“You might wonder why they care so much — Gore, after all, is obviously not going to run for president, and even some conservatives now concede that global warming is real,” wrot1 Jonathan Chait in the Los Angeles Times. “The answer is that Gore’s triumph is a measure of George W. Bush’s disrepute.”
Time and again, since the 2000 election showdown between the two, Bush has dismissed Gore’s observations on everything from the war to climate change as “radical,” only to be embarrassed later. Any Gore successes only further embarrass those who tagged him as a disastrous White House possibility.
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da GORACLE…
(chortles)
Well, let’s see…he’s intelligent in that bookish sort of way (he don’t talk Texan), and he could actualy win something in a non-rigged-by-the-state-legislature-and-Supreme Court kind of election.Then, too, he actually is something of a visionary, which makes it easy forhim to be mocked by conservatives who wish they would have some ideas but are too busy trying to avoid defining torture. A good slogan–making up things he didn’t actually say to mock the man’s intelligence.
Plus, he’s a Democrat. Short of Zell Miller, the “Democrat” who spoke at the Republican Convention in 2004, what Democrat don’t conservatives hate?
Hate?
No.
Disagree with?
Yes.
Why do we care?
Because he is still doing things which make us care.
Climate change?
Still don’t agree with Gore.
The War?
Still don’t agree with Gore.
Are those two issue indicative of Gore embarrassing President Bush let alone anyone?
No.
Are the WE Editors ever going to give us a thread praising a Republican?
Doesn’t appear so.
I had lunch with a distant cousin this week (she’s a Texan) and someone asked her what she had against Gore.
She said, “Let me count the ways!”
So I asked her.
Her first gripe was that he grew a beard after the 2000 election was given to Shrub.
Okay. My cousin is not the brightest pencil in the deck. But she went on to carp about how Al “suddenly started on this environement thing.” I told her that Al Gore has been talking about environmental issues for decades and she said, “Well. I didn’t know that.”
My cousin is a piece of work. She’s made and lost a whole string of fortunes based on pyramid schemes, AMWAY-ish party sales ploys, and assorted other scams. You should be there when she claims that bee pollen can cure cancer. You might be convinced.
My cousin reminds me of posters to this forum such as “Kansas,” “Nathan,” “Max,” and “ksgrm,” et al. They seem to be such true believers in the prejudice-of-the-day, the conservative-spin-du-jour, the fantasies that are so much more acceptable than, you know, reality.
I’ve spent most of my lide disagreeing with conservatives. But they used to make a modicum of sense. I respected conservatives when they objected to budget deficits. I accepted conservatives’ opinions when they insisted that foreign military engagements should not occur without an exit strategy. I could not disagree with conservatives when they resisted an all-powerful federal government that could deprive individuals of their Consitutional rights.
And I’m at a loss when I see that today’s so-called “conservatives” no longer believe in what they said they believed in.
He’s one of those damn intellectuals, instead of an everyday guy, could be your neighbor, that talks our language, like that bushie.
If he’d just ride a bike and fall off every once in a while, he could get accepted!
The reason I voted for G.W. Bush in 2000 was simple, he had an “R” by his name and he was running against Al Gore. Vice President for President Bill Clinton, the Republican’s could have run anyone even a wino from E. Douglas and I would have voted for him over Gore. He had the taint of Clinton to him and I had came to hate Clinton. Not be cause of him being a Democrat, but because he was a bad image for the children of America.
And I took it personally when Clinton looked into that camera and said “I did not have sex with that woman…. Monica Luwensky!”. No Gore to my opinion was a Clinton want-to-be, he claim to have invented the Internet and whole bill of goods! Now in 2007 I look back and think there would have been no Iraq, our attention would have still been on the criminals that attacked us and it would have been handled in a way that is in the best interest of America. Do I hate Gore? No, not anymore Global warming may be nothing more than the same double negative thinking the Neocons espouse about terrorism “Just because there is no conclusive proof does not mean it is not happening. So we need to do something before we know!”.
I was asleep at the wheel too long, buying into lies and half-truths just because I did not want to think about it. I was not totally asleep, I saw Rush Limbaugh more a sad joke then a great orator. BUT I was asleep enough I did not see where my party was heading and that Limbaugh was the tip of an iceberg. Now I want to see Ron Paul get the big chair but if not I would rather see Gore get the White House over Hillary.But for the most part except for Paul, I see all the candidates on both sides as being more of the same.
Al Gore is a learned, thoughtful fellow — almost an academic — who will always be vulnerable to the simplistic jabs of those who lack the patience, insight, and/or intellect to carefully examine his positions and points of view. (Of course, academics seldom enter politics and if they try to do so, are seldom successful. I’m sure that virtually all of our nation’s greatest historical figures would not have been telegenic or successful if they had had to present themselves via our current dominant avenues of publicity and communication.)
Complex problems require detailed analysis and often, fairly complex solutions. But, via the operational strategies of our biggest and loudest media outlets, too many in our society have come to expect/demand simplistic notions and snappy slogans rather than reasoned analyses no matter how difficult the issue or problem at hand. Of course it’s easier to listen to, read, and think about short, simple problems and “solutions” rather than those that are more complicated. Moreover, they are more fun to listen to. But, simplistic notions and slogans are almost always incomplete and inaccurate.
Our forebears in earlier generations differed from most of us in that while they didn’t know or understand many of the details of complex problems, they knew that it was wise to put people in charge who did. Nowadays, much of the electorate is reluctant to concede that others may know more than they do about complex issues and regardless, this same portion of the electorate is unwilling to respect and look for guidance from those who are more learned.
The situation is rather like this: There have always been many more “C” and “D” students than “A” students in school and yes, the C’s and D’s always liked to poke fun at the peculiarities of the A’s. But in earlier generations, most of the C’s and D’s actually admired the A’s and looked to them as leaders when difficult challenges were to be tackled. Now most of the C’s and D’s just prefer to ridicule and throw stones at the A’s because to do otherwise might concede that the A’s really do know more and might well be likely to show them up.
There is a difference between “Intellectual” and “smart” the intellectual see things in concepts not always based on real facts. Then comes to a conclusion based more on the concepts rather then the facts.The smart is knowing facts and then coming to a conclusion based on the facts.
The core of the Neoconservatives believe themselves intellectuals there for smarter then the average person.
They believe in concepts that the average person can not grasp, therefore it would be a waste of time to try and explain them to the masses. Gore is more smart then intellectual, though there is room for him to have fallen for some concepts not based on a provable fact. Once you get passed all the known provable facts, you then have to go by an apparent concept. But when you go on concepts you get to a point where there is more guess then knowledge. Adding into this mix is the general lack of believing in anything as fact and true. If you grasp nothing as true and a fact, even if those truths and facts are real or false it does not matter.If you believe in nothing then you can believe in anything.
A wise man once told me, “A students work for B students and B students work for C students as C students own the company. A students general focus on one thing and understand it well while B students focus on a couple of things and they too understand them well. But the C student can focus on many thing and not be limited to any one thing. Therefore they know enough to hire the A and B students to do the thinking for them on given matters.”.
I don’t think “most Conservatives hate Gore so much” as much as have absolutely no confidence in his ability to run the country, or in his credibility, in spite of what he thinks.For many credible researchers the jury is still out on global warming being caused by man, that man can do anything about it, or if he could can he do so without doing more damage to our quality of life by destroying the economy.Besides, Gore is just plain Goofy, and a professional politician at that. He talks one thing but does another. He insults our intelligence by actually believing we take him seriously.And he was complacent in destroying the credibility of the Nobel Peace Prize. His ranting on global warming hasn’t done anything to promote peace.No, I don’t hate him…he’s just a goof.
“For many credible researchers the jury is still out on global warming being caused by man”
Care to share who these “credible researchers are?
Why do conservatives hate Gore so much?
Wow. I hope no one hurts their arms patting themselves and Al on the back.
Hate? This not a word I like to use anywhere. It seems I am suppose to dislike him because (well it is none of the reason listed).
He is not the type of person I think should be president.
Let’s face it, if Jesus was a democrat the cons would be “swiftboating” Him as we speak. The first thing many Republicans see when they look at a person is their party affiliation, not their ideas. Just like whites who look at a black person and the first thing they see is the color of the skin..all the while proclaming they aren’t prejudice.Grow up…we have to get past the partisianship if we ever plan to put things back together when shrub leaves office.
I don’t know any conservative that hates Al Gore. Critical of him? Yes!
Al Gore would get a lot more respect from conservatives if he really practice what he preaches.
Al Gore cannot relate to the average person, because he has no idea how we live. Al Gore was born in Washington D.C. and lived most of his childhood in a penthouse suite and his valet was the one that use to get him dress, feed him breakfast and then hold his hand and walk him to the limousine that was waiting for him everyday that would take him to his private school.
When Al Gore lost Tennessee (his supposedly home state) it was because he was out of touch. If you ask anybody from Tennessee that voted for Gore back in the 80’s compared to when 2000 came around, they will tell you their number one reason is that he is way out of touch with the average folks in America.
Most conservatives understand that Global Warming is occurring. Even independents and non-voters and affiliations know that (the people who don’t follow politics). And everybody wants a clean environment, minimize pollution, and clean energy technology and energy diversity.
What Conservatives disagree with Gore is his approach, his hypocrisy, and his radical policies that he wants everybody to adopt, even when they have been proven ineffective. In other words, he doesn’t listen to anybody. He is in it for the fame.
Just because you are critical of somebody, doesn’t mean you hate Al Gore. The only reason why people assume that it’s hate, is because the left hate. They hate Bush so much that they have a distorted reality that the right somehow must hate like them.
The leftist and everybody else have totally different mindsets. Conservatives don’t hate.
I’ll give you a prime example. Ralph Nader; An environmentalist who has done more for the environment than Al Gore can ever dream to accomplish. Yet Ralph Nader is absolutely hated by the left, not because of his accomplishments (most leftist don’t even know what he’s accomplished) because they blame him for stripping Al Gore’s chance.
If you were going to give the Nobel Peace Prize for an environmentalist, it should have been awarded to Ralph Nader. Ralph Nader is respected by conservatives. They might not agree with everything he stands for, but they respect his intelligence, his approach, and his mission. You will only find disdain from the Left on Ralph Nader.
In conclusion; Only the left hates, conservatives don’t.
“Al Gore is a learned, thoughtful fellow — almost an academic — who will always be vulnerable to the simplistic jabs of those who lack the patience, insight, and/or intellect to carefully examine his positions and points of view. ”
ppphhppphatt!!!
tee hee.
I hate having to clean coffee from my keyboard. Such a waste. Of good coffee.
Care to share who these “credible researchers are?Posted by: Apophis | October 20, 2007 at 07:39 AM
You bet! Just follow the link to more than you can read this morning and several more links to like articles.
Link: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12
Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming – Now Skeptics
Growing Number of Scientists Convert to Skeptics After Reviewing New Research
Following the U.S. Senate’s vote today on a global warming measure (see today’s AP article: Senate Defeats Climate Change Measure,) it is an opportune time to examine the recent and quite remarkable momentum shift taking place in climate science. Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics. The names included below are just a sampling of the prominent scientists who have spoken out recently to oppose former Vice President Al Gore, the United Nations, and the media driven “consensus” on man-made global warming.
HUD…anything is better than what we’ve had the last 6 years. I think Gore would be a great president..he’s informed, intelligent, pragmantic, articulate, diplomatic, compassionate, and truly concerned for our environment. He’d certainly have my vote, but I know he won’t rain on Hilary’s parade by throwing his hat into the ring, cuz he’d win for sure.
I don’t hate Algore. I do dislike him for the contemp he has for the average guy. He shows this everytime he tells me to conserve while spending many times what I do to heat and cool his many homes, flying his private jet all over the world instead of flying commercial, telling me to buy carbon credits while owning the company that sells these. Hate – not hardly – contemp yes, Peace Prize what peace did he help make?
As far as Gore “being out of touch” because he was born to affluence, can you name a recent president that wasn’t(besides Clinton)?
It’s no secret that Bush jr is where he is because of daddy.
Mary! Gore is ok. I’ll give you that he is all those descriptions that you mention.
But he’s too soft and other world leaders would have bullied him around. He just doesn’t have the gonads to be an effective President in foriegn policy. He may be fine Domestically, but Domestic policy and politics are best left to the Congress, which is where he should have stayed.
Al Gore has run for President since 1988. And he has lost every time. He couldn’t carry his own state in 2000. He’s a wash out and he knows it. Be with wealth and the fame of being a former vice president I do give him credit for re-inventing himself back into celebrity status.
He’s just too weak to be an effective President. Hillary has more balls and spine than Gore, so even if Gore did run, he would lose to Hillary big time.
Nice Mark…………..
post a link to an anti-science Senator (Inhofe).
Contrary to what you think, the VAST majority of scientists support the view of man caused global warming.
You go ahead and stand behind sen. Inhofe and the rest of the deniers. Being in that camp doesn’t neccessarily make them “credible”.
I have to agree with ksgrm, Al Gore does not Walk the Talk. To much “Do as I say not as I do”.
Mary! I don’t like Bush and I never voted for him. And one of the biggest reasons why I don’t like Bush, is because of nepotism and his family name. He’s been a very poor performing President, although I do agree with some of the things that he does and advocates for.
I like Billy Clinton. He was a great President. He exercises very poor judgment around women, but other than that, he’s a fine leader.
So I’m not making Al Gore into a Democrat vs Republican issue.
We can’t do anything about Global Warming, but we were able to put a man on the moon. What ever happened to that good old American “Can-Do” tradition? I remember a time when we believed we could do anything we set our minds to. That Global Warming has become a political issue in America suggests how far we’ve fallen. I’m not a climate expert like a couple of posters on this blog seem to think they are, but it seems to me that if say, carbon is a problem, maybe we should cut back on carbon emission.
Whether Global Warming is natural or caused by man, Gore has done a lot to keep the issue up front. While I don’t care much for Gore, I respect him and I think it’s pretty rotten that Conservatives would denigrate a Nobel prize on the basis of politics. If the president had won a Nobel Peace prize, Republicans would be singing his praises and swinging from the rafters.
President Bush winning a peace prize. I made a funny!
Oh please grm, can you show me a politician who DOESN’T fly around in jets an owns a big home?Why is it OK for a Republicans to do those things, but if a Democrat does it, he’s “out of touch with the average guy”.
I seem to remember Bush’s “mission acomplished” photo op…how much tax money did that little performance waste?
The list is endless when it comes to that crap…How about Cheney’s interest in Haliburton, who got a pretty lucrative government deal with no bidding via being in Bush’s good ‘ole boy club?And the way you throw around the lies! Gore NEVER said he “invented the internet”, but that’s what his detractors still love to throw out there.Face it, you all can’t say anything positive about the man simply because he’s a Democrat..it has nothing to do with his ideas or opinions. If that’s the party affliation, your kind won’t even consider what a person has to say. People like you thrive on the “us against them” moronic dogma, and it’s becuase of those who think the way you do that our country is so split.
“President Bush winning a peace prize. I made a funny!”
I’m surprised he hasn’t gotten one..they gave one to Yassar Arafat.
Conservatives hate Gore because he is intelligent, competent, the elected President of the United States, and beloved by level headed, rational people. Jealousy is a bitch ain’t it?
Haliburton got no-bid contracts during the Clinton Administration too.
I see that we’re back to “blame Clinton” again
Blame Clinton for what? Please elaborate Aprophis?
You can split hairs all you want, Joe, but too many of Bush’s buddies got high paying positions simply cuz they were his friends. I don’t think you’ll find as much fraternization during Clinton’s administration…”yur dewin a heck of a job, Brownie!”
Who hates Al? He’s comes off as a big ol’ doofus. You can’t hate someone like that. Disagreeing is not hating. Thinking the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded on political grounds is not hating.
OMG Joe……………anytime something is posted negative about bush and his band of fascists, someone consistently brings up Clinton.
“Who hates Al? He’s comes off as a big ol’ doofus”
REALLY? I guess intelligence is in the eye of the beholder then…I suppose you think shrub is some sort of genius?
Apophis, it’s just a way to get the focus off the obvious.
I outa’ here, off to spend my day at the annual Science Olympiad coach’s workshop.
“I suppose you think shrub is some sort of genius?”
Interesting. And libs accuse conservatives of reflexively bringing up Clinton on every issue.
Apophis..my hubby’s in DC doing The Discovery Channel’s “Challenge for Young Scientists”.
Back at you, Out!
I’m outta here..gotta go start the big remodel project…I actually got one volunteer to help me this weekend…my daughter.
I’m just keeping it real. That’s all.
Take it however you want.
I’m just keeping it real.Posted by: Joe Williams
And I thank you for that.
Are the WE Editors ever going to give us a thread praising a Republican?Posted by: Nathan | October 20, 2007 at 02:53 AM
Are the Republicans ever going to give us leaders worth praising?
I’m not holding my breath.
Nice Apophis, you play the double standard.And by the way in case you didn’t get it, that link is to the “U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works” site of which there are both majority and minority members. Here is is again in case you can’t find your way back there.Link: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12
Your double standard is that you dismiss my answer to your request for skeptics and dismiss my questioning Algore, then fail to respect anyone Else’s opinion and expect complete agreement with your view. I was not asking you to accept Sen. Inhofe’s opinion, I was asking you to look at the credible researchers listed on the Senate Committee’s site and what they say. Ha, is only your opinion valid. I think it comical and a bit juvenile for you to ask for something, get what you ask for and then immediately dismiss it because it’s not what you WANT to hear even though it IS what you ask for.If you bothered to take the time and are capable of reading and understanding what you read you would have looked at some of the links provided and seen the mountain of evidence, and the undisputed quality and recognition of the researchers cited, many of them former global warming proponents now turned skeptics.You seem typical of one possessed by the mass hysteria surrounding man made warming and completely incapable of even examining contradicting opinions.
The right hates Gore because they know and they have always known deep in their shrivelled little hearts that he won in 2000.
This hate is further fueled by the fact that george is a flat out failure. They have spent so much time and energy defending their sob because…well he’s their sob.
And george ever day in every way says back to them. “Yes I am.”
heheheh Tom!
“I like Billy Clinton. He was a great President. He exercises very poor judgment around women, but other than that, he’s a fine leader.”
Ditto Joe, I worked for a wealthy (family money) major Republican donor in Chicago. We (my boss was a Democrat, and former Navy Chaplain) asked why Repubs hated the Clinton’s (they dislike Hill as much as Bill) so much? He said because the GOP leadership see them as hicks from Arkansas and not worthy of the Office.
Kansas continues to puzzle me. At the beginning of the 21st century you can still sit and have a conversation with a Kansan that goes something to the effect of:
“Native Americans lost. They couldn’t hold onto their territories, proof when whites came to take the land and make it ours.”
In the next breath…
“Hitler was evil. He killed Jews and used their money to fund his efforts to make Europe his.”
… There’s a difference? The only difference in these two scenarios is that whites won and Hitler lost. Winning feels good, and losing feels bad. It’s not about good and evil. Or, what’s moral or immoral. It’s not about “God”. Or values. One can only conclude, given the depth of Kansas thinking, that had Hitler won the war it would feel good, and that would make it right.
Kansans have no values. They have how they feel in the moment:
They feel Indians were inferior and deserved white attempts at genocide. Infecting reservation blankets with smallpox to exterminate those who rightly and legally, by treaty, held the land was moral, because it got whites the land.
They feel Hitler was wrong. Exterminating Jews for their wealth and to rally his country around his efforts to extend his country to all of Europe was wrong. Well, because he lost.
Kansans will tell anyone within earshot who’s immoral, who God hates, who doesn’t deserve to live: after all, “liberals” are going to take all your Bibles, the American flag, and babies – born and unborn – and throw them into heaps they will light on fire …. That a significant number of Americans are “liberals” and none of this ever happens is irrelevant. It’s the way Kansans feel about it, that counts.
Discernment, thought, effort, soul-searching? In Kansas, irrelevent.
It’s sad to go through days upon days in the company of those who in any given conversation express a set of values that in the next breath they will completely contradict without experiencing a moment’s discomfort…. Well that wouldn’t feel good, right Kansas?
The right hates Gore because they know and they have always known deep in their shrivelled little hearts that he won in 2000. Posted by: J R | October 20, 2007 at 09:04 AM
Wrong again J R.
There was an independent study by the New York Times, the L.A. Times and many other newspapers as a consortium, that absolutely concluded that Bush won the popular vote in Florida. They hired professional researchers to do the job and the count was for Bush.
Another example of Libs re-writing history.
“Are the Republicans ever going to give us leaders worth praising?”
Tom
The only ones I can see as possibiillties are Huckabee and Prince — neither has a chance in hell unless all the moderate GOPers rise up and throttle the far right back into line …..
Posted by: Mod | October 20, 2007 at 09:10 AM
Watsa matter Mod? Leave your testicles at home and can’t post under your regular nic? :)
It’s a sad state of affairs.
The right hates Gore and that’s a fact. By extension, I know that they hate me.
Let me let them know. I hate them as well.
The Libs substitute religious faith with blind allegiance of their ideological leaders. They won’t admit, but it is exactly what they do.
It’s all rather comical to watch. :)
JR
I needed a warm and fuzzy this morning.
And the funny thing about Gore and Florida is this- if they’d just asked for a state-wide recount he may have won! And if the Florida Supremes had just followed the law and required a statewide recount he may have won!! What a hoot.
Intellectual?Gore?
Gore has far more “F’s” and “D’s” on his report card than anyone else I know of, who has had the gall to run for President of the United States.Gore is a mental light-weight, by every measurement there is.Also, if you want to use the word “hate” — how about some of the screaming speeches Gore made, after his election loss, before his handlers got him to mellow out?Isn’t Gore the one that made a ha-ha funny joke about “right-wingers” and chromosomes, insulting every family with a mentally retarded child?
ModGive your house and land to a Native American if you feel guilty.Until then, shut the hell up about it, ok?We are all human.Every race has done something horrible, to their own race and to other races.Comparing American history to the Nazis is ridiculous.Hate America First?I guess this thread was about some kind of silly assumption and presumption of “hate.”
What’s this?
I think heckler just admitted that Gore won in 2000.
You’re a little late but thanks the admission heckler. And if you find what is happening to America a “hoot”?
I don’t know whether to shake my head or my fist.
No, I know.
JR
What’s a “hoot” is that lefties like you keep blaming the US Supreme court for handing the presidency to Bush when gores best shot to win would have been to just let a statewide recount happen per the existing state law.
And no, I did not say Gore won, thats your spin. Depending on the standard by which “chads” were counted he MAY have won.
Heckler is RIGHT in that the Florida Court broke the law.
Florida Law would seem to require a state wide recount, not a cherry-picking recount of the counties that would help Gore the most.
This violation of the law is a major reason that the Suspreme Court of the United States overturned the Florida Courts.
Also added to the mix: Military votes went heavily for Bush, and Dem counties did everything possible to avoid counting military ballots.
The Election News Service screwed up the worst, wrongly announcing the “winner” in Florida before the panhandle of Florida had finished voting.
Thousands of Bush supportes went home rather than stand in line for a cause they thought was lost, due to the poor news coverage.—-
Beyond all of this, it is hard to understand how a former “Pro-Life Reagan Republican” could now “love” Al Gore and “HATE” all Republicans.
JR, Do you expect us to believe, in your tortured, twisted posts about your past, that you now “hate” what YOU claim you once WERE?
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Wow, looks like Mod struck a nerve. LOL, the testicle-less trump the Kansas conservatives. No surprise.
Why don’t you name callers respond to the comments. Because, the name calling is supporting Mod’s point.
How DO Kansans manage mindlessly talk out of both sides of their mouths about their values so much and still consider themselves the morally superior ones?
It’s a legitimate question. Anyone who knew what his values were, and had “testicles” enough to say so, would.
ModYour attempt is obvious:
You want to portray the United States as the historical villain.
I am not claiming that the US, as a country, has not made lots of mistakes.
I am only claiming that the United States has the best system for correcting those mistakes, over time, and that we are the best country on Earth to live in, at this time.
If you disagree, fine.
I suggest you vote with your feet.
ModYour attempt is obvious:
You want to portray the United States as the historical villain.
I am not claiming that the US, as a country, has not made lots of mistakes.
I am only claiming that the United States has the best system for correcting those mistakes, over time, and that we are the best country on Earth to live in, at this time.
If you disagree, fine.
I suggest you vote with your feet.
Isn’t Gore the one that made a ha-ha funny joke about “right-wingers” and chromosomes, insulting every family with a mentally retarded child?Posted by: Econ101 | October 20, 2007 at 09:29 AM
Hell, it’s impossible to insult Bush conservatives in any sentence that mentions right-wingers and faulty chromosomes…although I’ve heard the Bush family was extremely happy that Augustus Stupidus reached so far up the scale to which you so creepily and reflexively refer.
LOL
How DO Kansans manage mindlessly talk out of both sides of their mouths about their values so much and still consider themselves the morally superior ones?
It’s a legitimate question. Anyone who knew what his values were, and had “testicles” enough to say so, would.
Posted by: Mod | October 20, 2007 at 09:48 AM
This is an opinion blog Mod. Or would you rather people not give their opinion and just shut their mouths?
When you bad mouth a certain group of people, expect a reaction.
No one that I know of considers themselves morally superior except Fred Phelps and his clan.
A legitimate question would not assign attributes to a group before the question is asked.
I don’t think the citizens of, let’s say New York would like it if I stated before asking a question, why are all New Yorkers connected to the Mob, steal their employers blind and generally the biggest scam artists on the planet. Then ask them a question about how their lack of morality affects their decision in voting for Democrats.
I know there are a people of faith in New York as well as just decent people who are fair minded that are agnostic.
Generalizing an entire group of people is always an ignorant approach to take.
Except for Libs. :)
the United States …[is]… the best country on Earth to live in, at this time.Posted by: Econ101 | October 20, 2007 at 09:54 AM
Correction. The US is the best country on Earth to make money while being secure in your property rights.
It is not, however, by any stretch of the imagination the best country in which to live.
Yours is a common error made by those who confuse living to work with working to live.
The best place to live in only a perception.
If you hate the USA then leave!
Kansas
Libs believe that their prejudice is morally justified.
They truly believe that they are “smart” and that conservatives are “stupid”.
No “peer-reviewed” studies are necessary.
How smart is that?
Pedant
Most of us who are here want to be here.
What other country has as many people trying to get in, instead of trying to get out?
You confuse your self-loathing with public opinion and truth.
What other country has as many people trying to get in, instead of trying to get out?Posted by: Econ101 | October 20, 2007 at 10:04 AM
Any western European country, and a growing number of eastern European countries.
You confuse your self-loathing with public opinion and truth.Posted by: Econ101 | October 20, 2007 at 10:04 AM
LOL
Pedant
Now how many people do you suppose would risk 90 miles of open sea full of sharks on an innertube to get to say, France?
Pedant
How many people do you suppose would brave 2000 miles of ocean in a rusty old boat that’s over crowded to the point of risking capsizing to get to say, Finland?
Now how many people do you suppose would risk 90 miles of open sea full of sharks on an innertube to get to say, France?Posted by: Heckler | October 20, 2007 at 10:15 AM
LOL
The question you really wanted to ask is, would they have risked 180 miles to get to France and regarded the reward equivalent to the 90 miles to Florida?
LOL
How many people do you suppose would brave 2000 miles of ocean in a rusty old boat that’s over crowded to the point of risking capsizing to get to say, Finland?Posted by: Heckler | October 20, 2007 at 10:17 AM
LOL
No.
Woops, should have read “Certainly not me.”
Finland may be nice, but I would not be in that boat.
LOL
Correction. The US is the best country on Earth to make money while being secure in your property rights.
It is not, however, by any stretch of the imagination the best country in which to live.
Yours is a common error made by those who confuse living to work with working to live.
Posted by: Pedant | October 20, 2007 at 09:59 AM
Correction:
Those who haven’t actually lived in other countries don’t know what they are talking about.
Let me give you a scenario for just one of the foreign countries I’ve lived in.
Germany, a nice country about twice the size of Oregon but with about 83 million in population. Most people can’t get a handle on that, so let me put it in perspective.
Imagine you are driving to work from your home in Derby to your job on the North West side of Wichita. Now imagine a six lane highway all the way. That highway will be bumper to bumper starting at 5 a.m. in the morning until about 8:30 a.m. and crawling at less than 10 mph.
Another scenario. You can’t afford to buy a house in Germany, because land is sold in terms of “gold units.” So, you decide to get an apartment. There is a six month waiting list, but you finally get in.
You find your apartment completely barren, just painted walls. That means no light fixtures, no closets, no kitchen sink or cabinets and no garage (a luxury in Germany.) Most houses and apartments have no closets, fixtures or cabinets – you have to buy your own.
You work hard all week and need to mow your lawn on Sunday, but you can’t. Why? Because there is a “quiet law” that has heavy penalties if you fire up that noisy lawn mower on Sundays – even though your lawn is probably slightly larger than a postage stamp.
You bring your anti-religious anything attitude to Germany, only to find out that Churches there get government money from the taxes you pay. There is nothing you can do about it.
You are traveling down the Autobahn and shoot the finger at someone. A Polizei (Policeman) pulls you over and you are arrested. You stand before court a month later and are fined 5000 DM’s and the other driver is suing you for damages and wins. Yes, that’s the law in Germany.
You buy an old klunker for transportation but if fails inspection because you have rust on the running boards. Further, your car cannot be insured because it has rust on the running boards. The repairs will cost two times what you paid for the car and you are required to fix it, you can’t sell the car in that state – only salvage it.
You are traveling down the autobahn in the inside lane and a Porsche Carrara traveling at 130 mph flashes its lights at you to get out the way and you don’t, causing the Porsche to almost crash. You have just committed a felony in Germany and you will be going to prison. That’s the law in Germany.
You’re a smoker and only smoke in your car. On the way to the Black Forest, you light up and get pulled over and arrested for smoking in a no smoking zone (Pine trees.)
You finally get your old klunker fixed and go to buy insurance. You don’t need full coverage, but you find out you can’t get such a thing as just liability insurance in Germany. For your $1000 car, it will cost you $2500/year in insurance.
And so forth and so on.
Posted by: Kansas | October 20, 2007 at 10:22 AM
LOL
You know, I propose the editors here at WE treat you as the “special” person you so wish to be here.
To wit: I propose that, for any post by you, the editors preface your sig line thusly:
“Posted (and stolen by): Kansas….”
Why is it that dipshits never attribute their sources?
LOL
My source for what?
Living in Germany? I have lived in Germany and experienced it first hand. I’ve also lived in other foreign countries. First hand experience is my source. What’s yours?
How come there is no discussion about how much liberals hate Bush?
Maybe it is because in 2004 they portrayed him as an idiot and then they lost to him. So in their minds they lost to an idiot. I guess that is hard to forget.
The Democrats are generally not good at the “expectations” game — Their egos force them to cast Republicans as “stupid” —-
Therefore, it is no great victory when they “win” (with a bunch of blue-dog, prolife, pro 2nd amendment, anti-tax Democrats winning in Congress)
It is also very humiliating when these “genious” Dems lose, so horrible that they can’t even admit it.
Stupid, ignorant people defeat their intellectual giants on a regular basis.
How can that be?
That can only happen if the American people are too stupid to make the right choice!
Thus, Democrats hate America and they think Americans are stupid!
Someone posted the comment:
“You can split hairs all you want, Joe, but too many of Bush’s buddies got high paying positions simply cuz they were his friends. I don’t think you’ll find as much fraternization during Clinton’s administration”
Made in ignorance?Or a lame attempt to twist the facts?
Yeah CW, people forget about the former “bar bouncer” being made Chief of Security for the White House. I mean LOL, how lame is that?
How about the White House Travel Office under Clinton?
Or, who was that nut Surgeon General?
Or that worthless Attorney General who burned down Waco?
Personal friends of Clinton!
FOB: Friends of Bill
Dems in the White House came up with that phrase to explain the incompetent employees that could not be removed.
“Gore attended St. Albans School where he ranked 25th (of 51) in his senior class.[9] In preparation for his college applications, Gore scored a 1355 on his SAT (625 in verbal and 730 in math). [9] Al Gore’s IQ scores, from tests administered at St. Alban’s School in 1961 and 1964 (his freshman and senior years) respectively, have been recorded as 133 and 134. [9]
In 1965, Gore enrolled at Harvard College, the only university to which he applied. He scored in the lower fifth of the class for two years in a row[10] and, after finding himself bored with his classes in his declared English major, Gore switched majors and found a passion for government and graduated with honors from Harvard in June 1969 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in government. [9] After returning from the military he took religious studies courses at Vanderbilt and then entered the university’s law school. He left Vanderbilt without a degree to run for an open seat in Tennessee’s 3rd Congressional District in 1976.”
(the above lifted from a previous post)
History will look back at Dec. 1999 and Americans will say:
(Movie reference)
“You maniacs! You blew it up!
Damn you! Oh G__damn you all to hell!”
We don’t hate bush, in fact, I don’t even blame bush. I blame his enablers, especially those that voted for him twice. You can’t hate a fly, for being a fly, a gnat for being a gnat, or a pile of shit for being a pile of shit. Bush is what he is.
BS Econ! “Or that worthless Attorney General who burned down Waco?”
Your buddy Vernon Howell burned down Waco.
Now, who ordered the shooting of Vicki Weaver?
Or that worthless Attorney General who burned down Waco?
Posted by: Econ101 | October 20, 2007 at 11:17 AM
One I dont believe Reno was a personal friend of Clinton’s I doubt they keep in Touch. I dont recall Reno in Waco setting the matches to burn down the compound. I believe the Vernon Howell set the and his followers set the fires that destroyed his compound. I also find it disturbing that right wingers find heros in child molesting – cop-killers like Mr Howell. Econ probably thinks Scott Cheevers a hero too after all he was just exercising his 2nd Amendment rights and defending his home.
“There was an independent study by the New York Times, the L.A. Times and many other newspapers [sic, it was two other Fla. newspapers] as a consortium, that absolutely concluded that Bush won the popular vote in Florida. They hired professional researchers to do the job and the count was for Bush.”
ABSOLUTELY FALSE. This consortium concluded the following: Had the “over-votes” been counted [over-votes are when a voter punches the chad for Gore and writes in Gore’s name where the ballot says confusingly “write in candidate,” GORE would have WON by many thousands of votes, instead of Bush “winning” by less than 400 out of 6 million votes cast.
These over-votes were legal votes under Florida law which says only that “the intent of the voter must clear.”
The intent of these voters was clear. Gore won. The Supreme Court stopped the recount so that these legal votes could not be counted.
Good job, CONs. You won the election and stabbed democracy in the back at the same time.
The people that continue to support Bush and the fraudlant election of 2000 are traitors to everything this country stands for.
US DEMOCRACY
1776-2000
R.I.P.
Ben wasn’t Bush I president during Ruby Ridge? So that would make William Barr the responsible party in Vicky Weavers death using Econ’s logic. Not Randy Another cop-killing hero of the Right? Right winger sure do hate Cops.
Right, Rev. Jim–
CONs aren’t interested in any facts except those that re-inforce their pre-conceptions.
Ruby Ridge was something that a LIBERAL would do, so it must have been a LIBERAL who did it.
Even when it wasn’t . . .
Vernon Howell?
Yes, the Branch Dividian leader was a nut case and belonged in prison.
He could have been arrested at any time, alone, as he frequently made trips into town, by himself.
Instead, the ATF wanted a big, public “Bust” prior to their appropriations being decided in Congress.
The ATF wanted a public spectacle, and that is what we got!
The Waco compound raid was one of the most incompetetent law enforcement efforts in history.
Classes on legal tactics and SWAT tactics refer to the Waco mistakes.
Their are evil, child molesting crazy people in every city in the country.
SOP, Standard Operating Proceedure, is to arrest those people in the safest way possible.
If they thought the Davidians were that dangerous, arrest their leader FIRST! The ATF obviously had enough evidence to justify a small army to attack the compound.
Arrest Koresh, when he is alone, then invade the compound!—–
Oh, I forgot, you liberals get to “Arm Chair Quarterback” in Iraq, but the rest of us can not criticize Janet Reno and the disaster in Waco?
You liberals obviously care more about terrorists in Iraq than you care for American children.
How can you attack Koresh for being a child abuser, and then justify a reckless attack that led to the death of those same children?
The man who shot Weaver was investigated.
He didnt get much more than a slap on the wrist, as I recall.
Janet Reno, on the other hand, never, ever admitted any mistakes at Waco.
Besides, Bill Clinton said it was all Reno’s fault, remember?
Yes, the Branch Dividian leader was a nut case and belonged in prison.
Posted by: Econ101 | October 20, 2007 at 12:38 PM
Good we agree on something, now please remove your lips from his burnt crispy ass.
Paine
Perhaps we should have dropped Napalm on Park City in order to capture BTK?
You are ridiculous.
Honest people in law enforcement admit that that the ATF screwed up badly, in Waco.
The FBI did not do a whole lot better.
Question: If the ATF did not screw up, why did the FBI take over?
Yawn.
Weren’t we talking about Ruby Ridge?
Oh, wait, no.
This is a GORE thread.
CapnAs you recall, we got “off topic” because someone stated that the Clintons would not hire friends and cronies and incompetents.
We Conservatives listed some Clinton Admin kooks.
You libs have responded by defending the Clinton Cabinet Kooks.
Ok with me.
We can win that fight.
FOB= Friend of Bill
Code for Clinton Cronie
And,Since the thread IS about Gore:
How about the fact that Gore refused to appear, publicly, with either Clinton during Gore’s campaign for President?
Uh oh someone forgot to scrape their shoe off on the way in and tracked econpaul all over the place.
Hey paulie? Got any more infected emails you opened and then threw away? If you get one from the Quanons in the Zuthar system let us know right away!
What a maroon. A better liar would have faked an email before lying about it.
The citizens of park city weren’t on BTK’s side, defending him. The Followers in the compound were as culpable for the deaths of the law enforcement agents as was koresh. I’m the last one to stick up for the government but the place to fight them is in the ballet box, courtroom or the court of public opinion not with violence,( except maybe under the most farfeched scenario’s) If violence is acceptable then why not just let people like Cheevers, or Mumia go? I suppose Sheriff Samuels should have waited till Cheevers was at the laundry mat or buying groceries to before trying to arrest him?
Econ – as you know, the original raid at Waco took place BEFORE Reno was AG. BOTH the ancting heads of Justice, ATF, and Treasury were Bush holdovers. AS YOU KNOW, Reno inherited the mess while it was well underway. In fact, all of the evidence says it was set in motion BEFORE Bush took office.
As for who burned it – your buddy Howell did that; not Reno. Using the Park City analogy that you use I would not have blamed Bush or anyone else if Dennis Rader had immolated himself – as Howell did.
Yes Rev Jim – Bush 1 was president. And there were no Democratic hold-overs in key positions as there were Republican hold-overs in such positions when the Waco raid took place.
I hate Al Gore because he invented the world wide interweb and I think that has started the decline of Western Civilization much like the breadstick started the decline of Roman civilization.
The Libs get all cranky when they lose two Presidential elections in a row. Makes it where they get all constipated and can’t even think properly. :)
This entire thread is disgusting… Gore has accomplished more than anybody could have imagined… I am happy for him that he didnt just slink over into some corner, and shrivel up like a few former candidates have done… This man has extended his influence around the world… NOT because he is a former Vice Pres. But because he really believes in what he is doing… How many people would leave a home they have worked on, and tried to improve??? Why should the size of his house have any bearing on what he does, and what he believes?? Why should he fly on commercial jets?? As a former VP, he has some degree of protection from Sec. Service agents… That can make commercial flying a problem…
Why should he have to defend his house?? None of his detractors bother to mention the environmental improvements he is making to that house… Such things do take time to accomplish… Why doesnt anybody ever mention those things??
Why??? Because they HATE GORE, and when somebody posts his name with the infamous RUSHBO handle that Limbaugh hung on him, Algore, it only proves the hatred, and even disdain for the MAN… not his ideas… They attack the MESSENGER… Because they cant find credible attacks against his ideas, and ideals…
And when they do attack his ideas, they just label him as a Liberal Socialist!!
And the HATE goes on…
Amazing nothing here yet about how much “the letter” is worth!! Ha!
And, what about that poor Rev. Jim Jones, If the U.S. hadn’t been hasselling him, he and his followers would be living a life of Utopia. Right, WingNuts?
Attacking his ideas Chas which is different than attacking the man although there is plenty there to talk about. :)
The GORACLE’s view on Global Warming for instance involves a “no debate” clause to anyone, to include the IPCC own scientist as to the interpretation of what is causing Global Warming.
His methods of stating I’m always right and everybody else is wrong is what is wrong with the GORACLE.
The GORACLE focus is to feed a large ego by pandering to the wallets that achieve his “projects.” In the case of Global Warming, he panders to the U.N. and gets International figures to pour in $$ to research funds.
Then, instead of explaining his position, he uses scare tactics and blame on the American people and state we are cause of it all.
Well, you know what the answer to that is…”stick it up your xxx.”
If the GORACLE wants to have an open debate about it and not a closed mind, then I’m all for it.
He has failed in many aspects of selling his product – basic salesmanship by “ordering” people to buy his product or else.
The American public ain’t buying it and will show him the door for his pushy attitude.
“The GORACLE’s view on Global Warming for instance involves a “no debate” clause to anyone,”
Posted by: Kansas | October 20, 2007 at 02:08 PM
The way science is DEBATED is by research, writing a paper, submitting it to a credible, peer-reviewed journal, and being published.
Why do conservatives hate Gore so much?
Maybe becuase they don’t know who he is?
“Al Gore cannot relate to the average person, because he has no idea how we live. Al Gore was born in Washington D.C. and lived most of his childhood in a penthouse suite and his valet was the one that use to get him dress, feed him breakfast and then hold his hand and walk him to the limousine that was waiting for him everyday that would take him to his private school.”
Posted by: Joe Williams | October 20, 2007 at 07:51 AM
“Penthouse suite”??? In the 1950’s, the Gore’s lived in a small, two-bedroom suite at the Fairfax Apartment Hotel. It was not fancy, and he had to share a bedroom with his older sister until she went to college.
In 1982 the Fairfax was sold to Ritz, and was REMODELED. In 1998, the Ritz was sold to Westin, and REMODELED again.
The RNC and our dysfunctional media spread lies that the Gores lived in a fancy hotel.
During summers, Al Gore did the same work on the farm as the hired hands.
He sometimes lived with another farm family when his parents were campaigning — and he tutored other kids in a small rural school.
Links to “fancy hotel”, farm chores, etc at bottom of,
‘INVENTING INVENTED THE INTERNET! No one said Boo about Gore’s remark. Then, the RNC spin-points arrived:’http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml
The way science is DEBATED is by research, writing a paper, submitting it to a credible, peer-reviewed journal, and being published.
Posted by: cosmos | October 20, 2007 at 02:27 PM
You never debate the science cosmos, you debate the ideology and political aspects of it. And you do exactly what I stated, you try and force it down people’s throat.
There are plenty of observational scientists who have written peer review papers on proxy evidence of climate warming that is totally ignored by the IPCC simply because they can’t figure out how to put it into a a computer model.
Heck, the IPCC can’t even figure out how to model rain or clouds in their model. Those two factors are huge in Climate Change, yet the IPCC alarmists completely ignore the massive amount of proxy observed science out there because they don’t know how to plug it into a computer model.
The climate is not a computer model. The climate is best described by a composite of real world observations.
And not by some Political hack like the GORACLE who wants to shove limited views of Climate down people’s throat.
“the IPCC can’t even figure out how to model”
Posted by: Kansas | October 20, 2007 at 02:43 PM
Looks like poor old “Kansas values” Kansas HATES the U.N. so much that he doesn’t even know what the IPCC does, and does not do.
http://www.ipcc.ch/about/about.htm
“The IPCC does not carry out research nor does it monitor climate related data or other relevant parameters. It bases its assessment mainly on peer reviewed and published scientific/technical literature.”
Bottom line reason: They realize that their hero Bush is NOT respected either in this ocuntry or worldwide. Al Gore, on the other hand, is.
After 2000 Gore spent some time ‘wandering in the wilderness’ while Bush had the upper hand. Today, however, things are reversed. Gore has become a sort of elder statesman; Bush ahs not and likely will not.
“The IPCC does not carry out research nor does it monitor climate related data or other relevant parameters. It bases its assessment mainly on peer reviewed and published scientific/technical literature.”
Posted by: cosmos | October 20, 2007 at 02:56 PM
The IPCC ignores the observational proxy scientist that have peer reviewed reports because they can’t figure out how to put their data into climate models.
Not true kansas – the IPCC has painstakenly included everything out there. Except, of course, tea leaves readings.
Ben,One other thing to consider is that the extreme right (as well as the extreme left) is highly dependent on propaganda as a tool of political power. They have a vested interest in keeping the political discourse on a sound-bite level, and so distrust anyone capable of thinking through their actions and words. This devolves into absolute hatred of anyone who, like Gore, is able to explain those thoughts and ways of thinking to a majority of Americans. Gore is attacking not only their economic interests but their ability to propagandize the population.Control of “the masses” is the cornerstone of all extremist thinking and the point where the far right and far left come full circle and meet. Independent thought is intolerable where perpetual political control is the goal.
Their greatest fear is a public education system able to teach more than the satisfaction of being a good little worker bee, resulting in continual attacks on our school system, with the end goal of absolute control over curriculum. Evolution, languages and sex-ed are seen as wedge issues to achieve that end. Failing that, their fallback position is the dismantling of public education altogether in favor of religious and private systems they see as easier to control.
Not true kansas – the IPCC has painstakenly included everything out there. Except, of course, tea leaves readings.
Posted by: Ben | October 20, 2007 at 03:31 PM
Read the IPCC report on Climate Models Ben.
They exclude a lot. Everything from clouds to ocean data, to ENSO data and etc.
Why? Because they have no clue how to put it into computer models.
It’s all there in the IPCC reports.
During the 2000 election, I hated Gore. I hated Bush too. I didn’t like either, however, I couldn’t figure out why. I was naive back then, I really didn’t know what either man stood for. Now that I know, I LOVE Gore. The man is a true patriot and spells out the issues this country faces in his book, Assault on Reason. America kicked one KING out of the country during the Revolution. Why do Americans accept their corporate masters and paid for by corporate lobbyists politicians? Gore knows what’s wrong with this country and he’s been right for 30 years about global warming.
Our country is now a fascist government, and even the elections are not safe from being hacked and stolen. We need Gore, or hell, anyone who believes in this country and constitution now more than ever.
Oh, and when it comes to true liberty and honoring the constitution, Ron Paul is no slouch either. A Gore/Paul ticket would be nice. :)
Oh and I forgot to mention, Gore speaks truth to power and neocons can’t stand the truth because it disrupts their authoritarian world view.
Care to share who these “credible researchers are?Posted by: Apophis | October 20, 2007 at 07:39 AM
You bet! Just follow the link to more than you can read this morning and several more links to like articles.”
[Sen Inhofe's link]Posted by: Mark | October 20, 2007 at 07:54 AM
One of Mark’s “credible researchers” is Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski.
Mark, do you understand that global CO2 levels rise and fall a small amount with the seasons?
Most of the land (and plants) are in the Northern Hemisphere (NH). During Fall in the NH, plant leaves drop, etc and CO2 rises. During Spring in the NH, new leaves emerge, etc, and CO2 drops
This is clearly shown by graphs — for example, compare Barrow Alaska, Mauna Loa, and South Pole,http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/graphics/ptb77e_thrudc04.pdf
But Mark’s “credible researcher”, Dr. Jaworowski believes that ALL the widely varying values of CO2 on this graph should be averaged, to get the global CO2 level.
‘Hissink, CO2 and conspiracy theories’http://timlambert.org/2005/01/hissink3/“The measurements for 1865, for example, vary from 290 to 550 parts per million.It just isn’t possible for the CO2 concentration to change by that much in one year — the difference corresponds to about 500 billion tons of carbon which is about the same amount of carbon in all plants in the entire world.”
Mark’s “credible researcher” Jaworowski was published in Lyndon LaRouche’s non-refereed magazine.
Jaworski’s source was E. G. Beck,’More Nonsense about CO2′http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php
Mauna Loa, South Pole, and other CO2 graphs,http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/contents.htm
Neo-conservatism [neocons for you idiots] is a term almost exclusively used by the enemies of America’s liberation of Iraq. There is no “neo-conservative” movement in the United States. When there was one, it was made up of former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan’s Cold War policies against the Soviets. Today “neo-conservatism” identifies those who believe in an aggressive policy against radical Islam and the global terrorists
Cosmos! We can’t do anything to reduce any greenhouses gases for a minimum of a 100 years. We cannot take away what is already in the atmosphere and since most greenhouse gases will not breakdown for at least 100 years, then we have nothing to show for it in the short-term. Gore’s prediction of 20 feet sea-level rise in 23 years I guess will have to come true.
We can do what we can now to try not to compound the greenhouse problem after a century, but we can’t do anything now. Even Gore will die within the century, so he won’t be able to take credit for anything after that.
Hate Gore? Hate GOre?
Heck, we LAUGH at Gore.
He is great comic.
Spreads his lies to make sure there is SOMEthing to put on his statue someday!
Movie: Rated XXX . Not suitable for children of any age due to the graphic lies and pursuit of falsehoods.
Is it just me, or does Al Gore remind you of Elmer Fudd?
They talk alike, and sound just about as smart.
Posted by: chas. | July 18, 2007 at 11:53 PM
and it is a violation of sensibilities….
CHAS: you must admit, you set yourself up with these wild statements. You make me laugh.
I can almost hear the drum roll, the bugles blaring, the reporters lights flashing,
“and it is a violation of sensibilities…. ”
Followed by the audience singing God Bless America.
And the constitution of the United States according to Chas includes:
“and it is a violation of sensibilities….”
ROTFLMAO!!!
Joe Williams,
Al Gore ONLY said “IF” Greenland melted, etc.
He did NOT specify ANY TIME frame!He did NOT specify ANY TIME frame!He did NOT specify ANY TIME frame!
Scientists do not KNOW how much sea levels will rise, or how soon.
IPCC re sea levels,”Models used to date do not include uncertainties in climate-carbon cycle feedback nor do they include the full effects of changes in ice sheet flow, because a basis in published literature is lacking….The corresponding future temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when palaeoclimatic information suggests reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise. {6.4, 10.7}”
And the idea is to REDUCE GHG emissions, to REDUCE the amount of future warming.
People who have health problems from smoking take time to regain their health after quitting. Since the benefits are not immediate, would Joe Williams advise them to not quit, and smoke even more?
Pat –
Why don’t you get good and drunk as usual and play with your guns?
Some decent people could use your organs, especially since you’re not doing anything with them.
JM-Kansas writes,
“Now imagine a six lane highway all the way. That highway will be bumper to bumper starting at 5 a.m. in the morning until about 8:30 a.m. and crawling at less than 10 mph.”
You mean, like in Chicago on any Friday or Sunday evening?
When I was in Germany two summers ago, I did not see any traffic jams. However, we were able to drive from Berlin to Dresden in about two and a half hours because the autobahn allowed us to drive safely and efficiently at 110 mph.
So much for restrictive rules, eh?
“You work hard all week and need to mow your lawn on Sunday, but you can’t. Why? Because there is a quiet law that has heavy penalties if you fire up that noisy lawn mower on Sundays – even though your lawn is probably slightly larger than a postage stamp.”
Wow. That would be a huge problem if people had lawns like ours that needed to be mowed.
Fortunely, they don’t.
BTW, the houses and lots I saw were about the same size as here, btw. Much better built and maintained, of course.
“You stand before court a month later and are fined 5000 DM’s and the other driver is suing you for damages and wins. Yes, that’s the law in Germany.”
REALLY?! Where are you ever going to get that many D marks? At an antique store? They’re using Euros instead of DM’s these days . . .
“You buy an old klunker for transportation but if fails inspection because you have rust on the running boards. Further, your car cannot be insured because it has rust on the running boards. The repairs will cost two times what you paid for the car and you are required to fix it, you can’t sell the car in that state – only salvage it.”
Well, hell, you were one dumb sh*t for buying a car that couldn’t pass inspection, weren’t you. Fortunately for you, Germany has one of the best systems of buses, trams, trains, and subways in the world. Who needs a klunker?
How do those Germans manage to survive in that hell-hole of meddling gov’t intervention?
And live longer and more healthfully than we do?
It’s such a mystery . . .
Neo-conservatism [neocons for you idiots] is a term almost exclusively used by the enemies of America’s liberation of Iraq. There is no “neo-conservative” movement in the United States. When there was one, it was made up of former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan’s Cold War policies against the Soviets. Today “neo-conservatism” identifies those who believe in an aggressive policy against radical Islam and the global terrorists
Posted by: Joe Williams | October 20, 2007 at 05:08 PM
———–
Dude, do you make this stuff up or what? You’re as delusional as Nathan redefining what pro-life is.
You are a neocon Joe. That is what you are. Not a liberal. You can be a neocon and not be religious. Denying it doesn’t make it less true. You walk and talk like a neocon.
You know it’s great to see all the neocons sulking over this thread, still trying to bring down Gore. You can say anything you want, the proof is in what has transpired in the past 7 years. We told you so. And President Gore came out more vindicated than he could have probably hoped for.
The conservatives hate anybody that is not like themselves. Not only do they despise Al Gore but they also despise Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, Cindy Shehan, “Fake Soldiers” and people with handicaps such as Michael J Fox. All you have to do is turn on any AM radio station for an hour and they will hit about all of those they hate.
“The people that continue to support Bush and the fraudlant election of 2000 are traitors to everything this country stands for..”
Just a little over the top ………. wouldn’t call em traitors
“”"I had lunch with a distant cousin this week (she’s a Texan)”"”
That is all you needed to say. Everything else is pretty much self explanatory. Most Texans are only slightly smarter than people in Alabama.
“”"And I took it personally when Clinton looked into that camera and said “I did not have sex with that woman…. Monica Luwensky!”. No Gore to my opinion was a Clinton want-to-be,”"”
Al Gore didn’t have anything at all to do with Monica. He didn’t even know about it! And when he ran he did his best to distance himself from Bill Clinton and to let voters know he was not a copy of Clinton and he had his own agenda. There are 2 reasons why Gore lost- Bill Clinton and all his scandles and Janet Reno and the stupid shit she pulled with that Cuban kid in Miami. If neither of those had happened Gore would have won Florida easily.
“”"”"Now imagine a six lane highway all the way. That highway will be bumper to bumper starting at 5 a.m. in the morning until about 8:30 a.m. and crawling at less than 10 mph.”
You mean, like in Chicago on any Friday or Sunday evening?”"”"
I used to live in Chicago. Lived there for several years. Now live in Atlanta. Driving in Chicago is HEAVEN compared to Atlanta. Rush hour in Chicago was slow but here rush hour starts at 6AM and last until after 8PM and there is no let up during the day. If you cannot walk to get lunch, you don’t dare leave the office because it will take you 30 minutes to drive even 2 blocks in Atlanta.
I see that the Capn-True Lib-The Finger-Galahad-Left Hook-Wally O Dell-Blank is up to his old tricks again.
How did you see those “houses” Capn, saw them when you flew over them to visit that other European Country? :)
“….most of them are too stupid to live in a free country.”
No no — they just live in the south and no one notices
No no — they just live in the south and no one noticesPosted by: ken | October 20, 2007 at 08:11 PM
Prejudice much?
Let’s see, Gore is from the South, Ben is from the South, kev lives in the south.
I guess ken is an authority on the south and all stupid people live or are from there, right ken?
Cosmos,I in no way concede the accuracy of the work of Physicist Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, chairman of the Central Laboratory for the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Radiological Protection in Warsaw, but even IF I were to you seem to conveniently ignore all the others.
Quite frankly, I think the ‘Chicken Littles’….um, Cosmos that’s you, simply don’t want anything raining on their global catastrophe. I mean heck, who are these recognized, renowned scientists to shut down this hysterical party before the world economy is ruined.
Lets just see who a few of these party poopers are:
Geophysicist Dr. Claude Allegre, a top geophysicist and French Socialist who has authored more than 100 scientific articles
Geologist Bruno Wiskel of the University of Alberta
Astrophysicist Dr. Nir Shaviv, one of Israel’s top young award winning scientists
Mathematician & engineer Dr. David Evans, who did carbon accounting for the Australian Government
Climate researcher Dr. Tad Murty, former Senior Research Scientist for Fisheries and Oceans in Canada
Botanist Dr. David Bellamy, a famed UK environmental campaigner, former lecturer at Durham University and host of a popular UK TV series on wildlife
Climate scientist Dr. Chris de Freitas of The University of Auckland, N.Z.
Meteorologist Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at University of Wisconsin (now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
Global warming author and economist Hans H.J. Labohm
Paleoclimatologist Tim Patterson, of Carlton University in Ottawa converted from believer in C02 driving the climate change to a skeptic.
Paleoclimatologist Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor of the Department of Earth Sciences at University of Ottawa
Environmental geochemist Dr. Jan Veizer, professor emeritus of University of Ottawa
Related Links:
Senator Inhofe declares climate momentum shifting away from Gore (The Politico op ed)
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
Global Warming on Mars & Cosmic Ray Research Are Shattering Media Driven “Consensus’
Global Warming: The Momentum has Shifted to Climate Skeptics
Prominent French Scientist Reverses Belief in Global Warming – Now a Skeptic
Top Israeli Astrophysicist Recants His Belief in Manmade Global Warming – Now Says Sun Biggest Factor in Warming
Warming On Jupiter, Mars, Pluto, Neptune’s Moon & Earth Linked to Increased Solar Activity, Scientists Say
Panel of Broadcast Meteorologists Reject Man-Made Global Warming Fears- Claim 95% of Weathermen Skeptical
MIT Climate Scientist Calls Fears of Global Warming ‘Silly’ – Equates Concerns to ‘Little Kids’ Attempting to “Scare Each Other”
Weather Channel TV Host Goes ‘Political’- Stars in Global Warming Film Accusing U.S. Government of ‘Criminal Neglect’
Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics
ABC-TV Meteorologist: I Don’t Know A Single Weatherman Who Believes ‘Man-Made Global Warming Hype’
The Weather Channel Climate Expert Refuses to Retract Call for Decertification for Global Warming Skeptics
Senator Inhofe Announces Public Release Of “Skeptic’s Guide To Debunking Global Warming”
And Cosmos, even if they are all wrong and you are right, real big if, what are you doing about it, and what can be done about it without ending life as we know it on Earth. There are a lot of living people on Earth that must eat and stay warm to survive, we can’t just stop reproducing and producing the necessities of survival to satisfy the global warming hysterics.Good night, I think I’ll to turn up the heater, just for you Cosmos.
Oh, in case anyone missed the link to the above studies since the hyperlinks don’t work in the Eagles format here is the link to the articles:Link: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12
What an idiot.
Pull that list from Hannity.com didya?
Yeah, you did.
J.R., go look yourself. At my link, and your Hannity.com.You are another that’s wrong.
Oh, I’m surprised no one mentioned 20/20 last night.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=3751219&page=1
John Stossel did a story on global warming. It pretty much debunked much of the Goracle’s Nobel Peace Prize winning propaganda film.
It actually gave two sides of the debate! As more and more people start to pay attention to the hype from the GW alarmists more and more people are calling the man made CO2 driven GW so much crap.
Sorry, common sense and science wins. The politics of BS loses.
Hank
Stossel???
Oh my!
Stossel is a right wing flack.
It is because of him and the lie 911 movie ABC aired that I no longer watch any programming on ABC at all.
Small loss. The only thing that right wing network had on worth watching was “Lost”
ABC is a joke.
Yeah you tell that to Sunflower Hank.
You’re a dead ender. Wake up and help make America better. Not just some Americans better off.
Junior? Are you off your meds again?
“Yeah you tell that to Sunflower Hank.
You’re a dead ender. Wake up and help make America better. Not just some Americans better off.”
I have no idea what in the hell you are talking about.
Global warming, focus.
I still love ya, I’m glad you’re on ‘their’ side!
Hank
Check yesterdays news Hank.
America is evolving beyond you.
Why not join it?
Don’t you want America to be better?
“I in no way concede the accuracy of the work of Physicist Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski,”
Posted by: Mark | October 20, 2007 at 09:15 PM
Of course not, since Mark seems UNABLE to understand the very simple basics of Earth’s carbon cycle.
Mark: “Lets just see who a few of these party poopers are:”
Science is about the SCIENCE, not the people.
Have they published any credible, peer-reviewed papers that refute the anthropogenic global warming consensus? NO!
Check their background, experience, and area of expertise. Some are “emeritus”, i.e. retired. They are authors of books, op-eds, etc, instead of recent credible AGW scientific papers.
Mark: “and what can be done about it without ending life as we know it on Earth.”
Right… the only way humans can exist on Earth is by burning huge quantities of oil and coal forever! /sarcasm OFF
I lived with some German friends of mine for about a week. The other week was travelling around the country on a rail pass.
I’m telling ya, they don’t use Deutsche Marks anymore, hehehehe.
What a maroon . . .
Poor Kansas–
Even the stuff he thought he knew turns out to be wrong and out-dated . . .
Dear Hank Price,
Ask your son, who posted multiple times on,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/holcomb-decisio.html
From the WaPo link at top of that thread”Together the plants would have produced 11 million tons of carbon dioxide annually, nearly as much as a group of eight Northeastern states hope to save by 2020 through a mandatory cap-and-trade program they plan to impose. The attorneys general from those states had written a letter opposing the permit.”
Come on Junior!
We’re talking about GW, nimrod, focus.
Yesterday’s news? Hell, you check yesterday’s news. I’m getting ready to go out and make tomorrow’s news!
Hank
I’m no one’s “junior” Price.
And if you want to trade shots you know I am game.
Sunflower was denied it’s permit because of concerns as to carbon emissions. That is precedent setting. Sorry you seem to have missed it.
And in your seemingly addled state, I am wondering what news you will generate tomorrow.
Could be a troll, who knows? The Price’s get weird at night.
Dear cosmos,
So what? Blocking those plants was just pure political grandstanding. They’ll probably go to court and still be built.
I’m apposed to them because of the water requirements. Coal fired plants should be built near the ocean where you could use the sea for your heat sink.
CO2 emissions are a non-problem. Water consumption in Kansas is a real problem.
Hank
The Price is wrong.
Junior, you started the ’shots’.
Why don’t we make a list of what each of us has done to make America a better place this past year.
I do a lot. As near as I can tell you’re not much more than a festering, cancerous, weeping sore on the butt of society.
What in the hell have you done for America this past year?
I still love ya, You make me look good!
Hank
So why the attack and smear Hank?
You could have said what you just did without it.
Well good night guys. I gotta get up early and start making America better!
Orders from junior!!
Hank
More vino than pasta down in Mulvane there Hank?
I called you a “dead ender”.
Your fingers seem much more free.
Oh and do run away before you make an even larger ass of yourself.
“Dear cosmos,
So what? Blocking those plants was just pure political grandstanding. They’ll probably go to court and still be built.
CO2 emissions are a non-problem. Water consumption in Kansas is a real problem.”
Posted by: Hank Price | October 20, 2007 at 11:08 PM
Dear Mr. Hank Price,
Thank you, I will add your above comments to the Time Capsule I’m giving my family and friends.
Only time will tell for 100% certain if “CO2 emissions are a non-problem” — but the credible science says that you are flat out, STUPIDLY wrong.
Ummm guys — DO NOT feed the Fat Ugly, Stupid Trolls!! NOT a good idea… They are out in full force, from what I can see…
One of them is stuck in the past, looking back to a half a line typed in mid-July sometime… Now trying to make a case out of nothing??? Geez!!!
Good Night, Good Luck; and God Bless, whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
“Mark” pushed Sen. Inhofe’s zero credibility anthropogenic global warming deniers in the following posts upthread.
Posted by: Mark | October 20, 2007 at 07:54 AM
Posted by: Mark | October 20, 2007 at 08:51 AM
Posted by: Mark | October 20, 2007 at 09:15 PM
Posted by: Mark | October 20, 2007 at 09:31 PM
Posted by: Mark | October 20, 2007 at 09:46 PM
It’s a good thing his nic is “Mark”, and not “Marc”.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano
“Marc Morano is communications director for the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe,…Morano was “previously known as Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Man in Washington,’ as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show,”
More at,http://www.desmogblog.com/directory_people/marc-morano
Marc Morano is also known as,
‘Senator Inhofe’s Pet Weasel’http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=senator_inhofe_s_pet_weasel&display=print&more=1
I’m telling ya, they don’t use Deutsche Marks anymore, hehehehe.
What a maroon . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 20, 2007 at 10:55 PM
No kidding! I was there in the 1980s and they did use DM.
You know if you would stop your petty nit picking we might get somewhere in this forum.
Oh, and I was there for almost three years, so I do believe I have more experience in the country.
Mary Caruso……………… do I know your husband then?
I know this competition well; the competiton in DC is being run right now by another Wichita Science Educator.
“”"Prejudice much?
Let’s see, Gore is from the South, Ben is from the South, kev lives in the south.”"”
There are lots of stereotypes. Some are true and some are myths. Especially when it comes to the peoples of the south. It is true that there are a decent number of trailer dwellers here that have old pickups with Confederate flag stickers on them (aka rednecks) but the number is far less than folks think. And I would point out that Wichita has no shortage of the same types of folks including members of my own family. But you can, and many of us have, overcome being “rednecks”. Redneckism can be cured with the right things such as a high school diploma or, God forbid, a college degree!
Cosmos,Poor thing, you remind me of a Lemming: Lemmings are small rodents, by the way.On occasion, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore. Due to their association with this odd behavior, lemming suicide is a frequently-used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences.Again Cosmos you are typical of the ‘group think’ liberal in that you attack people and not what their study actually says, or its methods.As I’ve said on occasion concerning ‘man made global warming’, the Earth will quite effectively take care of itself, and will do so with out asking your permission Cosmos and without any input or consideration of your views.
You could at least footnote that the body of your post comes from Wikipedia there Mark.
Here, I helped you get ALL of it this time.
While many people believe that lemmings commit mass suicide when they migrate, this is not the case. Driven by strong biological urges, they will migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can and do swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat[5]. On occasion, and particularly in the case of the Norway lemmings in Scandinavia, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore. [6]
The myth of lemming mass suicide is long-standing and has been popularized by a number of factors. It is usually stated that the main source of the belief in the suicide myth was propagated by The Walt Disney Company documentary White Wilderness which includes footage of lemmings migrating and running head-long over a ledge. An investigation in 1983 by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s Brian Vallee, showed that the Disney film makers faked the entire sequence using imported lemmings (bought from Inuit children), a snow covered turntable on which a few dozen lemmings were forced to run, and literally throwing lemmings into the sea to show the alleged suicides. [7]
Due to their association with this odd behaviour, lemming suicide is a frequently-used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences. This is the theme of the video game Lemmings, where the player attempts to save the mindlessly marching rodents from walking to their deaths.
Now you DID do a little to dispel the old myth about lemmings.
Thing is? Your reference is at odds with your intent. The behavior you allude to in lemmings is survival driven.
Well count me on the side of that.
I didn’t say you were a Lemming, I said you remind me of a Lemming and the statement still stands. And if you will read more carefully you will find it does say that Lemmings, while not intentionally committing suicide, “will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean, they will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore.As Wikipedia stated, and is what applies here, is that it is a “frequently-used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences.”Hang in there you’ll get it, as you will on global warming as well in time.Cosmos, in case you think I have any ill feelings towards you in this verbal dance you and I are having I want to make sure you know that is not the case and I am simply having fun. It is an aspect of my personality, probably unhealthy, to enjoy a good argument and I will frequently take EITHER side just for the sport of it. My actual feeling is there probably is something to this CO2 production and warming thing, and a lot of self promotion on Gore’s part, but I will remain pragmatic in that I don’t want to rush to solutions to problems that are worse than the problem itself. And, I remain convinced the Earth will take care of itself. We may not like the way ’she’ does it, and find it to be rather harsh, but the Earth will survive.Hey got’a run, I’m in trouble with the wife as we are going to go eat some breakfast and she’s not liking the wait I’m causing her.By the way we are driving, not walking….ops…sorry.
Ops, sorry I thought I was responding to Cosmos, but the same applies J.R.
As I’ve said on occasion concerning ‘man made global warming’, the Earth will quite effectively take care of itself, and will do so with out asking your permission Cosmos and without any input or consideration of your views.
Posted by: Mark | October 21, 2007 at 08:32 AM
This is a JM-Kansas sock-puppet.
Oh, and I was there for almost three years, so I do believe I have more experience in the country.
Posted by: Kansas |
1980.
Let’s see, that’s 27 years ago, before the Berlin Wall fell.
Think anything has changed much in almost thirty years?
Also, you were on a frickin’ AIR FORCE BASE for three years, which meant you talked to Americans all day long, you shopped at the PX or whatever the Air Force equivalent is, and you even drank in the tax-payer subsidized bars on base.
Yeah, that’s the way to really get to know the locals . . .
Wow a 2fer for “Mark”.
Use other source words for your own post AND answer the wrong poster.
Do get that coffee.
Again, lemmings behavior is survival directed. It is individuals moving en masse (look it up) but with an individual desire to survive.
Not a bad comparison to folks who want to address global warming at all. Even though you meant otherwise.
Quit while you’re behind.
Frankly, folks,
I think we’ve argued the Global Warming thing to death on these threads.
You’ve got two groups of people: those that believe that scientists should make science and those that don’t.
In the first catagory are the educated, thinking people–cosmos, JR, Ben, Doug, KSfrmgrrl, Tom, and I. We believe that the scientific concensus is what the scientists tell us it is.
The second group consists of people who think they know more than scientists–”Young Earth” Hank, JM-Kansas and his many nics, outlander (so-called because of his professed faith in fundamentalism), “Young Earth” Nathan, Econ etc.
You either believe in the scientific method (first group) or you don’t (second group).
If you don’t, no amount of argument will convince those who make faith-based conclusions to change their outlook.
Or to put in another way, those who choose to believe that the earth rests on the back of a giant turtle can never be convinced otherwise, for they have rejected the entire process of making conclusions based on evidence.
There’s no reasoning with those people.
Rein in just a bit there Capn.
Don’t tar all the faithful with the same brush.
There are growing numbers of Christians who are coming to see responsible stewardship of the planet as very important. Let’s not aleinate them. They just have a little catching up to do.
Rein in just a bit there Capn.
Don’t tar all the faithful with the same brush.
There are growing numbers of Christians who are coming to see responsible stewardship of the planet as very important. Let’s not aleinate them. They just have a little catching up to do.
John Stone, you are STILL insane. Say hey to aaron, will ya?
“CapnAmerica” –
I think it comes down to the recent (albeit, scientific) observation that liberals and conservatives simply think differently.
A few years ago, I decided to listen regularly to Rush Limbaugh in hopes that perhaps…in 15 hours a week of bloviating… he just might say something that surprised me. Never happened. It’s so obvious that the Limbaugh-tomized Masses are the choir and that’s who Rush preaches to. He never challenges the inconsistencies of Republic Party dogma.
My experience has been that conservative approach problems with nothing other than an expectation that the “answer” conform with Republic Party dogma. As Toad Tiahrt insists that corporate profits are more important than taxpayer dollars, so-called “conservatives” can only approach health-coverage reform by protecting for-profit corporations’ bottom line.
Liberals consider all the options as we try to address problems and challenges. The answer isn’t always found in free enterprise. Liberals address and consider and keep our options open. Liberals sometimes surprise me.
“He never challenges the inconsistencies of Republic Party dogma”
Yeah, but he DID complain about being a republic party water carrier.
Just tired of his share of the load? Hehehehehehheeh……
Just wondering Captain,
If the argument over GW is over, why does your side have to consistently lie about your position while at the same time reduce your criticism of our side to name calling and character assassination?
The Goracle’s movie was full of lies and misrepresentations.
If things in the arctic are so serious, why lie about the p[olar bears?
If melting ice caps are such a problem, why exaggerate the potential ocean rise?
I could go on, but Algore getting caught in even one lie or exaggeration makes his whole movie suspect. Even if he did have a modicum of concern over the environment history will prove him to belittle more than a hysterical, bitter political hack.
No, I’m sorry, your consensus is starting to break down. Your lies and exaggerations are going to lose your support. You are turning a generation of children concerned about the environment into a generation of adults skeptical about politicians and their lapdog scientists.
Hank
“Again, Lemmings behavior is survival directed. It is individuals moving en masse (look it up) but with an individual desire to survive.Not a bad comparison to folks who want to address global warming at all. Even though you meant otherwise.Quit while you’re behind.”Posted by: J R | October 21, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Right JR, ha…just as I said and now you also, the Lemming’s behavior IS survival directed, yet gravely misdirected, and results in their death by running over the cliff in masse. Maybe you should step away from the mass hysteria you are a part of for a bit.And I will quit, but not because I’m behind but because you are, and now its turned into a pissing contest which quite frankly bores me. Go turn off a light somewhere, other than in your head, and make yourself feel better.
“Again Cosmos you are typical of the ‘group think’ liberal in that you attack people and not what their study actually says, or its methods.”
Posted by: Mark | October 21, 2007 at 08:32 AM
Mark, you falsely attack me, instead of the content of my posts. My complaint against the people in your (Sen Inhofe’s) list WAS about what “their study actually says, or its methods”.
Make them anonymous, and replace their names with random numbers. Their claims STILL do NOT withstand credible scientific scrutiny.
Mark, read again what I posted:Science is about the SCIENCE, not the people.
Have they published any credible, peer-reviewed papers that refute the anthropogenic global warming consensus? NO!
‘Hissink, CO2 and conspiracy theories’http://timlambert.org/2005/01/hissink3/
‘More Nonsense about CO2′http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php
Mauna Loa, South Pole, and other CO2 graphs,http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/contents.htm
Again: Science is about the SCIENCE, NOT the scientist!
“If the argument over GW is over, why does your side have to consistently lie about your position while at the same time reduce your criticism of our side to name calling and character assassination?
The Goracle’s movie was full of lies and misrepresentations. ”
Posted by: Hank Price | October 21, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Than you Hank, for so ironically proving that our side is right. Gore’s movie is scientifically accurate.
‘Convenient Untruths’http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/convenient-untruths/
“Overall, our verdict is that the 9 points are not “errors” at all (with possibly one unwise choice of tense on the island evacuation point).But behind each of these issues lies some fascinating, and in some cases worrying, scientific findings and we can only applaud the prospect that more classroom discussions of these subjects may occur because of this court case.”
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/10/an_inconvenient_truth_team_gor_1.html
Why do Wingnuts hate Gore?
Because they’re a bunch of hissy-fit, lying bitches who can’t stand that the guy they slimed is better than they are.
Gore’s been right about everything; Wingnuts have been wrong about everything. Ergo, all they have is their impotent, flaccid expressions of hate.
BECAUSE HE’S ALWAYS CORRECT ON ISSUES THAT THEY ARE INCORRECT ABOUT.
“Why do Wingnuts hate Gore?”
Umm…… Guilty conscience?
Pat –
Why don’t you get good and drunk as usual and play with your guns?
Some decent people could use your organs, especially since you’re not doing anything with them.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
I consider the above post is a personal attack. An attack by the socialist Union against the conservatives of America. Therefore, I am ordering a blockaide against CapnAmerica for his very UNAmerican activities of name-calling, labeling, and just plain lurking.
His above post had zero content and served no purpose other than to flame.
There goes his “holier than thou” wings. I think I heard a bell FALL.
He is like the religious right pretending to be a holier person, but he is full of the same sin the rest of us are.
No more calling for or joining BOYCOTT’s. Unless you are protesting Capt America too.
Pat,
Take some consolation in knowing that Capn is boycotting the WE Blog.
He’s protesting all the personal attack posts that are truly hateful and not constructive.
Therefore he is protesting himself. Protesting his own posts by not posting. (Sorta like a union-owned company going on strike against itself!)
He may in fact even assist you with this blockade of himself.
Because he is a compulsive liar and a hypocrite
Yeah, right, Tony–
And GW’s “tons and tons of weapons of mass destruction” was the effing gospel truth, right, dude?
You’re pathetic.