal.
How dumb is that?
And Dec. 7th, 1941 is the date that will live in infamy. However, it was Dec. 8th in Japan. Little remembered is that at the same time Pearl Harbor was bombed, the battleship HMS Prince of Wales and the older battleship The Repulse were sunk off the East Coast of Malaysia near Kuantan, and the Japanese began their assult on the British colonies of Malaya and Singapore.
Well, looks like the weather is here to stay for a while… You all be safe out there!!
Good night; Good luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
MERRY XRMAS!!
Did anybody notice what the weather forecast for tomorrow will be?They are saying a possibility of 3/4 inch of “ICE”,Posted by: Wiseman | December 09, 2007 at 05:05 PM
wiseman: your 5.05PM post is the most concise and accurate description of the situation I’ve ever read.Posted by: sursum | December 09, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Guys, get a grip. it hasn’t happened yet, it’s only a possibility. If it starts icing up tomorrow, the city crews will be out spreading salt and sand.
Industry doesn’t come to a halt due to a little bad weather. You live in Kansas. If you’ve been here for very long, you know the weather can get crappy from time to time. I don’t think I’ve ever worked for a company that wasn’t understanding if the weather got so bad that it was a risk to life and limb to get to work. And if you do work for a company that expects you to risk your life to get to work, you need to find another employer.
“XXX” observes –
“…if you do work for a company that expects you to risk your life to get to work, you need to find another employer.”
And that’s kind of the point, “XXX.”
There are plenty of good employers who understand one or two days’ work lost due to weather probably won’t detract from the bottom line.
But the bigger a company gets, the old meet-the-boss-at-the-door and “My door is always open” philosophies don’t apply.
A huge number of business models *depend* on getting rid of dedicated employees.
Here’s a graphic example. McDonald’s *expects* every new hire will work for the burger joint for an average 90 days or less. Granted, the *average* is skewed by kids who sign on then quit because they’ve been scheduled to work on Prom Night or whatever. But other companies look at McDonald’s model and act accordingly.
The Santa Fe Railroad lost a lawsuit ten years ago or so when it was revealed they were systematically firing employees who’d worked for 29 years and 11 months… simply because employees would earn full pensions after 30 years’ service.
Show up late on a day with ice on the highways… or don’t show up… and you’re canned. For reasons that are *technically* legitimate.
A little research will reveal thousands of case histories of Baby Boomer employees who have been productive workers and, as part of the bargain they’ve made with their employer, have expected pay increases, benefits, promotions, etc. only to find that the company thinks they can hire a 20-something just out of school for a couple of grand less than it’d have to pay a veteran.
It’s all glossed over with sweet-sounding terms such as “early retirement” or “pension buy-out.” But it’s actually a scheme of corporations to screw the worker and boost the bottom line.
There once was a time when a blue-collar worker could assemble Chevrolets for 30 years, send his kids to college, own a home, and retire with a fair-to-middlin’ pension.
That model of success, which built the 1950s and 1960s American success no longer applies. Instead, the rules of the game have been changed to benefit the ultra-rich and screw the people who actually create wealth.
Screw the little people long enough and you’ll end up like Russia in 1917. The response will be far less than perfect, I promise you.
But there might be options. In 1932, with 25% unemployment, the United States of America could have chosen Lenin’s or Musolinni’s or Hitler’s model of economic reform. Instead, Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected and created an Amercia that thrived. All along the way, CONservatives objected.
CONservatives have always been wrong. They continue to be wrong. They will always be wrong.
I worked for a big aircraft company, regardless, they would never announce a weather closing, but if it were bad enough, and enough people didn’t show up, they might declare it as excused. But you never knew beforehand.
My experience in aircraft (14 years) was the same. They never wanted to close and they never wanted to let us leave early due to weather.
I do not miss that job today. The pay was nice. Being treated like crap? Not so much.
MonkeyHawk posts another misinformed posts and once again blames “Conservatives” of every decade and every walk of life as the cause of every problem.
If MonkeyHawk can’t have a drug induced, overweight, cop-hating, welfare-drawing, womanizing, socialistic, bi-sexual, eco-terroristic, religion-hating candidate running for office, he ain’t happy.
“In 1932, with 25% unemployment, the United States of America could have chosen Lenin’s or Musolinni’s or Hitler’s model of economic reform”-Monkey
So Herber Hoover’s hands off approach is akin to Lenin, Hitler and Mussolini? In your contorted political view perhaps.
It would have been better if Americans would have permitted Herber Hoover’s policy to heal the depression. Instead, we have a government dependent populace today that pander’s for a bailout from Uncle Sam instead of personal responsibility. Everboy loses with when no one is able to take care of themself.
It is only getting worse and we have the continued downtrend of our Nation’s economic health to look forward to from this cancerous mentality (started by FDR).
Take the recent subprime bailout proposed by “CON” president Bush. It pales only in comparison to Hillary’s ridiculous plan for ensuring that there is not such thing as a bad financial decisions if the government has anything to do about it.
“the Bush plan–and the even more ambitious plans offered by Democrats–big-government “Hillarycare for housing” and “a perversion of the American dream.”
“And there is, of course, the politics of it all. (FYI: Three of the four states with the most total foreclosures are the 2008 swing states of Michigan, Florida, and Ohio.)”
http://biz.yahoo.com/usnews/071207/07_bush_mortgage_fix_is_really_an_insurance_policy.html?.v=1.pf=loans
I would suggest “rfl” and “Kansas” (and everyone else for that matter) go to a library and read William Manchester’s “The Glory and the Dream.” Published in 1974, it’s “A Narrative History of America, 1932-1972.”
At least read Chapter 2, which vividly shows just how close to the brink of revolution the United States was in 1932.
Sorry MonkeyHawk,
I don’t read re-invented, revised and fictional history books.
William Manchester is a mainstream historian who if he’s criticized, it’s for being too uncontroversial.
He was the author of “The Death of the President” that supported the Warren Commission’s conclusions about the lone gunman who shot JFK.
Got a busy day planned for doing nothing as always, Kansas?
IIRC, the Communist Party USA came very close to running a viable candidate in 1932, which would have been a drastic revolution in the USA… There was a fairly historically accurate movie about that time frame, called REDS, starring Warren Beatty not too many years ago… It is worth watching… Shows a very volatile time period in this country…
William Manchester is not a historian, but educated as a Journalist.
It’s why his books are not included as historical works.
WTF?
A biography of Manchester:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmanchesterW.htm
Kansas — Maybe you better read this before you pontificate much more on Manchester… looks like his career is as an historian >>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Manchester
In the case of this ice storm or major blizzards wouldn’t it be in the best interest of even a large company to give everyone a weather day off with either half pay or no pay — the cost of hiring and retraining an employee, or paying for illnesses (via sick days / workmans comp) if an (or several) employees are hurt or injured will off set any productivity gains if the person had made it to work? I would think that the risk of accident on the job or on company property increases too?
Fortunately the emergency services folks — police, firemen, hospitals etc have contingency plans to cover these things
Manchester wrote literary history.
He wasn’t much on historical facts as scholarly historians have found huge errors in his works.
He was a very good writer, but had too many glaring deficits on recording accurate history.
I just knew that comment was coming… The expert just HAS to be right, or the world might end!
Typekey not workign today, Kansas??
I just knew that comment was coming… The expert just HAS to be right, or the world might end!
Posted by: Chas. | December 10, 2007 at 11:24 AM
No Chas.
That’s how Manchester describes himself as a Literary Historian.
He has admitted it many times.
Manchester was never much for accurate, scholarly works. He was more into book sales.
So much hostility, and before Noon even… tsk tsk
For an author that publishes bad history, I found this comment about Manchester interesting:
“His slow death, after two strokes, brought a poignant end to one of the most productive and scrupulous writers of best-selling tomes about outsized modern historical figures and contemporary culture.”
Not the descriptive word: scrupulous…
* quotation from above linked biography posted by Steven Davis *
* Not = Note *
I’m sure the life and times of Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone were written by authors with scruples Chas.
However, many of the types of “legends” have been proved incorrect.
I guess typekey isnt working for a number of folks today… Hmmmm
So post your real name right now Capn or forever be known as the blog coward.Posted by: Kansas | December 10, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Right. Because you say so.
:::huge effin’ eyeroll:::
Because it’s the truth blank poster.
Capn is a coward and a hypocrite.
He is without dispute the worst troll, nic stealer, harasser that the Blog has.
He needs to be banned permanently.
He contributes nothing but grief to this blog.
And so it goes on ad infinitum..
“For the record, I never posted any personal information about Kansas nor did I post any information that could knowingly be connected to Kansas’s personal information.”
Well Cap this isn’t true now is it? You just posted a name up thread. Maybe Kansas has a point. He deserves to be left alone by you, Chas and others who post just as he does.
Why not just stop and allow the blog to be about swapping ideas?
I appeal to the editors to permanently ban the poster calling himself “kansas”
I’m so glad we have the school marm ksgrm here to tell us all how to behave.
Trollboy,
Your rant is completely meaningless. You’re the one who has threatened to stalk posters, to use GPS to find their homes, to break into offices, to punch people in the nose, etc. You steal other people’s nics, you lie about your sock-puppet army, and you lie about your own life and past.
Your attack on Capn is the absolute worst kind of hypocrisy. All the things you accuse him of are the things you are, most undoubtedly, most guilty of.
You know my name, you’ve undoubtedly looked up my home address, my office address (and no, don’t even start about how I posted it; all I ever posted was the general intersection), and I’m sure you have my phone number. If you want to call _me_ a coward, drop by. Or give me a call. If not, well, that proves my point about your hypocrisy.
I work as an architect designing big projects like hospitals.
Actually, I’m Right Angle’s son.
I’m so glad we have the school marm ksgrm here to tell us all how to behave.
Posted by: Original Steve | December 10, 2007 at 03:07 PM
Obviously you posted without reading my post. I would just like to be able to trade ideas and opinions with like and unlike thinkers. If you think that is controlling – then I guess I am.
How does a post control anybody?
Capn,
Maybe he’ll come back online and call me a “bitter old political hack” again. Problem is, I’m not bitter at all. :)
How does a post control anybody?
Posted by: Just Wondering | December 10, 2007 at 03:32 PM
Not sure either – can you tell me?
Words here must be mighty powerful!
Capn, slap yourself silly, now!
Tom, you too!
Repeat.
Wash.
Rinse.
Dry off.
Now, don’t you both feel better?