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What is this WE EDITORS?
Day 4 that you still pretend like nothing went on at the Republican Presidential debate?
Allow me to bring you up to date:
CNN: Corrupt News NetworkA self-serving agenda was set for the Republican presidential debates.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-rutten1dec01,0,4122002.column?coll=la-home-center
Seriously?
Instead of a legitimate thread on the debate we get a jab at Huckabee for believing in the Bible.
Speaking of which, when are you going to create a Religious Left link and start posting threads on them?
“THE United States is at war in the Middle East and Central Asia, the economy is writhing like a snake with a broken back, oil prices are relentlessly climbing toward $100 a barrel and an increasing number of Americans just can’t afford to be sick with anything that won’t be treated with aspirin and bed rest“.
Those are all true, but if the submitters are primarily Republicans are these the issue they have questions about? Or is there any real question as to what the candidates would answer to such questions? By now it is common knowledge that all but one is following the party line on the middle east. All but one is following the party line on the economy.
And they may all agree on what should be done about the oil addiction this country has.
Medical care is all but one has the same opinion about that too.
“So, when CNN brought the Republican presidential candidates together this week for what is loosely termed a “debate,” what did the country get but a discussion of immigration, Biblical inerrancy and the propriety of flying the Confederate flag?”.
And Nathan what happens here almost everyday? Though immigration is a big issue within the Republican party. The base question is whether they follow the President’s and Mc Cain’s stance about it. Or will actually follow what the majority of Republicans think about it? OMG even topics that have nothing to do with religion can end up turning into a rail against or for Christianity! Since the “Value voters” are still wanting to control the party of course it is of interest to them. As to the Confederate flag, other then the flap that came about when Cheney went to a place that had one hanging in the garage. I have been meaning to ask everyone’s opinion on where I should hang my “stars and bars”. But with everyone having their own pet peeves, they generally do end up being about everything but what is important.
I see the Murtha thread got shut down last night.Nice going, guys.
Humbled by his first electoral defeat ever, President Hugo Chavez said Monday he may have been too ambitious in asking voters to let him stand indefinitely for re-election and endorse a huge leap to a socialist state.http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3944652
Did you read the link you posted, “Nathan?”
The LA Times was bemoaning CNN’s decision to highlight marginal issues such as immigration, gun control, and Biblical inerrancy in the Republic Party debate. Anyone who’s kept track of this forum knows that the most vocal cons consider those issues as essential to their support for a potential GOP nominee.
According to your link, the biggest issue Americans are concerned about is Iraq. There’s not a dime’s bit of difference on Iraq among the current Republic Party candidates, except for Representative Paul; they’re all trying to out-Shrub Shrub.
The #2 most important issue (according to Pew) is the economy. Again, all the Republic Party candidates are slaves to tax-reduction and pushing George WMD Bush’s deficit spending off to our children and grandchildren.
As “Max” and you, “Nathan,” have indicated, your gun fetish is a *critical* issue that drives you toward the Republic Party. But the LA Times decries the issue’s inclusion in the Republic Party debate.
Your compaint, “Nathan,” against CNN is that it presented the GOP/YouTube debate exactly on the issues voters such as you think are important.
Further, your whining to the WEBlog editors for not having a separate thread regarding the most recent Republic Party debate ignores the fact that at least half a dozen threads in this forum have discussed the CNN debate.
Maybe you’re just pissed CNN didn’t mention the all important pit-bull question.
The teacher in Sudan has been pardoned; she’d better be guarded until she can get out of dodge.
Mary, same back to ya.
I’m not f**cking superior.I know plenty about mental illness.I HAVE walked in those shoes.I HAVE been in inpatient mental hospitals.I HAVE lived on the streets!
What about you lady?You been crazy and drug addicted lately?
My post was about people who abuse the system, and as you said, perpetuate the bigotry because they are stereotypical.I said I personally know these people, and when I used I helped them abuse the system.
Sorry if you got offended.I guess,
hell you didn’t bother to even discuss this or find out what I know or have experienced.
So before you go sounding off like that check it out woodja?And don’t bother with the grandmotherly scolding.It’s a waste of time.
Nothing illustrates the continuing hypocrisies of the left like a good CNN debate.
Republican debate. Republican presidential primary candidates. Should be run to allow republican voters a chance to evaluate the candidate’s response to questions from republicans.
What we got was a circus of liberal bias and ‘gotcha’ questions.
How many republicans give a damn about “Don’t ask don’t tell”? It was Clinton’s attempt to pander to the gays and is not a republican issue at all.
So, if you libs aren’t the shallow, hypocritical, kool-aid drinkers that we all know you are when can we see you insisting that your democrat candidates face Fox News?
Let the spin begin!
Fox news is not a credible forum.
I would not vote for any Democrat that would debate on FOX news.
Interesting site for those who want to see current terrorist activity worldwide:
http://www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php
Don’t bother forwarding to the liberals. The Global War on Terror doesn’t exist.They believe in the tooth fairy too.
But there is a link on the above site to the Illegal Alien Activity Tracking System (IAATS).
This link should prove interesting to +70% of Americans:
http://illegal.globalincidentmap.com/home.php
We’re fighting the terrorist in Iraq, so we don’t need to concern ourselves with the rest of the globe. If we build it in Iraq, they will come!
So JR would you not vote for Bill Clinton? He was on Fox and unshakable! He gave as good as he got , I hate the softballs most interviewers throw to a candidate. Granted most of the questions were more personal peeves on the CNN debate. But I would like to see the Democrats on Fox and see the Republicans face someone like Keith Olbermann. They get by with too much fluff and no real meat, the candidates are allowed to give their meaningless speeches and get by with never answering the question.
Oh Boy, do we like to fight…
We’re fighting the terrorist in Iraq, so we don’t need to concern ourselves with the rest of the globe.Posted by: The Phantom
That’s right Phantom. Just ignore it and pretend it isn’t happening. That approach always solves problems.
Uh, Nathan thier is a Religious Left link.
Speaking of which, when are you going to create a Religious Left link and start posting threads on them?
Hey Nathan! The below could be the thread lead on the libs religious link:
Twas the month before ChristmasWhen all through our land,Not a Christian was prayingNor taking a stand.The “politically correct police” had taken away,The reason for Christmas – no one could say.The children were told by their schools not to sing,About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.
It might hurt people’s feelings, the teachers would sayDecember 25th is just a “Holiday”.
Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and creditPushing folks down to the floor just to get it!CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-podSomething was changing, something quite odd!
Retailers promoted Ramadan and KwanzaaIn hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.As Targets were hanging their trees upside down
At Lowe’s the word Christmas – was no where to be found.At K-Mart and Staples and Penny’s and SearsYou won’t hear the word Christmas; it won’t touch your ears.
Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-tyAre words that were used to intimidate me.Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf BlitzenOn Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton!At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatterTo eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faithForbidden to speak of salvation and grace
The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discardedThe reason for the season, stopped before it started.So as you celebrate “Winter Break” under your “Dream Tree”Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.Choose your words carefully, choose what you sayShout MERRY CHRISTMAS, not Happy Holiday!
Author Unknown
If you get the Cons on Olberman I could consider the Dems on FOX.
I’m sorry wdog. FOX news is just not a credible forum. The whoosh whoosh noises, blaring music and CLEAR bias?
Don’t you feel just a little offended by it? FOX news treats its viewers like very small children with short attention spans.
Too? Bill Clinton does not qualify, at least to me, as a Democrat. Bill Clinton is the best Republican President since T Roosevelt maybe but not a Democrat.
Well JR I can not disagree with you on that one LOL.
So Tracy..do you have personal knowlege of these people you see abusing the system? Calling those with mental illness “nut jobs” is pretty demeaning. The brain can get sick just like any other organ, but because the symptoms are behavioral, people often judge those with severe and persistant mental illness the way you do.Of course there are those who abuse the system, but you shuldn’t judge eveyone based on the actions of a few. More people WITOUT mental illness abuse the system than those WITH mental illness. Often those with severe mental illness don’t even know how to access the system in order to “abuse” it.I’ve worked in the mental health field more than 20 years now, and I get angry at those who judge the mentally ill simply because they don’t understand it. I know I should curb my temper and focus on educating when I run into attitudes like your’s, but I have listened to it for so long and I’m sick of it.So what if you see someone who has a mental disability by a bottle at the liquor store? Yes, it’s not a good idea for them to use alcohol and they shouldn’t do it, but if that person was confined to a wheelchair, would you judge them so harshly?People who suffer from chronic mental illness often are isolated by society, they get lonely and fall into the same bad coping behaviors as everyone else.
I could wirte a book about how badly my patients are often treated by those who judge them for a disability they have little control over.
I’m sorry if you have struggled with mental illness yourself…I would have thought that would make you a little more empathetic with others than you appear to be.
We all have struggles in our lives, but those with severe and persistant mental illness need our support, not our condemnation.
Like I said before, the next time you see someone like you describe, just think to yourself, “There but for the grace of God go I”.
Sorry about the typos..haven’t had enough caffiene yet!
…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
4th Amendement in the Bill of Rights
One wonders what part of that the religious fundos don’t understand.
Well, now we have it.
Bill Clinton is not a democrat in J R’s little twisted world!
Well, in my world, Bush doesn’t qualify as a republican. Right back on ya!
Uh, CapnAmerica, the language you post from the Constitution isn’t in the Fourth Amendment, but is found in the body of the Constitution itself, in Article VI thereof. Just wanted to clarify the record.
Hank,
Out of curiosity, what political party would you put Bush in?
Thanks, Vaughn, my bad.
*****
Just waded through the wreakage of the Murtha thread.
New rule: no more debating Kerry’s war record.
We all know that no liberal has ever had an honorable service record (heavy sarcasm).
No need to bring it up anymore.
Also, Vaughn, I never can figure out roman numerals. That’s Article 6, I think . . .
Liberal fools pretend not to know the difference between religious expression and government endorsement of a particular religion. In reality, they want a totally secular country.
The ACLU argues that the rights of atheists not to be “offended” outweighs a citizen’s right of religious freedom and expression. God has a place in the public square. Religious expression is a guaranteed right!
Push back, patriots, against this insidious deception by the left, so that God will continue to bless the United States of America.
Alex–
Except for nothing, Bush is an idiot.
American Way- I love the poem, I thank the unknown author!
Patriot–
We don’t want a totally secular “country.” We want a totally secular GOVERNMENT, just like the founders intended.
That’s why there isn’t one mention of “God” in the entire text of the Constitution.
We all know that no liberal has ever had an honorable service record (heavy sarcasm).Posted by: CapnAmerica
That’s probably true. JFK was really a republican.
Good morning Rox!
In all seriousness, I consider him a Republican, moderate on some issues, liberal on too many issues but conservative when it comes to national defense.
Do you consider Slick Willie to be a democrat? Or are you in denial like our little friend J R?
“Push back, patriots, against this insidious deception by the left, so that God will continue to bless the United States of America.”
is your God so weak that he requires your help to exist against liberal thought?
According to a Des Moines register poll of likely Iowa caucus-goers, Mike Huckaby is ahead of all the other Republican candidates, and Obama leads the Dems.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=iowapoll07
Couple of thoughts…..one, GOD would be labeled a liberal in a second. Afterall, he preached not turning your backs on those in need etc.. Second, where are the righties on the state of the economy? I do remember saying a few months ago how the economy is in dire trouble. The dollar is riding a roller coaster and the housing slump is starting to trickle over into the rest of the economy. Tax cuts and war in the past have been very good for the economy, but not in today’s Global Economy. Gas will top 4$ a gallon in the next 6 mos and the bill for Iraq will soon come due. Any thoughts on this republicans?
This is going around on emails today so some of you have probably seen it.
A Different Christmas Poem
The embers glowed softly, and in their dim light,
I gazed round the room and I cherished the sight.My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,My daughter beside me, angelic in rest.
Outside the snow fell, a blanket of white,Transforming the yard to a winter delight.The sparkling lights in the tree I believe,
Completed the magic that was Christmas Eve.
My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep,Secure and surrounded by love I would sleep.
In perfect contentment, or so it would seem,So I slumbered, perhaps I started to dream.
The sound wasn’t loud, and it wasn’t too near,
But I opened my eyes when it tickled my earPerhaps just a cough, I didn’t quite know,Then the sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow.
My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear,And I crept to the door just to see who was near.Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night,
A lone figure stood, his face weary and tight.
A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old,Perhaps a Marine, huddled here in the cold.
Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled,Standing watch over me, and my wife and my child.
“What are you doing?” I asked without fear,
“Come in this moment, it’s freezing out here!Put down your pack, brush the snow from your sleeve,You should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!”
For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,Away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts..To the window that danced with a warm fire’s light
Then he sighed and he said “Its really all right,
I’m out here by choice. I’m here every night.So that your family can sleep without fright.
It’s my duty to stand at the front of the line,That separates you from the darkest of times.
No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
I’m proud to stand here like my fathers before me.My Gramps died at ‘Pearl on a day in December,”Then he sighed, “That’s a Christmas ‘Gram always remembers”
My dad stood his watch in the jungles of ‘Nam’,And now it is my turn and so, here I am.I’ve not seen my own son in more than a while,
But my wife sends me pictures, he’s sure got her smile.
Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag,The red, white, and blue… an American flag.
I can live through the cold and the being alone,Away from my family, my house and my home.
I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet,
I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat.I can carry the weight of killing another,Or lay down my life with my sister and brother..
Who stand at the front against any and all,To ensure for all time that this flag will not fall.”"So go back inside,” he said, “harbor no fright,
Your family is waiting and I’ll be all right.”
“But isn’t there something I can do, at the least,”Give you money,” I asked, “or prepare you a feast?
It seems all too little for all that you’ve done,For being away from your wife and your son.”Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret,
“Just tell us you love us, and never forget.To fight for our rights back at home while we’re gone,To stand your own watch, no matter how long.
For when we come home, either standing or dead,To know you remember we fought and we bled.Is payment enough, and with that we will trust,
That we mattered to you as you mattered to us.”
Open Thread comment.
On the radio this morning they quoted someone from the street buying gas. “They need to do something about the price of gas. It cost me sixty dollars to fill my SUV and I can barely afford it.”
Something struck me about this comment. First, I drive a Hybrid that cost me $21,000 (as some may remember). It has a smaller tank, but still cost me a little under 30 bucks to fill up.
But I am getting 43 MPG compared to the average SUV 18 MPG. Most SUV’s cost significantly more than my hybrid.
So if the guy is concerned about cost – why not buy a cheaper priced car with higher MPG?
I’m not a green person, but I have cut my family fuel bill in more than half. If we all used less fuel, the demand wouldn’t be as high, and the price would come down, right?
In other words, I think the radio station needs to ask someone driving a hybrid to comment on the high price of gas.
The SUV guy is getting what he paid for!
AmWay–
You’re forgetting Carter (grad of US Naval Academy, Lt. serving with Rickover’s nuclear submarine program)
George McGovern, who according to Wiki “volunteered for the United States Army Air Forces during World War II and served as a B-24 Liberator bomber pilot in the Fifteenth Air Force, flying 35 missions over enemy territory from bases in North Africa and later Italy, often against heavy anti-aircraft artillery. McGovern was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross.”
Wesley Clark, you know, the GENERAL?
Al Gore, volunteered for Vietnam even though he opposed the war and his Sen. father could have pulled strings like W’s father did.
Thomas Daschle, three years as intel officer at Air Force Strategic Air Command
Harry S Truman, Missouri Nat’l Guard, field artillery commander in WWI, rising to rank of Captain
Any thoughts on this republicans?
Posted by: Mike
“the dollar is riding a roller coaster”
It’s on a down hill ride, not a roller coaster. The later go back up. Long term – America’s dollar is not going to have the prominence it enjoyed in the word in the past. Not a great time if you want to travel overseas, but it should help our balance of trade as American goods get cheaper. I heard NY is flooded with foreign tourists this holiday. Buying on the cheap!
“war costs”
American was six trillion in debt when Clinton left office. We are now at nine trillion having added one trillion for two wars: Afghanistan and Iraq. The solution is a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. Neither political party can resolve what both have contributed to.
“Gas prices.”
Do whatever you can not to use as much. That takes from your expendable income or money available for investing.
“righties on the state of the economy?”
Buy low. Sell high. I’m buying.
Well. So a new intelligence assessment finds that Iran stopped working toward nuclear weapons on 2003: fancy that.
“WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 — A new assessment by American intelligence agencies concludes that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the program remains on hold, contradicting an assessment two years ago that Tehran was working inexorably toward building a bomb.”
http://www.nytimes.com
Of course, given that Uncle Dick has a woody for war with Iran regardless of whether there’s any threat, I expect the White House and their neocon allies to go on lying about the “threat” Iran poses.
I expect our resident Bush worshippers to go on parroting the lies of this “Administration.” Still, it would be nice to be proven wrong.
You’re forgetting Carter…etc…
Not at all Capn. Just playing with the sarcasm in the series of posts. Bill Clinton being a republican and all, and your own rye humor, there are no democrat hero’s…. ;-)
How’s this for separation of church and state?
http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7443210&nav=1LFX
Appeals court finds prison ministries program unconstitutional
Associated Press – December 3, 2007 1:34 PM ET
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) – A federal appeals court has found that an evangelical Christian prison ministry program in Iowa violates the U.S. Constitution’s separation of church and state clause.
The 8th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals said in a ruling released Monday that a federal judge in Des Moines correctly ruled that the Prison Fellowship Ministries Inc. program at the Newton Correctional Facility is unconstitutional and should be ended.
The 24-hour a day, 7-day a week program immerses inmates in evangelical Christianity. Inmates who complete the 18-month program also get help after they’re released.
Americans United For Separation of Church and State brought the lawsuit. The ministries group sponsors similar programs in Texas, Minnesota, Kansas and Arkansas.
In other words, I think the radio station needs to ask someone driving a hybrid to comment on the high price of gas.
The SUV guy is getting what he paid for!
Posted by: American Way | December 03, 2007 at 12:28 PM
I dunno, maybe the guy is six foot seven inches tall, has seven kids and hauls groceries and firewood to poor people?
:D
“I dunno, maybe the guy is six foot seven inches tall, has seven kids and hauls groceries and firewood to poor people?
:D
Posted by: Kansas | December 03, 2007 at 12:56 PM”
Very good point. There is always more to the story.
This makes me think of something about walking a mile in borrowed shoes
D
Posted by: Kansas
Well he could buy a HYBRID SUV to cart around the dwarfs AND snow white!
AmWay–
“Wry” humor not “rye” humor.
Sheesh, please tell me you were home-schooled.
CF–
Dittos. Looks like “Iranians are building NUKES!” is another Bush (as Bush says) ex-ajer-AAA-shun.
Rye bread goes well with a reuben sandwich.
Wonder if ksgrm got her reuben? :)
CapnAmerica: Iran stopped move to-wards nuclear weapons in 2003 so says the NY Times and the Washington Post to-day. Hmmmm
Hey Capn at least they rhyme!
I was probably thinking about all that free cheese distributed under the WIC program and how it would go good with a piece of bread, if only they can steal some more of MY MONEY!!!!!
What are you perpetually 3 years old Amway?
Mine! Mine ! Mine!!!!!!@
I’ve never heard this story before:
What in the world do leaping lords, French hens, swimming swans, and especially the partridge who won’t come out of the pear tree have to do with Christmas?
From 1558 until 1829, Roman Catholics in England were not permitted to practice their faith openly. Someone during that era wrote this carol as a catechism song for young Catholics. It has two levels of meaning: The surface meaning plus a hidden meaning known only to members of their church. Each element in the carol has a code word for a religious reality which the children could remember.
The partridge in a pear tree was Jesus Christ.
Two turtle doves were the Old and New Testaments.
Three French hens stood for faith, hope and love.
The four calling birds were the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John.
The five golden rings recalled the Torah or Law, the first five books of the Old Testament.
The six geese a-laying stood for the six days of creation.
Seven swans a-swimming represented the sevenfold gifts of the Holy Spirit-Prophesy, Serving, Teaching, Exhortation, Contribution, Leadership, and Mercy.
The eight maids a-milking were the eight beatitudes.
Nine ladies dancing were the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit – Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, and Self Control.
The ten lords a-leaping were the ten commandments.
The eleven pipers piping stood for the eleven faithful disciples.
The twelve drummers drumming symbolized the twelve points of belief in the Apostles’ Creed.
Good lord, “Kansas!” –
Are you, in fact, wrong about *everything!?”
“Rye bread goes well with a reuben sandwich,” you wrote!
A Reuben Sandwich *is* corned beef, thousand island dressing, and cole slaw on grilled rye bread.
Anything else isn’t a *Reuben* sandwich. It’s a corned beef sandwich, maybe with cheese, maybe on some other kind of bread (albeit, on white would be a sin against corned beef). No mustard, no “hold the 1000 Island dressing.”
Mine! Mine ! Mine!!!!!!@
Posted by: reb
Reb, it’s crazy isn’t it? An American screaming for the government to stop reaching into his back pocket and stealing his hard earned money!
Why that’s Blasphemy to the liberal socialist Gawd, who has to steal more and more from Robin to pay Paul. It is almost a CRIME to tell Robin Hood to step back and let me keep my own money.
Isn’t it just terrible? I want to keep what is MINE??
And it is even more terrible that I DARE to speak out!!
No reb, ironically, I’m a rebel waiting for the others to realize they are not alone. That someone else, shares their feelings.
You libs have made it politically incorrect, and “socially” unacceptable for me to want to keep what is mine.
Oh quit yer whining. You probably have it better than most people. What makes you so special?
Why don’t you move to a deserted island. Just you and your money and whatever dregs of humanity you drift with?
You probably have it better than most people. What makes you so special?
Posted by: reb
Reb are you kidding? What is your standard to “special”? Is that a judgement call on who deserves to keep what is their own? What difference does that make?
What makes you think you DESERVE what is mine?
Dregs of humanity? Reb you know nothing about me. My church habits, my tithing, my giving, my volunteer servies, and my giving to my community.
Who died and made you judge?
Because I want to keep what is mine, you judge and pass sentence that I am a dreg of humanity?
You have zero right to other peoples property.
Listen to yourself. You are warped.
I’m afraid for when our entire nation looks at the world they way you do.
I’m afraid for when our entire nation looks at the world they way you do.
We do. That is why we are justified in invading another country to control its resources.
You belong in a playpen Americanway. You and your toys.
Age may bring you enlightenment. But I doubt it. And when you die with all your toys, you will still be dead. Your family will fight over what you could not take with you. And outside that your little stretch on this planet will have meant absolutely nothing.
“You libs have made it politically incorrect, and “socially” unacceptable for me to want to keep what is mine.”And yet your complaining on a blog daily,the libs haven’t done a very good job shutting you up.
You would think since the right wing has run the gov since the Reagan era you guys would have gotten rid of the income tax and all.If you don’t want it vote it out.—–
Good point, “annie moose” –
You’d think, after 30 years of power and no change, the rank (expecially, rank) and file of the Republic Party would realize thier politicians are conning them.
We’re beginning to see some erosion of the evangelical lockstep for Republic Party policies. Pat Robertson backs serial adulterer, pro-gay, pro-gun control, pro-cross-dressing Rudy Giuliani. Sam (the Sham) Brownback should’ve been an evangelical’s wet dream and got 2% support from the Repubs. So-called “principled” cons line up behind whatever Mitt Romney says he believes today. Mike Huckabee, who raised Arkansans’ taxes 47% after he replaced Bill Clinton as Governor, looks like he’ll win Iowa. Frederick of Hollywood is… resting.
Since I asked last weekend, only “Max” and “Hank” have stepped up to declare their support for any of the Republic Party’s candidates. The rest of the cons got nothing.
Oh, yeah. They hate Hillary and they’re against whatever makes them cranky (i.e., “socialism”), but they cannot bring themselves to be *for* anybody.
Today’s con WEBloggers are those classic people who aren’t happy unless they’re unhappy.
If more kids would just play on their lawns, we wouldn’t have to bother with them in this forum.
“if only they can steal some more of MY MONEY!!!!!
Posted by: American Way | December 03, 2007 at 02:49″
What I always find funny is that people like this poster ELECTED the ‘they’ that is stealing their money!
I think that it is sad that we are just now posting “christmas” themed sayings… why can’t we do this all the year long?
The numbers I found are: on 1-1-93 debt 4.1 tril.:1-3-2001 5.7 tril. Clinton added 1.6 tril. over 8 yrs.Bush-5.7 2001 12-02-07 9.1 tril. increase of 4.4 tril. and he still has 13 months to go!
And another proposed coal-fired plant is stopped.
‘Washington State Rejects Coal Plant Over Global Warming Concerns’http://www.desmogblog.com/washington-state-rejects-coal-plant-over-global-warming-concerns
What this came out over two hours ago and no mention of it?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/world/middleeast/03cnd-iran.html?ex=1354338000&en=acc00e94bbf2dd09&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
U.S. Says Iran Ended Atomic Arms Work
?Stephen Crowley/The New York Times
Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, discussed Iran’s nuclear program at the White House.
Top of Form 1???????
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Published: December 3, 2007
WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 — A new assessment by American intelligence agencies concludes that “http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iran/index.html?inline=nyt-geo“ halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the program remains frozen, contradicting judgment two years ago that Tehran was working relentlessly toward building a nuclear bomb.
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President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran delivering a speech in April at the nuclear plant in Natanz in observance of National Nuclear Day.
The conclusions of the new assessment are likely to reshape the final year of the Bush administration, which has made halting Iran’s nuclear program a cornerstone of its foreign policy.The assessment, a National Intelligence Estimate that represents the consensus view of all 16 American spy agencies, states that Tehran is likely keeping its options open with respect to building a weapon, but that intelligence agencies “do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.”Iran is continuing to produce enriched uranium, a program that the Tehran government has said is designed for civilian purposes. The new estimate says that enrichment program could still provide Iran with enough raw material to produce a nuclear weapon sometime by the middle of next decade, a timetable essentially unchanged from previous estimates.But the new estimate declares with “high confidence” that a military-run Iranian program intended to transform that raw material into a nuclear weapon has been shut down since 2003, and also says with high confidence that the halt “was directed primarily in response to increasing international scrutiny and pressure.”The estimate does not say when American intelligence agencies learned that the weapons program had been halted, but a statement issued by Donald Kerr, the principal director of national intelligence, said the document was being made public “since our understanding of Iran’s capabilities has changed.”Rather than painting Iran as a rogue, irrational nation determined to join the club of nations with the bomb, the estimate states Iran’s “decisions are guided by a cost-benefit approach rather than a rush to a weapon irrespective of the political, economic and military costs.” The administration called new attention to the threat posed by Iran earlier this year when President Bush had suggested in October that a nuclear-armed Iran could lead to “World War III” and Vice President dick_cheney promised “serious consequences” if the government in Tehran did not abandon its nuclear program.Yet at the same time officials were airing these dire warnings about the Iranian threat, analysts at the central_intelligence_agency were secretly concluding that Iran’s nuclear weapons work halted years ago and that international pressure on the Islamic regime in Tehran was working.
writerdog,
I posted about this upthread. And I must say, I’m not terribly surprised that the Wingnuts had nothing to say. Acting bored and indifferent is their go-to when their pet arguments have been discredited.
How ’bout it, Wingnuts? Iran is no nuclear threat, hasn’t been since 2003, and doesn’t look to be anytime soon. The NIE says so.
Still want to defend Cheney’s nutjob fixation on attacking ‘em?
Hello? Wingnuts? Hello?
The Florida Board of Medicine voted Friday to suspend the license of abortionist quack James S. Pendergraft for one year and fine him $10,000 for illegallyperforming a post-viable third-trimester abortion in 2005. Imagine what will happen to criminal abortionist quack George Tiller when he is convicted of dozens, if not hundreds, of post-viable abortion crimes.- – -
Breast cancer myths usually promoted:”(1) We don’t know what causes breast cancer, (2) most women who get breast cancer have no known risk factors for the disease and (3) there’s no cure for breastcancerThe real truth:1) We do know what causes most breast cancer. About half the breast cancer in the US is attributable to delaying first childbirth until after age 25 or 30, or forever. The younger a woman is when she has her firstchild, the lower her lifetime risk. For a pregnant teenager, the proverbial silver lining of her cloud is the fact that, if she continues the pregnancy andgives birth at term, she will reduce her lifetime breast cancer risk by at least two-thirds, compared to having her first child at age 30 or older. Breastfeeding her children lowers a woman’s risk still further.Abortion is the single most avoidable cause of breast cancer.2) Most women in the general population do have known risk factors for breast cancer, let alone those who actually get the disease. Just for starters, about 75% of American women have taken birth control pills, a risk factor which even the World Health Organization (finally!) acknowledges. Not to mention that a substantial proportion of American women have committed an abortion.3) Most cases of breast cancer-about 80%-are actually cured! In fact, at least half of all newly diagnosed cases of breast cancer are stage 0 or stage 1, whichare cured over 95% of the time, and without mastectomy!- – -
Cord blood registry enrolled 35% more newborns last year. Banked umbilical cord blood stem cells match more easily with family members than bone marrow, andgenetically-related cord blood stem cells lead to better transplant outcomes, including less transplant-related mortality and a lower incidence of medical complications like rejection, and is entirely ethical.Meanwhile, useless, unethical, unnecessary embryonic stem cell research still cures nothing, treats nothing.- – -
Planned Parenthood, another tool of the homosexual agenda, continues to promote the 1996 book “It’s Perfectly Normal: Changing Bodies, Growing Up, Sex,and Sexual Health”, targeting children ages 8-13 with graphic depictions and instructions encouraging sodomy, and, of course, endorsing abortion.Meanwhile, annual HIV infections in the USofA, primarily caused by homosexual acts of sodomy, appearto be rising from 40,000 to 55,000.- – -
The latest Harris poll, which surveyed 2,455 U.S. adults, found that 82% believed in God, 79% believed in miracles, 75% in heaven, 72% that Jesus is God or the Son of God, and 62% in hell and the devil. However, Darwin’s theory of evolution received only a 42% belief rating, that being something of a stretch.
Just driving by again parkay or would you care to engage?
You do your cause no good you know. To shoot and scoot.
This is not the first time I have challenged you.
Are you just a blipvert here or do you have real substance?
It appears parkay has for the fifth time bugged out.
As noted in Illegal Alien Crime Wave in Full Swing, in April 2005, the GAO released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
Of the 55,322 illegal aliens studied, researchers found that they were arrested a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien.
· They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien.
· 49% had previously been convicted of a felony, 20% of a drug offense; 18% a violent offense, and 11%, other felony offenses.
· 81% of the arrests occurred after 1990
· 56% of those charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
· Defendants charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
All of these crimes would have never happened, i.e. they were preventable, has we had a serious program of deportation of the illegal aliens already here and proper border security to prevent both entry and re-entry.
In reviewing those numbers, note that the study sampled only about 21% of the incarcerated illegal aliens. To get the full extent of the collateral damage, we need to apply the average number of offenses across all 267,000 currently incarcerated illegal alien criminals. Doing so results in 1,288,619 crimes!
Don’t let the mainstream media and illegal alien advocates tell you that illegal immigration is a “victimless crime” and that they are here only to do the work Americans don’t want to do. Since each crime has a victim, 1,288,619 sounds like a lot of victimization to us. Also keep in mind that the 1,288,619 crimes are only the ones committed by the hard core illegal alien criminals who were finally caught and incarcerated. The ones not caught and the new criminals crossing daily are committing more crime each and every day.
One of the problems in identifying the involvement of illegal aliens in crime is that NO ONE TRACKS IT as a particular demographic statistic. While the INS keeps track of all sorts of demographic data for the illegal aliens who were actually arrested and deported and puts it in the Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, the judicial system does not track it. As noted in Cop Murder Spotlights Crisis of Killer Aliens – No Government Agency Tracks Crimes by Illegals, Not Even Attacks on Police, nobody really knows how many illegal alien criminals there are or how many crimes they are actually committing. Many simply fall through the cracks.
If we assume illegal aliens commit crimes at the same rate as citizens in the general population, an assumption that may grossly underestimate their involvement, we can estimate the number of crimes being committed by illegal aliens. To do this, we note the number of illegal aliens in the population and apply the percentage representation in the population to the total number of crimes committed.
The current population of illegal aliens ranges from a generally accepted low of 12 million to a few estimates in the 25-30 million range. For the purposes of this discussion, we will use a relatively lower estimate of 15 million in a population of 300 million which is a 5% representation. It is worth noting that many official government figures are a bit lower number. If in fact accurate, a lower number of illegal aliens in the general population would actually increase their disproportionate involvement, something that is probably occurring anyway, as we shall see latter.
According to FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports (UCR), Crime in the United States (CIUS) 2005, we now take the Estimated Number of Arrests and apply a straight 5% illegal alien participation. These numbers are grossly understated as you will see later in this article, but we include them as an academic exercise to show what the bottom-most numbers could be:
This calculates:
CRIMES (actual arrests)Number In USAby illegal aliensTotal14,094,186704,709Murder & non-negligent manslaughter14,062703Forcible rape25,5281,276Offenses against family & children129,1286,456
The last column is the estimated criminal collateral damage inflicted by illegal aliens for 2005 as a straight proportional percentage basis of the population. Similar collateral damage would have been inflicted in 2006 and you can expect about as much in 2007.
Using a simple cost-benefit analysis, is this much crime acceptable to save ten cents on a head of lettuce?
You probably wouldn’t think so if you were one of the 704,709 victims, and as one of the murder victims, you wouldn’t be able to think at all. Again, keep in mind, this is the collateral damage being PER YEAR with a 5% participation rate. If the number of illegal aliens is greater than 15 million the number of crimes goes up. If the participation rate is greater, the number of crimes goes up.
In determining who is actually committing the crimes and whether the 5% straight participation is valid, as noted in The Tarpit blog, Hispanics/Latinos, by far the largest component of illegal aliens, become “White, Caucasian, or Other” perpetrators in Arizona. The same thing in Colorado, Florida, New Jersey, New Mexico, and probably other states as well. Even the FBI doesn’t seem to want to know, as neither the nationality of the perpetrator nor a Hispanic/Latino category is even present in either their Uniform Crime Reports or Victims and Offenders Supplement.
When we inquired of Justice Department why they didn’t want to know if Hispanics or foreign nationals were committing any crime, their response was:
“The Uniform Crime Reporting Program was mandated by Congress to collect and publish the crimes that are reported to police agencies for statistical purposes, not investigative purposes.
The elements of race and ethnicity built into the UCR Program adhere to the guidelines established by DIRECTIVE NO 15, RACE AND ETHNIC STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL STATISTICS AND ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTING. Those guidelines are set by the Office of Management and Budget, and as a federal agency in the capacity of overseer of the UCR Program, the FBI is required to abide by those guidelines. For UCR purposes there are four racial categories: White; Black; American Indian or Alaskan Native; and Asian or Pacific Islander. The term Hispanic is an indicator of ethnicity, and the UCR Program does not currently collect information on ethnicity.”
We also asked the Justice Department what categories the foreign national terrorists and the 2,752 Americans killed by foreign nationals on 9-11-2001 fell into but did not get a response.
While the Justice Department tracks nearly every conceivable aspect of crime, evidently, Congress wants to know only what crimes “White, Black, American Indian, and Asian” Americans are committing. It is interesting that ethnicity is totally unimportant for determining who is committing crimes, but is very important for establishing minority status and preferences. It does not strain credulity to imagine that crimes are being committed by illegal aliens, aka foreign nationals, but unfortunately for Americans, these statistics are not tracked.
While we are on the subject of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports (UCR), Jim Kouri notes in Crime Statistics and the Itsy Bitsy Yellow Polka Dot Bikini:
“Yet the public is generally unaware that the UCR system is essentially a voluntary system; there is no federal legislation that requires States or local jurisdictions to report their crime data to the FBI.
The voluntary nature of the UCR, of course, affects the accuracy and completeness of the data. Although the FBI devotes a great deal of attention to the quality of the data it publishes in CIUS, it cannot mandate agencies to provide data on time (or at all).”
Thus, if anything, the FBI underreports crime.
In any case, it would appear that other than what the INS reports when foreign nationals are deported, NO ONE IS TRACKING CRIMES COMMITTED ON US SOIL BY FOREIGN NATIONALS. Given the serious of the crimes and the large participation by mostly Hispanic and illegal alien, a.k.a. foreign national, criminals it seems almost as if the various government agencies don’t want us to know. Also, we could not find any investigative reporting by the mainstream media on the issue. If even a small number of those 704,709 crimes were committed against members of the media or politicians maybe we would have heard something…but the silence is deafening.
As noted in the previously-mentioned September 2006 article, Cop Murder Spotlights Crisis of Killer Aliens, in WND:
“While no government agencies specifically track crimes by illegal aliens, there have been some efforts to quantify the loss. Last December, Mac Johnson set out to investigate the number of homicides perpetrated by illegal aliens. Since the federal government would not provide any useful information, he contacted all 50 statehouses. Three months later, he had fewer than a dozen responses. Only one state, Vermont, provided any useful information.
He then set out to estimate statistically the number of murders by illegal aliens based on available crime data and conservative estimates of the actual number of illegal aliens in the country – which, of course, no one really knows.
He found that between 1,806 and 2,510 people in the U.S. are murdered annually by illegal aliens. If he’s right, that would represent between 11 percent and 15 percent of all murders in the U.S.”
Using the mean of Mr. Johnson’s range, there are 2,158 murders committed annually by illegal aliens – crimes that never would have happened if they weren’t here. This is part of the collateral damage of tolerating illegal immigration.
Note that at 2,158 murders, that is 15.3% of all the murders reported by the FBI, which would be about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population. Whether illegal aliens are committing three times as many of the other crimes as well is unknown because NO ONE IS TRACKING IT. Regardless, keep that “three times” in mind because it will come up again.
At this point it is worth noting Representative King states, in Biting the Hand That Feeds You, that illegal aliens are responsible for 4,380 murders. I believe Congressman King based his numbers on two GAO reports (d05337r and d05646r). He apparently then took the number of incarcerated illegal aliens and the total number of incarcerated prisoners and applied the resulting percentage to the FBI’s reported number of crimes. Based on this estimate, illegal aliens would be responsible for about 31% of the murders, a rate that is about 6.2 times their representation in the population. While there are indications that this number may be more accurate, no one really knows because NO ONE IS TRACKING IT.
Returning to the FBI’s crime list and a straight 5% prorated share committed by illegal aliens, some 704,709 crimes in 2005 were committed and each of these crimes has both a personal and economic impact. You can easily imagine the personal devastation on individuals and on families since all these crimes would not have happened if there were no illegal aliens in the country. Moreover, the unfortunate fact is that we as a nation and people have tolerated, and in many cases aided and abetted, illegal immigration.
The economic burden these crimes impose on their victims and on society have significant costs attached to them. As noted earlier, there has been a tremendous increase in the law enforcement budgets and each criminal arrested needs to be incarcerated at about $25,000 per year. How much more law enforcement is spending as a direct consequence of illegal aliens is unknown but reviewing the expenditure graphs, note that the rate of the expenditures increases after around 1989 which corresponds with the large increase in the illegal alien population.
In any case, with 267,000 illegal aliens incarcerated as of 2003, just the incarceration costs at $25,000 per inmate per year is $6.7 BILLION per year. We’ll take a wild guess that you didn’t realize we were spending that much. Do you have any better ideas on what we could be spending $6.7 billion a year on rather than providing three meals a day and color TV to a bunch of illegal alien prisoners? While you think about that, here is another one to ponder: how much money would we have saved since 1980 if there were still only 9,000 incarcerated illegal aliens rather than 267,000?
As extensive as these direct costs are, there are also indirect costs imposed on the victims, including loss of income and property, uncompensated hospital bills, and treatment for resulting emotional and psychological trauma, to say nothing of permanent physical disabilities.
As noted in the abstract of the report Victim Costs of Violent Crime and Resulting Injuries, by Miller, Cohen, and Rossman:
“This DataWatch estimates the costs and monetary value of lost quality of life due to death and nonfatal physical and psychological injury resulting from violent crime. In 1987 physical injury to people age twelve and older resulting from rape, robbery, assault, murder, and arson caused about $10 billion in potential health-related costs, including some unmet mental health care needs. It led to $23 billion in lost productivity and almost $145 billion in reduced quality of life (in 1989 dollars). If associated deaths and cases resulting in psychological injury only are included, costs average $47,000 for rape, $19,000 for robbery, $15,000 for assault, and $25,000 for arson. Considering only survivors with physical injury, rape cost $60,000, robberies $25,000, assaults $22,000, and arson $50,000. Costs are almost $2.4 million per murder. Lifetime costs for all intentional injuries totaled $178 billion during 1987-1990.”
Note that those costs are in 1989 dollars. Using the CPI index to adjust for 2006 dollars, multiply those numbers by 1.62 which means that, today, each rape costs society an average of $76,140 and each murder costs some $3.9 million. Thus just the 2,158 murders committed by illegal aliens burdened our society with $8.4 BILLION in costs.
The report tabulates the various costs for each crime as follows:
And all this…to save ten cents on a head of lettuce?
Holy crap, Jose.
Callate, pindejo.
http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-904236.cfm
KKKarl Rove gets an idea of how history will judge him–
DURHAM — Karl Rove encountered hecklers and protesters at Duke University Monday night, some accusing him of being a fraud, a traitor and even a killer.
President Bush’s former White House deputy chief of staff and senior adviser appeared in Page Auditorium for a “conversation” with Duke political science professor Peter Feaver.
But the situation intensified when the floor was opened to questions.
The first questioner, a woman, set the tone by sarcastically telling Rove, “Thank you for spinning such a fictional narrative” in his talk. Rove foes applauded and cheered.
The questioner then zeroed in on accusations that Rove “outed” then-CIA operative Valerie Plame in 2003 in retaliation for The New York Times op-ed article by her husband, Iraq war critic Joe Wilson.
Given that Bush had said he would not tolerate leaks, the questioner asked, “When does your trial for treason start?” to a thunderous roar.
Rove, in responding to the “treason” accusation, said, “I don’t mind being slandered” and praised Bush as a friend and supporter.
“You’re a murderer!” another opponent shouted at Rove.