Evolution is off the agenda of the Kansas State Board of Education these days, thank goodness, but a satirical “religion†inspired by the state’s science curriculum wars — Flying Spaghetti Monsterism — is on the agenda of the American Academy of Religion meeting in San Diego. The title of the Monday panel discussion led by three University of Florida scholars is “Evolutionary Controversy and a Side of Pasta: The Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Subversive Function of Religious Parody.†The event is not all in fun; examining the deity of “Pastafarians†is a way to ponder what defines a religion.
Meanwhile, just in time for Christmas, you can buy your own FSM tree ornament (in photo).
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Integrity of Kansas Elections Less Important to IRS than “Privacy Rights” of Groups Abusing Non-Profit Laws
The IRS is ignoring the rights of the citizens of Kansas to know anything about the two non-profit groups that spent almost $450,000 in the 2006 elections. There’s something very wrong when a “non-profit” only exists to send political mailings in the weeks before an election, yet no one at the IRS seems to care. Why is the IRS hiding information from the public about who is really behind these “non-profits”? Yesterday an IRS official claimed there is NO APPEAL to such information requests and no information will ever be released about these non-profits.
There’s something very wrong when a “non-profit” only exists to send political mailings in the weeks before an election, yet no one at the IRS seems to care. This is a corrupt system and violation of equal protection under federal laws, whether or not this is technically legal according to the IRS.
Sorry, posted the above to wrong thread — thought I was in Open Thread. Preview doesn’t show main title.
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Just another day of the WE Blogs biased views on Christianity.
Pastafarianism, the craze that is sweeping America. Naturally there will be mockers of the one, true religion as there are always those who don’t like meatballs and pirates.
Ramen.
It’s too bad the ornaments are so expensive. I really wanted one.
I’ll save my flame for Meadowsqualk’s post to the appropriate thread.
Send flames to /dev/nul
Posted by: Kansas Meadowlark | November 17, 2007 at 01:12 AM
Heh. . .it’s usually two l’s, but I get it.
Nathan a tree is but a tree till seen through new eyes, also God and the spaghetti monster are on equal footing till one believes in either one. You would mock the concept of a giant flying spaghetti monster being the creator of all things. You can not see it, there is no evidence you can put your hands on. And those believing in it can only point to it existence through random things that could be interrupted another way. That is how we Christians are seen, so until those that are nonbelievers have their “new eyes”. What else can they do but bash us when those who say they are Christian are wanting our believes taught as fact. Or even taught along side the accept explanation for the existence of things. To them it is as if WE are wanting the same treatment given the Spaghetti monster.
Faith is anti-logic, that is why it is the miracle of faith….
So how is this news worthy of anyone’s time and attention? Seems the Eagle is running out of ideas for this blog.
James I guess they just can’t be shooting bullseyes all the time. once in awhile they have to stop and reload.
Hate speech is okay Rhonda as long as it is directed towards Christianity?
Isn’t that right Rhonda?
I understand the background of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and it was a philosophical “toy” word for the non-intellectual class of the Libs.
Give the Libs a “bumper sticker” slogan so they can show their hatred with colorful metaphor, irrelevant sloganism and inflammatory remarks is all the Libs need to continue a debate filled with irrelevancy.
Odd that that those of “science” would use the antithesis of syllogism to make their (points.)
I have no problem with keeping Creationism out of schools and most Christians I know have the same opinion.
However, it’s campaigns like the “Flying Spaghetti Monster” that keep hate and prejudice active in the foreground.
Perhaps the founders of the “Flying Spaghetti Monster” failed to recognize by using Bertrand Russell philosophy which is -
“I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world”
- the (FSM’s promoters) are responsible for consistent “hate” speech against those who want nothing more than to practice their faith.
So if Libs want to embrace “hate” as their main theme in life, then the context and manner of their speech will never be accepted by those who think malicious parody is harmless.
Amazing those who think they argue using logic actually use a cascading “domino effect” of soritic spoof domains which in the end defeats the very premise on which their arguments are based.
But hey, what can you expect from the crowd that thinks “The Daily Show” is real news.
Yawn. . . . (watches the straw-man get knocked over, again).
I have a favorite deity:
He is an old man with a beard, he sees into the human heart and knows the deeds of the good and evil; he is aware that we are conscious, but is aware that sometimes we are not.
I cannot see him, but I can ask him in the privacy of my room to help me with my material needs. Sometimes he may respond, but sometimes it is his will not to do so. He is, of course, able to perform supernatural acts.
All of this is contingent, of course, upon belief. One must have intense faith and under no circumstances deny his existence, lest he withdraw his favor.
His holy name?
Santa Claus. And there is as much evidence for him as there is for the Magna Mater, Osiris, old YHVH or Jesus.
Ah, yes. The miracle of faith. Belief without evidence. I remember when I used to do that, too.
I LOVE it!
I want one of those ornaments for the top of my Saturnalia tree.
Define love Fiore.
Can you package up “love” in a box and sell it?
Can you keep a plastic wrapped symbol of “love” or should I say “lust” in your wallet to bring out in times of passion?
Love around the world?
What exactly is that? Can you grip it, touch it or even see it.
Is a smile on a face always love?
Did you believe that Al Gore or John Kerry were going to win their respective Presidential elections?
Has your smashed “beliefs” caused your faith to festering into a never ending bilge of empty philosophical waste?
Do you “trust” anyone? What exactly is that “trust?”
Do you have to believe in trust in order for it to work?
Can you trust that I’m actually the same poster writing these comments or am I a “poser” utilizing the intricacies of cyber mechanisms distorting reality.
If I am a “poser” what does that do to your belief system that nothing can be trusted?
You do believe don’t you Fiore?
Oh wait, I think there is someone calling you to make your placements on “Fantasy Football.”
You know that isn’t real right? Perhaps you can set aside your beliefs for that as well.
Do you believe in reality? What is reality?
Is reality the same here as it is where there are no people?
“Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise (argument) to be true without necessarily being able to adequately prove their main contention to other people who may or may not agree.” wikipedia
Can you “prove” everything you say Fiore, or do you just have to “believe” it is true.
Give the scientific basis for the concept of nothingness.
Or do you have to believe that something that doesn’t really exist has a label and therefore must exist because there is the concept of it?
Pack up some “nothing” and give it as a Holiday gift.
I’m sure your friends will believe that your intentions were purely scientific and logical.
Just another day of the WE Blogs biased views on Christianity.
Posted by: Nathan | November 17, 2007 at 01:14 AM
Get over yourself Nathan!
This persecution complex is very un-becoming of you.
Ramen
Ah yes! A Kansas nut-case product. I’m so proud.
What makes a religion anyway? Can pastafarianism be considered as one? IMHO, this can be interesting to see the rise of an alternative faith. Wasn’t Christian first seen as yet another cult within Judaism in the Roman Empire?
Ironically I just finished watching a video on youtube about Islam V culture, the author points out how parents make the mistake of not teaching true Islam by mixing their old country customs and culture with bits of Islam. An example he gave was that Islam teaches to treat your wife with respect, but the old culture teaches to stand over your wife. Then the parent freaks when their daughter accepts feminism teachings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3ol-iuCGU&feature=related
Religion is like that, taking true faith and mixing in cultural ideas that is why there are more then one form of Christianity. Turning it into more a cult then a path of God, cherry picking verse to suit your own believe and point. The Gay issue is a classic example, the passages that state the evil of homosexuality are directed to only those of the faith. If you are a believer then you shall not do this, but your faith must come first before obedience to God’s law. Every Religion see’s the others as a cult.
Faith in God is not anti-logic. Faith in God is anti-fear. Where faith abounds, there can be no fear.
Faith is pro-hope. Faith is knowing that you are not alone and set adrift in a tough and cynical world. That there is One who knows you and loves you.
If you want to know Him, I can help. My email is e_state78@yahoo.com.
“For ______ so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son …”
1. Zeus2. Thor3. Judeo-Christian God4. Ra5. Darth Vader
Fill in the blank with whatever. They’re all the same.
“Hate speech is okay Rhonda as long as it is directed towards Christianity?
Isn’t that right Rhonda?
I understand the background of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and it was a philosophical “toy” word for the non-intellectual class of the Libs.”
Re: Kansas
Hypocrisy is the intentional weapon of a troll.
DNFTT
“Just another day of the WE Blogs biased views on Christianity.”
Oh stop it.
Being critical of Christian conservatives who try to dilute the teaching of evolutionary science in schools (with great success, BTW, never mind the court casts) is NOT the same as being anti-Christian. Many Christians are every bit as strong in their opposition to anti-evolution/creationism as non-Christians. I remember the message board on University Methodist Church on 21st Street saying “Evolution IS God’s Plan”.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a parody of certain kinds of religious/political behavior. It is not in and of itself “anti-Christian”.
Wasn’t there a FSM sighting/incident here in Wichita a few years back?
I think Nathan and Kansas need to get a sense of humor..just because some find the FSM amusing doesn’t mean they “hate” Christians or Christianity.You both take yourselves way too seriously.
Do you want some real scientific fun with in depth analysis of the religion of evolution as practiced by members of the Church of Darwin, then visit http://www.creationsafaris.com/news if you dare!
All spaghetti lovers are welcome.
As we decorate our Saturnalia tree let us realize its origins – not Middle Eastern but European:
Germanic tribesPatron trees (for example, the Irminsul, Thor’s Oak and the figurative Yggdrasil) held special significance for the ancient Germanic tribes, appearing throughout historic accounts as sacred symbols and objects. According to Adam of Bremen, in Scandinavia the Germanic pagan kings sacrificed nine males (the number nine is a significant number in Norse mythology) of each species at the sacred groves every ninth year.[2]
According to Church records, Saint Boniface (who, also according to Church records, had felled the Thor’s Oak) attempted to Christianise the indigenous Germanic tribes by introducing the notion of trinity by using the cone-shaped evergreen trees because of their triangular appearance.[3]
RomeRoman mosaics from what is today Tunisia, showing the mythic triumphant return from India of the Greek god of wine and male fertility, Dionysus. The god carries a tapering coniferous tree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree
I am sure the originators of the Tree celebration will welcome Pastafarians to the celebration.
You have two choices in life, believe in a Creator, or believe that the universe has always existed. Both require faith. Evolution only deals with life from point of a living reproducing cell. I believe that students should have to deal with theories of what took place before the first living cell.
I agree. And one thing that I have never seen in science is the answer to “Who lit the fuse?”
What makes the FSM anti-Christian?
I have not seen anything in the realm of Pastafarianism that is ANTI any religion!
Why are some Christians offended by the “religion” of Pastafarianism?
There are many more commercials on TV and Radio for Pasta than there are for GOD, or for churches.
The FSM is as viable an explation for ID as any other explanation.
ID is all hung up on “origins” instead of the actual scientific pursuits of “origins of the species” –
Conclusion:
Perhaps we should re-introduce the art of “reading comprehension” and perhaps the rest will fall into place.
Christmas trees should be banned – they are Pagan:
“Jeremiah 10:1-5 in the Bible says the following (NIV):
1 Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel.
2 This is what the LORD says: “Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the sky,though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.
5 Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.”
This is interpreted by some Christians as referring to a Christmas tree, and that therefore the Bible would explicitly forbid the practice. However, the more common interpretation is that the passage refers to idol worship, and it is the practice of making an object out of wood, silver, and gold, and then worshiping that idol which is pagan.”
Ben, you would be amazed at how many churches dont use a Christmas Tree in their buildings, for the very verses you cite above… Of course it doesnt refer to a Christmas Tree… But dont tell them that!! As I said, reading comprehension is most important!!
Perhaps we should re-introduce the art of “reading comprehension” and perhaps the rest will fall into place.
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Or understand that FSM is based on Bertrand Russell’s anti-Christian philosophical views.
Ben, you would be amazed at how many churches dont use a Christmas Tree in their buildings, for the very verses you cite above… Of course it doesnt refer to a Christmas Tree… But dont tell them that!! As I said, reading comprehension is most important!!
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Or because it does not celebrate the true meaning of Christmas.
I don’t recall Xmas trees being mentioned in the “New” Testament as symbolic for the Christ child.
Or understand that FSM is based on Bertrand Russell’s anti-Christian philosophical views.
Posted by: Kansas | November 17, 2007 at 11:21 AM
===========================Do you have some link, or source, for that statement?? I dont see the FSM that way at all… And I spent a good deal of time with Russell a number of years ago..
“Or understand that FSM is based on Bertrand Russell’s anti-Christian philosophical views.”
I know, I know, I am giving at least a spoonful of soup here but…
Kansas, you made me laugh.
Point and laugh, yes, but laugh nevertheless.
Now back to:
Re: Kansas
DNFTT
(bad me! slaps hand. baaaad!)
I dont recall ANY references in the NEW Testament as being symbolic of the Christ CHILD, per se…
And I spent a good deal of time with Russell a number of years ago..
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 11:26 AM
From your previous entries Chas, I got the impression that you and I were about the same age.
Since Bertrand Russell died in 1970, what was it you “did” with him as a teenager?
Re: my last post re: Kansas
It would accurately be described as a troll post.
So don’t reinforce me for it.
DNFTT
Who said I spent time with Russell as a teenager?? and you??
Re: my last post re: Kansas
It would accurately be described as a troll post.
So don’t reinforce me for it.
DNFTT
Posted by: ksagnostic | November 17, 2007 at 11:30 AM
??
I never responded to any of your posts.
Are you claiming that you and Chas are the same person?
Kansas, that was a pretty silly comment on your part… seeing as we are in that same “age bracket” as you say… Your posts imply you also spent time with Mr. Russell… ROFL!!!
OK OK DNFTT!!! I see where this is headed… AGAIN!!
Do you have some link, or source, for that statement?? I dont see the FSM that way at all… And I spent a good deal of time with Russell a number of years ago..
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Spending time with someone means physical presence with said person.
That is much different that stating you spent a lot of time reading or studying Bertrand Russell.
Did you catch yourself in a lie Chas and had to figure out how to back peddle really quick?
“Are you claiming that you and Chas are the same person?”
Re: Kansas
DNFTT
Due to its recent popularity and media exposure, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is used by atheists, agnostics (known by Pastafarians as “spagnostics”), and others as a modern version of Russell’s teapot.[6]
Russell’s teapot, sometimes called the Celestial Teapot, was an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), intended to refute the idea that the burden of proof lies upon the sceptic to disprove unfalsifiable claims of religions. In an article entitled “Is There a God?”,[1] commissioned (but never published) by Illustrated magazine in 1952,
Wikipedia
How many wooden or gold crosses are there in church? Isn’t that a symbol as well?
Did Jesus say anywhere that we should carry around crosses, or adhere Jesus fishes to our vehicles as a sign of faith. No.
And don’t get me started on the whole Rosary thing.
“However, it’s campaigns like the “Flying Spaghetti Monster” that keep hate and prejudice active in the foreground.
Perhaps the founders of the “Flying Spaghetti Monster” failed to recognize by using Bertrand Russell philosophy which is -
“I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world”
- the (FSM’s promoters) are responsible for consistent “hate” speech against those who want nothing more than to practice their faith.
So if Libs want to embrace “hate” as their main theme in life, then the context and manner of their speech will never be accepted by those who think malicious parody is harmless.
Amazing those who think they argue using logic actually use a cascading “domino effect” of soritic spoof domains which in the end defeats the very premise on which their arguments are based.
But hey, what can you expect from the crowd that thinks “The Daily Show” is real news.” Kansas
Nothing more than to practice your faith? HOGWASH, you want all the rest of us to practice it too, that’s what this whole thing is about. Let me tell you there is so much more hatred in schools against those who don’t believe in Jesus. At least once a year my daughter is told she’s going to hell because she doesn’t believe in Jesus. Once she asked the Choir teacher why they had to always sing Christian songs, and the Choir director told her that was how it would be as long as she was teaching. SO my daughter decided to drop the class. She was there to sing, not advocate one religion. She wouldn’t have had any problem if they’d had just put something else in with it. It was like Church choir, IN SCHOOL.
So if you call making fun of the RR by our own little symbol of make believe, well you go ahead. But I’m sick to death of you trying to inject YOUR religion into EVERYTHING. I can’t even go to an ambulance/city party without having to sit silent while the ‘prayer’ is said before dinner.
we shouldn’t have to deal with your religious beliefs at every turn. I have the right, my daughter has the right, to say can’t you just keep it to yourself?
There seems to be some anger from some Christians here. Pastafarianism is a religion of peace, nobody has been killed in the name of the FSM. If you allow the FSM to wrap one of his noodles around you then you too will know the peace and love that only the FSM can provide.
Ramen
This whole thing is anti Christian bigotry.
The Eagle would never make fun of Islam in this way.
A well stated defense on your part PMom.
The problem I see those is that the attempts at making fun of the Religious Right is that all Christians are caught up in the mire.
This is comparable of me saying that all Libs are the same as Environmental Terrorists like E.L.F. or perhaps P.I.T.A tactics.
I know better. There are some that just discuss politics and don’t really get involved in illegal tactics.
However, it doesn’t stop the left from including everyone who is not in their same opinion as the Radical Right.
As I’ve stated many times before, I don’t think ID should be taught in school or even mentioned in school. I was brought up to believe what is taught in Church, stays there including creation stories.
Some teachers would discuss it, I believe the ones that went to my church. :)
However, I was and am a great promoter of science and scientific theory. One can hardly call me an ID promoter.
I’ve been on archaeological digs as an amateur and understand there is more to earth history than what the Bible states.
With that said, I am not going to let others run roughshod over my beliefs just because they are “bumper sticker” word hoodlums.
Get a grip econ101, it’s called a PARODY
The Lib trolls are out.
Bigotry used to be understood as unfair bias against a race or creed.
Now, Christianity is “fair game” and there are no limits to the jokes and put-downs that can be directed towards Christians.
For the record, I do not see Christianity and Evolution as being mutually exclusive.
I happen to think that the two compliment each other, and that creation can not be fully understood with a myopic view towards only one explanation.
Yes, it is wrong for Creationists to insist that the Bible disproves evolution. (It doesn’t)
“Do not put the Lord, your God, to the Test” said Jesus.
It is wrong for Christians to claim that the Bible is a scientific journal.
The Bible was not written by scientists.
The Bible was not written for scientists, it was written illiterate peasants, after a long oral history, before being recorded in the various, seperate Books.
When you take the Bible literally, you give Atheists the ability to “disprove” faith by YOUR misuse of the Bible.
The Bible tells us how to live, not, exactly, how life began.
Having said all of that, two wrongs do not make a right.
It is wrong for the Evolutionists to show such bigotry towards those of faith.
Its not funny.
Biggotry never is.
Those who are laughing at this, would have laughed at the Nazi skits and plays and propaganda making fun of Jews and Priests.
“It is wrong for the Evolutionists to show such bigotry towards those of faith.”
What exactly is an “Evolutionist”?
Its not just Christianity that causes Violence, Most religions are violent and destructive. 9/11 7/7, Honor Killings,Suicide Bombers, Jonestown, Waco, the “troubles” In Ireland, India/Pakistan, Holocaust, West Bank/Gaza, Civil Wars, In Sudan, Bosina/Serba, Cyprus Iraq. and that’s just the last hundred years
Religion seems to be the one area where humor has a negative affect on most, if not all, religious fanatics. That includes the religious right, fundamentalists, radicals, and any other religion that uses a vengeful God as their Lord.
The ones that have no problem with religious humor, or parodies such as FSM, are the ones comfortable with both themselves and their religion.
I read such statements like,”Just another day of the WE Blogs biased views on Christianity.”, posted by Nathan, and I get the impression their level of comfort is very low. That, in my opinion, just opens the door for those who like taking advantage of that same lack of comfort.
If people would study their religion, get comfortable with it’s foundation, rules and ceremony, then trying to dump on others religious beliefs would drop dramatically.
Hell, it might even be relegated to the “happens once and awhile” category. And wouldn’t that be nice. But people being people, it ain’t going to happen. Shoot, the main reason for blogs, other than political, would disappear:-)
Holocaust
I don’t believe the Holocaust victims “caused” anything. It was the intense hatred of anything Jewish that caused millions of death.
Perhaps you didn’t mean to include the Holocaust in your list of things that cause violence.
Existing and practicing your faith does not cause violence.
Reactionaries with hate driven agendas cause violence.
If people would study their religion, get comfortable with it’s foundation, rules and ceremony, then trying to dump on others religious beliefs would drop dramatically.
Hell, it might even be relegated to the “happens once and awhile” category. And wouldn’t that be nice. But people being people, it ain’t going to happen. Shoot, the main reason for blogs, other than political, would disappear:-)
Posted by: J M Walker | November 17, 2007 at 12:53 PM
If it were that simple, yeah J M Walker.
However, when the Libs on this blog start off 90 percent of their statements with that all Christians are or all Republican are, then I quickly lose interest and regard their comments as focusing on “hate” speech instead of honest debate.
Kansas – I think the Holocaust example was of something that was done out of hate – not BY the victims but TO them. Remember, that happened after a millenium of Pogroms against non-Christians throughout Europe.
The FSM phenomenon is not only a reaction against radical Christists but, in fact, against ALL redical theologies.
Ramen.
Perhaps Ben,
However the FSM is used by most Libs as a metaphysical Axe to hack up and make fun of their beliefs.
It is a tool of perhaps unintended hate speech, however, when utilized by the unwashed masses it becomes a straight away tool of hate.
The Holocaust was just the culmination of centuries of “the Jews killed Jesus” propaganda by Christians from an assortment of Popes to Luther,Passion plays that that made Jews the villains, Medieval and Renaissance history is filled with pogroms, and violence against Jews, The Spanish Inquisition was created to drive out/convert Jews and Moors from Spain, and a another example of religion gone wild
“The Holocaust was just the culmination of centuries of “the Jews killed Jesus” propaganda by Christians from an assortment of Popes to Luther”
Slaughtering six million humans is more than “just a clumination.”
That was stated as if slaughtering humans because of their belief is somehow a logical conclusion that had to be done.
Listen to Kansas, babbling on about “hate speech”.
What a laugh.
The RR can’t take a joke.
Kansas, you are out of your mind!!
If what you say about the FSM is true, then YOU are bigoted every time you make fun of Liberal religious views, in favor of your own!!
As for spending “time with Rusell”, how about all those that say they spend time in the Bible… It does NOT mean they were there when it was written, or watched it being written…
I spent many hours with Russell, the same way YOU must have… In books!! Dumbkopf!!
The RR can’t take a joke.
Posted by: Blaidd_Drwg | November 17, 2007 at 01:17 PM
I’m hardly included in the Religious Right movement.
Blaidd Drwg, a troll who suddenly popped up during the Fister movement by Libs concludes everyone can be categorized into packaged “bumper sticker” sloganism.
There are many symbols of “religious devotion” that arent in the Bible… Crosses; Icons; “the fish”; Rosaries (how about Muslim prayer beads?); Triangles; Pentagrams; Stoles; Paraments; Liturgical Colors; And there is NOTHING wrong with any of them… used in their appropriate context!! NOTHING!!
If what you say about the FSM is true, then YOU are bigoted every time you make fun of Liberal religious views, in favor of your own!!
As for spending “time with Rusell”, how about all those that say they spend time in the Bible… It does NOT mean they were there when it was written, or watched it being written…
I spent many hours with Russell, the same way YOU must have… In books!! Dumbkopf!!
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 01:17 PM
That’s not how you wrote it Chas. If you meant to say you used books to learn about Russell, you certainly didn’t word it that way. I learned about Russell in philosophy courses, but certainly don’t claim to know him or be learned on his teachings. I doubt very seriously you are either.
“make fun of Liberal religious views,”
Secularism, although claimed by some to be a religion, doesn’t appear to have any rules of consistency.
Secularism makes up rules in accordance of what makes them “feel good.”
From what I’ve read you’ve written, I have my doubts you are a Christian as you pretty much ignore the teachings of Christ and you certainly do not follow his advice or commandments.
So Chas, you must be a member of the Church of Secularists who interpret whatever they wish, when ever they wish, changing on the pivot point of a top when it doesn’t suit their agenda.
That’s not faith, that’s the exact opposite of faith.
I gotta go with what J M Walker said.
l;ong time posters will remember I used to REALLY enjoy poking at the religious hereabouts. Now? I don’t do it so much. Well, not as much anyway. It’s like Walker said, a comfort thing. If someone’s God is so little that little ol’ me can belittle it, that is THEIR problem. I TRY to be above taking advantage of it.
Then again, the Christian right is not gunning for me. Not yet anyway. Were I gay or another of their chosen targets, I might quite rightly want to hit back.And I’d be in my rights to do so. The OCCASIONAL lick I get in I hope reminds the persecutors feel how it is to be on the other end of scorn and ridicule.
May the blessing of the Flying Spaghetti Monster be upon you. May you look with wonder upon the mountains and the trees he made and in the wonder of it all, take yourself a little less seriously.
Ramen
Sorry Kansas, I am not the troll here. From what I can see, that would be YOU.
Many posters have seen me here before. Tell us, how many nics have YOU posted under today alone?
Many posters have seen me here before. Tell us, how many nics have YOU posted under today alone?
Posted by: Blaidd_Drwg | November 17, 2007 at 01:32 PM
One nic, as always.
As I’ve said many times before, the Libs on this blog falsely accuse me of using other nics.
They continue to do so, because they cannot stand on the same level of debate with me.
It takes about two post entries before they go chimpanzee insane and go back to their usual ad hominem, DNFTT or irrelevant remarks.
FGrom what I’ve seen Kansas, you post nothing remotely similar to debate.
Posting sound bites from right wing sites isn’t really a debate.
Can God nuke a microwave burrito so hot that he cant eat it?
Posting sound bites from right wing sites isn’t really a debate.
Posted by: Blaidd_Drwg | November 17, 2007 at 01:41 PM
My posts are all original thought or when I need to reference a quote, it most likely will come from Wikipedia or another sight that has credible entry.
I don’t use right wing Websites for my opinion. My thoughts are independent.
If fundamentalists didn’t make Christianity look like such a joke then the FSM probably would have never been created.
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If fundamentalists didn’t make Christianity look like such a joke then the FSM probably would have never been created.
Posted by: Doug | November 17, 2007 at 01:45 PM
Does the far left need an excuse to mock people?
Or is it that they have doubts about their agenda of hate, they are reaching out?
Kansas, you know damned well, if somebody says they have spent time with somebody like Bertrand Russell, they haver been in books… Why must you be so damned stupid, and try to make a point out of NOTHING!!!
Are you really that desperate for interaction?? Geez!! Just go stuff your original thoughts… Original, yes!! Well crafted?? NOPE!!
It isnt liberals who have problems with their thoughts, and beliefs… Not from my years of observation!! It’s always the RR atacking the Liberals!! Always wanting to tell people how to live… what to watch, or not watch… what to read, or not read!!
Liberals??? Live and let live!! Leave others alone!!
Why must you be so damned stupid, and try to make a point out of NOTHING!!!Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 02:06 PM
That statement says all that there needs to be said about the minister (cough) Chas.
It’s really nice that somebody designed a logo for Kansas. How thoughtful.
On the little spaghetti monster ornament, here is a picture of the designer. Attractive human body decorations or are they “l feel ugly” defilements?, Bozo the Clown-colored dreadlocks with androgynic hair clip on sides. Artistic expression of an upbeat, balanced individual, or evidence of self-esteem inadequacy crying for help?
How many loving parents would want their daughter to do these things to herself?
http://www.nifnaks.com/about-nifnaks/about-the-artist.html
Abbie Hoffman used to rail against “liberals” because we have a tendency to consider the other guy’s point of view.
“It’s not that they’re *racists,*” the “liberal” might say, “it’s because they’re poor white trash and have no one to feel superior to.”
“Nixon loves his daughters,” the “liberals” used to say, “… so he can’t be *all* bad.”
The fundamental weakness of liberalism is that we try to understand some logic behind the “conservative” point of view.
“Original Intent” justices on the SCOTUS? Okay, I’ll buy that. Until the SCOTUS decides in December 2000 that their decision in Bush v. Gore specifically should *not* be considered a precirent.
“Smaller government?” Okay, I’ll buy that, until the George WMD Bush expands government and starts paying Halliburton and Armstrong Williams and “Jeff Gannon” — off budget — to procreate NeoCon shams and scams.
The worst trait of liberals is our tendency to try to understand conservatives’ perspectives. Cons tend to use that weakness by moving the goalposts.
Okay, Cons. Iraq just *might* have WMDs. So we’ll go along with your invasion. But you were wrong about that. So maybe the George WMD Bush invasion and occupation of Iraq has so destablized the Middle East we cannot possibly just pull our troops out. Okay, we liberals will consider that scenario and address that possibility.
Okay, Cons. Unfettered free trade with China means low-priced toys for American kids. Until the Chinese paint Barbie dolls with lead paint and date-rape drugs.
Okay, Cons. Border security is a legitimate issue, but before you go off and declare open season against brown people, might it be important to address the problem of American businesses who hire illegal aliens for sub-standard wages?
Good liberal that I am, I have tried to address Right Wingnut wedge issues from a position of compromise. I’ve brought up the fact that the 2nd Amendment addresses the concept of “a well regulated militia” and have been attacked as “anti-gun.”
I’ve cited the 4th and 14th Amendments to the Constituion regarding reproductive and personal privacy rights and have been called “baby-killer.”
I’ve admitted that there might be a possibility that a Supreme Being *might* have started life… but no one has been able to rectify that belief with the concept of *science,* and have been been called “anti-Christian.”
I’m the worst kind of liberal.
I expect people who disagree with me to possibly have a reason for what they advocate. I ask for their reasoning. I get nothing.
I get name-calling and boilerplate right-wing radio tropes.
But, the good liberal that I am, I want the Cons to come up with something that makes some sense.
So far, I’ve been disappointed.
As Steven Colbert noted, “Reality has a liberal bias.”
Okay, Libs!
We declared a war on Christmas.
Now it’s time to declare a war on THANKSGIVING.
Next, the war on Mom and Apple Pie.
Bill O and his many minions have to have their daily dose of outrage.
It’s how they can feel superior.
Hang in there CapN (cough)
It has been interesting to read through the lists of posts on this blog. What I find most interesting is that the Fundies always believe that they ARE Christianity and they ARE religion. The postings and rantings here claim that to offend (or not to offend) the Christian Fundamentalists is to offend Christianity and Religion and questions the existence of Christiansim, the Judeo Christian God and Jesus.
I think that Fundamental Christians have an over inflated opinion of themselves and their Christian sect to believe that they are the Chosen People. Get over it. If you need to believe this in order to find internal peace and a purpose – great. Hallelujah and peace be unto you. However, for Fundamental Christians to try to pass their religion and existence off as the one and only true divine AND to oppress any alternative thought and or practice is wrong is offensive.
The Pastararians, the Tupperware Cult, the Amway Folks, the Mormons – all seem to be enlightened and happy organizations. Live long and prosper, but don’t try to harrass me to eat noodles, corner me into buying plastic bowls I don’t need, sell me soap I don’t want or try to cut off my caffeine addiction.
That statement says all that there needs to be said about the minister (cough) Chas.
Posted by: Kansas | November 17, 2007 at 02:13 PM
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Now YOU do what you earlier accuse Liberals of doing!! Gee, Kansas, I didnt know you were a closet Liberal!! LOL
You just cant leave my vocation out of it, can you — you Tired Old Disabled VET!! (see I can do it too)
Another post by MonkeyHawk that is totally irrelevant to the topic.
And he wonders why he never gets responses to his blitherings on about everything but the kitchen sink.
Now YOU do what you earlier accuse Liberals of doing!! Gee, Kansas, I didnt know you were a closet Liberal!! LOL
You just cant leave my vocation out of it, can you — you Tired Old Disabled VET!! (see I can do it too)
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 03:53 PM
Just noting that you are a minister of the First Church of Secularism.
Your views and approaches are as about as far from Christian teachings and practices as one can get.
And by what certification would you be able to make such a statement??
You have no claimed Theogical, or Ministerial standing, or degrees… What authority allows you to determine your statement??
There is NO church of secularism! Except for in your NARROW Disabled VET mind!!
However, if I was a minister in the church of secularism, my christian professions, and membership in my denomination, and my authority and certification as an ordained person in said denomination, would make my clergy standing in the church of secularism (if it existed) null and void!! Geez, you are drinking funny Disabled VET kool aide today!!
Chas, I never EVER planned to address you on this blog, because to do so would legitimize you and since I think you need clinical help I would/and do feel uncomfortable interacting with you. But, but you have crossed a line. I think any heckling of a disabled individual and/or heckling or a US veteran is unethical and highly inappropriate. It is behavior many Kansans have come to expect from Fred Phelps and family – but you have engaged in behavior which has uncovered the demons within. For me you will never again be credible – and legally and ethical I recommend you stop harassing a disabled US veteran.
Hey, its simple… He lays off of my vocation… I lay off of his!! He knows what he is doing!!
I’ve known people that have gone to church for 50 years without missing a Sunday, only to find out they never accepted Christ as their personal savior.
Being an ordained minister isn’t worth the paper is written on, if you don’t practice what you preach.
No, I’m not a ordained Minister, but come from a long line of Ministers, from Wales in the 1600 to the early Philadelphia, to North Caroline to Ohio and Illinois and Kansas. At last count there were about 20 some ministers in there, most of them ordained and founders of many churches.
I’ve never heard a Christian Minister of any denomination, except for kooks make the statements that you do Chas.
You’ve lost your way.
Wow! Where does all this vitriol come from. For starters, where is this “hate” exactly? There is no hate. The FSM is a satire born of the very serious threat to intellectual freedom brought by religious fundamentalists against the “rest” of us. My guess is that those who feel persecuted by the Pastafarians have never read a word of the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Try it, it’s funny. If you don’t find it funny, it’s probably because you are too busy trying your best to make the rest of the world bend to your own belief system, which is exactly the point. Don’t believe in evolution? Fine, don’t believe in it. Don’t want your children to believe in evolution? Fine, teach them your creation myths at home or at church, which is where they belong. Sorry, but the fact of the matter is that the overwhelming body of scientific evidence supports evolution; even if there was only ONE piece of scientific evidence supporting evolution, that would be one more piece of evidence for evolution than there is for any religious or creationist explanation. What’s more, the Flying Spaghetti Monster has exactly the same amount of evidence supporting it as does Christianity, Judaism, Islam or any other religion – that is, NONE. That’s the whole point – it is equally likely that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world and everything in it as it is that the Judeo-Christian god did; Christians have exactly the same amount of evidence to support their claim as do the Pastafarians. The difference, I would argue, is that the Judeo-Christian chronicle of that story, the Bible, is filled with war, betrayal, violence, incest, and death. The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, by contrast, is good-natured, funny and silly. As a scientist, I’m inclined to look at the evidence, but if I had to choose between two equally improbable myths, I would choose sauce and noodles over blood and death….
Lonnie, There is NO line on the Blog… ask Kansas… if there is, he crosses it nearly every day!! Pull your head out, goofus!!
Lonnie…………………don’t go too hard on Chaz. Kansas (the troll-boy) gets what he deserves. All he does is sow chaos on this thread. He makes outrageous claims about his “disabled veteran status”.
In short, he is a liar. He abuses anyone who disagrees with his warped worldview. IMHO, he should get slammed TWICE as much as he already does.
Don’t get sucked into his lies!
Very well put TC.
What’s more, the Flying Spaghetti Monster has exactly the same amount of evidence supporting it as does Christianity, Judaism, Islam or any other religion – that is, NONE.Posted by: TC | November 17, 2007 at 04:09 PM
Therein lays the problem TC.
Faith in a Deity doesn’t involve evidence, it requires belief.
The issue with the FSM as I have stated before is that it used as a device of mockery for anyone who is of Christian faith.
Perhaps it wasn’t intended by the original designers of the FSM, but it often used by Libs to assign irrelevance to Christians when they get involved in discussions.
Observation is one of the basic steps of the Scientific Method. I’m surprised you haven’t employed it here in your analysis of the topic.
Keep it up Kansas… My vocation is irrelevant to what I think about the FSM… But you keep pushing the envelope about my vocation and MY church, JUST because it isnt like YOURS!!
You might have all those clergy in your family, but that doesnt give you any special authority to talk about somebody not of your denomination!!
I’ve known of a few clergy who have been preaching for years, and then get caught with their hands on a kid, or somebody else’s wife too…. So, what’s your point about going to church for 50 years, and not professing Christ?? Thats nothing to write home about!!
I told you before, you poke fun at MY vocation, you open the door for me to take a pot shot at your vocation, you old worn out disabled VET!! LOL
You want sympathy??? Dont look to me to give it to you… not with your attitudes about people different from you… YOU of all people shouldnt go up against those who are different!!
Wow. It astounds me how far over the top religious zealots can go. I mean, seriously, I am dumbstruck by how they can come to some of their conclusions. Not about their religion itself, mind you, but how they can believe that I HATE them, just because I don’t believe as they do. And then say that nobody can debate on their level? Well duh. You can’t debate with someone who uses the logic ‘I’m right and you are wrong and my imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend so nyah’. I don’t hate you. I don’t understand you, but I don’t hate you. I might be a little afraid of you, or, at least the way you think, but I don’t hate you. You aren’t important enough for me to expend that much emotion on. Sorry.
So what Kansas. Maybe the “christians” who have attemted to hijack the real world need to be mocked.
Who are YOU to invoke the Scientific Method anyway?
Well said, MonkeyHawk!
Kanss — Show ANY place where the FSM is used AGAINST ANY SPECIFIC religion?? You cant find it, because it isnt there!!
Any feeling of mockery must be coming from your own understandings of your own faith!! or your particular branch of faith… which may or may not be like somebody else’s understanding…
Try again, Mr. Kansas!!
Who are YOU to invoke the Scientific Method anyway?
Posted by: Apophis | November 17, 2007 at 04:17 PM
I wasn’t aware that the Scientific Method was the sacred text of anyone in particular.
Kanss — Show ANY place where the FSM is used AGAINST ANY SPECIFIC religion?? You cant find it, because it isnt there!! Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 04:19 PM
The FSM has been brought up by Libs several times in the past several weeks and utilized as not a parody, but as an assault on Christianity.
As you always advise me Chas, you can do your own research. You will, however, find that what I’ve posted is true.
“Now, faith is the assurance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen.” (Letter to the Hebrews)
FAITH doesnt involve scientific method… It has its rightful place in societies. That rightful place is in the houses of worship, and halls of Faith. From the houses of Faith, the faithful make their decisions of how to treat their fellow HUMANS in the day to day world.
That treatment should be something approaching equality… When and if that happens, the world will be a better place for it.
Sorry, Kansas, I guess I missed the seque there. What does observation and the scientific method have to do with this topic? Also, the FSM isn’t (at least, in my view) intended to mock ALL Christians, just the ones who would, as Apophis so aptly put it, hijack the government, the school board(s), and so on in order to manipulate the system so that everyone is forced to see the world through the same prism that they do, act the way they do and believe the way they do.
“assault on christianity”……………….
YOU, Kansas, are an idiot.
Chas,
Kansas “values” does not have anything better to do than insult you, and try to annoy you.
I would suggest you look toward radical Islam for an assault on Christianity… not to the FSM…
Suggesting an alternative to YOUR faith is not an assault on YOUR faith… They are not demanding special worship areas to erect more locations for the consumption of sauce and noodles…
They are not demanding TAX dollars to support their beliefs… No demands and protests to plaster their “gospel” posted on courthouse walls, or the walls of any other government buildings.
Can you say the same about some branches of Christian faith??
When the Cult of the FSM starts making those kinds of demands, yuou be sure you notice my complaints of such things the same way I do of any others who do the same kinds of things…
NO, the Islamic folks have no reasonable demand to have “foot washing” stations in airports, or in public schools… That is fairly ridiculous… Even that isnt an assault on Christianity, even though it comes a lot closer than ANYthing stated by the Cult of the FSM!!
C’mon, Kansas… pull your head out on this one, and try not to look like such an idiot!!
And I notice you cant even find ONE QUOTE as to how the FSM Cult has made any Assault on Christianity!!
Keep trying… that search should keep you busy for weeks!!
However, Kansas, what IS easy to do is to find your MANY assaults launched against MY version of Christian Faith!! Shoot, all one has to do is read upthread here!! You do it at every possible chance you get!!
By the way, why is FSM described as a “Cult” in the headline to this piece? FSM is about as far away from being a cult as is possible to be….May you be touched by his noodly appendage, Rhonda!:)
Sorry, Kansas, I guess I missed the seque there. What does observation and the scientific method have to do with this topic? Also, the FSM isn’t (at least, in my view) intended to mock ALL Christians, just the ones who would, as Apophis so aptly put it, hijack the government, the school board(s), and so on in order to manipulate the system so that everyone is forced to see the world through the same prism that they do, act the way they do and believe the way they do.
Posted by: TC | November 17, 2007 at 04:26 PM
The FSM was recently invoked at the Kansas Regents Board of Education to discuss whether or not Intelligent Design (ID) should be allowed in the curriculum of Kansas classrooms.
I have not problem with parody nor do I have an objection for the exclusion of ID from the classroom.
Whatever the original intent of the FSM was, its use is a distortion of the original parody.
Looking at the FSM symbols, a pirate patch-wearing fish in skeletal profile indicates the intent was to utilize the early Christian “Fish” symbol as parody.
What it has to do with Scientific Method and Observation is the fact that it was recently employed to emphasize by parody that ID doesn’t not belong in the classroom as ID excludes scientific method in its summary of creationist science and substitutes faith.
I have no problem with the objects of excluding ID from classrooms.
What I do have a problem with, is that Libs who have a tendency of short attention span, use the FSM as a broad, ideological ax to cleave all aspects of Christianity.
It is now used as a device of ridicule towards anyone that would profess their faith.
It is no longer a parody when that occurs. It becomes a curtain of deceitful animosity towards those of the Christian faith.
How very small and defenseless your God must seem to you “kansas” To need little you to defend It /Him I mean. You of all addled beknighted little people.
I am sorry for you. A beautiful day and you have sat here all day defending your God….against a witty bit of imagination.
When is the next Feast of the FSM?? I want to see the High Exalted Chef swirl the pasta, and pile it high with the “holy” sauce! What a Great Feast that would be!!
Speaking of trolling, notice how the Libs come out of the woodwork only to insult me and not say add a constructive comment to the discussion.
Odd, that the Libs here on the WE Blog call me a troll, but they are the worst trolls bumping the discussion with insulting, empty rhetoric and ad hominem.
Watch out……Kansas is working toward another total MELTDOWN ON THIS THREAD.
I by midnight he will be threatening people with his lawyer again.
Someone should hasten this temper tantrum by posting (or at least saying they will) his personal information. LOL
I feasted on pasta primavera at lunch today.
It was like taking communion.
Ummmm — The skeletal fish utilized by proponents of FSM is clearly NOT a symbolic use of the early christian “fish” symbol…
IXTHUS = FISH in Greek…
Also is an anagram for — wait for it… “Jesus Christ, Son of God” using Koine Greek letters!!
They didnt use a skeleton at all!
Sorry — Try again…
That alleged symbolism is all of your own mental making, Kansas!!
Oh wow, Apophis, that is one of the highest forms of Pasta consumption of all!! At what “temple” did you feast?? LOL
Notice TC, how the thread turns into a troll fest by the Libs adding ad hominem remarks towards me.
The Libs don’t wish to discuss anything.
All they want to do is “shout down.”
A typical Lib tactic.
That IXTHUS MIGHT be listed as IXTHOUS by some, since the exact Greek letters are not available in English lettering…
The thread is all your Libs, you have once again destroyed a thread with your shout downs and ad hominem attacks.
Have a nice day.
I actually concocted my pasta dish in my daily home worship ritual.
All praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The FSM loves even you Kansas!
Sorry Kansas, I am attempting to stick right on thread!! I only attacked you when you started to Assault MY vocation, since I represent a different branch of Christianity than you come from!!
I am quite pleased to stay on the thread of the FSM… I happen to think it is quite humorous!!
Is he gone for good, or will he return as a nic-switching troll?
Anyone posting on any name after this is not me. I don’t use any other nics.
The absurdity of the FSM cuts to the core of any fundamentalist.
Whether you’re a Christian or Jew or Muslim or a Druid fundamentalist, there’s something in your theology that’s convinced you that *yours* is the one *true* faith.
And, chances are, you’re wrong.
However and whatever you consider the concept and being of “God,” He’s bigger than any specific religion. That’s part of His job description.
When mere mortals step up and proclaim they’re speaking for God, I become suspicious.
I don’t care if it’s Pat Robertson or the Pope or Bonzo the Sun God who proclaims infinate wisdom, if they’ve ever purchased – or considered – life insurance, perhaps they’re not “God’s” voice on earth.
Kansas,
Respectfully, I think you are taking this FSM thing way too seriously. I’m not sure where how you are reading this as an attack against Christianity writ large, but I will say this: Christianity does have a kind of built-in persecution complex that makes for a perfect straw-man in situations like this. Certainly Christians were once fed to the lions, but Christianity is now second only to Islam in world-wide adherents. Who are all these persecutors? What do you mean by “broad ideological ax to cleave all aspects of Christianity,” and “It is no longer a parody when that occurs. It becomes a curtain of deceitful animosity towards those of the Christian faith?” These are strange statements; what do they mean? What is a curtain of deceitful animosity? There is no deceit – it is a broad, obvious satire. Moreover, how can you make generalizations about “Libs” with “short attention spans” and then complain that people ridicule you and your faith? Do you not see the irony in that?
He’ll be back, on the attack…….as someone else.
He always does.
He’s especially surly after he slurps down that nightly bottle of cheap whiskey!
Strange conversation…
You mean the NyQuil Apophis??
“Notice TC, how the thread turns into a troll fest by the Libs adding ad hominem remarks towards me.
The Libs don’t wish to discuss anything.
All they want to do is “shout down.”
A typical Lib tactic.”
Again, hypocrisy is the weapon of choice of a skilled troll.
Re: Kansas
DNFTT
It’s cheap whiskey with a NyQuil chaser!
ksag………………go over to the 11/16 open thread and read the latest nonsense MPS has posted.
He is really melting down of late.
Was that “shout-down” comment from Kansas directed at me?
And by the way, enough of this Flying Spaghetti Monster nonsense.
Ceiling Cat is far greater than the FSM, and is much, much, much, much cuter.
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Ceilation.jpg
‘Strange conversation…”
Posted by: TC
No, it’s pretty normal for here. You should read the threads where Kansas (Republikhan) melts down… but you can’t, since the editors deleted his posts.
Time for dinner — lots of spaghetti, with some excellent sauce.
Blasphemy! Thou shalt not worship false cats. Don’t be led astray by a, um, stray cat! The Flying Spaghetti Monster will not abide the worship of a lowly Ceiling Cat when he has revealed himself to us through the inerrant word in the Gospel of the the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, available at Borders, Barnes and Noble or your local neighborhood bookstore.
“ksag………………go over to the 11/16 open thread and read the latest nonsense MPS has posted.”
Perfect example of more Harry Frankfurt style bullsh*t. Now he’s pretending that the anatomical similarities argument stands unrefuted.
Not to mention his catty attack on the appearance of the designer of the ornament.
Honestly, I really think this is sad.
I really like his “I’m taking my argument and going home” approach, too. I guess he got tired of making no sense.
I really like his “I’m taking my argument and going home” approach, too. I guess he got tired of making no sense. I wish he would come back and answer my questions, though; I have no idea what he was talking about….
“Blasphemy! Thou shalt not worship false cats. Don’t be led astray by a, um, stray cat! The Flying Spaghetti Monster will not abide the worship of a lowly Ceiling Cat when he has revealed himself to us through the inerrant word in the Gospel of the the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, available at Borders, Barnes and Noble or your local neighborhood bookstore.”
I say thee nay!
http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Image:Cieling_cat_creates.jpg
No flying pasta can match the majesty and the much, much, much, much greater cuteness of the Ceiling Cat!!!!!!!!!!
Apohis,
Nonsense? I’m not the one teaching “science” in the biggest school district in Kansas, in the biggest city in Kansas that can’t hire fully qualified math and science teachers to match the Kansas statewide average nor majority-minority Kansas City Kansas, nor lower-income-than-Wichita Hutchinson, nor tiny district countrified Colby.
You are. You’re a member of lower-than-the-rest-of-Kansas science-teacher qualification USD 259.
Pat yourself on the back for actively participating in failure.
Why don’t you give a place to charter schools such as KIPP academies? Tulsa, Oklahoma City and Kansas City are trying them.
I guess you can’t allow them to be in Wichita. Because you’re opposed to public education success. Why do you have this “f**k public education anger and antipathy?”
I don’t condemn you for your position. It’s a free country. But I do know that children shouldn’t be under your destructive influence. And I also know that taxpayers are not required to support your destroy-public-education ideology.
And I also know that taxpayers are not required to support your destroy-public-education ideology.
Posted by: MPS
Actually, they most certainly are.
Whether you like it or not, you pay property taxes to support Apophis and the many like this teacher.
If you don’t like it, you can move to some third-world country that doesn’t have public education.
Dont get him/her started on this thread CapN… We’ll never get him/her stopped!! Walk on by!!
Apophis,
Your teacher union enrichment endgame is not the same as advancing children’s enlightenment.
You’re in an adult vs. children game. It’s easy to abuse them, isn’t it?
Disagree? Let’s have all your students grade you, as you grade them.
If you’re a scientific thinker, you’ll agree with bilateral evaluation, won’t you?
O Tannenbaum, O Tannenbaum, wie groen sind deine blaetter!
Sie gruenst nicht nur in Sommerzeit; auch gruenst im Winter wann es schneit!
O Tannenbaum, O Tannenbaum, wie groen sind deine blaetter!
FSM just doesnt such good songs… YET… Give it time…
correction: doesnt *have* such
More absurdity from the Right Wingnuts:
If the teachers’ union were so “all powerful,” teachers would be making loads more money than they do.
Another CON straw-man argument.
It ranks up there with blaming teachers for public education shortcomings. Shouldn’t some of the blame focus on, y’know, students? And students’ families (making sure homework gets done and assignments are met, etc.)?
Nawwww Monkey Hawk… The students are too busy playing video games, and text messaging to all their friends, and sending silly pictures on their Iphones..
You know… all the important stuff that will insure their little futures!! ROFL!!
But hey, maybe if we teach them all about the glorious FSM, they might be motivated to study, and do homework, and all of that other good stuff they like to neglect now…
Well, I am off to find a scrumptious platter of magnificent Spaghetti and sauce!! I can hardly wait!!
Shouldn’t some of the blame focus on, y’know, students? And students’ families (making sure homework gets done and assignments are met, etc.)?
Posted by: MonkeyHawk
Sorry, MonkeyHawk. Personal responsibility only applies to people that CONs don’t like–like homeless people or welfare moms.
Since they hate unions, nothing is responsibility of the students–it’s all the responsibility of the teachers.
In the 80’s when SAT scores were going down, CONs claimed it was all the fault of public education.
But when those scores came up in the 90’s, it of course wasn’t because the teachers were doing a better job.
“Nonsense? I’m not the one teaching “science” in the biggest school district in Kansas, in the biggest city in Kansas that can’t hire fully qualified math and science teachers to match the Kansas statewide average nor majority-minority Kansas City Kansas, nor lower-income-than-Wichita Hutchinson, nor tiny district countrified Colby.
You are. You’re a member of lower-than-the-rest-of-Kansas science-teacher qualification USD 259.”
You have no idea what my qualifications are MPS. That drives you nuts, I love it. I guess you’ll just have to take my word for it. For the other posters on this blog: the State of Kansas acknowledges me as lisenced AND highly qualified. That should be enough.
“Pat yourself on the back for actively participating in failure. ”
My classroom is NOT a failure. My Department is not a failure. My school is not a failure. I cannot do much about the conditions in any other classroom, department or school.
“Why don’t you give a place to charter schools such as KIPP academies? Tulsa, Oklahoma City and Kansas City are trying them.”
Charter Schools ARE allowed in Kansas. Just because you can’t have YOUR pet project doesn’t mean they’re not here.
“I guess you can’t allow them to be in Wichita. Because you’re opposed to public education success.”
I’m only viewed as “opposed” to public education by you and the other opponents ofour community schools
“Why do you have this “f**k public education anger and antipathy?”
It’s pretty obvious that this is YOUR attitude!
“I don’t condemn you for your position. It’s a free country. But I do know that children shouldn’t be under your destructive influence. And I also know that taxpayers are not required to support your destroy-public-education ideology.”
This is just mindless babbling. Have had a CAT scan lately? You sure have been losing control on a more frequently this past week. I am so sorry.
Lastly, on previous threads you have tried to tie the local teacher’s union (UTW) to your perceived admistrative and personnel issues with USD 259. UTW does not participate in recruiting teachers to come to Wichita. UTW also does not negotiate the BUDGET of the school district. As much as the union might want to do so, it cannot.You really need to read the Kansas Professional Negotiations Act (K.S.A. 72-5413) before you shoot off your mouth.
Apophis sez @ 7:56: the State of Kansas acknowledges me as lisenced AND highly qualified. [sic]
hehe (Or should i say eheh?)
Chas in your pandering and desire to be excepted by the most radical libs on the WEblog you have crossed a line. You have maligned a God you profess to believe in. You have allowed those around you to cheapen things as sacred as communion, you have agreed with them when they say your professed religion is worthless and pie in the sky drivel, and still you laugh with them and agree with their posts.
I don’t have to justify to anyone why I feel as I do anymore than others on here do with their believe in whatever they fell their god to be. If Christianity isn’t your thing then don’t be one. But allow me to believe as I want. Allow me to worship who I want. Allow me to assign value to a God I believe is real without the ridicule of those on this blog who don’t agree with me.
Enough said. This is a subject that was for one reason and one reason only and that was to create an atmosphere of contention. Well Rhonda succeeded in that it seems.
Apophis sez @ 7:56: the State of Kansas acknowledges me as lisenced AND highly qualified. [sic]
hehe (Or should i say eheh?)
Posted by: Comment Tater | November 17, 2007 at 08:21 PM
Only a RW, anti-community schools hater would nitpick a reversal of a “c” and “s” in one word on a BLOG.
Get a life LOSER.
Ksgrm,
Why do you even bother?
I tried to talk to Chas, it is pointless.
He is about as Christian as I am a Buddhist.
I won’t even comment on “sez”………..that speaks volumes for itself.
The only reason the FSM came into being was because of the likes of Connie Morris & her neocon buddies on the state school board.
They kept insisting that their objections to good science standards were based on science, not religion.
But let a physics grad make fun of their efforts, and suddenly the FSM is “anti-Christian.”
Go figure. The neocons can’t even keep their story straight.
Like their IDNet of KS ringleader, John Calvert, who LIED about the poster on the door of that Wichita middle school science classroom. He made the mistake of doing so in front of the teacher whose door it was on. Wow, did Calvert get his marshmallows handed to him, roasted on a stick!http://silkworm.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/calverts-wichita-meeting/
The neocons are no better than the Pharisees of Christ’s time, whited sepulchres rotting from within.
Do you hate Buddhists now Nathan?
Are they next your pseudo-christian crusade against “terrorism”?
Good to see you again nunyer! you need to go back to this thread from the past week to witness the MPS meltdown.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/science/index.html
It was really rather sad.
this is more direct:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/nova-program-a-.html
Ugh – I see a thread with 385 comments. No time to read it, but here’s a guess as to MPS’ posts:
1. Science teachers in Kansas stupid.2. Math teachers in Kansas are stupid.3. The teachers union is to blame for all educational ills.4. MPS has an MD/has tutored a few gifted kids and is therefore an expert on all aspects of education.5. Math/science education in KS is in dire straits.6. Math/science education in KS is in dire straits because those who train teachers hate math and science.7. Math/science education in KS is in dire straits because those teachers should get paid LOTS more than any other teachers.8. All of the above, using thousands of words to so state.
Did I miss anything, Apophis?
pretty well summed it up.
Ksagnostic also handed his ass to him a time or two.
There was a TOTAL meltdown!
Nobody defending FSM has said my religion or my God is worthless… You just dont get it, do you?? It’s perfectly OK to laugh at faith once in a while… YOU are the one maligning my GOD, and my FAITH… or you wouldnt be saying the poppycock you post at me, KsGrm!! It has to be YOUR way or NO way!! Why do you get so threatened because I can accept others, with or without faith??? Why does that bother you soooo damned much!! You AND Nathan!! I am GLAD Rhonda posted this thread… It shows people like you to be exactly what you are… narrow minded bigots, who have no concern for any FAITH but your own!! Why dont you just pull your head out for once, and see that the world/universe does NOT revolve around YOU or your particular brand of Christianity!!
I KNOW we dont agree… and I am not asking you to agree with my understanding of my faith!!
All I ask of you and certain other folks is to just leave people ALONE who disagree with you!!
Nobody is out to get you and your terribly narrow-minded views of God and Faith, and Life… We dont care what you believe!! Just stop trying to assault others, like ME, who dont buy your version of the Faith!!
Is that so damned much to ask you you and your unhealthy attitudes??? If it is, maybe it is YOU and others like you that need to go make your own blog, where you can spout your right wing ideas to your heart’s content?? We wont follow you, I guarantee it!!
Just stop assaulting MY FAITH… I am not assaulting yours!!
By the way Germie, if you learn how to read, you can go back and see that I never said anything about Communion… You wont find it in MY posts… That was somebody else!!
Talking about melt downs….
nunyer, yet another Lib troll from one of our regulars.
Yet, they call me a troll. Go figure.
I will NOT poke fun at the Eucharist… In my denomination, we celebrate Eucharist EVERY week wherever I am Pastor (not all do)… It is the high point of worship… Some of our parishes celebrate Eucharist at ALL worship events… even at some weddings, and – more rarely – at Memorial services… with no deceased corpsse present, as in following Cremation.
I do NOT poke fun at the Holy Eucharist!
I dont know what you all do in your church… nor do I really want or need to know!!
So, just stop assaulting churches and pastors that disagree with your interpretations of what YOU believe Christianity is all about…
And dont worry, the FSM is NOT out to get you!! Not now… not ever!!
Oh thats cute Nathan… I defend MY faith, and its a melt down… YOU try to pawn yours off on to others, or defend yours, and its what?? faithfulness??
Your name is hypocrite, Nathan…
BTW, Nathan, what is your problem with Buddhists?? Why did you even mention Buddhists?? I see no postings from Buddhists here!!
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”
What Church is that you preach at Chas? Maybe I would like to come hear you preach.
It must not be on Sunday Mornings, because you are usually here Sunday Mornings.
Give me a time and place Chas, I want to see you behind the pulpit.
Yet, they call me a troll. Go figure.
Posted by: Kansas | November 17, 2007 at 09:28 PM
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Let’s see… you add nothing to the discussion… you only post something to be disagreeable, or to post an ad hominem about another poster (nunyer – whoever that might be) –
Yea, I think that falls within the definition of a troll!!
Let’s see… you add nothing to the discussion… you only post something to be disagreeable, or to post an ad hominem about another poster (nunyer – whoever that might be) –
Yea, I think that falls within the definition of a troll!!
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 09:35 PM
Then by that description Chas, you are king of the trolls.
Kansas,
Don’t get sucked into it.
THAT Kansas, is totally NONE of your business!! So, dont even start that crap again!! We’ve all been there before… Not gonna happen again…
I havent been here on a Sunday morning in WEEKS!! I have other things to do on Sundays!!
And sometimes, I am even officiating on Sat. evenings!! Depends on the congregation!! LOL
Just shows how much you dont know that you think you know!!
Kansas, I believe you will find I am on topic here today… Better than I can say about you!!
So Chas, put out an invitation to where you preach.
Why are you afraid for anyone hear you preach?
Better yet, invite XXX or Ben to where you preach. I trust their evaluation.
Kansas,
Just stop. We did this before and it is pointless.
You and I both know Chas is about as Christian as we are Buddhist.
No point in going back and forth with him again.
True Nathan.
Time for a shower and some reading.
Good night all.
SSTOP IT Nathan!! You are just a plain LIAR!! It doesnt become one who claims to be a Marine, and a Super Christian like you do!!
“You have maligned a God you profess to believe in. You have allowed those around you to cheapen things as sacred as communion, you have agreed with them when they say your professed religion is worthless and pie in the sky drivel, and still you laugh with them and agree with their posts.”
Chas if you read my post you will see that I didn’t accuse you of this but said you allowed your ‘friends’ to make fun of a God you believe in. I really feel sorry for you. I respect an atheist more than you. At least he has a belief or lack of one. You are so eager to be ‘one of the guys’ that you have no principles left.
Sorry, I’m not imposing my values on you. I excuse JR and Apophis because they don’t profess to love my God. I just don’t understand what if anything you stand for.
Apophis sez @ 8:37: “Only a RW, anti-community schools hater would nitpick a reversal of a “c” and “s” in one word on a BLOG.
Get a life LOSER.”
Dear Highly Qualified Teacher,
Your writing would serve as a great “find-the-errors” assignment in a sixth grade grammar, a good “find-the-fallacies” assignment in logic, and an excellent self-referral document to anger management class. Is grammar, logic and decorum remediation available for highly qualified teachers in Kansas? At least work on your skills with commas and capitalization, please.
Apearently, roodimentry langwij skells aint nessissarie fo hilee kwolleefried teechars en kensis.
Do me a favor and don’t talk about me when you think it is behind my back there germie. I’ll afford you the same. I also don’t need any “excusing” from you.
SO the topic has been made Chas and his faith?
How very Christian of some of you.
I COULD delve into YOUR faith. As I remember, Nathan’s is particularly interesting. And since he has one generalized religious statement here followed by a handful of nothing more than attacks, I don’t feel held back to do so.
I didn’t do that.
AGAIN J M Walker captured it. If your God is so small you must defend him from a bit of imagination? Well, I’ve been right all along.
Anybody doubt that “comment tator” is really ksgrm? I don’t.
Congratulations Germie!! Once again you are a nincompoop, and assault MY GOD!! And MY faith in that GOD!! I am not doing that to you… WHY do you insist on assaulting MY FAITH?? And dont sit there and say you arent!! It is WAY too obvious!!
Why cant you just say we disagree on our Faith?? WHY do you want to assault ME, for what I believe, and then complain about the FSM for doing that to you, so you claim!!
See, Germie, NOBODY is maligning YOUR GOD!! I am sorry if you are too blind, or stupid to see that… I pity you for your ignorance!!
Chas let it go.
I just don’t understand what if anything you stand for.
Posted by: ksgrm | November 17, 2007 at 10:01 PM
===========================I keep telling you to learn how to read, and maybe you WOULD understand what I stand for!! I just posted a long litany about the Holy Eucharist… Or dont you know what that is???
J R — Those people think the FSM is maligning their God… I think its an open door for attack… NOT on their God… But on their narrow minded lack of willingness to accept others for who they are and what they believe…
I KNOW Chas I said much the same upthread.
The FSM is the rebuke.
Benjamin Franklin said, “The sting in any rebuke is the truth.”
Those who are threatened by the Flying Spaghetti Monster are really just uncomfortable in their own faith.
Voltaire. he said it better.
“God is a comedian playing to an audience afraid to laugh.”
i always liked Voltaire!! LOL
I knew God was a comedian the first time I saw a duck billed platypus at the Pittsburgh Zoo!!
Jesus Said:
And He was saying to them, “You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
If they dont see it Nathan’s Way, Nathan’s God has no room for them… Wow, so much for seeing all human beings as equals!!
Religious Zealots and Bigots go hand in hand… always have…
Nathan, let go of your religious bigotry, and your egotistical religion, and you will know the Freedom of the Spirit!! You gotta let go of that old ego, cause it gets in the way of the Free Spirit of New Testament Faith!!
Jesus said:
“For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.
“For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,
so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.”
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
After his vision on the roof top, of God’s banquet set before him, and commanding him to rise and eat; Peter — after claiming the food to be unclean — finally gets the point: “I PERCEIVE THAT GOD SHOWS NOW PARTIALITY!”
Why is it that so many who claim to follow God’s Word insist on showing partiality???
Jesus died and rose again for the sins of ALL… not just the sins of a FEW… Please try to remember this… You can find it in the Book…
If Jesus didnt even condemn Judas, or his own executioners, why would he condemn anybody else??
He died for the sins of ALL…
Isnt that great??
1 John 2:23
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
i have no time for this now… Tomorrow is an early day…
Good night; Good luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!! Even to those who have not found freedom in the Spirit!!
Matthew 7:14
14 “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
“By Grace are you saved, through Faith, but that is not of your own doing; it is a gift of God.”
2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Romans 8:9
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Exodus 20
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
The Power of the Word of God, shall chase away the phony preachers.
Is this the Phony Preacher?
Congratulations Germie!! Once again you are a nincompoop, and assault MY GOD!! And MY faith in that GOD!! I am not doing that to you… WHY do you insist on assaulting MY FAITH?? And dont sit there and say you arent!! It is WAY too obvious!!
Why cant you just say we disagree on our Faith?? WHY do you want to assault ME, for what I believe, and then complain about the FSM for doing that to you, so you claim!!
See, Germie, NOBODY is maligning YOUR GOD!! I am sorry if you are too blind, or stupid to see that… I pity you for your ignorance!!
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Jeremiah 231Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
2Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Christian Preacher?
I dont recall ANY references in the NEW Testament as being symbolic of the Christ CHILD, per se…
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Jeremiah 23
14I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
15Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
16Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
17They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
18For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
19Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
20The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
21I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
23Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
24Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
25I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
26How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
27Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
28The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
29Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
Romans
17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
2 Peter 21But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
Gee, it appears I can skip Sunday School, since I’ve had my Bible lesson for today, next week, and the rest of the year. Thanks, King James aka Nathan!
From the article:
“Between the lines, the point of the letter was this: There’s no more scientific basis for intelligent design than there is for the idea an omniscient creature made of pasta created the universe. If intelligent design supporters could demand equal time in a science class, why not anyone else? The only reasonable solution is to put nothing into sciences classes but the best available science.”
The so-called solution ignores the cause of the problem, government schools. By forcing kids to be ‘educated’ and forcing their parents to pay for it has caused this problem. If parents had the option (& responsibility) of choosing the school then issues like this would be personal decisions. Instead today the FSM/evolution is the only science/intelligent design/etc. is a public policy decision to be enforced and pushed into the minds of the children.
I’m always amused at how many Christians think they can convince others of “the truth” by quoting the bible, but they don’t consider that the person or people they’re quoting to believe that the bible was inspired by men, not God.
And when they’re quoting to those who believe the bible was inspired by God, then they’re just wasting their time preaching to the choir.Either way it’s a waste of energy and time.
“The so-called solution ignores the cause of the problem, government schools. By forcing kids to be ‘educated’ and forcing their parents to pay for it has caused this problem. If parents had the option (& responsibility) of choosing the school then issues like this would be personal decisions. Instead today the FSM/evolution is the only science/intelligent design/etc. is a public policy decision to be enforced and pushed into the minds of the children.
Posted by: ProudMan | November 18, 2007 at 08:40 AM”
Another Hater. This person HATES the concept of community schools. All this person wants is for public education dollars to be funneled into the private and religious sectors.
This story line is getting old. This is just another typical reichwing strategy to make the public THINK that our community schools are analogous to the political indoctrination centers of the totalitarian regimes of the past.
Get a grip on yourself man. There is already school choice. Choose where you want to to live and attend the schools there.
“By forcing kids to be ‘educated’ and forcing their parents to pay for it has caused this problem. If parents had the option (& responsibility) of choosing the school then issues like this would be personal decisions. Instead today the FSM/evolution is the only science/intelligent design/etc. is a public policy decision to be enforced and pushed into the minds of the children.”
Parents do have the option to choose the school, it’s called private education. No one is forced to participate in government funded schools, we’re just forced to pay for them whether we choose to utilize them or not.
I’m amazed that a proclaimed Christian preacher, would NOT be convinced of the truth of the Bible.
Those in the Secular world, I would expect them to be like Mary.
Get a grip on yourself man. There is already school choice. Choose where you want to to live and attend the schools there.Posted by: Apophis | November 18, 2007 at 08:47 AM
That is no school choice, the public school in one city vs the public school in another. There is no choice as to what school your taxpayer dollars get given to and no choice (unless you are rich enough to send your kid through private school)as to the education your own children receive.
“Whose” truth of the bible would you be referring to Pat?
I don’t want to see tax money going to private schools…the government needs to stay away from them. Parents control the privately funded schools and that’s as it should be. I never resented my tax dollar going to public schools..it’s part of supporting the infrastructure of this country. I didn’t want my kids in the public schools so I put them in private ones where I knew they’d get the best education. I didn’t mind paying for it myself.
“That is no school choice, the public school in one city vs the public school in another.”
That is probably one of the most ASININE comments I will see today. Schools vary even within a city.
The FSM was to show another example of why science only should be taught in school. The people who believe ID should be taught also think this is an attack on religion. Do they not see the irony? They claim an attack on religion while continuing their insistence of ID being taught. They themselves equate ID and religion in this argument.
We weren’t rich and we still gave our kids a private education…we just sacrificed other things to do it. Most kids in private schools aren’t “rich”. I’m sick of hearing parents whine about how the government gives them no choice in their kid’s education…that’s a bunch of hooey. The government isn’t a surrogate parent to your kids..your kid’s education is your responsibility.
I.D. does not name the intelligent force behind creation. Fill in the blank with what you think makes the most sense. That way you can have an open mind and not offend your sensibilities while you figure out the real answer.
Science does not, and will not, have the answer for everything. Certainly not for creation. That kind of certainty does not exist.
Don’t forget to feed your spiritual need this Sunday.
“There’s no more scientific basis for intelligent design than there is for the idea an omniscient creature made of pasta created the universe. If intelligent design supporters could demand equal time in a science class, why not anyone else? The only reasonable solution is to put nothing into sciences classes but the best available science.”
There is no scientific explanation for the Primal Cause of matter and the original Big Bang either.
You either believe that Matter has always been in existence OR that A Creator has always been in existence.
In the definition war over “Science” some are excluding any explanation for the Primal Cause. Science can’t explain Primal Cause any better then Religion.
Instead of using a narrow definition for “Science”, why don’t we consider the Primal Cause in the “Education” of our kids?
Go ahead and teach competing theories for “Why we are here” or “How we are here”, including FSM, Evolution, and Creation. Why not teach the whole list of theories and encourage the kids to learn and think, instead of just indoctrinating them with PC answers.
“Whose” truth of the bible would you be referring to Pat?
Posted by: Apophis | November 18, 2007 at 08:53 AM
If you are a proclaimed Christian preacher and you post your beliefs on this blog, then you would know who’s truth of the bible.
That is probably one of the most ASININE comments I will see today. Schools vary even within a city.
Posted by: Apophis | November 18, 2007 at 08:54 AM
And selling your house, moving, and buying another house, is an assinie approach to school choice.
outlander, you’ve been misinformed.
Billy Dembski stated that ID is just the Logos idea of John, restated in technical terms. “In the beginning was the Word . . . ”
Philip Johnson baldly stated that the goal of ID is to get the (pseudo)science into the public school science classroom, so that students may be then introduced to the reality of Christ as their Savior.
“That kind of certainty does not exist.” – he states, certainly. Too funny!
How many times and ways has the bible been interpeted? How many times has it been censored and edited to fit the ideology of the times?
To all you Bible believing people…how do you determine what version and who’s interpetation to believe?
The government isn’t a surrogate parent to your kids..your kid’s education is your responsibility.
Posted by: Mary Caruso | November 18, 2007 at 08:59 AM
Agreed Mary. Then quit taxing people for Public Education. It’s the Parents responsibility to pay for their own kids’ education.
If you don’t own an automobile do you think you shouldn’t have to pay taxes that support highway systems? Our country has an infrastructure that includes public schools and highways.
Guess you could choose not to pay taxes but you know where that might get you.
You do have a choice of how and where your children are educated. Keep them at home, send them to your choice of private schools, send them to public schools.
“And selling your house, moving, and buying another house, is an assinie approach to school choice.”
I don’t know, people do it all the time. When we moved to Goddard, we allowed our kids to go to the public schools there…I never wanted them in the Wichita public school system.Schools do vary from neighborhood to neighborhood. Some are better quality than others…and the big determining factor is the parental involvement in the school. In lower socioeconomic areas, the schools aren’t as good because parents don’t value education as much…that’s just a fact.
In lower socioeconomic areas, the schools aren’t as good because parents don’t value education as much…that’s just a fact.Posted by: Mary Caruso | November 18, 2007 at 09:15 AM
And it’s a fact that the statement you just made Mary is racist and judgemental. Poor non-white people in poor neighborhoods don’t care about their kids education!
In lower socioeconomic areas, the schools aren’t as good because parents don’t value education as much…that’s just a fact.Posted by: Mary Caruso | November 18, 2007 at 09:15 AM
And it’s a fact that the statement you just made Mary is racist and judgemental. Poor non-white people in poor neighborhoods don’t care about their kids education!
Pat…So so you want to quit taxing people for the roads they don’t use, or public safety departments like the police or fire departments if they never have a fire or need for a police officer for anything? Education is a need and right and has value in a civilized society. I wish we supported it more than we do.
Don’t forget to feed your spiritual need this Sunday.
Posted by: outlander | November 18, 2007 at 09:01 AM
Got it covered outlander.
I plan to spend the day outside this lovely day appreciating nature. It is enough to have a lovely day. I do not need anyone to thank for it anymore than I would expect anyone to thank me for it.
“And the Flying Spaghetti Monster spoke unto them saying. “Like, get thee off thy barcolounger and away from thine picture box.” “Get out and do good. Or like at least enjoy yourself.”
Lasagntations 2:6
symbolic of the Christ CHILD, per se…
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Posted by: Wahawk | November 18, 2007 at 01:33 AM
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Wahawk — Do you see the word SYMBOLIC?? My statement stands as it is typed here… You cant prove it wrong, because it is a true statement… The SYMBOLIC references to the Christ CHILD came many years later!! Read AND think… engage what you have for a brain, please??
“And it’s a fact that the statement you just made Mary is racist and judgemental. Poor non-white people in poor neighborhoods don’t care about their kids education!”
No you’re racist, Pat..I never said anything about race..you just assumed that’s what I meant because your world is obviously pretty small.Poor people come in every race and nationality, and the big reason they are poor is because educated isn’t valued. If a parent doesn’t value education, then it’s most likely they aren’t going to be as supportive of their children’s education either.
Ask any teacher who worksd in the public school system if you doubt what I say.
The government isn’t a surrogate parent to your kids..your kid’s education is your responsibility.Posted by: Mary Caruso | November 18, 2007 at 08:59 AM
Look Mary, you said it’s the parent’s responsibility to raise their own kids, and I agreed with you.
Now you change your position.
Hillary!
…symbolic of the Christ CHILD, per se…
Posted by: Chas. | November 17, 2007 at 11:29 AM
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Wahawk — Do you see the word SYMBOLIC?? My statement stands as it is typed here… You cant prove it wrong, because it is a true statement… The SYMBOLIC references to the Christ CHILD came many years later!! Read AND think… engage what you have for a brain, please??
So, Chas is done with Church already! ( . at 9:25)
JR good idea…I’ts too nice out today to sit here and play…we went horseback riding yesterday in the Flint Hills…if anyone wants to feel close to God, I’d suggest that’s a great way to do it. The grandkids loved it too.Have a good one everybody.
I need to commune with nature up close and with a rake in my hands. At least I have a beautiful day to do it. If I get up some of the leaves maybe I can let the mulching mower handle most of them. Have a beautiful Sunday!
Chas no matter how many times you post, under a number of names “.”, “Chas”, “Sugar”, and no matter how many CAPS you use, you are still wrong!
Church out already or no one showed up for your sermon again?
“And it’s a fact that the statement you just made Mary is racist and judgemental. Poor non-white people in poor neighborhoods don’t care about their kids education!”
“So, Chas is done with Church already! ( . at 9:25)”
“Chas no matter how many times you post, under a number of names “.”, “Chas”, “Sugar”, and no matter how many CAPS you use, you are still wrong!
“Church out already or no one showed up for your sermon again?”
Re: Pat Herron.
DNFTT
JR just for the record I was in Omaha yesterday and set down for a quick look at the blog on returning. I post under one name.
I don’t want anyone to believe as I do because that is how I believe. I have stated that. What bothers me about Chas is that he professes to be a man of God and yet has no problem with others ridiculing his God. That would be like Apophis allowing others to ridicule public school and not feeling the need to rise to it’s defense.
This isn’t said in anger or hatred. I felt that the pasta monster was a real slap at my belief system. Intended or not that is what it said to me. I called no one names just stated my opinion.
It is a beautiful day and I plan to get out today as yesterday was spent on the road.
Have a great one!
Church out already or no one showed up for your sermon again?
Posted by: Pat Herron | November 18, 2007 at 09:37 AM
=======================Pat, you ignorant nut case… I guess you never heard of an early service?? I had Holy Eucharist at 8:30…. When does your hangover wear off??? Huh???
ALSO, today is not my day to be Celebrant… I have the rest of the services all week this week!!
I just love it when the Nut Cases melt down trying to figure out a non-fundamentalist schedule of worship!! ROFL!!
I guess you never heard of an early service?? I had Holy Eucharist at 8:30…. When does your hangover wear off??? Huh???
Posted by: Chas. | November 18, 2007 at 10:48 AM
And posting to a blog already at 9:25? Wow! Must take you how long to get from Church to home, to turn on the PC, then reading the blogs, then posting?
You bother to shake any church members hands and talk to them, or just run out the side door?
“What bothers me about Chas is that he professes to be a man of God and yet has no problem with others ridiculing his God.” (Germie)
“I felt that the pasta monster was a real slap at my belief system. Intended or not that is what it said to me.” (Germie)==========================The problem you have with me is that I dont have such a narrow faith that I feel anybody on this Blog was ridiculing MY FAITH… And YOU DO!! Sorry to see your faith is so small!!
The other problem you have with me is that I dont see the FSM as a slap at my belief system, and YOU DO!! Again, sorry to see your faith is so small!!
And in your smallness of mind, that makes ME wrong, and YOU right!!
But you know what, Germie?? It doesnt work that way in this Great Free Country!! I dont share your narrow beliefs… But thats OK, cause you dont share my broad based beliefs!! And that is as it should be!!
Thank GOD for freedom of religion!
Thank you Mrrs. Framers!!
“non-fundamentalist”
That answer’s Mary’s question on which version of the Bible to read, what to beleive etc…
Mary, you just believe whatever you want to beleive.
If you don’t like One passage of the Bible, you just ignore it, or make one up.
Assuming most participants in this forum are grown-ups (a leap of faith, I admit), and assuming that many are parents, I most certainly *don’t* think parents should have the final say as to what kids learn in school.
It’s like saying, “It’s *my* kid, so *I* should have the right to take out their appendix!”
I don’t have any school-aged kids now. Does that mean I shouldn’t pay school taxes? One of this nation’s founding principles was “no taxation without representation.” I refuse to cede my rights as a taxpayer to parents who think their religious faith in the Genesis story somehow constitutes “science.”
I’m gonna end up hiring some of the kids who are in school today. If I live long enough, today’s 2nd Graders will grow up to be my doctor, my cop, the person who changes my bedpan… If I’m gonna pay for their education, I expect to have a voice into how they’re educated.
Frankly, I don’t want kids taught *what* to think, but *how* to think. And I want professional educators, even with their flaws, doing that job rather than a bunch of ideology-driven people who think their role as a parent somehow gives them more clout than people such as I, who are paying the bills.
And for a Christian preacher to agree with abortion, just another example of why attendance at Church is dwindling.
Hypocracy.
Pat, that comment doesnt even deserve a civil response, so you arent going to get one… You have no idea where I live, or how long it takes me to get to my residence, or if my PC is even turned off… My, you can make so many assumptions!! And they are ALL wrong!! You know nothing of the length, or style of our Holy Eucharist… You have just shown your stupidity TWICE in one short morning… I think maybe you had best stop before you make it thre times, or even more!!
You know nothing of the length, or style of our Holy Eucharist…
Sure, two shots of booze in the bar on Sunday morning, everyone says “Praise God!”, then gulp down a couple shots of forgiveness and move on to the blog.
I get it.
And Germie has the GALL to think the FSM is a slap at her faith??
And I am supposed to put up with your cheap shots?? Well, not anymore you low life SOB!!
You just leave ME and MY Faith alone!! Got it, A$$H***???
Blogging at 1:00 am, then Church, then blogging again at 9:25 am.
Yeah, I believe.
And I am supposed to put up with your cheap shots?? Well, not anymore you low life SOB!!
You just leave ME and MY Faith alone!! Got it, A$$H***???Posted by: Chas. | November 18, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Blogging must be a new Christian outreach approach.
Chas–
A number of us are pretty sure that Pat Herron is the latest incarnation of you-know-what.
He lives here for the attention he doesn’t get in real life.
Don’t give it to him.
Thank you.
The Management
Attention?
I just came here to be saved by Chas and JR.
I love Chas preaching on the blog.
Then when he is questioned, he all of a sudden says his faith is no ones business.
Go figure.
Maybe I should go to Church to get saved.
But, I thought that’s what a blog was for, you know, Blog Preachers.
I wonder how many Church Members read this blog?
Excellent source to learn about God!
“Pat Herron” –
Saved for what?
Matthew 28: 19-20
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
Wow, Germie should be here so she/he could see what an assault on faith really is… LOL… Cause it sure wasnt the FSM!!
Bible verses, what an outrageous assault on faith!
I’m outta here… Seems to be too many hangovers, or bad trips, or something here this morning…
Byeeee kiddies have fun!!!
Chas I called you no names. I referred to you by the name you give us, Chas, I didn’t denigrate your faith just voiced my amazement that you don’t feel offended when others put down the God you profess to love.
I’m sorry I just got news that a very dear aunt of my daughter-in-law that she was very close to just died. She found out less than 3 weeks ago that she had terminal cancer and died at 7am this morning in Idaho. My DIL was on route to see her and was stranded in Denver and didn’t make it in time. Her son who is a career Army doctor was in Honduras and didn’t make it home in time to say goodbye. This makes our petty discussions immaterial to the grand scheme of things.
Thankfully her husband Joe, who was married to her for 62 years knows she is in a better and painfree place. He is still grieving and lost. I thank God for my faith at this time.
Chas peace be with you and others on the blog. I will return to fight another day.
Blessings to your daughter in law!
“..just voiced my amazement that you don’t feel offended when others put down the God you profess to love.” (ksgrm)==========================
And yet you do it again!! I have already stated that I dont feel offended by anything related to the FSM…. What is there that you dont get???
It is YOUR narrowness that makes you FEEL what you feel about MY faith… Dont you get it??? YOU feel offended, and you cant understand why I dont share YOUR feelings!!
I cannot feel offended by something that is not offensive!!
Do you get it NOW?? See, MY God is big enough to handle some good jokes!!
Neither religion nor FSM have a place in the teaching of science. FSM is anti-science, not anti-religious. Only those who are unable to see that religion doesn’t have a place in science are offended by FSM.
How very true Linda!! Excellent!
Frankly, I don’t want kids taught *what* to think, but *how* to think. And I want professional educators, even with their flaws, doing that job rather than a bunch of ideology-driven people who think their role as a parent somehow gives them more clout than people such as I, who are paying the bills.
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | November 18, 2007 at 11:00 AM
I don’t believe anyone on here would disagree with that statement. However, if you are supposing that somehow the government schools do not engage in teaching ‘what to think’ I would have to call that naive.
Any school inherently is going to teach what to think to one degree or another. If we had a real choice in primary and secondary education then if you found something disagreeable you could easily remove your child and place them somewhere more to your liking.
Choice should be only for the rich.
Oops!
Should be: “Choice should NOT be only for the rich.”
sounds like you want socialized education there PM
You want the government to GIVE you what you cant afford to BUY for yourself?? Hmmmm… That sounds like something very close to some sort of entitlement program!! LOL
“I’ts too nice out today to sit here and play…we went horseback riding yesterday in the Flint Hills…if anyone wants to feel close to God, I’d suggest that’s a great way to do it. The grandkids loved it too.Have a good one everybody.”
Posted by: Mary Caruso | November 18, 2007 at 09:29 AM
Great idea Mary. I’d love to take my wife and son out there. Did you go to a ranch that gives horseback tours?
I’m intrigue by your comment. Did you feel closer to God?
Why do these discussions always degenerate into name-calling, mud-slinging and other cheap shots? It is almost impossible to have any kind of calm, rational discussion of any topic where the social and religious spheres overlap. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a satire that arose out of the (repeated) attempt by the religious right to impose its worldview, mores, and rules on the rest of us. It’s not enough for religious fundamentalists to believe what they believe and be content with that; all too often they are bound and determined to force the rest of us to comply with the rules and guidelines that they live by. Of course there are rules that we all have in common, but the Intelligent Design movement is an excellent example of the religious right trying to impose its worldview on everyone else. There is absolutely no scientific evidence supporting a creationist or intelligent design theory of the origin of the universe; there is a mountain of evidence supporting a scientific explanation. So, what does the ID camp do? They exploit the minor weaknesses in the scientific explanation (that’s right, no scientific explanation is perfect – although the scientific explanations are orders of magnitude better than any religious explanation) but offer absolutely no opposing evidence of any kind to support an ID or creationist explanation. They intentionally misuse the scientific meaning of the word “theory,” using the vernacular meaning instead, which actually does apply to the ID explanation. They attempt to jerry-rig school curricula such that absurd ID explanations are taught in science classes alongside legitimate scientific explanations that have been tested and reviewed by practicing scientists. Sorry, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster story is exactly as credible as the Genesis story or any other creation myth. This is not an attack on anyone’s religion – it is merely a satirical defense of science against attack from the religious right who would replace rigorous science with a story from a single book that has no evidence whatsoever to support it. If you don’t like it, home-school your kids, educate them at a Christian school, or explain your views to them at home or at church on Sunday, which is where these stories belong, not in science class at school. I don’t pay taxes so that science teachers can teach my kids – and everyone else’s – that the world was made in six days.
Hoo Ha! I leave town for a weekend and it’s a new thread, but it hasn’t changed a bit. The RR is feeling just as paranoid as it did last Friday (what was that about religion being anti-fear?)!And Nathan, Kansas, rlf et al., just to get it straight,I wasn’t making fun of your religion, I was making fun of YOU!
2 John 1:7-11
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
8 Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward.
9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.
15.3 Halogenation of Benzene
Benzene does not react with bromine or chlorine unless a Lewis acid is present in the mixture. (As a consequence, benzene does not decolorize a solution of bromine in carbon tetrachloride.) When Lewis acids are present, however, benzene reacts readily with bromine or chlorine, and the reactions give bromobenzine and chlorobenzene in good yields.
Romans 10:17
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
Capn and Apophis have shown themselves to have the maturity of 13 year olds. Examples, Cap’n “cleverly” saying I took my sons to prostitutes for sex education, Apophis accusing Kansas of drinking cheap whiskey nightly.
In Apophis’s case this may be the result of working among 13 year olds with only limited outside-world adult-adult interaction for so long his brain “de-evolved”. Or maybe he never developed adult-maturity social skills to begin with, so it was easiest to “hide out” among children to make a buck.
I pointed out State of Kansas published data. The lead PUBLIC EDUCATION AGENCY has found that Wichita trails the rest of the state in employing highly qualified (this means fully qualified) math and science teachers.
You can blame poor parenting (all the product of the last 2 generations of public education, of note), but that doesn’t explain how the educator-run school system here, independent of poor parenting, fails to keep close to the pace of the rest of Kansas districts in employing highly-qualified teachers, including minority-student-predominant Kansas City Kansas, or the mostly white, but economically-struggling large town / small city Hutchinson. (Both with $39 k median family incomes vs. Wichita’s $49 k.)
How can we explain $40k median family income, 11 k population Arkansas City having substantially higher percentages of fully qualified teachers in 3 Regents University fields, History and Government (100% v. 80%), and English Language Arts (100% v. 91%), Mathematics (92% v. 80%), while only marginally trailing Wichita in Science (76% v. 80%) and Foreign Language (71% v. 76%).
Ark City does a better job of recruiting fully qualified teachers in Regents University courses than does Wichita.
QUESTION 1: Which of the preceding communities is home to a Regents University?
QUESTION 2: Which of these communities is home to the LARGEST CONTINGENTS, both in raw numbers and in percentages of total population, of engineers, doctors, dentists, pharmacists, information technologists, nurses, and healthcare technicians who NEED TO KNOW MATH AND SCIENCE TO MAKE WICHITA’S ECONOMY WORK?
What we see is a patently obvious DISCONNECT between Wichita schools and the cornerstone math-and-science-dependent sectors of our economy.
MPS–
I feel sorry for you, man.
Did I miss something here, or did MPS just say that Ark City and Hutchinson are doing better in education and teacher recruiting/retention because the population has fewer minorities? Please tell me that’s not what he (she) said…
He/she might have, but not sure, TC
The gospel,
Certified organic angel hair pasta
Add pasta to boiling water. Cook 3 to 5 minutes (al dente) or until desired tenderness and drain. Do not overcook.
Sounds delicious Cosmos…
Blend pasta with shrimp or other sea food sauce??
“In Apophis’s case this may be the result of working among 13 year olds with only limited outside-world adult-adult interaction for so long his brain “de-evolved”. Or maybe he never developed adult-maturity social skills to begin with, so it was easiest to “hide out” among children to make a buck.”
This asinine inference all because I post that Kansas drinks cheap whiskey nightly and becomes more surly on the WEblog?
Wow………….you do need a CAT scan.
Scroll back up thread MPS, I addressed your analysis of the KSDOE data you cite.
Your irrelevance increases Doc.
Another question came to mind as I read your last post as well.Why aren’t you living in the KC area with your wife? I believe that is where she currently has her practice isn’t it?
Chas.
Re: Pat Herron
DNFTST (anyone want to guess what the “s” for?)
And really, consider taking it easy with your over the top responses to people like ksgrm
And Nathan, there is a word for people who put verses after verses (or any other quotation, for that matter) on a discussion board without comment.
It’s called spamming, and it’s obnoxious.
Chas,
Shrimp sauce is very good. I usually get the whole wheat pasta, and it has a stronger flavor than semolina.
Some recipeshttp://www.hodgsonmill.com/pasta/
Ramen.
I can’t believe you people! Pasta?! Sauce?! This is the Creator we’re talking about here – how could you even THINK about eating the flesh and blood of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the one who created us all and gave us life?!! Do you think Christians would EAT the flesh and blood of – oh, wait….
Sorry, nevermind. Try it with some basil pesto made with pistachios instead of walnuts – fantastic! And, add a little Romano to the Parmesan cheese for a bit of zip. The FSM would definitely approve (and all your sins will be forgiven in a tasty manner!)Bon appetit!
Out…We went to Hawthorne Ranch 8 miles North of Eureka…it’s great because everyone gets riding lessons before they head out on the trail..a nice 2-3 hour ride in the hills. And yes, I do feel closer to God anytime I go into nature, whether it’s riding out on the prairie, standing on a mountain, or diving into the ocean.
Pat…you’re a simple minded giggle, aren’t you? Yes, I believe in supporting education for our future generation, and I wish that we’d spend all the money we’re wasting in Iraq on education for our young. I just happen to believe that private education offered more for my kids than public education, so that’s what I choose for them until they were into high school. I haven’t “flip flopped” I believe that parents do need to be responsible (as involved) for their kids education, no matter if they choose public, private, or home school..but it also takes a village to raise and educate our children the right way, and that responsibility belongs to ALL of us…because we don’t live in this world alone now, do we dear?—–
it also takes a village to raise and educate our children the right way, and that responsibility belongs to ALL of us…because we don’t live in this world alone now, do we dear?Mary Caruso
Hillary Clinton is now blogging as Mary Caruso!
And just what are you doing to make the world a better place, Pat? Or are you just another one of those “talk the talk” but not “walk the walk” Christian hypocrites?
“Hillary Clinton is now blogging as Mary Caruso!”
Re: Pat Herron
DNFTT
300 posts on the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Sounds to me like too many people with way too little to worry about.
And sorry all you good Pastafarians, but I can’t believe in FSM either; I’m allergic to oregano and his noodly appendage would just make me sneeze!
Mary, I’m paying outrageous taxes so you can have wonderful welfare benefits.
Oh, and providing free blog articles for everyone’s enjoyment.
ksagnostic,
I am not spammming.
There is no point in talking directly with Chas.
I will simply post what Jesus has said and what the Bible says in response to Chas.
Nathan, it doesnt appear that Chas. is posting anything directly related to bible verses. Looks like you are making fun of what Chas. posts by using bible verses. Oh, I see, you are being your usual bigoted, self-centered individual as normal… carry on!!
There is very little of Jesus in Nathan.
That would appear to be true, from some perspectives, *
And yet I appear to be only one of a few posters here who actually quotes what Jesus and the Bible says.
sugar,
Nathan is just trying to prove that the points made by the FSM about religion are valid, and accurate.
And Nathan also “actually quotes” what Steven Milloy, and Bob Carter say re global warming.
WOW, that is so impressive! NOT!!!
With a good bible program, anybody can post bible verses. Wow!
And you cannot practice what it is you preach Mr nathan. This makes you a hypocrite.
You use the bible. You do not practice it’s teachings. You pick and choose from scripture to make you right.
In this, you try to become God.
You are not God.
Cosmos,
When you sit in front of your keyboard wondering why on earth anyone would ever say that you are no better than the trolls who you claim to not like, simply look at your posts here and you will see why.
* aka . aka Chas,
Nothing I have said here would be proof enough for you to ever call me a hypocrite or try to claim that I do not practice what I preach.
If you think I pick and choose scripture then show me how, don’t just say it.
Nothing I have done here would indicate that I am trying to become God.
Nathan,
Your posts upthread DO prove the points made by the FSM.
Steven Milloy and Bob Carter are NOT credible climate scientists.
And all that you have to refute that is a false personal attack against me??? Thank you for again proving my points upthread.
Nathan and his fellow Christians love to quote whichever bible verse suits them but it’s not like they’d actually follow the bible.
Here’s one:Luke 12:33. “Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys.”
With all the huge megachurches, the riches in the Vatican, television networks, product lines, luxury cars and Italian suits there are a lot of Christians who preach but none who follow. How many Christians here have sold their computer and given that money to charity?
Whats the matter Nathan? You got to make up other poster’s names because you cant handle anybody else ganging up on you? You dont think Chas. would come right out and take you on? You arent that scary! There are dozens who feel the same way ” * ” feels about what you say on this Blog! Good thing I am hitting the road for the day, or I might have missed that! Have a fairy nice day, Nathan!
“So, what does the ID camp do? They exploit the minor weaknesses in the scientific explanation (that’s right, no scientific explanation is perfect – although the scientific explanations are orders of magnitude better than any religious explanation) but offer absolutely no opposing evidence of any kind to support an ID or creationist explanation. They intentionally misuse the scientific meaning of the word “theory,” using the vernacular meaning instead, which actually does apply to the ID explanation.”
First, I’m a scientist and my initials are TC, too!
The thing about science is nothing is ever “true” as things are in deductive logic. The best we can do is “Given all of the evidence, this is the most likely explanation”. And then, it’s never left alone as true. Despite what creationists will have you believe about the “Church of Darwin”, it’s constantly tested and when something doesn’t mesh with the theory, it is repeated by other scientists. If it still doesn’t mesh, then parts of the theory are reworked. If there are so many holes in a theory that it no longer holds up that well, scientists will scramble to find a better explanation (supported by experimentation and evidence). Then the two camps will hash it out in many many journal articles and more evidence for either side will be gathered and eventually one is accepted as the “truth”. This process could take years.
Go to any conference and watch the heated arguments break out before everyone settles down and starts drinking, and you’ll see that the scientific community is not about groupthink.
The thing is, there is so much evidence spanning so many fields of science that supports evolutionary theory. Because of this, we can with confidence say “Yeah, this is how it happened”. But it’s still falsifiable! You’d just have to examine every single piece of evidence supporting it in the last 100 years and start refuting it. Nothing really makes sense without evolutionary theory.
ID is anti-science because it doesn’t do anything but attempt to poke holes. And it’s alternate explanation isn’t testable.
This thread has made me hungry for some meatballs.
>>With all the huge megachurches, the riches in the Vatican, television networks, product lines, luxury cars and Italian suits there are a lot of Christians who preach but none who follow. How many Christians here have sold their computer and given that money to charity?<<
Doug… the Christians that actually do that sort of thing do it out of humble obedience to Christ. Therefore, you will likely never know the answer to that question. I do know alot of Christians, and non-Christians alike that give generously to charity. IMHO it is not appropriate to say one is better than the other when it comes to giving. Both are needed.
Tara,The interesting part is how the ID(iot)s scream about a scientific establishment that hates them. If one of theirs actually disproved evolution, he’d be the most celebrated scientist since Einstein. Then why is it they don’t spend their money on research instead of PR?
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Chas, use all CAPS when you get mad!
Let Satan be gone from you!
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Posted by: popup! | November 19, 2007 at 05:23 PM
You must be getting tired of being wrong.
“Mary, I’m paying outrageous taxes so you can have wonderful welfare benefits.
Oh, and providing free blog articles for everyone’s enjoyment”
Sweetie, you don’t make enough in one year to cover the taxes I pay the government.
Mary, at $18,000/yr with 2 kids and a husband with no income, you are paying ZERO taxes.
Excuse me, I think you have me confused with someone else. I’m a full time RN with a husband who is a broadcaast engineer, and our 3 children are grown and gone. We have rental properties that I manage…and I’m still willing to bet I pay more in taxes than you earn in one year.
What odd is when I made less the 18,000 years ago I still paid taxes.
Before the Bush tax cut’s Tom, you paid taxes if you made less then $18,000.
After Bushs tax cut I still pay the same % in taxes and add in state and local taxes and im still getting screwed.
Tom you might should look at changing tax accountants. I think you have been had.
Ksgrm, he can’t do the math.
Or his 0% tax rate wasn’t cut.
Interesting true story…
It was 7/1 of 2002 or 2003, can’t recall for sure.
Several of my employees were asking their Supervisors if there was some big payroll error.
It seems that 250 some employees saw a $50 avg “pay increase” when the Bush tax cuts were implemented!
The payroll deduction rates were cut accordingly and employees earning on avg $35,000 to $40,000 per year saw a $50 increase in their take-home pay every 2 weeks!
I told every Supervisor and a few employees to blame Bush for those tax cuts on the rich! Then I made sure they all knew that THEY must be rich!
Did God use evolution? Was the world spoken into existence by God as the Bible says? Is there an intelligent designer in, behind and ahead of all we see and know that surrounds us?
If SETI computers recognize signals from outer space as coming from alien life would evolutionists be able to distinguish these signals from others as being created by a being, i.e., intelligently designed?
There is a growing field of study called information science which recognizes the difference between objects or patterns generated by random chance and those which are designed by an intelligent force. Informed people are able to tell the difference!
Darwinian fundamentalists – discover your world here http://www.evolutionisdead.com/media/DidGodUseEvolution.pdf