“Mitt Romney is campaigning on his record as governor; yet he has become unrecognizable to the citizens who voted him into office,†writes Jane Swift, a Republican who was acting Massachusetts governor from 2001 to 2003 and is now a supporter of John McCain. She cites Romney’s evaporated support for gay rights, an assault weapons ban, the “morning-after pill†and Roe v. Wade, and takes offense at how Romney now uses Massachusetts as the butt of jokes. And if he became the GOP nominee, she concludes, “Romney would have to tack back toward the middle — where most American voters comfortably sit — in order to win. That might just be a flip-flop-flap.â€
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The republican presidential candidates are destroying themselves. The think the religious right controls the repub party – don’t think so. Sure the RR gets out to vote in the primary, but it’s the middle that votes in the general and elects the prez. If the canidates would quit pandering to the RR, they would do better. Let the goofy demos destroy themselves. Dukakas, Gore, Kerry.
Lets face it all canidates at one time or another will change their views on one issue or another. Flip-flop? I think it depends on which side of the candidate you are on,if you dont like him/her they flip flopped,if you do like them they just adjusted their stance on the issue.
All the Republicans are a joke. It is just which one of them is the least of a joke. Romney changes directions like a weather vane in a Kansas tornado!
This sounds more personal than policy motivated.
John McCain and Mitt Romney share pretty much identical views, today.
I don’t think Romney has a grudge against Boeing, like McCain does.
Also, Romney has pointed out the free speech violations of “McCain Feingold” campaign finance rules.
However, McCain gets high marks from the NRA, National Right to Life (on issues other than campaign finance) and and other conservative groups.
Again, this is a personal matter with a woman scorned (politically).
People like Willard Romney to a Ken doll or Plasticman.
Largely this is due to his dull, colorless, lifeless appearance.
The guy could not excite an insurance seminar.
In reality? Willard Romney is more like that old toy “Stretch Armstrong”. You can twist him into any shape you want and he just slowly morphs back into a readily pliable figure of goo available for the next pair of hands to manipulate.
Romney has changed positions, but at least in my view, for the better. We are fortunate to have this experienced, accomplished man, successful in business and politics, untouched by scandal, running for the Republican nomination.
Republicans need to get over the Mormon concerns. It’s 2007.
I will support Romney. He is a good man.
However, I do think it would be funny if Romney and Edwards ran against each other.
Maybe GQ Magazine could sponsor a debate?
Maybe they could both appear on “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy”.
I think I would research hair gel manufacturing stock.
Sales would skyrocket!
By the way, the Democrat Leader of the Senate is a Mormon.
If Harry Reid has any integrity, at all, he will be one of the first to complain, should anti-Mormon bigotry become an issue.
By the way, libs, do you have any idea how many libs used to be “prolife”?
Jessie JacksonBill Clinton
many more.
Geez Republicans are easy to please.
Flipflop sellout Democrat b actors (Reagan), figurehead sons of idiots(bush), and life size Ken dolls (Romney) for leaders.
Somewhere, Teddy Roosevelt weeps.
J R, spare us all the drama, please! Do you even know what T. R. was all about? You don’t have a clue do you? He makes all modern day republicans look like flaming liberals!
I aggee outlander! When a politician changes his position on any issue to be more in line with my position it’s moral enlightenment.
If his position moves away from mine it’s a Flip/Flop!
If we nominate Romney the dems won’t have a chance!
Tall, good looking, easy smile. . .all the qualities the democrat women vote for!
Changing your position once in a lifetime is one thing.
Changing your postion contantly from day to day, that is HILLARY CLINTON!
What’s Hillary’s latest position on:
1. Iraq war?2. Illegal immigration?3. Iran?4. Social Security?5. Enforcing the mandate to purchase health insurance as part of HillaryCare!?6. Banning guns?7. 401k money from the government?8. $5,000 for every new baby?9. Whether she knew Hsu or not?10. Who exactly will see tax increases and how much, if she is President?11. Transparency in Government, especially her documents being kept secret in the National Archives.
Hank — good punch line !!
His response to the question about his sons and likening military service to them working his campaign for president was irritating to say the least —
MAX
What are you doing? I thought you were in Hillary’s purse. Another epiphany, saints be praised —- but who is it this week then ?
I want the next president to believe that the angel Maroni gave golden tablets for Joseph Smith to translate which he then hid in a barrel of beans until such time as he had translated them and the angel took the tablets back.
Anyone who believes that has the requisite level of irrationality to govern a country that would rather believe lies than fact.
“There can be NO DOUBT that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.” Dick “Hallibillions” Cheney
“He has ties to Al Qaeda.” Donald RumsFAILED
“We can’t wait for the final proof, the smoking gun, to be a mushroom cloud over an American city.” Worst. President. Ever.
“HEY! We’re made of CLAY!” Gumby.
Wait, that last one was true.
I had a bad day Ken, and lapsed into a one-day infatuation with Hillary.
I’m over it now.
Supporting:
1. Thompson2. Giuliani3. Romney4. Huckabee
Not a perfect group, but neither is the bunch of Libs on the Dem side.
Hard to find any flip flops in Thompson’s record though. Solid conservative voting record on:
- National defense.- Government spending.- Tax cuts.- Saving Social Security- Supporting the 2nd Amendment.- Education.
Thompson:http://www.issues2000.org/Fred_Thompson.htm
Check out YOUR candidate here:http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm
hey rfl?
Must be YOU doesn’t know much about Teddy Roosevelt.
Theodore Roosevelt was wisely for taxing the estates of the wealthy. He was also an environmental advocate and in favor of unions and workers rights.
That sorta stuff is like a cross to Dracula for Republicans these days.
TR knew where his party was going. That’s why he bailed.
Me too.
Oh and rfl?
i know what modern day Republicans like Romney are about.
Money. Getting it hoarding it and using it to have power over others.
The party TR bailed from, to form the Bull Moose Party, failed.
By the way, the Republican Party had not changed much, since Ronald Reagan.
In Kansas, we are finally starting to resemble Reagan policy, within the Party.
So, at least during my entire lifetime, the Party, and the Party Platform, have not changed.
Those who have left, in the last 30 years? They are the ones that changed.
Yes, I meant what I said. I am not a big Hoover fan.I am also a huge critique of FDR.
However, the Bull Moose Party failed, as well.
Yeah you and I both changed didn’t we econ?
I grew some integrity.
You sold yours.
The rich have no power over the poor.Republicans would like everyone to be rich.It is only the Democrats, as a Party, that benefit from poverty.
Wealthy people buy more.
Wealthy people invest more.
Wealthy people eat out more often.
Wealthy people travel more.
Why in the world would wealthy people want to limit the number of wealthy people?
I swear, some of you liberals think modern American society is like a clique-ish high school play ground.
Get over it!
Nobody cares where you have been, in this country. It is where you are going that counts.
Your money is as green as anyone else’s money.
Your ability to make money is as great as anyone elses ability.
Don’t say, with one breath, that you “decided not to make money” or “decided not to go into management” or “decided not to form your own business” or “decided not to go to college” and, in the next breath, tell us you resent those who decided to better themselves, and society.
Envy is a deadly sin.
Envy generates no positive benefits.
That can not be said of “greed”.
Greed, regulated by a just society, actually pays all of our bills.
Yeah if it were coming from some one more respectable pauliecon, some poor fools might even still believe you.
Plenty still do buy the general line of drivel you posted.
Being a conservative used to be about living mostly by your own rules.
Now it’s about knowing the rules and playing the game.
I don’t know Paul,
You might just be full of crap! (used the word ‘crap’ for Tom, he won’t have to form a rational thought now)
Greed is one of the seven deadly sins. It’s right up there with envy.
HankI am using the term “greed” in part, in jest.
In the stock market, we talk about “fear and greed” being the two forces at work, every day.
I happen to think, if you have to pick one or the other, greed is better than envy.
However, greed and envy can go together.
If you envy the lifestyle of another so much, you get dishonestly greedy? Well, that is a bad thing.
If you form your own company, follow the rules, but try hard to get rich? You have employed others, generated tax revenues and done a public good.
Ah the wealthy conspiracy again.
Has anyone looked at the median income in Kansas? Let’s get back to reality folks.
WowHillary looks terrible, in this Druge Pic:
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Oh, I know Paul.
I personnaly know a lot of wealthy, sucessful people. I wouldn’t classify any of them greedy.
For most of them money was merely a by product of their pursuit of other passions. Find a profession you love and work it with a passion and money seems to never be a problem.
A passionate pursuit of goals is not greed.
Paul – my issues with Romney have NOTHING to do with which version of Christian he is. They have to do with policies and flip-flops. Also, the fact that he DOES seem to have a ‘religion test’ to serve in his government.
A GREED
I mean
AGREED!
Ya know what is sad?
Reagan is the best the GOP has to long for.
HE is the standard against which all hopefuls are judged.
The party could evoke REAL leaders like Lincoln or Roosevelt.
But always the standard is Reagan.
Hey I voted for Reagan. He was an affable guy. Probably next to Bill Clinton Reagan was the greatest politician of his age.
But in reality? Reagan was a well spoken, kind hearted, dupe.
The former union leader who sold out his principles so his wife could have nice things. Of course, he didn’t see it that way. The folks who helped make him convinced him he had a epiphany. They wrote a role and Reagan stepped into it. As an actor, he lost himself in the part.
And that is what every Republican gets measured against and it only gets worse.
BenYou will be hard pressed to find a past President who has bent over backwards to “include” the atheists, or agnostics, every time he brought up faith.I think you might be overly sensitive.However, I understand your point.It was either Mona Charen or Peggy Noonan that said the same thing you just said, about Romneys speach.(The difference is, BOTH of them will be voting for Romney, I think!)
speak speechneed my spelling drills
lol
Hank – agreed as well. Many have become wealthy by building things. However, there are also those who have become wealthy only by manipulation. Some of those CEOs who cash in when they leave a failing company come to mind.
Greedy, who isn’t?
Get off your high horses if you think you are not!
GMC said it best many months ago, there is no better motivator for productive behavior then – money!
It’s human nature to want more.
Y’all telling me you don’t want more? Then you are not human.
You do, but some of you want someone else to work for it.
And you despise people that work harder then you who are more successful then you, why? Because they HAVE more then you.
Look in that mirror and then tell me you’ve never played the lottery. You’ve never shopped for a lower interest rate car loan or home loan. You’ve never shopped for a higher interest rate investment.
And I’ve never heard anyone more greedy then the Liberals holding their hands out saying: “Gimme, gimme, gimee”.
Get off your high horses.
(Econ, great photo on that link. Must be the morning-before make-up look. Scary, very scary. Leaflets of that photo dropped in Iraq would end the war immediately.)
Paul – my point was his railing against those people who might be described as ’secularists’. He was not only not inclusive but specifically stated they should be EXCLUDED. It sounded a lot like “non-Christians need not apply”
JR–
Excellent post.
Yup, that’s what the RepubliCONs have been reduced to: a friendly, smiling corporate shill for rapacious international capitalism.
There are no principles that really matter except to help the rich get richer.
The Christian Taliban get lip-serviced but the neo-CONs get the paydirt.
Ben you see that in folks who feel prejudice against themselves.
They try and shift the prejudice to someone else.
Or saying it another way…
“Don’t worry about me being a Morman! It’s the unbelievers you should worry about!”
Hey J R.
Those are not Democrat only positions by the way. What Republican does not support the national park system and preservation of our natural resources that TR initiated?
TR was vocal in in opposition to social issues like divorce and contraception. If he were president today, he would be a fanatical pro-lifer.
He also declared war on Spain while he was the secretary of the Navy (had no authority to do so). He vociferously railed on Wilson for not declaring war in Germany and entering WWI. He resisted Wilons attempts to “keep the peace”. His beligerence makes Bush look like a choir boy regarding Iraq.
TR felt like America was the greatest country on earth and personaly traveled with “The Great White Fleet” comprised of US warships around the globe to tout America’s strength and power.
TR was in favor of a strong executive branch and sought to stretch his power as president at every opportunity (like your favorite Bush).
No, J R, if TR were alive and active in politics today, he would oppose just about every one of the issues you hold most dear. So find another role model in history will ya?
We probably should exercise care in taking a historical figure and placing him or her in our present day.
Even a hundred years ago, the nation and the world were very different.
Teddy Roosevelts’ attitudes on wealth distribution and worker employer relations and the environment would not much be changed.
I’ll speculate he might have become a Green party member these days.
His take on geopolitics and social issues? That’s a tougher call.
I’ll tell you this. The first President to ever ride in an airplane would be on a crusade in favor of alternative energy I think.
In answer to questions about whether he would sign an assault weapons ban, Romney said: “Just as the president said, he would have, he would have signed that bill if it came to his desk, and so would have I. And, and, and yet I also was pleased to have the support of the NRA when I ran for governor. I sought it, I seek it now. I’d love to have their support.”
Later in the interview, he added the following:
“I just talked about, about guns. I told you what my position was, and what I, what I did as governor; the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA.”
The problem?
He was never endorsed by the NRAhttp://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/16/romney_claims_nra_endorsement.html?hpid=sec-politics
Well, at least it’s not a flip-flop.
It’s a damned lie!
Changing your postion contantly from day to day, that is HILLARY CLINTON!
What’s Hillary’s latest position on:
1. Iraq war?2. Illegal immigration?3. Iran?4. Social Security?5. Enforcing the mandate to purchase health insurance as part of HillaryCare!?6. Banning guns?7. 401k money from the government?8. $5,000 for every new baby?9. Whether she knew Hsu or not?10. Who exactly will see tax increases and how much, if she is President?11. Transparency in Government, especially her documents being kept secret in the National Archives.
Wow Paul!
Hillary does look bad! I mean even for Hillary she looks bad!
Maybe she just found out that BJ was dating again. . .or, maybe still dating. . .or, maybe the Slickster is dating more. . .or, more openly. . .oh, nevermind, that couldn’t be it. She hasn’t been personally involved with his sex life for years.
She probably just learned from her internal polls that she’s now trailing the Breck Girl in Iowa too!
She hasn’t been personally involved with his sex life for years.Posted by: Hank Price | December 17, 2007 at 01:18 PM
How would you know this, Hank? And is this related to the thread topic?
Freaking so-called “conservatives.” “Let’s not talk about the issues with Romney, let’s talk about BILL CLINTON!! BILL CLINTON!! and Hillary’s sex life!”
It would be funny if it wasn’t so disturbing.
Every topic criticizing a Democrat, turns into a Blame Bush Show.
Once in a while, it works the other way too.
So what?
If we wish to pursue this…
I notice that many, even most Republican women are of surpassing ugliness. This both in appearance and character.
They also seem to share a universal tendency toward a snooty, nasal voice come to think of it.
DNC Chair Caught in Global Crossing ScandalJW Investigates McCauliffe’s Link to Bankrupt Company
When Enron filed for bankruptcy, the largest in our nation’s history, Clinton crony Terry McAuliffe was among the first to cast his verbal stones. The DNC Chairman criticized greedy Enron executives for hurting the “small people,” calling for a full investigation. He lashed out at the wealthy special interests. He questioned the company’s ties to the Bush Administration. Armed with what he perceived to be a winning campaign issue against Republicans and their popular president, McAuliffe was relentless. Ironically, the Bush Administration’s cozy ties with Enron are subject to JW’s investigation.
So why has the Democratic Party’s most spotlight hungry mouthpiece faded from view? Two words. Global Crossing.
While the SEC and FBI begin to probe the questionable accounting practices of telecommunications giant Global Crossing, Ltd., which went belly up on January 28, Judicial Watch has launched a full investigation into Terry McAuliffe’s ties to the company.
In what is an unprecedented case of political profiteering, McAuliffe turned a $100,000 initial investment in the company into $18 million in less than a year and a half—a nifty 18,000% profit. According to the New York Times, McAuliffe made millions more trading the stock and options after the company went public in 1998.
http://www.happinessonline.org/InfectiousGreed/p18.htm
It never ceases to amaze be that the dems paint themselves as squeaky clean while painting the repubs as all corrupt. As this shows, it just isn’t so.
This was the money that was given to the Clintons to buy the house they needed for residency in New York – they weren’t residents there if you remember. Terry got his money the old fashion way – no he didn’t – he fleeced the investors in Global Crossing and nothing was ever made of it like Enron.
Just so no one becomes too smug in their own party.
Margaret Thatcher wasn’t exactly a centerfold model.
Ugly is a BFOQ for a woman who wants to be a politician.
So Hillary is qualified, for sure!
JR that could be because you don’t hang out with any republican women. Or they don’t hang out with you. Which is it. I will have to say I see dem and repubs that are quiet attractive. It’s only when they open their mouth that the differences begin to show.
I have to wonder if the Drudge picture isn’t ‘altered’ a bit.
I think you are right Ben.
Even Hillary can’t be THAT ugly.
I have seen some computer ‘age’ simulations done – especially to try to show people the effects of smoking and too much sun exposure. That picture reminded me of them.
Ok I wasn’t gonna look.
Drudge’s total lack of credibility and the deficiency in same of the poster who furnished the link ya know.
Couple of real slimeballs.
I’m glad I did look. Reaffirms the above.
That photo is very obviously retouched. It isn’t even a very good job of it.
Couldn’t ya just kiss right on da lips, JR?
Well this thread is not about Senator Clinton.
A certain juvenile and rather unsavory poster ….ok pauliecon…chose to take it that direction.
So be it.
I should read the Senators book. I’d be interested if her journey from Republican to Democrat was similar to mine.
In any case, Hillary Clinton has endured more attacks from more people for longer than anyone I can think of INCLUDING george bush.
And george bush EARNED every single bit of the hate going his way.
But I fail to see how Senator Clinton earned this treatment. I know it is fomented mostly by the vile bile spewed by talk radio. And I’m familiar with the cold heartless attitude behind it.
Like I say, I am a former Republican. The party was too nasty for me. I rather like being part of the human race.
In any case, Senator Clinton is certainly more tested under fire than any candidate for President has ever been or will likely ever be. That’s pretty good to have on your resume.
The GOP candidates have what?
Good points JR. I remember that the Clinton-hating began long before he even took office. On the other hand, there were at least some of us who hoped that the former governor of Texas, who had shown bipartisanship as governor, might have brought that to the White House. In fact, during the election of 2000 Al Gore was derided as ‘Bush Light’ by the Naderites. Bush was depicted as a moderate; not a right-winger.
It was only AFTER he took office that things got really sour.
The Republic party is energized and fueled by hate, whether it be directed at someone domestically, or against a foreign country.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so disturbing.
Posted by: Tom | December 17, 2007 at 01:21 PM
I think your shorts are too tight. Lighten up. If the BLOG is so disturbing maybe you should find something that requires less thought.
Hey J R , Ben,
The more I look at that picture the more I think you’re right. It may have been altered.
She’s still ugly. There’s only so much you can do by touching up her picture.
IF that photo is Hillary, then it has been photo shopped. Since her mother was campaigning with her and Chelsea over the weekend, my bet that is a picture of her Mother, and not of Hillary.
Makeup couldnt do THAT good of a job, if that is actually Hillary!!
I wish some of you would use both halves of your brain…
As for Drudge, he only started with half to begin with.
Hillary is good at flip flopping, she got lots of practice being married to slick willy.
She’s ugly where the camera can’t see!
The more I look at that picture the more I think you’re right. It may have been altered.
She’s still ugly. There’s only so much you can do by touching up her picture.Posted by: Hank Price | December 17, 2007 at 03:13 PM
Gosh Hank, I hope you weren’t staring at her picture too long. After several brewskys and at 2 am she’s still hideous. Beyond Coyote ugly even.
Make sure you use a mirror if you need to stare at her.
Humphrey was so ugly, even Nixon looked better by comparison. And y’all know the result.
You Dems should remember that next time you elect a nominee.
Double coyote ugly.
That’s when she’s so ugly you chew off the other arm to be sure it never happens again.
No thanks pauliecon.
I clicked your last link.
Lies and doctored pics I don’t waste my time on.
Shill.
It IS the appearance of the candidate, and their sound bites, that get them elected, along with the Party Name on the ballot.
If their appearance and Party Name were NOT the main reasons for voting for a candidate, then ONE Hillary supporter might be able to answer this:
Changing your position once in a lifetime is one thing.
Changing your postion contantly from day to day, that is HILLARY CLINTON!
What’s Hillary’s latest position on:
1. Iraq war?2. Illegal immigration?3. Iran?4. Social Security?5. Enforcing the mandate to purchase health insurance as part of HillaryCare!?6. Banning guns?7. 401k money from the government?8. $5,000 for every new baby?9. Whether she knew Hsu or not?10. Who exactly will see tax increases and how much, if she is President?11. Transparency in Government, especially her documents being kept secret in the National Archives.
Bottom Line: No Hillary supporter knows or cares about her changing positions on the issues.
Econ,
Romney tells Huck to apologize for bad mouthing Bush, you feel the same?
According to your Fox News 61.6% disapprove of Bush.
Econ, your 4:32 pm link is very scary. Most of these have to be true. They sound exactly like her.
These two quotes can be posted here I think. Saul Alinsky’s Social Controls is just dripping from the first comment. The 2nd comment shows Hillary’s true contempt for the intelligence of the American people:
“We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West.”
(From the book “I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan” by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 119 – During her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas)
“We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices…. Government has to make those choices for people”(From the book “I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan” by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 20 – Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)
Yeah you all on the right have your own problems without worrying about who our nominee is gonna be.
Huckabee just broke from and attacked bush. Called his foreign policy “bunker mentality”.
Like we didn’t see that coming.
And I JUST heard on Hannity allegations that Huckabee distributed anti Mormon literature at a rally in Utah some time ago…
I’ll have to dig into that. Most of Hannity’s callers are not terribly well informed. Still…
Huckabee has apologized and called “out of ignorance” his recent remarks about the church of latter day saints.
If what this caller said was true. The remarks were not made in ignorance.
That makes Huckabee a liar AND a bigot.
JR, there is hope for you yet.
Listening to both Rush and Hannity!
Days after anti-Mormon phone calls were first reported in New Hampshire and Iowa, the source behind the calls remains a mystery, causing speculation and infighting between the campaigns.
Even with evidence suggesting that, in a bit of political schadenfreude, Romney’s people may have undertaken the endeavor – in hopes of casting his Mormonism in a sympathetic light – focus has shifted to the other GOP candidates.
One name increasingly thrown around among Republican insiders is the guy nipping at Romney’s heels in the Iowa polls: former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.
“Who has the most to gain by this,” one operative told the Huffington Post. “It’s Huckabee. If Romney were to fall he would be the conservative option to Rudy Giuliani.”
A source with another Republican presidential campaign added fuel to the fire by pointing out that the Huckabee’s statement on the matter – “The Huckabee campaign does not condone this type of activity” – isn’t exactly an “outright” denial.
Many, on this Blog, have said bigoted things about the Mormon faith.Some of those same people are now calling Huckabee a “bigot” for saying the same thing?
I have theological differences with Mormons.So what?
They are some of the most honest, hardworking people I have ever met.
From the book “I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan” by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 20 – Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)
Posted by: Max
Do you have a corroborating source for that, Max.
Another bogus hit-piece on everything Clinton isn’t my idea of reliable . . .
CapnHillary does treat “the help” horribly.Do you deny that contention?
I’m equal opportunity critical of the faithful there pauliecon.
I respect for but hold my fire on none of them.
I aint running for President.
Oh and also I’m not a hypocrite or a liar.
IF Huckabee is conducting a smear campaign against Romney based on Romney’s Mormon faith, he is both.
That said? I don’t think the Mormon faith is anymore “out there” than the other versions of faith.
It is just less well known.
Romney is running from his faith for that reason.
From the book “I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan” by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 20 – Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)
Posted by: Max
Do you have a corroborating source for that, Max.
Another bogus hit-piece on everything Clinton isn’t my idea of reliable . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 17, 2007 at 05:33 PM
Another DUH moment Capn. The source is in the text from me, that you copied!
Read much?
I aint running for President.
Posted by: J R | December 17, 2007 at 06:16 PM
And I’m sure I’m not the only one who is severely dissapointed, saddened, and shocked by this statement.
It’s a loss for the entire country, I’m sure. Maybe in 2012 there will be some hope.
“”"Romney has changed positions, but at least in my view, for the better. We are fortunate to have this experienced, accomplished man, successful in business and politics, untouched by scandal, running for the Republican nomination.
Republicans need to get over the Mormon concerns. It’s 2007.”"”
That is the statement of the night! The Republicans need to get over LOTS of things! It ain’t 1932 and we ain’t going back there!
“We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West.”
(From the book “I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan” by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 119 – During her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas)=========================
Ummm MAX???
I would wager that if you read through 200 commencement addresses in just about any year for the past 100+ years, you would find a statement almost exactly like the one you pull out of Hillary’s “Commencement” address in what year??? 1993???
I have given commencement speeches and used that sort of a line… not exactly those verbatim words, but close enough!! That is ALWAYS a theme of commencement addresses!!
Good grief!! Can you get any more PICKY???
I’ll take your bet Chas. $100.
Find it.
If you can’t, we’ll discuss payment terms.
May involve 50 $2-beers for me and several friends. :>)
To qualify the above Chas -
Presidential Commencement Addresses.
Thank you.
That is all.
HILLARY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVING A PRESIDENTIAL COMMENCEMENT ADDRESS!!
Max?
We ARE at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West.
Energy issues, the growing gap between the very rich few and the very many poor?
Hello?
Ummm Max — One other little problem?? There ARE NO such things as a Presidential Commencement Address… You might want to back off of your bet!!
You will lose!!
Ok Chas, then I win. There is no Presidential Commencement address where you can find such a quote.
Go for any President’s speech then.
Oh, and Hillary is running for President Chas.
So it is fair to ask if any former President actually said something as stupid as what Hillary said.
SINCE HILLARY THINKS SHE IS PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL!!!!!
She appears to me to be nothing but a Saul Alinsky Socialist.
Ya gotta ask your self, when she is talking about remolding society, ya gotta ask your self two questions:
1) What gives her the authoritive expertise to be able to dictate to us?
2) What is she planning on molding us in to? Her image?
“We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West.”
Max, READ PLEASE — I didnt SAY a President had ever said such a thing!! Good Grief, man, at least try to pay attention!!
I SAID that there are all kinds of Commencement speeches given EVERY YEAR that have that same theme of remolding the world!
They are given at High Schools, and Colleges/Universities, and Graduate Schools all over the Country!!
C’mon Max… Get your brain on the right page with YOUR Hillary Quote!! Please??
Here is YOUR cut/paste quote, Max…. Please READ what kind of speech this is lifted from >>>
“We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West.”
(From the book “I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan” by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 119 – During her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas)
GET IT NOW???
And stop spinning, you are getting dizzy!!
Please also take note of the YEAR of that Commencement Address — 1993…. The very year that the EU was formalized…
“In 1993, the Maastricht Treaty established the current legal framework.” (Wiki)
And it was just six years before the introduction of the Euro, as a monetary unit…
You better believe there were all kinds of challenges facing that graduating class, AND the West, in 1993 — And we are still seeing only the beginning of the challenges of just the EU, and all that it means to the world economy, and to some extent politics..
So, dont even TRY to say her speech is irrelevant, and without any merit… The WORLD was saying that same thing back in 1993!!
Where were you in 1993, Max??
If you want to put a 1993 speech into a WORLD context Chas, Eastern Europe was in year #4 of changing from a Communist Dictatorship to a Capitalist Democracy.
These countries had seen for 50 or more years what happens when the government completely controls the people.
They were embracing new found freedom.
The West was already free at that time Chas, so how do you think Hillary was saying the West should be molded?
At the risk of Max snapping at me.
You are being overly simplistic in your concept of “the west” Max.
Too? The “free” market has not worked out so well in post Soviet states. The power was just adjusted from those who had it to those who could get it.
Max, if you cant see it, it would be hopeless to try to explain it to you!! Sorry, but I am not playing your little game tonite!! There are other items of greater importance, than to argue with someone who just cant even read the words in front of his own eyes, and instead interjects OTHER themes, and situations!!
As JR pointed out, the “free market” thing has not worked out as good as many post-soviet countries had hoped.. But it does take time!!
And once again, I have said NOTHING about government having total control… AND… neither does Hillary.. in HER COMMENCEMENT ADDRESS!!! (You know, that thing you were so damned sure you knew what it was, but you didnt??)
BTW, in case you might have forgotten, the USA is also part of the West, last time I checked the map… And furthermore, most any commencement address of that year, 1993, would have had several lines about the challenges facing the graduates, as part of our freedom loving Western world!! And no, I am not going to try to find a laundry list of commencement speeches… But, you know as well as I do, that there are dozens of them… hundreds of them… But, that wouldnt matter to you, because you have already disagreed with the speeches, that you havent even read!! LOL Max, you are a unique work of art!!
“…50 or more years…” [Max]
Ummm… try more like 500 or more years, Max… WAY back in history in most all of Europe, except for a brief time in ancient Greece.
Sheep are easily fooled.