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sort and deport, pass laws now before the citizens take care of it..
Some people just have that Midas’ Touch!
http://potw.news.yahoo.com/s/potw/55334/rolling-in-cash
Bye-bye, gift shopping! :(
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071121/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices;_ylt=Ait2OEwLxBBpWzTe9jyDwTys0NUE
The Supreme Court is going to hear it:
High Court to Weigh Ban on Gun Ownership
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071121/D8T1OEUO0.html
“WASHINGTON (AP) – The Supreme Court said Tuesday it will decide whether the District of Columbia can ban handguns, a case that could produce the most in-depth examination of the constitutional right to “keep and bear arms” in nearly 70 years.”
“Had US troops marched another 100 miles, Saddam would have been taken out 15 years sooner.But the Libs wouldn’t want to violate any UN Resolution which called for action to remove Iraqi troops from Kuwait, and not go too far north“.
Max though that is the continuing argument, President G.H. Bush answered it quite well in his address to a gathering of veteran of that war:
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=4930
“”I’ll never forget,” he said, when Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Colin Powell “came over and said it was time to end the fighting — mission accomplished. I said, ‘Do [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf and the commanders agree.’”
Bush said that within 30 seconds Powell had Schwarzkopf on the phone assuring him that the mission had been accomplished.
“I don’t believe in mission creep,” he continued. “Had we gone into Baghdad — we could have done it, you guys could have done it, you could have been there in 48 hours — and then what?
“Which sergeant, which private, whose life would be at stake in perhaps a fruitless hunt in an urban guerilla war to find the most-secure dictator in the world?
“Whose life would be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I, unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went beyond the stated mission, and said we’re going to show our macho?” he asked. “We’re going into Baghdad. We’re going to be an occupying power — America in an Arab land — with no allies at our side. It would have been disastrous.”“.
(following is the complete transcript)Bush tells Gulf vets why Hussein left in Baghdad
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Former President George Bush took the opportunity at the “8th Annual Reunion of Our Victory in the Desert” Feb. 28 to explain his reason for stopping Operation Desert Storm after 100 hours.
The mission was to eject Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, and that mission was accomplished, Bush told more than 200 Desert Storm veterans gathered for dinner Sunday night at Fort Myer, Va. Most of the veterans there had fought with VII Corps in the Gulf War which ended Feb. 27, 1991.
Bush said he didn’t get into the business of second-guessing his military commanders when they told him the mission was complete.
Bush said he can understand those who say, “Why didn’t you finish the job?” It burns me up, because we tried to finish the job — peacefully,” he explained, adding that he tried to do it with sanctions and by assuring Hussein that the coalition forces didn’t want one single soldier sent in harms way.
It was only after all peaceful means failed, he said, “that we had to fight. We ended the war in, you ended it, what was it, a hundred hours.”
“I’ll never forget,” he said, when Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Colin Powell “came over and said it was time to end the fighting — mission accomplished. I said, ‘Do [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf and the commanders agree.’”
Bush said that within 30 seconds Powell had Schwarzkopf on the phone assuring him that the mission had been accomplished.
“I don’t believe in mission creep,” he continued. “Had we gone into Baghdad — we could have done it, you guys could have done it, you could have been there in 48 hours — and then what?
“Which sergeant, which private, whose life would be at stake in perhaps a fruitless hunt in an urban guerilla war to find the most-secure dictator in the world?
“Whose life would be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I, unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went beyond the stated mission, and said we’re going to show our macho?” he asked. “We’re going into Baghdad. We’re going to be an occupying power — America in an Arab land — with no allies at our side. It would have been disastrous.”
Bush said, “We don’t gain the size of our victory by how many innocent kids running away — even though they’re bad guys — that we can slaughter. … We’re American soldiers; we don’t do business that way.”
“Am I happy that S.O.B. is still there?” Bush asked, then answered, “No.”
Bush said his memory of Vietnam influenced his thinking during the Gulf War. He recalled that politicians during the Vietnam War kept changing the conditions under which U.S. forces fought — bombing halts and cease-fires.
He said his view was different, and it was a view that was backed up by the secretary of defense and military leaders.
“Let the politicians do their diplomacy — and we worked hard to bring about a peaceful solution. We didn’t want any man or woman put into harm’s way,” Bush said.
“We worked hard to form an international coalition,” he explained, calling it historic in originality, diversity.
“But once the military mission had been defined and the fighting begun, I thought we ought to get the hell out of the way and let the military fight the war and win, and that’s exactly what you did. And God bless you for doing it,” he said, gesturing to retired Gen. Frederick M. Franks Jr., who commanded VII Corps during Desert Storm.
Bush said the United States learned in World War II — and learned it again before Operation Desert Storm — that you can’t appease an aggressor. “And had we gone for Saddam’s ploys, had we capitulated to those advocating a more-passive course, had we relied totally on sanctions … then we would have sent a signal of weakness to other would-be aggressors around the world,” he said.
“But we didn’t do that,” he continued. “We were clear in our purpose from the start. And just for the record, we gave peace a chance. Between August and the time you had to go into battle, we gave it a chance.
“Once it was clear that our diplomacy had failed, that U.N. resolutions would not work, that Saddam had no interest in peace … we did what we had to do — no more, no less.”
“We said this aggression would not stand,” he said, adding that the soldiers kept his word.
“Three times when I was president, I was called upon to make a decision that only the president can make, and it’s the toughest decision any president can make … when you’re going to send somebody else’s kid into harm’s way.”
He said that, perhaps because of his own service in the military, the decision was never easy. He said it should never be easy for any commander-in-chief.
“The decision to go to war is one that defines a nation to the world, and perhaps more importantly, to itself.”
He said that he knows he called on “all branches of our military to do some extraordinary things, but not once was I let down or was the country let down.”
At the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union, he said, he was apprehensive that there was a lot that could go wrong with the situation in Central and Eastern Europe rapidly became more fluid. That, fortunately, did not happen, he said, and the confrontation — the Cold War — ended without a shot being fired.
Returning to the issue of Hussein’s longevity, Bush jokingly called it “a sore spot with me” to be “out of work while Saddam Hussein still has a job. It’s not fair,” he asserted.
Still however, “he is no threat to invade another sovereign nation, and pillage its culture, and murder its citizens. He can brutalize his own people, and torment and torture them, but he can no longer pose a threat to his neighbors. And that’s just one of the benefits” of Desert Storm.
“As a result of that historic victory, we also saw American credibility go up. You all did this,” he said, gesturing to the assemblage.
Bush recalled Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Gorbachev calling him the second day of the bombings requesting a bombing halt. “‘We have an arrangement with Saddam Hussein that he will leave the sands of Kuwait,’ he said.
“We didn’t need to consult,” Bush explained. “I watched with horror bombing pauses of Vietnam when everybody kind of reinforced their positions, and our soldiers were the losers,” Bush said.
“I said we don’t need a bombing pause. He knows how he got in there — all he’s got to do is put his weapons down and walk out. Of course he wasn’t prepared to do that at all,” Bush said.
“In only a few times in America,” Bush said, “does history present us the direct opportunity to shape the world we live in. And we can be proud that when our moment came eight years ago, we were ready.
“Looking forward, we can only hope that future generations will stand ready to take up the flag to preserve the legacy of leadership” left by the VII Corps and other units participating in the Gulf War. “We hope that generations to come will be ever mindful of President Eisenhower’s observation that a soldier’s path isn’t so heavy a burden as a prisoner’s chains,” he concluded.
Sgt. 1st Class William F. Jackson Jr. and Master Sgt. Clistus B. Moon, both traveling to the reunion from Fort Stewart, Ga., shared the excitement of being singled out. Jackson said it was his first reunion. “I’m considering retirement right now, but I will make others if I get the chance.”
It was also Moon’s first Desert Storm reunion. He said he found out about it through the chaplains’ office at Fort Stewart. “I’d like to see them publicize [the reunions] better,” he said.
Jackson served with the 1st Engineer Battalion during Desert Storm. “We were responsible for breaching the Iraqi minefields for the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment,” Jackson said. And Moon was in the 2nd ACR.
Before the speech, Bush had spent about 45 minutes socializing and taking pictures with dinner guests. After dinner, he helped present $2,000 scholarships to Jolanda R. Knowlin and Judith P. McCall-Moye, family members of VII Corps Desert Storm veterans.
The dinner was the last of three events honoring Desert Storm veterans in the National Capital Region Sunday. The first was a noon tribute at Arlington National Cemetery to those who died in the Gulf War. Schwarzkopf was the guest speaker. The other was a memorial service at Fort Myer’s Memorial Chapel at which Franks was guest speaker.
SORT AND DEPORT !!!
I AM TIERD OF MY FAMILY BEING IN DANGER FROM MY OWN RACE, SORT AND DEPORT !!!
Jose,
If they are legal what do you have to worry about?
Jose, can you see?Are you related to one Ian Santiago?Are you, perhaps, Ian Santiago?
Jose, If your family is illegal, I say deport therm and quit sucking up my tax dollars!
Jose I misread your posts. My apologies.
“”"“Had US troops marched another 100 miles, Saddam would have been taken out 15 years sooner.But the Libs wouldn’t want to violate any UN Resolution which called for action to remove Iraqi troops from Kuwait, and not go too far north“.”"”"
I would not have went to Kuwait. Not our business. The Arabs should have taken care of it themselves. I’ll be damned if I would put the lives of American soldiers on the line to defend a King and Royal Family. A country where regular people have no rights and women are treated like shit. No way in hell would I have done it!
We don’t need that mideast oil.
We need to get flouresent light bulbs and conserve energy. Then we won’t need to be in the mideast.
We can conserve our energy and conserve our way away from dependence on mideast oil.
Shut down our coal plants and factories too.
Stop driving cars and stop imports from Asia.
This will help stop global warming too.
The lesson learned from Clinton is that you don’t go to war for long, for any reason.
If US troops get killed, pull em out, run, stop the war immediately.
We shouldn’t have soldiers getting killed in wars.
Clinton didn’t have more then a hundred troops killed in the 8 years he was President.
And Clinton didn’t go to war in Iraq even though he said Iraq had WMD’s. Clinton was just going to wait for a first strike from Iraq, before going to war.
Before soldiers die overseas, make sure thousands of American civilians are killed first.
Dumb…are you signed up? If not why not?..the rest of us are waiting for you to fight and protect our freedom.
Scott McClellan’s admission that he unintentionally made false statements denying the involvement of Karl Rove and Scooter Libby in the Bush-Cheney administration’s plot to discredit former Ambassador Joe Wilson, along with his revelation that Vice President Cheney and President Bush were among those who provided him with the misinformation, sets the former White House press secretary as John Dean to George Bush’s Richard Nixon.
What McClellan has revealed, in a section from an upcoming book on his tenure in the Bush-Cheney White House, is a stunning indictment of the president and the vice president. The former press secretary is confirming that Bush and Cheney not only knew that Rove, the administration’s political czar, and Libby, who served as Cheney’s top aide, were involved in the scheme to attack Wilson’s credibility — by outing the former ambassador’s wife, Valerie Plame, as a Central Intelligence Agency analyst — but that the president and vice president actively engaged in efforts to prevent the truth from coming out.http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071121/cm_thenation/1253417
Or XXX, that Scott McClellan is capable of making deceptive statements, no matter the occasion.
Perhaps Mr. McClellan is leaving out facts now so he can boost the sale of his book.
Wouldn’t be the first time a book author fluffed up an incident for book sales.
Besides, I’ve heard and read different interpretations, that is, McClellan had suspicions about who knew what when, but had no hard facts.
Surely you are not that gullible XXX.
Au contraire, XXX. Remember, Bush is the Decider, and he and only he decides what is true or legal , or…. After all, didn’t he tell us God choose him to be President? He’s has the inside tack in that regard!
You got nuthin XXX.
The Saudi’s are preparing to give a RAPE VICTIM 200 Lashes, in public, because they CAN… And BushCo. isnt saying condemning such an action. Why would Bush object?? He is all buddy buddy with the Saudi King and Royal Family!! What a MESS!!
Yes Chas. And bush thinks torture is right too. He’s a sad example of a human being and worse as president!
Yes Chas. And bush thinks torture is right too. He’s a sad example of a human being and worse as president!
Posted by: lindainks55 | November 21, 2007 at 09:06 AM
How about a source for your accusation lindainks55.
ME. It’s my opinion. Don’t tell me the idiot in charge has taken away our rights to our own opinions! I knew he was attacking personal freedoms right and left but didn’t know how far he had taken this!
Oh yes lindainks55, I forgot – Bush took away your privacy, habeas corpus and is listening in on your phone calls.
I apologize for interrupting your Liberal delusions of paranoia.
So, Kansas, are you defending the Saudi Lashing of the Rape Victim?
Or are you just defending Bush’s silence on the Saudi lashing of a Rape Victim?
Or are you just defending Bush’s silence on the Saudi lashing of a Rape Victim?
Posted by: Chas. | November 21, 2007 at 09:16 AM
I haven’t addressed that have I Chas?
If you want to know, I think it is insanely wrong.
It is part of the “code” for Islamic law to blame the woman for such acts as they “bring down the name and honor of the family.”
That’s why I think Islam is a corrupt faith, it has no verifiable justice, it uses things such as honor to make legal decisions – which to me is wrong.
In this case, the Secretary of State is handling the issue at the President’s request. There’s not much the President of the United States can do when a countries own laws dictate an action.
What do you propose we do Chas? Go to war over it? Assassinate someone?
Just exactly what should be done?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15archive/&entry_id=9952
Bush signs torture bill; Americans lose essential freedom
George W. Bush got what he wanted, ostensibly as a tool in his unfocused “war on terror”: By signing into law the Military Commissions Act of 2006, Bush has made it legal for the C.I.A. to continue operating torture facilities in undisclosed, foreign countries, and for the writ of habeas corpus to be suspended for individuals who are designated “enemy combatants” against the U.S. (Designated by whom? That question remains unanswered.) The law also “establishes military tribunals that would allow some use of evidence obtained by coercion [that is, torture], but would give defendants access to classified evidence being used to convict them.” (Reuters)
Bush’s torture bill purports to “protect America,” even though it appears to be designed to help protect Republicans instead
The provisions of Bush’s new torture law mean that Americans have lost the key, constitutional right on which Anglo-American criminal law (and criminal-law procedures in true democracies in general) is founded; that’s the basic right of an individual to know why he or she is being apprehended and detained. Now, technically, as in Stalin’s Soviet Union, Hitler’s Germany, Mao’s China or Pol Pot’s Cambodia, anyone labeled an “enemy combatant” – again, by whom; by Bush? – can be whisked away and never heard from again. That kind of authority, in the hands of corrupt or untruthful politicians, may or may not be an effective tool in some kind of “war on terror,” but it certainly can be a useful tool when it comes to silencing their opponents.
Nice Pravda type opinion Annie Moose.
Did you learn that at the Karl Marx and Lenin institute of Journalism?
Kansas — I asked if you were defending the Saudi’s OR if you were defending Bush’s Silence on the matter… He has said nothing on it so far!
Yesterdays open, I said that if what McClellan says is true, we will soon find out much about some of our fellow posters. I opined that if they would give bush a pass as to this, then all bets were off and they would likely concede bush anything.
Now comes Max. “You got nothing: BEFORE he has even seen the book.
It would seem Max is the first of no doubt many here who will give bush all quarter and no limit.
what a pathetic man some of you choose to make your king. You sadden and disappoint me.
Well Chas, I suppose President Bush is using closed door diplomacy with this rape incident.
Look what happened to the poor woman the last time the press got a hold of this.
The Saudi Court increased the number of lashes from 90 to 200 because the case was released to the public and court accused the defense of using the press to manipulate the courts.
Now Chas, would you have President Bush make things worse by making remarks through the press?
Or should President Bush handle this in a private manner directly with the powers that be in Saudi Arabia?
The Prophet “Kansas” speaks again!
He “supposes” George WMD Bush called up his little hand-holding buddy the sheik of Arabia.
Based on what?
Nothing but the voices in his head, I guess.
Well good! We have a bimbo working in the CIA that hates administration, hates the administrations policys and sends her husband to Niger to effect foriegn policy.
They entered the political arena.
Wilson and Plame are liars. Wilson and Plame are proven liars. Wilson and Plame are proven liars worked to undermine the president and his policies.
Now in the liberal democrat world it seems to be a crime to be conservative. It’s OK for a employee of the CIA to actively work against the government but it’s a crime to merely point out that they are doing what they do for political gain.
God Bless the people respoonsible for ‘outing’ Valerie Plame and her lying husband!
The Prophet “Kansas” speaks again!
He “supposes” George WMD Bush called up his little hand-holding buddy the sheik of Arabia.
Based on what?
Nothing but the voices in his head, I guess.
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | November 21, 2007 at 09:43 AM
That’s the point MH.
As I addressed before, the last time this incident was released to the press, the rape victim charged with crime received a harsher punishment.
No, I’m not privy to White House information, but I’m sure there something being done out of the public eye.
I would rather prayer for the woman’s deliverance than speculate nonsense.
Playing political poker with the woman’s fate by using useless rhetoric through the press that to date has only served to increase the severity of the woman’s punishment.
Or we can be like you MH and Chas, who want to flail their arms in the press accusing people of what has or what hasn’t been done.
The method you MH, and Chas recommended has resulted in harsher punishment.
Are you trying for 400 lashes for the woman?
Hank joins the ranks calling “All hail King George Bush!”
That didn’t surprise me.
“Hank Price” gets word from George WMD Bush’s former press secretary he was told to lie about the outting of Valarie Plame, but in the world view of “Hank Price,” the Wilson’s are the liars.
The Prohpet “Kansas” writes:
“…I’m not privy to White House information, but I’m sure…” and “I would rather prayer for the woman’s deliverance than speculate nonsense.”
You Cons are in rare form today.
Say hello to Bizarro Lois for me.
Say hello to Bizarro Lois for me.
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | November 21, 2007 at 09:56 AM
So MonkeyHawk, you have nothing mature to say on the matter.
You just rather play “Kick the Con” game right?
MonkeyHawk is as predictable as pigeon splat on a statue.
“Nice Pravda type opinion Annie Moose.
Did you learn that at the Karl Marx and Lenin institute of Journalism?”Posted by: Kansas | November 21, 2007 at 09:25 AM
Kansas, did you learn to post at the Fascist School of Oppression!
Fascist:”Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.”
Kansas, did you learn to post at the Fascist School of Oppression!
Posted by: Poster Boy | November 21, 2007 at 09:59 AM
Thanks Poster Boy, I’ll categorize your advice and opinion in the same column as phlegm, something that is disgusting and needs to be spat out.
Rare form indeed!!
Good one Kansas! Spit at will.
So much for kansas not attacking other posters. Seems like he must be feeling mightly lonely over the holiday and is taking it out on the other bloggers.
Oh but he never starts flame wars. Never. He’s just a poor victim.
Oh but he never starts flame wars. Never. He’s just a poor victim.
Posted by: JM | November 21, 2007 at 10:03 AM
Here’s one for you JM.
When you can take your own advice and adhere to it, then maybe some cooperation on the WE Blog can be accomplished.
You and your crew are the most blatant back peddling, conniving hypocrites of anyone I’ve ever witnessed.
It’s the fault of others. If they would cooperate all would be well in his world.
Tell me kansas, do you ever admit to doing anything wrong? Who did the first attacking this morning?
If you are referring to the Pravda remark towards annie moose, a well known nic for one of our regular posters who likes to use multiple nics, then yes…I’ll cop the plea.
However, with that said, my statement was accurate as it was written like a Pravda piece of yellow journalism and was very much a propaganda piece.
Do you feel better now JM or do you need to call your mommy to comfort you?
JR until we hear the exact info from McClelland why are you taking a non-statement as gospel? You and the JMers are quick to jump on that and by April when this comes to nothing we will have tarred and feathered Bush, Cheney and all others over nothing.
This was investigated by Fitz and he found nothing. He spent millions trying and came up empty except for the bad memory of Scooter.
Why give new life to this unless you have a book to sell and want an eager audience for it?
Don’t be a tool of the liberal media JR. Cut the personal attacks before they start on this blog. To each his own opinion.
Yesterdays open, I said that if what McClellan says is true, we will soon find out much about some of our fellow posters. I opined that if they would give bush a pass as to this, then all bets were off and they would likely concede bush anything.
I think I left sufficient wiggle room there ksgrm.
And look at the LACK of wriggling so far.
JR there is no new information. A teaser for a book release was put out to create interest in a new book to be released in April.
Nothing to wiggle about. No new news.
Don’t be a tool of the liberal media JR.
Ya know ksgrm? I was working outside yesterday. I had talk radio on.
This possibly explosive story? Hannity and Limbaugh didn’t mention it AT ALL.
I didn’t know about it til I read it here late yesterday.
Don’t be a fool of the right wing media ksgrm.
If there was any merit to the Scott McClellan’s assertion, he had an obligation to tell the prosecutor in the Libby case and tell to tell the Justice Department or FBI in the case of the WMD’s.
McClellan probably got asked to leave early and has been chewing on sour grapes since then.
Got a question for you WE Blogers.
As I understand it, Westar has deemed it illegal to “turn your meter back”. I.e. Westar says its illegal for you as a private citizen to put in a wind, solar or any other type of power producer, create power at home and “sell” the excess back to the grid.
This practice is done all of the time now in CA. There was a special about the wind turbine and solar array he has on his roof and how he turns his meter back at night.
Nights like last night, i bet if half of the houses in Sedgwick county had wind generators, there would have been no need for any power plants!
Can anyone clarify Westar’s rules regarding “turning back the meter”?
Ah, the world according to junior.
Doesn’t require a thought or a rational opinion, just wake up and spout the party line:
Bush lied, people died.
Haliburton.
Cheney, Cheney, Cheney
No WMD’s!
We went to war for oil, to avenge daddy, because of shrub’s ego. . .
Plame is selling a book.
McClellan is selling a book.
See a pattern here? Should I go on?
Ksgrm–
Might it never occur to you that McClelland feels guilty for aiding and abetting this criminal administration and wants to do what he can to set the record straight?
Why are you and the Prices and outlander and GMC and Max so quick to assume that Bush’s flatulance smells like rose petals?
When Clinton made mistakes and told lies, I called him out on it. It offends me to the core that the only thing Clinton ever really went to the mat on was NAFTA, just like I’m outraged that Fem-bot Clinton saves her greatest condemnation for us leftists at the DailyKOS Convention and only grows a spine to defend LOBBYISTS (”they employ a lot of people”).
Clinton’s sleazy affair is why we’ve got Worst. President. Ever. in the White House right now. If he’d have cared about the country and his party, he would have stepped down.
But you people make yourselves ridiculous by defending the indefensible.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON who condemns Bush, whether it is Kerry, the Wilsons’, the Justice Department prosecutors, dozens of former administration officials, the CIA intelligence people who write reports that Bush won’t even read (he won’t even read the one-page summary), the former high-ranking military officers forceably “retired” and now McClellan are all LIARS.
Only Bush and Cheney always and without fail tell the truth and make the right decisions.
You are pathetic caricatures of thinking human beings.
Good point Tony. We are encouraged to conserve but not allowed to generate our own electricity to lessen the load. It’s coming but will be fought by the utilities until they reach a saturation point like that of CA. When there is no excess electricity they can buy it from producers at their rate and sell it to users at a higher rate. Then you will see a lessening of this provision.
As I understand it Tony, the issue lay with the Corporation Commission and their Transmission Committee.
The Commission would have to be petitioned for “change” or the Legislature would have to over ride the decision.
I agree, some privately owned Wind Turbines could be just the ticket to solve usage problems during peak times.
Cap in no way can my comments be used to defend Bush. If he is guilty then let the chips fall where they may. A problem we have on this blog is beating a subject to death before any real facts come out and then when the truth is revealed we are on to something else. I say wait until the book is released. If McClelland indeed points a finger at the White House you won’t hear a word of defense from me.
“If you are referring to the Pravda remark towards annie moose, a well known nic for one of our regular posters who likes to use multiple nics, then yes…I’ll cop the plea”
swoon i feel so important thank you for bringing attention me. i feel special. hold me please
Another interesting thing abut McClellan’s story is that if it is true, it reflects that GW Bush lied several times when he asserted that when he found out (he already knew) who did the leaking on Plame/Wilson these people would be no longer be in his administration.
The only reason Fitzgerald went after Libby like he did was the old tried and true method of Federal prosecutions – squeeze the little guys so they give up the big guys. Fitz was after Cheney, but when Libby was pardoned, that ended that.
Assuming that Bush/Cheney and company can forstall the culmination of investigations against them until after January, 2009, I sure hope that these presumed criminals are hounded after that date, too.
WELL SAID CAPN!
The republicans are in good form still, first deny, deny, deny, second, debate debate debate, third rationalize, rationalize,rationalize. Acceptance of wrong doing or admisssion of mistakes is unacceptable.
“You are pathetic caricatures of thinking human beings.”
Good morning to you too, Capn!
The world is complicated and I understand your desire to try to simplify it and ease the burden on your brain. Generalizing and grouping helps, doesn’t it?
Everything Bush bad. Conservatives pathetic. All without even knowing what they think about a subject!
Go get ‘em Tarzan.
Steven as I said before you are once again painting the White House as the culprit. A totally non-committal statement was made. No facts but the left is once again all over it. Don’t you think the the ‘teaser’ line is just that – something to make you want to buy the book?
I just said wait for the facts instead of beating it to death now because that is all we can do. We have no facts. We cannot make an informed decision or opinion.
If you like Bush you see yet another unfounded attack. If you dislike Bush you see it as evidence of his participation. Neither is right. We have no facts.
Yeah, right, Ksgrm . . . .
You and the other right-wingers said, “don’t judge Libby until his trial.”
The trial comes and goes, and guess what, he’s GUILTY AS CHARGED.
Then, you people say that Fitz is a liar and just out to get people.
How about you agree that when there’s so much smoke that you can’t see your hand in front of your face, that maybe–just maybe–there’s an actual fire somewhere.
On Brighter Note, let’s hear it for the intellectual curiosity of people who read Conservapedia
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Yep, Kansas you’re right!
Isn’t that what poor ol’ Scooter got convicted of? Lying for Bush?
Somebody authorize Fitzgerald another 20-30 million! Let’s get to the bottom of this!
Hank
Sorry, Hank. There’s no money in the Special Prosecutors’ Fund after Ken Starr spent close to 100 million investigated when and how often Clinton heavy petted with Monica.
Sorry, Hank. There’s no money in the Special Prosecutors’ Fund after Ken Starr spent close to 100 million investigated when and how often Clinton heavy petted with Monica.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | November 21, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Heavy petted eh?
Was any of that money used for stain removal on Monica’s dress? :)
I just read that wood chips are a better source for alternative energy than corn. Wouldn’t it be great if all of those trees destroyed in Katrina were put to good use in a fuel conversion plant. Or is the method not pracical yet.
I just read that wood chips are a better source for alternative energy than corn. Wouldn’t it be great if all of those trees destroyed in Katrina were put to good use in a fuel conversion plant. Or is the method not practical yet.
Dowd is calling for the A.G. to open an investigation into the leak. Bet this new info. gets some attention in the debates.
Hey Phantom,
It takes around 2000 gallons of water and a gallon of oil to produce a gallon of ethanol.
When did ethanol production have to make sense?
One of my duties at the dog show every April is facilities chairman. I’m responsible for getting shavings for the exercise pens. Hard to find last year, Cargill had been buying up everything is sight for ethanol production.
Wood pelletizers ought to be, or should have been buying up the destroyed trees. Could have been a boon to the Louisanna economy.
“If you like Bush you see yet another unfounded attack. If you dislike Bush you see it as evidence of his participation. Neither is right. We have no facts.”
We don’t know which is correct. I am in favor of pursuing Bush after he steps down from the presidency because then he won’t be able to suppress evidence of his wrong doing (he will no longer have pardon power; nor the power to commute sentences). You are correct I presume he is guilty. I believe you presume he is innocent and is being harrassed. Of course, I know who I think is right.
Question: Can a president pardon himself? I think Bush would try if he thought he could get away with it.
Bush commuted Libby’s sentence because the sentence was too harsh. Federal sentences tend to be rather harsh; I am waiting for Bush to commute the sentences of others who’ve received harsh penalties from the Feds. I wonder if my wait will be very long?
One law for the “haves and haves more”, another law for us peasants. If the preceding is as true as I think it is, it is hard to understand peasants who defend it.
Jihadist Straps Bomb to One Year Old. Unbelievable.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312410,00.html
You got nuthin XXX.
Posted by: Max | November 21, 2007 at 08:30 AM
Max, poor boobie, you’ll note that I posted the info without comment. I never said I had anything. In fact, I’m just happy to sit back and see how this unfolds. No matter what the facts on the ground are, this is just another issue that makes conservatives look bad. And just when I didn’t think you could make them look any worse.
Max, go back to your all HIllary-bashing all the time. We know you’re not the sharpest pencil in the drawer, and it really shows when you get off of your one trick pony.
“Question: Can a president pardon himself?”
It’s unclear; it’s never been litigated. There is some split of opinion on the matter; however, the constitutional text grants the pardon power as absolute, and puts no limit on same.
In short: I don’t know. I very much doubt we’ll find out.
Heres a couple of sources, if you’re interested:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B06E5DD103EF930A25757C0A9669C8B63http://www.heritage.org/Research/LegalIssues/wm1543.cfmhttp://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardons8.htm
The company Jay Leno works with regarding wind turbines on his garage.
http://www.pacwind.net/
Another thing i would like to see here in Kansas. An A/C unit that freezes a block of ice at night than uses it to cool during the day.
http://www.ice-energy.com/
Bully for Senator Harry Reid!
This man is unselfishly interrupting his Thanksgiving day to keep the Senate in session. THAT will allow georgie boy to enjoy his Thanksgiving uninterrupted by nepotistic recess appointments.
What a great guy!
I just read that wood chips are a better source for alternative energy than corn. Wouldn’t it be great if all of those trees destroyed in Katrina were put to good use in a fuel conversion plant. Or is the method not practical yet.
Posted by: The Phantom | November 21, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Interesting, this was the topic of my research in graduate school. Unfortunately I was hampered by cheap oil in proving my thesis that biomass can become a viable source of energy. However, it makes a little more sense now (but not much). There’s a lot of big if’s to getting biomass (wood chips) to produce electricity cheaply. You need a fast growing plant in a huge field that has a high energy content and is relatively close to a pyrolytic gasifier.
We also were not able to find a use for the byproducts obtainined during the gasification process. That effort would really help make biomass more economically feasible.
Hey Phantom,
It takes around 2000 gallons of water and a gallon of oil to produce a gallon of ethanol.
When did ethanol production have to make sense?Posted by: Hank Price | November 21, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Hanks formulation reminds me of those gallon “dehydrated” water packages one can buy at novelty stores. :D
Another thing i would like to see here in Kansas. An A/C unit that freezes a block of ice at night than uses it to cool during the day.
http://www.ice-energy.com/
Posted by: Tony | November 21, 2007 at 12:26 PM
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Tony, we had something akin to that in New Mexico… they are called Swamp Coolers… VERY efficient to use!
It takes around 2000 gallons of water and a gallon of oil to produce a gallon of ethanol.
Hank Price
Hanks formulation reminds me of those gallon “dehydrated” water packages one can buy at novelty stores. :D
Posted by: Kansas | November 21, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Reminds me of how I heard they make Coors light:
One gallon of water and one can of Heinken.
rfl:I hear hemp can be used as biomass fuel, it is a fast growing plant. Naturally, more studies need to be done to determine its viability.
Hemp would be extremely viable, if it wasnt still deemed to be illegal, even though its value for “smoking” consumption is very bad… Somebody in government still thinks its a dangerous drug!
Thank you Randolph Hearst!!
Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan does not believe President Bush lied to him about the role of White House aides I. Lewis Scooter Libby or Karl Rove in the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity, according to McClellan’s publisher.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917188/
Another thing i would like to see here in Kansas. An A/C unit that freezes a block of ice at night than uses it to cool during the day.
http://www.ice-energy.com/
Posted by: Tony | November 21, 2007 at 12:26 PM
I saw a thing about a skyscraper in New York that uses this process. It’s cheap and efficient.
Hey children!
I gotta go but first:
H A P P Y T H A N K S G I V I N G!
I have a lot to be thankful for! If you read Crowson’s cartoon in today’s paper, that was us last Thanksgiving.
I am thankful for all of you and for all of your prayers when the boy was deployed.
God Bless
No matter what the facts on the ground are, this is just another issue that makes conservatives look bad. xxx
Well said Lib. Do Not let the facts get in the way of a good slam on a conservative.
The seriousness of the accusation, is what convicts someone of crime.
No one has to be proven guilty or anything to lock them behind bars.
Or should President Bush handle this in a private manner directly with the powers that be in Saudi Arabia?
Posted by: Kansas
And just how would Bush go about handling this with the Saudi King – before or after Bush kisses his ring and then holds hands with him? Those that butt-kiss do not carry any power to do anything – or do you not think so?
GW Bush, representative of the people or only “pre-screened ticket holders”?
http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/freespeech/presidential_advance_manual.pdf
You decide.
Hillary Brags about standing up to China, you know, back when she was President in 1995!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/20/AR2007112001880.html
Clinton Mocks, Draws RebukesWednesday, November 21, 2007;
THE EXPERIENCE DEBATE
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The war over experience took a trip abroad yesterday.
At a campaign event in Iowa, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton mocked Sen. Barack Obama’s statement Monday that living overseas as a child had given him valuable insights about foreign policy. Clinton’s comments drew a rebuke not only from Obama, but also from former senator John Edwards’s campaign.
In remarks after an event yesterday in Shenandoah, Iowa, circulated by her campaign as “New HRC Comments on Experience,” Clinton was quoted as saying, “I have traveled the world on behalf of our country — first in the White House with my husband and now as a senator. I’ve met with countless world leaders and know many of them personally. I went to Beijing in 1995 and stood up to the Chinese government on human rights and women’s rights. I have fought for our men and women in uniform to make sure they have the equipment they need in battle and are treated with dignity when they return home.”
Um, I’ll take representative of the people for 500 please.
LOL well now I feel a whole lot better about the thought of attacking Iran…. John Bolton former ambassador to the U.N. for the United States. Just said on Hardball that he feels the Iranians will not take it personal if we attack them! Maybe that’s what Bin Laden thought prior to 9-11? OMG, I wish Chris had asked that most important question, “ Mr. Ambassador, what color IS the sky in you world?”.
I think Bin Laden was right if he thought that, as bush “no longer thinks about him”. Guess bygones are bygones. Have a good life in Pakistan.
“Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan does not believe President Bush lied to him about the role of White House aides I. Lewis Scooter Libby or Karl Rove in the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity, according to McClellan’s publisher.”
Last heard that song about WMD’s, it was just honest to goodness bad intelligence! The to dumb to be president defense.
I am watching a video on youtube of an appearance of Judge Andrew Napolitano. He just told how on his first day on the bench. The attorney for the defendant told him the witness for the defense did not speak English, so they needed an translator. Judge Napolitano asked what language did the witness speak? He was informed it was Italian, so he call for the court’s Italian translator. But the translator was not available, so he asked the crowd in the court room if anyone spoke Italian and a little old man in the back raised his hand.
They sworn in the witness and the translator, then the attorney looks at the translator and said “What is your name?”. The translator turned to the witness and said “What’a is’a you’s name’a?”.
The attorney then asked the translator, “What is your address?”.The translator turns to the witness and asked, “ Where’a is’a you’s house’a?”.
Finally judge Napolitiano said “I thought you said you speak Italian?”.The translator said “I’a do, it’a just mine’a English is not’sa sa good’a”LOL, having been in hearings, I can just see it!
Um, I’ll take representative of the people for 500 please.Posted by: Nathan
Answer: “The haves and the have mores.”
Nathan’s Question: “Who are the rangers and the pioneers?”
“No, sorry Mr. Price, the correct question was, ‘who constitutes Mr. Bush’s base’? Sorry you’re down to minus 500. It is still early in the game, so don’t dispair.”
Here’s how Repubs. support the troops:Wounded soldiers asked to return signing bonusesPosted November 20th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
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When Jordan Fox was serving in Iraq, his mother helped organize Operation Pittsburgh Pride, which sends thousands of care packages to U.S. troops from his hometown, which prompted a personal “thank you” from the White House. When Fox was seriously injured in Iraq, the president sent what appeared to be personal note, expressing his concerns to the Fox family.
But more recently, Fox received a different piece of correspondence from the Bush administration.
The U.S. Military is demanding that thousands of wounded service personnel give back signing bonuses because they are unable to serve out their commitments.
To get people to sign up, the military gives enlistment bonuses up to $30,000 in some cases.
Now men and women who have lost arms, legs, eyesight, hearing and can no longer serve are being ordered to pay some of that money back.
I watched the report from the CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh, and I kept thinking, “This can’t be right.” Apparently, it is.
In Jordan Fox’s case, he was seriously injured when a roadside bomb blew up his vehicle, causing back injuries and blindness in his right eye. He was sent home, unable to complete the final three months of his military commitment.
Last week, the Pentagon sent him a bill: Fox owed the government nearly $3,000 of his signing bonus.
“I tried to do my best and serve my country. I was unfortunately hurt in the process. Now they’re telling me they want their money back,” Fox said.
Look, if a soldier signed a contract, collected a signing bonus, and then quit, I can understand the military asking for the signing bonus back.
But we’re talking about troops who volunteered, served, and were seriously injured. It’s not their fault they got hurt. How on earth is the Pentagon justified in asking for a refund?
In Jordan Fox’s case, he doesn’t have $3,000 lying around to give the government, and his injuries are such that he had to give up on his goal of becoming a police officer.
For what it’s worth, Fox’s congressman, Democrat Jason Altmire, has introduced a bill to prohibit the Bush administration from asking the troops for refunds.
Mr. Altmire, D-McCandless, held a news conference yesterday at the Ross municipal building with Spc. Kaminski and other veterans to tout legislation he has authored to aid wounded soldiers.
At the forefront was a bill introduced last week and sent to committee that targets a Defense Department policy preventing eligible soldiers from receiving their full bonuses if discharged early because of combat-related injuries.
“Hard as it may be to believe, the Department of Defense has been denying injured servicemen and women the bonuses that they qualified for,” Mr. Altmire said.
He said he drafted the legislation after hearing “outrageous” examples of bonuses being denied…. Mr. Altmire’s legislation, the Veterans Guaranteed Bonus Act, would require the Defense Department to pay bonuses in full within 30 days to veterans discharged because of combat-related wounds.
Seems like a no-brainer.
I guess I need the opinion of the attorneys here, Justice Andrew Napolitano states that according to the “INTELLIGENCE REFORM AND TERRORISM PREVENTION ACT OF 2004”
http://a255.g.akamaitech.net/7/255/2422/13dec20041150/www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/108-796/108-796_intel_reform.pdf
That by redefining the definition of the phase “financial institution” it allows the government to search through such records in a very broad scope. Including Attorney/ client records with nothing more then a hand written “national security letter”.
I pulled it up and I doubt even if I could understand Latin I would be able to figure it out. With phrases like “substituted a coma where there is a period… Where there is a reference to here to for replace with not to then”.
Now for the rest of us whom need a visual reference, here is the link to the youtube files.Though where he talks about the sweeping changes he refers to is in part 3 of 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QwTKKSvR8
BTW, before some automatically dismiss his opinion if you watch Fox News very often you have heard his opinion before. Judge Napolitano is Fox News senior judicial analyst.
Well said Lib. Do Not let the facts get in the way of a good slam on a conservative.Posted by: Max | November 21, 2007 at 03:23 PM
Sorry Max, but you’re wrong as usual.I’m registered as Unaffiliated.
I’ve voted for more republicans than you have, starting with Nixon.
I just detest Bush and his merry pack of thieves.
And I really object to what you and your kind have done to what used to be an honorable and principled party.
Well XXX, you and Hillary need an enemy to rally against, so go ahead and beat up on Bush, and Max and anyone else you want to define as your enemy.
Eventually, you might want to develop a Vision for Hillary, and dream up a viable strategic plan for America to achieve Hillary’s vision. Other than just attacking Bush and Max, I mean.
So what is Hillary’s vision and plan to achieve that vision?
And XXX, I belong to no party, so tell me, just what have I done to ruin the Republican party?
For those who don’t get the news for whatever reason, a quick update as to Julie and husband.
He is far from out of the woods but is doing much better. Julie thanks all for their prayers and kind thoughts and is truly thankful for good friends.
Tell Julie and her hubby Happy Thanksgiving, J R!! And blessings to them (+)
Personal to J R. Do a search on the Elves of Christmas Present.Olathe.
It may/may not be a consideration in your friends event – but they are a hell of an organization to help those in a time of great and dire need.
incognito NIC
Valerie Plame Wilson has responded to McClellan’s admission of lying.
Turns out that they are still pursuing their civil suit against the Bush Admin., so this should help a lot.
And XXX, I belong to no party, so tell me, just what have I done to ruin the Republican party?
Posted by: Max | November 21, 2007 at 08:13 PM
Another republican who doesn’t have the guts to admit it.
Show me a single post where you ever criticized a republican.
I have a track record for firing on Democrats and there are several liberal posters on this blog who have known my wrath.
Max, grow a pair.
“Max” intoned –
“…you and Hillary need an enemy to rally against…”
How rough life must be for the irony-impaired.
Poor “Max” needs to rail against Senator Clinton because he has no one he is *for.*
In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
* The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests, some eight arrests per illegal alien;
* Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
* 36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute concluded that, based on a figure of 12 million illegal immigrants and the fact that more of this population is male than average, sex offenders among illegals make up a higher percentage than offenders in the general population.
She arrives at the figure of 240,000 offenders a conservative estimate, she says, through public records showing about 2 percent of illegals apprehended are sex offenders.
“This translates to 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders coming across U.S. borders illegally per day,” she says.
She points out the 1,500 offenders in her study had a total of 5,999 victims, and each sex offender averaged four victims.
“This places the estimate for victimization numbers around 960,000 for the 88 months examined in this study,” she declares.
Schurman-Kauflin breaks down the 1,500 cases reviewed this way:
* 525, or 35 percent, were child molestations
* 358, or 24 percent, were rapes
* 617, or 41 percent, were sexual homicides and serial murders
Of the child molestations, 47 percent of the victims were Hispanic, 36 percent Caucasian, 8 percent Asian, 6 percent African American and 3 percent other nationalities.
In 82 percent of the cases, she noted, the victims were known to their attackers.
“In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims’ homes,” she says. “Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6.”
In her examination of the sex-related homicides, Schurman-Kauflin found the most common method was for an offender to break into a residence and ambush his victims.
Not only were victims raped, she said, but some 6 percent were mutilated.
“The crime scenes were very bloody, expressing intense, angry perpetrator personalities,” she said. “Specifically, most victims were blitzed, rendered incapable of fighting back, and then raped and murdered. The most common method of killing was bludgeoning, followed by stabbing.”
She found it especially disturbing that in 22 percent of all sex crimes committed by illegal immigrants, victims with physical and mental disabilities were targeted.
The highest number of sex offenders, according to the study, came from Mexico.
El Salvador was the original home to the next highest number.
Nearly 63 percent of the offenders had been deported on another offense prior to the sex crime, the study showed. There was an average of three years of committing crimes such as DUI, assault or drug related offenses prior to being apprehended for a sexual offense.
*** Forward this to everyone you know. ***
It is Urgent that Veterans and Seniors use their Power to DEMAND that Congress end the Treason by deporting all illegals on sight. We must use the power of our 72 million votes which is more than enough to take control of all three branches of government. We do not have to ask, beg, or plead. We have the power of the people, so each of us must personally DEMAND today, that our representatives follow our wishes with no BS.
It is with a heavy heart, and much sadness I inform Veterans and Seniors that your work and sacrifices to preserve this great country will have been in vain unless you answer the call to duty one more time and DEMAND, not ask Congress to Stop the Treason by:
1. Obeying our Constitution and the rule of law.
2. Using whatever force is required to protect our borders.
3. Deporting every illegal on site.
4. Denying citizenship to children of illegals.
5. Enacting a 10 year moratorium on all immigration.6. Enacting English only Legislation.
Anarchy is spreading out of control in sanctuary cities where it is not safe to travel. When I use the word Treason, I am using it in strict accordance with definition in the U.S. Constitution Section 3———or, in adhering to their enemies giving them aid and comfort.
Your immediate and forceful DEMANDS to those in Congress is imperative for personal survival. Your Social Security, Medicare, Veterans and most benefits to our poor were cut again while benefits were paid to illegals so employers could profit. The Social Security Administration signed an agreement to give Social Security to illegals which will destroy Social Security. Every undereducated illegal head of household costs taxpayers $22,000 a year more than any contributions made, for a total of $1,000,000 per lifetime. Illegals are an Economic disaster for Americans, but exorbitantly profitable for traitors who hire and support them with our tax money. If illegals remain, you and your family will slide into a life of poverty and pain. As resources continue to be looted from our country, and circumstances become more dire, there will be unavoidable ethnic and class warfare. Every taxpayer dollar spent on illegals is another dollar put in the pockets of traitors who employ them.
Every day 25 Americans are killed by illegals while traitors profit. Millions of illegals kill, rob, rape, and molest thousands of Americans while traitors in Congress support them for a share of the blood money. Remember, 28% of convicts are illegals and they are only 4% of population. Forty percent of unemployment of Blacks is due to illegals/immigrants. Many hospitals are out of business and will not be there when you need them because of free care for illegals. Illegals are bringing deadly diseases back into our country. Criminal illegal gangs are out of control and spreading across our country. Our property taxes are high because we are forced to educate children of illegals who do not contribute. Illegals hurt our economy by sending billions of dollars home. Illegals steal our jobs and lower wages. Your auto insurance is high because most illegals do not have any.
You must convince those in congress that you, your family and friends will never vote for anyone who does not support your views on illegals.
Many in government hold average Americans in contempt, thinking they can openly commit Treason by ignoring their oath of office, our Constitution, and the rule of law. Please remember that many in Congress can not relate to you because they were born into wealth and think they are superior to us.
These traitors are wrong, the only reason they have not yet been defeated at the polls is because our people were not told the truth by the business-controlled and agenda-driven media. Many times I have personally given media, at the highest levels, documented negative facts on illegals, and they refuse to report them. We call that an agenda. But there is a new media on the internet telling Americans the truth.
Citizens are also learning of the more complex agreement signed by President Bush to turn over American sovereignty to the business run North American Union/SPP which would guarantee abject poverty and slavery. Make no mistake, this is a joint plan by both Democrat and Republican elites who are wealthy, went to the same schools, lie like hell, and have much in common.
You must also know that if illegals are allowed to remain on any basis, any basis at all, it is all over, there is no going back, you can plan on dying homeless, hungry and in pain, regardless of your present circumstances. For documented details read my essay “Loss of Birthright by Treason.”
If you are pro-illegal then I recommend that you do not continue reading this post, because this might hurt! I will do my best to keep it clean, but my blood is boiling as I write this…
I am freaking fed up with the lack of concern from our local, state and federal officials on the illegal immigration problem! Yes this is another post on illegal immigration. I do not know how many different ways I can point out and say how illegal aliens are destroying American lives and our country as a whole. I hope this will help those who have faded from this issue of priority…
A young 15 year old girl from Texas was found raped and murdered in Portland, Oregon. Portland area police have arrested and charged Alejandro Emeterio “Alex” Rivera Gamboa and his cousin Gilberto Javier “Gabe” Arellano Gamboa for this despicable crime. [Read report here]
Now if that’s not sick enough, here’s the kicker… You guessed it! Both Rivera Gamboa and Arellano Gamboa, confessed that they entered our country illegally from Mexico. Here’s some more salt to pour on the wound…, before this terrible crime, Rivera Gamboa had been arrested four different times for drunk driving. FOUR TIMES!!! Officials had not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR different chances to deport this no good, scum of the earth, illegal! Yet, once again they have failed to protect another American child!
Immigration officials stated that ‘if Rivera Gamboa’s illegal status was known at the time of his earlier arrests, it is likely, but not certain, that he would have been deported.” Not certain? Not certain? Am I missing something here from this moron? Obviously these immigration officials need to go back to the academy and learn the laws. The federal statute specifically says that a person or persons who came into our country, our sovereign country, by illegal entry shall be deported immediately.
This is what immigration officials should have said… [Due to our lack of knowledge and effort to thwart illegal immigration in our sovereign country and due to the federal government not allowing local and state officials to ask suspects if they are legal or illegal, another American child has been raped and murdered…, if the federal government was really interested in protecting our fellow Americans, then we would have deported this illegal drunk after his first arrest. However, we as the federal government are more concerned about the welfare of undocumented Americans, uh, I mean illegal immigrants, therefore Americans are on the back burner and will continue to die.]
This case further shows the huge gap between local, state and federal agencies when enforcing immigration laws. Most police departments are not allowed to inquire about a person’s status. And now, the mentality of the police is that it’s none of their business whether or not a person is an illegal immigrant. Most state laws prohibit local police from searching out illegal aliens who are not under investigation. What a major disconnect! It is shameful that our agencies would dangle American lives over this ignorant hissy fit! Furthermore more, local officials (like the Dallas Police Dept), that are given the extra step to investigate illegal immigrants, refuse to do it! It’s too time consuming, too much paperwork and too boring, so they usually steer clear of pursuing illegals. I thought it was part of their job, to protect and serve, or is it protect and serve when I want to?
Speaking of ignorance… The case about this young, innocent girl from TEXAS, was not covered by the Dallas Morning News, not even the back page! Instead, The Dallas Morning News and The Star Telegram reported on how illegals would suffer from stronger enforcement of immigration laws. They wrote a freaking sympathy page for these criminals, can you believe that! I can, the Dallas Morning News and The Star Telegram are ignorant, weak, idiotic, appeasing, defeatist, left swinging newspapers who don’t give a damn about LEGAL Americans, especially those who want to enforce American laws!
If the federal government refuses to enforce the laws completely and local police are not allowed to ask a simple question, because we might hurt someone’s little feelings, then what do we do? How much are we going to tolerate? Why do we always wait until something major happens before we react? If I were in charge, I would have all agencies, and I mean all, enforce every immigration law on the books to the tee. This ain’t rocket science here, just do it! Oh I forgot, we have a pansy-waist lawyer as the Secretary of Homeland Security, what do you expect, what a moron!
I say we need to be aggressive… I think police should ask everyone they pull over if there legal or illegal, period! It’s not difficult, if a person is driving a car with just an ID card, then you now have “probable cause” to further investigate. At minimum, you caught a person who is driving without a license. Call it what you want, but if your legal and you have done nothing wrong, then quit your whining and suck it up! I would be more than happy to see an officer pull me over to make sure I’m a legal American, I think I can handle 10 minutes out of my day to help law enforcement root out any illegal immigrants in the area. I know, your civil rights will be trampled on, I know it’s so terrible to be pulled over when you have done nothing wrong, it’s so inconvenient for us isn’t it? But, if it means getting a grasp on this huge problem and possibly sparing the lives of my fellow Americans, then I think I can tolerate a little detour in my daily routine…
We have to do something, because it seems like we’re doing nothing. If you have a better idea to solve this ongoing problem, then please let me know, I am all ears… But just remember, freedom is never free!
Jose, I understand your Anger, but one of the Presidents who opened the borders to amnesty was none other than that grea leftist president, Ronald Reagan!!
That was in 1986. Why do keep insisting it is the liberals who are keeping the borders open? The Republican led Congress had MANY opportunities to tighten the borders, but President Shrub seems to LIKE having all of these illegal invaders in our nation…
And it is the Feds who have the responsibility to round up the illegals… not local police…
Please get some of your facts checked out… I understand your anger over the murder of the young girl… But, we must follow OUR laws for everybody here, or we wont have those laws to protect US either!!
What was it Ben Franklin said?? He who wants to sacrifice his rights for the sake of liberty, will find he has neither?? Please remember that in your quest!!
The exact quote is here >>>
http://www.wisdomquotes.com/000974.html
Another version of Franklin’s quote >>>
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/benjaminfr110199.html
Good Night; Good Luck; and God Bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! (+)
Happy T.G. cons. don’t eat any plastic turkeys.
I am all ears… But just remember, freedom is never free!Posted by: Jose Hernandez
Que Paso Jose?
You are correcto mundo in your interpretation of the democrats with tears in their eyes for the illegals amongst us.
You would do your race well to encourage them to vote republican – IF you want to see tighter border control.
Bush is an aberration to his party(Pienso que él tiene una amante mexicana ocultada en alguna parte en Tejas).
At any rate, you are on the right course. Steer clear of the liberal cry babies who may pull heart strings on this issue.
A mystery inside of a puzzle, wrapped in an enigma >>
The pardoning of Turkeys by the Presidnet does not stretch back to Truman, but only as far back as November, 1989 — the first Thanksgiving that George H. W. Bush celebrated as President.
Once again, President Bush needs to do fact checking before speaking. LOL
Good nite all!!
Once again, Chas decides to change history in order to spread a lie about our president:
“The pardoning of Turkeys by the Presidnet does not stretch back to Truman, but only as far back as November, 1989 — the first Thanksgiving that George H. W. Bush celebrated as President. “Chas
JFK pardon:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/thanksgiving/photoessay/01.html
living.aol.com/holidays/turkey-pardoning
godc.about.com/od/seasonalevents/a/turkeypardon.htm
Chas lies on Thanksgiving.
Pat,
I understand how easy it is to paint with a broad brush. It gets the job done quicker, but it can also mean painting that which shouldn’t be painted.
There are several liberals and democrats on this forum who are in favor of enforcement of the immigration laws currently on the books. To be honest, I haven’t seen a lot of “liberal cry babies” regarding illegal immigration around here.
Perhaps you could use a smaller brush and add “excepting some of the present company” to your rants?
TIA
For the Turkey pardoning, see Countdown MSNBC web site, transcript for Wednesday, Nov. 21
Olbermann tells about the alleged Turkey pardoning by JFK… And then shows that the first Turkey Pardoning of live turkeys was recent — George H. W. Bush, 1989
Dont call me a liar, when I have merely posted the truth!!
Oh, but some of you cant handle the truth… thanksgiving or not!
“At any rate, you are on the right course. Steer clear of the liberal cry babies who may pull heart strings on this issue.”
Re: Pat Herron, DNFTT
“For the Turkey pardoning, see Countdown MSNBC web site, transcript for Wednesday, Nov. 21
“Olbermann tells about the alleged Turkey pardoning by JFK… And then shows that the first Turkey Pardoning of live turkeys was recent — George H. W. Bush, 1989
“Dont call me a liar, when I have merely posted the truth!!
“Oh, but some of you cant handle the truth… thanksgiving or not!”
Turkey pardoning. There’s something to really get excited and angry about.
Seriously, Chas., chill.
Chas, look at the three links I provided! All of them point to articles of President J. F. Kennedy allowing the turkey to live. (interesting the next thread is on capital punishment)
I thought you would be HAPPY to know a democrat in the 1960’s pardoned a turkey? One of your hero’s too.
I guess you can decide for youself to keep living a lie. It says a lot about you and your beliefs.
Thought I posted this explanation of the Turkey pardoning earlier…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/