Credit the New York Archdiocese for trying to avert more priest/altar boy scandals — though it’s sad it had to come to this. The church recently released a coloring book for young parishioners called “Being Friends, Being Safe, Being Catholic.â€
The book includes a page featuring a young altar boy (with a priest waving in the background) being told by an angel, “For safety’s sake, a child and an adult shouldn’t be alone in a closed room together. If a child and an adult happen to be alone, someone should know where they are and the door should be open or have a big window in it.â€
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I agree with you, Kristin. It is sad, but a sign of the times. I saw the article, too. The good news is the diocese is trying to avoid this horrible behavior. Here in Wichita, anyone working with children have to attend VIRTUS training.
oops, “has,” not “have” (sent too fast!)
The lesson isn’t that adults shouldn’t be alone with children its that priests shouldn’t be alone with kids. And the fact the people continue tithe so that the Catholic church can pay settlement to victims just makes the parishioners supporters to molestation.
Is this window dressing to cover up the real problem?Jesus didn’t throw stones at the prostitute.
The problem with the comic book approach is that in order to actually be useful, said comic book is going to have to get into specifics of molestation, and the church (and it’s members) have real problems with those kinds of specifics. One of the reasons they had such a problem for so long was that none of them could bring themselves to ask the questions of children that would have exposed the extent and severity of child-molesting priests.
Thte line shouldn’t be any adult alone with a child, it should read “any priest should not be alone with a child.
http://www.seeitornot.faketrix.com/funny-pictures-comedy-pics-humor-photos-98-funny-picture-church-stained-glass-window.htm
THAT line…sheesh.
The lesson isn’t that adults shouldn’t be alone with children its that priests shouldn’t be alone with kids.Posted by: Rev Jim
Really, the adult part is appropriate. Or you could just as readily say Republican Senators? I recall over the last few years preachers and deacons from other (spelled ‘protestant’) religions getting nailed for the same thing. Unfortunately the mackerel snappers get the bad rep since there’re as many Caths in the world as the other 47 b’jillion other ‘Christian’ religions.Or like I told my Biology prof when he asked what a synapse was–That’s where the priests get together with nuns to make altar boys.
“rev” Jim, you are posting hateful trash, AGAIN:—–The lesson isn’t that adults shouldn’t be alone with children its that priests shouldn’t be alone with kids. And the fact the people continue tithe so that the Catholic church can pay settlement to victims just makes the parishioners supporters to molestation.
Posted by: Rev Jim | December 17, 2007 at 03:06 AM
—–The total number of priests involved in molestation cases amounts to less than 1% of the total Priesthood.
While the Church has accepted responsibility for the poor way it handled this problem, most Priests have nothing to do with Church administration. They are innocent victims, as well.
And, the VAST majority of Priests had nothing at all to do with molestation cases.
Crayons, coloring books, and covering your bases. Gotta love it.
And DAMN that angel is hot! I’m gonna print that out and color her with strawberry blonde hair and green eyes. Nothing like a little really soft porn to mitigate pedophilia.
1% of KNOWN priestly molestation.
The monetary awards, for even accusing a Priest, are huge.
I am pretty sure that the vast majority of guilty priests have been discovered.
And the total number is very, very small.
Sad fact, the guilty Priests have harmed so many.However, I think that the sexual misconduct of Priests is an issue, due to the hyopocrisy involved, and the harm to the faithful, and to faith.You don’t see near as much negative press about pedophile teachers.
“…a child and an adult shouldn’t be alone in a closed room together.”
So how will Confession be handled? That’s a closed “room”, where a child is alone with an adult. True, physical contact is extremely limited, but what whisperings and “encouraging words” might go on behind closed doors?
I think it’s sad and rediculous that priests must be celibate. Although that wouldn’t stop the NAMBLA actions of those that get off on the sick shit. Any priest that destroys the security and faith of any child needs to be publicly shamed and be imprisoned. Not just the typical Catholic answer for everything, “sweep it under the rug and proclaim yourself to be right and superior”.
Does NAMBLA have a coloring book? All you have to do is take all the safe procautions from the Catholic book and reverse them. Then when NAMBLA has a fund raising dinner for democrats the kids will have something to do when there is more than one ’sitter’ around.
So how will Confession be handled? That’s a closed “room”, where a child is alone with an adult.Posted by: Rox
Granted, it’s been over 35 years since I made a confession, I’d imagine it’s still done in the separate cubicles separated by a 6×8 screen that you can’t even see through. I guess the priest (or penetent) could cut a hole allowing access just like the movie houses you frequent.*ducks* that’s a joke.
4000+ molestings priests seems a bit more than 1% and thats not the worst part of the scandal it the church heirarchy knowing about it and covering it up and moving preists around like some sick game of musical chairs, and the current Nazi pope helped.
“While the Church has accepted responsibility for the poor way it handled this problem”
Talk about turning a blind eye to the problem! The Church spent years working diligently to avoid dealing with the problem at all costs and even now is doing things like selling off properties in poor neighborhoods where help is needed most. The not-so-subtle message? If you force us to pay for our wrongdoing and cover-up, we’ll just pass the costs along to our poorest parishioners. You can bet they won’t sell off any of the Vatican’s riches.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2007/10/nuns-ousted-to-pay-for-sex-settlement.html
http://onelacatholic.blogspot.com/2007/09/cardinal-mahony-evicting-elderly.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-nuns11sep11,0,7490611.story?coll=la-headlines-california
worst part of the scandal it the church heirarchy knowing about it and covering it up
and this is so unlike the prot revs bashing gays while indulging, bilking granny outta her SS check to pay for their corporate jets and multiple mansions, lying, cheating, and stealing on regular basis just because they have God on their side?C’mon, kid, I’ve noticed those that ‘Preach the Word’ the most, need it the worse, and follow it the least.
At least ted Haggard wasn’t raping anybody. Meth and Prostitutes are bad but at least consensual
Ok, ok, we’ll forget about Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Faye, the Orel family….
I really don’t disagree that what those few priests did was wrong, I just think you have a personal axe to grind and are focusing on what others are doing and not looking at what you’re doing. Kinda like the Go pees: “ok, I got caught being naughty but Dem people did it before me and since we did it so much worse, we should be forgiven”.Remember, only Mary could chuck the rock at the hooker.
BTWhttp://ffrf.org/timely/epidstudy.phpfirst in google.
not worth the time to do a real search since we know all the accusations against prots are false and those against the Caths are underreported.
I bet most of the teachers, arrested for molestation, were members of the AFT or NEA.
Do we attack that entire organization for the actions of a few?
Also, I stand by my number. I believe that the number of Priests involved in this is less than 1%.
Serial misconduct being what it is, one bad actor, alone, can cause untold misery.—-By the way, the current Pope is not a Nazi.
In fact, the Nazi’s hated the Catholic Church.
I found the ‘Nazi pope’ comment humorous. Considering all the popes through history this one is actually fairly benign.
The Nazi’s hated the Catholic Church?
http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC.htm
This was at the bottom of the same page that I linked to.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/images/ratzingernaziyouthsalutinghitler.jpg
Oh yeah, this one too.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/ratzingerpix.htm
remnant of god org has very low credibility. Did you read any of the dreck on their pages? Just another bunch of control freaks convinced they’re the only ones with the true answer and everyone else is going to hell.
If Jesus were alive today to see all the nonsense spoken and actions taken in his name, he’d roll in his grave.
I don’t have any comments on what they have to say. It’s irrelevant. I care about the pictures they have shown. Unless you’re trying to say that they’re just doctored up and Photoshopped (which they aren’t).
PS. I don’t believe in “Hell”.
Actually the current Pope was a Nazi, as for the Nazis Hitler and most His inner circle were Catholics themselves
If Jesus were alive today to see all the nonsense spoken and actions taken in his name, he’d roll in his grave.Posted by: ghotiphaze | December 17, 2007 at 02:48 PM
He did more then roll in his grave, he got up and took a walk.
Pedophiles often are drawn to controlling environments because they lack internal control, so they seek external control by membership in rigid societies. The only problem is it doesn’t work. It’s not unusual to see incest and other deviant sexual behavior more in fundamentalist religions or closed societies like the Amish or certain Mormon sects.
As you’ve probably heard, the Pope has asked all the Cardinals to return to Rome. You know how they got them all to come back? They told them that there was going to be a performance by the Vienna Boys Choir
Hitler was a known liar and propagandist.Hitler was more pagan that Christian, he certainly was not Catholic.Hitler developed the whole concept of “The Big Lie” why do you take what Hitler said, as Gospel?
Hitler wanted to kidnap the Pope.
The Pope helped save countless Jews from the gas chambers.
Many Jewish Scholars and Rabbis have praised and thanked the Catholic Church, for Church actions during the Nazi rule.
I agree with another poster, pleefer and Rev Jim: the fundamentalist extremist posts, on this thread, are TRASH!
Here is what a Jewish Rabbi, and Scholar, has to say about the heroic actions of the Catholic Church, and the Pope, during the the Holocaust:
http://www.ignatius.com/magazines/hprweb/bk_dalin.htm
It might be added that more than one of the defendents, at the Neuremberg trials, made it clear that Hitler did not like the Pope. Hitler even ordered that the Pope be kidnapped, but the order was never carried out:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2005/01/16/hitler_plot_to_kidnap_pope_pius_xii_detailed/
If the Church knew about the Holocaust prior to our GI’s finding the camps, as God children, why wouldn’t Rome make a call throughout the Christian world detailing what was going on? That war would have been over two weeks later.
As far as I could tell from the article, Pious was a coward who “hid” the Jews from Hitler. Why was Christ’s surrogate on Earth fearful of Hitler? And like the bullet-proof Popemobile, faith in action.
Smells like bs.
Hitler was a very charismatic, persuasive speaker. Talk about selling air conditioners to Eskimos! He told just enough of the truth and hid just enough to convince everyone to side with him. Once he had his strangle-hold on the country, there were only two types of people left in Germany–Nazis and the dead.You could just as easily state that all Lutherans are Nazis, but I wouldn’t want to take that stand.Nor am I a money-grubbing, war-mongering idiot just because I’m alive during Bush’s administration.Somewhere down the line you have to use a bit of logic and not just leap because some clown with a personal agenda says, “BOO”.
PleeferI am trying hard not to get so angry at you, that I stop trying to persuade you and just let you have it.
I have to ask a simple question:
What do you think Hitler would have done if the Vatican, with no standing Army other than a few Swiss Guards, had challenged Mussolini and Hitler directely, with force?
Those Jews that were hiding, in the Catocombs under Rome, would have died.
The Catholics protecting them would also have died.
By your, sick, perverted logic, the Jews, at Aushwitz, were “cowards” because, under gun point, those Jews led other Jews off the trains, into the gas chambers, and then divided up the laundry and jewelry of those dead Jews. Jewish slave labor also put the dead (Jewish and Christian alike) into the ovens.
What would YOU have done, you pompous, judgemental ass?
My guess is that you just hate Catholics, and the Phoney, False insult against Catholics, concerning the Holocaust, supports your sick bigotry.
My guess is that I care far more about Jewish people, today, than you do, today.
The Catholic Church, during the reign of Hitler, did far more than any other unarmed organization that you can mention, to save people from the ovens of the Holocaust.
By the way, quite a few Catholics and Lutherans and others WERE murdered by Hitler, along with the Jews.
The New York Times is not my favorite rag, but here is what they said, back in 1941:—–”The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas…he is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares raise his voice at all… the Pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism… he left no doubt that the Nazi aims are also irreconcilable with his own conception of a Christmas peace.” (NY Times, 1941)
“If he would have attempted to both criticize Hitler and try to turn the Vatican into a refugee camp, it would have given Hitler all the more reason to attack the Vatican. In fact, the safe zone that he created did in fact save anywhere between 300,00 and 860,000 Jewish lives”http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/church/ChurchPiusXIIHolly.htm#h4
Hitler and most of his inner circle were Catholics, at the very least the Pope could have excommunicated them. Something else to ponder Hilter and even most of his inner circle never killed a single person. But the SS, Gestopo, Camp Guards, Wehrmacht High Command, Industrialists, and many others to help facilitate the Holocaust and other Atrocities were Christians many of those were Catholics, As for the Vatican they might have had some fear of reprisals for speaking against Hitler that doesn’t explain why after the War they helped Nazis escape Europe.
Rev JimHelping Nazis escape?
Try this one:
A Nazi goes to the confessional, distraught over what he is doing.
The Priest says the Nazi must do his best to resist, without endangering himself of his family.
The Priest asks the Nazi to help smuggle Jews out of Europe. In return, the Nazi is promised “safe passage” when the 3rd Reich falls.
Can I prove that his precise thing happened? No. The Confessional is private.
Did it happen? YES, thousands of times!
AndRev JimOf the innter Circle of Nazi’s, NONE were active, practicing Catholics. How do you “excommunicate” people who don’t even practice the Faith? Furthermore, how do you know this did NOT happen? Excommunication does not have to be made public!
The Nazi Defendents, at the Trials, made clear that the Catholic Church was an Enemy of the 3rd Reich.
http://www.holycross.edu/departments/history/vlapomar/hiatt/catholic.htm
Many German and European Catholics had very recent, Jewish roots:”In the 19th Century many German Jews converted to Christianity, almost all becoming Roman Catholics rather than Protestants; they and their descendants then often married Christians. As a result many Roman Catholics in Germany had some traceable Jewish ancestry by the time the Nazis came to power, so that many 1st or 2nd degree Mischlinge were Catholics.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling
So Paul your admitting that the Vatican helped thousands of Nazis escape?
“The Bavarian author demonstrates, in a critical spirit, how Zentrum, the Catholic party, was supported and voted for precisely by Jews, a phenomenon that can be explained by the fact that the Catholic Church condemned the nascent racism and nationalism with great clarity”
“According to the Nazi theory, Christianity’s roots in the Old Testament meant that whoever was against the Jews should also be against the Catholic Church. And ample documentation, gathered by Löw, records Catholics’ assistance to Jews, which angered the Nazis.
The author cites how the Nazis invoked “the unconquerable arm of the spirit of blood and earth against the Hebrew plague and Christianity.”
Löw recounts in detail what Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Joseph Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler and Martin Bormann said and wrote about Jews and Catholics. In particular, Hitler wished to trample the Catholic Church “as one does a frog.”
http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=32525
Again, those who bash the Catholic Church, over the Holocaust or the 3rd Reich, are ignorant, hateful jerks.
No other non-military organization on the planet did more to stop Hitler, and protect the innocent, than the Catholic Church.
JimNo, I did not say that.
The Vatican helped thousands excape. I trust the judgement of the Church, if the Church promised to protect a Nazi, in exchange for the Nazi protecting innocent lives.
What the hell did YOUR religion do, you pompous ass?
The vast majority of those that the Vatican assisted were Jews.
However, those Catholics, Lutherans and others who resisted Hitler were also protected by the Church.
The State of Israel is officially very grateful to the Pope of the time.
Who the hell are you to question the official position of many Rabbi’s and Israeli officials?
The Catholic Church was heroic during this time.
The hierarchy of all stripes of Christianity were less than impressive in their resistance to Hitler. Protestant and Catholic alike had failings, as sad as that is to acknowledge. However, many individual ministers (the grassroots, you might say) were actively resisting and saving lives. Lutheran pastor and author Dietrich Bonhoeffer, whose influence has extended far beyond his life through books such as “The Cost of Discipleship”, was arrested as a conspirator in an assassination plot on Hitler. His anti-Nazi position was not heartily embraced by the hierarchy of the Lutheran church who were afraid the church would destroyed if they resisted. Bonhoeffer later died in a Nazi prison, days before the fall of Berlin and collapse of the regime. I’m sure Catholic historians could cite examples of individual efforts as well.
Catholic Heroes who resisted Hitler:
http://www.holycross.edu/departments/history/vlapomar/hiatt/catholic.htm
“In the Dutch Carmelite community at Echt, Edith Stein’s protection against the growing persecution of Jews was only temporary. While the Nazi policy of exterminating Jews was rapidly implemented once Holland was occupied, Jews who professed Christianity were initially left alone. However, when the Catholic bishops in the Netherlands issued a pastoral letter in which they sharply protested against the deportation of the Jews, the Nazi rulers reacted by ordering the extermination of baptized Jews as well.”
The Catholic Church recognizes this Catholic Nun, who converted from her Jewish Faith, as a Saint.
Pall,”The vast majority of those that the Vatican assisted were Jews.”
I’m not so sure about that; what about all the Nazi war criminals that the Vatican provided with false papers and money through the Peron pipeline for decades after the war?
JedAre you math challenged?
Have you read the estimates of the number of Jews that the Vatican, alone protected?
The estimates are 300,000 at the LOW end, and, perhaps, as many as 860,000. We can not be sure how many of those Jews that the Vatican tried to protect, actually made it out of the country.
However, Since you challenge MY claim that the VAST majority of people that the Vatican protected were Jewish — please give me YOUR numbers?
Do you honestly contend that the Vatican guaranteed safe passage for 300,000 or more Nazis?
Also, do you have a problem with the Vatican offering protection, to a Nazi, if that protection saved thousands of Jewish lives?
Again, bone up on your math skills.
And your research.
I sincerely doubt that you can come up with very many Nazis that the Vatican helped to escape.
Again, do you have a clue what the Vatican got, in exchange?
No, you do not.
So shut up until you know what you are talking about, ok?
Again, the 300,000 to 860,000 estimate is the number of Jews who actually made it to sovereign, Vatican, soil I believe.
The Catholic Church tried to help millions, all across Europe.
Individual Catholics Helped Jews, but the Catholic Heirarchy and organization either helped the Nazis or stood silent while holocausts went on. Not much different than individual catholics abhor the molestation scandal while the hierarchy knew about it and did nothing or worse covered it up.
Rev JimYou are a lying bigot, and an idiot too.
(Most bigots are idiots)
Have you read ANY of my links?Do you deny that Jewish Rabbis, and the State of Israel, have THANKED the Catholic Church, and praised the Pope, for the Church’s resistance to Hitler?
You are wrong.
Being wrong is forgivable.
You have been given the tools to correct your error, but, sadly:
You are also deliberately, hatefully ignorant.
You will have to take that one up with God.
You’re awfully defensive here pauliecon.
It doesn’t take a genius to know that the Catholic church had to have played a little ball with Hitler. They didn’t have much choice. Hitler controlling the entire continent and all.
On the other side of things, Hitler was smart enough not to take on the Church. Too, Italy began the war as an ally.
It is a complicated dynamic that isn’t interesting enough to go into.
It IS worthy of more than your simplistic and defensive analysis.
The above comment was wrong- headed.But there may be hope yet, as it did not seem to be the most hatefull and bigoted post on the thread.That is a prize he usually wins.Grateful he is not trying for it this time.
Pall,”Also, do you have a problem with the Vatican offering protection, to a Nazi, if that protection saved thousands of Jewish lives?”
Excuse me? How exactly do you figure that helping war criminals escape justice AFTER THE WAR saved thousands of Jewish lives?The exact figures are no doubt a Vatican state secret, but Elie Weisenthal’s estimates placed the number of war criminals that escaped Europe after the war through several Catholic Church ratlines at about 10,000. They included such wonderful humanitarians as Eichmann, Barbie and Mengele. Further, these criminals received financial support for decades, funnelled through the Vatican Bank and the Argentine government. Look it up!
Hey thanks Jed.
I hadn’t paid much attention to this thread but I ALWAYS read your posts.
You alerted me to a shot on me by…
yup pauliecon!
The whiner who gripes about me bullying him slides in to damn me with faint praise.
JedA promise is a promise.The Catholic Church saved hundreds of thousands, from the ovens.The work of the Church was facilitated by Nazi government officials, cooperating with the Church, in hiding some of those Jews.The Neuremberg Trials did prosecute someone, in absentia.They could have prosecuted far more, if needed.Your numbers are wrong.However, even if 10,000 Nazis were assisted by Rome (untrue) 10,000 Nazi lives for at LEAST 300,000 Jewish lives seems a fair trade.
But the anti semitic attitude in Europe pauliecon.
What was the biggest motivator of that?
Jews died. The Catholic church survived.
BOTH were in the same place same time.
As I have said, the dynamic is more complicated than your defensive simplicity.
And you pauliecon are not a Jew.
Why do you come to use them and their suffering here?
JedBy the way:
Did you mean Elie Wiesel?OrDid you mean Simon Wiesenthal?
There are probably a few people, in history, named Simon Wiesel and named Elie Wiesenthal. They arent often quoted on the Holocaust, however.
Elie Wiesel, by the way, had a son who was protected by a Catholic nurse:
http://isurvived.org/TOC-III.html
If the ignorant would only read.
Travel upthread, and you will see someone call the Pope a Nazi.
And, again, for those who can’t grasp the argument, there was a CATHOLIC political party, in Germany, prior to Hitler gaining power.That political party was anti-Nazi.That Catholic political party had huge Jewish support, when Jews still had the right to vote in Germany, prior to Hitlers rise.
Elie Wiesel had a rough life. However, he was involved in a hoax called the “Painted Bird” Hoax, which has much to do with the perceptions that all of Europe turned against the Jews. Chomsky and other famous Jewish people have criticised Wiesel, on this point:
“Elie Wiesel played an important role in Jerzy Kosinski’s The Painted Bird (novel) hoax. The book describes Eastern European peasants engaging in incest, drowning, and meaningless violence – such as eyeballs being plucked out. Kosinski shows his deep hatred toward peasants and his complete ignorance about their life. He describes them using the same paint as Anti-Semitic books described Jews.
The real wartime experiences of Jerzy Kosinski were as follows: he survived under forged identity in the family of Catholic Poles in relatively safe and warm conditions. A Catholic priest had issued a forged baptism statement, that was the common practise in the Polish Catholic Church during the WW2. He was reunited with his parents after the war, but he has never showed any gratitude towards his rescuers. According to Kosinski’s biographer, his family survived the war by pretending to be Christians, and this may have instilled in him a propensity to dissemble.
According to Janusz Glowacki, the idea to pretend that Painted Bird is based on his experience came to Kosinski, when Elie Wiesel informed him, that the review he wrote would not be very positive. During private meeting, Kosinski was able to convince Wiesel that his novel is one of the documentary about the horrors of Holocaust. Based on this assumption, Wiesel wrote enthusiastic review, that made Kosinski’s novel famous. Painted Bird was even used during official lessons on Holocaust. This contributed to the false impression, that cruel peasants of Eastern Europe were one of the important actors of Holocaust. Reality was quite opposite: 98% of Jews were killed either in Gas chambers or killed by special squads of German police (”Einsatzgroupen”) formed mostly by city dwellers from Germany.”
http://www.thebestlinks.com/Elie_Wiesel.html
Weisenthal was, originally, persecuted by the Soviets.
The Soviets were allies of the Nazis, at that time, due to the Moletov-Ribentrop treaty.
The historical truth is that the Soviet Union has more to apologize for, than any other nation but Germany, in allowing Hitler to terrorize the world.
Also, MRS Weisenthal survived by pretending to be a Catholic, with the help of the Catholic Church.—-Getting Nazis to leave Europe, as Germany was falling, made sense. It helped in the war sooner. It protected those in prison. Ever wonder why anyone was left alive, in the camps?Weisenthal had ever right to go after the war criminals.The Church, on the other hand, had a right and an obligation to strike the best deal it could, at the time, to protect the most people.—-How many of you think that Saddam Hussein should have been allowed to go into exile, instead of fighting a war to remove him? I hear that, at times, from the left. WW2 had already taken enough blood. Those in Europe just wanted it to end.
And, finally, the United States Government used the Vatican to smuggle out Nazi Scientists that we wanted, in the USA.
Also, some of the Nazis smuggled out of Europe were wanted by the Soviets. I think it was wise to keep them out of Soviet hands.—–”That is, these were suspected war criminals and Quislings from areas occupied by the Red Army—legally US Forces were obliged to hand them over for trial to the Soviets. They were reluctant to do this partly because fair trial could hardly be expected in Stalinist USSR (see Operation Keelhaul). The deal with Draganovi? involved getting the visitors to Rome: “Dragonovich handled all phases of the operation after the defectees arrived in Rome, such as the procurement of IRO Italian and South American documents, visas, stamps, arrangements for disposition, land or sea, and notification of resettlement committees in foreign lands.”[15] US intelligence used these methods in order to get important Nazi scientists and military strategists, to the extent they had not already been claimed by the Soviet Union, to their own centres of military science in the US. Many Nazi scientists were employed by the US, retrieved in Operation Paperclip.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(history)
So the link that Paul provided shows that the Catholic church helped such Humanitarians as Mengele, Eichmann and a bunch of Death Camp commandants escape. BTW Joseph Ratzinger was a Nazi
Ah chihuahua! I must have really hit Pall’s one functioning nerve! He’s gone froom being an apologist for anything Catholic to apologist for things Nazi!Please Pall, take down your photo of Hitler and Pope Pius XI shaking hands in 1933 and put it out of sight. Your constant genuflecting to it has got your brain all scrambled!