Is President Bush misleading the nation on critical matters of national intelligence? He claimed in a news conference this week that he didn’t know about the National Intelligence Estimate report until last week, even though its tentative conclusions — that Iran had ended its nuclear weapons program four years ago — were available in August.
Are we to believe there was major new intelligence about Iran’s nuclear program but Bush wasn’t told about it or didn’t ask about it as he went on into the fall, ratcheting up the rhetoric about Iran’s nuclear capabilities and World War III?
“That’s not believable,†Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., told reporters. “I refuse to believe that. If that’s true, he has the most incompetent staff in . . . modern American history and he’s one of the most incompetent presidents in modern American history.â€
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“Is President Bush misleading the nation on critical matters of national intelligence?”
Is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear poop in the woods? OF COURSE BUSH HAS BEEN MISLEADING THE PUBLIC!
I don’t know Ben.
Maybe bush is just out of the loop or unfathomably incurious and stupid.
I mean look at that pic. THAT’S a President?
While Bush isn’t much of a reader and lies about reading books that he has never read it’s plausible he never glanced at the NIE report. However that would mean his staff is so utterly incompetent that they wouldn’t mention to Bush about the fact that Iran has no nuke program right before he rants against Iran’s nuke program.
Then again they are neo-cons whose major campaign platform is how incompetent they are.
“Are we to believe there was major new intelligence about Iran’s nuclear program but Bush wasn’t told about it” – Scholfield
What new intelligence is there, Randy? It seems that the NIE reversed itself. Even if Bush knew the “tenative” findings were different, don’t you think that it would take some time to decide whether the intelligence geniuses were correct in 2005 or in 2007? Are they correct now. Given the flip-flop, how can you be sure?
With bush it always comes down to: Is he Lying to the U.S., or Is he really that incompetent? Either way he should not be the leader of our country!
Let’s see Outlander, you have information about a company you’re about to invest in, Some info. is dated 2005 and says the company is in bad financial shape; then you have info. dated 2007 from the same party that says the company is in strong financial condition; which do you give the most weight to? Duh. No wonder you support bush.
No Phantom, the 2007 report in your example would say that we were wrong in 2005 when we said company A was in bad financial shape. They actually had been in great shape since 2003, but we just missed it. But despite our previous incompetence, you can believe our current report without reservation. We know you like to hear that better.
It’s a good thing that the intelligence services can admit they made an erroneous judgement, unlike the president, who would still be hard pressed to think of Any Mistake he’s made. I’ve no problem with people that make a mistake, acknowledge it, correct it, and learn from it. It’s the ones that deny the mistake, defend the mistake, refuse to mitigate or correct it, then make the same mistake again.
That I have problems with.
This sounds just about like what George Tennet said when asked why he allowed Powell to go to the U.N. with info. from curveball, when the head of German Intelligence sent him a memo telling him none of curveballs accusations had been verified. Tenet: “I didn’t see the memo.”
Being as Senator Biden is on the very powerful Intelligence Committee and has access to the same NIE reports as the President does, what is Senator Biden’s excuse for not bringing it up?
outlander,
So, your argument is ‘we were wrong then, so we’re wrong now?’
Please. Like intelligence estimates are EVER used in the formation of policy. Their role is strictly ex post facto: they’re cherry-picked to support predetermined policy outcomes. What this latest NIE means is that the intelligence agencies are sick of getting rolled in order for Bush to meet his policy objectives. Good for them.
But to return to the question at hand, OF COURSE Bush is lying. Duh. His own National Security Advisor says that Bush saw this data back in August or September–yet Bush continued to push the line, bolstered by the ginned-up 2005 NIE, that Iran was pursuing a nuclear threat. They weren’t.
Bush knew they probably weren’t, but rather than tone down the rhetoric, he continued beating the war drums, supposedly on the basis of an earlier NIE that he already knew what have to be substantially revised, if not scrapped entirely.
How many lies does this putz get away with before impeachment is “back on the table?” Seriously. Lying about a non-existent nuclear threat, in order to topple the regime of another country and take over its oil? When does this end?
er Make that Foreign Relations committee for Biden…
“What this latest NIE means is that the intelligence agencies are sick of getting rolled in order for Bush to meet his policy objectives. Good for them.”
That was exactly my reaction too, CF.
This is the revenge of the NERDS–no more quietly pushing their pencils while Worst. President. Ever. blames them for his policy catastrophes.
They’re telling Bush to kiss their collective arses . . .
Regardless of intelligence reports, the last thing we need right now is another war. What BushCo is saying now sounds suspicously like the lead-up to the Iraq war.
My question is, where are we going to get the men and money to fight another war?
Cap’N,
Indeed. Bush thought he’d bullied the intelligence establishment into submission, and now they kick sand in his face. One intimidates spooks at one’s own peril.
Nice to see Max make a completely self-discrediting argument with a straight face.
With Max’s tacit admission that facts aren’t the issue here, everybody should stop pretending that any decision has anything to do with intelligence. Bush wants to attack Iran because Bush wants to attack Iran. Call it a Faith-Based Foreign Policy, if you will.
However, it WOULD be nice for Bush to stop lying to the American people about not having “seen” the report–as if it has any bearing on his decision to attack Iran.
Solomon,
Shoot; where are we going to get the men and money to fight THIS one?
When will impeachment be back on the table? Not likely. Why?
Because the Repubs remember Nixon (biting the bullet didn’t save them in ‘74 and ‘76), and the Dems remember Clinton (they’re afraid an unsuccessful impeachment will backfire, like in ‘98).
Not under consideration by either side: the best interests of the country.
Rage,
No kidding. In response to my constant question, “NOW can we impeach the motherf*cker?” I guess I have my answer. Not that I’ll stop asking the question, even if it is only rhetorical.
Shoot; where are we going to get the men and money to fight THIS one?
Posted by: CF2K | December 05, 2007 at 02:35 PM
Obviously by running the soldiers we have into the ground with multiple rotations to Iraq. And the finance scares me to death. It begs the question:Whatever happened to the REAL Republican party? the one that believed in fiscal responsibility? I remember when we slammed Democrats for being the tax and spend party, with good reason. Now, I think I like “tax and spend”, pay as you go a lot better than borrow money from our enemies the Chinese, and throwing the money away.
Solomon,
As a Democrat, I don’t believe that the Republican Party you describe ever really existed. However, I agree that the current spending situation in Iraq is as ludicrous as it is really, really dangerous.
while I’m not interested in the merits of an impeachment discussion, what do any of you think the results of impeachment would be on our country? Could a thing like that be carried out in the time Bush has left? Would it be worth the division it would cause vs just letting the clock run out and getting Bush out of office?
Solomon,
As a Democrat, I don’t believe that the Republican Party you describe ever really existed.Posted by: CF2K | December 05, 2007 at 02:49 PM
CF2K, It seemingly was a long time ago. There was a time…. But it’s long past now.
In Nixon’s day the party was pretty good, and Nixon was a great president, except for that one huge screw-up. If not for that, he’d be remembered as a great statesman.
Nixon indeed did some things that would have him castigated as a “loony liberal” these days (EPA, anyone?).
But to claim the downfall of Nixon’s presidency was “one huge screwup” is ahistorical nonsense.
The man turned the federal government into his personal political machine (kinda like the current occupant). He illegally expanded the war into 2 noncombatant countries, paving the way for Pol Pot’s killing fields in Cambodia.
He enabled the evil agenda of one Henry Kissinger, a man who makes Nixon look like a saint by comparison.
That’s just for starters.
He vetoed the Clean Air Act and Clear Water Act. And the War Powers Act. All of which were passed over his veto, with Republican votes.
To quote Will Farrell’s character Buddy the Elf in the film Elf, “He is a Cottonheaded Ninny Wuggins”.
The US State Department is packed with liberals.This NIE report was nothing but a political hit piece.Where, in this latest report, does it explain why all PREVIOUS reports were wrong?
More to the point: If Iran DID hault its nuclear weapons program, that decision was done out of fear of BUSH and the American Military!
Bush was briefed in July but forgot:http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/5/what_did_bush_know_on_iran
Yeah right Paul. And there are Commies hiding under the bad.
What’s incredible is how we have such an incompetent pResident of the United States he can claim “I didn’t know” and all the world will believe him. It’s a safe bet George WMD Bush doesn’t know anything.
Published reports indicate (The Big) Dick Cheney tried to keep his boot on the throat of the Iran Report since last summer. Reality, it seems, was not compatible with the NeoCon agenda.
It’s altogether possible Cheney kept the NIE from Shrub and kept feeding him that “World War III” rhetoric.
I was checking out at the grocery store last evening. The Examiner tabloid had a picture of shrub with a huge headline..BUSH BLACKS OUT DUE TO BOOZE BINGE!!!!!
Now, knowing tabloids, it’s possible the “booze binge” did not happen. But considering some of the convoluted rationalizations that come from Cons desperate to defend George WMD Bush, the “he was drunk” defense is probably next.
Econ101,
Well. Took you twenty responses downthread to get the memo from on high, I see.
More to the point: got some proof for the assertion that the “American Military” was the “cause” of the discontinuation of the supposed Iranian program?
Ben,
Indeed. The story never changes, does it? It’s always somebody else’s fault, and that “somebody” curiously always turns out to be a backstabbing liberal.
What will be your next raving, nutjob, response, Econ101?
Actually CF2K – we actually might have had an involvement in Iran discontinuing the self-defense program. After all, their most dangerous and nearby enemy, a US ally, was toppled in 2003. Maybe they figured with their enemy gone and mired in civil war they were less prone to attack by that US allied enemy.
MH,
Indeed. Or that “pretzel” has been stalking him. Or he had another “accident” on his “bicycle.”
Honestly. We have a drunken, front-office running the ship of state up onto the rocks. Bush is Joseph Hazelwood, only less competent.
Ben,
Indeed. We aren’t above taking credit for misdirected indirect consequences–particularly when it’s all we have to show for $1 trillion thrown down a rat hole, almost 4,000 dead soliders, a couple of hundred thousand dead Iraqi civilians, a couple of million Iraqi refugees, and no oil to show for it.
Thanks for the compliment CF, but I didn’t post on this topic.
When did I say the facts are not the issue here?
Lousy intelligence (ie Facts) is the issue here.
It was the same issue during Bill Clinton’s term, and it will be the same issue under Hillary Clinton’s term.
Did Hillary make an error in condemning Iran’s army as a terrorist group based on bad intelligence OR did she LIE?
Heckler, the article brings up Cheney’s involvement, which I’d already suspected, in trying to direct the findings, and delaying the findings. How amazing the V.P. could have been so closely involved and bush be so ignorant. But then we’ve seen that before with the plame affair. Maybe Dick really believes he is a fourth branch of govt. accountable to no one. Good article.
Did Hillary PLAY ON OUR FEARS?
It could be that the threat that Saddam had WMD’s as he claimed, was no longer the impetus for Iran needing to develop a counter balance, once we destroyed Saddam’s reign. I suspect it was that rather than fear of crossing the crusaders.
Was hillary in a position to be briefed on the NIE?
Even if Saddam did NOT have WMDs Iran might have feared that saddam’s ally would give him some – as was done in the past.
What is even more incredible, is the neocons on the board WHO CONTINUE TO DEFEND BUSH.
Hell actual Republican politicians aren’t even doing that anymore.
There is much Bush doesn’t know the list is much too long to post here but trust me he knows much about nothing!
The author of this report is a liar:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/12/nie_an_abrupt_aboutface.asp
“NIE: An Abrupt About-FaceAs many recognize, the latest NIE on Iran’s nuclear weapons program directly contradicts what the U.S. Intelligence Community was saying just two years previously. And it appears that this about-face was very recent. How recent?
Consider that on July 11, 2007, roughly four or so months prior to the most recent NIE’s publication, Deputy Director of Analysis Thomas Fingar gave the following testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (emphasis added):
Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United States’ concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of Iran’s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons–despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.
This paragraph appeared under the subheading: “Iran Assessed As Determined to Develop Nuclear Weapons.” And the entirety of Fingar’s 22-page testimony was labeled “Information as of July 11, 2007.” No part of it is consistent with the latest NIE, in which our spooks tell us Iran suspended its covert nuclear weapons program in 2003 “primarily in response to international pressure” and they “do not know whether (Iran) currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.”
The inconsistencies are more troubling when we realize that, according to the Wall Street Journal, Thomas Fingar is one of the three officials who were responsible for crafting the latest NIE. The Journal cites “an intelligence source” as describing Fingar and his two colleagues as “hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials.” (The New York Sun drew attention to one of Fingar’s colleagues yesterday.)
So, if it is true that Dr. Fingar played a leading role in crafting this latest NIE, then we are left with serious questions:
Why did your opinion change so drastically in just four months time?Is the new intelligence or analysis really that good? Is it good enough to overturn your previous assessments? Or, has it never really been good enough to make a definitive assessment at all?Did your political or ideological leanings, or your policy preferences, or those of your colleagues, influence your opinion in any way?
Many in the mainstream press have been willing to cite this latest NIE unquestioningly. Perhaps they should start asking some pointed questions. (Don’t hold your breath.) “
The latest NIE report does only ONE thing: It proves that our intelligence operations, in this country, have been completely over run by self serving, lying, Democrat hacks!
Earth to Paul – the Repukes are in charge and have been for years. It is their self serving, lying, Repuke hacks who are to blame.
Econ,
You have a source for this? Voter registration records of CIA employees?
Didn’t think so.
Tom – actually Paul was correct – the author of what he cut/pasted from another blog is a liar.
Bitch all you want about the Limbaugh post, but NONE of you can disprove the people Limbaugh interviewed, on his show, or the articles and editorials that Limbaugh refers to:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_120507/content/01125107.guest.html
Remember, Bush is the guy who looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul-mate.
And now Paul wants us to prove negatives since he is incapable of proving his own point.
BenYou guys go nuts when Bush fires a few US Attorneys.
How in the Hell is Bush supposed to fire all the liberal partisan hacks in the State Department?
Nope Ben, I said “report” meaning the NIE report, the author of this most recent report, which is the subject of this thread, is a LIAR!
Just as recently as August, same person said Iran WAS seeking nuclear weapons.
WAH! Paul – the attorney flak happened because he subsequently fired his own appointees because they were not sufficiently partisan. And you know that!
Poor baby Putin-worshiping Bush – can’t even control his own administration. No wonder he admires Putin so much!
Ben,
I was responding to Econ’s 5:08 post, not the 5:06 one. Anything from Weekly Standard is scroll-over territory.
Econ,
Editorials, by their very nature, cannot be disproven. They’re opinion, not fact. And the day I start looking at comedian Rush Limbaugh as an authoritative source is, well, a day that just ain’t gonna happen.
TomThat just shows how small-minded you are.
The world is full of useless facts and useless information.
It takes editorial writers, on both sides, to “connect the dots” — if we are trying to make policy decisions.
The fact is, this is a naked partisan attack on Bush, by people who want to make a name for themselves and hurt Republicans.
Econ,
1. I’m not small minded. I just happen to know the difference between fact and gas-spewing. Sure, opinions are valuable, but they _prove_ nothing, which is the word you used.
2. Boo hoo, Bush can’t handle a partisan attack (if this even is one). I thought he was a big boy now. Boo hoo. I’ll get him a tissue.
3. Why sink to insulting me personally, right out the gate here? You’re better than that.
This is what the lying SOB said to the US Congress:
http://www.odni.gov/testimonies/20070711_testimony.pdf
House Armed Services Committee, July 11, 2007!
Do you nut job lefties think someone got into the Congressional website and changed Fingar the hack’s testimony?
Fingar is a hack.
He is a liar.
Fingar is much like Joe Wilson, the guy who told the CIA that Iraq WAS trying to buy uranium from Niger, then told the NYT that Iraq was NOT!
The State Department and the Intelligence community are over-run with partisan liberals.
The fact is, paul, that this is the professionals finally speaking out with the truth.
By the way – did you ever find Saddam’s WMDs? Wasn’t your hero Bush last seen looking under a sofa on some late-night talk show?
Tom – “You’re better than that”
No he’s not.
OK Tom,
What I posted, above, is a FACT.
Satisfied?
The editorial I posted actually LINKED the Congressional Testimony. In other words, BOTH the Limbaugh link and the Weekly Standard link LINKED the Congressional record.
To save you the trouble, I gave you a second link.
Yea Paul – but you never proved that the professionals were lying.
Now about those WMDs …
You know, the ones “we know where they are” …
Bottom of page 8 and top of page 9, for you folks that have trouble reading:
http://www.odni.gov/testimonies/20070711_testimony.pdf
In JULY of 2007, these SAME people say that Iran is aggressively trying to develop Nuclear Weapons.
What changed, since then?
Bush was trying to get additional support from our allies, and this NIE report is a CLEAR attempt to undercut Bush.
“Nope Ben, I said ‘report’ meaning the NIE report, the author of this most recent report, which is the subject of this thread, is a LIAR!”
There is no single author of the NIE. It is a report that is the consensus of 16 different intelligence agencies.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/biden-bush-either-not-truthful-or-incompetent-on-iran-2007-12-04.html
Learn the facts before making stupid statements. Oh, I forget, that is not how you operate.
“What changed, since then?”
Maybe they grew some balls.
Paul – you said “The author of this report is a liar”
THIS report would refer to the ‘report’ you cut/pasted.
From the post I’d say Paul is way beyond the point on no return in neo-con land. He’ll claim all the intelligence agencies are in cahoots to smear bush, knowing that only those who do the admin.’s bidding will ever receive the medal of freedom.
“Just as recently as August, same person said Iran WAS seeking nuclear weapons” So the heads of all the agencies are sitting back while someone writes a NIE report that doesn’t match what they’ve determined to be true. That is one hard pill to swallow, unless they were all neo–con bush/cheney appointees.
Either that or it’s one of the biggest stings of all time. No one really talked about he Nazi’s deuterium water nor their advances in nuclear science till after the war.
Perhaps it’s a ploy to make the Iranians think no one will be watching anymore when in fact they are waiting to see what comes out of the woodwork.
or not…
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/04/20/e-online-reports-bush-marriage-trouble/
E! Online Reports Bush Drinking and Marriage Troubles Rumors
Jon Ponder | Apr. 20, 2007
Ted Casablanca, the former gossip columnist for Premiere Magazine who now writes for E! online, is reporting rumors that circulated on supermarket tabloids, at BuzzFlash and here at Pensito Review months ago — Pres. Bush is drinking again and Laura has moved out:
Is there trouble at the White House between Dubya and first lady Laura Bush? I hear someone’s headed for a hotel, could she already be there? Hmmm…
“She’s staying at the Hay-Adams. I don’t know how many people know…but it’s probably not many.”
That’s my Desk DeeCee, hard at busybody work, informing me further of what this column has more than hinted at before: that the U.S. Chief of Grief, George W. Bush, has a wife (by the name of Laura, ‘course) who’s so damn put out by the teetotaling Texan’s return to drinking that she had to get outta the White House. Woo-hoo! That be first-class First Lady dish there, my darlin’ goss[ip] lovers!
“She just couldn’t take it anymore,” whispered a former White House staffer who remains superclose to Miz Bush. “She’s had it.”
…Oh, for the official record, neither the president’s press office nor the president’s wife’s press office would comment. Which I find damn insulting, as I help pay those persnickety peep’s salaries!
Paul – DISPROVE CAPN’S POST!
Gossip column reporting – great. :-\
Well that would jibe with how bush looked at his press conference the other day.
He was lit up like New years eve.
Maybe a little snow too?
No worse than Paul’s blog links.
And Paul still cannot PROVE THE DRINKING AND DRUG USE FALSE!
JA MUSIC!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TjG6HeJjv0&feature=related
Legalize it, don’ you criticise it, yah.
I can always tell when Bush is lying. His lips move.
As many recognize, the latest NIE on Iran’s nuclear weapons program directly contradicts what the U.S. Intelligence Community was saying just two years previously. And it appears that this about-face was very recent. How recent?
Consider that on July 11, 2007, roughly four or so months prior to the most recent NIE’s publication, Deputy Director of Analysis Thomas Fingar gave the following testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (emphasis added):
Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United States’ concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of Iran’s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons–despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/12/nie_an_abrupt_aboutface.asp
Otto – sometimes when he is mumbling and slurring his words he doesn’t even move his lips much!
Basically what I said at 6:25, although alot less eloquently, and fewer words.
I believe Bush! Why would he lie? He knows there are going to be millions of people out there who dont believe him anyway, so why would he even care what we think? I think the American people should leave him alone and let him do his job! I just thank God we dont have a coward in office who would listen to us and back down from what this nation needs!
If Shrub knew he’s a liar.
If Shrub didn’t know he’s incompetent.
Take your choice, Bushies.
Exerpt from yahoo news article: On Wednesday, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said McConnell told Bush in August that Iran may have suspended its nuclear weapons program and that the new information might cause the intelligence community to change its assessment on Iran.
McConnell told the president that new information had been obtained on Iran just as the intelligence agencies were about to finalize the report and that they would not be able to meet a congressional deadline for the estimate, she said.
“He (McConnell) said that if the new information turns out to be true, what we thought we knew for sure is right. Iran does in fact have a covert nuclear weapons program, but it may be suspended,” Perino said.”The only thing you can believe for sure, is you can’t believe bush.
Kenny may need a little more convincing, here’s a link to the full article Bush knew in August:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071206/pl_nm/iran_usa_bush_timing_dc_2
How funny bush was told there was new info. on Iran, but uncurious GWB, neglected to ask, “What would that be?”
Being as Senator Biden is on the very powerful Intelligence Committee and has access to the same NIE reports as the President does, what is Senator Biden’s excuse for not bringing it upKansas
That one may be easy to answer, like the NIE of 2002 that the gang of eight was shown. They are under a condition of secrecy, otherwise saying that for them to talk about it outside of the group is illegal. Or so is my guess on the matter.
I imagine the NIE was classified until it was released, biden may or may not have known, but probably didn’t want to go to gitmo, if he released it. Sen. Roberts would like to see those kind of leakers prosecuted (when the leaks discredit the b.s. bush tells you).
Where is waterboy Roberts on this new revelation?
Waterboy Roberts has fled the scene.
I wonder if he jumped ship and got off the SIC when he got a heads up on the Iran NIE back in August, I do imagine he was informed.
Maybe he’ll grace us with another one of his “It’s all partisan politics” diatribes in The Eagle. Can’t wait for his assurances.
Yeah it is really concrete terms you neo-libs use to prove your points! MAY and MIGHT! Extremely solid evidence. DIM WITTS! Iran is dangerous! There is absolutely no evidence that shows they haven’t resumed their nuclear weapons program! They must be dealt with, and you idiots that don’t think so, should go live in Iran. We want Americans in office in our country! Not Islamic extremest, that you people seem to like so much.
Yeah it is really concrete terms you neo-libs use to prove your points! MAY and MIGHT! Extremely solid evidence. DIM WITTS! Iran is dangerous! There is absolutely no evidence that shows they haven’t resumed their nuclear weapons program! They must be dealt with, and you idiots that don’t think so, should go live in Iran. We want Americans in office in our country! Not Islamic extremest, that you people seem to like so much.
This could be an opening at better relations with Iran, First, Bush should issue an apology to Iran. Second, Congress should open up their own avenues with Iran, completely bypassing the Idiot at the helm.
PhantomApologize?For WHAT?
For his false allegations.
PhantomWhat “false allegations”?
Why dont you get Dr. Fingar to apologize?
To the American people.
He is the one that gave two, contraditory, reports, within a very short period of time.
“This could be an opening at better relations with Iran, First, Bush should issue an apology to Iran. Second, Congress should open up their own avenues with Iran, completely bypassing the Idiot at the helm.”
Apologize to Iran? Hey Phantom. What a load of crap. What makes you so sure the new NIE report is correct? Cuz’ it is less concerning? Cuz’ you can use half truths to trash the Prez’? After all, it is the opposite of the last one upon which Bush based his policy. What happened? So, they must have been incompetent in 2005 and in 2007 they are…?
What about the apparently conflicting statements by one of the main authors of the NIE report?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/12/nie_an_abrupt_aboutface.asp
Now, I don’t know what happened to change the intell, and neither do you. And it is just more lib BS to trash the President based on ignorance.
Why did you forget about the WEAPONS grade U and Pu found in Iran????
Yahoo! AlertsTuesday, November 14, 2006, 9:02 AM PST
VIENNA, Austria (AP) The U.N. nuclear watchdog agency finds unexplained traces of plutonium and enriched uranium in an Iranian waste facility.
Don’t expect Europe to bother with this, given how Europe has secretly supplied WMD tech to other Arab countries since the 1950s
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/01/world/middleeast/01vienna.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
so much for “peaceful” useshttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051201281.htm
Why does Iran get nuke things from Germany and other places?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,503865,00.html(Didn’t Germany help other Arab dictators in the past?)
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/IH28Ae01.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080901929.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/16/wsomalia16.xml
Didn’t the UN deny in the past that any African uranium ever went to anyArab country???