It seemed a bit much for a Maryland judge to order parents to have their children vaccinated or risk up to 10 days in jail. But 2,300 schoolchildren in Prince George’s County didn’t have the required vaccinations, or at least had parents who had failed to provide proof of the shots. What’s a school district to do? The threat proved effective: After Saturday, when scores of parents and kids showed lined up at the courthouse, only 900 kids were out of compliance.
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As odd as it may sound, you do have to give credit to those wanting accountability out of those being teachers and parents.But it is a shame that it had to come to this.
Gee, I wonder why someone would be opposed to spreading disease. I can’t think of a reason.
This raises the question … is anybody or any health agency paying attention to potential diseases that are being brought in by the illegal people who arrive every day on those buses from El Paso?
Tuberculosis, diptheria, scarlet fever, chicken pox, measles, mumps anyone?
I support this 100%. If you are going to have kids- or even a dog for that matter- you get the shots. A few lazy selfish people think they have the right to put at risk everybody else’s kids and it is time they be told that they do not. If you don’t want to get the shots then home school.
Nice to see that my own party are pushing for no parental choice in what happens to their children’s lives.
Shame on you all. As a parent ME AND ME ALONE has the right to make healthcare decisions for my child. THere are many good and valid reasons for not wanting to immunize. We have been through this before and MPS ran circles around your comments the other day, yet you ignore them.
What’s next? Government mandated exercise through a little box in your living room? War is peace.
I would go to jail for this. That is how strongly I feel about it and many others would too. Especially since he’s already damaged from the shots.
Ok, judge. 900 kids + 1800 parents. So now find a jail big enough to put them in. I love these smart guys making big threats. Never happen.
Ok, judge. 900 kids = 1800 parents. So now find a jail big enough to put them in. I love these smart guys making big threats. Never happen.
Nevermind, the law allows for parents to sign waivers there just like any other state for religious or medical purposes. So all they have to do is have the paperwork signed.
I have no problem with that. Although I’d like to see them add a waiver just based on objection.
U.S.A. = Fascism
We had whooping cough (pertussis) sweep through Wichita a few years ago because parents were ignoring their responsibility to get their kids vaccinated.
Even kids who were vaccinated years previously were coming down with the disease because they needed boosters.
My neice went deaf from a common childhood virus right before she was to be vaccinated for it (18 months). The medical community has since lowered the age for vaccinating against that disease.
Ignoring vaccinations puts EVERYONE at risk, not just the children who aren’t vaccinated.
The judge made the right call.
Ignore the specific facts of this and lets talk about the philosphy behind it.
At what point does the government have the right to mandate healthcare for a person?
In what circumstances can the government overrule a parent’s decision concerning their children’s wellbeing?
These are the things that must be talked about before the fact the case is about vaccinations should come into play.
All I have to say is Thimerosal=Autism. But of course, all of you that are gung-ho about making sure everyone takes these bio-warfare shots wouldn’t even know what Thimerosal is. How about researching the Tuskegee Experiments? Blind fools.
Thimerosal doesn’t cause autism. It’s only a scientific fact but don’t let that disrupt your crusade. Facts and fanatics don’t mix well.
I might add there is no law anywhere requiring vaccinations. It’s all “color of law” horse crap. If they make it seem like it’s law, you submit. And as for the waivers; it’s not like they lay them out in the open for you to pick up on your way to the needle.
“DO NOT QUESTION YOUR GOVERNMENT!!!” So said the ignorant fake conservatives.
Nothing has helped lessened the incidence of disease and improve public health more that immunization programs. My bias would always be in favor of them.
I found and read an old book by Authur E. Hertzler (the guy who founded the now defunct Hertzler Clinic in Halstead) called the “Horse and Buggy Doctor”. If you want a look into the world before vaccinations, read the book. It is fascinating. The link here has a few pages of text from it.
http://books.google.com/books?id=d_qOw1Hr1m8C&dq=the+horse+and+buggy+doctor&pg=PP1&ots=VYlFQYMUPa&sig=pP1lTqvIhSFvqPds3LYV1gZKfBc&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bhorse%2Band%2Bbuggy%2Bdoctor%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26aq%3Dt%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26client%3Dfirefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPA2,M1
If some folks had their way we’d still have smallpox, polio, typhoid and other epidemics going around killing millions. Damn the oppressive government for saving lives.
outlander – as one who was alive during the last polio epidemics I agree with you 100%. My Nurse mother told me a lot about it. Vaccinations have revolutionized public health.
JWink – yes, people are concerned about that issue.
The FULL STORY would be nice.
There are risks for any vaccine, which must be weighed against the risks of not vaccinating.
There are 2 questionable vaccines required by Maryland:
1. Hepatitis B
There is a fairly high risk with the Hepatitis B vaccine. And how many school children are at risk of catching Hepatitis B? I have 3 kids and did not choose to give them this vaccine.
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-hepatitis-b-.htm#Risks
2. Chicken Pox
Not much of a risk for the vaccine, but then again, Chicken Pox itself has hardly any risk.
However, some studies show less risk for Shingles, for those who have had Chicken Pox. So, a very mild virus like Chicken Pox, can help prevent a very serious virus which causes Shingles.
Y’all convicted these parents without knowing the facts.
You just want your Nanny State to tell you what to do all the time, and to give you Free Stuff.
And you pro-abortion people argue that you have the privacy right to control your own bodies, so it’s OK to kill babies.
But, it’s not OK to say NO to a potentially harmful vaccine – when the Gov’t wants to shoot you!
SHEEP!
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov19/0,4670,ShotsGettingTough,00.html
Maryland, like all states, requires children to be immunized against several childhood illnesses including polio, mumps and measles. In recent years, it also has required that students up to high school age be vaccinated against hepatitis B and chicken pox.
How about something like this you can wave the immunization requirements but if you or your kid get one of the diseases that you should have been inoculated against government health care Medicaid/Health-wave isn’t going to pay for your treatment
Tom – one concern (similar to JWink’s) is that unvacinated people can be vectors for desease to others.
Hey Doug, link me to your proof that Mercury (Hg) isn’t harmful to a person’s health and I’ll shut down my “crusade”.
So many kids have not had shots over the years that as a population we are likely to find out the effects of one of these Epidemics. Are they going to let the “guardians” of 900 kids risk another “plague”.??
This coming Thanksgiving reminds me of one thing. And that is, “what reasons would I have to not trust these seemingly benign vaccinations?” Well, all through my public education I was taught that the indigenous peoples of The New World introduced us to corn and we repaid their help through the harsh winters with Small Pox-laden blankets. Now under the auspices of good will and disease control, the opposite is taking place today.
God forbid the freedom of choice and individual liberty. If you are vaccinated you are ‘safe’. Survival of the fittest isn’t it?
“God forbid the freedom of choice and individual liberty. If you are vaccinated you are ‘safe’. Survival of the fittest isn’t it?”
Posted by: SolDevVB | November 20, 2007 at 01:29 PM
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“SolDevVB” –
The cliche is, “My individual liberty ends when my fist hits your nose.” And it’s relevant here.
Smallpox is irradicated, polio is a distant memory, typhus and whooping cough and tetanus and all sorts of illnesses are no longer widespread threats because of advances in medical science.
Your little “Survival of the fittest” snark will probably fall on deaf ears for those who depend on insulin to stay alive. Or are you advocating diabetes as a natural extention of weeding out the weakest of the herd?
“Your little “Survival of the fittest” snark will probably fall on deaf ears for those who depend on insulin to stay alive. Or are you advocating diabetes as a natural extention [sic] of weeding out the weakest of the herd?”
Does the government mandate that an individual take insulin or do they do it of their own free will?
We are still vaccinated against polio and typhus – those that CHOOSE to vaccinate. I have been vaccinated as has my son. The point that I address is a government agency demanding such.
As I am vaccinated against polio, I would rather not be around someone that is, but feel confident that my vaccination will protect me.
Long and short: I chose to be vaccinated. I chose to vaccinate my son. The government has no right to demand and infringe upon personal freedom.
When an insufficient percentage of the population is vaccinated, there is the risk of an epidemic. That is a big consideration when it comes to deciding whether to require certain vaccinations. The interest of public health could demand it.
Today’s so-called “conservatives” tend to forget the original Republic Party president became the greatest American President by believing in governmnet of, by, and for the *people.*
Today’s Republic Party advocates dearly want to make government an enemy. They want to make it an Us vs. Them issue.
I still belive… and live with, even when I disagree with “the government… in government of, by, and for the *people.*
It’s been corrupted by special interest groups, by corporate money, by media manipulation… but it’s still possible that we might be able to get a government worthy of our people.
I’m an optimist. The pesimists think that’s what we’ve got.
They might be right.
outlander – i agree. That, to me, is a big issue – ‘vectors’.
Very few conservatives left. Mostly NeoCons. Big government – total control. Kind of like an off kilter Liberal agenda.
Conservatives believe in small government, state’s rights, individual liberty, freedom, The constitution.
Ron Paul may be the only conservative running this year.
I’m with Ben and outlander on this one. There should be waivers for religious reasons and for legitimate medical reasons, but I’m biased in favor of the mandatory nature of these programs.
In a way I have to chuckle. As I noted above my mother was a nurse and had been through epidemics ‘in the old days.’ She was a real hawk on vaccinations; hounded me a bit when my son was born. She had seen the iron lungs etc.
There’s some evidence that vaccines are a vector causing autism. Aside from those type a concerns i see no reason to refuse vaccicianatons and as I Stated above if you elect to not get vaccinated for what reason( god told you not to, whatever) and you then get a disease the would have been prevented by the vaccine then you have to pay for out of your own pocket not rely of government or insurance. Its preventive medicine at its simplest getting sick with measles,mumps,polio is expensive vaccinations aren’t
We are going to feel the effects of an epidemic soon enough, regardless if we have the vaccinations or not as the influx of illegals coming from the south don’t have any documentation let alone mandatory immunizations. There are so many cases of TB within this group now that it could be called an “epidemic” now. On another epidemic that seems less important, bees. The insect that pollinates all of our fruits and veggies are mysteriously disappearing.
Touching on the autism issue – and I am NOT an expert here – I have to wonder about the wisdom of a mercury preservative. In this country at least we have good refrigeration and fast shipping available. I don’t know that such a preservative should be needed here.
In remote places i might be able to see the need for such preservatives and would factor that into risk/benefit. But probably not here.
New Anti-Liberal Vaccine to be Mandated by Government
Violators Will Go To Jail
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677871/posts
So, a very mild virus like Chicken Pox, can help prevent a very serious virus which causes Shingles.
Uh, Max . . . the virus that causes chicken pox is exactly the same virus that causes shingles the varicella-zoster virus (VZV), also known as human herpes virus 3 (HHV-3) (Wiki).
But I encourage you to avoid any shots, particularly when you visit third world countries with endemic cholera and typhus.
Every study done doesn’t show a link between Thiomersal and autism. It seems only the anti-vaccine nuts claim there is a connection although there is no grounds in scientific data.
# ^ Hviid A, Stellfeld M, Wohlfahrt J, Melbye M (2003). “Association between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism”. JAMA 290 (13): 1763–6. PMID 14519711.
# ^ Andrews N, Miller E, Grant A, Stowe J, Osborne V, Taylor B (2004). “Thimerosal exposure in infants and developmental disorders: a retrospective cohort study in the United kingdom does not support a causal association”. Pediatrics 114 (3): 584–91. doi:10.1542/peds.2003-1177-L. PMID 15342825.
# ^ Verstraeten T, Davis RL, DeStefano F et al. (2003). “Safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines: a two-phased study of computerized health maintenance organization databases”. Pediatrics 112 (5): 1039–48. PMID 14595043.
# ^ Heron J, Golding J, ALSPAC Study Team (2004). “Thimerosal exposure in infants and developmental disorders: a prospective cohort study in the United kingdom does not support a causal association”. Pediatrics 114 (3): 577–83. doi:10.1542/peds.2003-1176-L. PMID 15342824.
# ^ Madsen KM, Lauritsen MB, Pedersen CB et al. (2004). “Thimerosal and the occurrence of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data”. Pediatrics 112 (3): 604–6. PMID 12949291.
# ^ Thompson WW, Price C, Goodson B et al. (2007). “Early thimerosal exposure and neuropsychological outcomes at 7 to 10 years”. N Engl J Med 357 (13): 1281–92. PMID 17898097. Lay summary – NNii (2007).
# ^ Fombonne E, Zakarian R, Bennett A, Meng L, McLean-Heywood D (2006). “Pervasive developmental disorders in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: prevalence and links with immunizations”. Pediatrics 118 (1): e139–50. doi:10.1542/peds.2005-2993. PMID 16818529
I can bolster my stance just as easy, you can’t shrug me off with the typical nut-defense you have. I’ll give you just one here so all can read the article, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/22/eveningnews/main625458.shtml
There many more.
Nice try, keep it simple next time.
Doug, have you taken the vaccine for Hepatitis B?
What I don’t understand is why do they put mercury in them? As I asked above – refrigeration etc should render that unneeded.
Vaccinate Hepatitis A and/or hepatitis B
Who: Men Who Have Sex With Men (MSM), Injection Drug Users (IDU), HIV infected persons, incarcerated persons, High-Risk Heterosexuals (HRH)
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/resource/PDFs/hiv_comm_planners.pdf
You in this risk group Doug?
Once again, those who choose government (both so called conservatives and liberals) call for mandantory treatment for the good of all. How about mandantory excercise, for the good of all on insurance costs. How about mandantory quick smoking for the same and environmental health reasons. How about mandantory nonalcholic drinks because of the higher costs. It;s the same bs. You want control over others, for the benefit of all. Fine, but then don’t bitch about it when others when control over abortion, drug use, and on and on. It’s all about control. I believe in vaccinations. Like my dog, myself, my spouse, and our children have all “had our shots”. Mandantory immunization is just another control mechanism. You just think it’s best.
Critical fact on Hep B vaccination. You can’t get Hep B without having sexual intercourse or sharing needles for IV drugs, primarily heroin and meth, with Hep B infected people. So all public schoolchildren in Maryland are expected to at some point do these things? What behaviors are Maryland public schools promoting?
Interesting fact, the prosecuting attorney decided to violate the school policy by denying his own children Hep B vaccine “protection”. So he must go to jail, because A. he didn’t file a religious exemption form, and B. his kids’ pediatrician did not find a reason why his children were at greater risk than other children from vaccine side effects. The prosecuting attorney and wife made their own ad hoc decision, but denied this power to “the little people”.
http://www.aapsonline.org/press/nr-11-16-07.php
MPS-
I know your a doctor and all, but didn;t you oversimplify your case. The truth is that HepB can be transferred by body fluids, in particular blood, which is often in attendance in school playards through accident. Am I right?
Clarification: in the past, Hep B-infected drug addicts sold their blood to for-profit blood banks and contaminated our blood supply, but modern testing has eliminated this risk of transmission.
The truth is that HepB can be transferred by body fluids, in particular blood…
Posted by: littlejohn
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Correct. This provides a strong motivation for all healthcare workers to get the Hep B vaccine. Most hospitals and clinics encourage their employees to be vaccinated, and some require it. Hep B is a particularly virile virus, and can survive outside the body for some period of time, unlike like HIV, which is a much more fragile.
Duane, CBS News is not a science journal. I’m sure if you go back you can read stories about CBS reporting on satanic ritual abuse, sightings of the virgin mary in food, how monkey pox is going to destroy the world and other nuttery.
Perhaps if you read the CBS article and compared it to the study you’ll notice the flaws in the article. The article reported the effects of mercury but the study did not include mercury as Thiomersal isn’t completely mercury. Also, according to the study not all mice were affected by the vaccine which the article failed to report.
So read up on the issue before spreading your propaganda around.
Max, what is your obsession with me and hepatitis? I don’t have hepatitis much less any STD so you can stop fantasizing about me.
I dated a nurse who was getting Hep B shots. From what I understand they were given in a series. Don’t recall how many, more than three rings a bell.
She stated because she worked in an Infectious Disease Ward, that “needle stick” injury could happen and she was just using preventive measures.
So much for the Hep B vax. I had my first series of 3 shots in 1992. By 2000, my titer tested that I had little immunity. So was I to take three more shots?
Geez, more expertise from Kansas on yet ANOTHER subject!!
Doug you’re wrong wrong wrong. Don’t argue with someone who has a child affected by this. I can promise you I’ve done WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more research on this subject than you.
As for the mice, well that coincides with human cases now doesn’t it? Only some humans end up with the symptoms, whereas others dont. It isn’t just autism that we think it is affecting either, it’s all the neurological disorders which are on the rise.
Even the CDC has backed off its stance that shots don’t cause autism. Of course, that was after their own members told on them for skewing results of their research.
You can look that up too.
Yeah PM, I did look it up and moved beyond the pseudoscience. The only study referenced here:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/9300.php
says that those mice with autoimmune disease were affected by the vaccine. That’s a far cry from claiming vaccines cause autism. That’s why not scientific or medical organization has supported the claim of the paranoid anti-vaccine crowd. On the other hand the nutters have some celebrity endorsements but that’s as convincing as Michael Jordon endorsing a brand of underwear.
Having a pre-existing condition that makes it difficult to break down compounds does not mean the vaccine causes autism. If it did then it would affect those without the disorder. It’s simple science.
Geez, more expertise from Kansas on yet ANOTHER subject!!
Posted by: Chas. | November 20, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Yeah Chas, dating a nurse who was taking Hep B shots is expertise.
What a maroon.
Yeah, I’m just a nudder nutter. What makes your study infallible? Fact is, no one “knows” the adverse potential of the vaccines. “Simple science” is about averages and we being unique individuals, shouldn’t be standardized for a one size fits all shot. And it damn well shouldn’t be forced on us like some eugenics, Treblinka order. These tests are controlled and paid for by your “loving” government, they could say that drinking anti freeze is nutritious and you’d buy that too. The same government that says that these vaccines are safe is the government that told everyone in NYC that the “air is fine” a week after the towers fell (never mind all the asbestos and other toxins all around). Now those same heroes on 9-11 can’t breathe and are dropping like flies. This “propaganda” you say that I’m spewing is nothing but reality. Ask someone with an autistic child how old the baby was when the autism was diagnosed. I’m sure they’ll say around 18 mos for the MMR shots. But I’m no doctor, just a reader and absorber of history. And apparently a “nutter” as well.
“”"Ignore the specific facts of this and lets talk about the philosphy behind it.
At what point does the government have the right to mandate healthcare for a person?”"”
They have an absolute right to mandate healthcare for minors. Minors cannot make choices abouyt such things and parents often do not make the right choices. There are parents that believe in weird relgious dogma that would deny their children any healthcare and let them die of a simple infection if we let them. If they refuse the shots, haul them off to jail!
It was the preservative (thermisol?) that was blamed for the problems with the vacines..then I heard it was just one “bad batch” that caused the problems. All I know is that they once claimed that hormone replacement therapy didn’t increase the incidence of breast cancer..then after a record number of women came down with it (including me) they said “oops” and changed their stance…I don’t trust the drug companies or the government to give us reliable information about anything..and I think it should be up to the parent to decide about immunizations, either way there are risks involved. Kind of like being stuck between a rock and a hard spot.
Kev, parents can’t refuse life saving medical care for their kids…the state will take custody in those situations. Refusing immunizations is not considered life threatening to a child.
Ultimately what we need is some good solid research as to what it is that actually causes autism.
One of the reasons so many get so upset when parents refuse immunizations for their children is because of prior year’s experiences with such groups as the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Christian Science, and old John Birchers, and other “backwoodsy” pentecostal groups who wont even use doctors (herbalists with a Bible)…
For many, that is what runs through their minds when they hear of parents refusing vaccines for their kids.
I would like to see some more hard science relating the use of vaccines directly to autism, or MR/DD, or any other such thing…
For example, if one child in a family becomes autistic, and no others do, and all had the same vaccines, then that might be significant…
OR — if all the children in a household have vaccines, and ALL of those children become autistic.
OR — is autism another kind of a “birth defect” — perhaps triggered by certain vaccines??
I just dont know if we have the hard science to know those answers at this point.
Autism is a heartbreaker for ANY family… I have seen it up close and personal in my own family members… It is very devastating for the child, and the parents as well… not to mention the effects on the non-affected children…
I would only hope that our Congressional representatives would see fit to spend some money on the subject, and fund some major hard science studies…
But, alas, we are too interested in fighting some phantom war, to be interested in our own children!!
I think Doug maybe a drug rep for Eli Lilly.
Gee, cant you at least accuse him of being with a GOOD company?? Like Phizer, or Smith/Kline/Beachem??? LOL
kansas is right about Hep B and emergency workers. Exposure to blood even without a ‘needle stick’ can transmit the desease. Loot at your fingers; how often are there small ‘trivial’ cuts there? Those can be the opening.
As for autism I tend toward caution – that is in my nature because of my background. That is why I have made the comments I have made about mercury. I’d like to see us all get away from ‘Bircher’-type worries and focus on the science. And, in this case, I will say I just don’t know.
As a matter of fact, why not Google “Eli Lilly and Thimerosal”. Lots of lawsuits and admissions and Dubya people everywhere. Now that’s nutty.
Homeland Security Act of 2002. “The Eli Lilly Protection Act” makes for good reading, I’m sure.
Doug, you never did answer my question.
YOU say all kids should be forced by Government to get the Hepatitis B vaccine, yet you refuse to answer whether YOU have taken this vaccine yourself.
It would be very hypocritical of you to say that Government should require all kids to get this vaccine if you haven’t taken it yourself.
Doug, you also refused to answer why you would take such a vaccine. The CDC recommends the Hepatitis B vaccine for those in the following groups:
Who: Men Who Have Sex With Men (MSM), Injection Drug Users (IDU), HIV infected persons, incarcerated persons, High-Risk Heterosexuals (HRH)http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/resource/PDFs/hiv_comm_planners.pdf—–
Excuse me Max, but all heathcare professionals who do hands on care are expected to get the Hep B vacine..it’s not just recommended for high risk groups of people.
Health care professionals ARE in a high risk group.
You should know that.
In fairness, Max, the link you provided seems targeted at a narrow audience. Also on the CDC’s website were listed these at-risk people:
You are at increased risk of HBV infection if you:
* have sex with someone infected with HBV
* have sex with more than one partner
* shoot drugs
* are a man and have sex with a man
* live in the same house with someone who has chronic (long-term) HBV infection
* have a job that involves contact with human blood
* are a client in a home for the developmentally disabled
* have hemophilia
* travel to areas where hepatitis B is common
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/faqb.htm
I’m not considered as “high risk”, Max. And your insinuation was that those who are recommended by the CDC for the Hep B immunization engage in high risk behaviors, which I do not, not do many others who should get the vaccine.
Thanks David, I saw that too.
And that adds even more support to my argument, that kids should not be required to have this vaccine, at least not under age 12 or so, if at all.
And most adults are not in those risk groups. Married people who don’t fool around, or single people who aren’t very lucky, should not be required to get this vaccine.
And the downside risk of the Hepatitis B does not even compare to the downside risk of Small Pox or Polio, such comparisons were made by many on this blog.
Millions or even Thousands won’t die if the Government does NOT mandate this vaccine.
And there is risk (known and unknown) in every vaccine.
I posted yesterday that the risk of any vaccine needs to be compared to the risk of the virus, before a decision is made by Government to mandate it’s use.
Few got this point. Most want to trust Government and DO whatever Government tells them to do.
Freedom is not perceived to be very important today.
The government is in the pockets of the drug companies, you can bet that’s how many vacines get mandated, like the HPV vacine.
Interesting comments here. The regular batch of rightwingnuts who want to make decisions for everyone else – they do not want anyone making decisions for them. Well, these aren’t about decisions for YOU. These are public health concerns.
More research needs to be conducted on the outcomes of children who put populations of their peers and the greater community at risk. Much can has been written that childhood innoculations are related tothe increase in diseases and disorders in children. Also, if a child is not innoculated but goes to school in a classroom where everyone else is – is there a risk? Just questions that I have.
Still – the populations of conservative rightwingers that want to regulate me, my healthcare and the healthcare and access to healthcare for my family have some nerve to whine about not wanting to comply with national and state guidelines for innoculations for their own children.
On a related note – in recent years there have been outbreaks of TB and Hepatitis in populations of exotic dancers in Wichita. The unsuspecting bachelor party dudes went to the clubs and got slobbered and coughed on and went back home to their middle class families. There were little clusters of TB and Hepatitis.
On a related note – in recent years there have been outbreaks of TB and Hepatitis in populations of exotic dancers in Wichita. The unsuspecting bachelor party dudes went to the clubs and got slobbered and coughed on and went back home to their middle class families. There were little clusters of TB and Hepatitis.
Posted by: Lonnie | November 21, 2007 at 09:07 AM
Interesting info Lonnie. And you know this how?
The government is in the pockets of the drug companies, you can bet that’s how many vacines get mandated, like the HPV vacine.Posted by: Mary Caruso | November 21, 2007 at 09:04 AM
Good point Mary, and the HPV fiasco is another example of this.
Drug companies lobby at the state and Federal level to push these vaccines.
And those like Lonnie not only want a Nanny state, but want an all-powerful all-controlling Nanny state where people are Free only when Government says they are Free.
And Lonnie, no one every accused Mary of being a rightwing nut before.
Ah troll-boy……………..that was news in the Eagle.
What an idiot.
Ah troll-boy……………..that was news in the Eagle.
What an idiot.
Posted by: Apophis | November 21, 2007 at 09:14 AM
So he got this from an secondary source.
So everything I read in the paper about Teachers’ Unions is true then.
Right Apophis? :)
Lennie says:
The regular batch of rightwingnuts who want to make decisions for everyone else – they do not want anyone making decisions for them. Well, these aren’t about decisions for YOU. These are public health concerns.
More research needs to be conducted on the outcomes of children who put populations of their peers and the greater community at risk. Much can has been written that childhood innoculations are related tothe increase in diseases and disorders in children. Also, if a child is not innoculated but goes to school in a classroom where everyone else is – is there a risk? Just questions that I have.——————————————————————–
Lennie says we should comply with the Government Mandate for vaccines, BUT more reesearch needs to be done.
Brilliant! Brilliant! Lennie, let your kids be the guinea pigs! Mine will NOT be.
“Lonnie” asks:
“…if a child is not innoculated but goes to school in a classroom where everyone else is – is there a risk?”
Yes, Lonnie, there’s still a risk for the uninnoculated. Pathogens still exist. The point of immunity isn’t that viruses and other bugs go away, but that the vaccinated become immune to those encountered in environment.
Over an extended amount of time, some disease seem to disappear. Smallpox was virtually extinct after about a century of routine innoculations. But new strains have been discovered in some areas of the world.
Max – let me dumb it down for ya big fella. Research still needs to be completed (according to the research I have been reading – medical research not rants from cave dwellers) regarding what are the implications of children who are not immunized – are they a “danger” to those who are not? This might scare ya Max but a lot of children of undocumented workers are not immunized until they start school in the US, coupled with your kids and the kids of other paranoid folk, there are possible risks to the immunized folk.
I am sure research will continue into immunizations – it needs to Max. Our country chucks massive amounts of cash into research. Here is something that will shock you – organisms EVOLVE.
Max, I never said the government should force people to take the hepatitis B vaccine. Perhaps you should stop being a moron and obsessing about my penis.
Doug, I couldn’t care less about your body parts.
You insult those who don’t immunize their kids against Hepatitis B, when YOU yourself won’t take this vaccine.
Or, if you have taken this vaccine, then you must be in one of the high risk groups, because you wouldn’t foolishly get a vaccine you didn’t need, would you? Of course not. Only a sheep would do that.