Open thread 11/25

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  1. Max
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    Clinton Campaign Fund Raising “Deals” Continue – Now Wooing $$$ From Mexican Border Town

    Hillary is for all the illegal immigration money can buy!

    How Big Man In McAllen Bundles Big For ClintonBy Matthew MoskWashington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, November 25, 2007

    McALLEN, Tex. — During the first nine months of this year, Sen. Barack Obama raised just $2,086 for his presidential campaign from people who live in and around this border town of stucco bungalows and weed-covered farm lots, and most candidates raised even less. But Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, has already raised more than $640,000 here, and her campaign expects to collect even more.

    Clinton’s success in this unlikely setting is based almost entirely on her friendship with one man, McAllen developer Alonzo Cantu. A self-made millionaire who once picked grapes on the migratory farm labor circuit, Cantu persuaded more than 300 people in Hidalgo County, where the median household income in 2006 was $28,660, to write checks ranging from $500 to $2,300 to the senator from New York.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/24/AR2007112401359.html?hpid=topnews

    When Hillary Clinton first ran for the Senate, Cantu began raising money for her. His primary motive, he said, was to ensure that South Texas will not be deprived of federal money, projects or attention if she becomes president. “Understand, I don’t want anything,” Cantu said. “Just to help South Texas.”

  2. Max
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    Hillary to Ban Loan Companies – Turning Government into The Bank

    “I want to get rid of the student loan companies,” Mrs. Clinton said in Sioux City, as she laid out her college affordability plan in response to a parent’s concern about tuition. “I kept working and I got a little scholarship, and I borrowed money from the government at 2 percent interest.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/us/politics/25thompson.html?ref=us

    BIG BIG BROTHER! GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER NOW!

  3. awinters
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    I’m so ready to come back to Kansas… I’m running as fast as I can!

  4. poster
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Heckuva job President Bush!!!

    ‘Wave Of Violence’ Against Women In Iraq Undercuts White House’s Claims Of SuccessIn recent weeks, the Bush administration has cited declining violence in Iraq as evidence of the success. Earlier this month, President Bush said that Iraqis are slowly “taking back their country.”

    But last night, NBC Nightly News aired a segment about a “wave of violence that’s gone largely unreported lately against women in Iraq.” The report noted that Iraqi women, once “the most emancipated in the Arab world,” are increasingly unable to walk around without a hijab, wear cosmetics, or work. Watch the report:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/24/women-iraq/

    Bush has largely ignored the deteriorating plight of Iraqi women, choosing instead to cite signs of “progress.” Yet earlier in the war, he and other administration officials repeatedly claimed that the rights of Iraqi women were “inseparable” to success:

    “The advance of women’s rights and the advance of liberty are ultimately inseparable.” [President Bush, 3/14/04]

    “President Bush has made the advance of women’s human rights a global policy priority. … We all have an obligation to speak for women who are denied their rights to learn, to vote or to live in freedom.” [Laura Bush, 3/8/05]

    “The commitment of this administration to women’s rights in Iraq is unshakable.” [Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, 3/9/04]

    “There can be no compromise on the principle that Iraqis can each have an equal role in the building of their country’s future without regard to their ethnic or religious background or gender.” [Former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad, 8/8/05]

    Many Iraqi women who have fled to Syria are increasingly forced to turn to prostitution, as they struggle to support their children after their husbands were killed in Iraq’s violence.

  5. writerdog
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    Kansas I am not copping out, but most of what I have done is read books on the subject instead of limit my searches to the web. “Against all enemies, State of Denial, The secret History of the Iraq war, the list goes on in total around twelve books. By authors who either served within the government or as special advisors to the State or DOD. The point being I am still reviewing the books I have, but as of yet have not found the references. To the President stating that God told him to invade Iraq and the only reference to God being responsible for his Presidency I found is he stating he felt that God wanted him to run.

    An internet search comes back with more hearsay then actually quotes, pointing to Bush’s use of religious terms found within the Bible but not exclusive to the Bible. And the informational minister for the Palestine’s saying at their meeting. That the President said that God led him to go after Al-Qaeda so he invaded Afghanistan, then God led him to go after Saddam so he invaded Iraq. Now God has led him to get the Palestine their own state and to bring peace to Israel. But such language is not unusual for Christian or Moslem to give credit to God for the happening of the day.

    I will continue to search through the books I have on the self, I have narrowed the reference to the President telling Prince Bandar “We are both deeply religious men, so I can tell you that God has told me to go on a crusade to bring Democracy to the middle east”. To either State of Denial or the secret history of the Iraq war.
    *****“We used to call this “whining” not too long ago. That is, people who concentrate more on the negative aspects of any subject and then make it their life’s goal to be negative about anything or anyone“.

    Now as to whining I was more commenting on the way such news is brought to the public. It is more used as propaganda then news by both sides of all this at times.

    Fox news and the White House often point only to the good news and none to the bad news. Giving the impression that is all that is happening in Iraq, that is not a fair assessment of Iraq as there is still a great deal to be done there. BUT certainly it is great news and should be given as it means progress is being made. But that is not the needed progress as the real progress would be a self reliant Iraq. Bush is being single minded, he still is focused on a military solution where that will not mean a good outcome. To backtrack, we have the strongest military in the world and have the power to be the police force in Iraq for eternity. But we complain about all the dependant nations that can not blow their own noses without the U.S. providing a handkerchief. Do we really want another of our own making?

    The MSM and the anti-war/Anti-Bush uses it as something to point at and laugh, discounting it as meaning nothing. IT IS SOMETHING, it means we have at least accomplished a stated goal. We said we would bring security to Iraq and are making a meaningful step forward. A needed step forward in the grand scheme of things there. There needs to be a balance and to recognize the true meaning of such a step forward. That is lacking, mainly because it is left standing alone by both sides.

    There is as needed as the reports of improvement militarily, reported improvement in the Government even small improvements. With Fox and the White House focusing only on the military security improvements. And MSM focusing only on the failures on the Government side of Iraq. The American people are left with no real hope that this mistake will ever be made right.

    “There’s been a threat of WWIII ever since the “A-Bomb” was invented. This is nothing new“.That is true Kansas, we are of the generation that use to practice hiding under our School desks in the event of a nuclear strike! OMG was that naive or what? They don’t still do that do they? But was the fear it would be the United States that started WWIII? John Bolton former ambassador to the U.N. recently said that if attacked the Iranians would not take it personally. We can not fall into the same thought process we have about race. Yes any one nation does not stand a real chance of defeating the U.S. in a fight, even the big boys (China, Russia) know that they will not fair well against the U.S. BUT in the event that it is more then one nation, a case where every nation takes a side. I discount Afghanistan, we were attacked and that was where the attackers were. But Iraq change the page, the “Bush Doctrine” changed the page, no longer just staying out of our way assure a nation is safe from our might. An attack on Iran would be read as now two nations whom have not done anything to us have been attacked. The rest will feel they have no choice and have to choose sides and we will be in the wrong. As the rest of the world is not seeing it the way the United States does. Certainly not in the middle east and parts of Europe, it is obvious that Russian and China do not. Both are the only ones that might be able to fight us to a draw, they side with those oppressed will be like a mirror image of the way it use to be. We have always stood as the last hope of the world to save them from those that would use their might to force their will on others. Bush said that freedom is a God given right, but freedom has never been just given to anyone people. It has to be the people wanting to be free, willing to spend their own blood and lives for it. It can not be imposed on them, brought to them without their wanting it with all their hearts and souls. Iraq is the perfect example of that, given to them and they were lost with it. There were no Washington, no Jefferson or Franklin, Patrick Henry no one whom had to think and reason for it to be. We installed a government for them and any attempt by them to form their own way of governing has been blocked by the White House.

  6. AmerDAD
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 5:32 am | Permalink

    Since this is an open post and since I took an attack concerning an issue I wanted to post comment here to ensure the issue would be more current than the prior blog point.

    The personal attack came concerning my use of colorful verbage about SG county and some of the civil servants and judges who have more than lost their way in dealing with citizens,specifically Kansas Judicial Commission reprimanded judge Pilshaw.

    Some bloggers will remember Pilshaw from the Kansas newspaper poll (July 2006) which revealed that her fellow attorneys found her to be the most unethical and unfair judge on the SG bench.

    It is amazing that about 114 attorneys could agree she was the worst judge in SG county. The second worst judge (per the news poll)was voted off the bench over a year ago.

    I will bet that 114 attorneys could not agree on what pizza to order or any other single fact,but obviously they came to agreement that Pilshaw IS the worst judge in SG county.

    Here is my response to the person who apparently believes it is “mindless babble” to keep the issue alive,(probably the campaign manager for Pilshaw’s re-election):

    Mindless babble,hmm,let’s see…Pilshaw has been reprimanded twice this year for conduct unbecoming a judge.

    She apparently wasn’t satisfied with her unique brand of bias conduct towards litigants,she went on to threaten jury members.

    These events were reported by your Kansas press. Do you think these are isolated events for this judge?

    A career Kansas SRS attorney who had a long reputation for wrongful family law actions aburptly left and went to work (at a big pay cut no doubt)for a small town bank. He should have been in the “prime” of his questionable career!

    A deputy from good ol’ SG county recently left his post after years of actions in which he consistently violated the civil rights of citizens.

    I make no excuse for using whatever dramatic statements from history,the Bible,or even the movies.

    The fact is whenever the civil rights of citizens are purposely violated by persons who are sworn to uphold the law,it is an evil that should not be tolerated.

    No one on this blog reprimanded Pilshaw,the Kansas Judicial Commission did.

    I have seen what persons like Pilshaw & Ladner,and a host of
    persons in SG county are capable of doing without regard for the Constituition,Federal Law or the Statutes of any State.

    When Law & Statute cease to have meaning to government & Court officials,we become nothing more than victims of persons drunk with power & position.

    I can tell you beyond any reasonable doubt that Pilshaw and other Court & government officials violated the law & statute so flagrantly that there only option in a specific case was to dismiss with prejuidice and Kansas to bear all costs.

    These specific persons took on the same demeanor as the North Carolina prosecutor (Nifong-Duke students case) who knew that he was completing wrongful acts under the color of law.

    He did not care what laws he had to abuse and violate and neither did these persons from SG county.

    This type of conduct from SG county is not a remote event,but standard operating procedure and the result is what the Courts and government call “MANIFEST INJUSTICE.”

    So your ridicule and mocking Apophis does not phase me,because you are either unaware of the damage and destruction persons suffer due to the wrongful standard operating procedures of these persons or you do not believe your own news sources.

    I know for a fact,in a specific case,even with all of their collective might,falsely sworn oaths,suborning of perjury,and knowingly wrongful acts under the color of law,they did not prevail.

    I know in this one matter,that SG county no longer controls what will transpire,they can only try in weakness to defend the well documented violations of Kansas & Federal Statute they with malice perpetrated.

    Every word I have ever written on these blogs has said the same thing in different fashions…Pilshaw should NOT be a judge,nor should persons sworn to uphold the law,purposely and with malice commit crimes to “WIN” a case.

    These type of government & court officials belong in prison & jail,not determining the fate of others in family,civil,or criminal proceedings.

  7. Posted November 25, 2007 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    We installed a government for them and any attempt by them to form their own way of governing has been blocked by the White House.

    Posted by: writerdog | November 25, 2007 at 05:20 AM

    So you are saying that the vote the Iraqi people had with the “purple fingers” and the votes in the Iraqi Parliament were staged or blocked by the Bush Administration?

  8. Posted November 25, 2007 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    haha, the Coultergeist is so funny sometimes. Enjoy! :D

    ===================NYT: Suicide Manual for Demsby Ann CoulterPosted: 11/21/2007

    “Here’s a story that may not have been deemed “Fit to Print”: In the six months that ended Sept. 25, The New York Times’ daily circulation was down another 4.51 percent to about a million readers a day. The paper’s Sunday circulation was down 7.59 percent to about 1.5 million readers. In short, the Times is dropping faster than Hillary in New Hampshire. (Meanwhile, the Drudge Report has more than 16 million readers every day.)

    One can only hope that none of the Democratic presidential candidates are among the disaffected hordes lining up to cancel their Times subscriptions.

    The Times is so accustomed to lying about the news to prove that “most Americans” agree with the Times, that it seems poised to lead the Democrats — and any Republicans stupid enough to believe the Times — down a primrose path to their own destruction.

    So if you know a Democratic presidential candidate who doesn’t currently read the Times, by all means order him a subscription.

    On Sunday, Times readers learned that despite this year’s historic revolt of normal Americans against amnesty for illegal aliens: “Some polls show that the majority of Americans agree with proposals backed by most Democrats in the Senate, as well as some Republicans, to establish a path to citizenship for immigrants here illegally.”

    Was the reporter who wrote that sentence the Darfur bureau chief for the past year? By “some polls,” I gather he means “a show of hands during a meeting of the Times editorial board” or “a quick backstage survey in the MSNBC greenroom.”

    As I believe Americans made resoundingly clear this year, the only “path to citizenship” they favor involves making an application from Norway, waiting a few years and then coming over when it’s legal.

    Americans were so emphatic on this point that they forced a sitting president to withdraw his signature legislative accomplishment for his second term — amnesty for illegal aliens, aka a “path to citizenship” for illegals.

    This was the goal supported by the president’s acolytes at the Fox News Channel as well as a nearly monolithic Democratic Party and its acolytes at ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, MTV, Oxygen TV, the Food Network, the Golf Channel, the Home Shopping Network, The in-house “Learn to Gamble” channel at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas and Comedy Central (unless that was just a sketch on the “Mind of (Carlos) Mencia”).

    But ordinary Americans had a different idea. Their idea was: Let’s not reward law-breakers with the ultimate prize: U.S. citizenship. And the ordinary Americans won.The Times disregards all of that history to announce that it has secret polls showing that Americans support a “path to citizenship” for illegals after all! These polls are living in the shadows!

    Only those “angriest on immigration,” the Times said, are still using the various words related to immigration that liberals are trying to turn into new “N-words,” such as, for example, “immigration.” With an exhausting use of air quotes, the Times reports that: “The Republicans have railed against ‘amnesty’ and ’sanctuary cities.’ They have promised to build a fence on the Mexican border to keep ‘illegals’ out.”

    In liberal-speak, that sentence would read: “The Republicans have railed against ‘puppies’ and ‘kittens.’ They have promised to build a fence on the Mexican border to keep ‘baby seals’ out.” (In my version, the sentence would read: “Believing New York Times ‘polls,’ Democrats irritate ‘voters.’”)

    Half the English language is becoming the “N-word” as far as liberals are concerned. Words are always bad for liberals. Words allow people to understand what liberals are saying.

    According to the Times, all decent, cultured Americans cringe when politicians use foul words like “illegals” to describe illegals. Apparently, what most Americans are clamoring for is yet more automatic messages that begin, “Press ‘1′ for English.” That, at least, is the message the Times got from the stunning victory of grassroots over the elites on the immigration bill this year.

    It is against my best interests to mention how utterly out of touch Times editors and reporters are with any Americans east of Central Park West and west of Riverside Drive. I enjoy watching the Democratic presidential candidates take clear, unequivocal positions in favor of driver’s licenses for illegals and then denouncing those very positions a week later (after the real polls come in).

    Some people love watching the trees change color every fall. I enjoy watching the candidates’ positions on immigration change.

    But it is too much for any human to endure to read the Times’ version of history in which “most Americans” agree with the Times on illegal immigration in the very year Americans punched back against illegal immigration so hard that the entire Washington establishment is still reeling. It’s not like we have to go back to the Coolidge administration to get some sense of what Americans think about amnesty for illegals. (I mean “amnesty” for “illegals.”)

    Using the Times’ calculus, “most Americans” have also enthusiastically embraced soccer and the metric system.

    Read The New York Times, Democrats. Make my day.”

  9. writerdog
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Kansas in part that was a problem from the beginning, Bremer when in as a military Governor instead of a guild. The policy was modeled after the post war Japan governing model for Christ sake! The major problem with that is the obvious. The Japanese were a defeated people, we had defeated Japan in a war of their aggression. The Iraqis were not defeated they were “liberated” as such they should have been allowed to pick their candidates. The debate in Washington went way into the night as to what candidates the Iraqis should have to vote for or against. That is Democracy? True enough that is for the most part just how our own elections work, the party makes a decision as to who the candidate will be. But unlike our own elections a foreign Government does not have a real say in the matter ( Yeah I know Ed will argue that no one get elected that Israel does not approve of. But that aside). The Sunni were so sure that the elections were fix that they did not even vote. In part they were right in that as I said the candidates were hand picked by the Bush administration. The strongest possible candidate, the former PM Allawi was blocked by Washington because he was thought to be to unwilling to allow the level of guidance that Washington wanted to have. Cheney begrudgingly agree to scrap his hand picked candidate Ahrmed Chalabi and his people.

    BUT I will admit as for giving hope to a occupied people the purple finger did, at least till they saw no real progress in their personal lives.

  10. Posted November 25, 2007 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Looks like Max should make his concerns about McAllen, TX, known to the appropriate Fed authority.

  11. Posted November 25, 2007 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    The purple finger election in Iraq was a great sound byte for Dubya Bushie… nothing more, nothing less…

  12. Posted November 25, 2007 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Time to get something started for Sunday Dinner… then see if the Chiefs can do any better at Arrowhead than KU managed to do..

  13. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    The purple finger election in Iraq was a great sound byte for Dubya Bushie… nothing more, nothing less…

    Posted by: Chas. | November 25, 2007 at 10:55 AM

    “sound byte…purple finger…”

    ya okay Chas :D

  14. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    hey, the sound clips are all computerized… thats not a false statement, Kansas!! LOL

  15. The Phantom
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    I see Randy is back up on his Smoke soap box again this morning. Sounds like one pass through a smoke filled bar and one’s doomed for life from the second hand smoke!

  16. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Yea, Phantom, I am really tired of the war on smokers!!

  17. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    I guess all the CO in the parking garages doesnt hurt anybody… or the smoke from the BBQ, or from the neighbors fire place spewing smoke out into the nite…

  18. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Kansas unfortunately Chas suffers from delusions. I’m not sure what is causing it but I have my own ideas. We should just play along and let him think he knows what he is talking about or he will start throwing caps and exclamation points at us.

  19. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Take your pot shots Grm, you’ll get yours one of these days!! I havent said anything delusional on here yet… Some people have problems with their reading glasses…

  20. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    “The report noted that Iraqi women, once “the most emancipated in the Arab world”

    Writerdog I would have to doubt the truth of any part of an article that contains this phrase. Do you not remember the beatings, the mass graves filled with women and small children, the rape rooms – forgive my unbelief but that article doesn’t hold water. I’ll take Bush’s version over that one.

  21. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Chas why do you think I wear glasses? Have I told you that? If my opinion differs from yours I must wear glasses? Odd. But to each his own.

  22. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    I see you dont do jokes well either.. LOL

  23. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    And with reference to WD’s article on the women’s issues, I suggest you READ the article, before taking it apart?? That might be a rather good move…

  24. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    And as to that article referenced by WD — I would highly suggest you Read the article, before you take it apart.. That would be a really good move, Grm..

  25. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    I can laugh at jokes with the best of them. Say something funny and let’s see.

  26. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Pardon the double post… the first one came up with “page not available” So I typed in another one…

  27. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Chas why do you think I didn’t read it?

  28. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    But.. but.. I did… I suggested you put on your reading glasses, before you start in on your ridiculing posts.. And you didnt laugh!! LOL

  29. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see Your mind was already made up, so you dont want to get confused with facts??

  30. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Chas you really should go and cook dinner and get ready for the ball game. Your comments are even flatter than usual today.

  31. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    For the records I didn’t agree with the ‘facts’ the writer of that article put forth. Now are you going to tell me that I have to wait for you to give me my opinion before I can have one.

  32. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    See?? There you go with your idiotic ridicule.. Nothing substantive… I would think that as a woman, you would be incensed over the way the Arab world treats women!! I cant believe the cavalier attitude you take toward the evil treatment that the Saudi and other Arab states hand out to their females!!

  33. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    So, you disagree with the “facts” that the Arab treats its women like chattle, and like dirt?? Like they cant exist without a Man hanging on to their skirts?

  34. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Chas I have had all the ‘fun’ I can take with you today. Pick on someone else. It’s ok with me. Gotta go.

  35. Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Sure — run off and not address the issue you disagee with, that women in the Arab World are treated like chattle.. Do you really defend that stuff??

  36. JM
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    A little something for Max. Just to fuel the paranoia.

    http://www.lcurve.org/

    Sigh. I suppose it would be too much wish for to wish Max would understand it. Probably too complicated, so it will boil down to “THEY are taking MY money”.

  37. Posted November 25, 2007 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Seems fairly simple — Rich get richer, poor get poorer!! same old same old!!

  38. Posted November 25, 2007 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    i THINK ALMOST ALL OF US CAN RELATE TO THIS >>>

    At first I thought this was funny…then I realized the awful truth of it.
    Be sure to read all the way to the end!

    Tax his land,
    Tax his bed,
    Tax the table
    At which he’s fed.

    Tax his tractor,
    Tax his mule,
    Teach him taxes
    Are the rule.

    Tax his cow,
    Tax his goat,
    Tax his pants,
    Tax his coat.

    Tax his ties,
    Tax his shirt,
    Tax his work,
    Tax his dirt.

    Tax his tobacco,
    Tax his drink,
    Tax him if he
    Tries to think.

    Tax his cigars,
    Tax his beers,
    If he cries, thenTax his tears.

    Tax his car,
    Tax his gas,
    Find other ways
    To tax his ass

    Tax all he has
    Then let him know
    That you won’t be done
    Till he has no dough.

    When he screams and hollers,
    Then tax him some more,
    Tax him till
    He’s good and sore.

    Then tax his coffin ,
    Tax his grave,
    Tax the sod in
    Which he’s laid.

    Put these words
    upon his tomb,
    ” Taxes drove me to my doom…”

    When he’s gone,
    Do not relax,
    Its time to apply
    The inheritance tax.

    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    CDL license Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Excise Taxes
    Federal Income Tax
    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
    Gross Receipts Tax
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Inventory Tax
    IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Taxes
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Personal Property Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate TaxRoad Usage Tax
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    Service Charge TaxSocial Security TaxSales Tax
    School Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
    Telephone State and Local Tax
    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Utility Taxes
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax

    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
    and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
    We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest
    middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to
    raise the kids.

    What the hell happened? Can you spell “politicians!”

    And…. I still have to “press 1″for English.

  39. Max
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    A little something for Max. Just to fuel the paranoia.

    http://www.lcurve.org/

    Sigh. I suppose it would be too much wish for to wish Max would understand it. Probably too complicated, so it will boil down to “THEY are taking MY money”.Posted by: JM | November 25, 2007 at 12:34 PM

    Only a Socialist would have a problem with success. Socialists would take all the money away from those rich bastards who earned it.

    A very different picture is painted if you also graph (onto the same football field) the dollars paid in taxes by each income group.

    Until the tax rate for the richest is 100%, the Socialists will not be satisfied.

  40. Posted November 25, 2007 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Max, I didnt think the graph had as much to do with taxes, as it did with the Income Gap, which apparently is growing even more than I thought!!

  41. Posted November 25, 2007 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Max, I keep tellin you, you are picking on the wrong economic system… What your paranoia is aimed at is the Totalitarian, Communist State… NOT the Socialist State!!

  42. political_mom
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Max, your first post…so you’re telling me that since the people who live on the border- they shouldn’t participate in the political process? You people slay me with your digging here and digging there anything that you think MAY make Hillary sound bad. Prove something illegal is going on or shut up.

    Your second post…have you ever had a student loan? These people should be criminals the way they do people. I had to get a deferrment and I had no alternative to pay back a smaller amount, no. It’s all or nothing baby-crooked as all get out. And you can’t file bankruptcy on them- so why do they get preferential treatment if they’re going to act like a govt agency, but screw people over like a private one?

  43. political_mom
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Grm, Iraq was one of the free-er states for women in the ARAB world. Note I said WAS. We’ve been talking about this problem for years, where have you been in the discussion? You’d think with all we’ve discussed this, and how much you’re all up on the war support that you’d know this.

    Women in Iraq had better economic freedom, property holdings, legal recourse than in any other Arab nation. Saudi is HORRID for the treatment of women. Yet, we call them our allies. Yes Saddam did horrible things to the women of rival sects…the ones who believe that should be the standard treatment of all women. But he allowed them to hold office, and even allowed other religions to EXIST under his watch.

    I’m not saying he’s any kind of role model, but he had done better for women than most.

    And now, the ones who really hate women are in power.

  44. Posted November 25, 2007 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    PMom– They explained it to me that they are sort of a government agency, but sort of a private one too.. either way, they screw you for all they can get!! Much needed area for major reforms!!

  45. political_mom
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    “Only a Socialist would have a problem with success. Socialists would take all the money away from those rich bastards who earned it. ”

    Yeah off the slave labor they pay. What about the people who really did the earning FOR them?Oh that’s right, they don’t count.

  46. parkay
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Abortion mills continue to target the black community at a rate 3 times higher, and 10% of abortions are committed using the deadly, dangerous RU-486 abortion drug, much more dangerous than surgical first-trimester abortions. Expect more RU-486 botched abortion deaths to be uncovered, particularly in Planned Parenthood’s Missouri RU-486 abortion mill, and in Iowa, where over 20% of abortions are committed with RU-486. Nearly 70% of Maryland’s abortions were repeat abortions, clearly indicating abortion as birth control. 1.3% of abortions are post-viable, higher in Kansas. Kansas is second only to Washington, DC in the percentage of out-of-state abortions, at 48%, as mothers come to Kansas to commit post-viable abortions not tolerated elsewhere. Amazingly, insurance companies often pay for out-of-state, high-risk, elective, post-viable abortions, arousing large suspicions.Meanwhile, Democrats talk about ways to reduce abortions, but in reality only try to funnel more money into Planned Parenthood abortion mills for condoms and contraceptives with known failure rates, resulting in more unexpected pregnancies. Nearly 2/3 of abortions involve some type of coercion, but Democrats are not talking about any independent medical/social review boards investigating coercion, fraud, and illegality before approving abortions, which would seriously reduce abortions and cut down on abortion mill profits. No common ground with abortion advocates there.- – -

    During Sunday’s ABC interview on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” Mr. Stephanopoulos corrected his previous lie saying that an autopsy proved that Terri Schiavo was brain dead, essentially saying he had no basis for telling that lie to candidate Fred Thompson, who has still not denounced the lie.- – -
    Hog Futures Hillary intends to spend more federal funds promoting early detection and intervention in autism, typically diagnosed in children at age 2. I suspect she wants to find a way to diagnose the condition before birth, and then promote more abortions as “intervention”, funneling more federal funds to Planned Parenthood abortion mills.

  47. parkay
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Scientists at the Weizmann Institute in Israel have proposed a mechanism that provides an explanation for the remarkable precision of the genetic time bomb causing Huntington’s and other trinucleotide repeat diseases. Huntington’s disease is a genetic time bomb: Programmed in the genes, it appears at a predictable age in adulthood, causing a progressive decline in mental and neurological function and finally death. There is, to date, no cure, but this research may point to an eventual treatment using gene therapy instead of useless, unethical, unnecessary embryonic stem cell research.- – -

    Researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine have taken a small but significant step, in mouse studies, toward the goal of transplanting ethical adult stem cells to create a new immune system for people with autoimmune or genetic blood diseases. A person with an autoimmune disease such as multiple sclerosis has a defective immune system in which immune cells attack the person’s own body. An immune system transplant, much like a liver or heart transplant, would give the person a new system that might not attack the body. Likewise, in people with a genetic disorder such as sickle cell anemia, the new blood system would not have the sickle-cell mutation, eliminating the cause of disease.- – -

    Researchers at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago have successfully used a peptide to reverse biochemical, cellular and anatomical changes that occur in the brains of mice with Parkinson’s disease, and report success in preventing the disease from progression. This, yet another new and promising approach to curing Parkinson’s Disease, is what Michael J. Fox should be talking about, instead of useless, unethical, unnecessary embryonic stem cell research.(Mr. Fox’s foundation supplied grants for this ethical research, to his credit.)Perhaps the news media will soon be forced to stop spiking reports of major breakthroughs in medical research that do not involve useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research.See science pagehttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071123201137.htmand pagehttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071120092709.htm- – -

  48. Posted November 25, 2007 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Grm, Iraq was one of the free-er states for women in the ARAB world. Note I said WAS. We’ve been talking about this problem for years, where have you been in the discussion? You’d think with all we’ve discussed this, and how much you’re all up on the war support that you’d know this.Posted by: political_mom | November 25, 2007 at 02:37 PM

    Does that freedom include the times the Hussein brothers would sweep a neighbor to find the virgins of their choice, take them to their private apartments and rape the women?

    That kind of freedom PMom?

  49. Posted November 25, 2007 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Factoids from the U.S. Mint

    “In God We Trust” on coins – Printed around the edge?

    http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/$1coin/index.cfm?flash=yes&action=EdgeIncused

  50. political_mom
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Oh now you did it Parkay you SOB. Early detection is KEY in autism to helping kids and parents to get early intervention. See, this shows how flipping downright stupid you douchebags are. If you had half a brain cell you’d know that autism is extremely hard to deal with- it’s about helping the kids and maybe getting parents on birth control before they end up with TWO autistic kids. Teaching parents how to cope early, with detection and learning techniques is so important…you know, to keep parents halfway sane when the stress is about to kill you.

    As far as abortion providers TARGETING..you just contradicted yourself. They go seeking…because guess what? Life isn’t good to them and they feel this is what they must do to survive. Repeat doesn’t mean birth control, it means that they didn’t get on birth control. Abortion as birth control would get mightily expensive. The reason Kansas has higher numbers is because women WILL GO ANYWHERE AND DO ANYTHING if they feel this is what is best for them. You show in all of your statements that this is so, but you never address the reason why women are feeling this way. God you’re stupid. Why don’t you pray god help them to find a way?

    “Nearly 2/3 of abortions involve some type of coercion,” Did you pull this out of your ass? Did you pull it all out of your ass?

    Guess what Por-kay. If I ended up pregnant (which I won’t), and there was a test for autism, perhaps I’d be more LIKELY to go through with the pregnancy. The chance is 50-50. As it stands, I wouldn’t chance it-so currently I’d have a 100% chance of having an abortion. So a test would show me that I had a CHOICE to have a healthy child instead of aborting a potentially healthy child. You never can see it both ways can you?

  51. political_mom
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Kansas they sucked. There is no excuse for their behavior…but I will maintain two doing it is better than an entire nation of men doing it-and condoning it.

    And that’s what you’ve got now.

  52. Posted November 25, 2007 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Kansas they sucked. There is no excuse for their behavior…but I will maintain two doing it is better than an entire nation of men doing it-and condoning it.

    And that’s what you’ve got now.

    Posted by: political_mom | November 25, 2007 at 04:34 PM

    What makes you think the “rape reporting system” in the old Iraq was accurate? :)

  53. Posted November 25, 2007 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    I dont think anybody suggested it either way, Kansas… Why would you even bring it up?? It happens… isnt that bad enough??

  54. Posted November 25, 2007 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    I dont think anybody suggested it either way, Kansas… Why would you even bring it up?? It happens… isnt that bad enough??

    Posted by: Chas. | November 25, 2007 at 04:44 PM

    I didn’t bring it up, it was a response.

    Ever figure out the play off system for the Big 12 conference Chas? :)

  55. Posted November 25, 2007 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    In fact, I got a nice response from Bob Lutz… He explained it as good as it can be explained… it still doesnt make sense… It would make sense if Missouri ended up their season with a better record than Kansas, but they didnt… they ended up tied, but Missouri wins any way…

  56. Posted November 25, 2007 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    In fact, I got a nice response from Bob Lutz… He explained it as good as it can be explained… it still doesnt make sense… It would make sense if Missouri ended up their season with a better record than Kansas, but they didnt… they ended up tied, but Missouri wins any way…

    Posted by: Chas. | November 25, 2007 at 05:00 PM

    Well, one things for sure, KU did extremely well this year. Not only did they have a great record, they will go to a big bowl game and fatten up their coffers even more from television money.

    Lot of KU folks will be returning, so expect revenge for next year. :)

  57. Posted November 25, 2007 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    The more $$$ the football program makes for KU, the fewer tax dollars required to run the team..

  58. American Way
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    The more $$$ the football program makes for KU, the fewer tax dollars required to run the team..

    Posted by: Chas.

    Where on earth did you learn this one?

    The more money the SCHOOL makes, does not impact the amount of tax dollars we all pay in. In fact, because they had a good year – they may ask for MORE!!!

    Show me some stats on Colleges which REDUCE tuition costs because of their sports program. Or even reduce their greed for more money from all sources. Endowments may hit a billion dollars, but the universities will still hit the state up for more, and raise tuition!

  59. Posted November 25, 2007 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Just thought humor might be okay!

    How many administrative assistants does it take to change a light bulb? None. It won’t be changed until you fill out form #3422V – the light bulb change request form.

    How many advertising executives does it take to change a light bulb? Interesting question, what do YOU think?

    How many antelopes does it take to change a light bulb? None, they are hardy animals that migrate between tundra and wide open plains and therefore have no need for an artificial light source.

    How many Apple Computer employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? Seven, one to screw it in and six to design the T-shirts.

    How many art students does it take to change a light bulb? One, but he gets two credits.

    How many babysitters does it take to change a light bulb? None, Pampers don’t come in a size that small.

    How many beer makers does it take to change a light bulb? About one third less than for a regular bulb.

    How many beta testers does it take to change a light bulb? None. They just find the problems, they don’t fix them.

    How many bluegrass musicians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Four. One to change it, and three to complain that it’s electric.

    How many board meetings does it take to get a light bulb changed? This topic was resumed from last week’s discussion, but is incomplete, pending resolution of some action items. It will be continued next week.

    How many chiropractors does it take to change a light bulb? One, but it takes them three visits.

    How many Communists does it take to screw in a light bulb? The light bulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.

    How many conservative economists does it take to change a light bulb? None, the darkness will cause the light bulb to change by itself.

    How many dull people does it take to change a light bulb? One.

    How many dyslexics does it change to take a light bulb? Eno.

    How many evolutionists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but it takes eight million years.

    How many Federal employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? Sorry, that item has been cut from the budget.

    How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb? Sixteen. One to change it, and fifteen to form a support group.

    How many firemen does it take to change a light bulb? Four, one to change the bulb and three to cut a hole in the roof.

    How many Florida residents does it take to change a light bulb? Nobody knows, they’re still counting.

    How many frat guys does it take to screw in a light bulb? Three, one to screw it in, and two to help him down off the keg.

    How many goths does it take to change a light bulb? None. They prefer everything dark.

    How many grad students does it take to change a light bulb? One, but it takes ten years.

    How many ice skaters does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two, one to screw in the bulb, one to hire a hit man to club the other skater on the knee.

    How many IRS agents does it take to screw in a light bulb? Only one, but it really gets screwed.

    How many jugglers does it take to change a light bulb? One, but it takes three bulbs.

    How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a light bulb? It burned out? You must be using a non-standard socket.

    How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a light bulb? None, they merely change the standard to darkness and then they upgrade the customers.

    How many mutants does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two-thirds.

    How many mystery writers does it take to change a light bulb? Two. One to screw the bulb almost all the way in, and one to give a surprising twist at the end.

    How many narcissists does it take to change a light bulb? One. He holds the bulb while the world revolves around him.

    How many optimists does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they’re convinced that the power will come back on soon.

    How many paranoids does it take to change a light bulb? WHO WANTS TO KNOW?

    How many Pentium owners does it take to change a light bulb? 0.99987, but that’s close enough for most applications.

    How many politicians does it take to change a light bulb? 1,000,001. One to change the bulb, and 1,000,000 to rebuild civilization to the point where they need light bulbs again.

    How many procrastinators does it take to screw in a light bulb? One, but he has to wait until the light is better.

    How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb? None, that’s a hardware problem.

    How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? One, but only if the light bulb really wants to change.

    How many ‘real’ programmers does it take to change a light bulb? None. ‘Real’ programmers prefer LEDs.

    How many reference librarians does it take to change a light bulb? I don’t know, I’ll have to check on that and get back to you.

    How many safety inspectors does it take to change a light bulb? Four. One to change it, and three to hold the ladder.

    How many science fiction writers does it take to change a light bulb? Two, but it’s actually the same person doing it. He went back in time and met himself in the doorway and then the first one sat on the other one’s shoulder so that they were able to reach it. Then a major time paradox occurred and the entire room, light bulb, changer and all was blown out of existence.

    How many social scientists does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they do not change light bulbs; they search for the root cause as to why the last one went out.

    How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb? Two. One always leaves in the middle of the project.

    How many stockbrokers does it take to change a light bulb? Oh, no! The bulb’s out! Sell my GE stock NOW!!

    How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb? The bicycle’s broken.

    How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb? To get to the other side.

    How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb? Two. One to hold the giraffe, and one to put the clocks in the bathtub.

    How many Taoists does it take to change a light bulb? You cannot change a light bulb. By nature, it will go out again.

    How many telemarketers does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but they have to do it while you’re eating dinner.

    How many Valley Girls does it take to change a light bulb? Oh my GOD! Like, manual labor? Gag me with a spoon! For sure.

    How many Valley Girls does it take to change a light bulb? Two. One to get an Evian, and one to call Daddy.

    How many visitors to an art gallery does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two, one to do it and one to say “Huh! My four-year old could’ve done that!”

    How many Zen masters does it take to change a light bulb? Two. One to change it, and one not to change it.

  60. Posted November 25, 2007 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    I never said anything about Tuition costs, AmWay!!

    But I do know that some of the really good sports teams carry their own weight…

    Better check that out Amway!!

  61. Posted November 25, 2007 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Oh yea, Breathe now, Awinters!! LOL!!

  62. writerdog
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Writerdog I would have to doubt the truth of any part of an article that contains this phrase.ksgrm

    actually that was not mine, but I have to say as to degrees Iraq was more secular then some in the region.
    It is possible that women for the most part were more “the most emancipated in the Arab world,”though as a brutal dictator. Saddam might just not be a sexist and as a point of order. The rape rooms were not exclusively used for women.

  63. political_mom
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    I cannot believe Susan Peters is putting out bs information on abstinence only program pure and simple. Studies over and over again prove that this GOVT FUNDED org isn’t making any changes.

  64. Pat Herron
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    PMOM posts ARE effective in supporting abstinence.

    I was going to take care of one of my girlfriends tonight, read PMOM’s posts, and now I have a headache.

  65. Dennis
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Where did you get the idea that Susan Peters is a journalist?

  66. Posted November 25, 2007 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Susan Peters is a news babe…

  67. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Yep Susan Peters is on one of the Local News stations… Ch. 10?? I think??

  68. Pat Herron
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Peters and all the other Main Stream Media are Democrats. Duh!

    http://www.nbc11.com/msnbcnews/13545427/detail.html

    MSNBC.com identified 144 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 17 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.

    An ABC anchor in Wichita, Susan Peters, gave $600 to America Coming Together.

  69. Pat Herron
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    http://www.kake.com/station/bios/news/12121.html

    Susan used to be a Hot Babe reporter. Getting a little wrinkled and worn out now.

    Look forward to the next babe reporter moving in soon.

  70. political_mom
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Heh Dennis, after that piece, I think you’re right.

    And yes, they DO leave out the just as important parts of sex education, such as how to protect yourself when you do choose to have sex. It’s another front to the fundie groups…matter of fact I believe I posted about how some of that abstinence only money gets funnelled to the anti-abortion groups for their propaganda.

  71. bee
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    hi y’all

    I think I might sting ol’ Pat Herron. She’s kinda confused.

  72. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    I dunno Pat, Susan Peters still has some babeness…

  73. Pat Herron
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I know Kansas. The older we get, the better they look when they get older.

    Except for Barbara Walters. Even when she was younger, she looked older. Never saw any attraction there.

    I like the babes with the shiniest bright red lipstick. They tend to lick their lips a lot. Hard to understand them sometimes, but then, I don’t really care what they say anyway.

  74. bee
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    I’s sad for ya kansas. Ya get’s your sexual stimulation from the TV.Maybe why yo’ wife left ya. Maybe why ya’s spends so much time here.

  75. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    I see that bee is hiding from posting his usual nic.

    No cajones eh?

    Nothing like a bitter old Lib to spoil the fun…

  76. Pat Herron
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    What a friggin Bee brain.

    Where did IT come from?

    Sound’s like Chas. Or Political Mom.

    Same difference.

  77. bee
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    I’s thinkin’ you kansas an’ Pat are peas in a pod. Y’all oughta get it private seein’ as how no one wants ya here. Either Y’all are the same person or ya are lost souls looking for each o’er.

    I’s can make the introduction. kansas meet pat. Pat meet kansas. y’all get a room and leave us here about be.

  78. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Okay, obviously the amateur bee wants to play, but can’t quite figure out how to get past “middle school” insults.

    I guess bee is thinking we never heard anything like this before and actually take it personally.

    Oh, the trauma and pain. lmao!

    bee…

    What a maroon…

  79. bee
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Don’tcha flail yo’ arms at me kansas. I’s well aware o’ ya. I even know yo’ real name. You all can’t change that. Likes ya changes yo’ nics hereabouts.

  80. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Don’tcha flail yo’ arms at me kansas. I’s well aware o’ ya. I even know yo’ real name. You all can’t change that. Likes ya changes yo’ nics hereabouts.

    Posted by: bee | November 25, 2007 at 11:44 PM

    Know my real name eh?

    So Bee, are you going to threaten me with it?

    Are you stating in front of all on the blog to see that you are going to threaten revealing my name on the blog once again, just so you can win what? Ego points? Blog points? Little hide behind the false nic points?

    What a pathetic loser you are Bee, no one cares for losers and you certainly are one.

    You know, I had a dream. I came up behind you, lifted you up by the neck and enjoyed watching your feet dangle in the air while you were gasping for air.

    Think about it, it could happen.

    Oh was that a threat or a dream.

    :)

  81. bee
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    I’s gettin’ at ya kansas. That last you spat was real revealin’.

  82. Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Yes J R, I mean Bee, I get psychotic right before I go to bed.

    Zippity doo dah

    off to bed…

  83. bee
    Posted November 25, 2007 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Y’all can’t threaten me kansas. Y’all aint got brains to shade a shade. ‘Cause you’s in a shade. Ya aint right in yo’ head.

  84. bee
    Posted November 26, 2007 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    Aint no sign o’ pat. Maybe ol’ pat she foun’ kansas’s basement and they’s gettin tender jes now. But maybe pat she’s jes another name for kansas. That’s what I’s thinkin’kansas he gon’ be back in the early hours ‘for the dawn. That boy he live in front of his keyboard and not much elsewheres. ‘cept in his basement with them mice and cheetos.