Many people were likely surprised by Sen. Sam Brownback’s endorsement today of John McCain for president, given the Arizona’s rough relationship with the religious right. But Brownback argued that McCain is the most fiscally conservative candidate, has the best foreign policy experience, was right on the strategy for Iraq and takes a tough anti-abortion stand, Associated Press reported. “If you want a guy to change Washington, John McCain’s the guy to do it,†Brownback said. But Brownback also made a practical argument for conservative Christians: McCain is “the best pro-life candidate to beat Hillary Clinton.â€
Also on this crazy day, Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy Giuliani, despite their differences on abortion and gay rights. McCain’s response to that news: “Every once in a while, I’m left speechless. This is one of those times.â€
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Pat Robertson with Rudy – PRICELESS!
As someone said on another string, Robertson/Guilianicrazy endorsing crazy
And it looks as though Sammy is angling for a VP job. Chances are about as slim for that as his being elected to the top office.
McCain has gotten his reputation as being a Mavreck because he constantly went against the party and often sided with the Democrats.
How on earth does he even think he has a shot at being the Republican presidential candidate?
If you wanted to see a Republican who disagreed with Bush or the Republicans it was John McCain.
The fact that Brownback is now supporting him only furthers in my mind what a nut job Brownback is.
You would think Robertson would have some explaining to do. What in the world is he endorsing about Guiliani?
I just figured it out. Guiliani MUST have bought him off. That is truly the only explanation.
Geez didn’t Mc Cain have enough problems already?
Guiliani has said that he will not overturn any current, prolife legislation and that he will appoint conservative judges.
Presidents have NOTHING to do with Constitutional Amendments, and a Human Life Amendment is the only way to make abortion illegal.
Islamic terrorism is our major policy issue, and Rudy is right on that issue.
I kind of wish that Robertson would have endorsed Romney.
Oh well.
Politics, bedfellows, strange.
Nathan
good points about McCain — he lost me when he got scared off by Rove / Bush / Cheney smear campaign during the 00 election — I think he should have stood up to them — make whatever apologies were needed and tried to beat them —– showed a chink in his armor —– now I think he is getting too old and his mind plays tricks on him
It’s not that hard to figure out, gents:
Electability matters more than policy. It’s about winning.
It always was.
And that’s true, BTW, of both parties. Both parties exist, first and foremost, to win elections. EVERYTHING else is secondary.
O.K., I give up.
I vote in Kansas. I did support Brownback at one time.
But I will decide all by myself which candidate I will vote for in the election.
Does anyone really ever vote for the candidate endorsed by someone else – BECAUSE they were endorsed?
Just wondering how important/unimportant these endorsements are. And if it might HURT some candidates for a god-fearing anti-abortion fanatic like Sam?
Robertson’s endorsement of Giuliani probably comes down to one thing:
Robertson still carries a personal grudge against McCain. Policy wise, McCain is probably much closer to Robertson than McCain is. But:
Remember South Carolina in 2000 folks?
The truth is a conventional Republican canadate has no chance. Only someone who is NOT aligned with Bush and the “old” party has any chance of winning.
The results of this election with a Democrat winning will be worse than when Jimmy Carter was a 1 term “wonder”.
“Policy wise, McCain is probably much closer to Robertson than McCain is.”
should have been
“Policy wise, McCain is probably much closer to Robertson than Giuliani is.”
Bush and Giluani both are 9/11 politicians. That’s all they’ve got.
I know! I know! Rudy caught Pat ‘toe-tapping’ in a public toilet. …..you think?
KS 4 legal immig – I have thought the same thing. That’s why I wish that both Clinton and Obama would have waited until ‘12 to run. It worries me that one of them is going to win, and due to the fact that NO ONE can fix this country in four years, it will be assumed that it was the incompetence of the WOMAN or the inexperienced black man, not the overwhelming (and insurmountable in four years) task of rebuilding our country.
The People want Ron Paul or they will, once they find out the truth about what is actually going on in Washington.
Israel is endorsing both Hillary and Giuliani but favors Giuliani slightly.
Ron Paul is “America’s candidate” and their real threat.
Ed:
1) I understand Ron Paul pretty well. I actually remember him from when he was a Libertarian candidate for president.
2) I most certainly would NOT want a Ron Paul as president.
3) Neither of the above has anything to do with what Israel wants.
Monomania. It gets old.
Brownbacks endorsement should be the kiss of death for Rudy.
Rudy? Or McCain?
Brownback is a good man.
Cant you libs admire someone, even if you disagree with that person?—–
I am hopeful that the Robertson endorsement of Rudy had nothing to do with the Mormon issue, but I am wondering ——–
In answer to a previous question on this thread:
One of the smartest politicians I know once told me:
“Individual endorsements mean almost nothing — but organization endorsements mean everything!”
What a catch for McCain!
This gets him ALL the people that want to ban all abortion and open wide the Mexican border.
That’s what? 6 or 7 voters? Hell that could swing a coffe shop for McCain!
Paul – I can respect Brownback for his stands on Darfur and other issues in Africa and have stood up for him in those. Just like I can stand with Bob Dole on wanting recognition of the genocide in Armenia.
ksagnostic
The fact you are defending Israel is more “telling” than your dening it.
If it didn’t matter, you’d have said nothing.
EdName one, alleged, “sin” of Israel, that Israel’s neighbors have not done, or initiated, themselves?
It does get old.
We won’t have peace in the region as long as those who hate Israel refuse to force the Moslem radicals to negotiate.
BenYes, You have.My question was not directed at you, but I appreciate the response none the less.
This is shaping up pretty well for the Dems–Rudy has high negatives among the base, and so does Hillary.
But with Ron Paul’s ability to raise money, he might go third party, and that would doom the RepubliCONs worse than Nader screwed Gore.
I was really hoping that we could get someone better than Hitlary to emerge for the Dems, but with Gore and Feingold refusing to run, the party is stuck with what we’ve got.
The fact that the media has already crowned her is not good for our democracy, but heigh ho . . .
Econ101
Israeli propaganda is well known and what you are suggesting is only more of the ridiculous.
Before the Internet you used to be able to get away with it, but not anymore.
Your Israeli propaganda is old and tiresome.
Considering all the national support that Brownback’s endorsement carries, Rudy doesn’t have a chance!
I just saw a comment about something I had forgotten: McCain was instrumental in defeating Tankerless Todd’s sweetheart Boeing deal. I wonder how that will play out if brownback runs for re-election – or for governor?
Good point, I’d forgotten about his vendetta against Boeing. You’ll have to remind whoever runs against Brownback, so they can use it in their campaign.
Cats marrying dogs, black is white, LOL a pro-choice candidate getting a poster child for the religious fringe endorsement. Then the other poster child for RR giving his to
Mc Cain! I use to respect Brownback for no other reason than he did not sell out his believes and principles with the wind. But then he set me against him when he finally did sell out.
a standard Republican can not win? Now with the current mood of the nation that could be true for now. But Giuliani? please! He is the only one who could convince me to vote for Hillary! YUCK!
Capt, Ron Paul if he does not get the Republican nod will be a spoiler even if he would not be a independent. I will vote for him even if I have to write him in, If the Republicans want to keep the White House it is Paul who is the only hope. The rest have not got a chance, across the board Conservatives could vote for him. Moderate Democrats said they could vote for him.
Liberals caused 9/11, don’t you know, and 9/11 made Rudy. So, does endorsing Giuliani mean that Robertson is actually THANKING liberals?
My head hurts. Watching the Republican Right pair off with the Republican Middle and drift off toward their respective Love Suites makes me queasey in more than a passing sense.
Lots of interesting comments on this thread, particularly Nathan calling Brownback a ‘nut job’ and Econ101 calling him a ‘good man.’ It’s a Rainbow Coalition of Republicans ’round these parts, ah tell yew whut.
For all that, though, GMC70 is about right: it’s about winning. And Pat Robertson, last uber Fundo standing now that Falwell has left the building (FOR HELL!!!!!), has to try to reanimate his tottering, zombie Fundo movement just one more time with a shot o’ Ghouliani.
I think the most significant post on this thread was made early on:
Who in the hell is voting for a candidate someELSE tells them to vote for?
Endorsements don’t mean squat to a free independent thinking voter.
No one. It’s all for show.
And yet… Life will go on.
“ksagnostic
“The fact you are defending Israel is more “telling” than your dening it.
“If it didn’t matter, you’d have said nothing.”
Like I said, monomania.
Only someone suffering from monomania on the subject of Israel would interpret the statement
“Neither of the above has anything to do with what Israel wants.”
as a “defense” of Israel. As I said, my distaste for Ron Paul has absolutely nothing to do with Israel, and everything to do with the fact that he is a state’s rights libertarian who seems incapable of realizing that state governments have historically been a greater threat of tyranny than the federal government.
It sure is good to know that the Eagle is going out of business soon.
huh? is that a joke ronnei?
Seems fairly obvious — The Republicans are loading their cannons to run against Hillary… If she isnt the Dem Candidate, the Republicans are totally screwed!!
We shall have to wait and see…
I dont think Hillary will be the candidate of the Dems… I could be totally wrong!!
Pat Robertson is no more a “Christian” than most of his brethern. They just use Christianity as a stepping stone to power and personal enrichment. Christianity is a convenient tool for politics. Nobody ever lost money or power using the Bible and the flag. Roberston is no more a Christian than Creflo Dollar. Think about this endorsement- Robertson has hijacked the nutcase anti abortion movement for years saying things like “saving the little babies is our highest calling” and then, when it is politically convenient and when it will further his power, he endorses a cross dressing pro abortion, pro gay 3 times divorced adulterer. And I suspect that the other so-called preachers like James Dobson will follow suit soon.
Maybe the right is finally getting the FACT that abortion is here to stay and will remain SAFE and LEGAL through their thick heads. Maybe they have decided that battle is in vain and it is time to move on to other silly issues. Maybe…but I doubt it.
“”"Dear Editors,
I am writing this synopsis to try to ferret out
the reasoning why J R, cosmos and I were not
banned for doing what we did.
Here are the messages we wrote.
“Strangely, Cosmos, the editors pulled my post
pointing out that reasonmclucus bears a striking
resemblance to JM’s old e-mail address of *my real
email address”
Now who could have objected and had that post
pulled?
Hmmmm, let me think . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 30, 2007 at 02:56 “”"”
You all need to take that shit outta here and back to the open topic board- or better yet outta here all together. If people post opinions on here, it is my view that none of us should write things that we are afraid to attach our names to. If you are scared of controversial subject matter, you should not express an opinion! Me?Kevin KitchenAustell, GAKevinKitchen@Hotmail.com770-819-9666
What makes me sick:People demonize Hillary….yet proven whackos like Robertson and Brownback actually endorse candidates…and those candidates are thrilled to have their endorsement.It’s like getting an endorsement from Charles Manson and liking it….because you need the votes.Worse- now we will have to suffer through another, another, another, perfunctory attempt to ban gays from skateboarding…or whatever it is the freak christians want.Remember Bill Frist? Yes, he was a loser who took direction from Roberston and Falwell….he also diagnosed Terri Schiavo from a video tape.He was the majority leader of the US Senate!!! And our country is worried about hillary?? come on.
Last I checked the christian right doesn’t support: infidelity, divorce, tolerance of homosexuality, cross-dressing, mob ties and bearing false witness.
Meanwhile,Giuliani can’t even win his home state.Ron Paul Wins Straw Vote in New York
Katharine Q. SeelyeNY TimesWednesday November 7, 2007
Ron Paul Wins! That’s the headline today after the first New York State Republican Straw Poll. Clearly, after raking in a record amount of money the other day, Mr. Paul is on a roll. He seems to have out-organized his fellow Republicans — on Rudolph W. Giuliani’s home turf.
The New York State straw poll was conducted Tuesday at the Metropolitan Republican Club in New York City.
The results: Mr. Paul, 26 votes; Mr. Giuliani, 21; Mitt Romney, 6; John McCain, 4; Mike Huckabee, 2; Duncan Hunter, 1; Fred Thompson, 1; Tom Tancredo, 0.
Kev
Abortion law in this country will be different, 20 years from now.
The USA, currently, has the least restrictive, most wide-open abortion laws in the world.
The public opposed 95% of the abortions that take place in this country.
Which direction do you think our laws will take us?
By the way, since most of the liberal agenda is advanced in the courts (The public usually does NOT vote for liberalism) — a promise by Rudy that he will appoint conservative judges is good enough for me.
However, I like Romney even better.
Abortion will remain available on demand.
To do otherwise is an encroachment on the rights of the individual. American fundametal values rightfully trend toward the rights of the individual. Instances where the rights of the individual were encroached on by legislation (prohibition) were social experiment failures.
Plus the GOP knows without abortion as a political football they would be marginalized out of relevance.
warmachine
Good post. ksagnostic is getting worried about just what you’re saying, or better yet, the preface to a cold sweat.
Ron Paul will work with the democrats and fix everything Bush has broken and then some.
Pat Robertson endorses Guiliani:
How do you spell “religious right”? H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T.
“Christians” never fail to disappoint. Good thing they’ve accepted Jesus as their Savior; they’re gonna need it.