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		<title>By: Door King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156559</link>
		<dc:creator>Door King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They died during a NON man made end of an ice age. Very common climatic changes that have been occurring for millions of years

Or they died as man trapped and ate them.

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<p>Or they died as man trapped and ate them.</p>
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		<title>By: awinters</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156558</link>
		<dc:creator>awinters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>College life is sooo weird!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>College life is sooo weird!!</p>
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		<title>By: postal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156557</link>
		<dc:creator>postal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Egg color is determined by breed; the &quot;factory&quot; egg layers require less feed than the hens that lay colored eggs (a breed specific requirement) and therefore are more desirable--minimize inputs, maximize outputs.  No chemical treatment involved.  However, the &quot;brown&quot; eggs you get at the store are sometimes &quot;helped&quot; into being brown (they look painted and far too uniform in color.)

If you want free-range farm eggs, find an egg farmer and buy from the source.  Otherwise, you&#039;re trusting advertising.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egg color is determined by breed; the &#8220;factory&#8221; egg layers require less feed than the hens that lay colored eggs (a breed specific requirement) and therefore are more desirable&#8211;minimize inputs, maximize outputs.  No chemical treatment involved.  However, the &#8220;brown&#8221; eggs you get at the store are sometimes &#8220;helped&#8221; into being brown (they look painted and far too uniform in color.)</p>
<p>If you want free-range farm eggs, find an egg farmer and buy from the source.  Otherwise, you&#8217;re trusting advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Caruso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156556</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Caruso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like nails on chalkboard...I can&#039;t even listen to them..you&#039;re a better man than me, JR.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like nails on chalkboard&#8230;I can&#8217;t even listen to them..you&#8217;re a better man than me, JR.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteElephant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156555</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup Mary, I can&#039;t quit eating cows either, I grilled a bunch of burgers today for the Chiefs game.I do buy free range chicken eggs though, they actually taste better, and they look like real chicken eggs, not the bleached white grocery store eggs.  I don&#039;t think they are bleached, but its still a mystery to me why factory farm eggs are white.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup Mary, I can&#8217;t quit eating cows either, I grilled a bunch of burgers today for the Chiefs game.I do buy free range chicken eggs though, they actually taste better, and they look like real chicken eggs, not the bleached white grocery store eggs.  I don&#8217;t think they are bleached, but its still a mystery to me why factory farm eggs are white.</p>
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		<title>By: J R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156554</link>
		<dc:creator>J R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll catch Hannity&#039;s fantasy land on the rerun writerdog.

Hannity is a kook. But ya gotta keep your eye on the kooks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll catch Hannity&#8217;s fantasy land on the rerun writerdog.</p>
<p>Hannity is a kook. But ya gotta keep your eye on the kooks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Caruso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156553</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Caruso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could become a vegetarian, but I LOVE a good steak...my kids haven&#039;t eaten meat in over ten years, even my grandkids are vegetarian.
The world would be a better place if we gave up factory farming.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could become a vegetarian, but I LOVE a good steak&#8230;my kids haven&#8217;t eaten meat in over ten years, even my grandkids are vegetarian.<br />
The world would be a better place if we gave up factory farming.</p>
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		<title>By: writerdog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156552</link>
		<dc:creator>writerdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else catch “Hannity‘s America” tonight, if not I expect to see something about in Houston school district there is a controversy. It seems that there is a text book being used that teaches about the middle east, the claim is that it teaches Islam. It brought back a memory of a local controversy in my local district, the rumor was that the schools here were going to teach Native American religion. There was even a petition drive to block the curriculum. Now it was just a baseless rumor and caught the local school district off guard.

But the question is can you teach about a culture or country where religion plays a major play in that society without also teaching about that religion?

LOL side note: Hannity fired a shot to start off what has become the annual “Christmas is under assault”. There was a different tact, this time it is to block Santa Claus! A principal of a elementary school cancel a field trip to view “miracle of forty second street”.  Because the movie focuses too much on Santa Claus and some parents complained.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else catch “Hannity‘s America” tonight, if not I expect to see something about in Houston school district there is a controversy. It seems that there is a text book being used that teaches about the middle east, the claim is that it teaches Islam. It brought back a memory of a local controversy in my local district, the rumor was that the schools here were going to teach Native American religion. There was even a petition drive to block the curriculum. Now it was just a baseless rumor and caught the local school district off guard.</p>
<p>But the question is can you teach about a culture or country where religion plays a major play in that society without also teaching about that religion?</p>
<p>LOL side note: Hannity fired a shot to start off what has become the annual “Christmas is under assault”. There was a different tact, this time it is to block Santa Claus! A principal of a elementary school cancel a field trip to view “miracle of forty second street”.  Because the movie focuses too much on Santa Claus and some parents complained.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteElephant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156551</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When cows pollute more than cars.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.planetizen.com/node/16981&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.planetizen.com/node/16981&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When cows pollute more than cars.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.planetizen.com/node/16981" rel="nofollow">http://www.planetizen.com/node/16981</a></p>
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		<title>By: WhiteElephant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156550</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteElephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Cows cause more greenhouse gases than all of our carbon emissions combined.  Even if using carbon resources, half the world would have to convert to vegetarianism to put a dent in all the gases the cows put up.  Autism and mental retardation have been linked to contaminated drinking water thats been polluted by factory farm sewage run off.  If somebody really wanted to make an indivdual impact to reduce their pollution, they would drive a modern 4-banger car, and quit eating cows.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Cows cause more greenhouse gases than all of our carbon emissions combined.  Even if using carbon resources, half the world would have to convert to vegetarianism to put a dent in all the gases the cows put up.  Autism and mental retardation have been linked to contaminated drinking water thats been polluted by factory farm sewage run off.  If somebody really wanted to make an indivdual impact to reduce their pollution, they would drive a modern 4-banger car, and quit eating cows.</p>
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		<title>By: The Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156549</link>
		<dc:creator>The Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops, should have double checked. Glad I had it wrong though!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, should have double checked. Glad I had it wrong though!</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156548</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>taz obviously has NOT watched Gore&#039;s documentary.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>taz obviously has NOT watched Gore&#8217;s documentary.</p>
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		<title>By: taz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156547</link>
		<dc:creator>taz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh yes..man made global warming. I will ask the next mastodon I see about that.

Oh..wait..they are extinct. They died during a NON man made end of an ice age. Very common climatic changes that have been occurring for millions of years.

Of course, since the darling Al Gore has made a movie about it, it is now a political issue, and all the blame for this supposed man made global warming is 100% fault of Republicans.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh yes..man made global warming. I will ask the next mastodon I see about that.</p>
<p>Oh..wait..they are extinct. They died during a NON man made end of an ice age. Very common climatic changes that have been occurring for millions of years.</p>
<p>Of course, since the darling Al Gore has made a movie about it, it is now a political issue, and all the blame for this supposed man made global warming is 100% fault of Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156546</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squander 100,000 dollars?

It&#039;s your problem.

Squander 100 million dollars?

It&#039;s the BANK&#039;s problem.

But never fear--the idiots who make the decisions never forget to make the decision to pay themselves an obscene salary . . .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squander 100,000 dollars?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your problem.</p>
<p>Squander 100 million dollars?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the BANK&#8217;s problem.</p>
<p>But never fear&#8211;the idiots who make the decisions never forget to make the decision to pay themselves an obscene salary . . .</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156545</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,

Do some research.  Global warming is happening faster than scientists expected.  The consequences (rising sea levels, loss of drinking water, etc) are future realities, not &quot;doomsday claims&quot;.

Deltoid has a PDF version of the new AR4 report with better quality graphics than the IPCC&#039;s PDF.

&#039;IPCC AR4 Synthesis report released&#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/11/ipcc_ar4_synthesis_report_rele.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/11/ipcc_ar4_synthesis_report_rele.php&lt;/a&gt;

Also, the IPCC&#039;s new report does not include the most recent data re climate changes and economic trends.  Read the &quot;Update&quot; at above link.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>Do some research.  Global warming is happening faster than scientists expected.  The consequences (rising sea levels, loss of drinking water, etc) are future realities, not &#8220;doomsday claims&#8221;.</p>
<p>Deltoid has a PDF version of the new AR4 report with better quality graphics than the IPCC&#8217;s PDF.</p>
<p>&#8216;IPCC AR4 Synthesis report released&#8217;<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/11/ipcc_ar4_synthesis_report_rele.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/11/ipcc_ar4_synthesis_report_rele.php</a></p>
<p>Also, the IPCC&#8217;s new report does not include the most recent data re climate changes and economic trends.  Read the &#8220;Update&#8221; at above link.</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156544</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/18/business/morgenson.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/18/business/morgenson.php&lt;/a&gt;

Yeah? So what?  They earned it.

Creative pay packages for top officials of subprime mortgage company

By GRETCHEN MORGENSON

Sunday, November 18, 2007
NEW YORK: Things aren&#039;t going very swimmingly for investors in NovaStar Financial, a subprime mortgage originator in Kansas City, Missouri. Its stock plummeted last week on news that the company lost $64.05 a share in the third quarter, that it had canceled its preferred stock dividend and that it was no longer able to reap the tax advantages of a real estate investment trust.

The stock ended the week at $1.72, down from $40 in June.

Equally troubled are many holders of NovaStar mortgages. As of Sept. 30, some 6 percent of the company&#039;s loans held in its own portfolio were at least 30 days delinquent. And 5 percent were in foreclosure.

Happily, though, there is one NovaStar constituency that is doing just fine - the top executives and co-founders. Over the years, they have pocketed millions in compensation, based largely upon loans that probably should never have been made.

. . . .

Then there was the NovaStar branch office system that was too busy generating loans to bother applying for the pesky licenses that some states required. Tiresome regulators - didn&#039;t they know that NovaStar&#039;s entrepreneurs had a company to run?

Alas, the NovaStar party ended this year, for its shareholders, anyhow. Its executives are somewhat better off.

Consider last year&#039;s pay for NovaStar&#039;s creators, Scott Hartman, the chief executive, and W. Lance Anderson, the president. Both earned $1.7 million in salary, bonus, stock grants and other compensation in 2006. This followed $1.6 million that each earned in 2005 and $1.7 million each took home in 2004.

Wait, there&#039;s more. Check out what awaits Hartman and Anderson in their deferred-compensation accounts. As of the 2007 proxy, Hartman&#039;s deferred compensation totaled $9.9 million, while Anderson&#039;s came in at $5.8 million.

And the numbers grow. In 2006 alone, Hartman&#039;s deferred-compensation account generated $1.4 million - more than he earned in salary and bonus combined. Anderson&#039;s account earned $711,386 last year. Sweet.

But NovaStar, known for creativity in its lending practices, also came up with a novel element of executive pay: cash dividends were accrued and paid to top executives on their stock option grants.

Got that? Even though the executives did not yet own the underlying shares, they received cash dividends on them.
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<p>Yeah? So what?  They earned it.</p>
<p>Creative pay packages for top officials of subprime mortgage company</p>
<p>By GRETCHEN MORGENSON</p>
<p>Sunday, November 18, 2007<br />
NEW YORK: Things aren&#8217;t going very swimmingly for investors in NovaStar Financial, a subprime mortgage originator in Kansas City, Missouri. Its stock plummeted last week on news that the company lost $64.05 a share in the third quarter, that it had canceled its preferred stock dividend and that it was no longer able to reap the tax advantages of a real estate investment trust.</p>
<p>The stock ended the week at $1.72, down from $40 in June.</p>
<p>Equally troubled are many holders of NovaStar mortgages. As of Sept. 30, some 6 percent of the company&#8217;s loans held in its own portfolio were at least 30 days delinquent. And 5 percent were in foreclosure.</p>
<p>Happily, though, there is one NovaStar constituency that is doing just fine &#8211; the top executives and co-founders. Over the years, they have pocketed millions in compensation, based largely upon loans that probably should never have been made.</p>
<p>. . . .</p>
<p>Then there was the NovaStar branch office system that was too busy generating loans to bother applying for the pesky licenses that some states required. Tiresome regulators &#8211; didn&#8217;t they know that NovaStar&#8217;s entrepreneurs had a company to run?</p>
<p>Alas, the NovaStar party ended this year, for its shareholders, anyhow. Its executives are somewhat better off.</p>
<p>Consider last year&#8217;s pay for NovaStar&#8217;s creators, Scott Hartman, the chief executive, and W. Lance Anderson, the president. Both earned $1.7 million in salary, bonus, stock grants and other compensation in 2006. This followed $1.6 million that each earned in 2005 and $1.7 million each took home in 2004.</p>
<p>Wait, there&#8217;s more. Check out what awaits Hartman and Anderson in their deferred-compensation accounts. As of the 2007 proxy, Hartman&#8217;s deferred compensation totaled $9.9 million, while Anderson&#8217;s came in at $5.8 million.</p>
<p>And the numbers grow. In 2006 alone, Hartman&#8217;s deferred-compensation account generated $1.4 million &#8211; more than he earned in salary and bonus combined. Anderson&#8217;s account earned $711,386 last year. Sweet.</p>
<p>But NovaStar, known for creativity in its lending practices, also came up with a novel element of executive pay: cash dividends were accrued and paid to top executives on their stock option grants.</p>
<p>Got that? Even though the executives did not yet own the underlying shares, they received cash dividends on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Door King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156543</link>
		<dc:creator>Door King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what The Phathom posted: &quot;Anyone catch that report on the decomposition of the trees killed by Katrina will putout more co2 than all the trees in the world will absorb in a yr.?&quot;

There are many studies of the tree loss due to Katrina. Here is what one claims.

Chambers, assistant professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at Tulane, have determined that the losses inflicted by Hurricane Katrina on Gulf Coast forest trees are enough to cancel out a year’s worth of new tree biomass (trunks, branches and foliage) growth in other parts of the country.

Note: There is a vast difference between &quot;all the trees in the world&quot; and &quot;all the trees in the country.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what The Phathom posted: &#8220;Anyone catch that report on the decomposition of the trees killed by Katrina will putout more co2 than all the trees in the world will absorb in a yr.?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are many studies of the tree loss due to Katrina. Here is what one claims.</p>
<p>Chambers, assistant professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at Tulane, have determined that the losses inflicted by Hurricane Katrina on Gulf Coast forest trees are enough to cancel out a year’s worth of new tree biomass (trunks, branches and foliage) growth in other parts of the country.</p>
<p>Note: There is a vast difference between &#8220;all the trees in the world&#8221; and &#8220;all the trees in the country.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156542</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Phantom,

It was roughly what the trees in the U.S. absorb in one year -- but that&#039;s still a lot of CO2 from only one storm event.

&#039;Forests Damaged By Hurricane Katrina Become Major Carbon Dioxide Source&#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071115164458.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071115164458.htm&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;The scientists then calculated total carbon losses to be equivalent to 60-100 percent of the net annual carbon sink in U.S. forest trees.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Phantom,</p>
<p>It was roughly what the trees in the U.S. absorb in one year &#8212; but that&#8217;s still a lot of CO2 from only one storm event.</p>
<p>&#8216;Forests Damaged By Hurricane Katrina Become Major Carbon Dioxide Source&#8217;<a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071115164458.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071115164458.htm</a><br />
&#8220;The scientists then calculated total carbon losses to be equivalent to 60-100 percent of the net annual carbon sink in U.S. forest trees.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156541</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that keeps increasing is not the temperature caused by man, rather it is the doomsday claims about it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that keeps increasing is not the temperature caused by man, rather it is the doomsday claims about it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156540</link>
		<dc:creator>The Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone catch that report on the decomposition of the trees killed by Katrina will puto out more co2 than all the trees in the world will absorb in a yr.?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone catch that report on the decomposition of the trees killed by Katrina will puto out more co2 than all the trees in the world will absorb in a yr.?</p>
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		<title>By: Kansas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156539</link>
		<dc:creator>Kansas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Planning on a vacation in the Arctic?

January and FebruaryAverage temperature -29°F / -34°C.

Summertime Temperatures average -1.5°C / 29°F
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Planning on a vacation in the Arctic?</p>
<p>January and FebruaryAverage temperature -29°F / -34°C.</p>
<p>Summertime Temperatures average -1.5°C / 29°F</p>
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		<title>By: Kansas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156538</link>
		<dc:creator>Kansas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the period of record 1880-present, Arctic temperatures generally:

* Rose for 60 years, to 1940.* Fell for 25 years, to 1965.* Rose for 40 years, to the present.* Were higher in the 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s than they are today.

The Arctic was warmer in the 1930s than it is today, and somehow, mysteriously and magically, neither the polar bears nor the Inuit became extinct. Nor did we go over any mythical &quot;tipping point&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the period of record 1880-present, Arctic temperatures generally:</p>
<p>* Rose for 60 years, to 1940.* Fell for 25 years, to 1965.* Rose for 40 years, to the present.* Were higher in the 30&#8217;s and 40&#8217;s than they are today.</p>
<p>The Arctic was warmer in the 1930s than it is today, and somehow, mysteriously and magically, neither the polar bears nor the Inuit became extinct. Nor did we go over any mythical &#8220;tipping point&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156537</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1. Extort $$$ from the US, and weaken the US.&quot;

Ummm  Max,  ol&#039;  buddy,  the way the dollar is  losing ground,  we dont need  anybody to weaken our  economy!!  We&#039;re heading for a  recession  all on our own power!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1. Extort $$$ from the US, and weaken the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm  Max,  ol&#8217;  buddy,  the way the dollar is  losing ground,  we dont need  anybody to weaken our  economy!!  We&#8217;re heading for a  recession  all on our own power!!</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156536</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fortunately, public opinion is turning against the politions and their paid hacks in the scientific community. The &#039;consensus&#039; is that GW is a fraud!&quot;

Posted by: Hank Price &#124; November 18, 2007 at 06:02 AM

Poor Hank Price is wrong about climate science AND public opinion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fortunately, public opinion is turning against the politions and their paid hacks in the scientific community. The &#8216;consensus&#8217; is that GW is a fraud!&#8221;</p>
<p>Posted by: Hank Price | November 18, 2007 at 06:02 AM</p>
<p>Poor Hank Price is wrong about climate science AND public opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread-16/#comment-156535</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry bout the double  post!!  blog is acting strange again today!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry bout the double  post!!  blog is acting strange again today!</p>
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