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‘Top 5 Climate “Skeptic” Red Herrings’http://www.desmogblog.com/top-5-climate-skeptic-red-herrings
“red herringn.A smoked herring having a reddish color.Something that draws attention away from the central issue.Whether it’s in on a right-wing blog, an online forum or at a family dinner, we’ve all heard an array of lame arguments against the realities of human-induced climate change.
Here’s the top 5 red herrings:”
See the link for the rest.
PS Please try to get of all your flames, insults, calling me a “jerk”, etc, posted BEFORE the WE Blog ends this thread with, “The comments to this entry are closed.”
Thank you. :)
Myths, Lies and Deceptions of Climate Change Prat 1: The Arctic
http://glowarmers.blogspot.com/2007/11/myths-lies-and-deceptions-of-climate.html
“Many have pointed to Greenland as evidence of human’s influence in changing the climate. Everyone from Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-California) to Al Gore have claimed, “The evidence is clear.” Human emissions of greenhouse gasses “are causing Greenland to warm at an unprecedented rate.”
A recent study conducted by B. M. Vinther, K. K. Andersen, P. D. Jones, K. R. Briffa2 and J. Cappelen of the Climate Research Unit in the UK and published in Journal of Geophysical Research (1) shows Greenland has not warmed. In fact Greenland is 1.3 degrees Celsius cooler then it was durring the 1930’s, 1940’s and much of the 1950’s.”
“Dr. Mitch Taylor, biologist for the Department of Environment in Canada, says that Polar Bear populations are increasing. In a media release from May of 2006 (5) Dr. Taylor seems rather dismayed by the misinformation being spread about the Polar Bear population. He said “This complexity is why so many people find the truth less entertaining than a good story. It is entirely appropriate to be concerned about climate change, but it is just silly to predict the demise of polar bears in 25 years based on media-assisted hysteria.””
Just another one study disproving the so-believed wisdom of “abstinence-only” sex-ed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071107/ap_on_re_us/teen_sex;_ylt=AuTqJ5k_fBgziI4NjUYKqDas0NUE
Report: Abstinence not curbing teen sex
By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON – Programs that focus exclusively on abstinence have not been shown to affect teenager sexual behavior, although they are eligible for tens of millions of dollars in federal grants, according to a study released by a nonpartisan group that seeks to reduce teen pregnancies.
“At present there does not exist any strong evidence that any abstinence program delays the initiation of sex, hastens the return to abstinence or reduces the number of sexual partners” among teenagers, the study concluded.
The report, which was based on a review of research into teenager sexual behavior, was being released Wednesday by the nonpartisan National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy.
The study found that while abstinence-only efforts appear to have little positive impact, more comprehensive sex education programs were having “positive outcomes” including teenagers “delaying the initiation of sex, reducing the frequency of sex, reducing the number of sexual partners and increasing condom or contraceptive use.”
I have just read up on some bad news on http://www.ksn.com/news/local/11063111.htmlThey are saying that the price of gas could be as high as $4.00 per a gallon by next spring.
As for $4+ gas prices, I just wonder how much of it is caused by the weakening of the US$, and how much of it is due to the real demand. A while ago I saw a small article comparing the price of fuel in $ and €, and noticed how little the price spike was in Europe. Granted, they already are paying $7-$8/gallon. I guess what is needed is some lifestyle adjustment, and perhaps some courageous leaders to promote energy conservation, and — “GASP” — socialization of transportation, such as using buses, or bikes, or carpooling, or even walking, instead of solo driving the gas-guzzlers to go pick up the mail.
$4 + gas pricesI wonder how much this is going to effect Christmas shopping coming up and the price of natural gas to heat homes.
Christmas shopping? I guess it’s now, “Bye, bye, Black Friday!”
In the words of the Great Tom Lehrer:”Hark the herald tribune sings,Advertising wondrous things.God rest ye merry, merchants,May you make the yuletide pay.Angels we have heard on highTell us to go out and buy!”
>>WASHINGTON – Programs that focus exclusively on abstinence have not been shown to affect teenager sexual behavior although they are eligible for tens of millions of dollars in federal grants……
Government trying to control teenage hormones, funny. And a waste of tax dollars.
RE: Creep >>
Good Grief — another new stealth “Nic” arrives on the Blog, and this one cant even spell english, let alone make sense!
Chas, do you know why Open thread was shut down yesterday?
The gas prices are not as bad as the seem. The reason for the prices is not because of any shortages or high demand but a result of the sinking value of the US dollar in relation to other world currencies. The US dollar is the “world currency” and as such oil is only sold in US dollars. You cannot buy oil with Euros or Canadian dollars. As the value of the US dollar declines, the oil markets raise prices to make up the shortfall. While it cost more to gas up, the declining dollar is good for the USA because it makes our exports cheaper and allows us to compete in the global economy.
No Dude, I dont… You??
the declining dollar is good for the USA because it makes our exports cheaper and allows us to compete in the global economy.
And makes your savings worthless.
The fall of the dollar is a direct result of the Bush administration’s irresponsible borrow and spend fiscal policies. It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. When the dollar falls, we’ll have republicans and their misguided leadership to thank for turning America into a third-world country.Our never-ending war in Iraq will do to us what Afghanistan did to the USSR.
Faced with higher recruiting goals, the Pentagon is quietly looking for ways to make it easier for people with minor criminal records to join the military, The Associated Press has learned.http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/220226.html
I find this disturbing. 3 in 10 recruits have to get a wavier to join the military?
“Some recruits must get more than one waiver to cover things ranging from any criminal record, to health problems such as asthma or flat feet, to low aptitude scores”
This would seem to abrogate some of the goals of an all volunteer army. How can this situation be better than the Draft?
If the military wants to relax the requirements, maybe they should raise the age limit some more, say to 55 or so. That would give a lot of the chickenhawks an opportunity to be a part of the war they’re so enamored of.
Bull on the reason gas prices are rising. They raise the price for any ole reason-not even good ones.
The oil companies know their gravy train is coming to an end because when the Bush admin gets out of office, we’re going to find out what they’ve really been doing to us. Enron will seem like small potatoes.
Democrats wrested control of the Senate from the Republicans in yesterday’s legislative elections, picking up the four seats they needed to give them a majority of at least 21 to 19 and end a decade of GOP dominance in the chamber.
Democrats Seize Control of Virginia Senate
Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) claimed victory in a celebration at Tysons Corner. The Republicans retained control of the House, but the Democrats also gained seats there. The party’s surge will help the governor advance much of his agenda during his last two years in office, including investing more in education, health and the environment.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110700553.html
Interesting trend here as Democrats take more control from republicans. Are Americans finally fed up with republican policies that pander to the ultra wealthy and greedy corporations?
2008 elections may be a watershed event for America as the GOP is sent back to the wilderness for ignoring the social needs of the American people.
Ahh yes..and things really changed when the Democrats took control of Congress..right? Just as many “free” air trips as before, just as many days off as before, and the public approval rating is as low if not lower than it was before.
Business as usual, regardless of the party in charge.
We are all waiting, it seems, for the next recession. Everyone knows that the business cycle hasn’t been repealed, and so another recession is inevitable. Some indicators suggest that it might be sooner rather than later. The Conference Board’s consumer confidence index has declined for three straight months. In March, 30 percent of respondents said jobs are “plentiful”; now that’s only 24 percent. All this inspires much foreboding, because a recession is widely regarded as a calamity or something close to it.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/06/AR2007110601807.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
The question is, will the current administration be able to stall the onset of recession until after the upcoming elections? If a recession starts before the elections, republicans are toast. If a recession starts 3 months after a Democratic administration takes over, will it be blamed on Bush? Like the recession that started after Bush took office?
Minimum wage went up for the first time in a dog’s age there Taz.
It’s small yeah but a start.
When the dems take more full control in 2008, we will see even further progress.
Let’s disseminate the use of “draft-dodging warmongers”. This is a true label. It has more power than “chickenhawks”.
Ahh yes..and things really changed when the Democrats took control of Congress..right?Posted by: taz | November 07, 2007 at 07:23 AM
While Democrats hold the thinnest majority in Congress, it could hardly be called control. Without a 60 vote majority in the senate, Democrats are victim to the usual republican tactics of stalling and interference. While it may not be the best choice, Americans only have 2 choices in politics. Republicans have had their chance and they’ve failed miserably. Time to throw out the party that has given us nothing but grief and give the Democrats real control.
With gas getting as high as it is, I’m glad that I’m already to poor to even own a car… can anybody say Flying Superpower!
In Kentucky, Democrat Unseats 1st GOP Governor In Over 30 Years
Steve Beshear, a former lieutenant governor attempting a political comeback after 20 years out of office, unseated Kentucky Gov. Ernie Fletcher yesterday.
With 86 percent of precincts reporting, Beshear (D) had 59 percent of the vote to while Fletcher had 41 percent.
Fletcher, Kentucky’s first Republican governor in more than 30 years, spent much of his tenure battling accusations that he directed the hiring of political allies for jobs protected by the state’s merit system. Beshear reminded voters of those accusations at every opportunity.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/06/AR2007110601857.html?hpid=sec-politics
Another one bites the dust. It must suck to be a republican nowadays.
The inspector general of the Department of Education has said he will examine whether federal money was inappropriately used by three states to buy educational products from a company owned by Neil Bush, the president’s brother.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/washington/07neil.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Well isn’t this cozy? But I’m sure it’s only a coincidence. Surely this administration wouldn’t stoop to cronyism.
From a speech that Bush could have made (authored by Maureen Dowd):
“The leaders of governments with long habits of control need to know: To serve your people you must learn to mistrust them. Stop your journey of progress and justice, and America will not only walk at your side, we’ll give you billions of dollars and lots of big-ticket stuff, like F-16s — no strings attached. And we’ll take you at your word that you have no intention of using them against India.
“In the long run, there is justice without freedom, and there can be human rights once the human rights activists have been thrown in the pokey.
“Three years ago, I believed that the most important question history would ask us was: Did our generation advance the cause of freedom?
“But now I am older and wiser. I know that the most important question history will ask us is: What’s a little martial law between friends?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/opinion/07dowd.html?em&ex=1194584400&en=0c3da3f22fe71138&ei=5087
If you can, watch the local northwest sky around noon today.
You MAY get to see the re-entry of the space shuttle which is coming home today.
Steven,Isn’t it sad how we seem to be on the side of the bad guys? What ever happened to the idea of exporting Democracy?
I have a bad feeling that Bush is watching the situation in Pakistan very closely, for all the wrong reasons.
He’s probably picking up some pointers.
XXX,
No kidding. Say you’re going after radicals, and instead go after the professional class.
Can’t happen here, can’t happen here, can’t happen here, can’t happen here…
I came up with a word, “Humanimals”. It’s already been dreamed up, but my definition is, Humans who are treated like animals.
Suppose you have beasts of burden, like wagon-drawing horses or oxen. You train them to do work that you want them to. You don’t want to drive them to death, but you don’t want them to get fat either. You definitely don’t want them to somehow figure out they’d be happier grazing on grass and living in freedom like their distant ancestors. These are domesticated animals.
What are humanimals? Human beings who are under the will of other human beings. They work for somebody else. They follow orders to avoid punishment. They get a level of sustenance that discourages them from seeking freedom.
Anthropologists in the 20th century had a field day examining “primitive” societies. They discovered many things. Such as the non-existence of leaders who amassed 100 times as much material wealth, let alone 1000 times, or 1,000,000 times, as much as the average societal member.
This is an “advanced-civilization” precept. All “advanced civilizations” in history have perished. They have been based on a minority of Homo sapiens being “human beings”, and a majority being “humanimals”. So, for example “human beings” don’t marry “humanimals”. Human beings can ignore laws and prosper. Humanimals who ignore laws go to prison.
What’s illegal immigration about? Human beings seeking to employ hunamimals.
Why are we seeing industrial migration to China? Because the humanimals here want to be accorded human being rights, but in China, humanimals who don’t seek these rights are plentious.
“What’s illegal immigration about? Human beings seeking to employ hunamimals.”
You have that backward.
CF2K,no kidding…
A couple of years ago, I read some conspiracy theories about what pretext could be used to declare martial law and suspend the constitution. I rejected it as nonsense, but now I’m not so sure.
The fall of the dollar is a direct result of the Bush administration’s irresponsible borrow and spend fiscal policies. It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Posted by: XXX
Oh please Triple X, don’t be so overly dramatic. The national debt was in the trillions before Bushy took office. Our republican and democrat leaders have all been enjoying passing spending bills which exceed revenue for decades.
The eyes came open on the trade deficit with oil under Jimmy Carter and the embargo’s. As oil prices increased, the curve shows the balance of trade dollars going out to trade dollars coming in climbing with imports forever exceeding exports from that time forward.
“WE” became a consumer nation. “WE” demand all the good things in life. “WE” our nations leaders further that dream by spending more money than they take in. “WE” have the largest credit card debt per citizen in the history of American. “WE” on average, would take 15 years to pay off the average debt – if “WE” didn’t spend another dime.”WE” promoted NAFTA and now the latest “NAFTA HIGHWAY”.
Both parties sucker us on this. They play us against each other, so that we rant and rave – blaming the OTHER guy.
But the truth is: America is in trouble because we all want it now. We all are greedy. We all want the good life.
You can’t look at 8 years and point at it and say: Yep that’s the root of the problem.
If you do, the problem will never go away.
Maybe Ron Paul, or someone like him is well overdue. I don’t care WHICH party he comes from.
Sky still falling . . . .
Bet’s still up there, CF, XXX.
Is this a real belief, or hysterical partisan nonsense? Duh. That’s an easy call. It’s hysterical partisan nonsense.
Put up or shut up.
You lack of put up tells it all.
$98 and rising …
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071107/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices;_ylt=AqGoSRtkM4vOzpH9T2t4HHms0NUE
$100 by Thanksgiving? If that’s something to be thankful for?
Oh please Triple X, don’t be so overly dramatic. The national debt was in the trillions before Bushy took office.
You can’t look at 8 years and point at it and say: Yep that’s the root of the problem.Posted by: American Way | November 07, 2007 at 08:25 AM
Wrong again, Amway. When Bush took office, we were running a budget surplus, which Bush managed to burn through in his first year in office. In 2000, Clinton’s last year, the surplus amounted to $236 billion. The forecast ten year surplus stood at $5.6 trillion. George W. Bush immediately reversed Clinton’s policy in order to revive Reagan’s, once again showering an embarrassment of riches on the already most embarrassingly rich, his “base” as he calls them. He ladled out some $630 billion in tax cuts to the top 1% of income earners. In true Republican fashion, they returned the favor by investing over $200 million to ensure Bush’s re-election. Do the math. A $630 billion return on a $200 million investment.Bush and his republican cronies have presided over one of the largest debt increases in the history.
(excerpts from various websites)
With gas getting as high as it is, I’m glad that I’m already to poor to even own a car… can anybody say Flying Superpower!
Posted by: awinters | November 07, 2007 at 07:51 AM
Maybe if you turned off your cable service you could afford a car payment. Did you see this?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/mukasey-vote-wa.html#comment-89009964
Folks do not generally wager on the fruition of things they’d rather not see happen there GMC.
It doesn’t make their concerns shrill or invalid.
MPS:
That’s like a page out of “Time Machine” with Eloi vs. Morlocks! Is the Biblical Armageddon here yet?
Triple X, I will grant you the Clinton surplus. But we had debt waay before Clinton didn’t inhale and approved record tax increases.
It is obvious you hate Bush. He is not my hero either (J R is).But I hope you do not let that hatred cloud your vision.
Look at just this year deficit spending:
fter years of historic deficits, this new Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending. Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.
–Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), January 4, 2007.[9]
Fact: The House has already waived its PAYGO rules, and Congress has voted to increase entitlement spending by $179 billion. Offset by the $98 billion in tax increases, these policies would increase the budget deficit by nearly $81 billion.
Runaway entitlement spending represents the most perilous part of the federal budget. Entitlement programs, which automatically grow without limits or oversight, constitute more than 60 percent of the federal budget. Large entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are growing between 7 percent and 12 percent annually. Unless they are reined in, entitlements will eventually consume the entire federal budget or force European-sized tax increases.
In recent years, members of the current Democratic congressional majority regularly derided runaway spending and called for “fiscal discipline” and “substantial curbs, if not cuts, in spending.”[10] They campaigned in 2006 on PAYGO budgeting that would require fully offsetting all new entitlement increases with entitlement cuts or tax increases.[11] They have not held to that standard. Earlier this year, Congress actually voted to ignore PAYGO altogether when allocating new entitlement money to a bill that wouldprovide for congressional representation of Washington, D.C.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg2081.cfm
It is obvious you hate Bush. He is not my hero either (J R is).
Why THANK you!
I was just putting on my cape to go out for the day. Thanks for the pick me up.
Up up…and awaaaay!
Here’s yet ANOTHER example of the Bush administration’s UTTER CONTEMPT for the Bill of Rights. They have a court case with a fairly narrow issue, involving a subpoena of emails. They could have stuck with that narrow issue. They didn’t.
“ This appears to be more than a mere argument in support of the constitutionality of a Congressional e-mail privacy and access scheme. It represents what may be the fundamental governmental position on Constitutional e-mail and electronic privacy — that there isn’t any. ”
“What is important in this case is not the ultimate resolution of that narrow issue, but the position that the United States government is taking on the entire issue of electronic privacy. That position, if accepted, may mean that the government can read anybody’s e-mail at any time without a warrant.”
More here:http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/456
And just a brief reminder:”Decisions of this court applying the principle of the Boyd Case have settled these things. Unjustified search and seizure violates the Fourth Amendment, whatever the character of the paper;4 whether the paper when taken by the federal officers was in the home,5 in an office,6 or elsewhere;7 whether the taking was effected by force,8 by fraud,9 or in the orderly process of a court’s procedure. [Footnote 10]”
http://supreme.justia.com/us/277/438/
Triple X, I’m trying to be nonpartisan on the national debt issue (which admittedly is difficult). But the reason is because I once blamed one party for spending us into debt.
The first link shows the national debt since 1938 (enlarge it). It would support democrats in stating that the national debt increased LESS when they were in power. However, it also reveals that despite the “surplus” Clinton took the national debt from 4 trillion to 6 trillion during HIS term. My point: We were in trouble way before Bush. Bush did us no favors on debt, as the chart clearly shows. (I can argue 911/war, but it misses the point, and ends discussion). ALL OUR LEADERS HAVE BEEN SPENDING MORE THAN THEY TAKE IN.
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.png
The second link blows up the Bush debt – by federal APPROPRIATION/PROGRAM.
It also provides the opinion that the tax cut is NOT the REASON for the debt: AND NOT THE SOLUTION:
http://www.federalbudget.com/
Great links at the bottom of the later link to debt and concerned taxpayer websites (these used to be the domain of conservatives, but alas, they broke the faith when they gained power).
I am pushing the point that the two political parties WANT you to blame the other party.
I fervently hope that if citizens from both parties can see through this, maybe we can come together for change.
This link has a pie chart that shows the Federal spending on Interest to service the national debt was nearly as high as the 2006 Federal expendures on “Health”.
http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=158&gclid=CLa-xc2Dy48CFQKkIgodY32YxQ
This from the site above:
“Between 2000 and 2006, there has been a 70% increase in military spending, while spending on debt payments, veterans benefits, housing assistance, the environment and job training have been cut.”
Mission Accomplished…
Triple X, I will grant you the Clinton surplus. But we had debt waay before Clinton didn’t inhale and approved record tax increases.Posted by: American Way | November 07, 2007 at 09:09 AM
Amway,Indeed there was debt before Clinton. We have the Reagan years to thank for a lot of that. The point is, under the Clinton administration we started to reverse the debt spiral. Too bad Bush couldn’t have continued that trend. But of course after 9/11, we have an elective war to fight.That adds over $100 billion a year to the problem. And let’s not even go into the $150 billion a year congress is stealing from the Social Security fund (note I didn’t attach a party affiliation to that).
So Amway, do you contend that debt isn’t a problem? Do you really believe that somehow, we’ll grow our way out of this mess? How will the debt ever be paid without raising taxes? Is fighting Bush’s Boutique war more important than social programs?
The falling dollar is a direct result of current deficit spending. We didn’t have this problem under Clinton.
When we keep printing money that isn’t backed by anything, the dollar falls and prices rise.
So Amway, do you contend that debt isn’t a problem? Do you really believe that somehow, we’ll grow our way out of this mess? How will the debt ever be paid without raising taxes? Is fighting Bush’s Boutique war more important than social programs?
Short Answer (smiling):
No.No. Leading question. Argumentative.
Long Answer.
Debt is a problem! I felt that way in 1970!!
No way we will grow out of this mess.
How will the debt ever be paid without cutting spending which must include social programs (corporate/individual)?
War is a necessary cost for any nation. The charts reflect that historically. Where we get into trouble is trying to mix apples and oranges. War costs are short lived, but the costs take decades to pay off. Social programs never end and are never paid off and become a permanent drain on the working class.
A compromise would be to cut unnecessary spending (reevaluate what is a federal government responsible for), and increases in taxes for all Americans.
But my experience has been that the budget “big picture” always gets lost or overlooked when we are considering “nice to have” little issues. Earmarks for example.
JR
“It doesn’t make their concerns shrill or invalid.”
Their “concerns” are exactly that. Shrill, invalid, partisan nonsense. I know it, CF knows it, I suspect XXX knows it. While I often disagree with CF (fundamentally) he’s not a tin-foil lunatic.
They continue to trot it out, however. It’s the big lie theory; if you say it often enough, people may begin to believe it.
You, however, have a demonstrated tendancy for tin-foil silliness from time to time; you may actually buy this balony.
The lack of willingness to put up simply illustrates the point.
Alright Kansas is back!
Stick around Kansas, you know you love how the Libs hate your conservative posts here!
No, I’m not back.
I will not be under constant threat by these identity thieves who posted my data online here.
And the only thing that Wichita Eagle did was delete the posts.
They’ve no doubt shared the data between themselves by now, so no point in returning.
Last night a car drove by very slowly a couple of times.
Today, I have two flat tires.
No, I’m not coming back.
Kansas, you missed the big celebration they had last night after you left (not!).
If you leave, they will think they won.
Don’t blame you for leaving though. You’ve taken a lot of grief from these social rejectswho claim to represent the “compassionate” party.
I kept score though.Kansas 1000/Libs 10 crying wins
Last night a car drove by very slowly a couple of times.
Today, I have two flat tires.
No, I’m not coming back.
Posted by: Kansas
Kansas: Call the police. Tell them EVERYTHING. Once you do, provide the Eagle with a copy of the police report (there is a number assigned).
They will know what that report represents for liability.
Minimum wage went up for the first time in a dog’s age there Taz.
Posted by: J R | November 07, 2007 at 07:30 AM
Yeah JR, glad you got a raise. Now when you learn how to Copy and Paste, you might get another raise.
Then you can save the world.
What these Libs don’t understand is that releasing my private data online has left me open to almost anything. This morning it was two flat tires. Last night it was three phones calls and hang ups.
They have put me in a precarious position because of their recklessness and childish behavior.
They are not the only ones who read this blog and I’m not saying it was them. But they are the cause of my expense and misery now.
This is what happens when you let yahoos like the Libs on the blog get away with stuff like this.
I’ll be sitting in the tire store now. Let’s see, that’s 250 bucks for tires and another 80 for towing. Oh, the tires were slashed.
Thanks a lot Libs.
No thanks American Way, I want the Eagle out of my life, they failed and I caution anyone on this blog to be careful.
Evidently we have not only the Libs, but some real criminals watching this blog.
I’m gone and thanks for the misery Libs – hope you realized what you’ve done.
Dang Kansas, sounds like you have a legal case there. Cops would love to research Internet records to find the culprit(s).
Good thing there’s a 2nd Amendment.
Lock and Load!
Kansas, sounds like some terrorists are targeting you.
May be something Homeland Security would be interested in investigating.
Stay safe.
President in exile, Al Gore on the Bush Administration (a Rolling Stone interview):
Rolling Stone: If you were a historian, how would you describe the Bush administration from that point of view?
Gore: They have done so much damage to the spirit of America, to the worldwide reputation of America, to the morale of our people, to the core belief that we’re capable of managing our fears without sacrificing our freedom. But nobody’s going to be surprised to hear me give a thumbs-down rating to Bush and Cheney.
RS: What’s the worst damage they’ve done, other than the climate crisis?
Gore: They have promoted the idea that freedom and security are mutually exclusive, that you can have one only to the extent that you’ve sacrificed the other. That is an un-American idea. When our founders framed the Constitution, they understood the reality of war. When the Declaration of Independence was written, it was written by Americans who were in danger of being hung. They had reason to fear for their very lives, every single one of them, but they insisted on the protection of habeas corpus and freedom of speech and freedom of the press and freedom of assembly and freedom of religion, and the separation of self-government from the establishment of a religious dogma as an official set of beliefs. They had real courage that bridged their devotion to freedom and their need for security.
But instead of courage, this administration has used fear to undermine the system of checks and balances and the carefully balanced relationship between separate branches of government and the principle that all of the operations of our self-government should be accountable to the people. The arrogance and unaccountability of absolute power is corrupting, and our founders knew that so well. They embodied in our nation a universal principle derived from a millennium and a half of history, from Athens to Rome through the Enlightenment to the American Revolution. But all of that has been blithely ignored by this administration because of their lust for power.
http://www.rollingstoneextras.com/rsdigitaledition/editionLg.php
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm
interest payments on federal debt
2007 $429,977,998,108.202006 $405,872,109,315.832005 $352,350,252,507.902004 $321,566,323,971.292003 $318,148,529,151.512002 $332,536,958,599.422001 $359,507,635,242.412000 $361,997,734,302.361999 $353,511,471,722.871998 $363,823,722,920.261997 $355,795,834,214.661996 $343,955,076,695.151995 $332,413,555,030.62
Kansas JR and JM had their hats handed to them last night. We on the right are tired of their bully attacks on others while whining to the editors.
Sorry for your problems. What JM doesn’t realized is that the nuts on the radical left are just a shade this side of crazy and capable of anything.
We’ll fight the good fight for the right and also for you.
http://www.rollingstoneextras.com/rsdigitaledition/editionLg.php
Posted by: JM | November 07, 2007 at 10:44 AM
Yep JM I have always depended on the Rolling Stone as a news source. Why don’t you balance that out with something radically right and you might have a truth you can pass on.
Goofnut you couldn’t hand me your A** with both hands and a forklift.
Just a reminder, we may be treated to a rare view of the shuttle on re-entry.
Watch the northwestern sky between 11:45 and noon
JM When Algore lost the election because the people that knew him best rejected him he had to find a job. Knowing there is a sucker born every 60 seconds he birthed the GW Conspiracy. History will prove him a nut case after we are all gone to our eternal reward.
This sounds to me like another way for Kansas to make the Open Thread all about him all the time.Posted by: JM November 07, 2007 at 10:40 AM
So, pray tell, Kansas.
(Get ready for the mother of all labored hypotheses . . .)Posted by: JM | November 07, 2007 at 10:55 AM
Get ready for JM to post about Kansas ALL DAY.
At 1040 you said to walk on by, and 15 minutes later you are posting back to him.
JM you are so stupid, how do you ever manage to get orders right at McDonalds?
Next JM will be talking about stopping to talk about stopping to talk about Kansas.
And BTW, the stupid people don’t work at McDonalds.
The stupid people EAT at McDonalds.
Well, I’m off for a busy day of doing everything I can to destroy the Bush administration and everything it stands for: corporate greed, crony-capitalism, socialism for the rich, war without end.
Keep looking up.
Pitty Pat = tippy = amway = max
yawn
Then who is working at McDonalds?Illegal immigrants?
Hmmm . . . my posts are getting pulled.
Okay, fair enough. I wanted the editors to do more monitoring and it looks like they are.
JM, I try to ignore you. Although I have been hopeful of late that you might really save the world. I mean, your spelling and grammar have improved significantly (I give you gold star).
But don’t make claims you cannot substantiate.
Particularly, since you have posted that JM is a consortium of regulars trying to make some point here (to Kansas of all people).
You are the Mother of all Trolls JM/JR.
Work? I don’t work! I’m entitled. I sit and post. Republicans work, because…. well, because I suppose someone has to work so I don’t have to. I tried working once… and then twice. And then a few more times. It just didn’t fit my style. Expressing my self seems more my style and you all must afford me the chance to do it. Cuz I’m entitled. But not everybody is.
And another thing. I can’t wait til we elect Hillary so I can get more stuff I’m entitled to, like…………
For those of us in NE Kansas – it should be quite a show:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html
And so with the “November 07, 2007 at 10:11 AM” post, this thread just went South. Up till that point, the discussion was pretty much honest and open. And then along comes the obnoxious one and we’re back to the same old, same old.
Amway, I want to thank you for what was starting to be an enjoyable discussion. You have some excellent points. I wish we could have pursued this further. No sense in even trying, now that the bomb-throwers have shown up.
Maybe some other time, my friend.
I totally agree that ks should report any real vandalism to the police. ASAP.
WASHINGTON (AP) – Barack Obama said Tuesday that former President Clinton is making a leap to compare treatment of his wife in the presidential race to the “swift boat” criticism of John Kerry in 2004.
Interesting… It appears the dems are now attacking each other. Makes life easier for the right. We can just set back and let the left do us work for us.
That sounds like what the left does in thinking that the right should pay all of the taxes and they should reap the benefits.
Anyone want to make bets on what time the Open Thread gets shut down today?
Nathan,
You should learn the difference between a region being warmed by the North Atlantic Oscillation, and global warming.
‘Ratio of the Greenland to global temperature change: Comparison of observations and climate modeling results’http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2005/2005GL023552.shtml
“… Using this region as an indicator of Greenland’s temperature change that is related to global warming, we find that the ratio of the Greenland to global temperature change due to global warming is 2.2 in broad AGREEMENT with GCM predictions.”
Also interesting,’Shrinking ice means Greenland is rising fast’http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn12872-shrinking-ice-means-greenland-is-rising-fast.html“Greenland appears to be floating upwards – its landmass is rising up to 4 centimetres each year, scientists reveal.
And the large country’s new-found buoyancy is a symptom of Greenland’s shrinking ice cap, they add.”
Isostatic rebound – an interseting phenomenon. There have been a lot of minor quakes in the Great Lakes, Scandenavia and other areas resulting from that. In the opposite direction they are concerned about likely quakes in the Three Gorges area as it fill with water and presses downward.
Something that I have read about in parts of Greenland that is more ominous is a sort of bulging caused by liquid water at the bottom of a sheet (draining down from above through crevasses)
“Knowing there is a sucker born every 60 seconds he birthed the GW Conspiracy. History will prove him a nut case after we are all gone to our eternal reward.”
Posted by: ^^ | November 07, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Actually, Gore has been interested in global warming since the late 1960’s.
And the climate change idea was “birthed” way back in the 1800’s, by Joseph Fourier, Tyndall, Arrhenius, and Chamberlin.
‘The Discovery of Global Warming’http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
XXX,
It will probably be shut down as soon as the libs start their typical crap.
You know, the crap that you agree with.
So who is your next target?
Who will you try to run off next?
Yes Cosmos he did get on that bandwagon with his first 10 years doom and gloom prediction.
When that didn’t pan out he had to do something to revitalize the movement. Thus we got “An Inconvenient Truth” book and movie. Credible scientists have debunked these as having exaggerations and down right untruths of facts.
By your own admission the movement started back in the 1800s. Where then is the supporting data that shows any significant movement of the dramatic nature that Algore suggests.
GW may have some credibility but I don’t know with certainty that man caused it or can stop it. Something as simple as cyclical climate change could be happening.
I do know that if Algore and his ilk have their ways only the very rich like Al will be able to travel, heat their homes, etc… Industry in the US will be mandated right out of existence. Not able to compete in a world where other countries (China) are allow to pollute at will and undersell our products.
Oh no —- another ground hog day on the blog —-
Hey there’s a new publisher why don’t y’all write to her and tell her how to run the blog / newspaper / city / county / state / War on Terror / her life …..
Nathan when you think about it, isn’t this what the far left is trying to do with the fairness doctrine. If you can shut-up the opposition then you can say anything and nobody will be able to refute it. Look at what Chavez is doing in his country. How about other countries where public tv has been shut down?
It is a scary picture of what will happen if the far left ever really get command of our great country.
Interesting… It appears the dems are now attacking each other. Makes life easier for the right. We can just set back and let the left do us work for us.
Posted by: ^^
It is called debate, and it’s high time EACH party start talking about the differences between their own candidates.
And “we” cannot afford to ’sit’ back while the healthy debate has begun on one side.
I’m still waiting for a leader on the other side. At least the democrats have a few nationally recognized names to pick from.
That’s what all this is about. Get a name, tag it, promote it.Republicans don’t have one yet.
It’s not a fight. It’s what makes America great!!!!!!!
A climatologist’s review of “Inconvenient Truth”:
“The science of An Inconvenient TruthThe science presented is mostly good, and at times compelling”
http://www.wunderground.com/education/gore.asp
The only real shortcoming Dr. Masters suggested is that the link between climate change and number of extreme weather events. The jury is still out on that question.
“Other scienceGore presents many other important aspects of climate change, including the threat of abrupt climate change leading to a shut-off of the Gulf Stream current, the increase in damaging insect infestations and tropical diseases, loss of coral reefs, loss of ice in the polar ice cap, and melting of permafrost in the Arctic. All of these issues were presented with sound science.”
Hardly debunked ^^
So who is your next target?
Who will you try to run off next?
Posted by: Nathan | November 07, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Nathan,Who stepped on your chain today? Who have I run off the blog?
Re Polar Bears,
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/special/polar%5Fbears/
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/special/polar_bears/docs/executive_summary.pdf
“The overall conclusion of the USGS research effort is:
Projected changes in future sea ice conditions, if realized, will result in loss of approximately 2/3 of the world’s current polar bear population by the mid 21st century. Because the observed trajectory of Arctic sea ice decline appears to be underestimated by currently available models, this assessment of future polar bear status may be conservative.”
Ben maybe not debunked but certainly questioned over and over again. As I said I am personally doing all I can to help but am hesitant to have the government put controls on our industries that aren’t implemented world wide. It is global afterall.
We as a nation can’t afford to be the one nation who straps our manufacturers with controls that will price their products in a non-competitive position.
American Way I agree the debates are necessary I was referring to the line which said Bill accused Obama of ’swift boating’ Hillary. We all know what he means by that. I just feel if Hillary is capable of being prez she is also capable of defending her positions without Bill running interference for her. Her drop in the polls leads me to believe that others share my opinion.
Is it safe to come out now?
Stock market crashing again.GM has record 39 billion dollar loss.Dollar is still tumbling.
^^,
The only error in Al Gore’s AIT was the “tense” he used re the evacuation of low Pacific islands.
I just feel if Hillary is capable of being prez she is also capable of defending her positions without Bill running interference for her. Her drop in the polls leads me to believe that others share my opinion.
Posted by: ^^
I agree with you. Hillary either has 8 years of experience, or Bill does. I am waiting to see who is really running. Guess I missed your main point.
I was concerned when you said we could sit back………
XXX,
You may not have run off Kansas, but your certainly cheered the efforts by those who did.
I welcomed your very reasonable posts which said the best way to deal with a troll was to ignore him and your views that some people simply couldn’t resist.
I was amazed to see you cheering the JM spam attack the other day.
Questioned?
This sounds more like praise from this professional meterologist:
“Basic global warming scienceGore begins the science part of his talk with a very easy to understand presentation on the basics of how the greenhouse effect works. His speech is clear, the graphics top notch, and he spices it up with a hilarious two-minute cartoon depicting roughneck global warming gases preventing poor Mr. Sunbeam from escaping Earth’s atmosphere. Gore addresses the argument of skeptics who claim that the Earth is too big for humans to affect by showing Space Shuttle photos of how thin the atmosphere really is compared to the vast bulk of our planet. “The problem we now face is that this thin layer of atmosphere is being thickened by huge quantities of carbon dioxide,” he asserts, which is not correct. The build-up of CO2 has virtually no effect on the density or thickness of Earth’s atmosphere. The correct thing to say would have been, “The problem we now face is that this thin layer of atmosphere is being made more opaque to the transmission of infrared radiation (heat) by huge quantities of carbon dioxide.”
GlaciersGore shows an impressive series of “then and now” images documenting the widespread retreat of many glaciers over the past century. Most dramatically, he shows Kenya’s Mt. Kilimanjaro, whose 11,000 year-old glaciers are almost gone. While not all the world’s glaciers have retreated in the past century, Gore’s presentation is an effective and reasonable way to show how global warming has affected the majority of the world’s glaciers. Greenhouse skeptics, including Michael Crichton in his State of Fear book, are fond of bashing those who use Mt. Kilimanjaro as a poster child for demonstrating global warming. They cite scientific research showing that the glacial retreat on Mt. Kilimanjaro is due to drying of the atmosphere, not global warming. However, as discussed at great length in a realclimate.org post, the research which supposedly supports the skeptics’ claims has been widely misquoted and misinterpreted, and much of Kilimanjaro’s melting can indeed be ascribed to warming of the atmosphere since 1960. Gore does an excellent job discussing the Greenland and Antarctic ice caps. Again, Gore’s graphics are superb, and he does a nice job narrating. He shows animations of what a 20-foot rise in sea level would do to Manhattan, Florida, India, and China. A 20-foot sea level rise is what we expect if all of Greenland or all of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet were to melt. Such a 20-foot rise is not expected by 2100, and it would have been appropriate for Gore to acknowledge that the consensus of climate scientists–as published in the most recent report by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)–is that sea level is likely to rise between 4 and 35 inches, with a central value of 19 inches, by 2100. He should have also mentioned that temperatures in Greenland in the 1930s were about as warm as today’s temperatures, so the current melting of Greenland’s glaciers does have historical precedent. Nevertheless, the risk of a catastrophic melting and break-up of the Greenland or West Antarctic ice sheets is very real, when we consider that sea level before the most recent ice age was 15 feet higher than it is now. Gore is right to draw attention to what might happen if sea level rose 20 feet.
Drought and heat wavesAn excellent discussion of the most serious climate change issue our generation is likely to face, the threat of increased drought and reduced water supplies, is presented. Gore makes reference to the extreme heat wave that affected Europe during the summer of 2004, and I was glad to see that he didn’t blame the heat wave on global warming–he merely said that more events of this nature will be likely in the future.
Hurricanes and severe weatherThe biggest failure in the movie’s presentation of science comes in the discussion hurricanes and severe weather events. The devastation wrought by Katrina is used to very dramatic effect to warn of the dangers climate change presents. We are told that Katrina grew “stronger and stronger and stronger” as it passed over the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico that were heated up by global warming. We are told that global warming is increasing the intensity of hurricanes, but not provided information on the great amount of uncertainty and vigorous scientific debate on this issue. Graphs showing recent record insurance losses from natural disasters are presented, but no mention is made of how increasing population and insistence on building in vulnerable areas are the predominant factors causing recent high insurance claims from disasters such as Katrina. Gore points to some unprecedented events in 2004 as evidence of increasing severe weather events worldwide–the record 10 typhoons in Japan, the most tornadoes ever in the U.S., and the appearance of Brazil’s first hurricane ever. However, examples of this kind are meaningless. No single weather event, or unconnected series of severe weather events such as Gore presents, are indicative of climate change. In particular, the IPCC has not found any evidence that climate change has increased tornado frequency, or is likely to. Gore doesn’t mention the unusually quiet tornado season of 2005, when for the first time ever, no tornadoes were reported in Oklahoma in the month of May.
Other scienceGore presents many other important aspects of climate change, including the threat of abrupt climate change leading to a shut-off of the Gulf Stream current, the increase in damaging insect infestations and tropical diseases, loss of coral reefs, loss of ice in the polar ice cap, and melting of permafrost in the Arctic. All of these issues were presented with sound science.”
He did note that it was a bit bland:
“The creators of the movie presumably thought that simply presenting Gore’s slide show would be too dull,”
Hotdog, it’s safe. Just invest overseas (if that is what you meant by is it safe to come out).
Toyota earnings climb, forecast raisedJapan’s top automaker said overseas sales drove quarterly profits up 11%.
GM’s $39B loss a recordNo. 1 U.S. automaker posts much bigger operating loss than forecast as huge charge weighs on company.
Let’s see Toyota builds hybrids which cannot keep up with demand. GM builds gas guzzling V8 pick up trucks, which cost as much as some houses.
I don’t think we need the government to control CAFE standards. Free enterprise is setting the pace.
But because the government tries to regulate industry, GM fails to either SEE the change or make the change. Why should they improve gas mileage? The government gives them decades.
Meanwhile, Toyota already EXCEEDS the future standards.
Let’s not cry to hard when these high paying union jobs go tits up.
I was amazed to see you cheering the JM spam attack the other day.
Posted by: Nathan | November 07, 2007 at 12:47 PM
And I’ve been amazed to see you support the most disruptive poster who’s ever been on this blog. But you’ll note that I don’t get up in your face about it out of personal respect for you. It’s your business who you support and don’t support, but if you value my respect, you’ll give me the same respect in return. I’ve had very little to say about someone I consider the most destructive poster on the blog, but I won’t miss him and I’m glad he’s gone. I’m entitled to my opinion.
“Let’s not cry to hard when these high paying union jobs go tits up.”
… or when CEO / Directors / compensations / golden parachutes double or triple in spite of poor company performance — oh that’s right it’s all labors fault can’t hold them (CEO”s etc) responsible for actually managing something to profitability ….
An open letter to Ms. Pam Siddall:First of all, welcome to Wichita. I hope you find our community a pleasant living experience. At our best, we are a vibrant, diverse community, full of undiscovered potential.
I invite you to join me for my local talk show on a Tuesday evening at your convenience, so that we may better introduce you to your fellow Wichitans.
I hope that we can have a dialogue that is free from the pre-conceived notions and unfounded conclusions that have plagued our relationship with the Eagle under the past three publishers.I extend the hand of friendship, and hope you do the same.
xxx
Without comment —- I agree
“…local talk show on a Tuesday evening at your convenience,”
Which is this ? Do you have an audience?
XXX- I concur.
XXX,
Sorry, my defense was not so much for Kansas as it was merely pointing out that JR, Chas, CapnAmerica, KFG, and others were no better than Kansas.
Many of them did 10 times more posting attacking Kansas than I ever seen Kansas doing to them.
Several of those posters like JR and CapnAmerica have proven to be just as troublesome as well.
My point was that the way they supported the JM spam was a load of crap.
We might disagree on this point, but you either respect me or you don’t. Dont threaten me with that.
Anyone agree with this statement?
Who said it?
From the very beginning, the American dream meant proving to all mankind that freedom, justice, human rights and democracy were no utopia but were rather the most realistic policy there is and the most likely to improve the fate of each and every person.
America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: “Come, and everything will be given to you.” She said: “Come, and the only limits to what you’ll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent.” America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance.
Here, both the humblest and most illustrious citizens alike know that nothing is owed to them and that everything has to be earned. That’s what constitutes the moral value of America. America did not teach men the idea of freedom; she taught them how to practice it. And she fought for this freedom whenever she felt it to be threatened somewhere in the world. It was by watching America grow that men and women understood that freedom was possible.
Rest assured Ken, I DO have an audience.
What, do you work for the evildoers on George Washington Blvd?
That statement, which Mr. Gore made in an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC, ought to have been followed by an asterisk. What exactly is this debate that Mr. Gore is referring to? Is there really a scientific community that is debating all these issues and then somehow agreeing in unison? Far from such a thing being over, it has never been clear to me what this “debate” actually is in the first place.
The media rarely help, of course. When Newsweek featured global warming in a 1988 issue, it was claimed that all scientists agreed. Periodically thereafter it was revealed that although there had been lingering doubts beforehand, now all scientists did indeed agree. Even Mr. Gore qualified his statement on ABC only a few minutes after he made it, clarifying things in an important way. When Mr. Stephanopoulos confronted Mr. Gore with the fact that the best estimates of rising sea levels are far less dire than he suggests in his movie, Mr. Gore defended his claims by noting that scientists “don’t have any models that give them a high level of confidence” one way or the other and went on to claim–in his defense–that scientists “don’t know. . . . They just don’t know.”
So, presumably, those scientists do not belong to the “consensus.” Yet their research is forced, whether the evidence supports it or not, into Mr. Gore’s preferred global-warming template–namely, shrill alarmism. To believe it requires that one ignore the truly inconvenient facts. To take the issue of rising sea levels, these include: that the Arctic was as warm or warmer in 1940; that icebergs have been known since time immemorial; that the evidence so far suggests that the Greenland ice sheet is actually growing on average. A likely result of all this is increased pressure pushing ice off the coastal perimeter of that country, which is depicted so ominously in Mr. Gore’s movie. In the absence of factual context, these images are perhaps dire or alarming.
They are less so otherwise. Alpine glaciers have been retreating since the early 19th century, and were advancing for several centuries before that. Since about 1970, many of the glaciers have stopped retreating and some are now advancing again. And, frankly, we don’t know why.
A clearer claim as to what debate has ended is provided by the environmental journalist Gregg Easterbrook. He concludes that the scientific community now agrees that significant warming is occurring, and that there is clear evidence of human influences on the climate system. This is still a most peculiar claim. At some level, it has never been widely contested. Most of the climate community has agreed since 1988 that global mean temperatures have increased on the order of one degree Fahrenheit over the past century, having risen significantly from about 1919 to 1940, decreased between 1940 and the early ’70s, increased again until the ’90s, and remaining essentially flat since 1998.
There is also little disagreement that levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have risen from about 280 parts per million by volume in the 19th century to about 387 ppmv today. Finally, there has been no question whatever that carbon dioxide is an infrared absorber (i.e., a greenhouse gas–albeit a minor one), and its increase should theoretically contribute to warming. Indeed, if all else were kept equal, the increase in carbon dioxide should have led to somewhat more warming than has been observed, assuming that the small observed increase was in fact due to increasing carbon dioxide rather than a natural fluctuation in the climate system. Although no cause for alarm rests on this issue, there has been an intense effort to claim that the theoretically expected contribution from additional carbon dioxide has actually been detected.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597
Ben I do a lot of reading on the subject and do find there is a major difference of opinion. Many scientist have stopped speaking out because they have been threatened with loss of grants and other things that would harm their careers.
I try to keep an open mind because there is still a lot of room for doubt.
Climb offa me Nathan.
I have NEVER done anything remotely like what that troll did.
He IS still here you know.
And I’ve defended you on occasion when you were treated unfairly. And I’ve been more than fair at some really nasty shots you’ve taken at me.
I’ll say it again. There is a meanness to you that I don’t remember. Well don’t take it out on me.
I’ve only been back posting for a month. I’ve little to do with what went on in the meantime.
But no poster here can be hurt with anything they don’t bring with them.
He got what he deserved for treatment here and I will say I am thrilled if he is in any way now diminished.
IF JM is not Kansas, as Kansas has said, the how could anything that happened to Kansas’ vehicles, or telephone, be related to Kansas, if Kansas is not JM??
Something doesnt add up here!!
Or else, I missed something earlier!
You know, I was thinking that if what happened to Kansas (clarification: what Kansas SAID happened, big difference) had happened to me, I wouldn’t have paid for a tow, I would have just asked one of my many friends to help me remove the tires and run them down to PepBoys.
Hey, Nathan, why don’t you offer to do that for poor, old, crippled Kansas?
Don’t worry, since it never actually happened, he won’t take you up on it . . .
Oops, Chas.
You aren’t allowed to point out Kansas’s blatant lies.
That post will be pulled.
Rest assured Ken, I DO have an audience.
What, do you work for the evildoers on George Washington Blvd?
Posted by: mrcontroversy | November 07, 2007 at 01:13 PM
Don’t get testy — my question would have been better said if it were:
DO YOU HAVE AN AUDIENCE DURING YOUR SHOW?
I might like to attend — I have no idea who you are and what your show is
I am retired –
I think America should be more like France.
The French people just elected a new President there who is finally taking the French in the direction they want to go.
^^ – I have also been doing a great deal of reading on this topic for a few decades now. However, I don’t commonly look to the lay media (like the WSJ or Newsweek) as a source. I suppose it could be called snobbishness on my part but i tend to lean more to my familiar technical literature since that is where i feel more at home.
I also have used that for my background study in paleoclimatology and biogeochemical cycling that form the underpinning of our understanding of climate dynamics. It is particuarly interesting to look at current climate trends in the context of the past million years or so and Milankovitch cycles.
Oh, yeah, and you know what else, Nathan?
You’d probably find out if and when you met him, that Kansas doesn’t actually have a disability . . . unless it’s mental.
JM
WHY NOT DROP IT — YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED — QUIT GLOATING
MAN UP AS THEY SAY
JM,
The fact that Kansas may or may not have lied about his past is no reason to run him off the blog.
I must be missing some things… I dont remember seeing anything about mrcontroversy OR a show on this Blog today. Hmmmmm…
Sorry, Ken :)We do have limited seating in the studio (if you like the gamer chairs we’re trying to sell), but the whole idea behind the show is to call in and ask questions…which we would love for you to do!
“..the evildoers on George Washington Blvd?”
Mr C / Dickens
who are those folks ? the local satanic cult? (I’ve only been back here (Mulvane actually) a little over a year ….
Hmmmm as far as I know, this is an open, and anonymous Blog. I dont know how anybody can be run off, unless they simply stop posting here.
At 10:40 JM said he was gonna stop talking about Kansas. (That post was pulled for some reason JM!)
At 1:35, JM you are STILL attacking Kansas personally.
WE Blog, can you pull some more JM posts please!
Is this some kind of radio station?? Call letters?? or AM/FM location??
When ? Station? Is there a topic of the day? Need volunteer to run the phone line etc …?
Moving right along
In the past I hadn’t given the notion of a football team at WSU any thought. They last had a team 30 years ago? I think ICT is big enough now to have a hometown football team to support. With 35k alumni in the area, and seeing how they and the city county general pop. supports the basket and base ball teams — I think it could only enhance the city’s ability to attract more visitors, spurring more support for the arena etc …. and even start small Div 2 —- a couple million in improvements to the stadium, some redesign perhaps to make it a great outdoor venue for large summer crowd concerts with A listers who don’t work anything smaller than 12k seats — more than a little surprised that G. Brooks is doing 9 shows in KC and none here —- I’m sure he and Trish could get 20k to see them here for 1-2 shows — but I’ve heard that ICTans didn’t support some big names when they came here ……….. any way a football team ? Would be good for the city and perhaps another way to unite the city / county in a positive way ….
(Back to the open thread, posted on another by mistake)
How important is it to prevent Iran from getting the A-bomb? Should America try to stop Iran, and to what extent? Do we go to war with Iran to stop this?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308903,00.html
Ahmadinejad Announces Iran Uranium Enrichment MilestoneWednesday, November 07, 2007
BIRJAND, Iran (AP) — Iran has achieved a landmark, with 3,000 centrifuges fully working in its controversial uranium enrichment program, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced Wednesday.
“We have now reached 3,000 machines,” Ahmadinejad told thousands of Iranians gathered in Birjand, in eastern Iran, in a show of defiance of international demands to halt the program believed to be masking the country’s nuclear arms efforts.
Ahmadinejad has in the past claimed that Iran succeeded in installing the 3,000 centrifuges at its uranium enrichment facility at Natanz. But Wednesday’s claim was his first official statement that the plant is now operating all those centrifuges.
When Iran first announced launching the 3,000 centrifuges in April, the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency, the International Atomic Energy Agency, said Tehran had only 328 centrifuges up and running at Natanz’s underground facility.
In a recent report, drawn up by IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei, the agency put the number of centrifuges working in Natanz at close to 2,000, with another 650 being tested.
U.S. experts say 3,000 centrifuges are in theory enough to produce a nuclear weapon, perhaps as soon as within a year.
Iran says it plans to expand its enrichment program to up to 54,000 centrifuges at Natanz in central Iran — which would amount to the level of industrial-scale uranium enrichment.
Two rounds of U.N. Security Council sanctions have failed to persuade Iran to halt the enrichment.
Maybe JM/JR doesn’t have anything to say, without Kansas……..
Why else would he keep talking about him?
Ken, I think its been closer to 40 years, than 30… I’m not sure if WSU has the budget to field a NCAA football team, or Transportation funds to get em there from here…
Sorry Max, I do not believe America can stomach another war.Particularly in the middle east.
I hate to say it, but let Iran get the bomb. They will join their regional partners of Pakistan, India, and probably Israel in owning the most expensive gun on earth, that can never ever be fired.
I say let them continue to spend precious resources on the bomb. Wait until they get security, maintenance, and keeping up with technology costs!
That’s less money for buying guns for the PLO (or whatever new name they have).
Welcome them to the club!
If Iran screws up in the future by continuing to export bombs and guns to terrorists – the WORLD isolates them. Not the USA.
If American decides the proof of Iran’s involvement with blowing up Americans and civilians in Iraq is real – see if the majority of us want another war.
Otherwise, let them continue to kill our soldiers and Marines until we leave.
But give Iran an ultimatim similiar to the one Kennedy gave the Soviet Union when nukes were in Cuba, “We consider the explosion of ANY nuclear device on American soil as an ATTACK (emphasize the A, like Kennedy did with that great Boston accent), an ATTACK on the US by the country of Iran – and we WILL respond accordingly. No questions asked.
And then do it.
Ben you have an interesting point. THe problem I see with it is that when your colleagues come out with a theory supported by data that opposes the CW on GW they are shot down and ignored by the mainstream media. A lay person like myself have to do a lot of research to uncover the opposing views.
So fi WSJ is where the article was published it doesn’t mean it isn’t credible. It just means that Algore and his ilk have a lot of political pull.
You have yet to address my point which I have made several times – Until the controls are made ‘globally’ we would be committing suicide economically by forcing industry to strict controls which are only inforced in the US.
My goodness… Good post AmWay!!
I guess we arent going to find out where that radio station is located on the AM or FM dial… Oh well, maybe another day…
Obviously it must be global. I have always said that. However, as the world’s technological leader we should be leading the way. Also we have a lot more ‘low-hanging fruit’ that can be addressed.
As for your claim that skeptics are ignored by the lay media that is simply untrue. In fact, there is a lot more fossil-fuel sponsored PR against climate science than there is PR for climate science.
http://www.wunderground.com/education/928.asp
Chas – it’s channel 5 television (broadcast not cable). You will need a good antenna as KCTU is fairly low power.
Back on the right thread now.
Ben, you asked some good questions.
I had some question as to how much nuclear proliferation Can we control and how much Should we control.
The situation in Pakistan has helped make up my mind on this issue.
In Pakistan we have an unstable country with somewhere around 60 nukes, according to some web sites.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/worldwide-nuclear-arsenals.html
When an unstable country (like N Korea and Pakistan) go through a revolution overthrowing the current government, the its nuclear stockpile becomes unsecure and open to takeover by hostile powers, including terrorists.
I think the lesson is clear: To the greatest extent possible, the US and the Free World needs to ensure the safety of the rest of the world does not come into jeopardy when unstable countries attempt to develop nuclear weapons.
Pakistan is an IMMEDIATE concern. Iran, is very quickly advancing to the point where it will soon be an IMMEDIATE concern.
So, what do we do about it?
AmWay, when Chas agrees with you, I’d be worried.
PRAYERS ANSWERED – PUSSIES GO POOF!
Homeowner back at blast site looking for cats
By TOM ALEXREGISTER STAFF WRITER
November 7, 2007
Karen Van New Kirk and her daughter, Alisha Sunnes, were looking for cats. They knew it was a long shot but one of the neighbors said a cat had been seen wandering about Van New Kirk’s house. Or what was left of it after an explosion blew it to pieces on Oct. 31.
“We know we probably won’t find them but we had to look,” Sunnes said Wednesday. “Someone said they saw a black cat around here and mom had a black cat.”
Karen Van New Kirk was at a prayer meeting at church about the time her house at 2825 Scott Avenue in Des Moines blew up. The walls exploded, the roof dropped down to the ground and appliances were thrown out into the yard. The cats were in the house at the time. Des Moines fire officials have said they believe the explosion and fire were caused by a natural gas leak.
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071107/NEWS/71107015/1001
AmWay, when Chas agrees with you, I’d be worried.
Posted by: Max | November 07, 2007 at 02:46 PM
It must not be the real Chas.. Been alot of funny things going on today.
I really thought you’d blast me for DISagreeing with you!
^^,
Op-eds in the WSJ and elsewhere don’t have to be accurate.
From the IPCC’s SPM,http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html“The corresponding future temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when palaeoclimatic information suggests reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise.”
6 meters is about 20 feet.
Your op-ed: “global mean temperatures have… remaining essentially flat since 1998.”
1998 was influenced by a record warm El Nino event — note the 5-year mean on the graph.http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates/200708_2.gif
Your op-ed: “…the increase in carbon dioxide should have led to somewhat more warming than has been observed, …”
The warming has been partially masked by aerosols, and delayed by the thermal inertia of the oceans.
No AmWay, I can appreciate a differrent opinion without attacking you personally.
Not that I learned that here.
Tough decision, wait for an attack and react OR try to be proactive and attack first.
Catch heck from the press either way.
“So, what do we do about it?
Posted by: Max |”
Good question. I’ll pose a related one: If a country has a nuclear armed hostile neighbor does it have a right to develop a means to defend itself? Is deterrence a part of that defense? Or, is the US willing to extend a nuclear umbrella over that country and defend it? (The answer to the last question is a resounding NO)
Max – you support an individual’s right to bear arms. Does not a sovereign state have similar rights?
I also thought it was a good post AmWay. Partly because I don’t trust a word that comes out of GW Bush’s mouth, and I just want everything to be on hold until he gets out, and someone sane can be President. Secondly, arguably nuclear power is much “GREENER” than other types of power, and it would not surprise me if many, if not all, countries eventually try to learn how to build nuclear reactors for the power they can generate.
No, AmWay, I actually liked that post!
Last week, Associated Press reported on a study that claimed 67% of adults surveyed agreed with the idea of giving out contraceptives to children in public schools, clearly misleading the public. Looking at why the poll numbers were so badly skewed, 63% of the 1,004 adults polled were not parents — and only 30% of those questioned believed schools should provide contraception to children without parental consent. In addition, there was only a narrow divide among those polled over whether comprehensive sex education and birth control are more effective than stressing abstinence. Parents actually prefer abstinence education 2-to-1.- – -
The same old rehashed lies from the abortion lobby are being printed in major [lying or gullible] pro-abortion newspapers. The Los Angeles Times had reported claims that “up to 1 million Mexican women seek abortions every year” and “thousands of poor women die every year” from illegal abortions. Yet Saturday the same [lying or gullible] “journalist”, Hector Tobar, reported that in the first six months since abortion was legalized, “more than 3,400 women have received abortions at 14 of the capital’s public hospitals.”That means that about 7000 legalized abortions per year are being committed in Mexico City, within a day’s drive of 40% of the Mexican population. Now no one can believe that one million Mexican mothers were committing dangerous, costly, illegal abortions every year.Mr. Tobar also reported that over 3500 Mexican mothers were dying from illegal abortions every year, but Mexico’s Health Ministry reported that 88 mothers died from botched abortions in 2006. The health secretary of Mexico City, Manuel Mondragon y Kalb, also falsified data on illegal abortion deaths, relying on falsified data from the abortion lobby, in order to mislead the legislature into legalizing abortions.As far as the USofA is concerned, the obvious intent of the abortion lobby’s widespread deceit is to make sure that cheap, legalized Mexican abortions are available when abortion is outlawed in America.
Max – you support an individual’s right to bear arms. Does not a sovereign state have similar rights?Posted by: Ben | November 07, 2007 at 03:05 PM
Yes, but felons are not allowed to legally own firearms in the US.
Similarly, countries that threaten to attack the US or US interests, cannot be allowed to gain the ability to deliver an attack on America which can kill millions.
Ben, we are hearing almost the same rhetoric from the Democrats as we are from Bush on Iran.
Iraq Dejavu.
Ben, from the President of France addressing Congress today:
Together we must fight against proliferation. Success in Libya and progress under way in North Korea shows that nuclear proliferation is not inevitable. Let me say it here before all of you: The prospect of an Iran armed with nuclear weapons is unacceptable. The Iranian people is a great people. It deserves better than the increased sanctions and growing isolation to which its leaders condemn it. Iran must be convinced to choose cooperation, dialogue and openness. No one must doubt our determination.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/07_11_07_sarkozy_speech.pdf
Congratulations to one of our regular posters here in getting your kick-butt letter to the editor published today.
Well done!
And if that doesn’t work after we never tried it, bomb ‘em.
DOH! Cap’N, you came between me and Nicholas Sarcozy, Got dang-it!
Chas, do you know why Open thread was shut down yesterday?Posted by: kscitydude | November 07, 2007 at 05:11 AM
No Dude, I don’t… You??Posted by: Chas. | November 07, 2007 at 05:57 AM
My guess would be because of all the personal attacks.
What is the purpose of Open Thread?
Also from the President of France today:
From the very beginning, the American dream meant proving to all mankind that freedom, justice, human rights and democracy were no utopia but were rather the most realistic policy there is and the most likely to improve the fate of each and every person.
America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: “Come, and everything will be given to you.” She said: “Come, and the only limits to what you’ll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent.” America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance.
Here, both the humblest and most illustrious citizens alike know that nothing is owed to them and that everything has to be earned. That’s what constitutes the moral value of America. America did not teach men the idea of freedom; she taught them how to practice it. And she fought for this freedom whenever she felt it to be threatened somewhere in the world. It was by watching America grow that men and women understood that freedom was possible.
What made America great was her ability to transform her own dream into hope for all mankind.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/07_11_07_sarkozy_speech.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7083339.stm
“We did not inhale.”
According to Senate sources on Wednesday, Republicans are seeing tie-dyed red because of what they say might be a backdoor attempt to maintain a provision — originally sponsored by New York Sens. Clinton and Chuck Schumer — to funnel $1 million in taxpayer dollars to the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts, more specifically, to the Woodstock Museum.
Despite efforts last week to kill the provision in a House-Senate conference it appears to have found its way back into the final Health and Human Services appropriations bill for fiscal year 2008, which began Oct. 1.
According to present language in the bill, the proposed earmark for the museum — a move that has been widely panned by Clinton’s presidential opponents — was effectively removed, but a provision that would have prohibited any Institute for Museum and Library Services funds from going to the performing arts center was left out.
Critics say the way the language stands now, lawmakers like Clinton or Schumer can use their muscle to make sure that IMLS funds get to the museum commemorating the 1969 hippie music festival.
AP
Freedom, do you ever hear the Democratic Presidential candidates talking about it?
Sorry, CF.
I see you wanted to cozy up to Sarcozy.
He and Giuliani can trade stories about ex-wives . . .
Did everyone catch the values boy snark this a.m. in Opinion Line?
Where does columnist Brent Castillo buy his halo polish?
Brightened up my morning coffee.
Vote for Hillary? Yeah right!
Hillary’s consistent non-answers Wednesday, November 07, 2007
From NBC’s Mark Murray and NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones
In an interview with CNN’s Candy Crowley yesterday, Clinton was once again asked whether she supports giving drivers’ licenses to illegal immigrants. And once again, she didn’t really answer the question.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/07/453457.aspx
Looks like the Bush Twins are taking their toll on the Markets. One twins’ name is Oil, the other’s name is Dollar! Oil has done great since bush came into office, Dollar is on her death bed!
Will Obama Attack Iran or Not?
“Our policy of issuing threats and relying on intermediaries to curb Iran’s nuclear program, sponsorship of terrorism, and regional aggression is failing,” Obama wrote. “Although we must not rule out using military force, we should not hesitate to talk directly to Iran.”
http://www.jewishtimes.com/News/7137.stm
Even Obama Is ASKING If We Should Attack Iran!
Obama would consider missile strikes on IranBy David Mendell
Obama said the United States must first address Iran’s attempt to gain nuclear capabilities by going before the United Nations Security Council and lobbying the international community to apply more pressure on Iran to cease nuclear activities. That pressure should come in the form of economic sanctions, he said.
But if those measures fall short, the United States should not rule out military strikes to destroy nuclear production sites in Iran, Obama said.
“The big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures, including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point are we going to, if any, are we going to take military action?” Obama asked.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/chi-0409250111sep25,1,4555304.story
Obama Would Attack Pakistan:
As for Pakistan, Obama said that if President Pervez Musharraf were to lose power in a coup, the United States similarly might have to consider military action in that country to destroy nuclear weapons it already possesses. Musharraf’s troops are battling hundreds of well-armed foreign militants and Pakistani tribesmen in increasingly violent confrontations.
Obama said that violent Islamic extremists are a vastly different brand of foe than was the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and they must be treated differently.
“… I think there are elements within Pakistan right now–if Musharraf is overthrown and they took over, I think we would have to consider going in and taking those bombs out, because I don’t think we can make the same assumptions about how they calculate risks.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/chi-0409250111sep25,1,4555304.story
OK, so Obama Won’t Invade Iran, Hillary Will
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama on Thursday criticized a recent vote by Democratic presidential rival Sen. Hillary Clinton as helping to give President Bush a “blank check” to take military action against Iran.
Sen. Barack Obama says Sen. Hillary Clinton has shown “flawed” judgment.
“We know in the past that the president has used some of the flimsiest excuses to try to move his agenda regardless of what Congress says,” Obama said in an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.
Last month, Clinton voted to support a resolution declaring Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, an elite part of the Iranian military, a foreign terrorist group. (The nonbinding amendment to the Defense Authorization Act passed by a 76-22 vote.)
Obama said he would have voted against the measure but didn’t because he was campaigning in New Hampshire at the time. He said it was impossible to know when votes will be scheduled in the Senate. “This is a problem” related to running for president, he said.
Obama said Clinton also had shown “flawed” judgment during the vote to authorize the Iraq war five years ago.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/11/obama.clinton/
Max, I would think you would be all for attacking a Socialist Dictatorship like Pakistan?? Do you like the Pakistani dictator?
Be careful what you wish on Max.
Obama better think twice too.
India and Pakistan are currently precariously balanced. Their mutual possession of nukes keeps a grudging peace. Upset that balance and we FURTHER inflame a region we have already meddled too much in.
Of course, there ARE those who would not mind that.
Dang hard to follow the Democrats positions on Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan.
Which way is the wind blowing today?
It’s not hard to follow the RepubliCONs’ positions:
Bomb ‘em.
If Obama attacks again, he won’t be safe in Pakistan for long! There won’t be a country in America where he can take refuge. We’ll get him, Dead or Alive (hehe, I seen that on a poster out West, I think it was in Taxes)
Just caught a little of hannty comes with Kathleen wiley
Could this be Hillary’s achilles heel — I had forgotten about it — but watching wiley thought she was sincere and truthful about the incident with bill —
Keep it civil – will this be her downfall?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09072007/gossip/pagesix/blaming_bill.htm
September 7, 2007 — KATHLEEN Willey, who claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the Oval Office in 1993, says he and his senator wife, Hillary, are up to more dirty tricks. Willey tells World Net Daily she was recently the target of a burglar who broke into her house and swiped a manuscript of her new book, which contains revelations that could supposedly damage Hillary’s presidential bid
.. back to the CMA’s — Allyson Krauss is at her hottest tonight
Yeah I saw that too.
Alan Colmes busted Willey as a liar.
SHE busted herself as a certifiable nut!
Cue Twilight Zone music…
LOL she thinks Hillary Clinton snuck up to her house and left a racoon skull on her porch!
… didn’t hear that part —- pretty smitten with Allyson
….. but there seems to be some evidence that there was an attempt to quiet any detractors —- some credible testimony ?
Dang hard to follow the DemoRATS positions on Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan. Which way is the wind blowing today?
Posted by: Max | November 07, 2007 at 06:03 PM
Don’t know for sure Max. I swear I cannot keep up. Hillary changes her mind so much – they’ve stopped releasing tape recordings for the sheep!
White House Cites ‘Executive Privilege’ To Block Inquiry On ‘Eviscerated’ Global Warming TestimonyLast month, Centers for Disease Control (CDC) officials revealed that the White House “eviscerated” the congressional testimony of CDC President Julie Gerberding on the “Human Impacts of Global Warming.” The deletions included “details on how many people might be adversely affected because of increased warming” and the scientific basis of specific diseases impacted by climate change.
Last week, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) wrote to President Bush “requesting a full accounting of what occurred during that review process.” Appearing on MSNBC today, Boxer said the administration has stonewalled her efforts, claiming executive privilege:
Many pages of it were redacted… And by the way, we wrote the President. He gave our letter to Fred Fielding, the chief counsel over there, his counsel, who said ‘executive privilege, I don’t have to tell you what she wrote.’ … So yes, I think they are hiding this. I think they are hiding a lot of things. It’s their way, it’s their habit, it’s wrong.
Watch it:
Fielding claimed that “the request by its very nature seeks communications involving pre-decisional deliberative materials relating to an inter-agency review process…it is clear that the request implicates core Executive Branch interests and raises separation of powers concerns.”
Fielding added that he may continue to “withhold documents” in the future and redirected Boxer to Vice President Cheney’s office in regards to Boxer’s “request for vice president records.”
A January report found 435 instances in which the administration interfered with the work of government climate change scientists over the past five years. Despite the administration’s refusal to explain what it is hiding, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino maintains Gerberding’s testimony “was not watered down.”
Read the unredacted version of Gerberding’s testimony at Science Progress
Ok, The Muslims Have Bought Hillary Too, Hillary Will Not Bomb Iran
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58449
Hillary takes cash from terror suspects
Muslim donors targets of federal investigation
———Posted: November 4, 20075:00 p.m. Eastern
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., speaking during Oct. 30 Democratic presidential candidate debate in Philadelphia
Presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has taken thousands of dollars in cash donations from Islamists under federal investigation for terror-financing, money laundering and tax fraud, WND has learned.
The Democrat senator over the past seven months has received $1,000 from M. Yaqub Mirza and another $500 from M. Omar Ashraf, federal campaign records show. Federal agents raided the Virginia homes and offices of the Muslim donors after 9/11 for ties to terrorism.
Others tied to the still-active probe also have contributed money to Clinton, including one Muslim man who after 9/11 complained the U.S. government should focus on changing its Mideast policies instead of killing Osama bin Laden and other Islamic terrorists.
Mirza, who also has given to other candidates, including Republicans, is said to act on behalf of Saudi millionaire Yassin al-Qadi, who the U.S. Treasury Department in October 2001 blacklisted as an al-Qaida financier.
The next Dem Debate is in Vegas on 11/15.
I bet Hillary speaks some Espanol to the hispanic crowd there.
Hola! Te Amo Mexicanos!
Democrats pull ahead of GOP in voter registration
Party uses caucus to build first consistent voter edge in 15 years
November 7, 2007, 1:39 PM
Nevada Democrats say they have doubled the Democratic voter registration advantage in the month of October.
The party now holds an 8,600 voter registration advantage statewide, up from a 4,100 advantage in September. This is the first sustained voter registration advantage for Nevada Democrats in 15 years, according to a press release from the party.
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20071107/NEWS01/71107012
Some of the newly registered Democrats are even Living Americans. Most of em are either illegal aliens or dead.
Mr. Laidlow from Reno, a newly registered Democrat, could not be reached for comment.
Mr. Elvis Pressley, another newly registered Democrat, also could not be reached.
Hey, XXX,
Check this out…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110700574.html?hpid=topnews
Things are going great, aren’t they? Our money is worth less today than yesterday, our savings and retirement funds mean less than before; Just makes you feel really proud, No?
SD
Deserves a nstanding ovation for this “I Got Mine” administration
It’s 11:40 and Hillary still hasn’t confiscated my guns.
Some links, for poster’s 10:55 PM post.
‘GLOBAL WARMING
The Heat is OnEditing of CDC Testimony Backfires’http://www.scienceprogress.org/2007/10/the-heat-is-on/
Also,’Full Version of White House “Edited” CDC Climate Report – with highlights!’http://www.desmogblog.com/full-version-of-white-house-edited-cdc-climate-report-with-hightlights
“These were not minor edits the White House PR spin machine would like us to believe. The word-count for the CDC Director’s Senate testimony went from 3,107 to 1,500 after the White House got through with it.”
‘Research refutes White House Perino’s global warming “public health benefit” claim’http://www.desmogblog.com/research-refutes-white-house-perinos-global-warming-public-health-benefit-claim
A Centers for Disease Control report on the health effects of global warming.
That’s about as useful as the CDC report on firearms impact on health.
They cure any diseases at the CDC?
When it supports cosmos it is ok to post links to things which are not published in peer reviewed journals.
When it doesn’t support cosmos, they are no good.
Max, I see you are still possessed over Hillary.. Ask yourself, Why would the woman take campaign contributions from Islamic nut jobs?? Not even a less than thinking Republican would do such a stupid thing!! Well, except maybe Jack Abramoff! LOL
Ummm Nathan, I do believe that reports from CDC are considered credible… IIRC, they are a branch of the Republican headed government scheme of things??
Well, tomorrow is another day, and I have early appointments..
Good Night; Good Luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings All…
(Still need prayers for my very terminally ill friend – Thanks)
“When it supports cosmos it is ok to post links to things which are not published in peer reviewed journals.
When it doesn’t support cosmos, they are no good.”
Posted by: Nathan | November 07, 2007 at 11:57 PM
Nathan,
Please post your PROOF that http://oem.bmj.com/ is not a credible, international “peer reviewed journal”.
‘Global warming will increase world death rate’http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn12146-global-warming-will-increase-world-death-rate-.html
“Journal reference: Occupational and Environmental Medicine (DOI: 10.1136/oem.2007.033175) ”
Or Nathan, admit that you are wrong. Or just run away like a coward…
The post at 2:53 a.m. is phony… It is a sham post. See the post by Cosmos at 12:14 a.m. for an accurate typepad account reference for Cosmos.
Chas,
Thank you for posting the warning about the (deleted) 2:53 AM post.