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‘Business Leaders Seek Action on Warming’
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071130/D8T7OEAO3.html
“Some of the world’s top business leaders are demanding that international diplomats meeting next week come up with drastic and urgent measures to cut greenhouse gas pollution at least in half by 2050.
Officials from more than 150 global companies – worth nearly $4 trillion in market capitalization – have signed a petition urging “strong, early action on climate change” when political leaders meet in Indonesia.”
More at link.
Source: AP
Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer is blocking the nomination of former GOP Rep. James E. Rogan to the federal bench, citing his lead role in the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton as one of her concerns.
Her stance is angering Rogan allies who contend that Boxer is reneging on her support for a bipartisan commission set up in California that recommends judicial nominees to the White House. Boxer disputes that.
“U.S. Rep. Rogan was one of the most enthusiastic backers of impeachment — he thought President Clinton had committed high crimes and misdemeanors. The Senate certainly disagreed with that conclusion, as did Sen. Boxer,” said Boxer’s spokeswoman Natalie Ravitz.
Boxer also believes that Rogan’s strongly conservative positions on gun control, abortion and other issues make him “out of step with California,” Ravitz said.
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Say, how does your own medicine taste, Repukes?
“cosmos” –
This is the amazing thing about what passes for “conservative” these days. It used to be the Republic Party advocated “running the government like a business.” *Business* was the Holy Grail.
But when pinko-commie-leftist-socialist-liberal outfits like *General Electric* sign on to the very real threat of man-made global warming, the ideologues just call Al Gore names and reinvent facts to fit their political agenda.
WE EDITORS
No thread on the whole CNN Republican debate debacle?
I agree with Hathan–how about it, Eds?
The question/comment from the Brigadier General had me laughing and then cheering! It was a priceless moment!
So much for Mr. Straight Talk–use that bus to search for your lost credibility, John!
Hathan?
Typo, not a Freudian slip. . . ;-)
“Nathan” –
What made it a “debacle” wasn’t the questions, but the answers.
If the Republic Party candidates can’t deal with questions from Democrats, how will they deal with al Qaeda?
On an earlier post in a different thread I listed all the “gotcha” questions that occurred during last July’s CNN/YouTube forum with the Democratic candidates.
The response from the Cons?
The GOP Debate debacle? Pro-gun control, pro-gay rights, pro-serial adultery Rudy Giulani showed just how crazy he really is. Mitt Romney declared he’s for whatever works for him today, regardless of what he said he believed in when it worked for him then. Mike Huckabee showed he’s read his Bible and likes new taxes. John McCain looked like he’d had a better time in the Hanoi Hilton than when dealing with Republic Party voters.
If the “WE EDITORS” actually opened a thread about the CNN/YouTube Republic Party debate you, “Nathan,” would accuse them of prejudice… because your Republic Party candidates were so inept.
Hope against hope, “Nathan,” that no one remembers how the Republic Party candidates responded to questions they didn’t want to answer. It’s your only hope.
AMEN Monkeyhawk!! So mote it be!!
I just paid my gas bill… nearly doubled from last month…
Bring on the wind power generators, so I can go all electric, at a good rate!!
Kansas needs to put its wind power to some good use, other than political rants!! LOL
Nathan — In case you missed it, we had a Thread on the Republican YouTube Debate — Yesterday — the Thread on Huckabee. Remember??
Interesting articles in USA today.One states night shift workers are more prone to cancer, and night shift will be listed as a carcinogen.
The other does a cost comparison of auto lifetime use between gas, 85/15 ethanol and diesel. Guess which loses? Ethanol by a wide margin. Diesel wins big time. Between the two, you would save $2000 using diesel and spend $1000 more using ethanol.
Besides the waste of resources making ethanol, it’s cost makes it pretty much useless. A diesel/electric car would go a long way in saving resources.
About the only diesel in america is the pissant, though.
Yesterday’s “Open” had quite a bit of comment on the Republican debate too.
If they had that thread, Nathan would have bitched about picking on Repubs., again.
I welcome the opportunity to critique candidates on the Republican side. I don’t mind calling out who is good and who is inept.
Contrary to Lib thinking, those on the right can be honest about their opinions and state it, as I often do.
For as long as Ethanol/gasohol has been around, it is amazing how fairly recent the objections to its use/manufacture has been..
I know personally of a dozen farmers in Nebraska who are very excited about the future of “growing” fuel in their fields. And contrary to what I see as an objection, the farmers I know who are excited about it are not saying that it cuts into their grain for “food” production… They use a different kind of corn for the Ethanol sales, than they do for food or animal feed… From what I have seen of the ethanol corn, I dont think many people would want to eat it…
I wish we could quit putting everyone into a category. I hope all of us are watching, listening, reading as much as possible to all the candidates of all parties.
I haven’t seen or heard a single candidate I can rally around and support. And, that statement covers several past elections too. I’d still like to have someone I felt good voting FOR. I’m tired of voting AGAINST the other candidate. I don’t ever expect to agree with everything on every issue but have some that are important to me. I’m sure we all do!
It’s important to me that we have someone who might begin bringing us together, showing leadership that includes compromise and the ability to use diplomacy right here at home with Americans who are badly divided. Diplomacy is very needed around the world too!
I’m sad and embarrassed by the actions of the Bush administration. Seems many are still sad and embarrassed by the actions of the Clinton administration. And, I know there are probably better words than sad and embarrassed. Angry is what we all seem to be! Here’s hoping ALL of us can get behind the next president. It’s difficult for WE THE PEOPLE to do anything when we’re split.
Linda — might be easier if politics was more about “public service” than about money, and nit picking, and stupid accusations on both sides of the aisle… If the goal was serving WE THE PEOPLE, instead of making up new “morality manuals”, it might help too!!
And people wonder why the U.S. has difficulty with diplomacy with Muslim countries when they are full of bone headed idiots like the following story.
Thousands in Sudan Call for British Teddy Bear Teacher’s Execution
Friday, November 30, 2007
KHARTOUM, Sudan — Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear “Muhammad.”
The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
cont’d
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314111,00.html
Linda,
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
Well, Bless Bush and his little socialist heart, Mortgage rates to be adjusted based on ability to pay, those less able will pay less, and those having the wherewithall to pay more!
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/29/australia.iraq.ap/index.html
“Coalition of the willing” down to the United States and . . . uh . . . Latvia.
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) — Australia’s prime minister-elect said Friday he would pull his country’s combat troops out of Iraq by mid-2008, setting a timetable for the withdrawal he had promised.
The move is likely to disappoint the U.S. government, which has counted Australia as among few staunch allies in the unpopular war in Iraq.
Labor Party leader Kevin Rudd’s victory ended more than 11 years of conservative rule under John Howard, who had strong personal ties with U.S. President George W. Bush.
“The combat force in Iraq we would have home by around about the middle of next year,” Rudd was quoted by Australian Associated Press as telling a radio interviewer in Melbourne.
Rudd went to the polls with a policy of withdrawing Australia’s 550 combat forces in Iraq, while leaving several hundred support troops.
Randy, what a GREAT column today. You outdid yerself.
And you forgot to mention that Sed county will STILL get most of the “pain” from the casinos. All those “social ills” your self righteous preachers and self interesed “business interests” wanted to avoid.
This should go down in Kansas history as one of the more moronic decisions made by ANY community.
… and does anyone but me think it is veeeery interesting that water has just NOW been added to the list of priorities for your legislative delegation?
A little late to the legislative table on water issues? Do your folks know something we dont know about water issues this session and so see the benefit of jumping on the bandwagon?
I just hope they dont sell out and vote to buy the Circle K Ranch, from Hays and Russell, for a million dollars OVER the appraised value of the ranch.
‘Cause ya know, it is ALL about your scratching our backs, and us scratching yours.
Funny, but conservationists always end up with the scars from the scratching…
And big irrigation and municipalities end up with all the water and no scars.
“This should go down in Kansas history as one of the more moronic decisions made by ANY community.”
I don’t know frmgrrl, Sedgwick County and especially the City of Wichita have many in the running for moronic! This one does rank right up there but oh, the competition is exceptional.
I still keep my B.O.H.I.C.A. file and sometimes pull it out so the newest and latest moronic decision doesn’t cause my memory to fail and forget all those in the past.
I’ve also noticed over the last five years that “artificial aquifer recharge” has become the golden key to unlocking water resources in Kansas.
It is more appropriate for you all where you DO sometimes have excess water that can be used for recharge.
But artificial recharge was also the key to the motel room where Cedar Bluff was gang raped by Hays, Russell and the Kansas Water Office.
They ROBBED water from us to “recharge” THEIR aquifer. And the irrigators and ethanol plant in Russell made out like bandits.
It doesnt make any sense to recharge an aquifer that is being drained and exploited by water wasting and unnecessary irrigation and ethanol production.
Recharging YOUR aquifer makes more sense. But then… when have Hays, Russell and the Kansas Water Office EVER operated on good sense?
…and by the way…
have any of you down there LOOKED at how much of this proposed “artificial aquifer recharge” is going to go to the many new ethanol plants in your area?
You think it is for municipal water? heheheheh. And the sheeple sleep….
“I don’t know frmgrrl, Sedgwick County and especially the City of Wichita have many in the running for moronic! This one does rank right up there but oh, the competition is exceptional.”
Yeah, Linda, but by god, they got REVENGE for the previous bad decisions on the arena, didnt they?
heheheheheh. Only in Kansas do two wrongs make a right…
KfG,
A serious question, no disrespect intended, if you think this state is so messed up why do you continue to live here?
I just paid my gas bill… nearly ?doubled from last month…
Bring on the wind power generators, so I can go all electric, at a good rate!!
Posted by: Chas. |
You are crazy if you think fuel bills will go DOWN in the future. The cost of development and distribution will not decline. Only availablility of less carbon fuels will change. Private industry is going to make a mint on the green movement – as well as government carbon taxes!
“I know personally of a dozen farmers in Nebraska, the farmers I know who are excited about it are not saying that it cuts into their grain for “food” production… They use a different kind of corn for the Ethanol sales, than they do for food or animal feed” Chas
Of course they are excited. The price for a bushel of corn has gone sky high! They are making more money!!!
And the farmers are not the experts on “grain/food” production impact, but again, they have a personal interest in pushing the environmentally unfriendly ethanol~!
Chas, you must not buy groceries because those of us who do KNOW the prices are going up! It is all over the web, so don’t take my word for it. The grain diverted to ethanol is causing an increase in grain prices – and manufacturers are paying more for the grain, and passing their increased costs on to consumers.
Ethanol ain’t green.
Anyone see the connection of the Teddy Bear story and the stupid way we have reacted to Phelps? They want to kill someone for letting her class name a teddy bear, and we want to jail and harm someone for standing on the corner with signs we don’t like.
Free speech????
Posted by: ronnie | November 30, 2007 at 11:31 AM
No, but I’ll await your connection explanation. :)
Here’s hoping ALL of us can get behind the next president. It’s difficult for WE THE PEOPLE to do anything when we’re split.
Posted by: lindainks55 | November 30, 2007 at 09:13 AM
Linda, I’d hope all of us would agree with you. Personally, I think our nation is about to be pulled apart by forces nearing those which sparked the civil war.
The rift between us is too great. Just reading the extreme’s on both sides on this small midwestern city blog are representative of the chasm between us.
I don’t think it’s all just party favorism either. I am seeing and hearing extreme opinions on what governments role should be. But on the party note, some pretty hateful and derogatory remarks have been made by many, which are truly heartfelt – not stated just to flame. They denote extreme deep beliefs.
I’m as guilty as the next with my own beliefs.
But I am both saddened and angered by what I see coming.
Just MHO.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
KfG,
A serious question, no disrespect intended, if you think this state is so messed up why do you continue to live here?
Freebird, I think you are an ass, and I dont normally address asses, but here goes nothing…
I live HERE because my FARM is here. And I do love my farm. I love the dirt, the grass, the buildings, the trees the water and the other animals who live here.
Trust me. If I could pick up my farm, built by my grandfather almost one hundred years ago, and move it to California or Massechussets, I would do it.
The day will come soon enough when I cant live here. Either some rat bastards will take the water, or I wont be able to generate a living income, or I will get old and weak and not be able to sustain myself here.
So I try to live each day here to the fullest. And enjoy it every way I can. And I try to nurture the farm, but I’m making little or no effort to preserve it for future generations. I’m the end of the line before big ag and big irrigation swallow it up.
It makes me sad to see what has become of the state I grew up in and loved for so many years. And yes, I’m bitter about the nut jobs who are destroying it, in so many ways, both big and small, either overtly or covertly.
In the end, it doesnt matter the method or how it’s justified. The real Kansas is gone and will not return.
And I’m hoping the last person out will shut off the lights….
It’s a real joke on me that I told people in Texas, for 16 years, how WONDERFUL Kansas was. How we were good stewards of the resources, and how we judged people on what they could DO, not some bigoted and arbitrary theology.
Boy, what a big joke on me. 2005 opened my eyes.
Damn wide.
What happened in 2005 kfg?
From my perspective nothing has changed other than the water hoarders, ethanol and coal plant operations. :D
I’m not sure what other issues have changed dramatically in 2005 that would have affected your life so dramatically.
Since I’m single, I don’t get get the advantages of married tax benefits either. Even in the military, the pay for “housing allowance” is different for married and single. But that’s another story.
Man Charged With Attempted Murder for Slipping Abortion Drug to Girlfriend to Cause Miscarriages
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313882,00.html
Investigators said they asked him if he knew what kind of pills they were, and he responded, “abortion pills.”=======================
Interesting. Somebody tell me, why is this attempted murder?
Abortion is only allowed if it is done by a registered abortionist. Otherwise it is illegal. My question is if they are going to charge him with ‘attempted murder’. If she did indeed miscarry why not murder?
OMG, ok, NOW we are supposed to feel better?
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/242075.html
Fer cryin’ out loud. We are supposed to believe the fix wasnt in when joe harkins and the other guy were appointed to the KCC within a month of each other?
BIG eye roll.
Harkins ALWAYS caries the water for the seblius-allegrucci-harkins-hayden axis of evil.
I find it interesting that the head of CURB STILL wants an affirmation from harkins even though he has recused himself.
Gee, I wonder why? You dont hear anyone affirming that they didnt talk to JOE about all this.
Damn they must think we are stupid. Or sheeple. Or sleeping, or all three.
Do ya suppose they want an affirmation from harkins because… wait for hit….
HARKINS got the marching orders from governor leadership and THEN he talked to the other two commissioners to ensure the rate fix was in?
Kansas… as DUMB as they must think!
“Abortion is only allowed if it is done by a registered abortionist.”
Then if not, it is attempted murder? Even if the mother attempted it herself?
“If she did indeed miscarry why not murder?”
Beats me on that one too.
Kansas, you could access those benefit if you chose to get married. I cant. Big difference.
2005 was also the death knell for Cedar Bluff.
All in all, that year will remain a very sad year for both equality and water policy.
But all in all, it was a VERY good year for terry, joe, fred and the rest of the wingnut gang.
And for Hays and Russell and ethanol.
True true KFG…
I’ve never had an objection to gay marriage which gets me in trouble with my kin sometimes. :)
I don’t care if it’s Fred and Mike or Phyllis and Mary who are married couples.
Most of the gay couples I’ve briefly encountered were pretty cool.
I hope that doesn’t appear to be pandering, but thought you should know that not all Christians Conservatives are hypocritical in this regard.
Besides, I can’t find anything in the Bible that says it cannot be allowed. After all, if Caesar makes the law, Christ says we are supposed to accept it, as all things that are Caesars, remains Caesars.
That would include gay marriage.
But, I can see your point, I’m in the minority view I suppose. It’s hard to change the views of some.
Perhaps all your hard work on awareness will pay off for the next generation.
Not much compensation for yourself, but I bet some kids who want to get married twenty years from now will be thankful.
Meanwhile, you can nickname a chicken Sebelius or Jesus H. and have it for supper to get even.
Even God has a sense of humor, I think. :D
For heavens sake don’t name it Muhammad.
For heavens sake don’t name it Muhammad.
Posted by: ksgrm | November 30, 2007 at 01:15 PM
lol ksgrm :D
Time for today’s dose of partisan free reality.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2006/osama_bin_missing_whos_tried_hardest_to.html
Fact Check is a non-partisan site that provides reviews of the truthfulness made by and about political figures.
They use a different kind of corn for the Ethanol sales, than they do for food or animal feed… From what I have seen of the ethanol corn, I dont think many people would want to eat it…
Haw haw haw and b.s.
Since I’m single, I don’t get get the advantages of married tax benefits either.
Posted by: Kansas
Who do you live with then, Kansas?
Your “partner”?
THE GOVERNMENT HAND-OUT/BAIL-OUT TO SOLVE MORTGAGE CRISIS:
We will bail them out. That’s the Socialist way.
Those who were stupid enough to get into teaser Arms, where the 4.5% rate jumps to 9.5% after 2, 3, or 4 years, will get some kind of negotiated lower rate. Why? Investors will see this as a better alternative then foreclosure, especially on 2nd Mortgages/Home Equity loans. Even without gov’t intervention, they would do this.
With gov’t regulation, it will happen sooner. Taxpayers will pay the price instead of the rich investors.
Those who played by the rules, got their 6% fixed rate loans (instead of the 4.5% teaser loans) will pay the price twice.
Twice? First they pay a higher rate on their own loan. Second, they will pay higher income tax rates to pay for someone else’s loan.
Ain’t Socialism Great!
Anyone with any sense knows that Rove is a LSOS. But this one is just too good to pass up.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/30/card-discredits-rove/
Since I’m single, I don’t get get the advantages of married tax benefits either.
Posted by: Kansas
Who do you live with then, Kansas?
Posted by: JM | November 30, 2007 at 01:31 PM
Why should you care?
And if I was living with someone else, what business is it of yours?
Or do you have some sort of double standard?
I know, you just enjoy trying to display my private life here on the blog.
I hope we never meet, I will put a boot up your ass so far you’ll need a calendar to see the tip of it.
Max–
If the gov’t simply made it illegal to raise loans to confisciatory rates, that would help solve the problem of risky loans and would cost the taxpayers nothing.
I hope we never meet, I will put a boot up your *** so far you’ll need a calendar to see the tip of it.Posted by: Kansas | November 30, 2007 at 01:38 PM
More threats of violence, more vulgarity. I just love so-called “conservatives.”
Kansas will put a “boot up someone’s ass” . . . how’s that? while you’re propped up on your wrist canes?
More threats of violence, more vulgarity. I just love so-called “conservatives.”
Posted by: Tom | November 30, 2007 at 01:41 PM
It won’t be a threat if I ever find out who is doing this.
There is no reason to do this to a person on a blog.
I made a mistake once and told you I am sorry.
Your Lib friends Tom, do it to me on a daily basis and multiple times and then use hiders to do it.
Nothing like have Lib friends that are cowards as well eh Tom?
Rove didn’t get his words out quickly enough and history wasn’t rewritten as fast as he hoped. Why, I don’t think anyone here on this board got those talking points. Being away from Washington must slow his usual lying ways. I personally can’t wait until we’ve gotten all the rats off the ship!
Kansas will put a “boot up someone’s ass” . . . how’s that? while you’re propped up on your wrist canes?
Posted by: CapnAmerica | November 30, 2007 at 01:43 PM
I don’t use canes as much since my recent surgery. But thanks for asking Capn, I know you care.
Actually, could you find that post where you said you were sorry, Kansas.
Because I saw a number of your posts and they only said that you had said you were sorry (past tense).
I never saw the original post where you said, “I’m sorry that I threatened to break into your office while you were gone.”
Maybe you could clear that up for us all . . .
Maybe you could clear that up for us all . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | November 30, 2007 at 01:47 PM
Sorry, I don’t grovel.
So go look for it for yourself.
Ron: I read in a bio of Jeff Davis that he felt a major cause of the Civil War lay in conditioning by the press. Both sides such printed outright, hateful lies that could not be rebuffed that any incident (not just April 1861) could spark war ie., the “final straw” syndrome. All reason was lost on a hostile, misinformed readership. Modern media seems to be repeating the same formula. Maybe you’re right…
Don’t even try to make this about me, Trollboy. I’m not the one making threats against people.
Own your words. Own your actions. Isn’t personal responsibility one of the MAIN tenets of conservatism? It’s time to live up to your own standards.
If you have any.
Well Capn, regulation isn’t always the answer. Be careful what you ask for.
Is 9.5% a confiscatory rate? In the early 1990’s I refinanced from 10% to 8.5% and thought I had a great deal.
If you want gov’t to mandate loan rates, then be prepared for the supply of loans to dry up quickly.
Why?
Because investors will not lend money for rates below market prices for a given loan product.
Someone with just 5% down, with a loan-to-value of 95% may not find a loan if the market rates rise to 8% or 9% for a higher risk loan type, and the gov’t mandates a cap of 7%.
Price controls lead to shortages. Look at Nixon’s wage and price freeze during the Arab oil Embargo back in 73 or 74.
Don’t even try to make this about me, Trollboy. I’m not the one making threats against people.
Own your words. Own your actions. Isn’t personal responsibility one of the MAIN tenets of conservatism? It’s time to live up to your own standards.
If you have any.
Posted by: Tom | November 30, 2007 at 01:50 PM
Well Tom, it wasn’t a threat, it was a poorly made joke as I wrote “we” as in the entire blog not “me.”
If it makes you feel any better I will apologize to you once again for having written what I wrote.
You will note that I haven’t done it again and won’t do it again.
Not that it appears to make a difference to those like yourself Tom that do not have forgiveness in your heart.
Price controls lead to shortages. Look at Nixon’s wage and price freeze during the Arab oil Embargo back in 73 or 74.
Posted by: Max
Nixon? I thought that was Jimmy Carter?
Interesting statistics dept.
Number of posts on this thread–
Kansas….. 11KSfgrl………9Capn A……..6Chas………..5MonkHawk….2Tom…………2
That’s correct CapnAmerica on the post count.
But guess what?
Five of my posts were written to deal specifically with the problems you directly caused.
I try to be pleasant and all you contribute is “salt in the wound”, insults and spiteful comments.
So subtract five posts from my total having to deal with an ignorant paranoid like you CapnAmerica.
Looks like the bloggers at the beginning of the WE Blog were 100 percent right about you. CapnAmerica, Galahad, Wally O’Dell, LeftHook, True Lib and his many other nics is nothing but a trouble maker and wants to cause trouble.
Kansas . . . . 12
I heard on CNBC Bush’s plan advocates that only those with low intro. rates that can prove they are unable to pay the higher rates will get a reprieve. Those that can pay, will.
Well Tom, it wasn’t a threat, it was a poorly made joke as I wrote “we” as in the entire blog not “me.”
Not that it appears to make a difference to those like yourself Tom that do not have forgiveness in your heart.
Posted by: Kansas | November 30, 2007 at 01:57 PM
You’re a liar. Your comments were directed specifically at JR.
And I don’t have forgiveness for unrepentant liars.
Saw that some guy with a bomb strapped to himself took over Hillary’s office. Is Max accounted for today?
“The Phantom” –
I saw one report that the guy in Rochester, New Hampshire has a history of mental problems.
Although I’m for John Edwards in the Democratic race, I’m quietly hoping Hillary didn’t shoot “Nathan’s” dog.
Some links on the PDB from Steven Aftergood.**********See the “Evaluation of the Process Leading to the President’s MorningIntelligence Reading Package,” memorandum for Henry A. Kissinger fromA.W. Marshall, March 18, 1970 (13 MB PDF file):
http://www.nixonlibrary.gov/virtuallibrary/documents/mr/031870_pdb.pdf
Selected other declassified documents from the Nixon Library releasedthis week are here:
http://www.nixonlibrary.gov/virtuallibrary/documents/mandatoryreview.php
Background on PDBs including previous releases and recent litigation inwhich an appeals court upheld the denial of two Vietnam-era Briefs isavailable from the National Security Archive here:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/pdbnews/index.htm**********
One secret about the PDB: there is a widely held belief in the intelligence community that presidents don’t read them. And that would include GW Bush’s predecessors.
“Looks like the bloggers at the beginning of the WE Blog were 100 percent right about you. CapnAmerica, Galahad, Wally O’Dell, LeftHook, True Lib and his many other nics is nothing but a trouble maker and wants to cause trouble.”
One has to love this formula, *don’t have facts, then make sh*t up* Some people follow this formula very consistently.
scroll-over poster
Saw that some guy with a bomb strapped to himself took over Hillary’s office. Is Max accounted for today?Posted by: The Phantom | November 30, 2007 at 02:53 PM
Yes Phantom, I’m accounted for. Funny though.
My bet is that this is a publicity stunt, a fake bomber to go along with the fake question askers.
He’ll have handguns too, and that will further her gun ban agenda.
Good grief! What won’t Hillary do to get elected?
DRUGS, THE OTHER STUPID WAR – by William A. Collins
Blacks with drugs,
Do make me gloat;
‘Cause once in jail,
They’ll never vote.
Every country relishes its own destructive obsessions. Japan, for example, craves whale meat; France tortures geese to improve the flavor of their livers; Zimbabwe and Myanmar just torture people; certain African nations genitally mutilate little girls to prevent them from later enjoying sex. Thoughtful, that. And Saudi Arabia doesn’t let women drive, cleverly keeping them at home to do the work.
In this country we prohibit drugs. Just this year our governor vetoed a bill that would have allowed hopeless pain sufferers to smoke marijuana when all else fails. Still, even if she’d signed it, the feds could have come in and pinched patients, docs, growers, and anyone else actually involved in treatment.
But as ridiculous as this prohibition of pot for pain may seem, the prohibition of pot for pleasure is worse. It’s much more discriminatory than the old prohibition of booze. That bummer was enforced by raiding speakeasies, generally frequented by whites. Saner heads eventually prevailed and Prohibition was sent to dry out in the archives.
Drug laws are more insidious; they aim purposely at blacks. Selective enforcement is targeted to minority neighborhoods, and long mandatory sentences are common. These make sure that non-whites populate our prisons out of all proportion to their percentage in the population. There are even heavily-used laws adding additional years in jail for drug possession merely because one was near a school, housing project and senior center. Guess who lives in those neighborhoods. One such alleged dealer in our town just had these Jim Crow charges thrown at him the other day. He’s 19. By-bye, Baby.
The beauty of this system is that vast numbers of non-whites become felons, and felons can’t vote. Not while in jail and often not for a long time thereafter. In some states, never. Since most of these “criminals” are poor, they harbor a natural tendency to vote Democratic on those rare occasions when they actually possess the franchise. Thus the continued existence of overbearing drug laws is the best thing to happen to the Republican Party since Ronald Reagan. Maybe Abraham Lincoln.
Consequently Republicans prosecute the War on Drugs with religious ferocity. Anyone proposing rational discussion is tagged as “soft on drugs,” and these days, as “aiding terrorism.” No epithet is off the table. The police are mired in the conflict too. Their departments collect forfeitures, often cars and cash, which were used in drug dealing. All this makes for a powerful integrated lobby. Not to mention the prison guards and prison builders.
Of course it’s all stupid. Addicts are better treated as patients, just like alcoholics, rather than as crooks. Connecticut’s and America’s jails brim over with these mandatory sentences, often forcing some real bad guys to be released prematurely to make room. The cost in taxes is huge too. All this just so shameless politicians can stay in office by raising hysteria and suppressing the minority vote.
Opposing this mania, San Francisco, no stranger to addicts, is eyeing a new tack. Well, new at least in the U.S. Eight other countries do it already. The scheme is to offer the serious heroin addict a clean safe room and a clean safe needle. In Europe they even offer clean safe heroin. No cops, no HIV, no Hep-3, no charge, no questions; but medical care and treatment upon request.
You’ll be astonished to learn that in such dens of iniquity overseas, crime is down, health is up, and drug usage has declined. Such a plan has little future in this country however. But a lot of those mangy addicts, when treated like people instead of maggots, tend to hike up their britches, find part time jobs, shoot up less often, and worst of all, vote. Not in our blessed country they won’t, by God!
The pupils of the Tendai school used to study meditation before Zen entered Japan. Four of them who were intimate friends promised one another to observe seven days of silence.
On the first day all were silent. Their meditation had begun auspiciously, but when night came and the oil lamps were growing dim one of the pupils could not help exclaiming to a servant: “Fix those lamps.”
The second pupil was surprised to hear th first one talk. “We are not supposed to say a word,” he remarked.
“You two are stupid. Why did you talk?” asked the third.
“I am the only one who has not talked,” concluded the fourth pupil.
So, these post evaluations are independent because some unknown person says they are? Yeah, right.
Thanks Max I forgot the rest of the formula:
1) Make up sh*t2) Repeat it often3) Made up sh*t becomes fact…
Thanks for providing a wonderful example in your 3:23 PM post.
Actually Steven, that is a perfect example of the formula used by the left here.
Looks like Old JM/kansas is now in full blown meltdown…
Looks like Kansas has justifiably handed you and your cohorts your behinds. The childish attacks have no place on this blog. Find one that specializes in that type of attack and take your friends along.
Tracy let me see if I have this right. San Francisco that bastion of good moral value will now be handing the adicts a clean needle, furnishing a clean room to shoot up in, giving them clean drugs and this will be paid for by who. Why that would be the workers bees of course. And you wonder why tax payers are saying enough!!
Kiss my rear end granny.
Typical JR I have written you off as not worthy of reading. Just an annoyance to be overlooked. Sad because you can contribute when you want to. You just don’t want to often enough.
Oh my little heart may break!
I don’t have grmies love and respect.
Like I really care.
If you’ll stand with kansas I wouldn’t want anything of you other than to see you leave.
Do keep posting though. Good to know what the enemy is….thinking?
JR,
Are you trying to set a record for most posts with least amount of words in them today?
I have a hard time not calling you a Hypocrite when you start off attacking Kansas for being on meltdown and then you tell ksgrm to kiss your rear end.
As I have said before, you are no better than those you criticize when you resort to such behavior.
Green Power plus Ag = money
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/renewable-energy-and-agriculture-a-natural-fit.html
Wow. Just wow.
Knowing that Kansas spent about three hours searching the weblog archives for those nothing posts will put a spring in my step for the rest of the day.
Got another meeting tonight about how to destroy CONservativism and everything it stands for and take my country back from the batsh*t facists.
Tally ho!
BTW, Nathan,
How do you explain that the LORD asked Moses to lead his people out of bondage but then turned around and pursued him with the intent to kill Moses?
I noticed you didn’t respond to that yesterday.
ksgrm, in response to your inquiry to Tracy about who will pay, the same people who now pay to have these individuals incarcerated, and likely also pay for the medical care when these folks contract Hepatitis from dirty needles, and likely pay for their burial when there is a death from an overdose. I wonder if the cost/benefit analysis is skewed one way or the other in this regard; an honest question, not an attempt at flaming, etc.
If Mr. Collins (the author of the article cut and pasted by Tracy) is correct in his assertion about what has occurred in the eight countries which are doing this, such would appear to reduce addiction, thereby crime, and might actually save the taxpayers money.
I note that San Francisco’s plan doesn’t furnish the heroin; that apparently is done in Europe, according to the author. San Francisco is proposing to furnish the clean needles and clean room only, as I read the piece.
Got another meeting tonight about how to destroy CONservativism…-Capn
Hmm, good luck with that. Try thinking of something to build instead of focusing on something to destoy. Maybe that is your problem.
CapnAmerica,
I never seen the question yesterday.
If you want me to answer the question, I would like for you to reference the scripture you are using in it.
Specifically the scripture which shows where God “then turned around and pursued him with the intent to kill Moses?”
19 And the LORD said unto Moses in Midian, Go, return into Egypt: for all the men are dead which sought thy life.
20 And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt: and Moses took the rod of God in his hand.
21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.
CapnAmerica,
I have one more question for you before I asnwer.
Why do you ask this question?
Do you seriously want to know the answer or is this just another attempt to try to show how the Bible is wrong?
In other words, what is your motivation for wanting to know?
THE DOLLAR NOSEDIVE: Why America’s Currency Is the World’s Problem
November 30, 2007
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,520700,00.html
“US President George W. Bush is hardly likely to be impressed by this sort of talk coming from Old Europe. He has proven himself, once again, a master of ignoring the obvious, behaving as if the dollar problem were nonexistent. “The policy of this government is a strong dollar,” he says, adding, “we believe that the marketplace is the best place to set the exchange rates.”
My motivation is to show that this passage cannot be explained if one believes that that the Bible is a “history” book or a “science” book.
The fundamentalist view that every word of the Bible is literally true cannot be true and any sense made out of passages like this one.
Since you are a fundamentalist, I just wondered how you can possible square the notion of an omniscient, omnipotent God with this Yahweh character of the Old Testament.
“Got another meeting tonight about how to destroy CONservativism and everything it stands for and take my country back from the batsh*t facists.”- CapnAmerica
Is that where you learn about the use of innuendo, deception, half-truths, and recycling months old stories?
Capn, do the ends justify the means?
CapnAmerica,
Then this verse has nothing to do with your question at all, if I read your last paragraph correctly.
You simply don’t think that the Character of God is plausable with an omnipotent being.
So why not just say that instead of asking me a question about Moses?
The question really boils down to why do you think that the Character of God in the OT is not that of an omnipotent being?
Believe me, the passage can be explained.
However, if you are already predisposed to not believing anything about the Character of God anyhow, what would be the point in trying to explain it to you?
I think Senator Chuck Hagel got this one spot on. I agree with him completely.
“This is one of the most arrogant, incompetent administrations I’ve ever seen personally or ever read about,” the always blunt and frequently quotable Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said yesterday during an appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.
“This administration in my opinion has been as unprepared as any administration I’m aware of,” Hagel added, “not only the ones that I have been somehow connected to and that’s been every administration — either I’ve been in Washington or worked within an administration or Congress or some way dealing with them since the first Nixon administration. I would rate this one the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus — almost every area, I would give it the lowest grade. …
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/11/hagel-bush-admi.html
You know what I think, Nathan?
I think The Bible was written down over many centuries and reflects an oral tradition far older, just like every other ancient text one might care to mention (Homer’s Ilyad for instance).
The Bible therefore reflects different beliefs of people at different times.
This OT Yahweh is very similar to the Greek Zeus or the Norse Odin, powerful Gods with supernatural powers and personalities like spoiled children.
How else to explain the LORD’S about face of demanding Moses to carry out a task for him then chasing him down to kill him?
The OT also shows evidence of pantheism “ye are all gods, and sons of gods,” and human sacrifice “God said to Abraham, ‘Kill me your son.’”
A fundamentalist reading of the Bible cannot account for the changing nature of God, as you put it.
CapnAmerica,
I never said anything about the changing nature of God.
Our relationship with God has changed.
God didn’t do an about face with Moses. Moses was disobeying God when it came to the circumcision of his son and that was why God sought to kill him.
Which is why in verse 25 Zipporah then circumcised the son.
If you read the entire chapter the context is pretty clear of what took place.
I am assuming you got the verse of some website though and didn’t bother to read the whole chapter at all.
KFG is that you?
Well, all that posting by the blogzilla wasn’t necessary.
“Nathan, you are a christian Taliban terrorist!
You should make reservations a Gitmo as soon as possible!”
Posted by: Sympathy for the DEVIL | November 30, 2007 at 05:31 PM
Most likely J R Nathan.
Nope not me.
“Sympathy…” would seem to be one of “kansas’s” nics. From some posts yesterday anyway. I don’t use rhetoric like that.
I think I might have some insight on what is the problem here.
PRINCETON, NJ — Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent, according to data from the last four November Gallup Health and Healthcare polls. Fifty-eight percent of Republicans report having excellent mental health, compared to 43% of independents and 38% of Democrats. This relationship between party identification and reports of excellent mental health persists even within categories of income, age, gender, church attendance, and education.
Sorry I can’t hang around and debate this all night. I am leaving for Iowa early in the morning and need to pack. Enjoy.
I’ll only comment that ksgrm’s post reminds me of the observation that the drunk driver is convinced that he is perfectly sober while the basically sober guy (one beer) is worried that he might be impaired.
In response to Tracys article about the successs of open drug policies. The following would put a lie to it.
“Swedish Newspaper Says Their Policies Give Better ProtectionAgainst “hell of drug abuse than loose rules” of DutchIn the years since their entry into the European Union, reality has caught up with the Swedish drug warriors. Drug abuse in Sweden is skyrocketing out of control. Despite the most draconian and constantly escalating drug laws in Europe, drug use and abuse is now approaching the levels of the drug epidemics of the late Sixties and early Seventies. The number of hard drug addicts has risen from 12,000 to 22,000, and this in a country of under 10 million inhabitants.
Deaths due to drug abuse in Sweden are amongst the highest in Europe, having risen from 50 per year in 1970 to 250 per year today. In the age group 20-39, drugs account for 10 percent of all deaths, as many as die in traffic accidents.
(Narkotikafrågan no. 4 1999)
Law enforcement in Sweden is collapsing as a result of their drug war. For years Swedish law enforcement agencies have been warning of impending disaster as their drug war and the crime it generates escalates uncontrollably. Law and order in parts of Sweden is in danger of breaking down and whole areas of Stockholm have become war zones controlled by pushers and rival drug gangs. Life in them is becoming intolerable and the police are powerless to stem the rising drug crime.”
http://www.marijuananews.com/news.php3?sid=207
Ben you probably won’t agree with my article on open drug policies either.
Maybe we bloggers are all crazy and just not sane enough to admit it.
Interesting. they ahve the most severe laws and as a result the biggest problem. Seems to indicate that draconian laws backfire.
Actually, to me this is not all that surprising. Forcing ‘everyday’ recreational drugs (things like tobacco, alcohol, marijuana) underground via prohibition gives organized a crime both a steady stream of income and also access to many citizens who otherwise would not be dealing with them.
Better to have such drugs available in regulated but legal outlets. That way you avoid the exposure to the hard stuff when making a purchase.
I made a Wolfgang Puck recipe turkey for Thanksgiving. It called for three wines – a half-cup each os a white, Port, and Madiera. So, Wednesday afternoon I headed down to the liquor store. Nobody there tried to ‘up-sell’ me a few jugs of vodka or whatever while I was finding my cooking stuff. And, I did not fear getting caught in a cross-fire with a rival dealer.
“The Swedes have become aware of the fact that their country, instead of being a showplace for successful repressive narcotics policies, has become an advertisement for the catastrophic failure of prohibition.”
ksgrm – the irony here is that, other than that Wolfgang Puck recipe, I use none of them.
Turkey came out great. Gravy was a bit sweet for my taste though – I think that was from the white wine.
Have fun in Iowa. Careful if you are driving – don’t like the looks of it:
http://www.wunderground.com/severe.asp
Regarding some comments about Ethanol previously upthread >>>
I can only speak for the farmers I know in Nebraska, who were very excited about planting a different kind of corn for Ethanol sale, than corn planted for other uses…
It seems to me that the objection of rising food costs, could have as much (or more) to do with rising transportation costs, as it does in the price of corn at the elevators…
Diesel is Very high in so many places…
Ksgrm, look out!
Ice Storm in Iowa Saturday!
Republicans Report Much Better Mental Health Than OthersRelationship persists even when controlling for other variables
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Republicans-Report-Much-Better-Mental-Health-Than-Others.aspx
Might explain some of the tantrums I’ve seen on this blog.
Very interesting polling data.
And have a great weekend everyone.
The Justice Foundation says it needs to receive signed legal statements from regretful women in order to help the Supreme Court see the physical and emotional damage abortion has done to millions of women since Roe v. Wade.[As if the testimony of a few million devastated and victimized mothers and fathers could sway the leftist, activist, baby-hating members on the federal bench. In their minds, there are much more important considerations, like maintaining that babies before birth are not human and therefore fair game for profitable extermination - especially if they're black.]See news pagehttp://www.lifenews.com/nat3499.html- – -
Conservatively estimated, Congressman Henry Hyde’s leadership stopped the contract killings of at least one million babies in America’s abortion mills.[His passing was completely ignored on the CBS Evening News.]- – -
Local authorities investigating four late-term abortion mills in Barcelona, Spain say they discovered machines attached to the drains of the buildings used to flush down the bodies of babies victimized by abortion. The machines were apparently used to crush the bodies and flush them into the city’s sewer system. The abortion mills are also accused of illegal post-viable abortions.[A Wichita, KS abortion mill, now converted to a pro-life Operation Rescue facility, once used an industrial garbage disposal to get rid of the tiny bodies. Others are buried in the Johnson County Landfill as waste.]
Well what have we here let’s see..
Mmm mental health..
ideology influenced ..oh uh huh…
parkay.
I offer as rebuttal to ksgrms link exibit A:
A foamy mouthed ranting anti choice kook.
Looks like the pro-coal people are getting more desperate.
‘Kansas Lawmaker Claims Coal Plants Are Good For Crops’http://www.desmogblog.com/kansas-lawmaker-claims-coal-plants-are-good-for-crops
“Desperate times, call for desperate arguments.
In a last ditch bid to build two new coal plants in Kansas, Larry Powell (R- Garden City) is making the argument that the new coal plants would be in fact good for local crops.”More at link.
KFGAs I stated I meant no disrespect, sorry you took offense to my question. I think it is great that you live on a place that has been in your family for years. My family had a place like that in West Virginia until the state decided to build a road through the middle of it
Why does something said by Larry Powell (R- Garden City) about coal plants being good for farmin’?
Using his convoluted logic concerning CO2 and growing, all one has to do is look at the polluted rivers and streams in the state. They’re polluted because of the overuse of fertilizers and pesticides used for some many years.
Farmers were told more is better by the chemical people, and what the result is water pollution. Now, we got some elected official conning people with CO2. How about the mercury, et al, that those same “good for the crops” coal plants produce and feed those same fields?
Gimme a break, Larry Powell (R- Garden City), coal plants are the last thing western Kansas needs.
I bet if you’d polled the residents of an insane assylum (when such places existed) the number of residents reporting excellent mental health would have been nearly double what the republicans reported!
That is so funny Phantom.
You are a riot!