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Ron Paul can clean-out the government and we can rebuild it without the bridge to nowhere.
Feel like you’ve gotten your 20,000 worth out of Iraq?http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071113/pl_nm/usa_war_costs_dc_2
That 1.5 trillion would have gone a long way to helping America instead of fighting-off the people the jews piss-off.
What a waste.
“…instead of fighting-off the people the jews piss-off.”
Right on, ed!! Damned dirty Jews!
You are on it.
They’re not dirty….they’re not damned….they do piss people off, now that they do and it’s expensive, you stupid jerk
Notice how he trys to change the subject?
OK, where’s the: You want to blame they for all the world’s problems?
No.
Just the ones which they create…..the expensive ones…
I do mean to help Ed.
Two known posters here. Ed, fleetwood.
Ed posts some pretty extreme stuff.
fleetwood posts mostly grafitti.
But Ed posts and people do bother to read it. fleetwood could piss on a spark plug, while setting himself on fire, simultaneously playing the Star Spangled Banner on a kazoo with a neon sign over his head imploring folks to pay attention.
And mostly, no one would.
Carry on Ed.
Could some one carry out fleet?
JR, There are some hardcore Zionists on this blog, the kind that you like so much :<
I will trust you to keep us informed Ed. As I said, I do read you.
I thought we were on the same team, ed. Wipe ‘em all out.
Right?
What would happen to the price of oil, if speculators in the market were penalized by taxes? What contribution do the oil speculators make to the oil acquisition process, to the economy, or to society?
How’s about you busy yourself going and getting an example of Ed ever posting along the lines of “wipe ‘em all out.” there fleetie? That should keep you busy.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-11-12-ied_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
OMGosh!
The liberal media is at it again–
The number of roadside bombs found in Iraq declined dramatically in August and September from earlier this year, and U.S. officials say the discoveries of thousands of ammunition caches might explain the drop.Improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, are responsible for at least 60% of U.S. casualties in Iraq. The Pentagon has repeatedly refused to release figures on the number of IED attacks in Iraq or the number of casualties that have resulted.
USA TODAY obtained the month-by-month tally, which represents the total numbers of IEDs — exploded or unexploded — found in Iraq, including those targeting U.S. and coalition troops, Iraqi security forces and civilians.
Since the start of the year through September, coalition forces found 25,208 IEDs, according to the figures, which were confirmed by the Pentagon. In those nine months, IEDs killed 510 coalition troops.
The numbers of IEDs found and the deaths they caused have declined steadily since June. In September, coalition forces found 2,022 IEDs. That’s down 38% from March, this year’s peak.
******
Once again they are hiding the good news and progress in Iraq.
Hey, wait . . .
They’re not.
In that case . . . MISSON ACCOMPLISHED, brimg ‘em home. Job well done!
Lobbying Stalls Generic Drug LegislationNovember 13, 2007 – 7:47am
By FREDERIC J. FROMMER
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) – Legislation aimed at speeding the availability of cheaper generic drugs has stalled in Congress in the face of major lobbying by the drug industry.
The Senate bill would ban most settlements known as “reverse payments,” in which a brand-name company pays a generic manufacturer to delay the introduction of the generic drug. The Federal Trade Commission, which has called on Congress to take action, says such settlements could cost American consumers billions of dollars……..
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=116&sid=1291158
Hey ed! It’s a good thing you have jr answering for you. Hope he’s not a Jew.
The world contains too many atomic weapons and pissing people off will have a disastous result.
I would rather see the United States offer protection to everybody in the Middle East, including Iran and forceably solve the Israeli/Paletinian problem.
911 proves what happens when somebody keeps getting the short end of the stick.
Israel can exist in peace after it rachets back its attitude.
No more attacking Lebanon or Syria.
On their own, they can’t be trusted, while thinking they are better than everybody else.
Don’t forget–NOVA looks at the outlawing of intelligent design in PA tonight at 7.
Set your TIVOs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21766479
For what you’re paying for the phony “war against terror,” you could have bought a brand new car.
*****
Report: Wars cost U.S. families $20,000
Democrats say hidden costs double price of conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan
Reuters
WASHINGTON – A new study by congressional Democrats says “hidden costs” have driven the price of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to about $1.5 trillion, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday.
That figure is nearly double the $804 billion the White House has spent or requested, according to the report by the Democratic staff of Congress’s Joint Economic Committee, which examines the hidden costs of the wars, the Post said.
According to the panel, the hidden costs include higher oil prices, the expense of treating wounded veterans and interest payments on money borrowed to pay for the wars, the newspaper said.
The report was expected to be presented on Capitol Hill on Tuesday.
A 21-page draft obtained by the newspaper estimates that the wars have cost the average U.S. family of four more than $20,000, the Post said.
The study concludes that the cost to the average family could more than double, to $46,300, over the next decade, with estimated economic costs to the United States reaching $3.5 trillion if the conflicts continue at their current pace, the Post said.
The Post said the report estimated that war injuries could add more than $30 billion in future disability and medical care costs, including billions in lost earnings for veterans who cannot work because of post-traumatic stress disorder.
Members of the panel’s Republican staff could not be reached for comment, the Post said.
The newspaper cited war funding experts as saying that some of the numbers in the report should be met with skepticism.
The experts said it is difficult to calculate the precise impact of the Iraq war on global oil prices. They also said it was speculative to estimate how much the war will cost over time because situations change daily on the battlefield, the Post reported.
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Socialism for Halliburton, Blackwater, Kellogg Brown and Root, Bechtal, CACI.
We get sent the bill, they collect the loot.
Report: Wars cost U.S. families $20,000
Democrats say hidden costs double price of conflicts in Iraq, AfghanistanReutersupdated 4:26 a.m. CT, Tues., Nov. 13, 2007WASHINGTON – A new study by congressional Democrats says “hidden costs” have driven the price of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to about $1.5 trillion, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday.
That figure is nearly double the $804 billion the White House has spent or requested, according to the report by the Democratic staff of Congress’s Joint Economic Committee, which examines the hidden costs of the wars, the Post said.
According to the panel, the hidden costs include higher oil prices, the expense of treating wounded veterans and interest payments on money borrowed to pay for the wars, the newspaper said.
The report was expected to be presented on Capitol Hill on Tuesday.
A 21-page draft obtained by the newspaper estimates that the wars have cost the average U.S. family of four more than $20,000, the Post said.
The study concludes that the cost to the average family could more than double, to $46,300, over the next decade, with estimated economic costs to the United States reaching $3.5 trillion if the conflicts continue at their current pace, the Post said.
The Post said the report estimated that war injuries could add more than $30 billion in future disability and medical care costs, including billions in lost earnings for veterans who cannot work because of post-traumatic stress disorder.
Members of the panel’s Republican staff could not be reached for comment, the Post said.
The newspaper cited war funding experts as saying that some of the numbers in the report should be met with skepticism.
The experts said it is difficult to calculate the precise impact of the Iraq war on global oil prices. They also said it was speculative to estimate how much the war will cost over time because situations change daily on the battlefield, the Post reported.
******
Socialise the costs to you and me–privatize the profits to big companies like Halliburton, Kellogg Brown and Root, CACI, Blackwater, Bechtold etc.
Cap’N,
Indeed: collective risk, privatize profit. It’s the new New Economy, don’t you know…
fleetwood,
Calling Ed an anti-Semite? You’re the only one on this thread I see using the racist phrase ‘dirty Jews.’
Is that what you really believe, fleetwood?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-11-12-ied_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
OMGosh!
The liberal media is at it again–____________________
Thanks for providing this information, CapnAmerica. It basically uses the same information and data that we discussed a couple of days ago (along with some new info) based on a blog note from Kristen Mehler of the WE staff. However, at that time, the Eagle ran the info under the headline, “Surge in US Military Deaths” as I recall.* I noted that the headline seemed designed to at least color the info, if not out right misrepresent it. You argued in the Eagle’s defense, though, stating that…. Let me see if I can find it… Oh, yes, here’s your quote:
“I’d say the headline is pretty accurate.”
To substantiate both the Eagle’s position and yours, you provided a graph, which I appreciated, but then you had a rather “unique” interpretation of the graph compared to the rest of the folk who checked it and commented on it.
Ah, but that’s all water under the bridge. The news to be celebrated, as you point out, is that indeed US deaths haven’t surged, but they are down, and things are improving. I’m glad USA Today ran the unvarnished article. I think that’s about all any of us would like to see.
Can’t wait to bring our folks home.___________
*That headline on the WE Blog remains over this information, unpulled and unchanged. Again I say to the WE editors, shame.
JR,
Contrary to what you might think, you are not the blog monitor king.
I stopped reading anything Ed posted years ago.
I welcome fleetwood here and read what he says.
“Is that what you really believe, fleetwood?”
Funny you don’t ask ed that.He’s the Jew hater. Don’t shoot the messenger.
fleetwood,
When the “messenger” uses the occasion of critizing Ed to insert anti-Semitic epithets that Ed didn’t actually use, one tends to doubt the “messenger’s” sincerity.
“Don’t forget–NOVA looks at the outlawing of intelligent design in PA tonight at 7.”
Press 2 for Spanish
NO VA
CF2K,
Anyone who took even a moment to actually understand what fleetwood was writing would see that it was a piece of satire in fake agreement with Ed, not an actual insult meant by fleetwood.
Nathan,
And people who sincerely denounce others for being anti-Semetic generally don’t tend to employ anti-Semetic terms in the course of doing so.
My point, Nathan, is that fleetwood is completely opportunistic by wielding the anti-Semetic charge expediently as a political bludgeon. Same as Econ101 calling Jimmy Carter an anti-Semite.
JR
I read you as well…very insightful…
JR
I read you as well…very insightful…
Posted by: Ed Friedemann____________________
Oh, yes! Ed and JR. Two insightful peas in a transpicuous pod, and now… a mutual fan club! Let us celebrate this new alliance of like-minded friends. I do believe I get the prize for being the first to mention the similarities. Be sure to check the time stamp evidence from last evening! (I’m so excited… I never win anything!)
:-)
Bully for me! And happy blogging to the newly aligned duo!
Too bad you just got here David.
No really I mean it.
Ed has been correct about an awful lot of things re: zionism. That is the political movement. Not the people. Ed has shown no overt racism.
And if Nathan, you and the rest of the right stand PROUDLY with “kansas”,fleetwood, econ, etc?
I’m cool standing up for Ed. I’ll put his words or mine over theirs any day.
Econ101 calling Jimmy Carter an anti-Semite shows how ridiculus the charge really is.
Both Arabs and Jews are Semites to start with and Jimmy Carter is no bigot or racist.
Not one bone in his body.
Max I have this picture in my mind with all of the JMers watching their private emails to find out what to do next. Their little hump backs getting rounder and rounder as the days go by – waiting for the big guy to give the word that they can post. I wonder what dim bulb came up with this one?
Posted by: ksgrm | November 12, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Here is the Capn issuing orders:
I think our job* is done regarding the troll. He has been shown for whathe is beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt: a lying liar who lies.
Time to relegate him to where he belongs–the dustbin of WEBlog history.
He just doesn’t matter anymore.
Walk on by.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | November 12, 2007 at 11:15 PM
*What job could CapnAmerica be referring to? To turn off the JM multi-NIC’ing which has been cloggingthe blog with worthless posts since 1 November?
Secret Blog alliances? Didn’t know there were any.
No need for anyone to stand up for you JR, try it, I bet you can stand up for yourself.
“Policing their own”, as if this was some political club or something.
Typical Libs though, no Individual accountability or responsibility.
Hell, you can’t even blog for yourselves!
Maybe it takes a group to blog, or a village.
Well I see J R is off to a fine start this morning.
From his first post this morning up and to the present time, he has only posted name-calling and attacks on other posters.
Not one single bit of a fresh opinion on a matter of substance today.
But I don’t see one yet attacking Kansas – maybe that is an improvement!
(yawn)
Max,
In your case, it takes a Reich.
Max,
In your case, it takes a Reich.
Doh! Double-post! Might as well make it a triple.
“Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about events, and small minds talk about people.”
Posted by: American Way | November 12, 2007 at 01:44 PM
Well Pat, I don’t hear anyone one ‘their’ side condemning JR and getting him in line.
JR must have different blog rules for himself.
Or JR is an Eagle editor and so he never gets his posts pulled like Kansas.
I’d like to see the Eagle post both sets of blog rules. Just so we know.
Oh, I see. It’s not the jews themselves Ed doesn’t care for; it’s their leaders, because all jews aren’t Zionists. Just the bad ones are.
Okay, fair enough. If an argument is good for the goose, it’s good for that gander, right? Therfore, JR/Ed, you won’t mind if I just take your position and exchange the gooses: Jews for African Americans. And I’ll exchange the Zionist gander for African American leaders. Now, let me restate your position with new geese:
“Joe Bob isn’t anti-black, he just doesn’t like those negro leaders who are leading those poor black people to do what they wouldn’t otherwise do. Not all blacks are like their uppity leaders.”
Racist. Racist. Racist.
Defend away, JR. You do it well. But there’s no way to white wash or spin this that makes it look like anything other than it is. And now you’re colored by it.
You know, if the Cons ganged up on poor JR the way the Libs gang up on Kansas, we would see so much squeeling, whining, and crying from JR, the Blog Editors ear drums would be bursting!
That’s very telling for JR and Ed to now be on the same side.
I remember Capn or Clark one time threatening to take Ed out for one of Ed’s foul comments. Others on the blog joined in and supported this threat.
And Ed’s comment was horrible, though I didn’t support anyone getting beat-up (physically) over it.
Max,
It is not worth it. Dear lord it is not worth it.
Max,
Instead of “see” try “hear”.
This is not talking about people, it is an educational post. Therefore, this post does not meet the “small mind” definition provided above.
Nice gymnastics there David. A kook thinks I’m a racist.
I’ll not trouble myself much over that.
Hey Max? I don’t back down from anything. Have Nathan tell you some time of some things his dad and he accidentally or on purpose dragged me through. I did some of the same to them, though less intentionally.
Anyways I’m used to defending myself from multiple posters. “kansas” has been so many people we have lost count.
And now some of you will have to find reason other than me to post as I have other things need doing. Don’t leave me too much to clean up now.
Well Pat, I don’t hear anyone one ‘their’ side condemning JR and getting him in line.
Posted by: Max
Max I think it’s a matter of perception. The libs don’t see JR posting at the same “level” of evil as they do K*****. It may be a matter of degrees differencein their acceptable threshold for casting out posters.
It’s like the movie the exorcist, There are signs and seasons that must be met. And just like the bible sets the rules for possession and performing exorcism, they posting rules are intentionally vague so as to protect those they deem “BLEW E. NUF”.
If you are BLEW E NUF, you can get away with virtually anything.
“Ed has shown no overt racism.”
-JR at 10:10.
I’m still trying to get my jaw back in place after it dropped to the desk on this one. JR, I had often suspected you were a fool.
I see you’ve proven me right.
You’ve always implied here you are know by the company you keep, refering to “your” side. Welcome to your company.
Keep in mind that the liberals have said that GMC is one of the only posters on the right who is worth anything…
I wonder what they will think about this coming from GMC now?
“Oh, I see. It’s not the jews themselves Ed doesn’t care for; it’s their leaders, because all jews aren’t Zionists. Just the bad ones are.”
Wrong again, David.
It’s about decisions and the actions which follow.
Daily killing of Palestinians.
Violating International Law.
Violating the Geneva Conventions.
Threatening the use of Atomic weapons, which drives the price of oil to 95 dollars a barrel and 3 dollar gasoline.
David, you are making erroneous assumptions to change the subject, because if you stay on point, your accusations don’t hold water.
Funny Pat!
But I think its more like the Helen Keller story. Remember the scene in the movie when they all sit down to dinner? The teacher is the invited guest as it follows her arrival.
Anyway, Helen roams around the table,snatching food off peoples plates, spilling things, grabbing the table cloth, spitting up, and stomping her feet – while the rest of the family ignores her.They pity her, but because she is one of them, they have a hard time disciplining her.
That’s J R.
He is the deaf and dumb liberal.
Kitrell
You stupid jerk, where is your point, besides the elaborate name-calling?
JR = DDL
I like it!
Ed now defends JR.
Hmmm…..
Well Ed, I was nicer to him than you are in your anti-jew postings.Are you a skin head nazi too?
And darn it Ed, I had a point. Your name calling almost made me forget it.
My point was in response to Max on the liberals not cleaning up their own.
The thread this morning progressed from JR attacks, name calling. Someone then posted about JR doing that. Then I read yesterday AM and yesterday late evening.
All J R posts are attacks, hates, and smarty pants remarks. Most of the time about one person, but anyone who disagrees with his views. Never an original thought.
Soo, I was trying to explain, there must be a reason the liberals fail to police their own trash.
They must feel sorry for J R, don’t want to hurt his feelings, or are afraid of his wrath. That is all I can figure out.
http://kcbuzzblog.typepad.com/kcbuzzblog/2006/06/wednesdays_open_1.html
Kitrell, you see this?
JR = DDL
I like it!
Posted by: Mkey
Better than my posted attempt to explain it.
JR= DDLIt fits.
Ed, Do you remember making the post below? It was back in July.
“You Zionist inbred-bastards all hatched from the same Vulture’s nest.”
I googled “Jews” and “Friedemann” and found that statement and several other things attributed to you. I’ll not post all of them here, since I’m assuming folk can do their own homework. I also found this interesting defense of you by XXX:
“When you deal with Ed, you need to keep in mind there’s a difference between Zionists and Jews or Israelis. Ed isn’t anti-Jew, he’s anti-Zionist. We all should be a little more aware of what Zionists have cost this country and who they control.”
(I love those code words, “what Zionists have cost,” and “who they control.” Yes, we all get the code. Very nice.)
Ed, I grew up in the south. I know the shades, nuances and tones of racism. I had to live in the middle of it, and I know it inside out. I see the words you use, particularly in anger, that expose that gentile “it’s only the political movement I don’t care for” speech as being disingenuous. We all understand the loaded words, Ed. Only simpletons or likeminded people buy your disavowals of racism. Go peddle it somewhere else.
Ed, by looking at your posts, the logical conclusion that leaps of the screen is that you’re a racist. Those that defend you and your “insight” merely enable you. You and your defenders will have to try to fool someone who hasn’t been around this block.
From ARAB NEWS:
‘Thank You’ List
One argument that I have been hearing with increasing regularity and stridency these days from Zionist circles is that the Americans have an obligation to support Israel no matter what that support costs their nation. We owe it to the Israelis because we have received so many favors from them is the reasoning.
I myself can think of many things that America should thank Israel for:
• Creating enough anger with its brutality, land grabbing, and murder to cause a retaliatory attack on American soil that resulted in the loss of over 3,000 lives and 25 percent of the wealth of America, has forced us to hire 180,000 Homeland Security personal to guard against further attacks and made us live in constant fear of future attacks, with no end in sight.
• The loss of civil liberties and constitutional rights and constant delays in travel. Also the Patriot act that has created a de facto police state.
• Over $400 billion spent on attacking Israel’s enemies and the loss of life among American soldiers as a result.
• Over $13 billion spent just this year alone to support Israel’s failing economy, which has never been able to support itself. (10 billion in loans, which will never be paid back — for over 50 years, no loan has ever been repaid).
• The loss of millions of American jobs and the disruption of family life.
• Making fools out of the American people by manipulating the media so that they do not know what is actually taking place.
The thank-you list is an endless one.
Ed Friedemann • Texas , US published 14 January 2004
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=17§ion=21&d=14&m=1&y=2004&mode=dynamic&pix=interact.jpg
I saw it now Mikey.
Ed only sees one side of the picture. He doesn’t see the attacks by the PLO and later formed terror organizations on innocent men, women, and children in Israel. He must not be able to hear the bombs and missles rain down on Israel from his sweet PLO.(Call them Hamas or whatever – they are still exist and swear to the utter destruction of Israel).
And although his cry in defense of the PLO is legit, his anger and hate toward Israel clouds his mind to the fact that there are two sides to this problem.
I believe his BIGGEST frustration is that Americans don’t seem to care about the PL’s. What I think he is missing – is the majority just don’t care about EITHER side.
If we, American’s are only HEARING one side of the middle east situation, well he should be used to that.
The media only provides one side to every story. The liberal side.
Who should he really be blaming?
And now I see others are doing their own homework.
Is that you blogging from Texas, Ed? I’m ashamed! That’s where I’m from and we’ve sorta moved beyond this.
Ed’s a Regular at Arab News:
Home or abroad, we have some regular contributors. The names of Steve Corcoran, Nizam Addien B. Yagoub, S.H. Moulana, G. Gwin, Sanjay Nikam, K.H. Biyabani, P.B.V. Raajan, Muhammad Abdul Hadi, Muhammad H. Zakaria, Kelechi Ogbuehi, S.M.S. Reza, Mary Poppins (yes, that is her name), Joseph Koshi, Zafar Raja, Rashid Alhomaid, Mary Gant, Sumayya Khan (all from Saudi Arabia), Sam Baldwin, Carolyn M. Lacy, Lin Petro, Mike McDermid, Ed Friedemann, Arthur Flynn, Nancy Gee, Mahmood Kayani, Ghulam Muhammad, Otis G. Barlow (from abroad) readily spring to mind. I think the letters page is one of the few places where too many cooks add to the deliciousness of the broth.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=9§ion=0&article=62552&d=22&m=4&y=2005
Cuckoos of Many Different Muted Colors
I also found this interesting defense of you by XXX:
“When you deal with Ed, you need to keep in mind there’s a difference between Zionists and Jews or Israelis. Ed isn’t anti-Jew, he’s anti-Zionist. We all should be a little more aware of what Zionists have cost this country and who they control.”
(I love those code words, “what Zionists have cost,” and “who they control.” Yes, we all get the code. Very nice.)Posted by: David Atkins | November 13, 2007 at 11:37 AM
David, you’re kind of a stuffed shirt blowhard, arent you?
I don’t have a problem with that….I do have a problem with you accusing me of being racist.
Considering your Elitist tone, you don’t have any room to talk.
Please feel free not to answer my post. I just hate it when an efete snob talks down his nose.
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/766/letters.htm
Well, look who’s on Cairo’s AL-AHRAM web site!
Where is Homeland Security when you need it?
Maybe the WE should check the terrorists watch list.
It is very telling that the actual nazi on the blog gives Kudos to Kansas and Ed?
Ain’t it grand Rev Jim?
That compliments paid need not hold a particular ideology. :)
Ed, I just googled your name.My goodness, you have been a very busy fellow, haven’t you?The Zionists are very unhappy with you!
Regards,XXX
More than 1 million cases of chlamydia were reported in the United States last year — the most ever reported for a sexually transmitted disease, federal health officials said Tuesday.
“A new U.S. record,” said Dr. John M. Douglas Jr. of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311318,00.html
Maybe the CDC should quit wasting its time and taxpayer dollars studying Global Warming and Gun Violence?
Probably a result of the ‘promise ring’! Then when they’re tempted to have sex, they aren’t prepared!
Funny, Max.
The conclusion I would have drawn is that we need to teach people how to have sex responsibly . . . you know, like they do in Europe.
Instead, we have “abstinence only” forced down bio teachers’ throats.
No Capn, the CDC’s role is to study Global Warming and Gun Violence.
The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention has no time to spend preventing diseases.
Don’t forget, the CDC also studies dangerous dogs. They determined Pit Bulls are no worse than any other breed. The most likely dog to bite someone: the good ole “mixed breed”.
There are many Jews who do not agree with Zionism.That analogy by David would have been more to the point if it said “Ed doesn’t hate blacks he just disagrees with the black panthers.”
If you use Jew and Zionism interchangeably, then the Zionist have certainly accomplished what the set out to do. Confuse the issue so that you can not hate one without hating the other. In my example above it would by like using black panther interchangeably with blacks. Good thing they didn’t sell it as racism, although they may have tried.
Max your obstructionist bush has vetoed another bill, this one funding education, health and other social program funding. The combined cost of which are about equvalent to his little war.
Ah German’s responsible sex.
Having lived there, you can go bunch just a few blocks and find a house of prostitution. Which, I might add, encourages extra-marital sex.
One can find “street hookers” around the bigger city, all with certified ‘health cards.’
What is odd is Germany’s view on abortion. Germany is a mixed bag of morality.
From answers.com
“The Federal Constitutional Court issued a decision a year later maintaining its earlier decision that the constitution protected the fetus from the moment of conception, but stated that it is within the discretion of parliament not to punish abortion in the first trimester, providing that the woman had submitted to state-regulated counseling designed to discourage termination and “protect unborn life”. Parliament passed such a law in 1995.”
Imagine that, the Germans call the fetus “unborn life.”
“In 1975, the West German Supreme Court struck down a law legalizing abortion, holding that they contradict the constitution’s human rights guarantees. After Germany’s reunification, despite the legal status of abortion in the former East Germany, a compromise was reached which deemed most abortions illegal but does not penalize it under certain circumstances.”
I wonder if Tiller has German translators at his Clinic? :)
Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish People in the Land of Israel.
The word “Zionism” itself derived from the word “Zion” (Hebrew: ????, Tzi-yon), one of the names of Jerusalem and the Land of Israel, as mentioned in the Bible. It was coined as a term for Jewish nationalism by Austrian Jewish publisher Nathan Birnbaum, founder of the first nationalist Jewish students’ movement Kadimah, in his journal Selbstemanzipation (Self Emancipation) in 1890. (Birnbaum eventually turned against political Zionism and became the first secretary-general of the anti-Zionist Haredi movement Agudat Israel.)[8]Since the founding of the State of Israel, the term “Zionism” is generally considered to mean support for Israel as a Jewish nation state. However, a variety of different, and sometimes competing, ideologies that support Israel fit under the general category of Zionism, such as Religious Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, and Labor Zionism. Thus, the term is also sometimes used to refer specifically to the programs of these ideologies, such as efforts to encourage Jewish emigration to Israel.Certain individuals and groups have used the term “Zionism” as a pejorative to justify attacks on Jews. According to historians Walter Laqueur, Howard Sachar and Jack Fischel among others, in some cases, the label “Zionist” is also used as a euphemism for Jews in general by apologists for antisemitism.[9]Zionism should be distinguished from Territorialism which was a Jewish nationalist movement calling for a Jewish homeland, but not necessarily in Palestine. During the early history of Zionism, a number of proposals were made for settling Jews outside of Europe but these all ultimately were rejected or failed. The debate over these proposals helped define the nature and focus of the Zionist movement.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Most interesting, Rev. jim!!
I thought zionism was a term for the evil Jews who want to blow up little palestinian children.
Hmmmm….
Guess I was wrong.
Actually Zion refers to God’s chosen place for the nation of Israel, specifically the site of King Solomon’s temple.
The real Zionists, not the modern day interpretation, are associated with the belief that the second coming will culminate in its ascendancy at Zion.
Thus the hymn.
We’re marching to Zion,
beautiful, beautiful Zion;
we’re marching upward to Zion, the beautiful city of God.
http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh733.sht
I dislike bringing this here. Particularly given how it has been kicked around badly in the past.
Nevertheless, there are a few people here who would like to know I am sure. And their kind prayers and thoughts can do nothing but good.
I have news from Julie. It is not good. Her husband continues to fight hard but falls further ill.I’d post her words here but that has gotten her treated badly.She asks for prayers. They don’t have to be posted. I’m told such things are best done privately anyway. Anyways, there might be some here who would like to know.
Thanks,
Jay
PS I am DONE fighting here today. So baiting me about this will just make you look bad and serves no other purpose. I won’t play.
J R I think you were well-done here even before your last post.(Use email stupid)
I would be a supporter of Jewish territoralist belief, if they were to find a location not currently inhabited. But, just because the U.N. didn’t recognize Palestinian territory as being a state does not make it right that they could give Zionist land which they didn’t own. Just because the Britts occupied the territory, did not give them ownership anymore than our occupation of Iraq gives us legitimate ownership. Bet Ed would agree.
“James 5:14-15: “Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him.”
“But, just because the U.N. didn’t recognize Palestinian territory as being a state does not make it right that they could give Zionist land which they didn’t own.” Phantom
Which authority provides the palestinan’s sole-autonomy? What historical fact provides them bounderies which include the present Israeli borders?
Why would it stop there? The original palestine pre-dates the Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, and powerful Saudi borders.
Under your rationale, should not all those countries give up land to the palestian authorities?
And just who do you THINK made all those countries borders? Where does returning land end?
Palestine and Transjordan were incorporated (under different legal and administrative arrangements) into the Mandate for Palestine issued by the League of Nations to Great Britain on 29 September, 1923. League of Nations rules are of higher authority than the later United Nations? Might work even better for controlling the oil to have the Palestine Tranjordan borders back.
Maybe Europe should revert back to the pre-WWI Austria-Hungary? Dissolve the 8 illegal nations formed followingthat war in Europe?
And the Turks and Kurds should have their own countries as well. What about those Uyghurs? They are a Turkic-Muslim ethnicity which has been living in East Turkestan for generations. Reoccupied by the Qing Dynasty in the mid-18th century, this region had become a Chinese province named Xinjiang in 1884. They need their HOMELAND BACK TOO!
List of national border changes since World War I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_border_changes_since_the_twentieth_century
List of national border changes from 1815 to 1914
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_border_changes_from_1815_to_1914
And don’t forget to give the French back the Louisiana Purchase, Mexico it’s ceded land, and finally the American Indian THEIR lands.
Sure will hate to give up Hawaii, not just because of WWII Pearl Harbor, but I really like their Kona Coffee.
“And just who do you THINK made all those countries borders? Where does returning land end?”Apparently with the formation of Israel. The palestinians didn’t object to the massive influx of Jews before they realized what was going on, too late.
Man Dies After Getting Stuck in Girlfriend’s Cat Doorhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311198,00.html
She must have a small pu**y door.
JR–
Thanks for passing that on.
Pat–
Thanks for proving that you are an unfeeling lout.
And the bad news for Worst. President. Ever. just keeps a-rolling on:
U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy Jr. issued a temporary restraining order today against the White House, ordering its executive office to preserve all records and back-up copies of millions of missing e-mails.
“Defendants shall preserve media, no matter how described, presently in their possession or under their custody or control, that were created with the intention of preserving data in the event of its inadvertent destruction,” wrote Kennedy in a Nov. 12 opinion in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. The order was sought by the National Security Archive, a public interest library at George Washington University, and the Washington-based watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
The groups alleged in separate, but now combined, complaints, that the preservation of more than 5 million missing e-mails is vital to the preservation of history as they reveal the inner thinking of President Bush’s top aides between 2002 and 2007.
“The judge’s order shows that the loss of the e-mail records is a serious problem,” said Meredith Fuchs, general counsel at the archive. The time span of the missing e-mails covers major events such as the war in Iraq; Hurricane Katrina; the dismissal of nine U.S. attorneys and the reauthorization of the Patriot Act.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/secrecy/entries/2007/11/12/judge_slaps_white_house_with_r.html
J R,
I, for one, appreciate the news of Julie & MM, especially since I don’t know anyone’s email address to inquire.
thanks, -Wichi——
XXX,
Your past statements, which were relatively easy to find, and your current ones from today speak for themselves. I’m glad to know where you stand because it helps understand the motivation for your posts. If, in your view of things, not being an elitist means adopting your perspective, I’ll gladly remain what you term as an elitist.
I don’t think I could prove it conclusively at this point, but extrapolating from Ed’s many-sited posts, your specific defenses of his posts, and the wording that you choose in your blogging, I’m thinking you subscribe to the blame-the-United-States-first philosophy. My guess is that, Western, Judeo-Christian values in general are not things you resonate with, and therefore you interpret “our” position to be elitist. By “our” position, I’m speaking of Americans who think and believe that imperfect America indeed still offers a society superior to others. If you find that contemptable, or think that there are other contemporary societies greater than ours, then that would make you an elitist on other side. If I have to choose American elitism over some other thing you would offer, I’ll go American everytime.
Don’t bother to look up facts, just ask Kansas who once lived in Germany for awhile.
Here’s the reason that Americans get STD’s and unwanted pregnancies and Europeans don’t so much:
“The vast majority of European women of childbearing age use contraception — and Europeans are more likely than Americans to be practicing birth control.”
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2001/MostEuropeanWomenUseContraceptives.aspx
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/4/gr060407.html
Russia’s abortion rate is among the world’s highest, although it is less than half of what it was little more than a decade ago. Between then and now, while the incidence of abortion was dropping, there was no change in the legal status of abortion. Rather, as modern contraceptives became available in the early 1990s, contraceptive use among Russian women increased sharply.
COUNTRY RATE OF ABORTION per 1000
Belgium, 7
England/Wales 16
Finland 10
Germany 8
Netherlands 7
United States 23/21
Okay, it’s true our abortion rate is THREE TIMES HIGHER that of continental Europe.
But, hey, at least we’re more MORAL than the decadent Europeans . . . or something . . .
Phantom,
I guess our perspectives are bound to out themselves no matter how much we try to obscure them.
I’m thinking most people, regardless of race, would regard the Black Panthers as an eccentric group, if not a radical group, and would not consider them mainstream. And, regardless of race, no one would equate them with being the “governing” politcal organization of black Americans. “Zionists,” as Ed and others (perhaps you, too?) use the term is clearly referring to the elected, mainstream leadership of Israel, and evidently any Jewish person that supports it (which means the majority of Israel, since it is a democratic society). That would make my analogy more accurate than your substituted red herring.
There is no defense for racism, and, frankly, I’m amazed at how many have raced to defend some nuance of it here.
A very good debunking of some reasons used by skeptics of human-caused global warming.
‘Climate scepticism: The top 10′http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm
Well, isn’t that special: as I said in an earlier thread, the news is finally out.
Saddam lied about having WMD because he feared Iran would invade him if he said he didn’t have any. Big surprise: no WMD. Go get em, Bush.
CapnAmerica,Chylamydia is one of the venereal diseases that is not be prevented very well by the condoms being touted to our public schoolchildren as the way to avoid the consequences of fornication.When used correctly, condoms fail at least 3% of the time.See pagehttp://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/102261955.htmlIn a study of condom use conducted from 1996 to 1999, 17.8% of the adolescents acquired an STD despite 100% condom use.See pagehttp://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1447864So – for the promiscuous, condoms are better than nothing for disease prevention. But don’t count on dodging the consequences.
While that is true Parkay (gasp, finally you printed something true)…
Isn’t it interesting how the whole European culture with their open sexual attitudes and non fundy freaks are wealthier, healthier, and just flat out more responsible as a culture. Yet, Conservative Americans just can’t STAND European LIberalism.
It always astounds me that despite all of the evidence that liberal values are better for everyone…comparing liberal states in the US, comparing liberal nations in Europe…the neocons still insist that they know best.
And it was proven yet again when we had 8 years of Clinton (best in recent history) vs Bush (worst in recent history).
Do you really just hate America that much that you keep wanting to drive us into an Abyss? Mexico values perhaps?
>>How’s about you busy yourself going and getting an example of Ed ever posting along the lines of “wipe ‘em all out.” there fleetie? That should keep you busy.
Posted by: J R | November 13, 2007 at 08:06 AM__________
“I’m cool standing up for Ed. I’ll put his words or mine over theirs any day.
Posted by: J R | November 13, 2007 at 10:10 AM
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“Ed has shown no overt racism.”
-JR at 10:10.
I’m still trying to get my jaw back in place after it dropped to the desk on this one. … You’ve always implied here you are [known] by the company you keep, refering to “your” side. Welcome to your company.
Posted by: GMC70 | November 13, 2007 at 10:47 AM<<__________
JR asked for a posting from Ed F “along the lines” of “wipe ‘em all out.” I’m thinking these come close to it:
“Showdown at the OK Corral” { nickname for Iran }Is Israel really worth it? We could trade Israel for 1 dollar a gallon gasoline. Which would you rather have? { we know what Bush wants }
Posted by: Ed Friedemann | January 16, 2006 at 01:16 PM
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Or how about this one:
“We could trade Israel to the Iranians for a lot of cheap oil.Posted by: Ed Friedemann | January 16, 2006 at 01:50 PM
If you’re going to present yourself as a conservative media watchdog who claims to be policing accuracy in the media, it’s probably not a good idea to blatantly and dishonestly chop quotes from articles that are still readily available in Nexis and online.
Brent Bozell and Tim Graham are both top officials with a conservative media watchdog group called the “Media Research Center,” an outfit that’s devoted to ferreting out the fifth column liberal bias that has infected our media and is busily working to destroy our country from within.
Bozell and Graham have now co-authored an article for National Review calling on the media to stop lauding Hillary. One thing they hold up as proof of the media’s liberal conspiracy to promote Hillary is this:
“When it comes to Hillary Clinton, the national media have flagrantly abandoned their duty as a supposedly independent, dispassionate press. They have shamelessly served as cheerleaders for Mrs. Clinton from the moment she emerged on the national scene in 1992, with Time’s Margaret Carlson describing her as “an amalgam of Betty Crocker, Mother Teresa, and Oliver Wendell Holmes.”
Wow — did Margaret Carlson really describe Hillary in such gushing and cringe-worthy terms?
Well, no, as it turns out. No, she didn’t.
The *original* article Carlson wrote is still online. Here’s what she actually said:
“Friends of Hillary Clinton would have you believe she is an amalgam of Betty Crocker, Mother Teresa and Oliver Wendell Holmes. She gets up before dawn, even on weekends, and before her first cup of coffee discusses educational reform. She then hops into her fuel-efficient car with her perfectly behaved daughter for a day of good works.
“Fortunately, Hillary Clinton, the latest wife to be challenged to fit perfectly into the ill-defined role of political spouse, is more interesting than that.”
As you can see, Carlson was actually mocking Hillary supporters for presenting her in such glowing terms. But Bozell and Graham cheerfully told National Review’s readers that Carlson herself had presented her in these terms. Even more amusingly, they held this up as proof of the media’s liberal bias.
I know, I know, this is just garden variety wingnut mendacity. Standard fare. Low-hanging fruit. Still, it was definitely worth a quick laugh.
Since Iran is on record as wanting to drive the “infidels” into the sea, I’m assuming that “trading Israel to the Iranians” would be de facto genocide. Or in other words, “wiping them all out.”
In case anyone doubts Iran’s intent or wants further proof:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php
Iran’s military budget adds up to alost *exactly* 1% of the Pentagon’s. Just exactly are NeoCons afraid of?
Further, Jerusalem is a sacred city to Muslims, too. The likelihood of Islamists nuking their holy city begs credibility.
In the 1940s, when Palestinians thought they might win Jerusalem from the Israelis, the United Nations propsed making Jerusalem an International City. (Okay, the working model was pre-wall Berlin and post-war Vienna… and there would have been problems — different, and perhaps as bad or worse — that might have developed fromo that arrangement.) But Palestine had its chance for a 2-Nation Solution more than 50 years ago.
Even further, Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not even the most powerful person in Iran, much less the Middle East. Yes, his rhetoric matters to some degree, but about as much as Jesse Helms’ spewings mattered in the U.S. when he was a Senator.
Get a grip, NeoCons. And perspective.
MoneyHawk,
The point of the post had to do with Iran’s intent, not it’s ability. Not that you would pay much attention to me, a NeoCon, as you say, but I’m not thinking that you fully know what you’re defending here. Perhaps reading up-thread a bit would be helpful.
Condoms may occasionally fail, Parkay.
But I got news for you: people don’t get pregnant too often from one failed condom.
Facts don’t lie. Europe, 7-8 abortions per thousand. US of A, 21 abortions per thousand.
Just because you hate sex, Parkay, doesn’t mean that everybody else should rely on unhealthy repression for birth control . . .
David–
Get a life.
Just because you hate sex, Parkay, doesn’t mean that everybody else should rely on unhealthy repression for birth control . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | November 13, 2007 at 07:50 PM
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And, Capn, just because you cross dress and like whips and large groups doesn’t mean that the rest of us need to seek those sexual extremes.
Oh, I’m sorry! Did I jump to a conclusion about which I had absolutely no knowledge? I take that back. I have no idea if you prefer groups. I was just following your debate style. :-)
“David Atkins” –
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s “intent,” or “hopes,” or “dreams” are on a par of possiblity with Pat Robertson’s goals or prayers or political issues.
You choose to ignore Iran’s ability to live out its most outrageos political rhetoric.
Sorry, but those of us in the Reality-Based Community tend to not run willy-nilly in fear of stuff that’s certifiably crazy to be afraid of.
I, perhaps, may be too blithe in my underlying faith that most people — even Muslims — are basically good people who are not enclined to advocate annihilation of our sons and daughters and all humanity. But I find it preferable to living in abject fear of anyone and everyone who disagrees with me.
FDR said, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” NeoCons say, “The only thing we have is fear.”
I see, MoneyHawk, that I failed in my attempt to keep you from jumping into something without knowing what it was. My post made a connection between the intent of Ed F. and the intent of Iran’s leaders. I state again, for the second time, it had nothing to do with ability. And it has nothing to do with my rhetoric. In fact, as you may now notice below, I was pointing out someone else’s outrageous rhetoric.
And by the way, I don’t fear Iran destroying Israel in the sense that you misinterpreted. In fact, I don’t think it will ever happen because I don’t think they can.
Now, since you didn’t bother to read the point of the post before spouting a bit o’ diatribe, I’m reposting it here to make it a little easier for you to find:
>>How’s about you busy yourself going and getting an example of Ed ever posting along the lines of “wipe ‘em all out.” there fleetie? That should keep you busy.
Posted by: J R | November 13, 2007 at 08:06 AM__________
“I’m cool standing up for Ed. I’ll put his words or mine over theirs any day.
Posted by: J R | November 13, 2007 at 10:10 AM
__________
“Ed has shown no overt racism.”
-JR at 10:10.
I’m still trying to get my jaw back in place after it dropped to the desk on this one. … You’ve always implied here you are [known] by the company you keep, refering to “your” side. Welcome to your company.
Posted by: GMC70 | November 13, 2007 at 10:47 AM<<__________
JR asked for a posting from Ed F “along the lines” of “wipe ‘em all out.” I’m thinking these come close to it:
“Showdown at the OK Corral” { nickname for Iran }Is Israel really worth it? We could trade Israel for 1 dollar a gallon gasoline. Which would you rather have? { we know what Bush wants }
Posted by: Ed Friedemann | January 16, 2006 at 01:16 PM
_________
Or how about this one:
“We could trade Israel to the Iranians for a lot of cheap oil.Posted by: Ed Friedemann | January 16, 2006 at 01:50 PM
Posted by: David Atkins | November 13, 2007 at 07:06 PM
Wichi woman and others:
At the risk of giving some people more opportunity to act badly but mostly for the wishes of my friend, here is the latest from Julie. Oh by the way? Not everybody is connected by email. And folks who know Julie cross both party lines.
Still waiting on call from Infectious Disease Doctor.
Roy had a Transesophogeal Echocardiogram today. It was what I referred to as the heart sonogram earlier. It came back that the Staph had not attached to the heart valves.Dialysis went well – pulled another 12 pounds of fluid off of him.His creatin levels went from 7.4 to 7.6 – that’s only .2 which is the smallest jump we’ve had to date!!!His CPK’s (heart enzymes) went from 39,758 to 37,228 thats a drop of over 2500!!!!!His platelets increased from 129 to 187!!!These are good results!!!!!!!!! Of course I’d like for creatin to drop but I’m encouraged by the drop in CPK’s!!!!Prayers are working!!!!! Keep it up! We’ll have him home by Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Love,Julie
J R,
I, for one, appreciate the news of Julie & MM, especially since I don’t know anyone’s email address to inquire.
thanks, -Wichi-
Posted by: WichiWomn | November 13, 2007 at 03:04 PM
WichiWomn:comnsens2003@yahoo.com
(Hoo boy, am I gonna get spam! :-)
I’d have done that Rage but I don’t have any email addies to spare just now. And there is no shortage of folks I’d rather not hear from.
Understood, JR. This has always been my public address, so no big deal.
Has anyone bothered to look up Ed Friedemann Texas and arrest record yet? Case is not closed, but it is a matter of public record.
Looks like the investigation into wiretapping has been re-opened.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071113/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/domestic_spying
No, I did write that. I see now where I had access to paste Martyr from the first post on that thread.
The word ” Martyr ” worries me, as it could trigger a “Manchurian Candidate ” reaction in someone.
We have committed so many war crimes against those people that we should take pause.
Please those of you in mourning, consider those not as strong as you to stand and read about the illness of your friend.
Please consider those not associated with your gang of Wichita and having to endure your crys for help.
Take it to the email!
Don’t worry. I’ll be just fine! I really need more bananas. So keep us in your banana tree and keep those peels coming!
It’s just hemroids and gas.
I just wanted to update you all on our common friend (some of you know him).
He is still breathing. Played cards with him today. He won both hands.
THe bedpan was extemely nasty today. Big stinker.
But don’t feel sorry for them. They are still posting angry and illogical posts on this blog. So they can still call people names.
You should just smile and let them know how GREAT their posts are (even if they make no sense).
Just an update on our ghostly white skin looking friend.
I don’t think I could prove it conclusively at this point, but extrapolating from Ed’s many-sited posts, your specific defenses of his posts, and the wording that you choose in your blogging, I’m thinking you subscribe to the blame-the-United-States-first philosophy.Posted by: David Atkins | November 13, 2007 at 03:07 PM
Wrong as usual, Dave. And just the kind of post I’d expect from an elitist effete gasbag snob.
Don’t you get tired from all of that jumping to false conclusions?
David
You keep trying to fool some pretty smart people and you hurt your cause by attacking them.
Make your case for whatever you believe in and let the judgement of that stand by itself.