Both sides are likely partly correct in a debate about GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee’s Christmas campaign advertisement. In the TV spot, Huckabee says: “Are you about worn out by all the television commercials you’ve been seeing, mostly about politics? Well, I don’t blame you. At this time of year sometimes it’s nice to pull aside from all of that and just remember that what really matters is the celebration of the birth of Christ and being with our family and friends.â€
Some have complained that Huckabee is going too far mixing faith and politics, to which Huckabee responded: “If we are so politically correct in this country that a person can’t say, ‘Enough of the nonsense with the political attack ads, could we pause for a few days and say Merry Christmas to each other?’ then we’re really, really in trouble as a country.â€
Yes, we should be able to say “Merry Christmas†to one another. But few are naive enough to believe that the campaign ad wasn’t about politics and Huckabee’s ongoing efforts to appeal to conservative Christian voters.
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Another bash Huckabee thread? Come on Phillip!
Isn’t there a democrat primary going on somewhere?
Hillary’s numbers falling like a rock, Edwards fathering a ‘love child’ we don’t know if “O” stands for Opra or Obama and you wnat to get after Huckabee’s Christmas add because of a cross?
Sheesh!
“Merry Christmas,” says Huckabee, “from a humble Christian. You see, I very humble. Much more humble than you.”
“And as I pray and bray on the street corner, pay no attention to what the Bible says about praying on the street corner . . . “
Loved it when all the Libs went spastic over the crossbars of a window sill that looked like a cross.
“And as I pray and bray on the street corner, pay no attention to what the Bible says about praying on the street corner . . . ”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 19, 2007 at 12:34 PM
…says the Sunday School (cough) teacher…
Crapn,
I missed the report of Huckabee’s prayer. Would you mind telling me what he prayed?
Thanks,
CT
Kansas–
One thing I try to instill in my charges is the need to be sincere. No wonder YOU don’t understand.
Tater Tit–
Watch Olbermann if you want to see the ad.
Well, enjoy whining and moaning about the parasitical poor and the socialists who “enable” them, Christian soldiers.
I’m off to spend the afternoon wrapping presents for poor kids in the “Caring and Sharing” program.
Don’t bother to get up as I leave . . .
Phil,
Nobody is naive enough to think that this thread you started is anything more than an attempt to draw response and incite ‘discussion’.
The ad is really a non-issue. It is not news that a politician makes an ad painting a positive image and trying to appeal to their supporters.
So what?
PS: Dear dipsh*t typepad filter, this is not spam.
Yes, Phillip another politician has produced a commercial supporting his campaign image.
Yeah, front page news only because of the left’s apparent love affair with bashing Huckabee.
Huckabee says he has a “degree in Theology” but it turns out he never completed his degree . . .
Please, God, let a man who lies about his religious traing be the candidate.
I’m off to spend the afternoon wrapping presents for poor kids in the “Caring and Sharing” program.
Don’t bother to get up as I leave . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 19, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Most people don’t brag about their contributions or activities to charitable organizations.
Apparently Capn, you couldn’t stretch your arms out fast enough to pat yourself on the back.
“Edwards fathering a ‘love child’ ”
Say what? I thought it was McCain who did that! (South Carolina 2000)
“I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well.”
“I have a bachelor of arts in religion and a minor in communications in my undergraduate work. And then I have 46 hours on a master’s degree at Southwestern Theology Seminary. So, my degree as a theological degree is at the college level and then 46 hours toward a masters in theology . . . ”
Which he never got, so . . . he doesn’t have a degree in theology.
It’s an exaGGERation . . .
Mike Huckabee: Wikipedia”He graduated magna cum laude from Ouachita Baptist University, completing his bachelors degree in Religion in 2½ years before attending Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas where he dropped out after one year.”
We’ve already discussed this on this blog Capn. Huckabee finished his degree, but not Seminary Training. Huckabee did however, complete his ordination in ministry.
Do try and stay focused Capn.
“Love child.”
Yup. Let the Swiftboating begin.
“Loved it when all the Libs went spastic over the crossbars of a window sill that looked like a cross.”
“…says the Sunday School (cough) teacher…”
and
“Most people don’t brag about their contributions or activities to charitable organizations.
“Apparently Capn, you couldn’t stretch your arms out fast enough to pat yourself on the back.”
Flagrant flaming of “libs” and Capn America.
Re Kansas:
DNFTT
Heh, I wasn’t bragging, Kansas.
I was trying to shame you for sitting there and blogging all day when you could be doing something for the society that allows you to sit there and blog all day.
As usual, the man has no shame . . .
I do things Capn for my Church and with my Church.
I just don’t brag about it like some.
CapN, it wont matter about his degree… They will just spin it around to say, Look at the fine gentleman, who at least Studied some Theology!! LOL
How come other posts arent getting niled as SPAM??
“And as I pray and bray on the street corner, pay no attention to what the Bible says about praying on the street corner . . . ”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 19, 2007 at 12:34 PM
I’m off to spend the afternoon wrapping presents for poor kids in the “Caring and Sharing” program.
Don’t bother to get up as I leave . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 19, 2007 at 12:46 PM
’nuff said
“Edwards fathering a ‘love child’ ”
Any backup for that Hank?
Somebody should tell Tater Tot not to type its posts as much the way that Hank and Nathan do – LOL
“And as I pray and bray on the street corner, pay no attention to what the Bible says about praying on the street corner . . . ”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 19, 2007 at 12:34 PM
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Crapn,
I still can’t find that prayer you were alluding to earlier. I found a Christmas ad in which Huck had the contemptible temerity to actually use the word “Christ” in a reverent tone (how fascist), and to very offensively say, “Merry Christmas,” — but I can’t find that prayer you referred to. Perhaps you could help me out, since you were directly referencing a prohibition about hypocritically doing religious or good deeds in front of people in order to receive praise from them.
Now, what was that you were blogging about going off to help some poor children with Christmas gifts? (I’m off to spend the afternoon wrapping presents for poor kids in the “Caring and Sharing” program.Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 19, 2007 at 12:46 PM )
Hucky again? When I first heard about him I thought “hey this guy might be a problem for us Democrats” but the more I hear about him, the less of a problem he will be. It is obvious that he cannot take the heat of his own rivals in the GOP. Can you imagine him dealing with Putin or China? They’d have him for lunch!
If a politician didn’t try to make themselves look as good as possible and be as pleasant as they can to their supporters and voters they hope to persuade, THEN we would have something to talk about.
I like being wished good and happy thoughts ALL times of the year and find that most people are more willing to spread good cheer around the holidays. I count that as a good thing!
Chas, I get the “bot” each post. I don’t post often but it must always be possible SPAM. I just prefer the bot to the alternative so didn’t mention it. I try my hardest to get the numbers and letters correct the first time ’cause my eyes have trouble seeing those things and they seem to get more difficult if I miss one.
OK – I dont see a prayer in the Huckabee Ad either…
BUT — I also dont see CapN asking for anybody’s praise in making his statement about going out to help some of the poor folk to have a nice Christmas either…
Score: 1 – 1
Goodness Tater, that’s pretty harsh calling Capn out on being a hypocrite. That fact that he did it in the same thread is all the more amusing.
I hope for his sake that he has a good explanation to all of his hypocrite hating liberal friends.
Better watch out, rfl, reality might reach out and bite you on the hand!! CapN never said he wanted “praise” for doing any good deeds… Just stating what he is doing isnt hypocrisy! OH, BUT THEN, you already know that dont you??
Flamer!!
Hey Ben,
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/john_edwards_love_child/celebrity/64426
Probably just some more dirty tricks from Hillary’s camp!
Chas,Since when does anybody explicitly ask for praise for himself?
Hey, that is what the “jesus” quote says… CapN didnt do that!
And oh, boy, people DO find ways… many ways… to ask “praise” for their actions!! I have seen plenty of it in 30 years service in the Parish!! More than I like to think about!!
Pandering to the ‘War on Christmas” crowd.
Hey, rfl, some people even try to do it with Memorial Gifts… if they cant get the “praise” they crave in life, they will see to it that they get it in Death!!
I’ve seen lots of that too!!
Jesus said the Pharisees were doing their deeds in order to “be seen by men” — That is their INTENT… to be seen, and praised by others for their good works!! Read the story some time… most interesting!!
An ad idea for them to use: During the Super Bowl run clips of the greatest plays in NFL history. Then just a short tag line “This great moment brought to you by … “
Hank – that has KKKKarl Rove’s fingerprints all over it! Just ask Jown McCain.
Poster C,
The hypocrites publicly performing their “good deeds” never acknowledged their real motivation for doing so. In fact, they were probably blind to their motivation. It was Jesus who judged their motivation, declaring them hypocrites and saying imperatively, “when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you.” Or perhpas you prefer, “when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret.” The prohibition was that we weren’t to make these thing public. Those that do were judged by Jesus to be hypocrites.
But then, as a “minister,” you already know that, don’t you? (Or do you?)
Hey Ben — THAT might sell!! Better send that one in to somebody!! That has a nice RING to it!!
I just SAID that Tater!! take off your blinders and READ!! for a change!! and stop slamming my career!! Thats such a cheap shot… but then, consider the source…
Chas,
Please provide this “jesus” quote and show where doing good deeds publicly is only wrong if you explicitly ask for praise after doing them?
The quote speaks of doing the deeds and anouncing it publicly. that is exactly what Capn did. Capn actions are the same for which he condemned someone else.
Score:
Chas: zero
just SAID that Tater!! take off your blinders and READ!!
Posted by: Chas. | December 19, 2007 at 01:59 PM_______
Poster C,
That’s not at all what you said. You were trying to parse motives. Jesus alreeady judged motives (without your help, I might add) and imperatively instructed ACTIONS and BEHAVIOR. Something which you have completely (and typically) ignored. The original issue, which you have Chasistically obfuscated, was that
1. Crapn asserted Huck prayed. He did not, which means Crapn falsely accused Huck. That was exposed.2. Crapn asserted that the non-existent prayer violated a Biblical command. However, since there was no prayer, there was no violation.3. Crapn tried to paint Huck as a hypocrite for said alledged violations.
What I pointed out was both the inaccuracy of Crapn’s allegations, and his own hypocrisy, which is blatant. You have tried to defend it by your standard deconstruction of the Scripture. And now we can be fairly sure that everyone sees that, too.
Happy Hanukkah Huckabee
Let’s see. An ad, by a politician running for president, in the heart of primary season.
Nah, couldn’t be politically driven, could it? [eye roll]
Why do you ask?
Hank – that has KKKKarl Rove’s fingerprints all over it! Just ask Jown McCain.
Posted by: Ben | December 19, 2007 at 01:56 PM
I have no idea what you’re talking about Ben.
It ain’t Rove that’s about to finish third to Obama and Edwards in Iowa. He ain’t got no dog in this hunt.
So, just got back from India, where I went to help with the poor leper children. Did I miss anything?
Of course the fact that the National Enquirer is own by Altman, a very strong Hillary supporter and possibly her Secretary of the Treasury can’t possibly be the link.
Naw, It’s just another right wing conspiracy making some poor ol’ democrat be unfaithful to his wife again.
” have no idea what you’re talking about Ben.
“It ain’t Rove that’s about to finish third to Obama and Edwards in Iowa. He ain’t got no dog in this hunt.”
This comment is of questionable accuracy. Rove’s modus operendi was to inflame the base and tick off the opposition. Inflaming the base was key. Look at the “eek! socialism! socialism is ruining this countreee!” nitwits running around posting everything that reflects badly on a specific Democratic candidate.
(above post continued)
Rove, in a presidential election, would want an opponent who precisely incites that kind of motivation in the components of his base.
Of course, Rove the scumbag (and I stand by this characterization) is officially retired, isn’t he? But that doesn’t mean that others haven’t learned from him.
Note, the above should not be construed as a claim that the Republicans or Rove are behind the Edwards charge.
Hey editors, dividing the post into two happened, I presume, because of the spam blocking properties. As a way to avoid spam, might I suggest that this isn’t the way. You are guaranteeing more drive-by, short, contentless flames with this strategy.
Come on.
Careful gang, Chas is going to self combust.
Oh wow, I wonder if he used his campaign funds to run that ad?
Yes, that’s incredibly scary to me that he’s already mixing religion and politics.
Says a lot for how he’ll run the presidency. I will work doubly hard to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Shoot, I cant even get the darned thing to take my post!!
I give up!! These guys can tear posters to shreds, and I cant even get the Bot to let me defend a different position!! Thanks WEBLOG!! Thanks a bunch!!
Chas.
With all due respect, you communicate far too much frustration on this board. That’s what makes you such appealing troll bait.
Do you understand what I am saying?
And to the people who instituted the type pad filter.
Seriously, guys, come up with something else, unless you want this to become just a written version of opinion line.
Hank – what better way to attack TWO opponents than to plant such a story about one and make it look like it came from the other. You tear down the target while also undermining the alleged mud-slinger.
What ever happened to the black child McCain fathered in South carolina in 2000? Remember that one?
“Hank – what better way to attack TWO opponents than to plant such a story about one and make it look like it came from the other. You tear down the target while also undermining the alleged mud-slinger.”
Indeed. To claim that someone like Rove wouldn’t have a reason to advance such a rumor would be questionable. Furthermore, someone like Rove would like to have a Hillary Clinton on the oppositions ticket, because he believes that it will increase his side’s turnout.
Which is why, I believe, Rove has tried to coronate Hillary as the Democratic nominee.
ksag – and, at least as important, he wants bitterness. Right now most Democrats are satisfied with the ‘other’ candidates as a choice in November. He needs things to get nasty enough where supporters of an ‘also-ran’ will stay home instead of voting for the nominee.
You know, you guys might be right! After all, Hillary is such a warm and caring woman, devoting her whole life to public service, never thinking of herself. . .
We need to drag Rove out of retirement! Only he can invent enough dirt on Hillary to give us a chance.
Sheesh. You guys are serious aren’t you?
Hank — the key word there is INVENT!! LOL
In August, George hid behind Petraeus; now, in December, The Huckster hides behind Jesus. Seems to be a good Repubican tradition, hiding behind someone who actually still HAS some credibility left.
After the week The Huckster has had, what with the exposure of the ludicrous emptiness where his foreign policy expertise ought to be, I can see why hiding behind the Son of Man seems like a good way to get the word out.
Jesus said the Pharisees were doing their deeds in order to “be seen by men” — That is their INTENT… to be seen, and praised by others for their good works!! Read the story some time… most interesting!!
Posted by: Chas. | December 19, 2007 at 01:53 PM
==========================That is from Matthew 6:1ff…
Now, this is what TATER said:
“That’s not at all what you said. You were trying to parse motives. Jesus alreeady judged motives (without your help, I might add) and imperatively instructed ACTIONS and BEHAVIOR. Something which you have completely (and typically) ignored. The original issue, which you have Chasistically obfuscated….”
(posted by tater)
I Also said this – 1:35 p.m. >>
“OK – I dont see a prayer in the Huckabee Ad either…”
Now, your point was what??
Huckabee’s ad was brilliant.I’m no Christian, but it was very good.
The producer/director/Huchabee knew the cross was there. Nothing wrong with that.
Poster C.,
After all that time, work and effort, you still somehow managed to miss the point… In this case specific instructions are clearly given about what we are to do and not to do. Jesus judged the motives behind the actions. You want to dwell on what Jesus already settled and re-judge why someone would or wouldn’t do something. As has been posted all the through this discussion, it was the specific actions that demonstrated the hypocrisy. In the initial post by Crapn, he accused Huck of of specific actions which would have indicated hypocrisy. But the accusation did not occur. Immediately thereafter, Crapn actually DID what he accused Huck of doing, and violated the imperative he was citing against Huck. Jesus gave concrete instructions. Huck did not violate them. Crapn did. It was all very public and obvious, as several pointed out. Why is that hard for you to grasp? No one else is having any problem understanding that. I’m not spending any more time on this. If you can’t get it now, you can’t get it.
“I’m no Christian.”
Truer words, fleettwood, truer words.
“Truer words, fleettwood, truer words.”
At least I’m honest.
Rant on Tater toot — you do it so well.. I stand on what I posted before. If you cant handle, that’s OK!! I am not playing your flame game — regardless of which one of your names you use!!
Oh a GOOD catch on the Hickabee ad!
I saw it.
It was CLEARLY a not quite subliminal “I’m God’s candidate!”
A cross over his shoulder slowly moving by adjustment of camera angle so that Huckabee ends up in front of the cross?
Are you kidding me? Of course it was intentional.
If I were a Christian, I’d find that presumptuous and offensive.
The Chasticle has spoken Tater Toot.
But you know how much he dislikes ad hominem unless he’s the one that is doing it. :)
I’m waiting for Hillary to have one where a halo hoovers over her head.
This ad is reminiscent of a speech I saw by bush once.
It had the flag behind one of his shoulders and the statue of Liberty ON the other.
Shameless. Presumptuous.
Manipulative.
Manipulative? Of course it is.
It’s stagecraft. It appeals to those he wants to appeal to, and those offended will likely not vote for him anyway. And he’s got all of us talking to us.
Stagecraft. Every politician uses it, or better learn to. Woe to the politician who does not use it. Image is everything, remember?
. . . that’s “talking about him.”
not “talking to us.”
Edit is my friend . . .
So . . . is the trick to the “comment spam” bot to write in short, meaningless text bites? To avoid any lengthy, meaningful exchange?
Is the goal to squeeze all the life and substance out of this blog?
The Ad is reminiscent of a Sunday Morning Talkling Head Preacher Show..
It just doesnt end with: “Tune in next Sunday for an inspiring message on the important theme of “___________”"
GMC, I think somebody has done something with the “spam” settings on the Blog Bot… I dont think it has much to do with length, as it does certain “words” and “phrases” that it picks up.
It is offensive.
The bot I mean.
But Hickabee is too.
If I saw this among the Dem nominees I would say so as well.
Is this the Hucksters ‘mission accomplished’ banner in the back ground?
Well, they all say how Obama has no foreign policy experience, or experience managing a major budget like the Fed budget; or any thing else…
SO — What does a career as a SBC pastor, and a term as Governor of Arkansas do to make Huckabee capable of handling the affairs of State required by the President?? I mean, at least G. W. Bush had the example of his Father’s presidency, and vice-presidency to use as models… even if he didnt do much on that one…
Those who want to complain about a Bush/Clinton Dynasty, there isnt much of “clinton” in that dynasty… Bush 20 years… Clinton 8 years… Remember Bush 41 was VP for 8 years before he was President…
In a way, Phantom, you could say that… with accuracy…
There is really nothing WRONG with the Ad… I just question the use of it at this particular point in time… Seems more like an Ad he might want to run IF he was elected President, and then run this one at his FIRST Christmas in the White House..??
At least the Clinton dynasty doesn’t involve the same gene pool, like the bush’s did. The nut didn’t fall far from the bush.
You’re right, Phantom… I was also thinking that Huckabee doesnt even have the “international” experiences of Bill Richardson, or Obama, or even Hillary!! Unless you count his activities in raising funds for World Mission Outreach, like any other clergy of any denomination… I just dont see how he could be persuasive on the world stage, and barely on the domestic front!! Except for folks relating to his particular “faith-based” urges.
Just look at the time of posts from Kansas and you’ll see that whatever he’s “doing for his church” can’t be much.
Sorry I wasn’t around yesterday to defend myself from the reich-wing ridiculing my charity work.
I was . . . uh . . . doing charity work.
Matthew 5: 11-12
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
“Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
I love reading chapter and verse back to the religious fundos, a liberal who knows the scriptures better than they do . . . drives ‘em nuts.
“But as it is, you boast in your arrogance; all such boasting is evil.” – James 4:16
CapnAmerica,
Only you and Chas are under some delusion that you know the scripture better than the “fundies” as you claim.
You are one of the biggest trouble makers here, rude, beligerent and then you go around acting all pious when it comes to the Christian threads.
Why is it that both Chas and you, who claim to be such great church going Christians, are the first ones to jump on someone like Huckabee who has spent a great deal of his life devoted to Christ and sharing his message?
Capn -
Does your arm hurt when you pat yourself on the back?
Smug and hypocritical doesn’t suit you. Let it go.
There is really nothing WRONG with the Ad… I just question the use of it at this particular point in time… Seems more like an Ad he might want to run IF he was elected President, and then run this one at his FIRST Christmas in the White House..??
Posted by: Chas. | December 19, 2007 at 11:21 PM
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Say what, Nathan??
CapN, it wont matter about his degree… They will just spin it around to say, Look at the fine gentleman, who at least Studied some Theology!! LOL
Posted by: Chas. | December 19, 2007 at 01:15 PM
Say what, Chas????
Nathan, off all of the candidates running, Huckabee is the LEAST qualified academically! There is something to be said for that minor fact, dont you think??
Huckabee:
He looks like a moderate, charms like a moderate & talks like a conservative.
Translation — votes, votes and more votes!
It’s pretty obvious he scares the bejeebers out of liberals & liberal mouthpieces like Phillip Brownlee.
Go get ‘em, Mike!