Iran, especially under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (in photo), poses an ongoing security threat to the United States. But at present, it’s not a threat that justifies talk of war. That’s the bombshell take-home message of a new National Intelligence Estimate report on Iran’s rogue nuclear program. The report — the authoritative view of the nation’s 16 intelligence agencies — concludes with “high confidence†that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program in fall 2003. That finding is in sharp contrast to a previous 2005 NIE report, which held that Iran was determined to develop nuclear weapons, no matter the consequences. That assessment, it now seems clear, was wrong.
President Bush in recent months has at times described the Iran threat with overheated, hawkish rhetoric, saying Iran’s nuclear efforts could lead to “World War III†and issuing veiled threats of military force.
Many observers feared that Bush foreign policy hawks, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, were laying the groundwork for a U.S. military strike against Iran before the end of Bush’s term.
The chances of that happening are now remote. This report surely removes any basis for a strike.
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Basis for strike, since when did bush need basis for anything, all he needs is his mindless base!
War, war, war! They’re diabolical! They may/could/might get nukes, someday! They’re the devil!
Bush must be running off of his gut feeling again.
How can a reasonably minded person believe anything this President or Administration says about anything? That’s going to be a real problem for them in the time remaining. It’s far too late for bullet proof shoes!
It’s been a bad week for Bushie fraidy cats. First the evil “dictator” Chavez accepts defeat at the polls and now the supposed “threat” of a nuclear Iran is revealed as fiction.
What will Shrub do without his make-believe bogey men? Probably invent a new one.
Maybe we’ll have to attack Holland! They’re determined to force chocolate and tulips on us and make us wear wooden shoes!!
Mahmoud has WMD’s hidden somewhere! Let go in!
“The report — the authoritative view of the nation’s 16 intelligence agencies — concludes with “high confidence” that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program in fall 2003. That finding is in sharp contrast to a previous 2005 NIE report, which held that Iran was determined to develop nuclear weapons, no matter the consequences.”
Well, the 2007 report is less concerning than the 2005 version. I’m sure we all feel better. But why is this one necessarily more accurate than the last? And isn’t enriching uranium a step toward nukes? No one doubts that Iran is currently doing that. Iran is still a big concern, so international pressure and sanctions should continue. Or should we just ignore all of Ahmadinijead’s stated intentions?
MH,
That new “bogey man” will be internal enemies (Read: Liberals), thanks.
WE THE PEOPLE are the next bogeymen. Not just left and right/liberals and conservatives.
Go here and read House Resolution 1955:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955
BOO!!!!
Signed,
The Boogey man
BOO!!!!
Signed,
The Boogey man
Good link Duane.Where does the paranoia end? When McVey blew up the federal building in OKC nobody panicked. There wasn’t any new laws enacted. But since 9-11 the paranoia is absurd. Law after law enacted to make it easier for the government to label and imprison someone for no reason. Do people with brown skin worry Americans that much? We give up our civil liberties, disregard the constitution, and become pawns in the governments “shell” game.
I can’t say that we have been this dillusional in quite some time. The closest we have ever been to this, is in the height of the Cold War. With everyone in Hollywood or that was opposed to the government being labeled “Communist” and dragged up to Capitol Hill to testify before Congress. They even labeled Dr. King a Communist. This is what happens when “radical” Christians get too much power.
thanks. What scares me is that this is PRE-Offense legislation. That can deem anyone a “potential terrorist”. Are we terrified enough yet?
The real problem with this report is that we learned a long time ago that all of this administration’s intelligence(?) is politically generated. We can’t believe this week’s assessment any more than last week’s. We voters are completely in the dark. Bush has broken his trust with the Ameican people for the sole purpose of generating profits and looting the treasury for his friends.
Damn skippy Jed, even die-hard Bushites gotta see that. At least I would hope so.
My point exactly Duane. The latitude that this government has taken is out of control. With Gitmo and now this.
When the prez talks about war with someone over how much knowledge they have……leaves alot of wiggle room. This is just another example of the paranoid society that we live in.
Or maybe, just maybe, those in power have used this tragedy(9-11) to hold power? I know its crazy…..but I just might be right(sarcasm)
Nahhh Mike, there is noooooo way that they would use 9-11 for any alterior motives. Strictly for our safety and for Giuliani’s pet message.
I stand corrected….my apologies Duane.I was way off base in that last post.
Doing my usual late-nite insomniac PBS viewing, saw Bill Moyers’ “Buying the War.”
By now most of us (with eyes open) know the major media–including stalwarts like the NY Times, Washington Post, and even the Newshour on PBS–bought into a neat trick–the WH leaked crap, and then “confirmed” the leaks. Bingo! Two sources!
Rush to war! WMDS! blah blah blah . .
But it MUCH, MUCH WORSE than you even imagined. At the time, I thought I was living in Stalinist Russia–the propaganda was overwhelming. My insistence on a sane outlook told me it COULDN’T HAVE been as bad as it seemed.
But it was.
Oddly enough, two thoughtful reporters from Knight-Ridder watched it all, and tried to report on all the misstatements, errors, and outright lies. They were drowned out by the Beltway cheerleaders.
I suspect that’s why the Eagle (at the time, a Knight-Ridder newspaper), opposed the war. They had access to reality.
And it appears–finally–that we do too.
heheh, what’s sad (and I’m ashamed) is that I voted for Bush both times.
The guy is a literal dipshit!WASHINGTON – President Bush said Tuesday that the international community should continue to pressure Iran on its nuclear programs, asserting Tehran remains dangerous despite a new intelligence conclusion that it halted its development of a nuclear bomb four years ago.
ADVERTISEMENT”I view this report as a warning signal that they had the program, they halted the program,” Bush said. “The reason why it’s a warning signal is they could restart it.”
Japan could restart a world war, maybe we ought to invade them just to make sure they don’t.
And, how can we be sure of Germany? Can we afford to take the chance?
The righties stay away from these threads like they are contaminated or something. All they have left is immigration and welfare. Now those are issues they still have passion for. That is until they have to figure out what to do with the children of illegals that were born in this country. Or they need to actually think about a different way to help the poor. Then they will go back to hating the gays. They are an easy target. They are just sinners. And you know how Christians hate sinners.
Google: Problem/Reaction/Solution
It seems that most Christians are good and decent people but hate facts.
It does seem that way, Duane. But reality is quite different. That lion seems nice, until you seem him kill an antelope.
Or until the pretty, red fire engine runs over the puppy?
For God-fearing folks they sure are scared of a lot more than God.
Me, I used to be a studious and resolute Christian but have been for the last three years a deist, so I can qualify my distrust of the “average-don’t practice-what-they-preach-judgmental Christian”.
I don’t know why I added that, maybe just to not be that harsh on Christianity per-se, but just the blatant hypocrisy in death dealing and warring that doesn’t seem too “Christian”.
Duane,Just looked over hr1955. Thanks for the link.I’d be willing to bet that this legislation will never be used against violent anti-abortion fringe groups or dominionists, but non-violent peace activists will get investigated all the way into Guantanamo.
heheh, what’s sad (and I’m ashamed) is that I voted for Bush both times.
-Duane
Its okay Duane, Bush did not run on the WMD in Iraq issue in 2000. It was not even on the radar screen.
Most righties defended him and the decision to go to war with Iraq in 2003 just because they confused patriotism with support for their own party. That has proved to be a sore point now. Should be a lesson to us all about political party loyalty.
That said, the decision to go to Iraq was seriously flawed. The decision to stay there is not. Its a complicated issue.
I don’t want to bet against you Jed. And rfl, I did confuse it with PATRIOTISM! (emphasis added) But around late 2004, my eyes opened up to things and I took The Red Pill. Dammit, now I am stuck.
Sure WE editors, give the Left a red meat thread on bush’s baseless assertions for starting WW3, but don’t give the Repubs. a thread on the Republican debates! How bias can you be?
We can’t afford to wait for the ’smoking gun’ to be a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv! Bush needs to go in and have a little Look See.
Here is your thread on the Republican debates…….God God God Mormon God God God. Illegals gonna kill you Illegals gonna kill you Illegals gonna kill you 9-11 9-11 9-11 Welfare Illegals Welfare Illegals 9-11 9-11 Hate the Gays Hate the Gays 9-11 9-11 Illegals Illegals 9-11 9-11 Osama Osama Gays are gonna get your kids Gays are gonna get your kids 9-11 9-11 God God God Illegals Illegals I love torture I love torture 9-11 9-11
There happy now?
Best of wishes to you Duane on the other side. I guess I can’t blame you.
Our leaders need to make decisions that are supported by proven facts. That is a country I can be proud of.
No, you left out Hillary! Since the RW is soo underrepresented on this thread, I felt it my civic duty to post for them, at least until tomorrow when they’ve had a chance to listen to their favorite commentators.
It doesn’t matter what the report says….Bush either can’t or will not read it. Bush wants another war we cannot win because he thinks it will make him popular. Cheney needs to get his people in control of more oil.
Right-o rfl and thanks. But I must axe what is “the other side”? No, seriously, I’m ill-informed.
Oh wouldn’t we had looked really dumb had we invaded based on faulty intel.
Oh wait…
Maybe he could use; If nothing else, we might find Iraq’s missing WMD’s, and in any event Iraqies are no less deserving of freedom and democracy than the Iranians were. We would be greeted with flowers and candy.
Mike,
That’s some funny stuff thar, ah tell yew whut…
Thank you very much CF2K. I will be performing nightly with 7pm and 10:30pm shows. Be sure to tip your servers and bartenders. They are working hard for you!
“Right-o rfl and thanks. But I must axe what is “the other side”? No, seriously, I’m ill-informed.”-Duane
By saying that you took the red pill, does that mean you became a Democrat? I guess I am the ill-informed one. I figured that you switched from GOP to Democrat that’s all.—–
Ahhhh.Nope I’ve been a registered Libertarian for about 5 years, before that, I was Republican. I’m saying that when “I took the red pill”, I found that both sides are essentially the same. They give us pointless issues to bicker over ie; abortion, gay rights, evolution and they ignore the dying of our currency, the dismantling of The Bill of Rights and losing our national sovereignty. I’ve just wanted to follow the constitution and when that happens everyone in every “group” is covered with a blanket of freedom.
Welcome back to reality Duane. Once you take the blinders off that are issued to every registered Republican you see that the economy and other issues are more pressing.
The right keeps their “sheep” in line with these fringe issues. Issues that can only divide and not be solved. So that they can continue to loot the treasury and abolish the Bill of Rights.
I completely agree with you Mike but…to me, the Left has been issued a blue pair of blinders as opposed to the Rights red ones. I agree with the idea that if (whatever is) your pursuit of life, liberty and happiness doesn’t take away from my pursuit then we are working together. Someone being gay or vegan or carnivore or whatever doesn’t interfere with my life, so do what thou wilt. Just don’t force your opinion on me.
If left to the Cons, America would be “lilly white” with a church on every corner. No gays, blacks, mexicans(except their housekeepers), or people of middle eastern decent. They would constantly be opening a new war front, and would not allow poor people in their country.
My question is……where is the fun in that?
(marks thread to remind Libs later when the time comes Iran is shown who they really are)
:)
Lefties
If Iran is calling a time out, of some sort, on developing nuclear weapons, it was:
War with Iraq
and
Removing Saddam
That scaired Iran into changing course.
However, the “intelligence community” — notably the US State Department, is FULL of Leftists who opposed Reagan and Bush 1 at every turn.
Those liberals now are trying to undermine W.
You liberals are complete hypocrites.
You say that Bush only looks at intelligence reports that agree with him.
Look what YOU are doing?
Libya gave up terrorism, right after we captured Saddam.
Perhaps Iran did the same thing, but it is WAY to early to tell.
By the way, if Iran is having second thoughts, It is probably just a waiting game.
They will wait for a Democrat in the White House.
Another Carter.
Another Clinton.
That is what Iran really wants!
Isarel still wants war:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/22534.html
Paul – does not a sovereign state have a right to have a self-defense? And has not Iran been attacked by a hostile neighbor and its ally in recent years?
The CONS, there is the real problem! The Neo-Cons have conned all of the Christians that they are “one of them”. Nevermind that these same people all gather at Bohemian Grove and do the gayness and “mock” ritual human sacrificing that’s going on there. And nevermind that Republicans are getting “outed” left and right in rather “unseemly” situations these days.
Lord Gawd.. another LIE trying to start another WAR. Except this time his LIE caught up with him first. I cannot wait to get rid of the Republicans. May we never be cursed by them again!
If we can do Iraq for Israel, why not Iran?
Check out this photo of Bush – it is one that should be kept for its historical value.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16870691
I am guessing this is how 6 yr old Georgie looked whenever mother Barbara caught him lying.
Robinson on fear-mongering as a political strategy:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/03/AR2007120301619.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
outlander:
“Iran is still a big concern, so international pressure and sanctions should continue.”
Of course, Miguel. I recall reading Richard Armitage’s definition of Bush/Cheney/Rice diplomacy: ‘Hey, f**kers, do it our way.’ Why that noble approach should work every time, right?
I agree with those above who note that it has not been a good week for Bush – and it is only Tuesday.
BenThe leader of Iran has said some very hostile things about Israel.
The leader of Iran wants to destroy Israel.
We should take him at his word.
Bush doesnt want Iran to produce Nukes.
Some people say Iran is not producing Nukes.
How is this a “loss” for Bush?
“Here is your thread on the Republican debates…….God God God Mormon God God God. Illegals gonna kill you Illegals gonna kill you Illegals gonna kill you 9-11 9-11 9-11 Welfare Illegals Welfare Illegals 9-11 9-11 Hate the Gays Hate the Gays 9-11 9-11 Illegals Illegals 9-11 9-11 Osama Osama Gays are gonna get your kids Gays are gonna get your kids 9-11 9-11 God God God Illegals Illegals I love torture I love torture 9-11 9-11-” Mike
Since we are doing infantile stuff, here is the liberal counterpart.
Bush lied-can’t prove it /Christians bad/ evolution is God/ God is dead/Bush lied-can’t prove it/ Guns suck/ military bad/ Chavez good/ All censorship bad/ Bush lied-can’t prove it/ Hand out good- hand up bad/ abortion good/ Bush lied-can’t prove it/ Surge is not working/ Taxes very good/Bush lied-can’t say how./Impeach
Who cares if Iran is producing nukes anyway. What makes those of us who have them right? Are we just “more restrained”, not chaotic, insane brown people? Israel says the same harsh rhetoric about Iran, should we fear them? We’ve said harsh things about the Chinese and the goods they produce…yet we still buy them. Should we go ahead and blow up evryone? If we did, wouldn’t that be “what God demands”? I can’t stand that a lot of …ummm… people want to “fulfill prophesy” and create that Armageddon crap. Last I checked, America wasn’t a theocracy.
”
Bush doesnt want Iran to produce Nukes.
Some people say Iran is not producing Nukes.
How is this a “loss” for Bush?”
Posted by econ.
Isn’t it amazing how the bush backers, under no circumstances, fail to see just what an incompetent leader this fool is? Bush wants to bomb Iran. He said so many times in the past. The stupid democrats that signed the release so bush can bomb Iraq just boggles the mind. Didn’t these morons learn anything from Iraq?
This president is going to go down as the one who divided this country as it has never been divided before. He has brought religion into the mix, something the founders made clear they didn’t want happening.He cherry-picked intelligence reports in order to invade Iran. He’s increased the deficit every year he’s been in office. He’s as useless as tutus on chickens.
bush has not moderated on Iran.
Not one bit.
He is still the drunken cowboy looking for a fight in his press conference this morning.
Iran?
Iran is just about zero threat to the United States.
Iran is only a minor threat to Israel.
As an American. I’m supposed to care about a minor threat to Israel….why?
I don’t blame Iran wanting nukes. They have US forces on their northern and western borders.
Hey wingers? Let’s play this.
I live next door to you. I don’t like you. I have a gun.
My brother lives across the street from you. He doesn’t like you either. (My family is genetically anti con) He also has a gun.You are not allowed to have a gun. You don’t NEED one.
Honest!
Welcome to life in Iran’s shoes.
JMThe Deficit is actually going DOWN and not up. You are wrong on that one.
JMWhen did Bush EVER say that he wanted to “bomb Iran” — give me an exact quote. If you cant find the words “bomb” and “Iran” in same sentence, then he did not say it even once, let alone “many times” as you claim.
JM”Divided as NEVER before”
HUH?Guess that the Civil War was just a little misunderstanding.I guess that LBJ deciding not to run again, was due to something OTHER than national “division.”
JMEVERY President in our history has relied upon Religion, both to gain votes and to govern. You are an ass if you claim otherwise. After Bill Clinton lost an election for Governor, he made it a point to join a church which televised its services. He made it a point to sit where he would frequently be on television, in Church.I am not making a moral judgement about what Clinton did, but he did it.I, for one, want a President who believes that there is a Hell. I dont want anyone who holds the “nuclear button” to think that the button can pushed, without ETERNAL consequences!
JM”Cherry picked Ingelligence Reports?” That is a bald-faced lie.
Hillary Clinton, who had the advice of her Husband, a former President, said even harsher things about Iraq and Saddam than Bush. Where did Hillary get her intelligence reports?—-Liberals in general, including the Eagle:
Arent you “cherry-picking reports” if you pay attention to ONLY the reports that YOU agree with?
And again, if Iran changed course, WHY did that happen?
If a Democrat were in the White House, Iran would probably already HAVE nukes!
Right, JR.
I’m wondering to whom Iran is so “dangerous.”
The mighty US who spends more on military destruction than the entire world combined?
I don’t think so.
Israel maybe.
But then they could try a little harder, couldn’t they?
Econ,
You are dangerously deranged.
Why didn’t Iran get nukes during the eight years that Clinton was in the White House?
CapnIran was affraid of Reagan.
Iran is affraid of Bush.
Iran laughed at Carter.
Iran laughed at Clinton.
If this latest intelligence report is correct, Iran stopped its nuclear bomb program right after we invaded Iraq.
Is that just a coincidence?
I don’t know if it is a coincidence or not.
When did they START their nuke program?
Actually, the Iranian revolutionaries who took our people hostage weren’t so much AFRAID of Reagan as that they saw him as an ally.
Reagan was the guy who negotiated with the terrorists to keep our people hostage until AFTER the election to help insure a Carter loss.
what WILL econ paul do with himself when bush shuffles off into post office shame?
Will he become bush’s personal footman? His self-affirmation toady?
His love for bush and all things bush is like a sort of mental illness.
CapnAmerica is referring to the original “October Surprise”. Good show man! I believe McCain sang, “Bomb Iran” in memory of the Beach Boys. And he and Bush are one in the same, minus McCain’s stance on torture. I’m laughing now…I gotta know where you are getting your numbers on proving the deficit going …er..down. Where is that money coming from to pay it down? Our income tax is there just to pay the interest on our deficit. We owe the Chinese so much now for their financing of our wars that they (in REALITY) own America. Why do you think that we still buy the goods? Oh yeah, we publicly chastise them for the lead-laden toys, but it was Mattel that took the blame (themselves). The credit crunch? The popped housing bubble? Does any of this sound like a good economy? If there is a Hell, GWB and his dumb, blind sycophants and his religiously stupid followers are taking us right there, real fast-like.
Bush says Iran could START their nucular program again….
Maybe….
Then again, Bush quit drinking some years ago… But, he COULD start drinking again…
Or has he already??
Are you one of Capn’s followers Duane?
I’ve noticed the word “sycofant” being used the past several months by the regular Libs.
Evidently, there is a commonality in the Web sites you read to gather information.
Right Duane… and just how is it that we are supposed to pay for this Insane War in Iraq??
Kansas… SOME people dont have to look up obvious things… We leave that to you and your bunch!! LOL
I always knew what it meant Chas.
I have a keen eye for repeated phrases and words, always had that ability.
Were you trying to correct my spelling?
Sycofant? It’s sycophant, but thanks.
I’m not a “lib” Kansas, nor do I follow anyone. I read real news, not Fox, CNN or any alphabet soup drivel. I come to this site only because buying the useless paper is not on my to do list. And I still have hope in my fellow Kansans and want to hear what you all have to say. Maybe Capn’ has a need to be truly informed as well.
Oh yeah, here’s a link for you:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sycophant
Actually, I remember reading ’sycofant’ from history. Perhaps people misspelled it back 200 years ago as well. :)
I suppose it’s like theatre and theater, depends on the country or nationality one became adapted to the word.
You sure do write like a Lib though. Same philosophical and ideological values.
Or do you prefer the word progressive? :)
Every baseball announcer uses the phrase, “Swing and a miss…” What does that pattern tell you??
Try again, Kansas!!
Semantics…heh.
I have always voted Republican because I thought they represented me. I’ve found that they just resent me. After I got screwed enough times with the hand outs on both sides, I gave up and became a Libertarian. For the longest time, I was God, Guns and Country but the Republicans talk too much and get caught doing the things that they berate the “Libs” for. And the Dems just want to make us a Socialist country. But then again you can check history and read that Nixon did more to socialize this country than even FDR did. I just try and be the “Devil’s Advocate” on every issue. I suppose I’m just an iconoclast at heart.
If we were talking about baseball or some thing with standards terms, yes Chas.
But on a forum with very few people…I don’t think so.
“I don’t blame Iran wanting nukes. They have US forces on their northern and western border”
Well hell JR, then why should we complain about say Russia giving Iran a nuke or two? To hell with the nuclear non-proliferation agreement. Let’s give everyone get a “gun” and we can have us an old fashion end of the world shoot out.
You libs are noted for accusing Christians of trying to make end days prophesy come true. Well, if you don’t get your head out of the sand when it comes to dangerous regimes, you are doing your part.
Then God’s Will be done, outlander.
Isn’t He directing everything that is going on now anyway?
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn’t the most dangerous person in the Middle East. He’s not even the most important man in the Iranian government.
Do TRY and be serious outlander.
Iran has and will have absolutely no capability like you describe any time in the distant let alone near future.
They have no ballistic missiles.
They have no intercontinental bombers.
They have no ballistic missile submarines.
They have no surface ship capable of launching a ballistic missile.
Those things I just listed ‘em NOT having? Ya kinda gotta have them to be a major player.
Let alone a threat to the US.
And before you speak of them handing a nuke to a terrorist, I expect you to call for our southern border to be closed. Otherwise that’s no serious arguement either.
Oh and if Russia or China DID want to give Iran a nuke?
I don’t think we could stop it.
We, well SOME of us are forgetting.
A first generation nuke like Iran might or might not build?
It’s a very clunky thing.
We and the Russians had 60 years to perfect the art of nuclear weapons. You can’t relate what Iran might build to what WE have.
They haven’t even test detonated yet.
An Iranian nuke that would actually be worrisome? That’s likely decades away.
We could evolve beyond our dependence on oil in that time.
We could convince the Israelis that they don’t have to have that EXACT piece of ground by then.
Lots cheaper than war.
Yea, We do need to put a coalition of pressure and sanctions on Irans nuclear enrichment program, but at the same time we need to deal with the War on Terrorism differently. First we need to stop calling it a war, its not a conventional war with defined battlegrounds and enemies. Its a continuing conflict. We need to stop sensationilizing terroism, whenever a terrorist attack, the media plays it out like a pop song and gives the terrorist exactly what they want, attention and fear. We also need to be more civil with our muslim relations, we’ve made more enemies in the past eight years than friends. Lastly we need to cut 65% of our troop levels in Iraq, and leave the remainder in Iraq, with 65% home that leaves fresh legs for future rotations to keep the tours shorter. The remainder of the troops in Iraq should be for just managment and security, they should leave Iraqi forces to activley pursue insurgents. Give them the dirty work, so our soldiers would have the luxury and time to teach them the job. We can’t just slap countries like Iran on the wrist and make them change, we could forcibly make them change with war, but thats exactly what would ruin this country is putting more financial strain on us, plus spreading our miltary so thin that they would have to start a draft. The way you make them change is a mob mentality in a civil sense. We get the U.N. and a coaltion of the willing (lol) to non-violently monitor and regulate their nuclear programs.
Plus we might have to give Iran some incentive, like some trade agreements or things of that sort, things that would benift Iran for the good, if they abide by regulations. You have to at Iran as a rowdy teenager, you have to work pretty good angles to get your way with them.
Iran’s leaders want to destroy the State of Israel.
Mammoud has said so, repeatedly.
We should take him at his word.
Israel is a fact of life. It is a tiny little sliver of a country with no oil.
The Palestinians have NEVER had a country of their own, ever.
Every other Arab or Moslem state has kicked the Palestinians out, because of their radical leadership.
IF there is ever a Palestinian State, it will be created through a treaty with Israel.
The Jews have as much claim to that area as the Moslems or the Christians.
It is the radical Moslems that wont negotiate, becauae they want to kill all of the Jews.
It is the radical Moslems that broadcast hateful propaganda to their own children, with cartoons that glamorize and promote hatred of Jews.
However, American liberals always “Blame America First” or “Blame America’s Allies first”.
And the hateful racists in American WANT Iran to blow up Israel, so they tells:
“It won’t happen”
— While wishing that it will!
There are a lot of nuclear weapons around and only one nation in history who’s actually used ‘em.
The NeoCons’ fear-mongering conveniently ignores that Jerusalem is a holu city not only for Christians and Jews, but for Muslims, too. No Muslim nation is gonna nuke Jerusalem, especially a non-Arab nation such as Iran.
You anti-semite liberals tell US it won’t happen —
While wishing that it does!
The Iranians have as much rights as any other country to pursue nuclear technology as a means for electrical generation, we should at lease respect them and offer them advice rather then threaten them.Some people just don’t know how to make friends.
WisemanThe Iranian President wants to destroy Israel.
We do not need that kind of “friend”.
The Iranian Government is a “State Sponsor of Terrorism” according to the U.S. State Department.
You are a ranting loon econ.
Then God’s Will be done, outlander.
Isn’t He directing everything that is going on now anyway?
Posted by: Duane | December 04, 2007 at 07:44 PM
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Duane, no, I don’t believe that. God’s will is not always done on this earth.
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JR: Iran is doing all it can behind the scenes to undermine the stability of Iraq. It sponsors terrorism. It has an unstable leader bent on destroying Israel. And you just shrug at the idea of them getting a nuke. That’s what I mean when I say head in the sand.
Outlander
Research the Manhattan project. It was an undertaking equal to the scale of the Apollo moon program. It took the scientific and other resources of the entire United States to produce 2 bombs.
Yes, Americans were pioneers and there ARE scientists likely for sale loose in the world with some useful knowledge.
A nuclear weapon is NOT an easy thing to do though. A useable nuke even MORE difficult. AND Iran has no missile to deliver it.
I’m jumping in whether the water is fine or not. I have something to say.
I have heard from my friends stationed in Iraq. Say what you will, read what you will, but some of the explosives (not all, I wouldn’t claim that) that are being used and planted along the roads are coming from Iran. There are markings on the materiels used and ways to establish the origin.
For whatever reason, Iran has decided to be our enemy. They are killing American men and women in Iraq. To be fair, I even considered putting myself in their shoes – what if it was Mexico being run by Russia? Would we not fight back? Maybe, but I doubt we would LIE about it. We would boldy tell the fuxs to get out of North America. Not so Iran. They lie and deceive. For this reason, they cannot be trusted.
Besides shipments of weapons intercepted by Israel bound for the terrorists, and besides the Beruit Bombing being accomplished by terrorist sponsored by Syria and Iran, the Iranian leadership has chosen to paint America as the great SATAN. We are on billboards as such throughout their lands.
Give them a pass now, but be very, very careful. Do not make war, but do not make friends.
They have to prove themselves as peaceful. Look on the bright side. More than likely, the next event will occur under a democrat in the white house and a democrat controlled congress.
Then we can get on the blog and blame THEM!!!!!
What was different from Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. is that his Dad didn’t want a War in Iraq, his invasion into Iraq was out of necessity because of Saudi Arabia, then after we made our statment, we pulled out. Bush Sr. didn’t want to get tangled in a War that would have no clear ending. He was more about peace keeping, and containing conflicts into minor things. Thats exactly what we should be doing with Iran except to be more pro-active about it. War is supposed to be a last resort, if everything else fails first.
….according to the U.S. State Department.
I have an honest question Democrats:
How many of you PRAISED Bush Sr. for not going into Iraq?
How many of you got mad at others for complaining that Bush Sr. did not “finish the job” and remove Saddam?
That used to be a pretty common liberal complaint about Bush Sr.!
The State Department Under Clinton also said Iran was a State Sponsor of Terrorism.
Eagle Beak, you’ve got some good points there, that also means we need better relations with them, they don’t view us very well, and we don’t view them in very good light either. The biggest thing for them, they need to be able to read, and learn, and educate themselves as a country and we need to promote that, we’re never going to be viewed in good light by them, if they are ignorant to everything and they eat all the anti-American propaganda up. In countries like that we’re having serious problems with, it would be better to provide Humanatarian aid of some sort to earn browine points, I’m sure Iran has some people in poverty or something, it would be better to cut some aid from an African country thats not too bad off and use that on Iran, or the U.N. could do this.
That used to be a pretty common liberal complaint about Bush Sr.!
No it wasn’t
“…the Iranian leadership has chosen to paint America as the great SATAN. We are on billboards as such throughout their lands.”===========================
I Love that one.. We say that about ALL of the Moslem radicals.. And yes, they DO say that…
BUT —
WE do the exact same thing to them… Listen to Glenn Beck; Sean Hannity; Rush; Savage; Levin; Boortz… ALL of them call the Radical Moslems the Great SATAN…. And include the Fundamentalist Christians in that too!!
Cant anybody see what we are doing?? They call us the Great SATAN… Because in THEIR religious world view… WE ARE… And so is anybody else that refuses to accept their belief system!!
WE respond to their theology, with threats of WAR… They want to talk religion… WE want to send in troops, and take them over, and try to convert them to Democracy (something that we dont even have)!!
It’s a poorly played game of Semantics we are playing… If Bush would get some experts on Islamic religion and history working with him, he would learn that… But, he wont do that, because of his closed mind… So, instead, he just tries to twist this new NIE to fit his own twisted mind!!
Hey, I complained that Bush Sr. took us into war with Iraq the first time around… And then I really complained when a bunch of righty tighties griped because he didnt “finish” the job… Because they, like Bush JR, dont have any idea what “finish the job” means!!
I respected Bush Sr… I just thought he was wrong to attack Iraq because of Kuwait… I thought the Saudi’s could handle that one all by themselves..
BUT, then with that Bush/Saudi family tie, I suppose it was inevitable!!
Folks like econpaul have caused a lot of grief over the years.
And why should we believe that econpaul is any differently motivated here than he is in any other thread?
Oil. That’s what econ is about. With a dash of religion thrown in.
The liberals said there weren’t any WMD in Iraq and they turned out to be right. The liberals said there wasn’t a nuclear weapons program in Iran and they turned out to be right. Maybe people ought to start listening to the liberals we, unlike the tax/spend/kill conservatives keep on getting everything wrong. But I guess there’s some gay person trying to burn a flag at a stem cell research center so we must go crazy.
Doug, that stem cell research thing is getting REAL OLD… I heard a bunch of really right wing propaganda the past two days on that research… all of it lies…
And then I heard something that finally made sense… Those embryos they are bitching about are all FROZEN…. How long can human life “live” if it is FROZEN that hard for that long??
AND… the only stem cells they are using are the ones that nobody wants!! What in the name of heaven is the complaint??? They are DEAD anyway!!
Oh yea, and besides that, most all of those who complain about the stem cell research?? They dont believe in In Vitro fertilization anyway!! Just ask them!! They believe that is WRONG… But yet they want to preserve what they already believe is WRONG to use??
Like I said, makes no sense!!
it would be better to provide Humanatarian aid of some sort to earn browine points,
Oh my goodness! Max would have a field day with this.
Turn-the-other-cheek crap! A day late buster and a few billion dollars short. They make Osama Bin Laden dolls in the muslim countries. Think G I Joe.
And you think by spreading a few “humanitarian dollars” we will promote the good will with the muslim people!
The muslim daily life: Is an exact opposite of our democratic way of life. Women wear clothes over ALL their bodies! Women cannot walk, talk, ride, drive, think, or anything without their human males approval! That’s just ONE example. But the clash is on buddie!
Ha-ha!
Here is an example: US Marines, and the Navy responded FIRST to the Typhoon in Bangladesh last week. As I’m writing – US forces are FEEDING and SAVING victims in that god awful poor and miserable muslim country.
Meanwhile: Their political leaders talk bad about us.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200410/19/eng20041019_160761.html
And the CHINESE assholes of all people are making fun and publishing propoganda about it!
I don’t see China, Russia, Iranian, or even Indian ships and sailor saving the people in THEIR AREA OF INFLUENCE!!!
Nope! It’s the goofy Americans in their relentless quest to help others, but bound and determined to be spit on by the recipients.
And why not? Don’t we teach our own miserable unemployed to EXPECT the gubbermint to pay?
Katrina anyone?
Amway, the Hate America crowd is alive and well inside America, even in the heartland – Kansas.
Blame the US for all of the problems all over the world.
Not sure where these people come from.
Iraq and Iran (back when Rumsfeld was selling chemical weapons to Saddam Husseain, remember) fought an 8-year war to a stand-off.
The U.S. military wiped out (”Mission Accomplished,” remember?) in a couple of weeks. If you are Iran, and you know madmen such as Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Shrub are willing preemptively invade nations halfway around the world with no provocation, you might sell some weaponry to people in Iraq who might oppose the U.S. occupation. And just how is that all that different from every shell, rifle, airplane, and and tank deployed by Israel against Arabs being provided by or funded by the United States of America?
If some Middle Eastern army invaded Wichita and occupied Wichita, people such as “Nathan,” and “Hank,” and “Econ101,” “American Way,” and “Max” would take out their concealed weapons and fight like hell to get rid of the invaders. They’ve promised us as much.
So just how are our defenders of the homeland all that different from the “terrorists” who are, essentially, defending theirs?
Iran: government interfered with by US.
Iraq: government interfered with by US to address previous government interference in Iran.
Iran: Interferes in US propped up Iraqi government.
See a pattern here?
Hey Monkey Hawk.
You are right. Both sides being equal.
Now it’s up to you. Kill an American – or kill an Iranian.
Your choice. But you have five seconds to respond.
There’s only four countries large enough to be a threat to America: China, Russia, India and Indonesia. The last two wouldn’t even consider it and Russia’s military and economy is way too weak. China has enough manpower and their military and infrastructure in financed by U.S. debt.
Iran, Iraq? Those two countries have never been and never will be a threat to a country our size. The only way a foreign country that small could defeat us is if we occupied their countries in a long occupation that drained our finances to the point we became bankrupt and couldn’t afford to maintain a military. Only a President that is absolutely incompetent and corrupt would do something that stupid.
MonkeyHawk, The terrorists don’t own any countries, thats the difference. The terrorists aren’t defending a country, their defending extremeist religious views, and actually their not defending it, their trying to spread it aggresivly. The only problem we have in dealing with them, is that we made it tougher than it actually should be.
Just a quick peak tonight.
This post caught my eye.As the world shrinks and gets smaller as our global communications, transportation, and economies collide – we are going to clash with the muslim world.
Women are subservients. Muslims cut your hand off for theft. Muslims lash you for speaking against their God allah. Muslims kill women who commit adultery.
Folks, we are going to have to take a stand someday. In the last few years, we have just faced the tip of the iceberg.
The worst is yet to come.
Is there a right or wrong? Do we fight for our beliefs eventually?
We will NOT make friends. We are satan and animals to the muslim world. They have already – already sworn death to Americans.
They are not going to back off.
Are we?
Doug, you got that right
Kitrell, some have already surrendered.
Others, like Doug, are blind to the threats in this world, thinking only large countries pose a threat to the US.
They choose the reactive approach. Way for an attack, and if it’s bad enough, fight back then. Or surrender, depending on how tough things are.
Wait.
Kitrell, its a little extreme, a few muslim countries are westernized a bit, and they are not that much of a threat. Yes they all have extremists that hold anti-American views, but their whole country isn’t like that. You deal with the terrorists as a seperate issue, we shouldn’t call a whole country a terrorist state, when the whole country is not a terrorist state, you’ll find its usually a small number of people in power making all the noise and posing the threat, not the citizens.
Oh really Max? How were countries like Iraq, Iran, Panama and Grenada threats to America? Within a 24 hour time period we could bomb these countries to oblivion so how are they a threat? You seriously think Iranian tanks are going to be patrolling Kellogg?
China and Mexico are a FAR greater threat to America than Iran or Iraq.
One we allow unfettered trade. The other we open our borders to.
In light of that? Fearmongering about Iran is a joke.
You’ll find that most citizens in those countries aren’t to differnt than us, their too worried about making a damn living than to waste their energy attacking people like the fanatical religious bums do. Terrorist are a minority compared to the rest of the muslim population, and we should be working on bettering our relations with the muslim countries instead of fearing them all as terrorist.
Hey Max, what country has Iran started a war with in the past 200 years?
Tiny North Korea, with a single nuclear device, was a threat.
Are you totally dense?
Oh Max you are melting down.
What the heck does North Korea have to do with this thread?
North Korea, the country that is broke and the people die of starvation? If they invade they’ll tear into McDonald’s have hold up the lines.
Yeah, big threat there.
They don’t need to invade. They don’t need to conquer. They can destroy America with a handful of nukes.
Go ahead, take the reactive approach. Even KC isn’t a likely target, so you will probably be ok.
Don’t worry. Be happy.
Once Iran gets the nuclear bomb, five thousand Iranians get together with ropes and levers and they . . . what? . . . heave it at us?
Max, when you war mongered stole money from widows and orphans to fund your “napalm flavor of the month” club, at least the old Soviet Union had the capacity for actually destroying the US.
Iran couldn’t even take out Iran. In EIGHT YEARS of trying. And they were right next door.
Sheesh. Get a grip. Not every tax dollar need be spent to keep Des Moines safe from Iran . . . .
Once Iran gets the nuclear bomb, five thousand Iranians get together with ropes and levers and they . . . what? . . . heave it at us?
Max, when you war mongered stole money from widows and orphans to fund your “napalm flavor of the month” club, at least the old Soviet Union had the capacity for actually destroying the US.
Iran couldn’t even take out Iran. In EIGHT YEARS of trying. And they were right next door.
Sheesh. Get a grip. Not every tax dollar need be spent to keep Des Moines safe from Iran . . . .
Correction–Iran couldn’t even take out Iraq.
And the double post was entirely the fault of this laggy, laggy site.
I only hit the post button once.
Doug — There was that little matter of the 8 year war with Iraq, but I dont remember if Iran or Iraq started it…
Well, long day today…
Good Night; Good Luck; and God Bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
MERRY CHRISTMS!!
“Hey Monkey Hawk.
“You are right. Both sides being equal.
“Now it’s up to you. Kill an American – or kill an Iranian.
“Your choice. But you have five seconds to respond.
Posted by: “American Way”
Gee, “American Way” –
You’re really, really afraid, aren’t you.
Frankly, I haven’t had an opportunity lately to “kill an Iranian.” I’ve come across a lot of Americans, however, so the oppotunity is there, I suppose.
The question I’m left with is just why should I be compelled by the idiocy of the President of the United States to consider killing anyone?
Your hypothetical, “American Way,” transcends reality.
And it’s about as sophomoric as asking, “If glob monsters from Planet Neptune arrived and you could either kill them or Charlie Manson to save the Earth, who would you kill?”
Jeez.
When you people get faced with the idiocy of your ideology you really stretch credibility.
Back to your question, “American Way.”
“Kill an American – or kill an Iranian. Your choice.”
If the American were Charlie Manson and the Iranian were just some guy, I’d shoot Charlie. It the Iranian were a mother-killing father-raper, I’d probably take him out.
Unless, of course, the American were you.
Then I’d toss a coin.
Bush has been lying to Congress and the People on Iran just like he lied about Iraq/Afghanistan! We’ve waged war (at great expense of life and taxes) against two little mideast countries, what’s another one? or two…. or……
Impeach and jail that slimy sucker!
Chas,Iraq invaded Iran because they were financed and supplied by America as payback for kicking the Shah out.
“Most Righties” were not alone, almost the entire country was still caught up in the blood lust. Only those with the inside track had a clue of what was really going on. The rest of us just could not imagine that the President after our country had been attacked would take us in such a wrong direction.
Whut the frick, man. Iran isn’ so badass as them Bolywood types what gotta find a way to look better’n our writers on strike makes out.
And that’s the truth.
So git it right this time, druggy heads. There ain’t no such place as Iran. It’s just a pigment o’ yer homogenation.
Anyways, yer all a buncho lyers, layers, liars, whatever.
Chicken poop, anyways. That’s what y’are.
Hillary — pant, pant, pant — the answer to all our prairs. by gumball — she’ll rip them muslim buttholes a new one. Now, my teddy bear ain’t named Mo, but dam he’s bloodthirsty lookin’. Maybe he otta be.
Listen up, jackasses. You fancy yerselves smartr’n a horse in heat, but you ain’t got the sense to whinny yer way outa trouble. Blah, blah, blah — insult after insult. Whatta buncha goddam pissant dumbshits.
Ain’t nothin’ written above gonna change a goddam thing. Don’t any of ya’ll quitcher day jobs.
Love ya
Sadim
““Most Righties” were not alone, almost the entire country was still caught up in the blood lust. Only those with the inside track had a clue of what was really going on.”
True enough, Dog. Once again, I highly recommend “Buying the War” (it’s available on DVD). Here’s to courageous voices like Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul–the pressure to conform to the official script was ENORMOUS. But not just from Bush and the compliant media. It was reflected back, with a fury.
It came from US (well, okay, not ME–I thought it was factually-unsupported crap from the outset–but I was in the minority, and caught serious HELL for my views).
One can almost understand pols like Hillary etc., for crumbling under the pressure. We demanded an insane, unprovoked war, and they gave it to us. Ain’t democracy great?
And now, a relevant BLAST FROM THE PAST:
“An internal study commissioned by NBC executives had expressed grave concerns that if war began, Donahue’s show would become ‘a home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity.’”
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030324/nichols
Phil Donahue, of course, was fired from MSNBC shortly afterwards.
” Many observers feared that Bush foreign policy hawks, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, were laying the groundwork for a U.S. military strike against Iran before the end of Bush’s term.The chances of that happening are now remote. This report surely removes any basis for a strike.Posted by Randy Scholfield ”
The basis for a strike hasn’t changed. Iran has never posed a threat to the United States, but still poses a threat to Israel’s PNAC plan of killing-off the Arabs and stealing the oil.
You can tell who’s been ‘Hannitized’ on this thing. “Blame America First”, “America Haters”…balh, blah, blah. No one is blaming America or average Americans, bad policy is bad policy.
Sadim,You are hilarious.
Hahaha, j/k bro you aren’t funny, but you are a dip shit. No really, trolls like you are fooking slime.
“A nuclear weapon is NOT an easy thing to do though. A useable nuke even MORE difficult. AND Iran has no missile to deliver it.”
http://www.missilethreat.com/
JR: Iran claims to now have a missile with a 2,000 KM range (1,200 miles).
Call Iran’s bluff! Surprise them with a much publicized face-to-face high level contact.
On the other hand, until Bush can correctly pronounce “nuclear”, “Iran” and “Iraq” in English, he shouldn’t try to promote this saber-rattling. ;)
Thanks the conversion.
My metric to antiquated English units is rusty this early.
1200 miles.
Iran is about 8,000 miles from the US.
The first American bomb required a 4 engine superfortress bomber for deployment.
Iran is a LONG way from putting a warhead on a missile.
Threat level from Iran to US zero.
Forseeable future threat zero.
They don’t need to invade. They don’t need to conquer. They can destroy America with a handful of nukes.
Go ahead, take the reactive approach. Even KC isn’t a likely target, so you will probably be ok.
Don’t worry. Be happy.
Posted by: Max
More than likely it will be populous blue city in a blue state. As long as we are upwind and upstream, we should be o.k…
Using the criteria we use to judge Iran, we should be planning to go to war with about half of the planet. Of course that changes when you factor in whether or not a country has oil.
Lets pretend we’re all Republicans. Crawl under the bed, liberally wet our panties, and fear that everybody is out to get us.When you go to the polls next year, remember: all Republicans have to offer us is war, war, and more war.
I wonder if Darth Cheney is being treated for severe depression after the release of the NIE?
Heard Israel was pretty pissed, they’ll probably be firing a few moles!Saw a headline about bush demanding Iraq come clean on their nuke program. Are all nations beholden to the demands of the U.S.?
North Korea recently tried to help Syria with a Nuclear Weapons plant.Israel bombed that plant.It is entirely possible that some North Koreans were killed in that Israeli attack.The “Axis of Evil” is real.
Gosh pauliecon I bet you’re right!
Get under the bed immediately!
“liberally wet our panties”
Yeah, they don’t call us liberals for nothing!
Things that make ya go hmmmm…..
Kenneth Timmermann, the author of the excellent book “The Shadow Warriors” writes:
A highly controversial, 150 page National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran’s nuclear programs was coordinated and written by former State Department political and intelligence analysts — not by more seasoned members of the U.S. intelligence community, Newsmax has learned.
Its most dramatic conclusion — that Iran shut down its nuclear weapons program in 2003 in response to international pressure — is based on a single, unvetted source who provided information to a foreign intelligence service and has not been interviewed directly by the United States.
The State Department is full of leftists, and it always has been.
Nothing the State Department does can be trusted.
I want Israel to strike the Iranian Nuke facilities.
Then, Iran will have to explain why these sites are emitting unusually high radiation levels.
So will the U.S. State Department!
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/travis091207.htm
Paul, do you seriously believe anyone to take you or the Republican party seriously on matters in the Middle East? You guys were wrong about Iraq and the WMD and you were wrong about Iran and their nuclear program. So keep on telling more lies. I’m supposing if you pull enough paranoid conspiracy theories out of your ass one of them may eventually be right.
So far you have a lousy track record.
“You guys were wrong about Iraq and the WMD and you were wrong about Iran and their nuclear program.”
How do you figure Doug? Was the administration not relying on the most current report? The NIE report in 2005 said, Iran is developing nukes. The NIE report in 2007 says, no, they’re not developing nukes, they quit in 2003. Which is correct, BTW? Same report. 2005 was incorrect. Could 2007 be too?
Doug, where have I been wrong, today?
Not once!
Also, George W. Bush did not say anything about Iraq that was not, also, said by:
Bill ClintonHillary ClintonAl Gore
— ALL of which had seen classified reports, under both Democrat and Republican Administrations.
Doug
And if North Korea said that they were not helping the Syrians with a nuke facility you would believe them.
“They divided on the three-month-old Senate vote to designate Iran’s Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization — a resolution that only Clinton supported among the Democratic candidates.” NPR News
Hillary lied to us about the Iranians!!!!!
When Bush kicked the weapons inspectors out of Iraq Clinton and Gore weren’t in office so they couldn’t make any official decisions based on their conclusions that Iraq had no WMD. Therefore it’s a moot point and ignores the fact that they told the Bush admin they had no WMD and Bush ignored them.
A year ago the intelligence report on Iran came out saying they had no nuke program and again the Bush regime ignored the results. I suppose this will be blamed on Clinton as well.
As usual more lies from the conservatives. How many more people must die for lies like yours Paul?
Duh, it was a stupid vote by Clinton. How does that matter? Perhaps if Cheney had released the NIE report the votes would have come out differently.
Has anyone answered the question about which country Iran has invaded in the past 200 years?
Somehow conservatives don’t like answering questions that make their positions look stupid. Facts just get in the way I suppose.
Iran actually has a rather peaceful history.
Ethnically, they are mostly Persians and not Arabic as most of the rest of the mideast is. Theirs is a remnant of an ancient country.
If we weren’t always trying to run their country, overthrow their government or invade their neighbors they MIGHT not give us any grief at all.
“Has anyone answered the question about which country Iran has invaded in the past 200 years?”
And that is relevant because….?
Maybe we make our own problems with these people outlander?
Outlander, if you hadn’t noticed in the past months the neo-cons are trying to advertise Iran as an aggressive threat to America. I’m sorry I have to point out current events to you. If a country has a predisposition to being aggressive you should be able to see it in the nation’s history.
Paul – if I were to bomb Wolf Creek it would emit a lot of radiation. Does that prove that Westar is making nuclear weapons?
I’m sure even a freshman econ student knows better than that.
If Israel DOES attack Iran; I hope Iran strikes back. And you can bet they will this time unlike the last time the US attacked them.
Nuclear Delivery Vehicles:
Semi-truck, driven across the Mexican border.
Cargo ship, entering any port in America.
Missile nor Jet Bomber are required to bring a nuke into a weakly defended American border.——————————————————————–National Intelligence Estimate Reports:
Was the State Department wrong in previous National Intelligence Estimate reports for 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and correct in 2007?
Or was the State Department wrong in the National Intelligence Estimate report for 2007, and correct in previous reports in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006?
I feel real confident in the latest report.
Hey Max?
CLOSE the border!
I KNOW you know that. But to argue that we need to proactively attack Iran while we have a wide open border is ludicrous and backward. It’s like trying to protect your house by making sure NO ONE has a weapon and then leaving all your doors and windows open.
Yup, you got that right JR.
Neither political party is pushing for the border to be closed.
Locking the door isn’t the only thing that needs to be done to maintain national security, but it is a big step.
Bem
Why would Iran need deep underground bunkers, using centrifuge technology, for a simple nuclear power plant?
An even better question: Why does one of the world’s largest oil producers NEED nuclear power at all?
Paul, I know this is a shock to you but oil is a limited resource. Also, America is one of the top producers of oil in the world and we have numerous nuclear plants.
Is it a hobby of yours to look foolish?
Well hell if I was Iran I’b be building bunkers too. To HIDE in.
Two of their neighbors were invaded and occupied. What would YOU do?
I’ll answer #2 first Paul – they know the resource is limited. You learn that concept in Econ 102.
As for the bunkers perhaps they recognize that such facilities can be targets of terrorist attack. Just like a nuclear facility here can be.
Centrifuge technology is required for nuclear power. Either that or gas diffusion. Didn’t you already know that? It is taught in Nuke101.
Oil a limited resource? I’ll agree that it’s unsustainable but we aren’t going to run out for a few hundred years. i don’t buy into the “peak oil” thing. They claim that in order to keep prices up.
Pleefer – how much petroleum geology have you studied?
“i don’t buy into the “peak oil” thing.”
Ignorance is bliss.
I haven’t studied any geology. I guess I’ll shut up on the matter.
Anyone notice that Pleefer is Refeelp backwards?
Now I know I’ve met my match. What does refeelp mean? And wouldn’t refeelP be more accurate?
I forgot to mention to Paul before I left for work that the nuclear plant that Iran has was given to them by America back in the 70s. So he can ask what Iran needs with nuclear power if they have so much oil but if some new technology is being offered to them that can help industrialize the country then why refuse?
I think we should call off the war when Iran becomes the USA’s 52nd state, right after Iraq. Everyone thinks Bush is about oil when he sees something only a few of us do. If we dont do something now, then a Dem will come in to office and our nation will not be secure at all. Bush is just a present day Winston Churchill trying to worn us and save our country from terrorists. (mainly the ourselves!)
Google “building an atomic bomb.”
Wait a minute! Don’t!
Because if you do, you will “gain knowledge” of how to build a nuclear weapon and, according to George WMD Bush, be a target of an unprovoked unilateral attack.
Typical Bush rhetoric: he’s no longer fighting a war against a real threat against him; he’s fighting a war against *knowledge.*
I gained knowledge on how to build a nuclear bomb from my high school science book. I guess that makes me an enemy combatant now.
Bush would have known this if he actually paid attention in school. Well, he does claim to have used “the google” but he claims to have read “three Shakespears” as well.