The legal challenge to the 2004 law allowing some illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at Kansas public universities and colleges hit the wall last week when the federal appeals court in Denver denied a request that the full court rehear the case. This decision again hinges on the lack of legal standing of the out-of-state plaintiffs to challenge the law because they didn’t face “concrete and imminent†injury.
But the law remains a modest and humane recognition that capable illegal immigrant kids — brought to this state by their parents — ought to have the same shot at college as their fellow Kansas high school graduates. When they better themselves by going to college, Kansas benefits, too.
Posted by Rhonda Holman
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It’s a shame we have tuition at all. Perhaps if we didn’t spend billions on building bombs to kill we could spend that money on education like many other countries that provide free education do.
Doug: How about this idea. Do away with “out-of-state-tuition.” Encourage all students from what ever country who wish to enroll in Kansas schools. After all, our colleges are an industry in a sense and are one thing we generally do right in Kansas. State colleges and universities should give prefence to Kansas residents but no need to charge the extra fees unless some additional service is required in the enrollment process.
One of the best things Kansas could do towards world peace is to encourage students from all over the world to enroll in our Kansas schools and show them real Americana in practice.
In Scotland, university is free.
Yes one of the 9-11 highjackers was enrolled at WSU, that certainly put that school on the map.Sorry but there has to be a line in the sand, there is just something about giving a break to those that are not law abiding citizen just because they happen to evade detection. Feels like giving the burglar the keys to the neighbor’s house because he managed to not get caught in yours.
Yeah there are a lot of people that have gone to college in the U.S. to learn how to be a terrorist like Osama Bin Laden and George W. Bush.
ter•ror•ism ( tµr“…-r¹z”…m) n. 1. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
The opposition I have to AMNESTIES for ILLEGAL ALIENS (calling them imigrants is an insult to all LEGAL Imigrants) is the chain migration factors. We need to end the Chain migration, including ANCHOR BABIES prior to addressing the fate of ILLEGAL ALIENS already here in our country.
In the great AMNESTY of 1986 2,700,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS were give the opportunity to become LEGAL. Most took it.
NOW, 21 years later the number of ILLEGAL ALIENS is TEN TIMES THE PROBLEM IT WAS IN 1986.
It’s unfortunate that these children were put in this position by their parents, but IT IS BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS CHOSE TO BREAK OUR LAWS that they are here.
Why give ILLEGAL ALEINS opportunities we don’t give our own legal children???
This law needs to be changed and tough penalties levied against the EMPLOYERS and others who continue to use the MAGNETS to draw more ALIENS ILLEGALLY!!
Rhonda,It most assuredly does not help Kansas. While I can quickly grasp the benefit side of the equation in having educated people in Kansas that doesn’t equal the many problems. Kansas now becomes a magnet for ever increasing numbers of illegals coming to take advantage of our educational system. Illegals are already loading up our K-12 schools, putting a financial drain on the taxpayer, straining resources, dumbing down the schools with all the time spent on learning English, costing millions in other welfare costs, and increasing crime in our communities, etc.What is not fair is that my grandkids, who live in another state, can not come to Kansas and pay in-state tuition, though of course I am a Kansas taxpayer, while illegals can, many who aren’t paying their fair share of taxes.Why should I respect he law when when we give a ‘wink and a nod’ to something so fundamental as illegal immigration law and give an education to those not fairly supporting the system.
It’s bad enough that legal taxpayers must support illegal kids through high school, why should we be forced to pay higher taxes to support them through college, also?
The parents of the illegal kid should be charged for the entire tuition bill.
Every Kansas legislator who vote for this law in 2004 should have their name published on the front page of the Eagle. TYhey would never be re-elected. This very wrong law encourges illegal aliens to come to KANSAS.
WOW Rhonda,
Awful generous there with MY money.
Oh I’m sorry, I meant my 25000 in school loans. My 10 hour days working hard to make a comfortable living so that I can live out my days and provide for my family. My hard work and education shouldn’t do anything for me, I’m just the one footing the bill for how many???
Well Rhonda, when I see you in a homeless shelter and working 12 hour days and giving all of your hard work away, then maybe you have a right to decide how my money should be spent.
What this bill does is give kids who live in this state and have attended high school in this state, in-state tuition. To me it makes sense, they do live here and their parents do pay taxes here. Although they can’t get the benefit of some of those taxes (social security and medicare) they do pay them.
One women mentioned her grandchildren who live in other states can’t get in-state tuition. Duh- they don’t live in Kansas, they didn’t attend high school here. If they lived here and went to high school here, they could get in-state tuition.
Would I prefer that every one living in Kansas was a legal resident? Yes, I would. Do I think that children who have grown up here, attended school for years here (required by the law) and want to attend college should have to pay out of state tuition, no it just reeks of prejudice and hate monkering to me.
The idea that out of State fees apply is a ludicrous notion anyway.
It could probably be challenged and defeated in court for several reasons.
(1) If a State University accepts any Federal monies.
(2) In in the state of prospective education: Goods or services were ever purchased by prospective students or the transport of said goods and services occurred in the said state.(3) Exchange of fees or services are made from a university of one state to a university of said state.(4)Student is listed on any property listing for the prospective state.(5) Contribution or financial support is paid to the prospective university at any time or portion of time in the student’s lifetime.(i.e. went to first through sixth grade in Kansas – indicating resident status)
And so on and so forth.
I don’t see how our courts can justify students who have illegal aliens as parents. Just what part of “illegal” does our judicial system not understand?
Rhonda?
Are you an American even?
Let’s allow Mexicans to flee and not fix their own country.
So they can come here to be exploited.
So they can take the working class jobs from Americans.
Hey let’s take a step further. Let’s let the kids of the invasion force go to college so they can take the white collar jobs TOO!
Wink,”One of the best things Kansas could do towards world peace is to encourage students from all over the world to enroll in our Kansas schools and show them real Americana in practice.”
Are you sure that’s such a good idea, given all the “real Americana” demonstrated by Kansans in the posts following yours?
You are so funny, Jed. I’m sure you have absolutely no problem with being forced to pay higher and higher taxes to support those who shouldn’t even be here…or could it be that you don’t pay taxes? I suppose it could even be that you are supported by hard-working people in whichever state you live! That would explain your snide attitude towards those who have no choice but to fork over hard-earned cash to support those our government chooses to coddle.
Mom of 5, you say they shouldn’t be here but it’s Americans who are hiring them to pick tomatoes, clean mansions of Mormon politicians, and tidy up your hotel room after an affair with a co-worker. So if you don’t want them here stop giving them jobs.
The in-state tuition is a non-issue as there is no rash of people illegally flooding over the border to go to college in Kansas.
why should PARENTS (not just the child) benefit from “in-state tuition” for their illegal status? aren’t parents the ones who usually pay for college – seems to me the parents benefit just as much as their children do.
Every time ILLEGAL aliens are mentioned I see the same thing. Tremendous response from the SILENT MAJORITY that wants imigration controlled. Controlled, not eleminated.
After the disaster of the 1986 AMNESTY which caused manyt more to come ILLEGALLY we need to fix the security of our borders and make sure imigration is legal before dealing with the feel good issuses that are a result of our lack of will.
We have laws in place dealing with ILLEGAL ALEINS, and we have laws in place with proper procedures for LEGAL IMIGRATION. WHY ARE’NT THE CURRENT LAWS BEING ENFORCED????
We do need stronger laws penalizing those who hire ILLEGAL ALEINS.
We have e-verify in place and operating now which will allow employers to verify almost instantly whether the workers they hire are legal or not.
We need measures such as the SAVE act, which is now in the US HOUSE OF REPRESENATIVES and US SENATE. These bills would force in a four year phase in, all employers to verify new and current employees through this system.
Take a look at Arizona and Oklahoma as two examples of states who have passeed legislation which would severely penalize employers for hiring illegal workers.
We need to petition our local and state represenatives to make changes.
Yes … I say that we should educate the children of illegal aliens in Kansas. And when they have completed their undergraduate work, we send them back to where they or their parents came from so they can make that place a better place to live and can provide educational or professional services to that population.
Yes, I totally agree. Those 5 year olds who snuck across the border with their parents, they need to be PUNISHED! Rather than being able to afford to attend college after attending school immersed in American culture and the English language, they should take their high school degrees and get a construction or nanny job, or be deported to a country they are totally unfamiliar with!
After all, its better for us that these kids are deprived of a chance for a good education. Those damn Mexicans should either be our manual laborers or stuck in the slums of Mexico. I don’t give a **** if this is the only country they’ve ever known, their parents broke the law and so the kids should pay for it!
Sins of the father, and all.
There are no obvious solutions here. It is in Kansas’s interest to have more well educated residents, including immigrants, who have good jobs and pay commensurate taxes, and have more money to spend in the local economy.
In essence illegal residents will contribute to Kansas and eventually pay back their education costs–at least if they settle here after graduation.
The problem is–this happened a century ago–large tides of immigrants, whether legal or illegal stress social systems, because such systems must be expanded, but the immigrants aren’t able to pay for their expansion.
We could say that employers of immigrants should pay for the services expansion, which was done a century ago. For example, big steel, coal, railroad, timber and mining corporations hired doctors for their workers and built infirmaries and hospitals. In timber and mining “company towns” employers owned stores and made sure workers had enough to eat. The kids went to public schools funded by the employers.
But who in the corporate world is doing this today on behalf of their immigrant workers? The employers are foisting education and healthcare costs onto government simultaneous to strategically minimizing their own tax payments to government.
Giving in-state tuition is a social benefit. Actual costs budgeted for instruction generally exceed public-institution tuition and fees by 150 to 200%, which is to say instructional costs are partially paid by students (and their parents) and partially paid by all taxpayers.
These payers include adult working illegal immigrants, but they receive other social services, such as police and fire protection, roads to drive on, K-12 benefits and healthcare, so it is far from demonstrable that their tax payments would cover the higher education costs of even a relatively small percentage of young immigrants who elect to attend college or university.
If we consider the matter of subsidization, a reasonable argument can be made that greater subsidization should be made to working class Kansas citizen students than is currently done, before extending subsidization to illegal immigrants. For example, suppose immigrant Elena G gets, via taxpayer-funded tuition subsidization, a $2000 benefit. How about instead giving $2000 to Jeremy S, whose family has been in Kansas for three generations, and has 3 kids, whom it cannot afford to send all to college?
Which choice is fairer?
We must bear in mind that colleges and universities’ current operational costs don’t include past legacy investments in their facilities’ construction. We have university buildings that are many decades old. These were paid for by past generations of Kansans, many of whose descendants live here today.
These descendents arguably deserve a share of the investment value contributed by their forebears, rather than transferring the value, via legislative fiat, to immigrants whose forebears didn’t make these investments, as they were living in other countries.
We might consider something like instate tuition subsidization for community college attendance for illegal immigrants, where operational costs are lower, but full-instructional-cost tuition for university attendance.
Immigrants could get useful first-stage college education sufficient to gain white collar employment, then they could work on bachelor’s at their own cost, over an extended period.
Perhaps immigrants’ employers should provide scholarship money to their employees’ children, or be required to pay education-tax surcharges. They get cheap labor, but they can’t expect the rest of society to pay for their employees’ and families’ social services costs, just so that these employers can pocket higher profits.
In any case, as things currently stand, I don’t think the proposition can be morally justified: “Your family has been here for generations, they’ve paid for Kansas’s higher public education infrastructure, but we’re transferring your family’s contributed benefit from you to people who arrived 5 years ago, illegally.”
The positive consequence of Kansas taxpayers’ helping immigrant children receive higher education is indisputable. It is the negative consequence to Kansas-citizen students whose parents are not affluent enough to afford college/university costs that must be taken fully into account, which thus far it hasn’t been.
Consider people like JR for example. If an immigrant’s subsidy was paid instead to JR’s son as a needs-based scholarship, and if this made the difference between his being able to go to college, versus not, or say earning a bachelor’s degree in 4-6 years rather working a lowish-paying job and attending WSU part-time for 8-10 years, wouldn’t this scholarship benefit not only JR’s son, but Kansas and Wichita as well by enabling JR’s son to earn more money, make higher tax payments and have more money to spend, thus helping the local economy?
Are there any actual cases of illegal immigrants getting in-state tuition? I would figure the last thing someone would want would be to make themselves known in order to risk deportation. Nobody is going to spend thousands in tuition just to get deported half way through the semester. Or is this just some issue the Republicans are dragging up so they don’t have to focus on real issues?
“If an immigrant’s subsidy was paid instead to JR’s son as a needs-based scholarship….”
But JR’s son can already get FREE TUITION if JR’s income is low enough. Federal financial aid makes going to college affordable for low-income students.
When I turned 23, my remaining semesters of my undergraduate were completely covered, including on-campus housing and books, since I only had my income to declare. Pretty much free, even for an out-of-state student like me. Low income students get this benefit right from the beginning.
This is just another “feel good” solution to the real problem.
First Secure our borders and make it ecomomically unaffordable for employers to employ ILLEGAL ALIENS.
I’m not as concerned with fixing some of the current issues as I am with making sure we don’t make the same mistakes we made afte the great AMNESTY of 1986, which was touted as THE solution to the ILLEGAL ALIEN SUBCULTURE we had then and have seen REPEATED.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES WE MADE IN THE PAST? 1986 2.7 million Illegals.now, 15m – who knows how many.
Are we really this stupid?
“Are we really this stupid?”
Well every Republican presidential candidate supports increased illegal immigration. Since they’ll probably win Kansas I can safely say, yes, Kansans are that stupid.
Cheri,My grandchildren live in the U.S. legally, as opposed to illegally. Why should I, as the person funding their Kansas 529 College Education Plan, living in Kansas, have to pay out of state tuition when illegals get to pay instate tuition. No…It’s not fair. My tax dollars are going to support state schools that are educating illegals. Maybe we should start evading taxes so as to not support and promote illegal alien invasion, and that’s what it is.I don’t want to punish anyone, I want to discourage illegal immigration and giving away a college education at instate rates is wrong. The Eagle published the story of a Mexican in Garden City and now Manhattan that is attending KSU on a scholarship. Stupid!!!
Meant to say an illegal alien Mexican attending KSU on a scholarship.
“The Eagle published the story of a Mexican in Garden City and now Manhattan that is attending KSU on a scholarship. Stupid!!!”
Like Rhodes scholarships so Americans can study in England? Or about foreign exchange student programs?
All the presidential canadates are weak supporter of real imigration reform.
Why, when poll after poll indicates that over 70% of americans are for securing our borders and reducing ILLEGAL ALEINS?? (not to be confused with LEGAL imigrants)
Doug, this illegal Mexican is no Rhodes Scholar, far from it reading what he says. I have to give him this though, from what I’ve read out of you this illegal is considerably brighter. Maybe you should go back to school. Sorry, I don’t know what got into me, I just have little patience for ignorance when the ignorant is also so politically socialistic.
How is someone an “illegal Mexican”? Who is this “illegal Mexican” that you are talking about?
BTW, I figured the person wasn’t a Rhodes scholar since you clearly stated this person wasn’t studying in England. Some days I wonder why I have to mention things so obvious.
Sins of the father, and all.
Posted by: Tara | December 24, 2007 at 12:23 PM
Hmmm. . .it seems your families “papers” are not in order, ma’am! You certainly LOOK like a foreigner. . . .to Gitmo for you!
I would give Tara credit for the most intelligent comment on this thread, but that’s not saying much.
Money talks when it comes the Presidental canadates of BOTH parties.
ILLEGAL ALEINS are a source of cheap labor. They work hard, they are paid less, without benefits, without withholding taxes etc.
They are the MODERN DAY SLAVE LABORER of the upper class.
This will never change until we ELEMENATE the Magnets which draw them here in the first place. (jobs, free health care, reduced tuition etc.)
Magnets draw more ILLEGAL ALIENS.
We must stop the flow before fixing what is inside.
AMNESTY has the same effect on illegal population as opening all the doors and windows to your house, setting your thermostat at 80 degrees and then…………….wondering why it’s so cold in your house????????
“Well every Republican presidential candidate supports increased illegal immigration. Since they’ll probably win Kansas I can safely say, yes, Kansans are that stupid.
Posted by: Doug | December 24, 2007 at 12:38 PM ”
You might be right, but not only of Kansans but MOST AMERICANS. Democrats are even weaker on imigration.
WHY is this when over 70+% of americans nationwid want border security and controlled imigration?? Who is listening???
The Democratic candidates are the only ones talking about changing NAFTA which was the main cause of the increase in illegal immigration. The Republican solution was to just build a third fence despite the fact that the majority of illegal immigrants got into America legally and a fence did nothing to stop that.
I don’t favor illegal immigration. The question is: what do you do about it?
Unfortunately, what I see here is the typical nutso ranting about it. Incidently, no slight to Doug and MPS in my previous observation about the level of intelligence here.
Doug raised a crucial point: there is illegal immigration, but the ranters seem to believe in illegal people, as if the offense attaches to their very being.
Living in Tucson, I’ve heard views that run the spectrum: everything from open-the-border radicals to nutjobs who think they’re trying to reclaim the lost territories.
I think, if we have any hope of producing intelligent, humane solutions, taking the prejudice out the equation is a must. Pretend, for a moment, they’re Canadians. If you’re still comfortable with your position, we’ll go from there.
P.S. Did you Arizona requires one to obtain an Arizona driver’s license within a short period of time. I didn’t do that. For entirely too long, I was living in Arizona illegally, undocumented–just another damn “wheatback.” :)
So what are they going to do after they get that great education? Go back to Mexico and apply their learned skills there? They can’t go to work here because we are going to fine and lock-up employers that hire illegals. I understand the whole education focus for future workers thing, but we can’t hire the people whose educations we just subsidized. I don’t get it – can someone help me out on this one?
Lots of people want better border enforcement. Rhonda, and some thinking people, realize that it is good for Kansas if kids who grow up here go to college, even if their parents broke one law 20 years ago. Nobody is saying they should get free tuition, just the same tuition as their classmates from Kansas high schools. The rage and hatred for innocent kids who are simply trying to make a better life for themselves is a terrible disappointment. I thought we were a better society than this, but I guess not. Everybody is in a contest to see how mean-spirited, hostile, nativist and anti-immigrant they can be.
Doug,Here is the link to the story of the illegal Mexican going to school on scholarship to KSU, and by the way, driving without a license, even after four citations.
Link: http://www.kansas.com/news/state/story/237070.html
Manuel Gomez, a student at Kansas State University, said he was concerned about the law because he is not a citizen and has no license.
Gomez said he would previously drive home to Garden City to see his family. Now, with four citations under his belt, he said he was afraid of going to jail.
“I missed my little sister’s birthday for the first time in 11 years,” he said. “I could have up to six months in jail. There would go my scholarship, my school, my grades.”
I mean what the devil is going on here? An illegal Mexican still out on the street driving with no license and four citations. And, he’s got a scholarship we are paying for. As I said previously, this is insanity. This guy, as is the case with anyone ‘illegal’, has no respect for the law by definition.
BTW, I too realized he wasn’t a Rhodes Scholar, mine was a figure of speech indicating he wasn’t that bright, like some of the folks on this blog. “Some days I wonder why I have to mention things so obvious.”
Tara, maybe things are generous in Hawaii, but in most states, students’ parents fill out a FISA form which is used to determine how much parents can “afford” to pay. So, for example, a single parent making more than twice the poverty-level adjusted income would be expected to pay something.
Moreover, in most states, colleges and universities expect students to make monetary contributions from their jobs (summer, work-study). There are federal Pell Grants, but not sufficiently funded to provide aid to everyone who is qualified to receive it according to their parents’ FISA declarations. I got a full public university tuition state grant that was part state money, part federal Pell Grant money. Actually it covered a private university’s moderate-level tuition. The government funding just isn’t what it used to be.
Federally-guaranteed loans are available, but most are at above-prime rates. I received student loans, provided by a bank, but with a federal interest subsidy: IIRC correctly, the government paid the entire interest charge until I graduated, so that no interest accrued, and thereafter the interest I had to pay was below prime rate. That program is very limited now (NDSL loan program).
We also have the severe problem of poor high school education, which is “free”, but forces huge numbers of students to take remedial coursework in college at their own expense, such as “college algebra” for students who have gotten B-B+s in Algebra II in high school, and often even Algebra III/trig. At KSU for example, if you score a 26 on ACT-Math (on a 0-36 scale), you’re exempted from the college algebra requirement, but unfortunately, KSU freshmen’s ACT-M median is 23, which is to say, ca. 70-75% of KSU freshmen have to retake high school algebra, and these are Kansas’s better-performing high school students (e.g. B-B+ hs math GPAs).
KSU English 100 Expository Writing is what used to be 10th-grade-level college-prep- track English composition. This isn’t at a community college but at Kansas’s second-ranked university.
At flagship KU, students have to take THREE semesters of English, to address their deficiencies (with an expectation of higher ultimate literacy than at any other Kansas university).
In both of these universities, graduation rates are rising, but haven’t yet hit 60%: 4 out of 10 students don’t make it. I’ve talked with young people who were led to believe, “You’re prepared for KSU (or KU), you’ve got well-above qualified-admissions grades and ACT scores.” Then they found out they were seriously misled by guidance counselors and inflated grades.
A provision of the law you all seem to be ignoring… to be eligible, the student has to have applied, and making “satisfactory progress toward becoming a citizen” in their own right.
A provision of the law you all seem to be ignoring… to be eligible, the student has to have applied, and making “satisfactory progress toward becoming a citizen” in their own right.
Posted by: mrcontroversy | December 24, 2007 at 05:03 PM
Sounds like a good plan for the country of Mexico, why don’t they pass it there? :)
Sure, let’s give all the good opportunities to the illegals and out of state people, and ignore the legal and instate students. If this is such a great idea, put it to a vote in the state. If it is such a good idea, then the people of Kansas will vote overwhelmingly for it. This is a load of crap. I think we should have a special tax that the taxpayers of Kansas have to pay for to give these kids an education. How about another tax to give them a house, a car, etc. We shouldn’t hold them back just because their parents brought them here. To take another headline, the American dream is rigged. But of course it’s our own fault for laying down when this crap happens. This is another example of what the ruling mass thinks of those they rule. Weak, backstabbing leadership makes weak, backstabbing decisions. Merry Christmas.
Hey Rhonda, tote that party line.
“A provision of the law you all seem to be ignoring… to be eligible, the student has to have applied, and making “satisfactory progress toward becoming a citizen” in their own right.”Posted by: mrcontroversy
Nay, nay, not ignoring. There are no teeth to that requirement. All anyone has to do is start the process, document that and drop out. There is no follow up to see that the person is actually doing what is necessary to become a citizen. But so what…why are they receiving taxpayer benefits before they are legal citizens.
“Illegal immigrants ’self deport’ as woes mount”Drudge:http: //www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews/idUSN2126758320071224?feedType=RSS&feedName=inDepthNews&rpc=22&sp=true
“…are among a growing number of illegal immigrants across the United States who are starting to pack their bags and move on as a crackdown on undocumented immigrants widens and the U.S. economy slows, turning a traditional Christmas trek home into a one-way trip.In the past year, U.S. immigration police have stepped up workplace sweeps across the country and teamed up with a growing number of local forces to train officers to enforce immigration laws.”Kansas, of course, remains a ’sanctuary’ for illegals with instate tuition as well as many other entitlements.
Lets try the link again:
…illegals ’self deport’ as woes mount
http://www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews/idUSN2126758320071224?feedType=RSS&feedName=inDepthNews&rpc=22&sp=true
The only-est reason there are “illegal” immigrants in America is that Americans hire them *illegally.*
I looked up the scholarships for you AgHawk. One is a scholarship for Latino Immigrants given by a fraternity, the other is a memorial fund which isn’t state funded. The total is $2500 and none of it was through your tax money.
So it looks like you can stop your whining now about this great injustice that was never done to you.
Doug,Link to that information, or are you expecting everyone to accept that.I’m not saying it isn’t true, it simply doesn’t weigh much in this discussion without documentation of accuracy. And we are paying, we are supporting the school with our taxes if not those specific dollars you site.The fact remains he is in the country illegally and is driving with no license after four citations. He should not be here, he should not be attending a tax supported school and he should have been picked up and deported with the first traffic citation.
Here ya’ go:http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/lists/0708/scholarshipf.html
The issue about driver licenses for illegals was brought up and the conservatives thought it absurd that they should be allowed to have driver’s licenses. So the fact he doesn’t have one is moot since that’s what was wanted. Are you arguing that they should be allowed to get driver’s licenses so they won’t be driving illegally?
Maybe I’m funny that way, but a person’s pedigree doesn’t seem nearly as important as his/her talent. What do we as a society get by offering affordable education? We get people who may actually solve some of the numerous problems that face us. Where they were born and how they got here, what racial heritage they may have, what religion they practice, what gender or orientation they are are distinctions that we can’t afford if we want to keep living in this world. The more talented people we can educate, the more likely solutions can be found to the myriad of ills that are parked on our dorrstep. Leave the kid alone!
I think that ALL states should do away with in state and out of state tuition. We should have a system where everybody pays the same everywhere. If your child wishes to attened UGA where I live, you should pay what a resident of Georgia pays and if mine wants to attend KU, the same. If they wish to give a preference for admission to state residents, that is fine but everybody should pay the same.
We really need to stop bashing the Mexican kids and let them go to college if they have earned that right through good grades. Some people wish to penalize the Mexican children who are here through no fault of their own. In many cases they were brought here as little children by their parents. We need to support the Mexican kids and encourage them to stay in school. Too many of them drop out now as it is and if we bar them from college even more of them will drop out and end up in dead end jobs or in gangs and crime.
Provided by Doug:Manuel Gomez, $2000 Memorial Scholarship Fund and $500 Sigma Lambda Beta:Good work! I don’t mean to give you a back-handed complement but I really didn’t think such a liberal would bother with facts if it got in the way of what they want, at least thats been my consistent experience. I owe you a nod.And this may, in your opinion of course, be grasping at straws but even if that scholarship money didn’t come from the taxpayer it is far to little to get him very far and he is still paying in-state tuition as an illegal alien, taking up class space that should be used by a U.S. citizen. Also, those scholarship dollars could have gone to a U.S. citizen if not given to an alien. Look, I don’t wish the kid harm, I simply feel strongly if we encourage illegal entry into the U.S. we will in fact accomplish that goal, much to our detriment.I don’t in anyway feel I need to defend my position of enforcing our driving laws, and this kid is breaking them as if they didn’t exist. That needs to stop, either by jail, deportation or preferably both. Not simply to be tough on him but to set an example of the futility of illegal entry into this country.