Kudos to GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee for his straight talk on America’s sick relationship with its “ally†in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia.
Huckabee blasted a Saudi court’s outrageous decision to punish a woman who was gang-raped by giving her six months in jail and 200 lashes.
He also suggested that America’s willingness to look the other way on such human rights abuses was the direct result of our dependence on Saudi oil.
“America has allowed itself to become enslaved to Saudi oil. It’s absurd. It’s embarrassing,†he said.
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Well Duh:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread–23.html#comment-91223812
And it goes back to long before the bush (and includes him).
Israel does not allow “honor killing” or the murder of women for bringing “shame” on the family.
Palestinians do allow “honor killing”.
Yes, the Saudi government was very wrong and twisted, in this case.
However, lets be fair, folks!
We are talking about Moslem culture.
How can Israel negotiate with people who are this barbaric?
I hope that peace is possible. I hope that we can get this done.
However, ISRAEL is being asked to make peace with governments that are even more brutal, even more twisted, than the Saudi government.
If you can’t cooperate with countires that whip and beat rape victims, if you can’t cooperate or sign treaties with countries that allow “honor killing” then we have 2 choices:
Perpetual war with the Moslems.
Or:
Change Moslem culture.
Instead, I am thinking that the best policy is for our government to “look the other way” while our media points out the barbaric nature of radical Islam.
Yeah. And driving bulldozers over American citizens isn’t barbaric.
http://www.electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
“America has allowed itself to become enslaved to Saudi oil. It’s absurd. It’s embarrassing,” [Huckabee] said.
No effin’ kidding.
Religion makes people stupid
But it’s alright to look the other way while Israelis brutalize Palestinians daily for 0ver 60 years?
Raw Hypocrisy…..shameful.
The Israelis are hellbent on getting us down on the Saudis, who, unlike the Israelis, are civilized.
It apperars they’ve made inroads at the WE.
OK, so now that we know we’re enslaved by Saudi Oil…what are we going to do? Mike notes that every time we swipe our credit card, the money goes to a country that rapes its citizens, supports terrorism against us and our Soldiers, and to a vile dictator regime. As Mike said…”let them keep their Sand and their Oil.”. Lets move on, become free of them…so that their Oil is as worthless as their sand.
Notice that the Zionist has no link to his fantasy rape and lashings?
Just full of hate.
Anyone interested in what Huckabee is really like face to face should try this funny (but it actually happened) column:http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/02/title_14
The US only imports about 10% of its oil from Saudi Arabia. Most of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico, with Russia in that mix, too.
However, oil is “fungible.” Except the relatively small transportation costs, it doesn’t matter much where we import oil from. It all has to be paid for in US dollars (no matter who is buying Saudi oil), and US consumption will still drive global pricing.
It’s not the Saudis that are the problem, specifically. It’s the lack of will on the part of US politicians, we as US citizens, and the corporations who live off oil profits: a lack of will to make the changes we need to secure stable sources of energy for our descendants.
Ed
Do you SUPPORT the corporal punishment of rape victims?
TalkingPoints101,
Do YOU support the intentional murder of American citizens by the Israeli government?
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=VerticalDay.Home&l=FC3FB9326779F70A3CF58E7ABCE6EB59
Obviously no one read the Saudi court statment on these accusations.
The statmenet siad that the girl’s punishment was not for being rape (would be barbaric to you and me). It was for other reasons related to the case which are punishable in Islamic law.Regards.
Very disappointed that Huckabee doesn’t know anything about Saudi Arabia or the oil business.
Good for Huckabee!
And I know that as president, he will continue US support for our friend and ally, Israel.
“…driving bulldozers over American citizens isn’t barbaric.
http://www.electronicintifada
Posted by: CF2K______
Not what many would consider terribly balanced, CF2K. What a great source: electronic intifada. The writer says this woman was murdered by an Israeli bulldozer operator while she was protesting. The word “murder” is rather loosely construed here to be her deliberately placing herself in the path of a working bulldozer because she didn’t like what was happening, then ending up dead. Sounds to me like an accurate description is that she committed suicide by bulldozer. Some people commit suicide by cop. Her weapon of self-destruction was different, but the result was the same. She was blindly opposed to Israel’s policy and decided to sacrifice herself to prove her point. Neither the dozer operator nor the government bears responsibility for this woman’s morbid instability.
We can always count on David for his AIPAC spin.
Now explain how that Palestinian family was just
“asking for it” by having a family pinic on a Gaza beach?
Was that Palestinian family tempting that Israeli Gunboat to fire that round which killed and wounded all 50 members?
And the “spin” says?…..
Tell you what, Osama, why don’t you provide us with a link that “explains” the reasoning of the Saudi court for the girl’s punishment.
But then, you should understand, I regard “Islamic law” that unequally punishes women for conduct to be barbaric, theocratic BS.
“Notice that the Zionist has no link to his fantasy rape and lashings?
“Just full of hate.”
A Zionist in every closet, huh Ed? Your charge about “full of hate” is laughable, considering the source.
On the other hand:
“Neither the dozer operator nor the government bears responsibility for this woman’s morbid instability.”
What a dumb comment. The bulldozer operator could have stopped. The woman was doing what protestors have done for years. They could have gotten people to move her, but no, the bulldozers must go on.
This is the kind of garbage that occurs when people are first concerned with whether someone is on “their side”. The conduct with Israel with regards to the Palestinians has indeed been horrible at times. For that matter, so has the conduct of most of the Arab world towards Palestinians.
I dunno ED, how many AK47’s and bomb satchels did the family picnic have tucked away?
Was it a picnic? I don’t think Palestinians do picnics do they? :)
Picnic…
lmao Ed
Ed,
There are several things on this blog that are predictable. None is more so, though, than the repulsive rancid racism that marks your character and thinking.
Lady protestor lays down in front of George Tillers clinic.
Tiller runs over lady.
Did Tiller “murder” the lady?
Apparently, only if the dead lady, in question, is a Palestinian and Tiller is Jewish.
My mother used to babysit George Tiller, he sure wasn’t Jewish, at that time, lol.
The girl’s picture, whose family was hit by the Israeli Gunboat, flashed around the world, made headlines everywhere.
David, Your rancid racism and rank filthy bigotry can’t be topped nor anything you say believed as a Zionist and AIPAC messenger.
But don’t give-up hope, as when you get to Hell, you’ll be seeing all of your friends.
Econ,
Your 3:01 post is bordering on libelous. George Tiller has never run over and killed any women with his car.
What do you have to gain by lying?
Your 3:01 post is bordering on libelous. George Tiller has never run over and killed any women with his car.
What do you have to gain by lying?
Posted by: Tom | November 27, 2007 at 03:19 PM
One can’t be sued over a hypothetical, the courts will ask for proof of acquisition of facts for the complaint.
A) I’m not George Tiller, so can’t sue.
B) I didn’t mention suing.
C) I said “bordering” on libelous. Please improve your reading comprehension. Oh wait, too late…
D) He’s still a liar.
E) You’re still a troll.
F) Have a nice day.
TomGet real.It was a hypothetical, with a political purpose.I never said it happened, in the exact form that I presented.
You take yourself FAR too seriously.
Besides, Tiller HAS run into protesters, in the past. His defense has always been that the protesters had plenty of time to get out of the way.
PSI have been to court, against Tiller, on a similar matter.
I WON!
LOL.
Go slink back to your ‘hole’ Tom. You’ve proven yourself as a disrupter.
Why do we wring our hands at the barbarism of the Islamic culture, but openly embrace China and Indonesia, who are as bad when it comes to human rights? Indonesia is a mecca for men who want to have sex with children who have been sold into prostitution by their families and it’s manufacturers exploit child labor, and China’s human rights abuses have been well documented for years…yet we support free trade with both of them and support their economies. So how are they any better or different than the Middle East? Face it, women and children are the “niggers of the world”, and the USA supports that philosophy, because buying cheap consumer goods at Walmart is more important to most Americans than standing up for human rights in other parts of the world.
That was rather rank Mary.
Yes, I’m pretty sure that we all agree that all these countires pretty much suck. but don’t we all agree the best way to influence them is to remain ally’s with them and make small strides instead becoming enemies with them and making no progress at all. I don’t see any other way to attack the problem.
Ron Paul is the people’s choice because he will restore our republic instead of selling it to special interests. He dominates in straw polls, debate polls, fund raising, web traffic and grass roots networking. I have created a website to support this statement.
Please visit http://www.thecaseforronpaul.com and judge for yourself.
BG, that’s my point…why bitch about the Saudis? By shopping at stores that support these countries, we’re no better.
Electronicintifada.
That says a lot about CFUK.
And he now is buddies with Ed.
Good company.
What does my sex life (or lack of) have to do with ANYTHING? LOL!
The Moslem nations have always held us hostage.
Liberals like to drag out the “Treaty of Tripoli” where one version says that the US is “not a Christian Nation” — however, the liberals never make clear that the Barbary Pirates were taking Americans hostage at that time.Most European countries were controlled either by Rome or by the Church of England or by Lutherans.Under “Sharia Law” Moslems are supposed to tax infidels or the subjects or members of other Religions.This Treaty was blackmail, demanded under force of arms, under duress, and it only stayed in affect for 13 years.There is also wide discussion of why the version which went back to Libya was different than the version we have, in America.
Nevertheless, dealing with Moslem nations is always dicey.
Do we cut them off completely, risking war and other problems?
Do we look the other way?
Do we find a middle ground?
by not buying their products you hurt the people not the elite that run it. they will still get their money one way or another. but not buying products you take away the means for people to support themselves. now if you give the peoples away to suport themselves they become more powerful over time.
MaryI accept your point, completely.
However, the “Serenity Prayer” comes to mind.
What, on Earth, can we do about these other, dispicable countries without making the situation worse?
I fail to see what is “shameful” about pointing out the human abuses that go on in countries we support. Can you be specific about what it is you find so “shameful”?I’ll be the first to admit I’m frustrated by the amount of hypocisy of this country.
When we pray to accept the fact that human rights abuses go on in the world and turn our back, then we are lost, Econ.
Hey, if you are suggesting only buying american products, I’m with you. but I don’t know how that will change anything in china??
Lord, give me the Serenity to accept the things that I cannot change
The Courage to change the things I can
And the Wisdom to know the difference.—-Mother Theresa didnt spend much time bashing the political systems that cause poverty, in the world.Somebody needs to take up that job, but Mother Theresa knew that was not her mission on Earth.
I dont see how we can make peace, between nations, and insist on changing nations, at the same time.
I guess, this is why we will never have lasting peace.
How’s folks treats each other. That’s imporant. But y’all hitched it to Mike Huckabee. Huckabee he’s a clown. Anythin’ he says jes don’ matter.
It won’t, but at least we won’t be supporting them. What incentive do they have to change now? We’ve given them almost all of our business..what would they do if we actually got serious about not supporting cultures that supress and abuse much of their population?All the armchair warriors scream all the time about Sadamm’s brutal way of treating his citizens as justificatio for overthrowing his regime..and then they shop at Walmart, Target, etc. and buy Chinese and Indonesian made products, who’s government’s are just as neglectful and brutal to their people.
Econ..maybe we should have said teh “Serenity Prayer” before we invaded Iraq?
I like the Calvin and Hobbes version:Lord give me the courage to change the things I can
The inability to accept the things I can’t
And the incapacity to know the difference.
Someone needs to jump on the idea of opening a store with totally American made products. I think that it would be very successful…lots of people feel like I do, not wanting to buy products from countries that oppress their people.
I dont see how we can make peace between nations, and insist on changing nations, at the same time.
I guess, this is why we will never have lasting peace.
Posted by: Econ101
_____
Exactly, Econ. The Saudi princes, or other kings, princes, envoys and officials of the middle east, be they Arab or Jew, don’t want peace as much as they want “their way” of doing things acknowledged, protected, sanctioned and unhindered by… well, by just about everyone. It is a different world view with cultures and faiths in conflict and collision. It will take a new kind of Prince–a Prince of Peace to bring any lasting solution to this problem. Only that Prince will ultimately prevail. And he will, on his schedule.
Holy crap! Something I agree with Huckabee on.
However, it’d be really nice if he’d practice true equality for women at home too. He just doesn’t like the ‘extent’ of the discrimination there.
“Go slink back to your ‘hole’ Tom. You’ve proven yourself as a disrupter.”
Uh huh.
Re: Kansas
DNFTT
“Electronicintifada.
That says a lot about CFUK.
And he now is buddies with Ed.
Good company.”
Re: Pat Herron
DNFTT
I’d rather have a dumb child than a child with no conscience.
MaryThank youI think?Am I dumb, or have I no conscience, or both, or neither?
I know you were speaking in hypotheticals, it is ok ;)
I’m sure you have a conscience, and you’re certainly not dumb…it’s “little Georgie Tiller” who doesn’t have a conscience..and if you’ve ever heard him talk during an interview, you’ll realize he’s not a very smart man either.
I know a guy who kept George on the phone for nearly an hour, once, claiming to be a reporter.
He even set a date for another interview, later on.
And, this was on a very busy day, his parking lot was full.
I heard the conversation. It was hillarious.
I wouldnt call it dishonest, in that the caller did ask legitimate questions, and much of the conversation was reprinted, but the caller had no intention of keeping the apointment that was tentatively set, for later on.
He was a prolife writer.
Tiller isnt smart, but he does love the notoriety he has achieved.
Appeal to his ego, and he will fall for anything.
MaryNow I need to ask my “mom” who she was talkinga about, lol
Tiller has said the most outrageous things in interviews..that’s why he rarely does interviews..I’m sure his lawyers or other supporters discourage him from doing them.
I agree.
Hey, here is a teacher sentenced to 40 lashes because the teacher named a teddy bear: Mohammed
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article511199.ece
“Neither the dozer operator nor the government bears responsibility for this woman’s morbid instability.”What a dumb comment. The bulldozer operator could have stopped. The woman was doing what protestors have done for years._______
Here, distilled down to crystal-clear clarity, is the thinking that so marks liberal ideology that those who hold to it are shocked, indignant, incensed and amazed that others DON’T think similarly.
Here’s an outline of the logic:
1. I don’t agree with “X”.
2. Because I don’t agree with X, I have the right (and in some cases, the responsibility) to act as recklessly as I choose in order to stop X.
3. When I act with reckless abandon for my own safety or the safety or welfare of others, others are responsible for securing my safety and well-being.
4. I am not responsible for my own welfare because I’m supporting a cause I passionately believe in.
5. I have no personal responsibility or liability for my actions.
6. I am a victim of those who refuse to secure my welfare.
7. Any resulting damage or injury, be it real, personal or imagined, is not my fault, but the fault of those who weren’t looking out for me.
8. Those who do not take responsibility for me are criminals.
9. Criminals should be arrested, tried and convicted for their criminal acts because they victimized me.
The end result: Those acting responsibly become criminals, and those acting recklessly become victim-heroes.
I don’t think I can find a clearer statement of liberal “values” recently posted on this blog than the one seen above. It is true that individuals have the right to imperil themselves to some degree, but they must take responsibility for that choice. Expecting others to adjust their lives and agendas so that passionate reckless and/or irresponsible people can continue to be passionately reckless and/or irresponsible is absurd. It serves as the basis of the Nanny State desired by liberals, and is a tenet of socialism.
The great quandary of this kind of logic is that Individual Rights cannot exist where there is not Individual Responsibility. They must co-exist, or neither will. Eventually, someone has to clean up the consequences of individuals who want to exercise their rights without accepting the consequences of those actions. In the case stated in the article, no one intervened in the woman’s passionate recklessness, so she bore the full weight of the consequences of her actions. In American Liberal Land, many DEMAND that government (or are least “someone other than me”) intervene and bear the responsibility and consequences of cleaning up their behavior and choices. But the government produces no goods or services to sell in order to generate income for the clean up. So the government takes from those who are responsible for producing work or products and spends it on the consequence clean up effort. At that point, the rights of individuals who are taxed have been abridged because they no longer have the full earnings of their labor to do with as they choose.
In this country, anyone can do whatever he or she wants. Aside from those with genuine disabilities, people can work hard and enjoy the fruit of that labor, or do nothing and be homeless, enjoying the non-fruit of their non-labor. Key for us as Americans is realizing that, if the guiding principles of hard work and personal responsibility change, so, too, must change even the ability and freedom to take responsibility for oneself.
I, for one, don’t want to live in Liberal Land.
As you can see, David Atkins is a self absorbed narcissistic pseudo intellectual.
nothing “pseudo” about you Ed.
You are the “real deal” lol
Mary, the classic way to oppress women is to reduce EVERYTHING they say or do to some sexual basis. Claiming you need to “get laid” is one way of reducing you and your comments to sexual slavery.
Besides, I’ve met her hubby and he’s hot as hell. Just like Mary.
Trolls = losers.
“I, for one, don’t want to live in Liberal Land.”
OMG. And I, for one, dont want the troll known as david atkins to live in liberal land either.
Ya know, ya let one wingnut bigot troll in, and there goes the neighborhood…
Funny stuff. CF has said many times here that part of his heritage is Jewish. And yet, he and Ed can agree on a few things.
I dont think Ed is racist. He’s anti ZIONIST, not anti Jew. And he’s said THAT many times as well.
You wingnuts need to take some notes….
It’s too bad Mike is such a wingnut religious bigot. He is right about a few things. If he’d just ditch his bigotry and govern by LAW not church doctrine, he could be a good president.
Yeah. When donkeys fly he’ll stop letting his church control him.
KFG,
How on earth is Huckabee a bigot?
Just because not everyone agrees with your lifestyle doesn’t make them a bigot.
Get over yourself already.
KFGEd has used some very strong language, in the past, that could not be considered a critique of Israeli policy, alone,— but of the Israeli people and Jews in general.
I think, if every Jew in Israel died tonight, Ed would be happy.
In fact, I think Ed would be happier if every Jew, everywhere in the world, died tonight.
That is how he comes off.
KFG
Name a candidate for President that supports outright “gay marriage” like you want.
Are Hillary, Obama and Edwards “bigots”???
Econ101,
Ed is much more careful with what he says now.
Back in the day I could of swore he said some pretty bad things if not outright racist towards the Jews.
Only later did he start to say he was just against the “zionists”
Either way, you are right. His language is usually indistinguishable from being against only zionist and all of Jews.
Thanks for the compliment, Frmgrl.. I’ll tell Dave what you said, it’ll make his day!
I really hate the way our world treats women and children..and I feel like the women’s movement has regressed in this country. Our pop culture is doing it’s best to portray women as objects with the idea that they have no real value other than their sexuality. I feel bad for young girls today, the pressure to maintain a certain image is so great.
I dont remember Econ saying anything when Horst complements him, Its very telling when a self proclaimed Nazi agrees with most of what you say and you remain silent. Then a again a fascist like you probably would a have given Hess a hand job for a meeting with Hilter. In fact you’d probably have voted for him because he was “pro-life”
I have been telling people, Huckabee is not only electable, he is the best situated to beat Hillary in the General Election. Now the numbers are in to prove it. Huckabee beats Clintion by the widest margin: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews2.dbm?ID=1393Huckabee is polling 2nd in Iowa and Florida, and 3rd nationally 1-point behind Romney.
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Slaver David Atkins writes, “The end result: Those acting responsibly become criminals, and those acting recklessly become victim-heroes.”
Consider for example Christianity’s first martyr, St. Stephen. All he had to do was renounce Christ and the Sanhedrin would not have had him stoned to death.
But noOOO, he had to play the reckless “victim” and force the responsible judges to inflict him with the law.
Amanda: Considering the fact that Hillary can’t beat any of the top Republican candidates head up, I think that as a Republican, we need to lay off of her until she gets the nomination.
It’s not Stephen the martyr who’s the victim here.
It’s the bureaucracy who are victimized BY the seeming victim.
See how clever those libs are!
(heavy sarcasm)
“Slaver David Atkins writes”Posted by: CapnAmerica | November 27, 2007 at 08:17 PM
And Capn boohoos about people calling names.
This is the Capn’s trade mark Salutation – start off with an ad hominem.
Amanda, you run with that, babe.
Zogby’s poll was ON-LINE. It doesn’t match any of the regular polls.
‘Nuff said.
Oops . . . I checked my source again.
It wasn’t David Atkins who was the slaver from Missouri.
My bad.
Sorry, David.
Other than that, you’re still wrong.
Nathan?
I was posting this forum before you were. Ed was posting this forum before you were.
Now I may have missed something in the time I was away. But I remember nothing that Ed has written that I would call racist. Israel I classify as number 4 in that rant above.
I do not believe that God wants a certain group of people to have a certain spot of land. It is not my responsibility to be responsible for their beliefs. I resent that much of the foreign policy of my country is based on accomodating the supersticions of religious zealots. If God wants they should have that land let God handle it.
And yes that last was me.
I figure if I’m gonna get accused of it I may as well play.
JR,
If I accuse you of jumping off a bridge are you going to do that too?
Ed’s not a racist, JR-JM. He just hates Jews.
And I know that you don’t care, but the return of the Jews to the Holy Land was in several Bible prophesies.
Interesting isn’t it how the story of Israel itself now fits the David and Goliath story. My money’s on David.
JR,
I bet you think that nothing CapnAmerica, KFG, WS Clark, Chas, or any of the other liberal bloggers ever comes close to the same name calling and trolling behavior that you routinely accuse several conservative posters of.
No surprise that you don’t think anything Ed ever said as racist.
Interesting a Republican would say that. Like they “really” care about women’s rights or something…..hmmmm
Nothing wrong with Ed that a relocation to Palestine wouldn’t cure. :)
I don’t see any of the people you mention switching nics Nathan.
At least not outside as response to our resident doppleganger.
And you are becoming one hell of an annoying scold.
Got kids outlander? I think you do. You send them to die for your fairytale.
I don’t perceive that Ed hates the Jewish people. Certainly I don’t. But I’ll tell you this; why is it that THEIR holocaust is the only one that is such a big deal? I mean human history is FULL of slaughter. Why special dispensation for one group?
Yeah I know. The covenant thing. I never got that either. God demands a man murder his own son and this warrants his people special favor? I find that sickening. But then again that’s your faith not mine. YOU fight for it and all that attaches to it. Not my job.
JR,
Yeah, 6 million Jews rounded up and killed in gas chamers, firing squads, starvation, and disease.
I have no idea why it would get so much attention.
*eye roll*
Many of us try to talk about the millions killed by Pol Pot and the North Vietnamese after the fall of South Vietnam because the liberals didn’t want us to help them, but for some reason you guys don’t like talking about that one.
Many of us also try to point out the 100 million killed under represive communist governments.
Liberals don’t like talking about those either.
So, besides the Arminians killed by the Turks in the early 1900’s who exactly is it that you liberals want us to notice as much as the 6 million Jews killed by Hitler?
One I’m complicit in Nathan. Well my family anyway.
The native American culture was DELIBERATELY destroyed by American manifest destiny. Not just milllions of people but wholesale civilizations wiped out.
Much the same is currently happening to the ANCIENT culture of Tibet. The aggressor is China. bush gave them most favored trading status.
Don’t cry to me because God’s chosen people got badly treated. They aint alone. And they might well ask of their God, “Where were YOU?”
Difference between you and me Nathan, is I don’t weigh slaughter based on who got slaughtered.
JR,
Trading with China is a fact of life.
Do you think any of the Democrats are going to all of a sudden turn their backs on China when they get elected? Did Clinton?
Of course not.
At every stage of my education I was taught about the Native Americans.
My Lord man, if I heard anymore about them and what happened I would be an Indian.
I don’t know what your fixation on Israel being God’s chosen people is, but I have yet to see anyone arguing the point.
I think J R would have been a prime candidate for the Sturmabteilung during the Nazi WWII reign.
Of course, J R wouldn’t qualify for the Schutzstaffel as he is anti-military.
J R appears to like the “brownshirt” political type of thuggery and would have fit right in rounding up the Jews.
KFGWhy is it that you label everyone who has a differing opinion from yours a “wingnut”? What makes you think your opinon and beliefs are more correct than the next person?
Ya know “kansas” JM, I don’t think anyone who posts here credits you much.
For the record? My grandfather helped liberate a concentration camp. Also your knowledge of history is rather poor.
The mistreatment of the Jewish peoples was largely the province of the Allgemeine SS. The regular Waffen SS and the “brownshirts” had little to do with it.
And Nathan? Trading with China is a fact of business. For the record I buy American or I but second hand. Not much I can do beyond that.
Oh and Clinton didn’t grant China most favored trade status. bush did. And after they attacked one of our planes even!
Biz always trumps country with cons.
JR,
Are you so partisan you are blind?
Once again, answer my question:
Do you think that if any Democrat gets elected to the office or President that they are all of a sudden going to turn their backs on China?
Yet you keep blaming Bush…
The mistreatment of the Jewish peoples was largely the province of the Allgemeine SS. The regular Waffen SS and the “brownshirts” had little to do with it.
Posted by: J R | November 27, 2007 at 09:49 PM
Yeah sure J R, I figured you’d be an expert on Nazi Germany being as you hate Jews.
Oh J R, who was the head of the SA during WWII? You know, your Jew hating leader, like your buddy Ed.
Excuse me Nathan. I will get back to you.
I don’t have to take that crap from you “kansas”. You are low and lie about your service and pretty much everything else.
I’m a student of history and that makes me a Nazi? Oh and to “hate Jews” I’d have to know some. I don’t. Not personally anyway.
Hey like it or not there was a European prejudice against the Jews. It was not a strictly German phenomenon. It is not fair to put all the blame on Germans.
It is also not fair to put the blame on “the SS”.
The Waffen SS were similar to our Marines or Rangers. They were an elite fighting unit.
Want me to take you to school some more kansas?
Make it worth my time. ANY holocaust is a complex subject. We diminish them all when we elevate one or try to explain that one away and blame it on a certain group.
It is not fair to put all the blame on Germans.Posted by: J R | November 27, 2007 at 10:07 PM
No thanks J R, you’ve let me know about you I want to know.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didnt the Russians under the Czar execute pogroms against the Jews? If memory serves these pogroms ran the Jews of their land and out of their towns
So it’s YOU that’s the racist huh kansasJM?
No you are just a simpleton. Hate the Germans. It’s all their fault.
Hitler laid out his ideals for all to see. There was no doubt his feelings as to the Jewish people.
There was no lack or European and American looking the other way either. Count among those one Prescot Bush. There’s money in murder. It has ever been thus.
And with that I’m off to research the victims of another holocaust. The Palatine Germans.
Victims of the 30 years war and Louis the IVX, hordes of them fled to America. A large number of my ancestors among them.
France has our land now.
Damned frogs!
For the mentally shallow such as “kansas”, that was toungue in cheek.
Rev JimHitler was proabortion.One of the crimes at Neuremburg was forced abortion.
Nice lie Paul, Nazi Germany outlawed abortions for Germans. Anyone performing an abortion received the death penalty. Another case of Paul making crap up.
To a point, JR has a point.
The “Brownshirts” were a thugish gang. The gang was led by homosexual men.
Hitler had no real problem with this, until he sensed a power strugle.
Then, Hitler sided with the SS over the SA Brownshirts.
JRIf China is so evil, why did Clinton take so much illegal campaign money from China?
Who gave her that money Paul? Care to post any names and the actually country they are citizens in? You were called on this lie before and proven wrong.
Doug
You are wrong.Calling someone a liar for printing the truth is a pretty big mistake.Hitler forced abortions on Poles and Jews and “lesser” races.One of the Neuremburg crimes was abortion.
By the way, the answer to my question was that Hitler was the Head of the SA during WWII. So the SA did commit acts of violence against Jews and did order their executions.
Sorry Paul, Poles and Jews were considered enemy combatants and not German. As usual I’ll have to present the facts while you present nothing but lies.
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0098-7921(198803)14%3A1%3C81%3AAAEING%3E2.0.CO%3B2-J
Oh goodness, an academic piece. I suppose you’ll present me with nothing as usual.
Abortion in Nazi Germany:
http://www.100abortionpictures.com/DeathCamps/Holocaust5.cfm
Yes a biased source, but it hits home and is accurate.
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/baha/nazis.html
Doug’s fact, what a maroon.
I lived in Germany,visited the old Concentration Camps and took German History from German Professors.
Doug is saying that German Citizens who happened to be Jews were treated as enemy combatants. That’s the not only laughable, it is entirely wrong.
The ultimate goal for Jews, German Jews, Polish Jews or any Jew was extermination.
Enemy combatant indeed. Sharpen up those hobnails on your boots Doug.
Gee Paul, two anti-abortion websites with no references. Good job Paul, you make my work so easy. As I expected, nothing but lies.
DougYou are making absolutely no sense.
Hitler wanted more “aryans” and fewer non aryans.
Therefore, Hitler forced abortions on Jews and minorities, yet Hitler forbade abortions for most Aryan women.
“More from the fit, less from the unfit, that is the message of birth control” Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood and huge fan of Hitler.
Oh yes Kansas, the Jews were treated with all the same rights and protections as German citizens. What Holocaust denial crack have you been smoking?
Margaret Sanger wasn’t a German Paul. Please stop lying, your lies are just so obvious it’s just pathetic. As usual you have nothing to back up your claims.
Hey, you’re a Catholic and the Catholic Church was allied with the Axis powers. Nice bedfellows there Paul.
Your last statement doesn’t even make any sense.
German Jews lost any rights they had as German Citizens. Krystahl Nact ring a bell?
But go ahead and deny all of that Doug, you and the Nazis deserve each other.
Lay off the crack pipe Kansas, the Jews were considered enemies of the Reich and were persecuted since they were blamed for Germany losing the war. Some times you just don’t know what BS to peddle.
“Consider for example Christianity’s first martyr, St. Stephen. All he had to do was renounce Christ and the Sanhedrin would not have had him stoned to death.
But noOOO, he had to play the reckless “victim” and force the responsible judges to inflict him with the law.”_________
You know, when I was typing the original post, I debated whether it would be necessary to define for someone with limited capacity to perceive nuance the difference between a martyr, such as Stephen, and someone made to be a victim in trying to prevent a house from being torn down. I was hopeful that in not describing the nuance, thinking people would grasp that deliberately giving one’s life for a worthy goal did not leave the one making such a sacrifice a victim, but rather a martyr, with all the positive connotation of a hero. (Many of our military deaths fall into this category.) My error came in assuming all those who read this blog are, indeed, thinking. Frankly, it was a silly mistake, given what I’ve seen over the past few weeks. So for those who seemed challenged by mild complexity, I’ll spell it out.
Stephen gave the whole of his life for God’s kingdom. He was doing the same thing daily: preaching Jesus Christ, crucified, buried and resurrected. There was nothing illegal about his activity, but it was severely annoying to the Sanhedrin. The religious leaders arranged for people to lie about his speech and activity. The Sanhedrin sent and had Stephen seized; he did not dare them to stone him. Stephen knew his position would probably cost his life, yet embraced the reality of Christ to the end, not considering himself a victim, but counting it a privilege to give his life for the sake of God’s kingdom. Neither did the church consider Stephen a victim, but rather a martyr whose blood watered the soil of the early Church, and whose passion lit the fire of Christian evangelism.
In the article of the woman killed by a bulldozer, there are some similarities in comparing her and Stephen. But there are many profound differences, which, again, seemed beyond the poster who made the comparison.
Similarities:
1. Stephen valued the God’s kingdom a worthy reason to sacrifice his life. Evidently the woman thought keeping the house from being torn down was worthy of the sacrifice of her life. (Judge for yourself the accuracy of her assessment. I make no judgment about it.)
2. Stephen was accosted in the course of his everyday routine: Preaching Christ crucified, buried and raised to life. It is possible that this woman was doing her routine activities in supporting Palestinians, but we simply don’t know that from the article.
3. Both of them ended up dying.
The similarities pretty much end at that point.
Now, the differences that both invalidate the comparison, and prove the initial point that those who don’t hold to a victim/liberal/socialist mindset are shocked that other people don’t “believe” the same way they do:
1. Stephen’s activity was legal, but the unjust leaders of the Sanhedrin trumped up unjust charges against him. The woman was defying a legal order, justly pronounced by a legal, sovereign state. Her disagreement with the order did not invalidate it. As previously stated, everyone can judge for themselves the wisdom and value of her sacrifice, as each can judge whether Israel’s law is as you would have it. None of those things withstanding, Israel had the right and authority to do what it did.
2. The Sanhedrin trumped up false charges to prosecute action against Stephen. No false charges were made against the woman.
3. The Sanhedrin had to go find Stephen and seize him. He was not reckless or suicidal, and did not stand in their face and dare them to do something to him. His joy was to preach Jesus. This woman placed her body in the path of a bulldozer carrying out a lawful order. If she did not intend to die, she certainly demonstrated a callous disregard for her own life. If she was hoping that someone would rush in pull her out of harm’s way at the last second, then she also demonstrated a callous disregard for the lives of others.
4. Stephen knew that preaching Christ would probably cost him his life. It is, again, unclear if this woman intended to die for her cause. The writer of the article doesn’t give us any information about this. However, one comes away from the article with a sense that everyone was shocked beyond belief that she died, leaving us to think at least her colleagues that she would be rescued from harm, if she didn’t believe that herself. We have no way of knowing from the information presented. I am a bit skeptical about the woman’s desire to die for her cause, since she is so strongly portrayed as a victim by those who knew her and were likeminded with her. I’m inclined to think she was shocked that she couldn’t delay the lawful order.
5. Stephen’s “colleagues” considered him a hero and an inspiration to give all for Christ. There is profound reverence and respect for Stephen, but no sorrow about him being a victim, which he wasn’t. Stephen wasn’t helpless to prevent his illegal execution. He simply weighed the value of his life against the greater value of loyalty to Christ. However, the woman’s colleagues and the reporter writing the story are shocked and grief-stricken because of how she was victimized by the Israelis. Their version of a martyr is a pitiful person who tried to do something she felt strongly about and ends up a victim of a mean entity. In other words, she was helpless.
Stephen’s martyrdom continues to inspire Christians. We don’t know the impact of this woman’s life in inspiring other’s to keep houses from being torn down.
Perhaps now those who didn’t “get” the difference and attempted an illogical comparison will understand the “nuance” a little better. I’m prepared, though, for the likelihood that they will plumb the profundity of their minds and respond with a well thought out and brilliantly insightful: “That’s just wrong, David.” Einsteins, all.
No doubt I won’t get anywhere with Paul and his troll buddy. Paul was already debunked about his claim that Hitler legalized abortion and Kansas denies the Holocaust. What to do with reich-wing nuts today. Oh hey, that actually fits.
DougMargaret Sanger changed the name of her organization from “Birth Control League” precisely because, after the fall of Nazi Germany, and the use of the term by the Nazis, she HAD to change the name.Margaret Sangers newsletter, Birth Control Review, spoke very highly of Hitlers Eugenics program.
When did she say she was a huge fan of Hitler as you claimed? When did she become a German as you claimed? America had a huge eugenics program which was financed by the U.S. government. Are you saying the United States was a big fan of Hitler?
You already lied about Hitler supporting abortion so why should I assume you are telling the truth this time? Shall I point you to another journal to show that you are lying about Sanger as well?
BTW Paul, the “American Birth Control League” as the group was called never shared a name with the Nazis because in Germany they don’t refer to their groups as American. Also, Sanger left the organization in 1928, before the Nazis rise to power.
Care to tell me another lie tonight?
Econ101,
Doug is game playing.
He is rewriting everything we say as exact opposite of what we actually wrote.
Don’t bother with him, he’s a world class loser.
I actually provide references Kansas. Care to provide me with some racist links to your belief that the Holocaust never happened? As usual you and Paul have been proven wrong.
DougThis is from the Harvard Law Library, the Neuremberg Trials Project.There are 10 different documents listing the forced abortions of women considered to be of “inferior” genetic stock as one of the crimes at Neuremberg trials:
http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php/hitskwds.php?display=0&SearchType=keywords&keywords=abortion&scope=anywhere&srch=Keywords&FieldFlag=9&DI=1&case_setting=AC&view_setting=A&display_setting=10
Do you consider Harvard Law School to be a right wing tool?
There were countless forced abortions performed.
More from the fit, less from the unfit, in Margaret Sangers words.
Where did I write that the Holocaust never happened Doug?
That’s right you can’t.
You are just playing word games.
Doug is lit up with some kind of drug Econ101, forget about conversing with this Tiller trained chimp.
Paul, the Jews weren’t considered German citizens. Kinda like how the Bush administration doesn’t consider the people in Guantamo POWs.
Looks like I’ll have to debunk you on Sanger. You probably won’t read this since it’s a published journal article that cites references:http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0014-7354(198501%2F02)17%3A1%3C44%3AWMSAR%3E2.0.CO%3B2-T
Some days it’s so easy Paul.
DougThis is What Wiki says about Margaret Sanger, Nazi fan and founder of Planned Parenthood:
“Sanger even gave a lecture on birth control to the women’s auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan in Silver Lake, New Jersey, a group she found so ignorant she had to use only “the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand.”[4] Sanger’s talk was well-received by the women’s auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan and as a result “a dozen invitations to similar groups were proffered.”[4] In September 1930, she received at home the Nazi anthropologist Eugen Fischer.[5][6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
Seems like the wingnuts and religous zealots have been especially desperate and vicious today, no?
It must just SUCK to be them.
Kansas, you ignored the entire existence of the Nuremburg laws and called my statement of the persecution of Jews as, “Doug’s fact, what a maroon.”
Have it as you will but as usual you and Paul have been outsmarted again. Perhaps if you read something other than Ann Coulter books.
Doug says Jews weren’t German Citizens. Perhaps he forgets that Jews have been in Germany before the Middle Ages.
I’ve seen what was left of the Jewish graves at Speyer and Worms which are hundreds of years old.
Paul, the KKK aren’t Nazis. Man, you just tell lie after lie don’t you? As usual you can’t even respond to the facts I present. Are you scared of reading facts Paul? Afraid too much education might make you liberal?
Looks to me like the entire republican field offers little choice.
The only choice is which theocrat would do the least amount of damage to the bill of rights. Self righteous pricks all.
Are we electing the next national preacher or the president of the United States?
Kansas, Holocaust Denier, the Nuremburg Laws revoked the citizenship of Jews in Germany. Why am I even bother to discuss anything with someone who denies the Holocaust? You truly are a waste of oxygen.
DougFirst of all, why not look at the war crimes that the Nazis were actually charged with?
Forced abortion is one of those crimes.
Not a single one of your links has proven you right on anything you have stated.
Now, you seem to want to retreat from previous statements.
You seem to forgive the Nazis for forced abortions of non Aryans, since, hey, you think we treat non POW enemy combatants the same way?
HUH?
DougYou lost.You act like a spoiled child in an argument, or a bitter spouse giving directions.
“the store is West of here”
” No the store is East”
” well I have to go west when I pull out of the driveway” Doug Says.
The spouse replies “We live on a dead end street, you have to go go West first, to get ANYWHERE from here.”
To which Doug replies “See, now you ADMIT it, the store West of here. Thanks for admitting your mistake.”
Doug keeps reciting the Nuremburg Laws as if they were legal.
But I guess if you are a Nazi lover like Doug it’s not a stretch.
Paul, all of a sudden you are concerned about the rights of terrorists and enemy combatants? That doesn’t sound like a follower of Bush. The Nazis didn’t think they were committing crimes because they were creationists and nationalists who saw Jews as non-Aryans were were infecting the German population. Since the anti-abortion laws only applied to German citizens, and the Nazis were busy exterminating the Jews and other people they didn’t like (liberals, gays, Communists and everyone the Republican party hates) it wasn’t considered a violation of German law. I guess that notion hasn’t sunk in yet.
I’m so glad you support putting the Bush regime on trial for their war crimes. Oh well, at least you aren’t a Holocaust denier like your buddy Kansas.
And Doug, You posted a link that you claimed PROVED Sanger was not a racist.
The link proved nothing.Then I post a link showing that Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, spoke to the KKK.
You then pounce on me because “the KKK are not Nazis”???? HUH?
Read to the bottom of that paragraph.
Because of Sangers outreach to the KKK, she also met with a Nazi Anthropologist, in his HOME!
Holocaust Denier, if the German government passes a law then it makes those laws legal. Oh geez, there I go wasting time explaining the obvious to the stupid. Go tattoo 88 to your forehead you stupid fascist.
It’s clear Holocaust Denier and Paul can’t address anything I present. It’s too bad. History is repeated by the ignorant.
Doug is a member of the American Nazi Party. His name can be found in the FBI files.
Not true you say Doug?
Then calling me a Holocaust Denier isn’t true as well.
I’ll keep repeating that you are a member of the American Nazi Party until you can learn to control yourself.
That will be on a daily basis.
Paul, what part of that article was in error? You post to anti-abortion websites that prove absolutely nothing. I link to a peer reviewed article that has numerous references. Hmmmm, somehow I don’t think we are on equal footing.
As expected you never actually read the article. Stop commenting on things you haven’t read like you actually know something about a topic.
DougThe leader of the SA was an open Homosexual.Hitler didnt give a rip about their sexual habits, in the SA, until the SA got too powerful for his tastes.Hitler only turned on Homosexuals in a power play, favoring the SS.
Can you prove it HD? Can I call you HD Holocaust Denier? Of course you can’t. You and Paul only know lies, that’s why you guys support Bush so much.
So Doug is admitting to being a member of the American Nazi Party.
“It is not necessary that you and I live, but it is necessary that the German people live. And it can live if it can fight, for life means fighting. And it can only fight if it maintains its masculinity. It can only maintain its masculinity if it exercises discipline, especially in matters of love. Free love and deviance are undisciplined. Therefore, we reject you, as we reject anything which hurts our people.
Anyone who even thinks of homosexual love is our enemy.”
That statement was made in 1928 by the Nazi party as their official stance on homosexuality. Looks like they held their anti-gay views for quite some time Paul.
As usual you have been proven wrong.
DougKansas never denied the Holocaust.
It is you, Doug, who has lied repeatedly on this thread.
Careful Econ101, Doug’s house is full of Nazi literature, he’s an expert on all things Nazi. It is his life and his creed. Doug is a member of the American Nazi Party after all.
So I’ve debunked three or four of Paul’s lies? And I’ve reduced HD down to just spamming the board with his troll posts.
Pretty good evening. I guess I’ll retire to a game of Call of Duty so I can continue the fantasy of shooting allies of Prescott Bush since none of them have any facts to present.
Econ101, you haven’t learned that the main premise of Libs is to lie.
I’ve figured that out a long time ago.
They will lie that they have lied. And on things that have been proven to them one day, they will state emphatic lies that was never proven.
Get used to Paul, Libs love to lie, they don’t know any rules, they just lie.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/huckabee-right.html#comment-91382510
That is probably the biggest load of Double Speak I have seen in recent days and weeks posted on this or any other Blog! Makes Karl Rove look semi-intellectual!
DougActions speak louder than words.
The trut is, what the Nazis or the Soviets put in writing does not tell the real story of their societies.
And, once again Doug, you are “proving” a fact that is not at issue.
I KNOW that Hitler turned on the Gays, eventually, he turned on nearly everyone, eventually.
At first, however, Hitler was happy for the help of prominent Gays, in gaining power for himself:
“The more or less open homosexuality of Röhm[1] and other SA leaders (such as Edmund Heines) along with the stormtroopers’ penchant for heavy drinking and street violence added to the SA’s notorious reputation in Germany.[citation needed] The SA was a political army, protecting the party leadership and terrorizing (primarily communist) opponents such as the Red Front. The SA’s street-wise use of intimidation contributed to the rise of the Nazis, first in Munich and later throughout Germany.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm
“So I’ve debunked three or four of Paul’s lies? And I’ve reduced HD down to just spamming the board with his troll posts.”_______
Time to take your Haldol, Doug. I’ll go pick it up for you if you’re out. I think you need to get some on board rather quickly.
You are well acquitted Doug.
Paulecon and kansas are lying scum.
Let’s have at it boys. I’m well versed in fighting bullies and liars.
You aren’t well equipped to do anything J R, except maybe be someone’s lawn boy.
I’m outta here for the night.
LOLJRGo wash your brown shirt first.I want you to look as presentable as possible, for the photo op after you lose, again.
Mc clure ran off.
What do you have Paul F Rosell? MORE lies?
Let’s dance Paulecon. You said you had an email about me.
let’s have you post it.
From time to time I HAVE to do this. So our readers can weed out the liars.
JRGo through this entire thread, just this one, and tell me where I lied, even once, would you please?
I did not.
Not once.
I have never lied on this Blog, on any thread, ever.
Furthermore, you are the biggest bully that post here, on a regular basis.
You used to send me emails telling me that I wouldnt last long, remember?
Threatening emails, as if you OWNED this Blog. You wanted me to quit posting, remember? If that is not “bullying” what is?.
Let’s dig the archives pauliecon.
I always kick your butt.
YOU whine and lie.
Feeling like a bookmark moment tonight Paul?
If you have emails from me, econ, POST them or invent them.
Two shots and already you are whining.
Is that an invitation econPaulFRosell?
I happily RSVP.
I’ll be glad to re-post your lies here.
JRYou know I deleted the email from someone who claimed to know you. I have no ability to prove that that person knew you, that person may have BEEN you, for all I know. I did assume that that person was telling the truth. But it could have been YOU, in which case, that person was lying, huh?
After all, YOU, JR, are the only person to ever email me, from this Blog.
I deleted most of your garbage, as well, but I have enough to prove that you did email me.
By the way, no matter what I have said about you, YOU, JR, have called me:
Convicted of Child EndangermentQueerChickenhawkMedically DischargedScab
All of the above are proven lies.
JR, I do truly pity you.
Your hatred has no justification.
NOBODY in your own political party really agrees with you.
Nobody in Congress wants to place land mines on our Mexican border, as you do.
Nobody in Congress wants to move all the Jews in Israel to Europe.
However, you get mad at ME for engaging you.
I guess that my “sin” is really granting you MORE respect than you deserve, JR.
Your fellow party members KNOW you are a nut, and they avoid you.
Why argue with a crazy person? That would just make your fellow Democrats crazy, as well.
Your fellow Democrats dont respect you, so they dont argue with you.
Even when you want to randomly kill Mexicans with land mines, but you dont respect the right of Israel to exist, let alone protect the Israeli border.
Nope, those Democrat officeholders say, to themselves, “JR is nuts, and it wont win any votes to change his mnid, and I might lose votes even associating with him. And, he is crazy, so why make him mad.”
I, on the other hand, treated you with initial respect and tried to argue with you.
I tried to give you some personal history, about myself, which you have abused, misstated and reconstructed to suit your own patholigical hatreds.
I gave you that history, about my past Union membership, my past Marine duty, my past legal victories, my past medical history, in order to meet you “half way” on a human level.
Your level of hatred and misery is appauling to me.
I felt sure that there must be a spark of humanity, down there somewhere.
Perhaps a shred of manhood that would allow you to admit that we had some things in common, but that I had come to different conclusions in MY life, faced with similar facts or circumstances.
Instead, you send threatening emails and you lie about me.
Lets try to talk about issues JR.
Lets try to avoid the personal stuff.
I think the entire Blog would appreciate a truce between us.
If not a truce, consider this notice: I will never address you, directly, again, until you do agree, in writing, to a “no personal attacks” rule, between us.
A bit threatening, eh, T H U G??
I think I would be careful, JR… That doesnt sound too good!
econPaul takes a pass.
He aint getting one.
Sigh….and “kansas” goes stealth nic.
That’s ok. I know him when I see him. More so than he imagines.
‘night kiddies.
Huckabee wouldn’t voice ( http://snipr.com/huckflair ) what his administration’s single top priority will be, noting that the most important items are tied together and must be pursued concurrently.
FairTax ( http://snipr.com/fthuckabeeonirs ) passage will stop penalizing our productivity and businesses ( http://snipr.com/tradeinquityblog ) and enable our companies to innovate and implement new energy technologies.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/huckabee-right.html#comment-91409068
Econ — many of those same attacks happen to me on a daily basis, and it seems to not bother you in the least… I am not saying that you and JR dont get into it personally… But I think perhaps if you are going to call for such a “truce” (good idea) that you might call for the same from many of the right wingers, who attack my vocation; my home ownership; my income; etc., etc., day after day here… If its OK for you to post about YOUR life, and YOUR circumstances, then it should be the same for anybody!!
That’s what Paul does.
He waits. Long time to compost paul or were you hoping I’d leave and let you have the floor?
No dice.
Scab? Yup you are. Sold out your union. I can find the posts to prove it.
Medically discharged? I think you said so yourself. It was a sore I think?
Accused of child endangerment? Yup you were. You just posted as to that on the Judge Kelly thread.
Yup I called you queer…for George bush. I don’t imagine your sick loyalty knows any sexual bounds.
And I may have emailed you. POST it! Or invent it. I invite the forum to put your reputation against mine.
Oh and truce econpaul?
Why? I have you at a disadvantage. In asking truce you admit that.
You make your living on having others at a disadvantage. Consider me your retribution.
I just want to say you heard it from me first.
TOP TIERThe top 3 republican candidates are, in no particuliar order, Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani and Mike Huckabee.
LONG SHOTSFred Thompson and John McCain will both call it quits in the near future as they have no momentum and are losing ground. Mitt Romney will keep spending his own money for a while but will find that he can’t catch Huckabee.
Remember, you heard it from me first.
Cleaner44Editor of http://www.thecaseforronpaul.com
I am disappointed that another person on this Blog has declined my offer of a truce.I will never respond to him again.However, most of you who have followed along know that his repeated insults, above, are FALSE.I am not a SCAB, meaning that I have NEVER crossed a picket line or attempted to break a strike. I voted against a strike, while a member of a Union, I prevailed at that meeting, the majority voted against a strike. However, later that evening, I was the victim of vandalism against my vehicle. For this, I am falsely called a “scab”?I was called a “chickenhawk” the definition of which is someone who openly supports the Military but never served, or who supports a Military venture but never served.I was Honorably Discharged from the United States Marine Corps.Yes, I do have a birth defect, an enlarged 3rd lumbar vertabrae. It caused a large bruise on my back, when carrying a cartridge belt, pack and a radio. That was my MOS, radioman!I refused a medical discharge. The Marines did not injure me! I had a birth defect that was not discovered until my actual service.Again, I was honorably discharged from the Reserves long after completing boot camp.I was NEVER charged with “child endangerment” — in fact, the KS SRS just recently named me as one of the few people qualified and allowed to care for a minor child, due to a protection order requested by the SRS.The malicious liable that this poster refers to was, actually, not a criminal matter at all, I was held in Civil Contempt of Court after I told kids to get OUT of the street, at abortionist George Tillers Clinic.
I have a motion, signed by Tillers attorney, clearly stating that I was never charged with any crime, and that no future charges, in the matter, were pending.As far as the Civil Contempt citatin issued by Judge Kelly?That citation was overturned by the 10th US Circuit Court of Appeals.I am one of only a few people, in history, to have a Civil Contempt Citation overturned.I think I am the ONLY person to have a erroneously entered “purge” finding overturned, in a Civil Contempt appeal.—-Oh, and I was sent several emails, by a JR Rimmel, asking me who was paying me to post, demanding that I quit posting, telling me I wouldnt last long, and telling me he knew were I lived. I deleted the vast majortiy of those emails sent by one JR Rimmel. Here, however, is one of them:——Mr Rosell.
I call you out.
You name the thread. You name the time.
I find you beneath contempt. I have worked from the very day youarrived on the forum to prove so. You have done nothing to prove mewrong.
From the tips of your fingers…..to the depths of a distant soul…..words touch hearts
type carefullyJ—-I find the bottom “type carefully” stuff rather weird, in that this guy sends some of the most threatening and outlandish emails, and posts some of the harshest stuff, I have ever read.
Anyway, this one was for the good of the Blog.
My offer of a truce was declined.
You now know what I have been dealing with.
He will, no doubt, try to bait me into a fight, but you all know, now that I have been telling the truth about him.
And you will understand why he must be ignored.
You already told him at least once Econ101 at this post, just in case J R forgot. :)
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/wrongly-suspect.html#comment-85644592