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Iraq war. Then she changed her mind.
Liberal Activists Boo ClintonRejection of Iraq Timetable Gets Cool Reception at ConferenceBy Dan BalzWashington Post Staff WriterWednesday, June 14, 2006
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) drew boos and hisses from an audience of liberal activists yesterday as she defended her opposition to a timetable for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq, and later she received an implicit rebuke from Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) for failing to acknowledge that her support for the war was a mistake.
Clinton’s and Kerry’s appearances at the Take Back America conference at the Washington Hilton put on vivid display the Democratic Party’s divisions over the foreign policy issue that dominates this year’s midterm elections, and the two possible 2008 presidential candidates offered a preview of the debate that could dominate the battle for the party’s nomination.
Clinton and Kerry supported the 2002 congressional resolution authorizing the Iraq war. Kerry recently renounced that vote, but Clinton has never done so. She finds herself in opposition to a majority of Democratic activists and is the target of passionate criticism from some of them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/13/AR2006061301449.html
Hillary Receives Boos Again, This time on Immigration
December 1, 2007Crowd boos Clinton over immigration reform
By JENNIFER JACOBSREGISTER STAFF WRITER
The people got more microphone time than the politicians.
Five Democratic presidential candidates who spoke at the Heartland Presidential Forum Saturday in Des Moines could do little more than nod and listen as person after person – mostly out-of-state residents – shared emotional stories of perceived injustice.
And the audience of 3,600 did not hesitate to express emotion. As they listened to descriptions of loss of health insurance, the stench of a nearby factory farm, or a family split up by immigration officials, the crowd frequently yelled out: “That ain’t right!” and booed.
Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, felt the glare of their displeasure after Billy Lawless, a Chicago immigrations rights organizer, asked her if she’d commit to giving undocumented workers a path to citizenship in her first 100 days as president.
Clinton, who spoke via telephone after weather prevented her flight to Iowa, said immigration reform is a top priority.
But Lawless pressed her, asking if she’d do it in the first 100 days.
Clinton said it’s up to Congress to pass such reform, but as president she would do as much as possible.
The crowd booed, apparently upset that she wouldn’t commit to a 100-days promise.
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071201/NEWS/71201024/-1/SPORTS0806
MORE ON THOSE BOOS
From NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann
DES MOINES, IA — Clinton is probably glad she wasn’t here at the Heartland Presidential Forum to hear the boos from one prominent group in attendance. Heavy booing by members of the Illinois Coalition of Immigrant and Refugee Rights, a pro-immigration group based in Chicago, drowned out Clinton’s phone response to a question from one of their members. Clinton spoke via phone because of ice storms here and her dealing with yesterday’s hostage situation at one of her New Hampshire offices.
Asked by Coalition member Billy Lawless if she would address immigration reform during her first 100 days in office, Clinton did not offer a definite “yes,” saying, “Well, you’ve got to get the Congress to pass the legislation.” As hoots crescendoed from the rear of the room, she continued, “The president can do as much as possible, which I will do.”
Coalition staff member Ricardo Serrano described the Chicago-based group as a pro-immigrant rights coalition of ethnic and service organizations throughout the state of Illinois. The organization has a heavy Hispanic representation but also includes members of European and Asian groups. Lawless, the man who asked the question that prompted the boos, is an Irish immigrant.
Serrano said that the group has galvanized around opposition to Illinois congressman Rahm Emmanuel, who “pulled a 180 on us” by failing on his promise to push comprehensive immigration reform through the Congress earlier this year. Serrano is concerned that Clinton’s recent remarks on drivers’ licenses for illegals — on which he says she has “stumbled, if not completely backtracked” — might indicate her willingness to brush off immigrant communities.
It’s unclear if Clinton could hear the negative reaction over her telephone connection, which organizers explained was a one-way feed. Earlier in Clinton’s address, a moderator explained to the crowd that Clinton couldn’t hear prompting to cut off an answer that went over her two-minute limit.
“We respectfully request that you restrict your response to two minutes,” clarified the moderator after the senator’s first response.
“Yes ma’am,” came Clinton’s crackly response over the speakerphone.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/01/491652.aspx
Clinton: Immigration Flip Flopping
Before an audience made up largely of minorities, Clinton was forced to address once more her October response to a debate question about giving driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. After first equivocating, she later came out in support of the idea; now she opposes it.
Clinton has adopted more than one tone on immigration on the campaign trail. In front of some audiences, she has emphasized her desire to toughen enforcement at the borders and to crack down on employers who hire illegal workers. But on Saturday night, she struck a softer note, citing the country’s “immigrant values” and accusing the Republican candidates of demagoguery on the subject.
Earlier in the day, at a forum in Des Moines, Clinton was booed when she refused to pledge to push for immigration reform and to help provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants during her first 100 days as president.
Also Saturday night, she faced a question about whether her husband’s crime bill in the 1990s had increased incarceration rates. She said that it had, calling that an “unacceptable increase.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/01/AR2007120102024.html?hpid=moreheadlines
MAX WOULD SEEM TO HAVE A MAJOR GENDER IDENTITY PROBLEM WITH HILLARY CLINTON.. THATS ALL HE CAN POST ABOUT LATELY!! SURE LOOKS LIKE A FETISH OVER HILLARY!!
Hey it may not be Max’s fault, it could be a slow news day? Oh wait a minute:http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Skipping-Anthem-an-un-America-move-by-NFL-Steel?urn=nfl,55829
The NFL and the Pittsburgh Steelers decided to start their Monday Night Football game without the National Anthem according to the Denver Post. Bad enough football has taken away all our free time in the fall and early winter. Now, it’s going to take away our patriotism?
This time, it seemed like the NFL had gone too far. The game between the hometown Steelers and hapless Miami Dophlins was delayed roughly 25 minutes because of horrendous weather. Understood. The rain drove with the intensity of a hurricane residue. There were frightening lightning strikes, a strong wind, a swampland for a Heinz Field playing surface.
Everyone ran for cover, from the fans in the stands to the players on the field. But the Star-Spangled Banner was written with bombs bursting in air. Nothing’s tougher than the National Anthem. The NFL hardly seemed worthy of its red, white and blue insignia colors by canceling America’s most honorable song so the show could on two minutes less late.
Sat Dec 1, 3:06 PM ET
ANKARA (Reuters) – Turkey said it inflicted heavy casualties on Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq on Saturday in an “intense intervention” involving helicopters, artillery and a cross-border raid by special forces. Though the new government information officer “Bob” clear things up, “There was no invasion by Turkish troop into North Iraq, go about your everyday lives! Oh and ignore the man behind the curtain too..”(LOL OK that last bit was me doing some editorial, but a rep from the central government in Baghdad did say there was no intervention.)
Oh gee, they forgot to play the natn anthem. I wonder if they’ll get death threats.
Max, 60 plus percent of Americans support a path to citizenship, it all depends on the extent. I think a good president can handle a little booing. You have to make the hard decisions and not everyone is going to like it.
“Hillary Receives Boos Again, This time on Immigration”
At least Hillary shows up before a crowd that isn’t just her supporters, unlike Bush.
The Des Moines Register reports this morning that Barak Obama and Mike Huckabee are leading their respective races in Iowa.
Poor ol’ “Max” has been ranting about Senator Clinton and finally outted himself to be for the Iowa also-rans Thompson, Guiliani, and Romney.
Could the opinions “Max” be more irrelevant?
Business lobbyists, nervously anticipating Democratic gains in next year’s elections, are racing to secure final approval for a wide range of health, safety, labor and economic rules, in the belief that they can get better deals from the Bush administration than from its successor.Hoping to lock in policies backed by a pro-business administration, poultry farmers are seeking an exemption for the smelly fumes produced by tons of chicken manure. Businesses are lobbying the Bush administration to roll back rules that let employees take time off for family needs and medical problems. And electric power companies are pushing the government to relax pollution-control requirements.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/washington/02lobby.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Big Business sees the handwriting on the wall:
“The candy store is about to close”
We LOVE our healthcare Industry NOT:
The healthcare industry is one of the champion leeches of all times and receives cheers from the bleachers chanting
charge me more/charge me more/charge me more,
we love paying more and more,
we love you over paid CEO’s charge me more,
please spend more special interest money then charge me more,tell more lies about National Health Insurance then charge me more charge me more,anything is better than equal medical care for all charge me more charge me more
and the beat goes on
Yeah Dad, the kids were out just for a little fun and profit, you know – kids
Lawyer: Suspects Charged in Sean Taylor Murder ‘Terrified’
Sunday, December 02, 2007
MIAMI — Four young men charged with unpremeditated murder in the shooting death of Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor have not been strangers to police. Still, nothing came close to what they faced Saturday.
Eric Rivera, 17; Charles Wardlow, 18; Jason Mitchell, 19; and Venjah Hunte, 20, were charged with Taylor’s slaying, home invasion with a firearm or another deadly weapon and armed burglary. Police said the suspects were looking for a simple burglary, but it turned bloody when they were startled to find Taylor home.
“They’re terrified,” said Sawyer Smith, who along with his father, Wilbur, represent Rivera and Mitchell. “These are young boys who are absolutely terrified about the position in which they find themselves.”
“It’s more than greed. Greed is one thing,” said Richard Sharpstein, Taylor’s former attorney. “They’re looking for a quick hit, a couple of thousand bucks here, a couple of thousand there. And for what?”
Wow Monkey!
You take the Iowa polls as gospel.
And you assume that how Iowa votes, so goes the nation.
Huckabee may very well win in Iowa. Elsewhere?
So to attack my credibility on the basis of my support of 3 Republicans in the Primary, is like attacking your credibility for supporting Kerry in 2004.
Published on Sunday, December 2, 2007 by The Sunday Times/UKUS Says It Has Right to Kidnap British Citizensby David LeppardAMERICA has told Britain that it can “kidnap” British citizens if they are wanted for crimes in the United States.
A senior lawyer for the American government has told the Court of Appeal in London that kidnapping foreign citizens is permissible under American law because the US Supreme Court has sanctioned it.
The admission will alarm the British business community after the case of the so-called NatWest Three, bankers who were extradited to America on fraud charges. More than a dozen other British executives, including senior managers at British Airways and BAE Systems, are under investigation by the US authorities and could face criminal charges in America.
Until now it was commonly assumed that US law permitted kidnapping only in the “extraordinary rendition” of terrorist suspects.
The American government has for the first time made it clear in a British court that the law applies to anyone…
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/02/5566/
“I think a good president can handle a little booing. You have to make the hard decisions and not everyone is going to like it.”
Posted by: political_mom | December 02, 2007 at 05:17 AM
Political Mom
Kind of like how Bush is making the hard decsion to not bail out on Iraq like the left is crying for?
Kind of like how Bush is making the hard decsion to not bail out on Iraq like the left is crying for?
Interesting.
Last I heard, better than 70 percent of Americans wanted a near term resolution to bush’s Iraq misadventure. This includes no small number of Republicans.
HARDLY a call only from “the left”.
Must be those polls that the pollsters take right outside with the offices of the Washington Press Corp eh J R?
70 percent? (chortles)
I think Iowa should be the last place to hold a primary. Iowa has never elected any woman to any major office. Sounds like they’re too sexist to believe in equality.
I think Iowa should be the last place to hold a primary. Iowa has never elected any woman to any major office. Sounds like they’re too sexist to believe in equality.
Posted by: political_mom | December 02, 2007 at 07:03 PM
Yeah PMom, that must be it, too sexist.
“”"The NFL and the Pittsburgh Steelers decided to start their Monday Night Football game without the National Anthem according to the Denver Post. Bad enough football has taken away all our free time in the fall and early winter. Now, it’s going to take away our patriotism? “”"
If you feel so inclined to stand up and sing the Star Spangled Banner to demonstrate you patriotism, go ahead and do so. But don’t force everybody else to sign that stupid dumb song. If I owned a team, the FIRST thing I would do is BAN the singing of that horribly bad song. It would be replaced with “America The Beautiful” which should be the National Song anyway.
new topic- What have we learned from watching Sudanese citizens treatment of the British teacher vis-a-vis the teddy bear named Muhammed?1)Muhammed must have been quite to murderer.2) Muhammed never spoke about democracy, tolerance, and respect for others.3) Muhammed is a fraud.4) Muhammed is a profit in the same vein as Charles Manson.5) Muhammed must have eaten his own excrement because his followers must eat each others excrement – what else explains the group mental instability.Jesus, if you are truly out there, please find Muhammed, pull his face from his toilet, and send that bastard to hell so he can be with his followers.
forgive my grammer
grammar
Stu,Just put the pipe down and everything will be ok.
Britian should say simply send the teacher home and nothing more will come of this.
Pain or detain her and we will bomb you back to the stonegage (short trip tho it is) with Mohammed bears packed with plastique.
Let the record show Nathan stands with econ.
Nathan thinks Hitler was allied with radical Islam.
And why pray tell is not Nathan questioning the service record of our own “kansas”?
Where are Hank and well, econ is off reading the National Enquirer I guess. But why is the service record of a regular poster here not questioned? Don’t his lies diminish (if they are lies) those who have served?
Oh yeah. Even if he is an insane liar. He insanely lies on their side.
THAT got the Murtha thread closed?
JR,
You just don’t get it do you?
The above was my recent post to the Murtha thread.
Just after, it was closed.
Well I guess we will see Nathan.
IF that post closed the Murtha thread it should close this one too?
Good job JR. You shut down one topic. Going for the whole blog next?
Who could blame the Eagle for closing the whole thing for good?
JR,
Even “IF” the editors close this thread or delete your comment AGAIN…
You still wouldn’t get it.
It aint me threatened to shut down the blog.
What is objectionable in my post to the Murtha thread just before the post was removed and the thread shut down?
‘Earth’s Tropics Belt Expands’http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071202/D8T9FBM80.html
“Earth’s tropical belt seems to have expanded a couple hundred miles over the past quarter century, which could mean more arid weather for some already dry subtropical regions, new climate research shows.”
More at link.
Earth’s weather is changing
It could be happening in your area too.
More at link
http://www.noaa.gov/
It doesn’t seem so tropical today.
Send us some globally warmed air now please!
Nathan, I’ve checked that website out before.
You know they are about 50% accurate with their 3-day weather forecast.
I wonder how accurate that 100-year global warming forecast is.
Max
I have posted the same here as I did there.
And I am bookmarking the post next.
The post to the thread in question was topical, not profane, and far more benign than others that have been let stand.
Very interesting.
Looks like the Murtha thread sort of got unraveled… then it got shut down… dont think it was any ONE poster that did it…
Max and Nathan do not seem to understand the difference between weather, and climate.
I guess it too complicated for them.
Romney to give speech on his Mormon faith:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071203/pl_nm/usa_politics_religion_dc_1But will he address America’s burning questions about Magical Underwear?
Cosmos does not seem to understand the logical falacy of a strawman argument or he is simply doing it on purpose.
I guess he is either ignorant or just plain dishonest.
Anyone notice a pattern of late? Pakistan trying to rig the game so Musharff can hold onto power: Putin doing the same in Russia: Chavez same/same in Venezula: Maybe concern of Americans that Bush might follow suit, aren’t nearly as absurd as they would have been perceived a few years ago.
cosmos brings science.
What do you bring Nathan?
I bring logic and reason.
What do you bring JR?
Nathan, as usual, brings ad hominems at 11:19 PM.
“Earth’s weather is changing ”
Posted by: Nathan | December 02, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Earth’s CLIMATE is also changing.
‘Earth’s Tropics Belt Expands’http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071202/D8T9FBM80.html
Please show your logic and reason Nathan. Your posts do not demonstrate it.
JR,
Please demonstrate anytyhing other than your antagonistic attitude here where your only purpose seems to be to annoy posters and distrupt the blog.
And you do what exactly Nathan?
Well you attack cosmos and offer no refute.
And I note your spelling is off.
I’ll afford I may not actually be addressing the real Nathan.
What is it you do “Nathan”?
Now I’ve seen you attack an old lady and certainly forgiven you baseless attacks on me.
But over your long history? You DO move debate. But only I think as an instigator. I rarely see you bring any real ideas at all.
Well I leave it to you Nathan. Me I need to sleep.
JR,
LOL… attack cosmos?
This is the crap cosmos posts about me:
“Max and Nathan do not seem to understand the difference between weather, and climate.
I guess it too complicated for them.”
How am I supposed to respond?
This is all cosmos does. He completley misrepresents anything anyone says to him about Global Warming.
I pointed out his logical error. And then threw in a snide comment just like he does.
Linda has done little more than take little shots at me for several months now.
I hardly “attack” an old lady by calling her on it.
Good night JR.
Perhaps one day you will stop causing problems around here like you expect everyone else to.
Look at your expectations of other posters here then look in the mirror and correct yourself.
“How am I supposed to respond?”
Posted by: Nathan | December 03, 2007 at 12:00 AM
By explaining the difference between weather, and climate.
But Nathan does NOT seem to understand the difference, so he instead repeatedly makes false attacks at me.
Cosmos,
You are really too much.
“he instead repeatedly makes false attacks at me.”
Like this:
“But Nathan does NOT seem to understand the difference”
You accuse me of doing exactly what you do in the same post.
“How am I supposed to respond?”
Posted by: Nathan | December 03, 2007 at 12:00 AM
By ** EXPLAINING ** the difference between weather, and climate.
But Nathan does NOT seem to understand the difference, so he instead AGAIN makes false attacks at me.
What the hell, “cosmos” –
Just simplify the whole discussion and go out and shoot “Nathan’s” dog.
Cosmos,
Please quote exactly what I have said which would lead you to make the statement that I don’t know the difference between climate and weather?
Nathan,
Your response to my post about climate,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/12/open-thread-1-1.html#comment-92078470
MonkeyHawk,
NO way! I do NOT want to be “disapeared” by a gun-loving CC Marine.
Cosmos,
How did that indicate I didn’t know the difference between climate and weather?
But Nathan does NOT seem to understand the difference, so he instead AGAIN makes false attacks at me.
Posted by: cosmos | December 03, 2007 at 12:40 AM
cosmos is what we call in Kansas, a dickweed – he won’t ever reform his smart alec put down, ad hominems.
Nah Nathan let’s just forget about the niceties.
I’d never be able to live up to your expectations anyhow. Lacking that whole bit about “God’s blessing” and all.
Let’s just have at it. I’m done at playing nice.
And, “Kansas” –
Calling someone “a dickweed” somehow *isn’t* ad hominem?
What color is the sky on your planet, “Kansas?”
“cosmos is what we call in Kansas, a dickweed – he won’t ever reform his smart alec put down, ad hominems.”
Monkeyhawk replies: “Calling someone ‘a dickweed’ somehow *isn’t* ad hominem?”
That’s precisely the point behind posting the comment.
Re: Kansas
DNFTT