New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer took a beating before abandoning his idea of issuing driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. The issue also scuffed up presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who tried to admire Spitzer’s proposal without also supporting it. Spitzer gets credit, though, for identifying the problem. “The federal government has lost control of its borders, has allowed millions of undocumented immigrants to enter our country and now has no solution to deal with it,†Spitzer said Wednesday. Remember that it was not so long ago that even conservative Republicans such as Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Goddard, saw the common sense in trying to ensure that undocumented residents aren’t also unlicensed drivers. “If they’re working here, I want them driving legally here,†Tiahrt told The Eagle editorial board in April 2001. He changed his mind after Sept. 11. Now, illegal immigration is the most radioactive of political issues.
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The title should be:
ANOTHER REASON FOR CONGRESS TO FIX ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
It is becoming a trend for the WE Editors to not know the difference between legal and illegal immigration or perhaps they simply don’t care and are purposefully mixing the two…
Ok, Nathan, I’ll bite. How do we fix illegal immigration?Basically, I only see 3 solutions. They are:
1: Round up all the illegals or imagined illegals and pack them back home. That could prove to be a long and costly battle similar to the “war on drugs”. It would mean breaking up families and uprooting people who have established meaningful lives here and are, other than their country of origin, productive citizens. It would, however, show we are serious about upholding the laws of our country.
2. Try to control the borders from this point forward and let those who are here gain a fast track to citizenship or at least ignore the fact that they are here, letting bygones be bygones. This is the least disruptive (especially with a fast track to citizenship) but it does mean a bunch of people beat the system, came here illegally, and got away with it.
3. Bitch, moan, and whine about the illegals, the problems that are caused by them, both imagined and real, blame it on Congress (pick either party) or the President (present or past) and do nothing but watch the problem get worse.
Real discussion involves the first 2 but I bet we will be seeing a whole lot of #3 until after the election in 2008.
The photo of the license, blond hair, fair skin, it must be one of those immigrant problems.One thing for sure, the Eagle is trying their damnedest not to appear as a newspaper of hate.
U.S. Amnesties for Illegal Aliens Congress has passed7 amnesties for illegal aliens, starting in 1986.
1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA) Amnesty, 1986: A blanket amnesty for some 2.7 million illegal aliens2. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens3. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 19944. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America5. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti6. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens7. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens8. Nine current bills are vying to be Amnesty No. 8
November 6, 2007: Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) introduced legislation today emphasizing the principles of Attrition Through Enforcement. The SAVE Act will broaden and enhance border security and interior enforcement. With a number of border security Democrats and Republicans already agreeing to co-sponsor, this bipartisan effort may be Congress’s best chance to achieve substantial immigration reform this Congress. (Additional information follows below chart)
The principle behind Attrition Through Enforcement is that living illegally in the United States will become more difficult and less satisfying over time when the government – at ALL LEVELS – enforces all of the laws already on the books. It is also imperative that the government with the full cooperation of the private sector, implements certain workplace enforcement measures. The goal is to make it extremely difficult for unauthorized persons to live and work in the United States. There is no need for taxpayers to watch the government spend billions of their dollars to round up and deport illegal aliens; they will buy their own bus or plane tickets back home if they can no longer earn a living here.We know Attrition Through Enforcement works because, in states that have passed tough new laws to penalize employers of and deny public benefits to illegal aliens, the illegal aliens began to move out of those states, often before the new laws are even implemented. As it currently stands, almost 200,000 illegal aliens self-deport from the United States every year, but imagine how many more would leave if our government refused to award illegal aliens another amnesty, mandated all employers to verify a person’s eligibility to work here, cracked down on identity fraud and enabled local police to easily transfer illegal aliens in their custody to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials.Among many detailed border security provisions stressing more agents and better technology at minimal operating costs, the SAVE Act would:
· Increase border patrol agents by 8,000, utilize new technology and fencing to secure the border;
· Expand specialized enforcement programs, such as the “Tunnel Task Force”;
· And, address the “jobs magnet” by strengthening The Employment Verification Program (E-Verify) to close security gaps,
· Address loopholes, and make it mandatory for employers.
At this time the only Kansas representatives Jerry Moran and Nancy Boyda have signed on as CO-SPONSORS of this bill. We need to contact our Representatives and senators and demand that they join to pass this common sense legislation.
In many cases a Driver’s lisense will porvide an illegal the means to REGISTER TO VOTE.
No wonder some of the politicians want to grant them lisenses and amnesty.
November 16) , Senators Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) and David Vitter (R-La.) introduced Senate versions of Rep. Heath Shuler’s (D-N.C.) SAVE Act (Secure America with Verification Enforcement [H.R. 4088]). .R. 4088 now has 112 bi-partisan signers in the House who want to require all employers to use the electronic verification system to keep illegal aliens out of U.S. jobs. We believe that this legislation originating on the Democratic side of the House is just the vehicle to give us a chance to actually pass immigration legislation through a Democratic-controlled Congress that would significantly improve the lives of most Americans. “It’s the one [immigration] bill that will pass this Congress,” said Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus Chairman Brian Bilbray (R-Calif.) in an interview with The Hill. “We have to make this about illegal employment and crack down on employers.”
Wichita Eagle Journalist,
Please check out the attached website: American Hispanics against ILLEGAL Immigration.
http://www.dontspeakforme.org/
The WE is being extremely insensitive and disrespectful to all legal immigrants when it refers to illegal immigrants as immigrants.
Legal immigrants have “lawfully” entered the U.S., support the U.S. Constitution, and are as much a part of American society as any U.S. born citizen.If you’re a journalist, get a clue about your subject matter. Sheeze!
We do need to secure our borders, though it is a scare tactic it is the obvious reason. If there are people wishing to come into the United States to do harm. There is a real need to not give them a open way of getting in. That is just common sense, unless there is no real threat of that happening to begin with.
Of course that gives a real problem to those who want to hire the cheap labor. Like Trace Atkins said on the Gene Beck show, “Jobs that Americans do not want to do? Hell that guy on the discovery channel shows a lot of jobs that Americans are doing. That no one would seem to want to do, no it just they do not want to do them for the wages that are being paid!”. That is the only reason that our borders are not already been secured.
So that leaves the question, is the threat of terrorist attacks been totally overblown? The Government and business seems to answer the question with a yes. If we were to stop illegal immigration tomorrow they would complain that it would totally undermine the entire U.S. economy.
If we were to stop illegal immigration tomorrow they would complain that it would totally undermine the entire U.S. economy.
Posted by: writerdog | November 18, 2007 at 06:39 AM
Yes, the amount of jobs available for young people going through the training phase of their life would increase by huge amounts.
Those needing second jobs to boost their income wouldn’t have to compete with Juan or Juanita from Central America or Mexico.
So stopping illegal immigration is a bad thing?
I don’t think so.
When I was growing up, there was the token Hispanic illegal immigrant here and there. Most all of the menial jobs were done by Americans of all races.
Now days, we have entire communities of illegal immigrant housing. Don’t believe me? Pick up a police report sometime and read it.
Enough of this foolishness about illegal immigrants sneaking across the border via desert wasteland. They have to get a ride sometime right? All these coyote cattle trailers, vans and enclosed carriers are being provided by someone and on the U.S. side of the border and on U.S. highways.
Make it a Federal law, that if you drive this type of vehicle along our southern border, there will be a 100 percent chance that you will be inspected by INS or even State Police.
Take away Federal funds from city who provide sanctuary to illegal immigrants. Make it hurt – give a five year removal of all Federal funds if a city, county or State is found complicit in assisting illegal immigrants to find comfort and aid in U.S. population areas.
Make officials personally liable from lawsuits and conviction if they create policies encouraging illegal immigrant occupation and immigration.
Remove the non-profit status from any Church, facility or business found utilizing their facilities, funds or equipment harboring or assisting illegal immigrants. Put the violators in prison.
Have Congress draft up a border invasion act whereby any country assisting, encouraging or involved in trafficking of illegal immigrants not only lose all assistance from the U.S. by any means, but said invasive and illegal immigration becomes an act of sabotage against the United States and can be brought forth before the World Court.
You want low wage workers? Fine. Have the illegal immigrants who are caught build the prisons they will live in. Then make the penalties for entering the United States illegal extremely painful.
That is, if they don’t choose deportation after one year, then their prison term becomes a ten year mandatory sentence without the possibility of parole. Make industries in the prisons where the funds go to the State housing them.
More radical solutions including setting up a zone along the Mexican border much like the Israelis have. That is, confiscate the Mexican land, mine it and keep it patrolled with U.S. Military until Mexico decides to enforce only legal immigration.
Send a strong message to the countries in Central America that violations of the illegal immigration will not be tolerated. Hit them in the pocket book and make it extremely painful. This would include making it illegal for any U.S. company to trade, sell or barter any sales, banking transaction, scientific or personnel exchange.
Sorry for being so brutal, but sometimes you have to take the board of Justice and whack the stubborn mules of Political tripe right between the eyes to get their attention.
Basically I agree with dealing compassionately with the Illegal Aliens who are CURRENTLY here.
The fact still remains that our government has not been given the approval to enforce the laws that will keep THE NEXT WAVE OF ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS from coming to the U.S.
State such as Arizona, and Oklahoma to name two heave enacted tough penalties on employers. GUESS WHAT???? The illegals are moving, some are going south, but I bet a good percentage is moving north. Our Kansas legislatures need to enact tough penalties for employing Illegals. E-VERIFY is in place NOW for employers to use to make sure they are hire eligible workers.
ILLEGAL ALIENS came to our country for a better life. Instead they HAVE BECOME THE SLAVE of modern American “plantation owners. This will not change until we address the EMPLOYERS who are responsible for creating the JOB MAGNETS.The SAVE act is the only ENFORCEMENT Bill in Congress, and it’s way OVERDUE.
Spitzer DID get one thing right:
” Spitzer gets credit, though, for identifying the problem. “The federal government has lost control of its borders, has allowed millions of undocumented immigrants to enter our country and now has no solution to deal with it,” Spitzer said Wednesday.”
So the point that even a dim bulb like Spitzer can understand the SECURING THE BORDER IS THE FIRST STEP.
Anything else is BS and counterporductive. Those of you NOT supporting securing the border and wanting waves of illegal aliens to continue to come in are TRAITORS.
Don’t give me that “we cannot build a fence” or “we cannot secure our border it is impossible” are jokes as well. We sent a man to the moon, and have command of many types of engineering and technical capabilities, AND we have people that WANT to secure the border.
For those that think this is not a problem, just remember that CHINA is building a lot of factories in Mexico to circumvent NAFTA. There will Chinese and LOTS of them in Mexico. IF any of you think it sucks in Mexico, well it REALY SUCKS in China.
The point being is that LOW wages is guaranteed only if you CONTINUE illegal immigration, once that is stopped the wages will go up, and there will be a helluva lot more chinese tha will work harder and cheaper than the predominatel Mexican and Latin American illelgal alien will.
Watch the racism then. Just go out to Garden City and see how well the Vietnamese and the Mexicans get along out there. You can bet the hispanics/latinos will see a need gor “immigration reform with border security first” if it was chinese coming through Mexico.
That would be racism and is the hallmark of the illegal alien supporter.
“”"The photo of the license, blond hair, fair skin, it must be one of those immigrant problems.One thing for sure, the Eagle is trying their damnedest not to appear as a newspaper of hate.”"”
That was probably an illegal from Canada. You know many of them sneak in here too but they are less visible. Illegal immigration from Canada is much less than Mexico but it still exist- not mostly from native Canadians but from people who immigrate to Canada then sneak in here.
I am in favour of drivers licenses for illegal immigrants. A drivers license should not be a tool for immigration policy (or for that matter anything not related to driving including child support enforcement). A drivers license should be granted to anybody that can pass the exam and has proper liability insurance and registration on their vehicle. If you get hit by a Mexican who does not have any insurance because he could not get a license, you will change your mind on this issue because you will get stuck with the bills.
In the great AMNESTY of 1986 2,700,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS were give the opportunity to become LEGAL. Most took it.
NOW, 21 years later the number of ILLEGAL ALIENS is TEN TIMES THE PROBLEM IT WAS IN 1986.
Example, GARDEN CITY KANSAS. Monfort and IBP build huge Beef packing plants. Dodge City EXCELL moves from wichita to Dodge City.
In all these Cases, These packing operations required a workforce of more that 25% of the EXISTING POPULATION of those communities.
HIndsight tells me that these companies knew they could attract CHEAP LABOR, meaning CHEAP ILLEGAL LABOR and everyone would look the other way while they saved millions in payroll.
We need to penelize all employers who depend on Illegal labor. There are many people who will work for decent wages. THE ILLEGAL ALIENS are not imigrants. They are a burden on our welfare system, medical system, and especially our schools.
In Garden City, ESL classes were put in place in the 80’s-90’s because the ESL at home was so predominate. The cost is tremendous.
Does anyone know what the total cost of each ILLEGAL ALIEN is in terms of $ per year??
If someone broke into your home and stole that amount from you or your business what would you do?
KEV,
With a driver’s lisense you can register to vote. That is one Scary thought to the long time US citizens in places like Dodge City, KS, Liberal KS, Garden City KS, Emporia KS.
This IS a security issue. Don’t wait for Former Pres. Fox to be elected KS. gov. for you to wake up.
Until we do real comprehensive immigration reform, we are going nowhere with this issue. We need to do a general amnesty for people that may have snuck in but are hard working, law abiding and tax paying AND willing to learn basic English. I will point out ot you that many illegals are actually better “citizens” than much of the native born stock. That is one reason employers like to hire them. They recently had a business owner on TV here and he made the point of saying that “low pay” is not the primary reason he hires them. His jobs in a small metal stamping plant pay the prevailing wage. He stated employers hire the immigrants because they show up on time everyday and do a day or work for a day of pay unlike the Americans they used to hire that call in sick, go outside for smoke breaks all the time and complain when asked to put in an occassional few hours of overtime to fill an order. I believe this too from my own observations. These are the kinds of people we should want here. At the same time however we need to make it clear that this will be the LAST and FINAL amnesty and that we are going to get serious about people sneaking in here. We are going to jail employers caught hiring them- and yes- this includes domestic help so if you hire a lawn man or a nanny, you had better make damn sure they are legal and that we are going to build a fence and we are going to enact Real ID and issue tamper proof IDs to every citizen and legal resident- even biometric IDs if needed. And yes, we are going to build the fence along that border and patrol it 24/7 and if we catch you sneaking in more than one time, you are going to do some jail time here before we send you back home.
Go to this site and read the lates print ad.
http://www.dontspeakforme.org/
This ad is by GREAT AMERICANS who what to keep our country Great.
Kev, 1986 2.7 MILLION were give amnesty. But we did not ELEMINATE THE MAGNETS WHICH CAUSED THEM TO COME.
They come for:
JobsFree Health careBetter schoolsAnd for a great part, to make a better life for themselves.
They have become the modern day SLAVE LABOR.
We must secure our borders, enforce our laws, and stop the flow of illegals BEFORE we can deal with the huge number currently here.
We have 10 time the illegals we had in 1986 when we had the “last great amnesy”.
We need to stop the flow now,by eleminating the magnest listed above, because if we don’t the problem will be 10x-20x worse in another 20 years.
Kev:
What documents would a state use to identify illegal immigrants that “just want to drive legally?”
Most, if not all, are using fraudulent ID documents and have multiple identities.
Your theory of allowing them to get driver’s licenses, just puts more people with fake identities on the public roadway. How would that help anything?
Posted this in the open forum but since the subject is here today:
REPUBLICANS SEEK TO THROW COUPLE OUT OF USA FOR GETTING MARRIED!
That is a fact! Here we have 2 good Americans- one a doctor in a rural area (such people are hard to come by these days) that the Bushies want to toss out of the country. Did they sneak in? NO. Did they cover up a Nazi past? NO. Did they commit a crime in the USA? NO. Did they refuse to pay taxes? NO. What they did was GET MARRIED and with Immigration that is a SIN! You see if you apply to enter the United States LEGALLY and then get married between the time you apply and you are issued a visa- which can take 10 years- then they will kick you out. I had to go through the same crap with them when we would cross the border between my wife’s country (Canada) and the USA. As long as we were single, no problem crossing but the minute we got married BIG problem. Until my wife was issued her green card- which took almost 2 years- we could not cross the border together. Only separate. So if these 2 had simply shacked up and said to hell with the marriage part, they would be fine. But instead of kicking out convicted CRIMINALS like the child rapist who killed the students in New Jersey, the Bushies would rather spend the government’s money seeing that married people are kicked out. This from the “party of family values” of course.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071117/a
“”"Kev:
What documents would a state use to identify illegal immigrants that “just want to drive legally?”"”
The same ones required here- a birth certificate from the country or orgin (officially translated if in a language other than English) plus a passport or drivers license from the country of orgin. In addition proof of residency and an ability to pass the written and road exam. Also, the law should be that we will give the exam in your language only the first time. In 4 years you will have to renew and take the exam again in English. Only then should the be issued a license which clearly states in bold red letters NOT A USA CITIZEN and NOT FOR ID PURPOSES on it.
I AM AMAZED AT THE FACT, I READ THE EAGLE’S OPINION PAGE EVERY DAY, AND I “ALWAYS” FIND THE “EXCERPTS FROM OUR BLOG” MOSTINTERESTING. WHOEVER PICKS OUT WHAT TO PRINT THERE CERTAINLY DOES A GOOD JOB. I ACTUALLY ENJOY READING IT WHETHER I ALWAYS AGREE WITH THE FACTS OR NOT. FROM ME YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT A REAL COMPLIMENT.
Kev…
Memo to self: Illegal aliens are outlaws. The 15 to 20 million in American that you think should be licensed drivers, do not have passports, birth certificates or driver’s licenses from their country of origin.
Many, if not all, obtain fraudulent identities when they illegally enter the U.S.
That is why they are referred to as “undocumented.”
Your logic is flawed, sorry.
Those who have entered this country illegally should NEVER be granted citizenship. Period. If we want to give them some sort of permanent guest worker status, I guess that is okay. But I think they should be able to:
1) SHow proof of residence for at least 5 years.
2)Show proof of employment, or at the least, proof that they have a job available when they are granted the special status.
3)They should show proof of insurance or proof that an employer will give them insurance.
4)They can never get any sort of cash assistance, they must provide some sort of gurantee of major health insurance, at the least.
5) Be exempt from Social security taxes, as they would never be able to collect
6) Be instantanteously deported if found guilty of a felony, or more than 3 misdeamanors, not including traffic.Employers should
1) Be required to hire special status grantees only after a database check for positive identification
2) Be required to provide health insurance
3) be required to fund a pension program for these people, that is transportable…like a roth or 401k
4) be liable for 2 years profit per illegal alien found to be working for them, excluding those checked through the database.
5) Be liable for prison sentences of the ceo/hrdirector etc. if the practice is widespread
Just a start. Other ideas, but gotta go
Something illegal alien supporters need to watch:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8037363480810425705&q=battle+for+the+republic+Alex+Jones&pr=goog-sl
Going to Mexico you can see the old border fence which is about 8 feet high. Talking to the locals you’ll find that nobody really made much effort to actually get over them before NAFTA because there wasn’t much incentive. Now, post-NAFTA there is a huge fence. People driven into poverty because of American corn subsidies and the inability to protect Mexican jobs with tariffs have caused a flood of people to come to America after losing their jobs and homes. About a million and a half Americans have gone to Mexico to live where it’s cheaper but a lot are wealthy Americans. A lot of construction is new condos for the rich foreigners to live.
There’s two simple things to do. Restructure NAFTA so jobs can be protected in Mexico and America. The other is to punish the illegal employers who hire the illegal immigrants for cheap labor. One will cut the need for Mexicans to leave, the other will cut the incentive for Americans to want them to come here.
DougHuh?
NAFTA does not cause the illegals to come here.
Stupid, corrupt, Mexican policy causes Mexico to be poor.
Mexico does a poor job protecting contracts. Mexico does a poor job providing infrastructure to ship products.
You illegal alien supporters need to wake up! You are helping to sell our country down the tubes, and YOU are TRAITORS!
Part 1: http://uk.youtube. com/watch? v=oEo-XlUAjZc
Part 2: http://uk.youtube. com/watch? v=elOi2s0MCLk
Part 3: http://uk.youtube. com/watch? v=9bCTV1tI8oI
Part 4: http://uk.youtube. com/watch? v=eTIG2naU_ kM
Part 5: http://uk.youtube. com/watch? v=ReC65SvMzCQ
Mexico is a beautiful and well endowed country that has been ruined by the corrupt government and the Catholic Church. The government there is corrupt and fails to have a climate conductive to business. I have heard American business people say that they would rather do business with about anybody but Mexico. At the same time, the Catholic Church has discouraged birth control and made it hard to even get in Mexico which has resulted in overpopulation. But these are problems the Mexican people need to solve beginning with their government. We cannot and should not serve as a safety valve to take the unemployment problem from Mexico.
why don’t we bring all the troops home from Iraq to patrol the borders? We need them over here more than we need them in Iraq. Have National guard units spent their mandatory yearly 2 weeks training patrolling the borders also. No need to hire extra border patrol and our troops would be kept trained.
KevThe Catholic Church has often been persecuted by the Mexican government.You don’t know what you are talking about.
Also, we are talking about MEXICO!
Is it your position that Mexico, a country overun by Marijuana, Cocaine and other drugs, is able to control the supply of BIRTH CONTROL pills?
That is crap.
In fact, prior to Roe V. Wade, Mexico was a common destination for abortions.
Your anti-Catholic bias is showing Kev.
You really don’t know what you are talking about.
Not that I support all of the Mexican programs, but to pretend that the Catholic Church controls Mexico is absurd:
http://www.colby.edu/personal/t/thtieten/pop-mex.html
Oh, Rhonda:
About Tiahrt being for illegals obtaining driver’s licenses BEFORE he was against it…that’s a real shocker! What else would you expect from a political lap dog?
Oh, Rhonda:
About Tiahrt being for illegals obtaining driver’s licenses BEFORE he was against it…that’s a real shocker! What else would you expect from a political lap dog?
Kev: When the US clamped down on those who overstayed their Visas, guess where they (mostly Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs) lined up to claim refugee status? Canada, where they’ve added countless months of administration nightmares to process their claims and try to keep track of them before we can deport. Even then they still clog up the system with appeals. Immigration “Consultants” know that if you can get onto this continent, you can play one system to it’s fullest extent and if it looks like you’re on the way back to your country of origin, simply cross the line, and start all over again in the new host country. After years of wrangling, Canada and the US will not now accept any refugee claim originating in either country, a point underscored when our Supreme Court denied refugee status to American servicemen who deserted from serving in Iraq. More claims for refugee status in Canada originated from US territory than anywhere else. (non-US citizens of course). People do sneak into the US from Canada but it happens the other way too. We have a problem with Mexicans showing up across the river from Detroit in Windsor, Ontario, aided by Immigration “Consultants” in Florida who decalare Canada as the promised land! We have no idea how many crossed illegally. We both have a problem it’s just that yours is a helluva lot bigger……I think.
Solution to Illegal Immigration
http://www.resist.com/racistgames/playborderpatrol/borderpatrol.htm
Paul, I know you are ignorant on economic matters so maybe I can explain it to you in simple terms. NAFTA eliminated tariffs which countries put in place to protect jobs in their own country by keeping out cheap imports. Without the tariffs America sent in heavily subsidized agricultural products. The Mexican farmers couldn’t compete with America’s dumping practices so they lost their jobs and their homes.
Now to complicate matters America’s increase consumption of corn for ethanol has increased corn prices. The problem is that the farmers have already lost their jobs and came to America so there aren’t many people to produce the crops in Mexico so they must rely on imports. Since you only pay attention to Rush and the Fox Noise Channel you probably missed the protests in Mexico concerning the high corn prices.
Again, I recommend you actually study a subject before commenting on it like you know something.
Doug
Nancy Pelosi thinks employers should get dragged into court if they require their employees to speak English on the job:
http://www.colby.edu/personal/t/thtieten/pop-mex.html
DougYour name calling simply encourages people to scroll past your posts, rather than read your falsehoods.
So, by all means, keep being childish.
For your most recent post to hold any water, you would have to believe that Mexico produces NO agricultural products at all. You would have to believe that all the workers left, so that now Mexico can not produce due to lack of labor.
This is clearly not true. There is no “vacant” or fallow ground in Mexico, that used to be farmland.
The problems in Mexico are due to Mexican law and Mexican policy. Most notable are the restrictions on land ownership.
Mexico will not allow “corporate farms”.
Mexico will not allow “foreign ownership” of real-estate.
http://www.mexicolaw.com/Agriculture.htm#Processing%20&%20Distribution
We need a President who will scold Mexico for the racist policies of the Mexican government.
We simply want the employees at Salvation Army to speak English. We want to protect charities like the Salvation Army from lawsuits if they require their employees to learn English.
We will still allow anyone to own property, however.
What would you liberals think if we did not allow foreigners to purchase real estate, in the United States?
The problems in Mexico are due to the backwards, protectionist, racist policies of the Mexican government.
It is time for America’s political leaders to start scolding Mexico for their harmful policies.
And, make no mistake:
“Open Borders” is the policy of the Democrat Party.
I fully realize the President Bush was slow to act on this one, but: Bush isn’t running this time!
WE all need to encourage our represenative and senators to support the SAVE act, originally introduced by REP.Shuler of NC. In addtion to the house bill there have been two identical bills introduce in the US Senate this past week.
This is a common sense approace to the MAGNETS which draw ILLEGAL Aliens and force LEGAL IMIGRANTS throught the proper existing legal channels.
We must stop the flow of ILLEGALS before we can address the current probems here inside our borders.
WE cant’ affford to repeat the same mistakes after the 1986 Amesty.
Paul, some days your insane ramblings make absolutely no sense, I guess that’s why they are insane ramblings. As usual you couldn’t address the issue but that’s merely because you don’t have a grasp on the issue so you must ramble about the Salvation Army or some pointless crap.
BTW, the Salvation Army is in Mexico and they speak Spanish. I guess that really gets your goat.
Here, I’ll provide a link that may help you since the concept of using a search engine is foreign to you:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/31/MNGIVK8BHP1.DTL
I like the idea of simply enforcing the laws we have, and taking away an illegals reason for being here. No welfare, no medical care, no ability to work. It still won’t stop the criminals who are coming here for better illegal opportunities, but if ICE were properly funded, we could weed them out as well.
Let them deport themselves.
Their is still the issue of drug smuggling. They will continue to come over the border with drugs, even if just to go back and get another load. You keep drug prices high, you find kids have less access.
Of course, their is always meth. That stuff is mostly smuggled now also, because the ingrediants needed to make it are tougher to get. I think a world wide ban on all production of effedrine (or whatever the key ingrediant is) would work. But then again, what will they come up with next? Really, the whole meth epidemic was a result of high drug prices.
Enforce what we already have, that makes alot of sence.
DougProject much?
You arent making any sense.
You want us to stop trading with Mexico, and somehow, that will make the Mexicans in Mexico “rich” and they won’t need to move North, anymore?
Who is insane here?
My point is clear Doug:
Nancy Pelosi, the Democrat Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, wants to block a law that would protect the Salvation Army from lawsuits brought by illegal alliens that can’t speak English.
In other words, you liberals want it BOTH ways: You want the public mad at Republicans for not “fixing” the problem, but you want all the Democrat votes you can get, so you let the illegals who are here take the rest of us to court!
The leadership of the Democrat Party is for open borders and no enforcement of our existing laws.
This is a fact.
I did not ramble.
I made a very firm, valid point:
Mexico won’t let Americans buy land in Mexico.
American liberals won’t allow American employers to require their employees to learn the English language.
Here is the Nancy Pelosi piece I meant to post, earlier:
http://opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010881
Again, the Democrats do not want employers, in the United States, to require their employees to speak English!