If Hillary Clinton wants to be assessed in part on her eight-year record as first lady, the nation ought to be able to access that record. Yet as the Chicago Tribune reported, the only item released by the William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library involving Hillary Clinton is a condolence letter she wrote. Among the unavailable items are 3 million pages of documents relating to her health care task force. The glacial pace of government archivists is partly to blame, but both Clintons should do more to expedite the release of the first lady’s papers.
And among the items being withheld by federal archivists for stated reasons of confidentiality, the Los Angeles Times reported, is a May 1993 memo to Clinton about a meeting with then-Sen. Nancy Kassebaum, R-Kan., and then-Rep. Dan Glickman (in photo), D-Wichita. Glickman told the Times that Clinton was in “listening mode†during the meeting, which occurred when he and Kassebaum were pushing their own health care proposal: “I don’t think there was anything in the proposal that Sen. Kassebaum and I had that was particularly secret. It was not anything that I would call of national import.â€
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What a life for Dan Glickman, from vilified in Kansas by Republicans to leading Hollywood.
Some who hated him are stuck in their lives or got somewhat fatter and more needful since Republicans are now feeding them. Who is more desperate than some Kansans for expensive Farm Bills to pass. It’s exactly why they vote Republican again and again.
It’s not economic conservatism and the process makes government larger.
He’s off to the see the Wizard and his wishes granted. Hollywood is the land of Oz.
Hillary should order the release of ALL her and her husband’s papers at once. Otherwise she appears to be covering up things.
Yep, it would be nice to have released documents on candidates for President – but I think we should start with declassifying the documents of the current person occupying the White House.
We can debate hypotheticals and have all of our current host of candidates documents released, but our current government has more than twice as many classified documents relating to the President and Vice President than all other Presidents – combined (a recent NY Times article).
Karl Rove master-minded a plan to have the White House officials send e-mail using Republican Party e-mail accounts to try to circumvent the court filings to have documents released and declassified.
Of course, national security is national security, but the abuse of the transparency of our government by the current administration is a huge miscarriage of justice.
Go ahead and mill about in Rudy’s divorce papers and Hillary’s investments but this is all a smokescreen. We need to know what is going on in the White House now – and set a presidence (not to mention comply with federal law) – and once Rudy or Hillary or whoever lands in the White House – we will achieve a better compliance with transparency.
Nice Rhonda. Nice how you neglect to show that this is BUSH’s fault to begin with- he’s the one who slammed the door shut on opening those files.
I agree, we need to open all of the files, not just Clinton’s.
Hillary’s papers from her days as first lady? This is important how?
Stop crying in your beer about the bush. He is gone in a year.
The issue facing America TODAY is the background of the candidates for the ELECTION of the NEW president.
Any and all information is relevant on the candidates. (Remember Bush’s DUI?)
In Hillary’s case, she has campaigned on her E.X.P.E.R.I.E.N.C.E..
She has repeatedly spoken throughout her campaign about her E.X.P.E.R.I.E.N.C.E..
She has compared herself to other candidates E.X.P.E.R.I.E.N.C.E..
She has made comments about her E.X.P.E.R.I.E.N.C.E. which directly reflect back to her time in the white house.
Get over it, quit redirecting (well if Bushy did), and concentrate on our future.
You will feel better, and maybe, just maybe we will all learn more about the candidates.
And, if Bill Clinton didn’t have the papers snuck out of the white house or another federal building inside someone’s pants – we might get the truth.
And isn’t that what we all want?
Is firts lady, a paid political position? If not, then why is it anyones business.
It becomes the People’s business when one uses the People’s House, staff and resources.
phantom:
Because she’s campaigning on it. As Obama put it:
“I think the fact of the matter is that Sen. Clinton is claiming basically the entire eight years of the Clinton presidency as her own, except for the stuff that didn’t work out, in which case she says she has nothing to do with it,” Obama said, and added, referring to his relationship with his wife, Michelle, “There is no doubt that Bill Clinton had faith in her and consulted with her on issues, in the same way that I would consult with Michelle, if there were issues,” Obama said. “On the other hand, I don’t think Michelle would claim that she is the best qualified person to be a United States Senator by virtue of me talking to her on occasion about the work I’ve done.”
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=3913284
Hillary, like most politicians, wants to have it both ways – campaign on that “experience,” but – apparantly – not put that actual experience under scrutiny.
Let’s fact it. She rode to prominence on her husband’s coattails, and then when that ride was over parachuted, carpetbag in hand, into a state where she could get elected because the state where she lived wouldn’t have anything to do with her. She parachuted in not to represent New Yorkers, but to run for President.
And she’s campaigning on that “experience” as different from other legislators.
That makes it our business.
She parachuted in not to represent New Yorkers, but to run for President.
Exactly like Phil Kline landed in Johnson County. Same-same.
Is firts lady, a paid political position? If not, then why is it anyones business.
Posted by: The Phantom
She sure didn’t have any problem advancing a new socialist health care plan right after Bill was installed as President.
I didn’t vote for her, we didn’t elect her – and no one was paying her.
Randall:
Except that Phill isn’t running for president. I don’t care.
Stick to the point.
“Now, all of the records, as far as I know, about what we did with healthcare, those are already available,” Clinton said at a Democratic debate last month.
A three-page memo written to Hillary Clinton in 1993, for example, is titled “Positioning ourselves on healthcare.” It is not available to the public. A notice in the files says that archivists are withholding it on the grounds that its release would reveal confidential advice.
An undated 38-page memo that is also being withheld is titled “General targeting strategy” — an apparent reference to the Clinton administration’s targeting of members of Congress whose votes would have been needed to pass the plan.
In interviews, some people who were the focus of such memos said they were baffled as to why the records were being held back.
Two 1993 memos kept private involve meetings between Hillary Clinton and then-Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), an influential politician who at the time opposed her healthcare plan.
“It’s hard to make the case that a meeting with Bob Kerrey in 1993 ought to be redacted, other than for political reasons,” Kerrey said.
“If these documents were negative to [Clinton campaign rivals] Barack Obama, John Edwards or Rudy Giuliani, they would be out yesterday,” said Kerrey, who has not endorsed a candidate in the presidential campaign.
LATimes
Sounds as though hillary is promoting her exposure to the position. That’s not claiming the position itself.
When we can’t even get info. on who was party to writing the nations energy laws, I say she gets a pass.
Well, a double-standard involving what’s expected of Democrats versus Republicans, now with regard to the release of records. Imagine that. Where were all you Repukes when Bush kept holding back the release of his Air National Guard records? I see. And where were you when Cheney was running for Vice-President, demanding full disclosure about the Bush I Administration? I see.
When Bush and Cheney release THEIR records, Hillary should release any records pertaining to her time as First Lady. Not a second earlier.
Where were all you Repukes when Bush kept holding back the release of his Air National Guard records? Posted by: CF2K | November 27, 2007 at 09:19 AM
Bush released his National Guard Records, now stop crying and whining.
Bush kept holding back the release of his Air National Guard records?
You mean the records disclosed on Sixty Minutes? I see.
He released his records with some glaring gaps, kind of like Nixon releasing his tapes.
He released his records with some glaring gaps, kind of like Nixon releasing his tapes.
Posted by: The Phantom | November 27, 2007 at 09:22 AM
So I guess Libs still want to whine and cry about it. :)
I suspected the whine about Bush would come. Can’t post a negative about Hillary, the democrat’s candidate. (tisk,tisk)
Repeat!
Get over it, quit redirecting (well if Bushy did), and concentrate on our future.
You will feel better, and maybe, just maybe we will all learn more about the candidates.
Ronald,
Get over Bush? Fat chance. You Repukes hugged him like a teddy bear these last eight years, and now you’re going to wear his sorry, failed ass like a necktie for the next twenty years.
Bush set the standard that you Repukes live by; good luck with trying to ‘disappear’ him in time for 2008.
2008 is about Bush. Period.
Ronald,
As for ‘concentrating on our future,’ that’s a funny thing to hear coming from someone who’s just itching to go on a bonedig into Hillary’s past.
Guess that makes you a hypocrite. Not that anyone’s terribly surprised by that.
Sounds as though hillary is promoting her exposure to the position. That’s not claiming the position itself.
When we can’t even get info. on who was party to writing the nations energy laws, I say she gets a pass.
Posted by: The Phantom | November 27, 2007 at 09:18 AM
Yes, my brother is a Doctor, so I am now qualified to complete a physical exam. At least on pretty women.
2008 is about Bush. Period.
Posted by: CF2K | November 27, 2007 at 09:30 AM
Ya ain’t got nothin else CF. Anti-Bush is all ya got.
2008 is about Bush. Period.
Posted by: CF2K | November 27, 2007 at 09:30 AM
Cool!
Most Americans hate whiners and criers, the Dems will bury themselves. :)
Max,
Doesn’t mean a thing coming from you, whose party’s only chance at winning the next election lies in gumming up the Congress and stirring up a phony, racist crisis over immigration. Republicans would rather take their ball and go home than play and lose.
Americans hate the Repuke agenda. Hate it. That’s why Repukes have to run as anti-Democrats and fan racist flames. No agenda but hate for the little guy and mucho love for the big boys.
To KNOW her, is to Love her:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hillary’s THESIS
http://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/hillaryclintonsthesis.htm
Aren’t we still waiting for the Bush regime to release papers on their alleged illegal activities? I could care less about what dresses Hillary wore at state dinners.
Max,
Still lookin’ at that Hillary Clinton web porn? Seems like an unhealthy obsession.
At least you can take comfort in knowing that lots of other Wingnut men share your Hillary fixation.
Ronald, GMC, Just the Facts, great posts above.
Hillary’s playbook showing her plan to become President is in this book:
Madame Hillary: The Dark Road to the White House (Hardcover) by R. Emmett Tyrrell (Author) Key Phrases: New York, Madame Hillary, Living History
http://www.amazon.com/Madame-Hillary-Dark-White-House/dp/0895260670/re
This book was published in 2004. Many things forecast by Tyrrel have come true already.
Knowing Hillary’s playbook, helped Tyrrel develop a strategy to defeat Hillary.
Good read, to know the Devil in Detail.
Americans hate the Repuke agenda. Hate it. That’s why Repukes have to run as anti-Democrats and fan racist flames. No agenda but hate for the little guy and mucho love for the big boys.
Posted by: CF2K | November 27, 2007 at 09:43 AM
The Dems don’t have a Positive Agenda, so they just run on a Hate Agenda – Hate Bush.
Great party.
Heil!
Max,
Hillary was very much aligned with the American Communist Party in the early 70s. She wasn’t hard core, but enough where her Communist “friends” remember her involvement in the Party’s movement well.
The rats are swimming away from the sinking ship of state. Bush and company are just begninng to see the crap that will come out of the woodwork.
Tell all stories will be a dime a dozen and everone will start to cash in very soon.
It will drive the cons crazy trying to rationalize all that will soon be told.
Posted by: Poster Boy | November 27, 2007 at 09:35 AM
This was a post in Open Thread today, sorry to repeat myself but the “Most Americans hate whiners and criers,” post made me think about all the whining and crying that will be going on as Bush and company fade into darkness.
Aren’t we still waiting for the Bush regime to release papers on their alleged illegal activities? I could care less about what dresses Hillary wore at state dinners.
Posted by: Doug | November 27, 2007 at 09:49 AM
Yes, Attending State Dinners is the extent of Hillary’s E.X.P.E.R.I.E.N.C.E. !!!!
So, IF that’s all that is in her documents, what is there to hide?
A recipie?
Max,
Watching you commercially shill for Hillary web porn is like watching adolescent boys trading Playboy magazines.
Quite an excellent job on your part, though, disappearing the Republicans’ thirty-year tirade of hate in order to pin it on the Democratic Party. Best of luck keeping that psychotic break under control.
Still lookin’ at that Hillary Clinton web porn? Seems like an unhealthy obsession.
Posted by: CF2K | November 27, 2007 at 09:50 AM
Hillary’s Thesis is Web Porn?
Three Reasons to Vote For Hillary Clinton:
1.
2.
3.
Anybody think of anything, other then “She’s not Bush”?
OH, **NEWSFLASH**, Bush is NOT running for President in 2008.
Quite an excellent job on your part, though, disappearing the Republicans’ thirty-year tirade of hate in order to pin it on the Democratic Party. Best of luck keeping that psychotic break under control.
Posted by: CF2K | November 27, 2007 at 10:02 AM
The only other thing Libs are good at besides whining and crying – making flailing arm sounds whilst they point fingers and squawk about some irrelevant chimpanzee sputum.
I noticed that in the latest Zogby poll, Hillary gets beat head up by ANY of the top five Republican candidates.
Something for the Dems to worry about. Hmm…maybe Hillary should be the Dem nominee.
About Hillary and Alinsky:
(To read a PDF copy of the thesis, click here. This copy was obtained via the Freedom Underground web site.)
With Hillary Clinton poised to win the Democratic nomination for president, questions about her intellectual and moral education abound.
One of the major intellectual influences – perhaps an emotional one was well – was radical social philosopher and activist Saul Alinsky.
As this story shows, Alinsky was both the ladder Hillary climbed to gain new perspectives on society – specifically the poor – and then, once there, a ladder she tossed aside when she no longer needed it.
http://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/hillaryclintonsthesis.htm
There goes Max: can’t help himself.
Threatened by women much, Max?
The official name for Max’s pathology, well in evidence on this blog and elsewhere, is “Hillary Derangement Syndrom.”
There goes CF again, personally attacking posters on this blog.
Can’t defend Hillary’s thesis, that’s for damn sure.
There goes Max’s denial again, blinding him to the irrational and paranoid impulses that compel him to post.
CF can you post something positive today. Saying Max is posting negatives is one thing but I am waiting for one reason Hillary should return to her White House. Dick Morris said it best – Hillary said she spent 8 years in the White House. The pastry did too – does that qualify him to be prez?
that is the pastry chef – sorry.
Max,
Thanks for the link to Clinton’s thesis. It was very insightful, and shows the formation and foundation of her socialist perspective. I’m not sure I would have seen this if you hadn’t posted it.
I noticed some of the predictable assaults on you by those who either don’t have the capacity to understand how formative thinking impacts one’s positions, or simply don’t want to know, or don’t care what she thinks. In either case, these are people who seem to desire surrendering their ability to think and the exercise of their freedom to someone else–in this case, Clinton. Another possible category of assualters are those who agree with the socialist agenda itself. They buy into the philosophy, but realize it has little popular support in the US, so they try to keep it from being exposed. As the above posts indicate, they simply make attempts to discredit you rather than dealing with the issues.
I’ve also noticed the desire to play both sides of the fence as far as Clinton’s gender is concerned. On one hand, she is presented as someone who can play in the big leagues–stand up to anyone, male or female. They don’t want her female-ness to be considered when it concerns her ability to be president. But on the other side, when you treat her in a gender-neutral sense and question her like you would any “man,” they accuse of you of being “threatened by women,” such as CF2K did earlier. If the liberal/socialist philosophy isn’t bankrupt (which I think it is), one would certainly *think* it is bankrupt by the inept and incompetent defense presented by its supporters.
The best thing Hillary and Slick Willy did was shred papers, she will continue shredding, otherwise people will know what she will really be like if she’s elected.
I say she gets a pass.
Posted by: The Phantom
Sorry Phantom. She is a candidate for POTUS. There are no passes.
Not for anybody. Not for any candidate.
The stakes are too high.
Aren’t we still waiting for the Bush regime to release papers on their alleged illegal activities? I could care less about what dresses Hillary wore at state dinners.
Posted by: Doug | November 27, 2007 at 09:49 AM
Then you agree Hillary has absolutely no qualifications or experience based upon her husbands experience. Great!
As usual, a very accurate post David.
I think most Clinton supporters fall into Both of the categories you describe.
1. Unable or unwilling to think on their own.
2. Socialist supporters.
And your statement here says it all in a nutshell:
“those who agree with the socialist agenda itself. They buy into the philosophy, but realize it has little popular support in the US, so they try to keep it from being exposed.”
Which is why I intentionally use the “S” word, Socialist, to accurately describe the programs being pushed by the Democrats.
I believe in calling a Spade a Spade.
And if someone proposes programs which are Socialist, that is, transfering wealth from those who earned it to those who did not, then I would call that person a Socialist. And that program is Socialist in nature.
If someone truly believes in Socialism, then they should be Proud to bear the label of Socialist.
Why do they hide? Because, as you describe, most Americans do NOT accept Socialism to be the best approach. If you disguise a Socialist program by naming it HillaryCare!, you might be able to fool the majority of America to ‘buy-in’ to the program.
Some hide themselves from the Socialist label by attempting to change the Definition of Socialism. And many are fooled by this approach.
So, the “S” word, is my way of unveiling the disguisers.
It would be interesting, likely not possible on this blog, to have a discussion about why some people are Socialists and others are Capitalists.
OK, there’s no pure Socialism or Capitalism, but most lean one way or the other knowing that some mix is reality today, and reality tomorrow.
A similar debate as to why some are Democrats and some are Republicans, and some are Independent, would be interesting.
And maybe throw in a Liberal vs Conservative debate as well.
Wow! Someone must have struck a nerve today to get the libs all foaming at the mouth and tripping over each other casting spells and name-calling.
What did I miss? Max? Was it you?
I can’t take all or even most of the blame Am Way.
It seems the blog has been invaded by a mass of conservatives who will not blindly follow Clinton.
There are still many sheep here though.
American Way,
Must be the ideological hot candle and the thought of suckling the wax coated socialistic nipple that the Libs crave so much.
Max did you get the web link I posted yesterday?
No ksgrm, I missed it. I did look for it though.
I found a site, not terribly impressive.
http://www.carsdirect.com
I received a call back and email from the same dealer I had already visited. And no direct quote, even though I specified EXACTLY what I was lookin for.
Did you find a better site?
After getting so close, maybe they can feel it all slipping away?
The Weblog will have to be more careful in the future when crafting negatively on the lead candidate. People could get their feelings really hurt!
And now I read, Max piles insult to injury by posting something Hillary could NOT hide – her true socialist agenda.
And now like a swarm of Killer Bees’ they descend upon Max.
Max: You got your OFF on?
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Don’t need OFF.
I have my Grandma standing by with 357!
Oh, and 357 is much more effective then 409.
Though Grandma always keeps French Fry grease hot, as a back-up.
Maybe not. I am not sure something 100 percent deet would hold back these rascals.
Maybe use the RAID, with the 50 ft spray?
Max, Try autobytel.com. I had good luck with them and was able to research prices and options before talking to dealers.
Just catching up on the reading links:
“President Clinton would like the [National] Archives to go as swiftly as possible in releasing the records in his administration, because he’s proud of his record, and Sen. Clinton is proud of her role in his administration,” saidJay Carson, a Clinton press aide.”
::.
Can someone please explain to me what exactly was Hillary’s “role” in the presidents administration?
I think I have the answer AmWay. She was first lady. do I get the gold ring?
Can someone please explain to me what exactly was Hillary’s “role” in the presidents administration?
Posted by: American Way | November 27, 2007 at 12:46 PM
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When Hillary! is running on her “experience,” that is exactly the problem, isn’t it?
David Atkins,
“Thanks for the link to Clinton’s thesis. It was very insightful, and shows the formation and foundation of her socialist perspective.”
Really. On what specific passages in particular do you base that claim?
I think I have the answer AmWay. She was first lady. do I get the gold ring?
Posted by: ksgrm | November 27, 2007 at 12:49 PM
You would if I could have the honor of kneeling before you and present it!
But seriously, that is the conventional role I had in mind. Sort of like the June Cleaver representing the western world.
That is the closest job description that I think constitutionally should apply.
CF2K, did you mean to ask Max?If so, can you please answer me a question?
Why aren’t you called DG3L?
Was it this passage, David Atkins, that has you denouncing Hillary as a socialist?
“In the first chapter it was pointed out that Alinsky is regarded by many as the proponent of a dangerous socio/political philosophy. As such, he has been feared–just as Eugene Debs or Walt Whitman or Martin Luther King has been feared, because each embraced the most radical of all political faiths–democracy.”
Kind of says it all, doesn’t it David Atkins, what Right-Wingers really have in mind when they hurl the word “socialism” as if it were an epithet.
Max,
I haven’t a big fan of Hillary Clinton. But I respect her a lot more after reading the thesis. As a college senior, she was head and shoulders above anyone in the Republican Presidential Pack. Thanks for posting the link.
While getting an undergraduate degree with a focus on Foreign Policy I had to study all political and social movements from the left to the right. I wrote so many papers about so many topics including Prague Spring, Mao, Iran-Contra, Fidel, Nixon and the list goes on. To try to tie anyone’s abilities to a paper and research they wrote in college – for goodness sake that is just plain silly. I also wrote papers about Charlie Parker and Thelonis Monk – for someone to make an arguement that I am qualified – or not to run the American Jazz Society base upon some research and papers many years ago would be…well, silly.
Go ahead and open Hillary’s papers, and George Bush’s and Bill Clinton’s and Dick Cheney’s and, well you see where this is going.
Go ahead and open Hillary’s papers, Posted by: Lonnie
Well Lonnie I think that very well is the brunt of the discussion.
We cannot seem to open her papers.
Thanks Ksgrm for the link. I’ll check it out.
I wish there was a site called:
http://www.justgivemeonepriceforthatcar.com
Posted by: David Atkins | November 27, 2007 at 11:09 AM
Dave,
Were you aware that David Atkins was a fire-breathing pro-slaver Senator from Missouri?
We can’t get Georgie’s. Wishful thinking. But it gives us a lot to pine about doesn’t it? For instance I really need to know what Hillary, Dan Glickman and Nancy Kassebaum said at their 1993 meetings. I am frantic with worry and glee.
Wait – I just controlled my glee. Now I want George and Dick’s papers, e-mails, phone transcipts and correspondence released. Everything not stamped “National Security”.
Captn America:
Were you aware that Captain America was a comic book character?
CF
You admire Hillaries Socialist leanings, good for you.
To bad she can’t tell the American people what she really thinks.
“I’m going to take things away from you in the interest of the common good”
“I want to take those profits….”
Man, the add copy just writes itself if she gets the nomination.
Lonnie, you need to look to our future – not the dying Bush Administration. Don’t you WISH people would have asked those hard questions – and got answers BEFORE the bush was elected?
See above/below:
She has made comments about her E.X.P.E.R.I.E.N.C.E. which directly reflect back to her time in the white house.
Get over it, quit redirecting (well if Bushy did), and concentrate on our future.
Heckler,
You admire the GOP’s fascist leanings, i.e. “I’m going to take things away from you in the interest of the private good?” Good for you.
“GOP’s fascist leanings, i.e. “I’m going to take things away from you in the interest of the private good?”
Is there a quote of somebody real in there?
CF
Your definition of Fascist is all hosed up. But hey, redefine words to suit your own purpose. It’s the Leftist way.
Heckler,
Fascism is the private ownership of public goods. Think “Hitler,” Heckler, and the manner in which the German state became an arm of German business, or how this happened in Italy.
Fascism is an economic and a political category every bit as much as “communism.” If it weren’t, they couldn’t function as logical contraries.
Since I am good at dealing with real life, current practices in the White House are important. This administration isn’t going to get a pass because of the right wings facination with Hillary. No one should get a pass.
I have concerns about Rudy and his notorious philandering as I did with Bill Clinton. I have an interest in Obama’s short track record, as I did with George Bush’s prior to his occupation of the White House.
Obsessions and accusations aside – lets look at issues of accountability and reponsibility for all candidates and elected officials.
“Fascism is an economic and a political category every bit as much as “communism”
And that will change magically HOW when Hillary is queen? It won’t because there are no laws she will enact or overrule which make America fascist.
Go play with Hillary’s picture, or post about her hiding her papers.
CF
You’ve got things all screwed up. Hitler was a collectivist. He wanted all industry to be owned by government. But politically he couldn’t get away with that. So what he ended up with was somewhat Fascist in nature, the government essentially “running” private business. In order to survive businesses had to kowtow to his whims. But his nature was pure collectivist.
The U.S. is actually mildly Fascist in it’s regulatory approach toward business. If it were up to the GOP there would be much less regulation of business, the opposite of Fascism.
So your attempted slander of the GOP is so off base as to be ridiculous.
“You’ve got things all screwed up. Hitler was a collectivist. He wanted all industry to be owned by government. But politically he couldn’t get away with that.”
Wrong.
Hitler was a man. He was a very well spoken and persuasive man. But still just a man.
German industry and commerce actively took part in Hitler’s rise to power. It was their intention he would be their puppet.
It didn’t play out that way because Hitler had the people behind him and ended up turning the tables on the industrialists.
Those folks were not bothered by this too much though as Hitler very shortly put them to work building a war machine.
The US is an upside down example in comparison. Here, business and commerce HAVE taken control of the government.
Not for much longer though.
Socialism or feudalism? I’ll take socialism every time.
Heckler,
Wrong. Who do you think paid for Hitler to come to power? German corporations. And who benefitted from the German war economy and, yes, the Holocaust economy? Yes, German corporations: Siemens, Krupp, etc. Who were Hitler’s biggest boosters in America? American Capitalists: Henry Ford, James Mooney of GMC, and, yes, Senator Prescott Bush.
Your misunderstanding of the historical roots of fascism, Heckler, is that it focuses only on militarism–as if this could ever be detached from the economic activities that create monetary and political power.
Your attempted exoneration of the GOP is as ill-informed as it is meretricious.
J R,
Well-said as to Heckler’s error.
Great minds think alike there CF.
The US is an upside down example in comparison. Here, business and commerce HAVE taken control of the government. Not for much longer though.
Posted by: J R
Pray tell, do tell us HOW the democrats will change that? Can you give me specifics? Because it is NOT coming out in the campaign from any of the candidates. Specifically what actions will the democrat congress and president take?
Otherwise, it’s all talking trash as usual.
CF JR
You two are the ones upside down. A couple monkeys.
Business would like nothing more than to have government out of their hair. It’s governments meddling that forces them to get involved to protect their own interests.
I can see how one might get confused when coming from your collectivist view points. You are getting the symptoms mixed up with the causes and vice versa. Glad you arent my doctors.
Heckler,
Well-said as to CF2K’s error.
“It’s governments meddling that forces them to get involved to protect their own interests.”
Wow we wouldn’t want THAT would we?
We LIKE poison pet food and dangerous imported toys. Good sweet honest business wouldn’t give us these things if government would just get out of the way!I trust government over business, any day.
Hmmmm…..
Who regulates imports into America?
Who ensures the safety of our pet food, and our toys?
THE U.S. Government.
Lately controlled by Republicans.
You forgot to add that Maxie.
JR,
Is there anything that you don’t blame the Republicans for that is wrong or bad???
How on earth were they behind the poison dog food or toys?
I thought you trusted Government JR. That was your statement.
Oh, you mean it depends on who is elected.
Oh, so let’s permanently put control of everything in the hands of Goverment, whenever JR approves the Government.
Hey it’s Heckler saying get out of businesses way.
Poison dog food and dangerous toys is just the upshot.
For you Max, I’ll modify.
I trust liberals in government. Conservatives only care about money.
JR,
How do Conservatives only care about money?
Can you go to any thread and say something which is not a complete stereotype of Republicans or Conservatives or blame them for everything?
I’m not sure I trust anyone in the government, liberal or conservative. Aren’t most politicians are on the same trust level as used car salesmen?
I trust liberals in government. Conservatives only care about money.
Posted by: J R | November 27, 2007 at 04:06 PM
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Just some friendly advice, JR. TRUST NO ONE!!!
Especially those who claim to know what’s best for you. There is little more oppressive than the perpetual do-gooder, seeking to right all that is wrong. Politicians who “work for the little guy” never do.
Remember: in most cases, the best thing government can do is nothing.
I’m not sure I trust anyone in the government, liberal or conservative. Aren’t most politicians are on the same trust level as used car salesmen?
Posted by: Mary Caruso | November 27, 2007 at 04:42 PM
I thought it was lawyers (no offense to any bloggers).
O.K, you’ve had all day and most of the night to post.
Are any liberals going to at least QUESTION Hillary not providing the source documents requested?
Not ONE of you feel that is important?
Says a lot about your party. Just follow the bobbing head in front of you. Don’t break the line. Around and around the pole. You are a broken machine!
Not one regular liberal blogger has any problem with this?
Watergate tapes……..
Were you aware that Captain America was a comic book character?
Posted by: Captain Obvious
Why, yes, Grafitti Troll, I am aware of that.
That’s why I took the name. I thought it was one name that you ‘Pukes wouldn’t ridicule.
David Atkins isn’t so well-known however. I just wondered what kind of person would knowingly name themselves after a slaver.
John Wilks Booth and Jefferson Davis are still up for grabs, Grafitti Troll. Maybe you’d like one of those . . . .
EagleB–
At ease, my friend. Most real leftists like me would rather have ANYBODY with a D next to their name besides Hitlery.
We know what the Clintons’ are–manipulative sell-outs.
My dream ticket is President-in-Exile Al Gore with Sen. Russ Feingold for VP.
But neither of them are running.
You go with the candidates you’ve got, not the ones you want . . .
Perfection is the enemy of the good.
We don’t have to love Hitlery to see that she’s a huge improvement over the catastrophe that walks on two legs like a man –
WORST.PRESIDENT.EVER.
Well Captain. Well…,,
thank-you.
You’ve restored something I can’t quite put into words.
At least I know one of you is not a robot.