“It turns out the guitar-strumming, good-humored populist has never met a present he didn’t want,†New York Times columnist Gail Collins wrote. “Huckabee managed to pile up $112,000 in freebies in a single year as governor.†Collins also noted: “Wedding gifts are exempt from ethics restrictions in Arkansas, and when Mike left office, the Huckabees — who have been married for more than 30 years — were signed up on the Target wedding registry so fans could help furnish their new 7,000-square-foot home.â€
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Hey, the Right Govermor Huckabee was just offering an opportunity for those friends who didn’t need political favors 30 years ago. Unlike Giuliani, he found a way to give them that chance without having to pay for new weddings. You have to admire such creative thinking!
Only a Repub could come up with that scheme top get freebies. Pray for them, Huckabee.
Huckabee is another – ‘do as I say and not as I do’ kind of guy. And he calls himself different?
Congratulations Phillip!
Like a good little liberal you are helping the NYT to disseminate their vacuous, left wing propaganda.
In all fairness, you don’t have to be too bright to be an op-ed contributor to the NYT and Gail Collins fits the requirements. All you have to do is take the lead from Hillary’s whack-a-mole campaign style. No facts or substance required.
None of the gifts that Huckabee received as governor violated any laws or ethics rules. Governors of any state receive many gifts, some substantial and some merely symbolic.
Unlike our present governor Huckabee was never fined for violation of state ethics laws.
There you go again Hank…………..support anything a memeber of the republic party does.
……………..and you say I am driven by ideology.
What a hypocrite.
Good morning Apophis!
I trust you had a peaceful and restful sleep!
Would you care to engage in meaningful political discourse or do you merely want to continue your opening shot of vacuous nitwitery?
“In all fairness, you don’t have to be too bright to be an op-ed contributor to the NYT and Gail Collins fits the requirements. All you have to do is take the lead from Hillary’s whack-a-mole campaign style. No facts or substance required.”
Might the same thing be said about rush and the rest of the republican talk show puppets?
I thought the law / practice in most states was any gifts to public office holder have to be returned (with some exception for families / b’days etc ) to the giver or they are property of the state — isn’t that true for gifts to the pres etc,,,
“vacuous nitwitery”?
Isn’t that YOUR field of expertise Hank?
Good morning Mr Walker!
Well, in all fairness, you’ve asked a rather leading question. Based on the premise and the bias of your question I would answer, No.
When you read Gail Collins there really isn’t much substance. Few substantive facts to support her opinions. Her columns don’t really lead a reader to the same opinions that she has by carefully laying out facts and coming to a conclusion. It’s obvious that she merely has a liberal, hate America world vies and takes a few facks and twists and spins them to support her view.
Rush, on the other hand, (and I don’t support your premise that he is a “republican talk show puppet”) comes to the microphone with substantive commentary. You can listen to Rush knowing that he is a conservative with a conservative agenda and he’s not trying to give you a balanced opinion.
Rush has to be entertaining, amusing and commercially viable to be a success. He can’t merely depend on right wing political invective.
Merely an observation my dear Apophis.
I see you don’t care to engage in a meaningful way today.
Unlike last night I fail to find you amusing.
Do you refuse to engage in meaningful debate because you won’t or can’t?
Uour kind to do not “debate”, you spew reichwing rhetoric.
You are really worthy of only attack Hank.
Well children,
As much as I’d like to stay here by the fireplace and “…..support anything a memeber [sic] of the republic [sic] party does.” I think I’ll fix my baby breakfast and then go out and finish my Christmas shopping.
You’re a jerk Hank. I’m glad you are on the “other side” of reality. I would have to deal with the narrow-minded likes of you on a daily basis.
I’m with you, Hank. I think that no matter what turns up in Huckabee’s past, we should all get behind him and support him as the next republican presidential nominee for president. I’d vote for him in the primary except that they won’t let me because I’m registered as unaffiliated.Maybe if Huck gets the nomination, we could get him to pick Fred as his VP. Now there’d be a republican dream-team. Huck could give us weight-loss tips and Fred could face to the East and make mean faces to keep the terrorists at bay. We could bring the troops home right after the election.
Isn’t Target the Arkansas version of Neman Marcus?
Huckabee and Thompson are the perfect candidates for republicans.
I’m with you, Hank. I think that no matter what turns up in Huckabee’s past, we should all get behind him and support him as the next republican presidential nominee for president. I’d vote for him in the primary except that they won’t let me because I’m registered as unaffiliated.Maybe if Huck gets the nomination, we could get him to pick Fred as his VP. Now there’d be a republican dream-team. Huck could give us weight-loss tips and Fred could face to the East and make mean faces to keep the terrorists at bay. We could bring the troops home right after the election.
Isn’t Target the Arkansas version of Neman Marcus?
Huckabee and Thompson are the perfect candidates for republicans.
I’m with you, Hank. I think that no matter what turns up in Huckabee’s past, we should all get behind him and support him as the next republican presidential nominee for president. I’d vote for him in the primary except that they won’t let me because I’m registered as unaffiliated.Maybe if Huck gets the nomination, we could get him to pick Fred as his VP. Now there’d be a republican dream-team. Huck could give us weight-loss tips and Fred could face to the East and make mean faces to keep the terrorists at bay. We could bring the troops home right after the election.
Isn’t Target the Arkansas version of Neman Marcus?
Huckabee and Thompson are the perfect candidates for republicans.
To bridge the gap between his income and his expenses, Mr. Huckabee and a few close political advisers came up with a plan. They formed a nonprofit organization that raised money for Mr. Huckabee to travel the country promoting conservative politics to fellow ministers and attacking Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health care plan.
In its three-year life span, the organization, Action America, collected $119,916 from a dozen or so donors. Among them were former Senator Bob Dole’s political action committee, an Arkansas cotton gin owner who had been jailed for stock fraud, and R. J. Reynolds, the tobacco giant that had opposed the Clinton health plan. As for Mr. Huckabee, he ended up with $61,500 for his efforts before becoming governor in July 1996 and shuttering the group.
As information about the secretive group began to leak out in 1997, Democrats in Arkansas pressed for the identity of its donors, which Mr. Huckabee has refused to disclose. In addition, he failed to report his Action America income on his 1994 financial disclosure form, resulting in a “letter of caution” from the Arkansas Ethics Commission in 1997.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/us/politics/15huckabee.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1197728131-28fULP7bWHLCfSO22XrdSg
Nothin to see here, just move along. After all, it takes lots of money to represent criminals and Big Tobacco.
I’m sure Huck had no idea what he was doing, just like he sez…
Dems will squash Huckabee
Is Mike Huckabee the new Howard Dean?
That’s what one prominent conservative thinks, and he’s warning his fellow Republicans not to nominate the former Arkansas governor.
Rich Lowry, an editor of the conservative publication the National Review (which endorsed rival Mitt Romney this week), writes on the Republican Web site Townhall.com Friday that nominating Huckabee would amount to “an act of suicide” for the party.http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Go Huck!!!!
Rush?
Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh was comparing steroid use to use of contact lenses re:sports!
This seems like a clever little deal on Hickabee’s part. Crooked but clever.
Interesting how some Editors always go to the MSM Lib supporting newspapers instead of writing their own material so we can see where they stand on politics.
Gail Collins never met a Democratic candidate that she didn’t like and never wrote a piece that would be to their detriment. At least none that get redistributed nationally.
But one thing about Gail Collins, she doesn’t hide behind her Editor Position and pretty much says what her affiliation is. Probably safer to do so as she’s in the heart of Liberal Country.
There are much less brave souls here in Wichita. As they know that showing their “true and blue” colors in a red state would most likely get them ridden out on a rail quicker than match in a furnace.
Collins piece on Huckabee points out some things that are slightly off center.
However, I don’t think it is any different than any of the other Candidates and for sure on the Democratic side, that they have raked in funds and prizes.
Look at the Clintons – even with massive legal fees that mounted up because of their shenanigans, they went from 30,000 a year in Arkansas to multi millionaires that gets frequent invitations, gifts and free rides from the Democratic elite supporters.
Where is the New York Time column on that free give away?
I know there won’t be an Eagle Column on that, they are too busy hiding behind the larger skirts of the NYT and the LAT or some other MSM saddled, rode and put away wet Liberal rag.
“In all fairness, you don’t have to be too bright to be an op-ed contributor to the NYT”
Good point Hank. What was the name of that NYT columnist who helped sell us on Bush’s war?
As for Huckabee looks like he is in for some srutiny. First his own ‘Willie Horton’ and now this.
Ben, you can’t be talking about Judith Miller, could you? She couldn’t POSSIBLY have been a press shill for the administration. ::gasp::
Oh, and don’t forget Huckster’s willingness to lock up anyone infected with HIV, even long after it was known that HIV isn’t spread through casual contact.
While talking about gifts to Arkansas gov types lets throw this one in the mix.
“Clinton Library Got Funds From AbroadSaudis Said to Have Given $10 Million
By John Solomon and Jeffrey H. BirnbaumWashington Post Staff WritersSaturday, December 15, 2007; A03
Bill Clinton’s presidential library raised more than 10 percent of the cost of its $165 million facility from foreign sources, with the most generous overseas donation coming from Saudi Arabia, according to interviews yesterday.
The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in Little Rock about $10 million, roughly the same amount it gave toward the presidential library of George H.W. Bush, according to people directly familiar with the contributions.
The presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has for months faced questions about the source of the money for her husband’s presidential library. During a September debate, moderator Tim Russert asked the senator whether her husband would release a donor list. Clinton said she was sure her husband would “be happy to consider that,” though the former president later declined to provide a list of donors.”
It would appear that the Clintons have a big tie to the Saudis. Where is the NYT investigative reporter on this one? The AP got it right.
Imagine the whining Hank et.al would be doing if Sebelius did the same thing!
Not surprising ksgem. With bill Clinton and the senior Bush having ‘gotten together’ on many things it really should not be surprising that a Bush Sr family friend would support both libraries.
It is also not surprising to see you try to divert attention by changing the subject.
Looks like we have a pardon and a librarty donation.”The George Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas, reveals its most generous patrons on a gray marble wall in the foyer. When the center, located at Texas A&M University, was being erected, money flowed in from as far away as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, places that had good reason to thank the 40th president of the United States. But for one donor of at least $100,000 — Texas oilman Edwin L. Cox, Sr. — gratitude may have been closer to home.
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Just before leaving office in January 1993, Bush pardoned Cox’s son Edwin L. Cox Jr. The scion of one of Texas’ richest families, Cox Jr. had pleaded guilty in 1988 to bank fraud by falsifying collateral on $78 million in loans. He quit as director of a Dallas bank, spent six months in prison and paid $250,000 in fines. (Those who have served their time often seek pardons because felony convictions prevent them from obtaining professional licenses and voting.)
“Clinton Library Got Funds From AbroadSaudis Said to Have Given $10 Million
It would appear that the Clintons have a big tie to the Saudis. Where is the NYT investigative reporter on this one? The AP got it right.Posted by: ksgrm | December 15, 2007 at 12:30 PM
ksgrm,I’m a little surprised that you’d bring up the House of Saud, considering your support of the Bush Dynasty. Nobody, but nobody is more connected to the House of Saud more than the Bushes.
Show me footage of either Clinton kissing the King, and then I’ll be impressed.
If you dont think the Clintons took advantage of every loophole they could find, you are crazy.
Even the Clinton Library has some questionable financing:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121402124_pf.html
But, The NYT rarely says anything bad about the Clintons.
“Clinton Library Got Funds From AbroadSaudis Said to Have Given $10 Million
It would appear that the Clintons have a big tie to the Saudis. Where is the NYT investigative reporter on this one? The AP got it right.Posted by: ksgrm | December 15, 2007 at 12:30 PM
ksgrm,I’m a little surprised that you’d bring up the House of Saud, considering your support of the Bush Dynasty. Nobody, but nobody is more connected to the House of Saud more than the Bushes.
Show me footage of either Clinton kissing the King, and then I’ll be impressed.
“You’re a jerk Hank. I’m glad you are on the “other side” of reality. I would have to deal with the narrow-minded likes of you on a daily basis.
Apophis”**********************************************Apophis is cooped up all day surrounded by a mass of 12-14 year olds, which for most of humanity’s history marked emergence into adulthood. It’s in every culture on the planet.
Apophis doesn’t get it that public education has two inherent fatal flaws for the 21st century:
First his own assignment to teach a narrow age range, to use mass-produced teaching materials as his primary tools, to sort people (other people’s children, of note) and issue them grades, makes him an industrial worker. He should be able to realize that this is what he is because he’s an ardent unionist. That 19th-early 20th century factory-education modus is obsolete.
Secondly, the artificial prolongation of child-dependency is mentally unhealthful. For example, in healthy families, young teenagers negotiate with their parents. If parents have set rules, teenagers, if not “infantilized” by misguided “education”, are able to question them in order, not to be rebellious, but to understand their purposes. Interestingly while public schools have always fomented students’ rejection of parental-family beliefs and customs, public schools themselves are remarkably unwilling to enable students’ direct questioning of schools’ rules.
So kids break the rules, and are accused of misbehavior, in general where most are not caught most of the time, and individually when caught. But if the reason for rules is not explained, and would-be emerging adults are no allowed to discuss reasons for rules, offer suggestions for better methods to achieve the underlying goals for arbitrary rules, and see their suggestions implemented, then this is prolongation of childhood.
What about teachers? Think about somebody who has very little adult-adult interaction during a working day, week after week, month after month, year after year. But this person is immersed among adolescents who aren’t allowed to grow up naturally. What are the teachers’ psychic effects? Their own infantilization. Which Apophis’s puerile posts exemplify. He’s hostile, like young male teenagers. He makes overly simplistic assessments. He has never mounted a cogent complex argument. If somebody has a viewpoint, even a worldview, that doesn’t comport with his, he just fires infantile epithets. That’s all he can do.
Schools are cloistered. They don’t connect with the larger world. Hank’s on the “other side of ‘reality’”, to be sure, that of the larger world. His daily interactions are mostly with adults, and adults constitute the vast majority of Americans.
In private schools administrators, and thus teachers, have to respond to tuition-paying adults’ perspectives. In home-schooling, parents participate in the unfolding evolution of children’s growth. They don’t replay the same routines, year after year, for 30 years. They don’t have to sort-and-grade, they focus on their loved ones’ potentials fulfillment.
In a wisdom-instilled system you could have a teacher start teaching science to 5th graders, and go with them to 5th, 6th, 7th …12th grade. This would promote both teacher and student growth.
Apophis doesn’t understand that science is fundamentally it is a master-training-apprentices enterprise. It’s not, I’ve got this group of students learning under me for 55 minutes x 175 days = 160 hrs = 4 WEEKS of FTE (40 hr/wk) and passing them on to somebody else.
This is an anti-science-education rubric. Not surprisingly, scientists did not invent this ignorance-engendering “other side of reality” scheme.
Oh good grief.
THE THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE CLINTONS.
Trollboy and Ksgrm and Econ don’t want their Huckster tarnished, so what do they do?
BILL CLINTON!! BILL CLINTON!!
According to an AP release dated Feb 2, 2007 and posted to the todaysthv.com web site at 1:53 pm CST – the Commission is investigating a complaint from Jim Parsons of Bella Vista, Arkansas that Huckabee violated state FOIA statutes when he ordered the destruction of computer hard drives in the Governor’s office before he turned the office over to the new Democratic Govenor Mike Beebe. Parson’s has also filed a complaint with the Pulaski County (Little Rock) prosecutors.
…here’s “John Brumment, the award winning and highly respected political reporter for the statewide Arkansas News Bureau”:
Nevertheless, I will oblige Huckabee’s request should the opportunity arise for me to speak of him. I will be careful, even if he isn’t.
I will not tell reporters or civilians in other states that he was a failed governor. I will say he was an uncommonly uneven one, blending progress, compassion, detachment, meanness and irresponsibility.
I will not call him unethical, and certainly not corrupt. I will describe him as one who likes to receive gifts and sees no reason to decline them in deference to the appearances, if not necessarily the practice, of ethical conduct.
I will not call him a demagogue. I will say he is one to whom impressive words come easily and flow smoothly, even if the facts don’t always match up.
I will not call him a liar. I will label him chronic hyperbolizer given to petulance, huffiness and an overly dramatic woe-is-me combativeness, one by which he always seems to see morality plays with himself as the good guy or martyr.
I will not say he turned Wayne DuMond loose. I will say Wayne DuMond got turned loose by the Parole Board during Huckabee’s governorship after Huckabee said in a letter to DuMond, “It is my desire that you be released.”
I will not call Huckabee unfit for the presidency. I will say I can no longer be sure how low that bar can go.
Whether or not the ethics investigation turns out to have legs, it’s clear that Huckabee-Land is not quite as sunny as it seems on the stump.http://alienandsedition.blogspot.com/2007/02/huckabee-scandal-already.html
XXX,
The scariest quote from that piece:
“I will not call Huckabee unfit for the presidency. I will say I can no longer be sure how low that bar can go.”
You might call them gifts, the Huckster might call them ‘Love Offerings’.
The media really should hold off on Huckster until he gets the nomination, else his supporters will use the ‘old news’ canard.
XXX
There ARE pictures of Hillary kissing Soha Arafat of the PLO!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121402124_pf.html
Ask lots of folks in Arkansas, including Republicans, and a fair number will probably tell you that Huck is for Huck is for Huck. National media folks like David Brooks, dealing in surface appearances only, rave about what a nice guy Huckabee is, and a moral exemplar to boot. If they only did a little homework, they would discover a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak, and a long history of imbroglios about questionable ethics.
Once, Gov. Huckabee even had the gall to file suit against the state ethics commission. He lost.
Fourteen times, the ethics commission — a respected body, not a partisan witch-hunt group — investigated claims against Huckabee. Five of those times, it officially reprimanded him.
He used public money for family restaurant meals, boat expenses, and other personal uses. He tried to claim as his own some $70,000 of furniture donated to the governor’s mansion. He repeatedly, and obstinately, against the pleadings even from conservative columnists and editorials, refused to divulge the names of donors to a “charitable” organization he set up while lieutenant governor — an outfit whose main charitable purpose seemed to be to pay Huckabee to make speeches.
Huckabee has been criticized, reasonably so, for misusing the state airplane for personal reasons.
According to the Arkansas News Bureau (Feb. 1, 2003), “Huckabee’s personal lawyer, Kevin Crass of Little Rock, has said Huckabee believes there should be no limit on gifts short of a bribe.” After all, said Janet Huckabee, public officials like her husband should be automatically trusted
All of which leads one to ask two questions: First, how can voters whose primary concerns are moral look beyond so many of a candidate’s problems with ethics? And, second, if Republicans in general have concluded, as most of them have, that repeated scandals among Washington GOPers played a huge role in Republican defeats in 2006, how could they possibly nominate somebody who seems to have such big ethical blind spots?http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12205
This guy is a real stinker. He’ll be the perfect republican candidate.
Ben and Tom I am actually not in the Hucks corner. He and I don’t agree on many things, first and foremost his stance on immigration. I also think he has some strange ideas on taxes. He has never met a raise he didn’t like. I haven’t picked my candidate yet. Neither side has a real front runner in my view. I merely put this in as an example of the bias of the MSM. Hillary has so much baggage and this could be a very real reason the papers from her White House days haven’t been released.
Probably should have put it on the open thread but it seemed to fit this discussion.
There ARE pictures of Hillary kissing Soha Arafat of the PLO!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121402124_pf.html
Posted by: Econ101 | December 15, 2007 at 01:06 PM
Paul,I know this is tough for you, but try to focus. Re-read my post. Is Soha Arafat the King of Saudi Arabia?
Nice attempt to change the subject.
Do you all ever get the idea that we are all being worked by the media? They only hold the dirt on those candidates they like. Take Rudy for instance. He has enough dirt to go around for all and we see just the things the media can’t bury. Hillary shouldn’t even be considered for the post but what do we see on her. Back in May I made the prediction on this blog that the candidates would be Rudy and Hillary. With all that is happening I still think it will happen.
The media pulls the strings and we jump.
Hmmm…
The wife of the President embraces the wife of a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Sounds like an evil conspiracy to me.
Libs
Until Huckabee AND Hillary are both defeated, EVERYTHING is about Arkansas and Bill Clinton.
You attack Arkansas politics, you attack Clinton AND Huckabee.
I think Hillary is about to get humiliated, in Iowa. I hope she gets back on her game, quick. Hillary is the best thing Republicans can possibly hope for.
Ksgrm,
Watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann. It’s on MSNBC at 7pm, and rebroadcast at 11pm. He’s very much opposed to this President, and the war, but if there’s dirt on a candidate, he runs it no matter what party that candidate is in.
TomA Lib, on this thread, gave Bush a hard time for kissing a Saudi Prince.
Hillary AND Bill were very affectionate towards Yasser Arafat.
AND, the Nobel Prize is a joke.
Arafat was a corrupt monster.
You are correct about the bias of the MSM. Note, for example, Judith Miller, a press shill for the administration. ::gasp::
The MSM had been extolling the wonderful virtues of Huckabee; however, his past cannot be kept hidden.
Huckabee found himself on the defensive, deflecting questions regarding his tenure as Governor of Arkansas and his record of ethics violations and fiscal recklessness. The most recent scandal surrounding his draining of the state’s emergency funds and the destruction of government property before leaving office is bringing to light his long history of bilking tax-payers for his own benefit. Unfortunately, Huckabee’s reckless fiscal record is only surpassed by his numerous ethical violations and his lack of accountability.http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/01/huckabee_brings.php
Boy, those republicans can sure pick winners. This guy is the perfect republican. Thin-skinned, dishonest, ethically challenged, and a liar to boot. The perfect successor to George Bush.
Speaking of pictures – how about that one of Rumsfield and Saddam? Back when Saddam was our ally and gassing our enemies on our behalf.
Of course XXX, some people believe everything written in the press is the Gospel’s truth.
You know the press would never lie, omit or be biased in their reporting don’t you? :)
“Of course XXX, some people believe everything written in the press is the Gospel’s truth.”
That is why it helped Bush so much to have his operative Miller working for the press.
For the record,
I am not in the Huckabee camp, either, but I will support him if he is nominated.
I find myself wishing Romney was not a Mormon. That won’t stop me from voting for Romney, but I do believe it will hurt him, in the general.
Anyway, once again, let me state the obvious:
If Hillary is the nominee, ethics will NOT be the issue.
Hillary is too dirty to open up that can of worms.
“These are people that want to kill us. It’s a theocratic war. And I don’t know if anybody fully understands that. I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well.”
Now, on its face, it’s a pretty unpersuasive pitch. After all, how much could Huckabee have learned at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in the 1970s about 21st-century fundamentalist Islam? Probably not much.
But as it turns out ,the theology-degree claim may be more than unconvincing; it may also be false. The New York Times Magazine article that’s been getting lots of attention this week included this tidbit (thanks to J.N. for the tip):
If young Mike Huckabee was ever rebellious or difficult, there’s no record of it. He preached his first sermon as a teenager, married his high-school sweetheart and went off to Ouachita Baptist University in Arkadelphia. There he majored in speech and communications, worked at a radio station and earned his B.A. in a little more than two years. He spent a year at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Tex., before dropping out to work for the televangelist James Robison, who bought him his first decent wardrobe and showed him how to use television.
Huckabee’s a seminary-school drop-out?http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13923.html
I guess that degree drawn with a magic marker really doesn’t count.
Huckabee does have a bachelors degree in religion.
He mistated himself. Not a fatal mistake, IMHO.
That is why it helped Bush so much to have his operative Miller working for the press.
Posted by: Ben | December 15, 2007 at 01:27 PM
Actually Judith Miller comes from a Liberal Background. She had a father in Las Vegas Show Business, she graduated from Hollywood High and did quite a few things that were considered Liberal values.
She got stung on some stories about the aluminum casings that turned out not to be true (nuclear stuff) and of course the Libby case.
Unfortunately or fortunately, that’s how some reporters make their living riding on the coat tails of insiders. Sometimes they get lucky like Bob Woodward and other times they get stung like Judith Miller.
kansas – and Hillary comes from a conservative Republican background in suburban Chicago (Park Ridge I think). Looks like they both changed.
BTW – Miller ‘got stung’ by a whole lot more than just the aluminum tubes. She parroted the entire Bush-Cheney-Powell line of lies.
XXX,
People go to Seminary to either get a degree in Theology or Religious studies, but mostly to get Ordained as a Minister so they can be duly licensed by the state they preach in.
Otherwise, they can preach as a lay minister and do other things depending on state law.
A person’s college degree has little to do with Seminary Training most of the time.
Some reporters cross the line and become operatives, Novack, Miller.
It’s not like Huckabee vandalized the White House or anything.
The Clintons pilaged and stole national historic treasures on their way out of the White House in January 2001.
They likely knew they would never be back again.
MPS………… I think your neurosurgeon needs to remove MORE of your brain. Your grasp on reality is slipping.
Your contempt for me is very obvious. I really don’t care what you think though. The reality is that you have ideas that are so out of the mainstream, only the extemists here listen to you. You blather on and on, but can have no real effect on change.
Oh well, MPS as classified as a “crack-pot”…………..!!!!
Huckabee is nothing but another Republican who’s an expert at talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time. He rants and raves about too much government and too much spending and look at his track record in Arkansas! Massive tax increases and spending increases. This country does not need another theocrat who is fiscally irresponsible.
Yikes X!
Hold your fire til they nominate Hickabee.
He is the speeding train among the GOP contenders. Let him build up speed and stay on the tracks and then…
If Huckabee falls who will be the next ‘great hope’ for the Republics?
“They likely knew they would never be back again.”They’ll be back! So just think of it as borrowing.
Rudy is in trouble.
The Rudy voters will get behind Romney.
I think Romney is the nominee.
New Hampshire is probably going to go Romney, it is in the Boston media market.
I still think some real slime ball like Gingrinch will slide in at the convention.
Hillary will not win the White House, IMHO.
However, if she does, she will destroy the Democrat Party.
Delegates control conventions.
Delegates form personal alliances as well as ideological alliances.
Only the announced candidates have a shot, in either party.
However, some VP negotiating is happening, already.
Well, Huckleberry is doing at least one thing right, he’s piping up about the ridiculousness of Bush’s “American foreign policy.”
That’s the only way, the ONLY way, a Republic can win the office, he’s got to make a clean break with Augustus Stupidus and his “leadership,” such as it was, as displayed in Iraq.
So far Huckleberry’s the only one to come even remotely close to getting it. In fact, this is pretty unusual for a “got a snowball’s chance” GOPer to break against a standing GOP POTUS during primary season (in further fact, the rest of the Republic field’s stance on US FP can be accurately characterized as “I”m FAR More Arrogant Than The Guy To My Left…And Ain’t Nobody To My Right!!!”).
It’s a start, GOP. :)——————————–HUCKABEE STRIKES AT ‘ARROGANT’ BUSH FOREIGN POLICY
By MICHAEL COOPERPublished: December 15, 2007
TAMPA, Fla. — As Rudolph W. Giuliani tried to refocus his presidential campaign with a rare formal address here Saturday, Mike Huckabee gave the first detailed look at his foreign policy, sharply criticizing what he called the “Bush administration’s arrogant bunker mentality.”
In an article written for Foreign Affairs and posted on the publication’s Web site Saturday, Mr. Huckabee became the most outspoken critic of the Bush administration’s foreign policy of any Republican candidate except Ron Paul, who is running on an antiwar platform.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/us/politics/15cnd-campaign.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Pedant
The “ONLY” way?
How about this:
W actually WINS in Iraq.
Then, your Dems are ALL in trouble, huh?
Econ,
It’s been what, four years since Bush declared “Mission Accomplished,” right? So in W’s mind, he’s already won.
But we won’t let pesky things like facts interfere with the cheerleading of warmongers.
TomMy political analysis is correct.
Success in Iraq is defeat for Democrats.
A person’s college degree has little to do with Seminary Training most of the time.
Posted by: Kansas | December 15, 2007 at 01:36 PM
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Well put, Kansas… I am not clear as to what Huckabee’s B.A. degree is in… BUT, if he only attended one year at Southwest Baptist Seminary, then he is not a graduate there.. If he said he graduated there, then somebody needs to put the pressure on…
Also, back in the 1970’s there were some denominations that didnt require a Seminry degree to be ordained. IIRC, Southern Baptists were one of those denominations. So, his ordination could have happened without a Seminary Degree…
Seminary degrees are: M.Div. (Master of Divinity) and are considered to be a “professional” degree, rather than an academic degree, such as an M.Th. or S.T.M
Econ,
If Bush could wave his magic wand and turn all terrorists into puppies and kittens, that would earn him some votes, too. But the likelihood of that happening is….
…not at all.
How can anyone “forget” what college they graduated from?
And should anyone who DOES forget that little detail be elected President? Even Bush remembers he went to Yale.
Tom, I believe Huckabee did graduate from Ouachita Baptist College in Arkansas.
He just seems to have not graduated from Southwest Baptist Theological Seminary.
“Success in Iraq is defeat for Democrats.”
Yeah that should be a REAL problem.
Round about say 2052.
JR,
That soon?
In our denomination and others like ours, nobody will be ordained without having an M.Div. degree from an accredited Theological Seminary. Unless it is an extremely RARE situation – such as a candidate from Australia, or Africa, or India, or even England, where many graduate with an M.Th. or S.T.M. degree.
The only way Bush can “win” in Iraq before next November, is if it was “Planned” that way from the beginning. LOL
Pat has it right on the Republican side.Rudy is in real trouble:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23909
By the way:
Target is one of the most liberal retailers in the country, based on corporate contributions, not allowing Toys for Tots or Salvation Army to operate like they do at other stores, etc.
Huckabee going to Target, rather than Arkansas based Walmart, is telling.
Of course, I believe Hillary was on the Walmart board until just recently.
Rev. Huckabee (and some point he pretended to be a governor too) must be praying that they are making mighty be needle eyes these days. It’s not unusual for religious leaders to think they are due special gifts from his flock of gullible sheep, just being in office increases his flock.
To get an idea of how dumb Huckabee is he not only thinks the planet is 6,000 years old, that evolution is false but he actually thinks in Ottawa, the nation’s capital is really an igloo.
Somehow I think the Republicans have found someone dumber than Bush.
The “ONLY” way?
How about this:
W actually WINS in Iraq.
Then, your Dems are ALL in trouble, huh?Posted by: Econ101 | December 15, 2007 at 02:38 PM
LOL. Yeah, and if that dog could just break free of its leash then the cats are ALL in trouble, huh?
You and the think-tanks’ll be sure and let us all know just when the Iraqis BEGIN to take advantage of the blood shed by American troops there, woncha?
Because they ain’t no sign of it happening yet, LOL.
Here’s the thing, Econ101: you’re right — if Iraq somehow fixed itself the Dems would be in big trouble — but Augustus Stupidus pissed so much and so often in the backyard aka Iraq that it will take years, hell decades, for his “leadership” there to pay dividends. And note that any dividends to Bush’s legacy assume the Iraqis get their act together…
Augustus Stupidus: “leading” America a-la Don Quixote since 2003.
Huckabee never said the planet was 6,000 years old.
I dont think he said the other things, that you reference, either, Doug.
The Lead article in this thread is discussing this “wedding list” thing… It seems that this is some kind of ploy to do an end run around the “ethics” of receiving gifts for a governor.
But, how do they expect it to be believable, when Huckabee and his Mrs. have been married for 30+ years??
That would seem to PROVE that they are just trying to legitimize something that any normal person can see is totaly phony!
Actually it’s because you are quite well uninformed Paul and I’ve proven that numerous times.
Here is another one of these times:http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/14/huckabee-congratulates-canada-on-preserving-its-national-igloo-2/
You best play it safe and just remind yourself that I am much more informed and educated than you.
Here is what Huckabee really says, regarding Evolution:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3140255
And I agree on one point:
“What in the world does Evolution have to do with being President of the United States”?
Econ, I dnt now about that canadian thing, but I have seen printed references earlier that Huckabee does indeed embrace the “young earth” theory — 6 – 8,000 years old for the Earth, etc.
You might want to go check that one a little more.
Doug
You are much more pedantic than I am.
Informed?
No.
Rudy is in real troublePosted by: Econ101 | December 15, 2007 at 03:05 PM
That is because Giuliani is a dipshit, and it shows.
For example:
Courtesy of “GIULIANI TIME!”: THE RUDY QUIZ in the 12/17/2007 edition of The New Yorker.
Who is Elliot Cuker?a) The ex-husband of Giuliani’s third wife, who said that she called him Rich Little Kike and Jew Boy.b) One of the first indicted Wall Street traders subjected to Giuliani’s “perp walk” technique.c) The adviser who first got Giuliani to appear in drag in public.d) The official to whom Giuliani claimed to have said, on the morning of 9/22/2001, “Thank God George Bush is our President.”
ANS: c.
LOL
Econ,
Where are today’s Republican values are working? Inform me please some example. A national policy. Maybe a local one.
We’re better off because of the Republicans in foreign policy?
I’m trying to gauge, the always voting Republican regardless it could be a bad choice.
I go back to Dukakis, no way was that guy good enough to be President, how he got the Dem nomination is why I first questioned, what the hell are Democrats!
America got Daddy Bush and huge White House mistakes were made, he only lasted one term.
Today’s Republicans are back to those moments, a damaged party and policies.
With the damage bush has done, I am amazed anyone wants the job.
Of course,
There’s another side to that.
It will be awfully hard for anyone to do the job any worse than bush has.
Ya know?
I may be onto something with my last.
How many wanted to be President after Clinton?
Gore, Bradley, bush and McCain.
Of course bush stole it.
But with bush as a backdrop of recent experience, everybody and their dog and Alan Keyes wants the job!
I guess they figure after bush , no matter what they do they will look like FDR!
Option “d” in the quiz had the wrong date, it should have read 9/11/2001 (THE morning….don’t it make a great story?…especially if it were true? lol).
There are roughly 50 such fun facts about hizzoner there.
They are all hilarious, in a dark way, and occasionally shocking.
But my fingers tire before I can stop laughing, so I gotta say now, GO KU!
My #1 choice:
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/255912.html
richardson is so correct – there is really not a lot of difference among the Democrats on the issues; they need to keep in mind that after February they all need to be united.
Richardson: Stick to issuesBy PHILIP ELLIOTTAssociated Press WriterMEREDITH, N.H. – Presidential hopeful Bill Richardson on Saturday decried the “nasty little fights” between his Democratic rivals, saying the scuffles distract from serious issues in the campaign.
In recent weeks, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s supporters have spread rumors against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and raised questions about his teenage drug use and his faith. Those discussions only hurt the Democrats and could have been avoided if they had joined him in a promise to run a positive-only campaign, Richardson said.
“Almost a year ago, I came out and said all the Democratic hopefuls need to sign a pledge that we won’t attack each other. Only Joe Biden signed it with me,” Richardson said to laughter.
The Richardson said the infighting hurts the party in the November general election and undermines their policy proposals.
“Why isn’t the Democratic Party, why aren’t all of us talking more about jobs? … It should be about who can change this country, who can govern, who has the experience to do it and most importantly, who can bring this country together,” Richardson said during a town hall laden with policy summaries.
His campaign has tried to play up his resume: New Mexico governor, former energy secretary, UN ambassador, congressman. On paper, he is one of the Democrats’ strongest options, but he hasn’t yet been able to catch fire.
“Some of the smartypants set in Washington think it’s a two-person race so they’re focusing on the fights between the two top people, the nasty little fights,” Richardson said.
Current polls have a tight race emerging in the early states. Clinton posted 32 percent and Obama posted 31 percent among likely Democratic primary voters in a Concord Monitor poll released on Friday. Edwards was even at 18 percent and Richardson had 8 percent support.
Yikes X!
Hold your fire til they nominate Hickabee.Posted by: J R | December 15, 2007 at 01:57 PM
Sorry Bro,I googled “Huckabee scandals” and, well….there was just so much to chose from.
I hope Richardson hangs in the race… He is the best one on their list!
The funny thing with all this is that Huckabee was supposed to be the ‘clean as a hound’s tooth’ savior of the Republic field. Everyone knew that Giuliana was a bit ’sleazy’ but considered him to be the most competant. Now where to the campaign go next?
Damage?
Bush made decisions.
Decisions always reduce popular support.
Clinton “triangulated”.
Bill Clinton did not lead.
Leaders get things done.
George W. Bush will be treated very well, by history.
Again, what “damage”??
Even the new President of France is cooperating with Bush, on several fronts.
Any drastic change from current foreign or domestic policy will create a one term President.
Interesting. Is google a valid scandal barometer?
Clinton Scandals: 294,000 resultsObama Scandals: 607,000 resultsEdwards Scandals: 457,000 resultsRichardson scandals: 346,000 resultsHuckabee scandals: 471,000 results
OK, I know everyone is wanting to know Bush scandals. Any guesses? OKBush scandals: 410,000 results.
Yes damage.
Ask anybody.
Oh bush has been ok for those with a lot of money and the little flunkies like econ who service them.
It’s a pretty shallow person judges a President just on how good they have been for their own personal pocketbook.
Oh I gotta remember who I am talking about.
Nevermind
Where it should have been all along, Ben, to Romney.
“George W. Bush will be treated very well, by history.”
Holy Macaroni, boys and girls!
If you had any idea that Econ had a shred of rationality left in him, abandon all hope now.
George W. Bush is the worst president since the legendary bad presidents of the 19th Century–Buchanon and Grant.
He may very well be the Worst. President. Ever.
No question that he’s the worst in the last 100 years. Hoover and Nixon stand as Titans next to him.
Mitt Romney has:
Mona Charen (Jewish Republican)Pat Buchanan (Catholic Republican with some anti-Israle baggage)National ReviewGeorge H.W. Bush
I think Romney will win.
When Rudy supporters realize that Rudy won’t win, they will fall behind Romney.
Thompson supporters might split, between Romney and Huckabee. I was a Thompson supporter. I sadly realize that he probably won’t survive past New Hampshire.
Romney will come in at least 2nd, in Iowa.
Romeny then has the upper hand in New Hampshire, within the Boston media market.
Then, you have Michigan, where Romney’s dad was Governor.—–Again, I will support Huckabee if he gets the nomination, but Huckabee is FAR too “populist” for me, supporting dumb ideas that have popular support, if only because the “populace” doesnt realize the consequences.
What sent me to Romney over Huckabee?
Huck just signed up Ed Rollins, the man behind Reagan (good) and Perot (horrible). Also, Rollins shot his mouth off, once, about “suppressing the Black vote” and got investigated for that.
Not good, no matter who the Dems nominate.
Here is what Mona Charen has to say:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MonaCharen/2007/12/14/a_second_look_at_romney
Interesting, outlander.
Google search for “miserable failure,” and the first several hundred hits all link to stories about Bush.
Econ wants a Ken doll to be president.
Hey, Econ, they’re for little girls . . .
Desperate as he IS
I don’t think even bush wants YOU on his side econ.
Definition of a Union Hack Liberal, anyone who fits this model:
“It’s a pretty shallow person judges a President just on how good they have been for their own personal pocketbook”
Oh my! Thanks Capn.
Wait a minute. Look what the very first one is.
BBC NEWS | Americas | ‘Miserable failure’ links to BushWeb users manipulate a popular search engine so an unflattering description leads to the president’s page.news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3298443.stm – 32k – Cached – Similar pages
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Capn: Did you know that? You sly dog. You aren’t CapnHalftruth for nothing are you?
I could spend all night defining you econ Paul.
The words though, are not fit for this forum.
It is ok. Your reputation is made.
Romney could be fun – what with the Terry Foxians I know who say they would never vote for a Mormon.
I think Romney will win.Posted by: Econ101 | December 15, 2007 at 04:34 PM
I think you’re right.
Of course, the GOP will lose the election, but I do believe Mitt Romney, aka Max “GOP post-Bush” Headroom, would look best while bearing the albatross of Augustus Stupidus around his neck, will win the nomination, and will bear best the sins of folly committed by Bush and the GOP Congresses post-2003. ;)
Huckleberry, of course, is furiously attempting the old end-around the Iraq albatross…but of course y’all won’t let THAT happen, LOL.
Hey libs on this Blog:
How is that Democrat Congress working for you?
The fact is, the Democrats running for office pretent to be moderates, or even conservatives.
You have not had an honest, straightforward liberal, who had the guts to say he was a liberal, run in decades.
Therefore, liberals, you will NEVER have what you want.
This country is not as liberals as any of you libs, on this Blog.
Therefore, even if you win an election, every now and then, those temporary wins only serve to remind the public that they can’t trust liberals or liberalism.—–By the way, as far as “worst President ever” goes?
Jimmy Carter and LBJ were far worse than George W. Bush, in every way.
Lets look at what YOU libs think is important:
LBJ got us deep into Vietnam, where our casualties dwarfed the causulties of Iraq.
Personally, I think Vietnam was a noble effort, but few liberals share that view.
So, tell me the truth, liberals, do you think LBJ, who came up with the “Tonkin Gulf Resolution” — LBJ, who cheated famously to control election outcomes in Texas — LBJ, who continued the warrantless wiretapping of political opponents, much like JFK — LBJ, who began the failed “great society” AFDC programs that even Bill Clinton had to “reform” — LBJ, who did not even RUN for a 2nd term, due to American rejection of his policies —
WAS LBJ a better President than George W. Bush?
Mitt probably won’t even carry his own state. Gouliani is being helped out the most by Huckabee’s rise since it’s taken attention away from all his scandals.
Personally I’d love Huckabee to win the primary because that goon is a laugh a minute. Plus he has no campaign funds and will be outmatched by any of the top three Democrats who have no problem getting money from the people (except Clinton who is financed by the corporations).
The media, who often picks the candidates for us has the following in mind:Gouliani, McCainClinton, Obama
The media doesn’t care for populists like Edwards and Huckabee so they’ll disparage them like they did with Dean.
Romney could win the nomination.
But once the stuff about the church of Mormon starts to circulate? When it really starts coming out?
I don’t think he stands a chance.
Myself, I’m not religious. SO I sorta compare all religions equally.
But traditional Christians and Catholics are gonna get a sense of the Mormon stuff and get real nervous.
“You have not had an honest, straightforward liberal, who had the guts to say he was a liberal, run in decades.”
You mean like Kucinich?
Yes.
Eisenhower, when he was out cold for heart surgery, was better than Bush.
DEAD Presidents are better than Bush.
At least they don’t lie us into never-ending war for oil.
Paul – the Democratic House has passed some good legislation, such as AMT relief. Unfortunately it has been blocked in the NOT Democrat controlled senate. Other good legislation (SCHIP) has been passed but vetoed. So, it is obvious that control of one house of the Congress is of limited value.
Agreed, Doug.
If there’s any justice in this world, the Bible-Beating American Taliban will push Huckabee to victory in the RepubliCON primaries, and then, lacking mainstream support, he’ll get crushed like a bug against any Democratic candidate.
LBJ … GWB … what a choice. The two worst presidents of my lifetime are both from Texas.
LBJ was no star. But let’s compare.
LBJ More people getting more rights
george bush rights taken away.
LBJ Great Society programs.
george bush vetoes health care for poor children.
LBJ inherited Vietnam conflict originally started under Eisenhower and the conservative fear based “domino theory”.
george bush STARTED two wars in two countries with no exit strategy.
I don’t need to go on.
george bush is not just the worst President in history. He is the worst President that can be imagined. And he continues to re define that each day.
Nonsense.
The real bigots, in this country, are those who hate religious people.
Sure, there are some Baptists and Fundamentalists out there, who will have trouble with Mormonism.
However, as the Jewish Republican Mona Charen, and the Catholic Republican, Pat Buchanan, have pointed out, the Republican Party is about issues and results. Also, The Democrat Majority Leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, is a Mormon. Moe Udal, another Democrat, and former Presidential candidate, was a Mormon.
Did you realize that the Federal Government makes a HABIT of recruiting FBI and other law enforcement agents, in Utah?
Why is that?
Because Mormons rarely have any skeletons in their closet.
Mormons are good, honest, hardworking, decent people.
I do not deny that there are hateful bigots in the world, who will not vote for a Mormon.
However, faced with Hillary or Obama?
I am ready for that fight.
I know Romney is ready.
Somewhere….
Maybe in the campaign headquarters of McCain or Thompson…
an ad is being made that details Romney’s remarks about the Confederate flag.
What have we Democrats ALWAYS said about Republicans?
They are the party of the interests of the wealthy.
They are the party of big business.
They are the party of ruining the environment.
In these and so many more Democrats have been proven right by the actions of george bush and the Republicans in Congress.
Uh Thanks?
Romney will do fine in the South:
http://scforromney.com/
Funny how a “former Republican” could “always” say bad things about Republicans, but, whatever.
I would love to see a Hillary – Romney debate.
She might get run ruled.
Paul, if you haven’t noticed the people who hate religious people are religious themselves. Atheists treat all religious people the same, you religious nuts kill each other because you disagree on which invisible sky pixie is the real invisible sky pixie.
No one reads your links anymore pauliecon.
Not since you TRIED to use stuff said in a Right wing con chat room as proof in an argument.
Now put on your bush underoos. Get your copy of “My Pet Goat” and some pretzels and climb under your bed.
I would love to see a Hillary – Romney debate.Posted by: outlander | December 15, 2007 at 05:09 PM
Isn’t the movie out already? “Say Anything”?
LOL
LOL.
Hell, Romney is just Hillary Lite.
I have a lot of trouble with the Mormon religion. I don’t have any problem at all with any Mormons I know.
I have a lot of problems with the Catholic religion. Some of the finest and best Christians I know are Catholic.
I would vote for a person that is true to their faith over one that didn’t have much faith or one that their faith as a large part of their life.
I supported Fred. I now support Huckabee. When Mitt wins the nomination he’ll get my support.
Hillary? She’s in big trouble. I think she’s dirty enough and financially able to defeat B H Obama. Hillary is the dems worst night mare.
“Say Anything”- A noble underachiever and a beautiful valedictorian fall in love the summer before she goes off to college.———–
Well, that doesn’t sound quite right Pedant, but whatever!
“Say Anything”- A noble underachiever and a beautiful valedictorian fall in love the summer before she goes off to college.———–
Well, that doesn’t sound quite right Pedant, but whatever!Posted by: outlander | December 15, 2007 at 05:17 PM
LOL. Touche.
It’s the title…and only the title, I guess (I have to admit that I have never actually seen the movie, sheesh).
Hank – we agree on muh of what you said (about religions and religious) but end up diverging at the end. Oh well, as least we share some logic there.
Econ,
So Republican domestic policy is a winner? Federal prescription plans working as a consumer advantage?
Republicans have fixed health care policies in this country?
Doctors are quitting because insurance costs too much.
Hospitals have merged, that’s less advantage to consumers.
Over the years has Bush reduced power of the USDA and FDA, right?
Giving more responsibility to corporations, clean up themselves.
The EPA is paper only compliance agency for a long time. It hasn’t survived well since Christine Whitman was tabbed to run it and failed. She said New York air after 9/11 wasn’t toxic.
Asia countries reject importing meat and e-coli problems occur here. Lettuce was toxic sometimes. Nobody checked the water on that corporate farm.
Trade with China is so unbalanced, there is a vortex of products being sucked into this country and some had toxic paint. China thought they found a cheaper way to manufacture since we need so much stuff.
It’s a good thing Republican values in foreign trade? Disney got publicly embarrassed because of their toys! The trade has to be fixed.
Bush has sold too much debt to China and someday America will pay it back with much interest.
Your counting on the French President who lost his wife!He’s got the top job in their country and she said, he’s not worth her time and support.
That guy is more one term than anybody. Many French are wondering why is he talking to Bush while internal riots occur!
England has political strife after Tony Blair.
Our allies are fretting about war in Iraq. Enemies are saying look at America trying to take over Middle East oil.
Things with Israel not going well. We can’t be with them to bomb Iran, even though Bush is arguing that is possible.
He is The Decider, said so himself.
He’s failed making the right decision in a lot of ways. He’s hurt the Republican party and his policies have been flawed.
Appointments to Federal Agencies, some were wrong getting those jobs.
Elections were being investigated if a Democrat won. Lawyers lost jobs because they didn’t tar and feather Dems.
MirageYes, the Part D drug program is GREAT for those who need it.All retired people should sign up for it, in case they do need it, down the road.
The rest of your tirade?
Well, I think people will always get sick, people will always die, and we will always have a trade deficit.
Rich countries do not run trade surpluses.
Neither do debtor nations.
If anything has been proven by the defeat of the war bills, it’s that we must have a Democrat President to seriously cut back, or end the war. Congress can’t do it with the present slim majority in the Senate. So, I expect Americans will address both problems in the upcomin election.
If anything has been proven by the defeat of the war bills, it’s that we must have a Democrat President to seriously cut back, or end the war. Congress can’t do it with the present slim majority in the Senate. So, I expect Americans will address both problems in the upcoming election.
Econ,
Bush can’t fix meat trade with Asian countries.
His policies reducing power of USDA and FDA, Asian countries don’t trust Cargill Meat Solutions, right here!
Do you think Japan says, its Bush’s fault alone or their blaming Republican policies.
Reduction of government oversight seems wrong to Japan’s thinking.
Replacing Bush with another Republican fixes that? Romney can fix the meat problems in your estimation?
You fear change of Party in the White House will make it worse?
What’s worse than Asia not taking meat right now and its been going on for awhile.
China trade is obscene, not only are they overfilling America, barely taking anything of ours, their taking advantage buying our Treasury Bonds so Bush can afford his war in Iraq.
What’s Romney’s position on ending Iraq war? Financing for troops to stay there has to end soon.
What’s the difference between Bush and Romney in policy? Where do you see Bush failed and Romney can fix those decisions?
Your picking Romney who is questionable, but because he’s Republican, he’s your guy?
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. How can a Republican be different in policies from Bush?
Paul, clueless as always. We used to have a trade surplus with Mexico before NAFTA. Here are some “poor” countries that have trade surpluses: Japan and Canada. But of course you are incompetent on economic matters, that is nothing new, and that’s why you love Bush so much.
DougVery few economists think that a trade deficit is a bad thing.
It should be monitered, as we want our trade partners to honor our trade agreements, but a trade deficit, on its own, is meaningless.
The United States is still the greatest economic power in the world.
— Even if other countries ARE catching up.
By the way, Doug;
Using the word “pixie” to describe faith, is insulting.
It is bigoted and hatefull.
However, it is also helpfull, in that you are showing the Blog what part of the loyal Democrat base really believes.
— Even if no Democrat candidate will ever claim to be an Atheist, or will every refer to their God as a “pixie” or a “zombie”.
Maybe not Paul — But there is always the great, the only FSM!!
“The United States is still the greatest economic power in the world.
— Even if other countries ARE catching up.”
Posted by econ
With the trade deficit as huge as it is; with a recession on the horizon (even your economists agree on that one); with government wasting nearly one trillion dollars a year; with the dollar devalued on the world market, making us a third world type buyers market, I seriously doubt it.
I’m thinking you need a refresher course in economics 101.
“Very few economists think that a trade deficit is a bad thing”
Very few economist are also acquainted very closely with the real world.
You USE to work for a living Pauliecon. Try and remember what I mean.
“Free” trade has been very hard on AMERICAN workers.
But that isn’t important is it?
As long as the CEO and stockholders make out? Well too bad on the folks that make and work and do. Better luck next life!
You pauliecon are the epitome of everything that is very wrong with this country. You would sell that country. You’d sell anything all to make another buck.
It shames me that I share a country with you.
Touche` JM Walker!!
Don’t worry Econ101, the European Union is headed for a big fall and will be brought back to reality. I hate to see it myself as it affects the world economy.
But it has been predicted by the “silenced” European Economists who have been excluded from the economic policy meetings at the European Union summits.
Liberals:
NAME a candidate that wants to repeal NAFTA, would you please?
Nobody wants to repeal NAFTA. At least, nobody that will ever be President.
Free trade is the policy of wealthy countries.
Trade protectionism is the policy of poor, depotic countries.
What tyrant has the right to tell me what I can buy? Certainly not any of you. (For the record, I drive an American made car. Many of your liberal heroes do NOT!)
The value of the dollar, by the way, has more to do with the fact that the world is imitating US Capitalism, and the world is, therefore, becomming more wealthy.
How much did ya get for your soul there Pauliecon?
Calling you a Wh@re would be insulting to prostitues.
It never is about America or Americans with you is it Pauliecon.
Just more sheckles.
I believe that capitalism feeds more people than socialism.I believe that capitalism cures more people than socialism.I believe that capitalism is the heart of freedom.Capitalism will force freedom to prosper, in any culture.Capitalism is the enemy of Communism.Capitalism is the enemy of Socialism.Capitalism is the enemy of Fascism.Capitalism is the enemy of tyrany.There can be no liberty without property.Liberals know this.Liberals no longer support true liberty.That is why liberals CRAVE your property.
Sheckles? Another anti-Semitic shot by the “tolerant” left?
Rant away paulecon.
I don’t know that I could CREATE a more despicable figure than you to represent what is so wrong in this country.
You do the job quite well.
Probably the first honest work you’ve done in …ever?
Unfettered capitalism is feudalism.
Feudalism was tried.
People didn’t like it.
There wasn’t much they could DO about it. Not for a long time anyway.
Didn’t come off to well on the well heeled when the oppressed did decide they’d had enough.
I don’t think we will march willingly into feudalism for ya paulie. Most of us have a little thing called dignity. Look it up.
Dignity = sitting on your ass and blamming your problems on somebody else.
Well his spelling is going.
Maybe I can drive him all caps.
How many Americans are you indicting with THAT charge paulecon?
The millions of manufacturing workers whose jobs were sold to the lowest bidder by little rats like yourself?
Let’s hear your definition for patriotism.
THAT should be interesting.
Wipe your screen down and I’ll have you dance for the people some more paulecon.
Interesting take you have on dignity.
How about the world according to paulecon dictionary for:
patriotismconscience
and honor?
I’ll be back to collect your answers.
Notice everyone how J R cannot argue with facts, only ad hominem.
Not
one
fact
brought up
by J R
And it’s typical of his posts.
I am patriotic enough to believe that America can compete with the rest of the world, where agriculture or high quality manufactured products are concerned.
I also believe that trade protectionism is defeatism.
Trade protectism says that Americans are too stupid or too lazy to produce a valuable product.
“Price is an issue in the absence of Value”.
If you have no value, you have only yourself to blame.
AgainWho is the anti-NAFTA candidate?
I do not think there is one.
This debate is over.
NAFTA is settled.
“I am patriotic enough to believe that America can compete with the rest of the world, ”
With the sweatshops of China? They use defacto slave labor.
“where agriculture or high quality manufactured products are concerned.”
I guess that explains why we are importing more and more food?
And what DO we make here anymore?
And you try to twist yourself into patriotism by defending? the very workers whose jobs you so willingly farm out!
Neat little phrase you closed on. Did you mean me exclusively?
Or do you in fact mean anyone that isn’t you? Anyone whose job can be done cheaper elsewhere or here by illegal labor?
I think the readers know.
I’ve a little bit myself.
You and yours continually try to make labor worth less. First an American textile worker is worth less than a Chinese textile worker. Then an American assembly line worker is worth less than another slave laborer the slums of Beijing.
You keep making labor worth less.
Your ultimate goal is to make labor worthless. Or the province only of those who assign the labor.
THAT is feudalism.
And yeah the lords and vassals will need little pencil pushers like you to do the books.
Me? I want something better for my country and its people.
I shouldn’t even dignify a stain like you. But you and yours have to be stopped.
And a little side note here, just personal.
I can find SOMETHING respectable or redeeming in every poster on this forum econpaulie. Even those I disagree with on everything I can find a speck of good in.
You are the exception. In you I find nothing at all to respect or redeem you.
Where NAFTA is concerned,
My beliefs are closer to every major candidate, running for office, than the radicals on this Blog
Nobody wants to repeal NAFTA.
Also, the “Global Warming” crowd will, actually, send MORE jobs overseas, because China and India and most of the rest of the world will ingnore any GW mandates.
Libs in general:
Do you hate EVERYONE who disagrees with you?
I do not form my opinions through watching opinion poles, but my views are well within the mainstream of American politics.
pollsGW on the mind
lol
“Nobody wants to repeal NAFTA.”
That’s a lie.
ALL of the candidates on both sides at least pay lip service to taking a second look at NAFTA.
That doesn’t matter anyway. NAFTA is about 8 years too late to do much about.
george bush granted most favored nation trading status to China. I’m more interested in the candidates take on that.
Pretty wide range of hate ya got there econpaulie. By projection, you show that you hate everyone on this blog who disagrees with you.
I only HATE you econpaulie.
And you think you are in the mainstream? OR…are you trying to talk the mainstream into being in agreement with you?
Yeah uh..no chance is my thinking.
And the obligatory mention of global warming?
America can be the world leader in addressing global warming there econpaulie.
But of course, you don’t want that. There’s the oil companies revenue projections to consider.
Despicable.
pride that brings poverty
Like Karl Marx refusing to earn an honest living, and letting his kid starve while he wrote his manifesto.
By the way libsI hate no one.
Some of my best friends are misguided Democrats.
I’m more a conservative and capitalist than you econ.
I just don’t want those things confined to little toadies like you who don’t know the meaning of dignity.
People suffered and died to defeat or push back people like you.
Their legacy demands that I stand and fight you.
“pride that brings poverty”
You attack American pride. You gave yours away long ago. SO anyone better than you is deserving poverty.
Yeah sell that.
What was it George Bailey said?
“In the greater scheme of things, you’re nothing but a scurvy little spider…”
Tell me something, econ: How do you feel about the corporations, sending manufacturing jobs overseas for slave labor costs, being held responsible, and liable, for the influx of poisoned foods, leaded paint on children’s toys and the massive recalls of same products?
Personally, I think we should take a page from the Chinese and put the CEOs on trial. Then, if found guilty of whatever can be thrown at them, sent off to be Bubba’s playtoy in prison.
That just might be enough to start making those same corporations more responsible for what they foist off on the public. Then again, the bought and paid for republicans would only write laws giving those same CEOs public service awards.
What have you done to fight illegal child labor J M Walker?
Or is that someone else’s job? :)
Vaclev havel, the man who led the ‘velvet revolution’ that ended Communist rule in Czechoslovakia, noted that unfettered capitalism was almost as bad as state socialism. Instead, he noted that we needed some sort of hybrid with social guaruntees coupled with capitalism.
And Paul – from what I read most economists recognize that out-of-control trade and budget deficits ARE bad.
Ben, do you know who are the biggest holders of debt in the U.S.?
I think the public holds quite a bit (especially through funds); unfortunately an increasing fraction is owned overseas – notably Japan and China.
I think it is the balance of trade and balance of payments the demonstrate the health of a nation. Ours doesn’t looks so good. Think it was last quarter we reported a 14 % incr. in exports; bad news was that imports increased at an even higher rate.If you’re buying more than you’re earning, it only stands to reason you are exchanging the equity in your assets for the durable goods. Much like the homeowners that kept maintaining a lifestyle they couldn’t finance execpt by taking equity out of their homes. We’re seeing the results of that.
Oh the ever ignorant Paul. Some of the candidates who want to repeal NAFTA are Edwards, Kucinich and Gravel to name a few.
How is it economically feasible to transfer a nation’s wealth to foreign nations? America has a weak dollar which is supposed to aid in eliminating a trade deficit. Despite the dollar being very low we are still running deficits. It happens to deal with Reaganomics encouraging the loss of manufacturing jobs overseas while America returns to becoming an economy based on agriculture.
As a result of America losing so much income we have to borrow more and more money under the borrow and spend Republican government. Foreign nation’s hold a lot of our debt including (as Paul would claim poor nations like) Saudi Arabia, China, Japan and England.
For some reason Paul thinks it wise to spend more money than you earn. If the goal is to be bankrupt and have nobody value your currency. But nobody accused Paul of being well informed and educated.
I suppose Paul thinks if he prays to his sky pixie and zombie Jesus then the economy will fix itself.
The economy can fix itself provided that we repeal the Reagan tax cuts on the rich and bring back the tariffs. That way we can reduce taxes on labor and make up for them with taxes on consumption. If you don’t want to pay more in taxes just don’t buy crap from overseas. However all this would mean less of a tax burden on the middle class and more on the rich so the Republicans would never go for it.
Boy, the blog goes crazy late at night. Wish I had time to join the fray but I’m busy finishing up a computer for the mother of a friend. But keep up the entertainment. I can kind of watch while I’m loading programs.
Spend more than you earn, buy more than you sell. Keeping America Great!
P.S. Deficits Don’t Matter!Debt Is Good!Think I’ve just about covered Republic Economics.
It’s like old home week for me XXX.
Dif is? At least CrusaderX admitted to being a disturbed young man.
Now days you can’t tell the players without a program.
Ain’t it the truth, JR!
I kinda miss CrusaderX and Joe Williams and Ian.
At least THEY were known quantities.
Lately late night?
Blog is like a box of chocolates. Ya never know what you’re gonna get.
Rich getting richer at a faster rate.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/business/15rich.html?ref=business
Looks like lotsa mixed nuts, lol!
You do good work X.
I got a good work project of my own. Hank and Capn are on board.
I’ll write you more later.
I’m watching a History channel deal on Bubonic Plague.
How America whines in the face of much lesser crisis.
Our ancestors were of sterner stuff.
Thats a good show on History Channel JR!! Excellent video!!
The bottom half of wage earners, which probably includes a number of posters on this Blog, pay virutally NOTHING in income taxes.
How in the world can you claim that our tax structure favors the “rich”?
Kucinich and Edwards want to repeal NAFTA? Ha, Space Cadet Kucinich? And didnt someone call Romney a “pretty boy”?
I am guessing that Edwards spends far more, on his hair, than Mitt Romney.
Anyway, your nominee will be Hillary or Obama.
NAFTA stays.
And China?
Who has taken all the illegal campaign money from CHINA?
HILLARY!
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/hillary_clinton_made_in_china/
Hatred of Republicans is not sound policy.
I can find at least one Democrat, that you would vote for, that supports me, on every issue that I support.
Every thing you don’t like about Bush, or the economy, or the Republican Party, I can find a Democrat that believes the same thing, or did the same thing.
True, there are Republican tendancies and there are Democrat tendancies.
However, the Parties basically argue around the margins.
There is general, bipartisan agreement that tax rates must remain competitive to promote jobs and growth.
There is general, bipartisan agreement on free trade.
In fact, I think your hero, Al Gore, debated Ross Perot on that issue, did he not?
And Doug, keep calling God a “pixie” and Jesus a “zombie” if you wish.
God gave you free will.
The Constitution gives you freedom of speech.
However, you serve as a shinning example of the hatred, bigotry and insanity that is the liberal left.
If there are any Democrat officials that agree with your vindictive attacks on faith, they will never say so publicly.
Therefore, Blog readers, look no further than Doug to see what a large percentage of the bigoted left really thinks.
The top 50% of wage earners used to pay 96.3% of income taxes.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes.guest.html
That percentage has actually gone UP since 2003.
The best way to sell autos from a car lot is to have a “sale” on cars.
The best way to sell more at JC Penny’s is to have a “sale” on clothes.
The best way to earn more tax revenue, at the federal level, is to have a “sale” on earnings.
Encourage people to work, they will work harder.
Encourage people to invest, so that jobs are created, and they will invest.
There can be no tax without profit.
Why, therefore, discourage profit?
There can be no tax without employment.
Why, therefore, discourage employment?
Ran off when I took you on didn’t you Econ Paul F Rosell?
You waited til you thought no one was about.
I’m here Paul. It’s my duty to be here.
My dad, he died just about two years ago today.
He taught me to respect people and what they do. He turned down offers of promotion to management because in his environment management saw working folk as an enemy.
You don’t get to creep about in the small hours Paul. Though that is your nature.
I’ll be on you each and every post.
idiots will do what idiots will do.
Get a job, deadbeat!
GOOD!
I have reduced you to namecalling.
What else do you have pauliecon?
What have you ever made paul?
Who have you ever helped? Sans commission I mean.
I do my homework and I know a lot about you econpaulie.
You should be flattered I waste the time.
Ha, it looks like Paul blew a fuse. It’s so funny seeing him throw a temper tantrum when he’s proven wrong. Paul honestly believes that the more money you lose the more money you gain. Paul must think that when Bush leaves us with a $10 trillion debt that America will actually have a huge surplus.
I don’t know if he is mentally unstable or if Zombie Jesus ate his brain. Perhaps it’s some reaction to his medication that makes him have an aversion to facts. Perhaps if he just held onto that tin foil hat a bit harder.
Volume sales is at the heart of RETAIL…. But the federal government revenue department is NOT in the RETAIL division!!
In other words, Econ, TAXES does NOT equal VOLUME SALES!!
Chas
Economics is about pschology, far more than it is about accounting.
Incentives work.
As do dis-incentives.
It does not matter what product, or what service, or what activity you are talking about.
The psychology is the same.
I dont believe I said anything at all about accounting.. You must have me confused with another poster?? I was talking about RETAIL Sales… which we ALL know is all about psychology!!
Psychology is at the heart of Advertising and Marketing, which is the foundation of RETAIL!!