I’ve been seeing quite a few campaign signs at Wichita intersections for Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning GOP presidential candidate who has been setting Internet fundraising records. Though his campaign is still a long shot, it’s clear that there are a sizable number of citizens who, as the Washington Post described them, “are increasingly disillusioned with the two major political parties’ soft consensus on making government ever more intrusive at all levels, whether it’s listening to phone calls without a warrant, imposing fines of half a million dollars for broadcast ‘obscenities’ or jailing grandmothers for buying prescribed marijuana from legal dispensaries.â€
What would Paul think of Wichita’s efforts to force sexually oriented businesses to relocate?
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No Kidding?!
Ron Paul posts his signs on public property, almost exclusively.Petty complaint, perhaps, but I don’t see many of his signs on private property.
Ron Paul seems a decent guy, himself, though he is wrong on national security matters.
What bothers me most, about the guy, is the people that he attracts. Maybe not his fault, entirely, but they seem a bit on the fringe.
Could it be that most active libertarians all support no drug enforcement laws?
About 90% of the Libertarians I meet are people who want drugs legalized.
The other 10% are very extreme anti-government in almost everything.
Yet Ron Paul thinks it’s government’s business to get involved in a person’s medical decisions. Hypocrite.
Heres the thing people both left right and in the middle dont trust our government. And why should they, it wastes obsene amounts of money(our tax dollars) its programs are infective and expensive, 90% of what the government does could be done better and cheaper in the private sector.
All for Change, if there are blue signs all over campus, things have really changed since I was a student there from 1968-1973 and 1977-1979. Now, if the signs are in front of fraternity/sorority houses, that’s a bit different. But, in 1972, e.g., there were no campaign signs (whether for Nixon or McGovern or various other elections) that I recall on the main campus at all, and emotions were quite high “back in the day”.
When is it appropriate to put out the signs? I thought you have to wait so long.
Oh and the new law is bunk, I hope Operation Southwind loses everything.
Ron Paul is right about Iraq.
Nothing else.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. That puts Paul half way between a broken digital and a wind up time piece.
That said? The way his party treats him over just this one issue is telling. Republicans are lock steppers.
How can I get some of his signs? I’d display them proudly. He is the candidate I support!
Joe Lieberman is right about Iraq.
That said? The way his party treats him over just this one issue is telling. Democrats are lock steppers.
J R,
Indeed. Ron Paul is the proverbial stopped clock. Right on Iraq, scarily wrong on everything else.
And he’s taken $500 from Don Black, the White Supremacist head of Stormfront.
http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/25/rpb1/
One is known by the company one keeps, no?
Let’s not get to concerned about the signs – it is America after all.
Wrongo Nathan.
Lieberman departs from the Democrats not just on Iraq but in his slavish support for most of the policies of george bush.
It’s really very simple. As a liberal, I expect Democrats to treat bush no better than the Republicans treated Clinton. Lieberman aint down with that.
Nice catch CF. Ron Paul, candidate of White supremacists and Chuck Norris. Wheeeee!
Chuck Norris?
Chuck Norris endorsed Huckabee.
Oops I stand corrected. Mixed my nuts. I stand corrected. Huckabee is even nuttier than Paul.
You don’t like Chuck Norris?
Chuck Norris has the acting talent of a bag of dried beans.
Other than that, I’m sure he’s cool to hang with….
Ron Paul is right about more than Iraq, but I remain wary of him. I’ve encountered too many self-described Libertarians who are ardent opponents of government power in some areas, but are oddly inconsistent on it, in ways that are sometimes frightening.
I haven’t really studied Paul, as I see little chance of him winning the nomination but, in my experience, Libertarians are reliable allies for (most) free speech issues, and (for the most part) search-and-seizure, some privacy issues, are usually strongly anti-war (and tend to be isolationist, for that matter).
Two problems: (1) Libertarians tend to put the Sacred Right to Buy Shit at the top of their most cherished values, and other tend to fall by the wayside
(2) There plenty of self-described L’s who are either massively inconsistent on basic liberty issues, or simply conservatives-in-disguise, who want to “free” themselves and their own from government oversight (all while stomping the boot down harder on the rest of us).
There’s the little matter of balancng the budget by dismantling the government. Conservatives have deliberately run up huge deficits with this goal in mind, and I have no doubt Paul would cheerfully help them.
Mention Ron Paul and, oh, my, my, how the pigs do squeal.
Reminds me of that film “Deliverance” along with the promise not to tell anyone?
Listen to yourselves….shame, shame.
Ed,
Excuse me. Ron Paul took money from White Supremacists, did he not?
I think that says something about Paul, whether you like it or not. And if you don’t think this matters, Ed, it may say something about YOU, too.
I think Rage gets it right. Scratch a liberatian, and often as not you get an IOKIYAR authoritarian, for whom rules are for other people.
I’m not a Ron Paul fan but I bet if he knew that someone contributing $500 was a racist, he probably would just return the money.
Do the candidates really have to do a background check on everyone who contributes $500 to a political campaign?
Non-story.
outlander,
Read the above link: his staff was notified, and never responded. Back in 1989, even the GOP condemned David Duke when he tried to run for President.
Here’s a nice picture of David Duke, by the way, with Don Black–the head of Stormfront who gave Paul the money.
http://www.davidduke.com/
If one is known by the company one keeps, outlander, I’d say Representative Paul has some explaining to do and some money to give back–if he doesn’t want to be known as someone who owes Neo-Nazis a political favor.
Newsflash for CF2K
I saw a guy looking up into the night sky and suddenly realized he was trying to find the alien ship which had abducted him.
You just never know about some people :}
Ron Paul has been absolutely right on Iraq, is right on Iran, is right on the budget. His feelings about Iraq and the budget are shared by Republican luminaries such as Chuck Hagel. He consistently votes right on taxation issues while we have alleged conservatives such as Tiahrt and Brownback voting for all the pork that can be ladeled.
He doesn’t want to build more prisons to lock up more drug users. That should be a lesson for supposed libertarians such as Charles and David Koch to learn.
The only problem I have with his libertarianism is his anti-choice stance. I don’t know how he can rationalize that and he’s an obstetrician.
He has been a consistent critic of NAFTA and WTO, treaties that have created our immigration problem and contributed to our imbalance of payments and budget deficits.
This is from Wikipedia on Paul:
9/11 InvestigationPaul supports reopening investigation into the attacks to discover why the Federal Bureau of Investigation did not act on 70 internal field tips: “We had one FBI agent, I think sent dozens and dozens of memos to his superiors saying that there are people trying to fly airplanes but not land them, and nobody would pay any attention.” He would also investigate why the various intelligence agencies could not collaborate on information to prevent the attacks while spending $40 billion per year. He has called the 9/11 Commission Report a “charade”: “Spending more money abroad or restricting liberties at home will do nothing to deter terrorists, yet this is exactly what the 9-11 Commission recommends.”
There is really little difference between most Libertarians and most Republicans. You can listen to Neal Boortz who is a Libertarian spokesman on the radio and not tell the difference between him, Hannity and Limbaugh on most issues (Boortz does favour abortion rights and gay rights however).
I just like Ron Paul because he gives actual answers, he dosen’t beat around the bush during debates, most of his answers are logical, and while I don’t agree with every single one of his views, I do agree with his resolve about some issues, like leaving the fedral government out of morality laws, and leave that for the states to decide. Hell, Ron Paul is the only fricken canidate on both sides that voted against the war, while Obama couldn’t vote, he was more for the War. I like the debate he had against Rudy, about the War, Ron Paul dosen’t want the country to take an isolationist stand point, he wants to take a pro-active non violent admends with other countries, and do business. I don’t want our country to remain a police state, here and abroad, theres no reason to try and control the destiny of foreign countries, if we would like other countries to change, you have to do that in a better way. You know the old saying you catch more bees with honey than vinegar. During the debate against Rudy, thats all Rudy could retort to, was 911, and we don’t negoiate with terrorists. Rudy sounds like a Bush clone. Mitt Romney has the personality and wit of a dead horse, any other R canidate isn’t even worth mentioning. I’m not sure if I’m voting for Paul, be he’s the only stand out canidate that I see so far. Just because Libertarians want to have rights, dosen’t mean we want to do away with all the laws. I’m sure Ron Paul wants to keep heroin illegal, I’m sure Ron Paul wants to keep Ak-47 assault rifles off the streets. The only differnce is that the two major parties are guilty of looking at every issue in black and white. While the libertarian party sees all the shades of grey, and guess what, Ron Paul is running as a Republican on a classic GOP conservative platform, what happened to the real Republican Party, is went by by 30 years ago, it was basically hi-jacked, government spending and power is bigger than ever, thats not very conservative in my eyes.
Ron Paul is definitely the only Republican candidate that actually espouses the traditional philosophies of the Republican party.
His philosophies are probably similar to the ones that drove your parents or grandparents to be Republicans way back when.
WhiteElephant is right that those are not the viewpoints of today’s GOP
REad Ron Paul busted McCain who had stated that he just got back from spending thanksgiving with the troops in Iraq, and their message was “let us finish the job”. Ron Paul shot back, “You have to ask yourself why an I the leading fund raiser from on duty military officers and personnel?”
Do the candidates really have to do a background check on everyone who contributes $500 to a political campaign?
Non-story.
Posted by: outlander | November 28, 2007 at 04:57 PM
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HYea, sure, Outtie… When it was Hillary’s campaign funds, you thought she should know the origin of every penny!! Shows what you are made of!! LOL
Maybe Ron Paul needs the endorsement of a violent B-actor and a wife beater like Hucklebee to prove his Jesus cred.
I don’t think the Stormfront donation makes the guy a Nazi.
But. . . why do Nazis. . people who believe in full-on, intrusive government. . want this guy?
I’m not drawing any conclusions. I haven’t even looked into it.
Ideas, folks?
“Hell, Ron Paul is the only fricken canidate on both sides that voted against the war, while Obama couldn’t vote, he was more for the War.”
Are you talking about Afghanistan, WE? Because Obama was vocally opposed to invading Iraq, at the time.
Not sure what his position was on the phony “war on terror.”
I dont believe if I was a Candidate for President, an ordained SOUthern Baptist Preacher; I would WANT a violent actor endorsing my candidacy… Yet Huckabee embraces that stuff!! Doesnt jive to good with his “theological” background..
“One is known by the company one keeps, no?”How true, I tell people I post to the WE blog and they ask why I would want to hang around a bunch of Political losers? I tell them that there are real Americans on this blog. They say sure but do they know who won the last survior?
A few weeks ago a political commentator said “ Paul and Kucinich are the only ones speaking the true. And they are kooks! What does that say about the voters, did Nicholson have it right? “YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!”.
BTW even if I have to write him in, I will be voting for Ron Paul.
But what’re we gonna do, “writerdog?” –
Those who tend to be conservatives know Ron Paul speaks the truth. And those who tend to be liberals know Dennis Kucinich speaks the truth. And the astounding thing is, on the big issues, Kucinich and Paul *agree!*
Think about this for a moment:
The leftest of the leftists and the rightest of the rightists *agree* on the big issues that face Americans these days!
Go figure.
Hey, Monkey — I wonder what might happen if somebody were to suggest that Kucinich and Paul put their heads together, and see if they could possibly come up with a 2008 ticket and run together??
Could make for a most interesting Campaign Season??
A question for Texas Observer, isn’t Wikipedia the site where something can be posted and someone else can alter it? There are too many instances where a leftwing nut posts something on Wikepedia, then another embellishes on it and finaly another leftwing nut posts it somewhere else as fact. It is a fact that Wikipedia is not a reliable source for facts.
Monkeyhawk, even I do not see much of a chance for Ron Paul even though he has a growing following.He will be a spoiler, pulling some from both parties. It is sad though, the majority of the other candidates strike me as having the same moral imperative as a teenage boy trying to convince his girl friend they should take advantage of her parents not being home.
“HYea, sure, Outtie… When it was Hillary’s campaign funds, you thought she should know the origin of every penny!! Shows what you are made of!! LOL” –Chas
Chuck, you want to provide evidence that I thought Hillary should know the origin of every penny? Oh, you just made that up? That’s what I thought. Nice example to your flock Chuck.
And let’s just look at Hillary’s latest, the Norman Hsu scandal. that involved $850,000 as opposed to this made up thing on Ron Pual for $500. And you equate those? You look more than a little foolish Chuck.
outlander,
To the best of my knowledge, Norman Hsu isn’t a neo-Nazi who advocates racial genocide.
As for this ‘made up thing,’ disprove it or shut your trap, outlander.
Yeah CF. Ron Paul knew the money was from a racist but he just couldn’t part with all that money ($500), so he decided he had to have it, damn the political cost. That makes sense to you.
And CF, don’t tell me to shut up.
To vote for any other candidate destroys the dollar, keeps endless wars { with the racist bigoted “Jewish State” in charge of our foreign policy } and bankrupts the United States { as trillions go down the Israeli rat hole }.
None of the other candidates, from either side of the aisle, rescues America from the Zionist-Jews and everybody with half a brain knows that.
Ron Paul is not terminal for the United States, as is the entire rest of the field.
And listening to you all squeal, means that America is waking up.
BTW
There is nothing wrong with the Jewish Religion.
EdNazi propaganda said the same thing: “There is nothing wrong with the Jewish Religion” — Nazis had a problem with the Jewish RACE!
There is nothing wrong with the Jewish Race.
There is, however, something very wrong with you, judging by the crap that you write.
Is there such a thing as a Jewish Race? What characteristics, other than their religion do they not share with the people they are constantly waging war against?
Ron Paul got donations from a racist? Big deal, look at some of Hillarys donators.
Ron Paul is the only candidate worth voting for… and is the ONLY Repubican that can defeat Hillary. Rudy, Mitt, and Fred will all get defeated by a landslide. They are only there to give us the illusion of choice.. they are not going/supposed to defeat Hillary.
Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that voted AGAINST the Iraq War. So if you are against the war in Iraq, you only have 1 choice.. one person to get us out of that unjustified war.
Ron Paul is right on Foreign Policy. He is right on illegal immigration. He is right about cutting government programs that are a waste of OUR money.
He has never voted to raise taxes.He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.He has never voted to raise congressional pay.He has never taken a government-paid junket.He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.He voted against regulating the Internet.He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
Vote Ron Paul 2008!!!
Econ — Ummmm There IS no Jewish Race — Jewishness, Judaism, are religions… That is like saying there is a HINDU Race, or a Buddhist RACE, or LOL a Christian RACE… (oh, wait, that would be NASCAR – LOL)
There are MANY Races that make up the Jewish Religion… MANY!!
You know, of course, Sammy Davis Jr., was a Jew… converted, yes, but he was Jewish…
The NAZI propaganda is exactly what it was… junk…
First they say there is nothing wrong with the Jewish religion, then they exterminate 6 Million Jews because of their religion!!
My goodness… I had hoped I would never EVER see anything anywhere in this country about a Jewish RACE…
Anybody want to try and invent a CATHOLIC Race?? ROFL!!
And, of course, “Chas.” there is only one “race.” The *human* race.
Anyone who starts distinguishing between brown people and black people and red people and yellow people is talking about superficial distinctions. We’ve all got the same blood types, the same DNA, the same attributes of humanity.
We do have different cultures, traditions, tribes, experiences, and philosophies. But none of those represent a difference of *race.*
Doug, Where are you getting your facts? He wants the government to get involved in your medical business? Obviously you haven’t listened to him or read up on him. He wants the STATES to decide. You need to pay more attention to his message. He is anti-abortion for a logical reason, he’s an OB/GYN and if anything had happened to the “baby” invitro, he would have/could have been sued. So he figures, if I can be sued for harming this “baby”, then it must be a living human. Ron Paul is the only one who will do what he can to save this country from becoming the broke, third-world police state that it is headed towards.
Reality sucks for those who are paying attention and for those that watched the CNN/YouTube debate and saw nothing wrong with it, you aren’t paying attention (you people need to watch Idiocracy and get mad at yourselves).
And enough with the race-baiting nonsense. I’m sure every candidate has some questionable people
Do this country, yourselves and posterity a favor, vote for Ron Paul.
The white supremacist giving Ron Paul money was troubling for me at first. I know that guilt by association is a logical fallacy, but it was still nagging. That’s when I realized the error of my thinking.
For the majority of political candidates, it’s a good idea to look to see where the money is coming from to determine how they will act once in office. When you see Hillary Clinton taking millions from special interests and insurance companies, you know she’s probably going to be on their side, not ours.
That’s where Ron Paul is different. Lobbyists in Washington don’t talk to him unless they are looking for good conversation. He doesn’t take money in exchange for future favors. If someone with abhorrent racist views gives Ron Paul money, he will not be beholden to this person.
I’d imagine that a racist piece of trash gives Ron Paul money for the same reason the rest do. They find his message has power. He speaks truth, even when it is not what we want to hear.
I’d rather vote for someone who is willing to say the things that need to be said rather than those who simply say the things they think will get votes.
For more info on Ron Paul, check out the following two videos. They give a pretty good introduction to the man and his message.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA&feature=related
Ron Paul respects the Constitution and Congress has the power to check and balance his views, but Ron Paul will tell us when they’re misbehaving when he’s president.
Refreshing, isn’t it?
Will any of the others do that?
Not on your life.
It’s Ron Paul or more of the same.
Anybody { besides our “buddies” } want the same?
I didn’t think so…