Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, is justified in raising concerns about the size and accuracy of the federal government’s terrorist “watch list.” A Government Accountability Office study released this week said the watch list contained about 755,000 names, though there may be some duplicates. But Lieberman said the list actually now contains about 860,000 names and has increased nearly 500 percent in the past three years. He said the size and rapid growth of the list “could call into question the quality of the list itself.”
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Phillip Brownlee, opinion editor of The Wichita Eagle … WELCOME BACK TO THE FRAY! Haven’t seen many editorials written by you recently. Thought we were going to have to send out a search party.
I made note that Lieberman was the chair and an independent, the republicans are referred to as the minority.Yet independent is of lesser numbers then Republicans, so if this is an attempt at fairness when does a Republican get to chair a committee? Back to the topic, more swatting at flies with a sledgehammer if you can not find real terrorists the easy way is to make everyone a terrorist. Cause everyone to suspect each other of being terrorists and then not only do you fined a real terrorist but also undermine the whole concept of the American way. But then it is:
“Our personal freedoms that is leading to the decay of the society“.
“Our lack of moral core that brings on a people lost in his or her own wantonness“.
BTW, it was not Hillary Clinton that said that is was Irving Kristol the “father of modern Neoconservatives“. Though Tucker last night may have a point, Hillary acts like a Neocon.
Real Terrorists?
There is no such thing.
The Israeli Scam is getting rusty.
I AM A TERRORIST- AND YOU MAY BE TOO!!
Today I learned that I am a terrorist. I am a threat to aviation and a threat to the United States. Not because of anything I have done but because I am a UNION MEMBER. Union members are now being added to the terror watch list by the TSA.
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20071013060623274
The strange thing about this is the fact that hundreds of the firefighters and cops that gave their lives WILLINGLY on 9-11-01 were also union members. Now we must and should inform their families that they caused their own demise by supporting those who attacked the WTC on 9-11-01. I guess, by Republican reasoning that the NYC and NJ cops and firefighters who died on 9-11 did not in fact run to the WTC out of a desire to save those inside but out of a feeling of guilt for having assisted in the attack. And I guess the National Guard soldiers that are in Iraq right now supposedly fighting terrorism will become terrorist themselves when they return home to their union job. So if you work at Cessna and are a member of the Machinist Union, you too just might be told “no fly” next time you go to the airport! Do you people yet see how f**king LOONEY the Republicans are????
860,000 people is about the size of the Atlanta metro white pages book
If you’re looking for loony, you’ll find Hillary.
No Party can claim to have the franchise on “loony.
There are more “Tooth Fairies” than there are “terrorists”
The only two “terrorists” that I can think of are “George and Dick.”
“Terrorists” should be given Nametags.
And have their own line at the Airport…
Iran thinks that Sen. Joe Lieberman is a “terrorist.”
Lieberman is right to question the Terror Watch List.
860,000 is an awful lot. And we all heard the stories of mistaken identity. Like 4 year old children and etc.
I wonder how many people on that list are domestic. The 9/11 Truthers (what they call themselves) is a scary bunch. They have threaten everybody from Rush Limbaugh to Bill Clinton. They are becoming a very radical leftist group who are advocating revolution. I can see some of them can be very dangerous.
Radical leftist can be very dangerous. Just like last night I was watching C-Span and they had an excellent Presidential Library series and last night was on President Ford. The two assignations attempts on his life was by radical leftist. Even today with the fire storm in So. California were set by a leftist arsonist.
Although most people who are leftist are just pathetic lonely losers and just leave them to wallow in their pessimistic lives on their own.
But I can see the radical left demanding the Democrats (since they have bought many of their politicians) to ask them to put everybody who is not a leftist Democrat to be on the terror watch list if they take full control of the government. Hell! I can even see them using the power of government to slaughter millions of Americans.
The good thing is that they don’t have power. And I hope they never do.
Reject leftism! It is not an ideology that should be embraced.
Joe are you aware that during the Ford administration that Paul Wolfowitz and other Neocons wanted Ford to start a shooting war with Russia? The reason? The Soviets had developed a new way of tracking our subs. The problem was that there was not proof of that but Wolfowitz logic to counter the lack of proof may sound familiar. “Just because there is no proof they have, does not mean they have not! We can not wait for the proof as then it will be too late.”.
Instead we got the Helsinki Accords.
And again! Neo-conservatism is a term almost exclusively used by the enemies of America’s liberation of Iraq. There is no “neo-conservative” movement in the United States. When there was one, it was made up of former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan’s Cold War policies against the Soviet bloc. Today “neo-conservatism” are identified as those who believe in an aggressive policy against radical Islam and the global terrorists.
But of course! I don’t see how this has anything to do with the Terror Watch List, Writerdog. Unless you are advocating that anybody you label as a ‘neocon’ should be imprisoned or on the terrorist watch list.
Using the word ‘neocon’ is a pejorative word. When I use the word ‘leftist’, it actually clearly identifies and correctly labels those who embrace a left ideology.
“Today I learned that I am a terrorist. I am a threat to aviation and a threat to the United States. Not because of anything I have done but because I am a UNION MEMBER. Union members are now being added to the terror watch list by the TSA.”
Kev: Just wondered why you would include a link that contradicts your post? Perhaps you should read the article. It presents no evidence or even a claim that union members are being placed on any terrorist watch list.
Where does one find this list?
I should be interested to know if I am on it.
Now there is no PRACTICAL reason that I would be. But I am an announced opponent of bush,neocons, oorporofascism,etc.
I wonder if that’s enough.
I should be interested to know if I am on it.
Now there is no PRACTICAL reason that I would be. But I am an announced opponent of bush,neocons, oorporofascism,etc.
I wonder if that’s enough.
Posted by: J R | October 27, 2007 at 08:58 AM
No doubt you are on it J R.
Here, have another paranoid cookie.
JR, of course it is.If you’re not with him(bush/cheney)you’re against him.
Doesn’t look good for you once WW3 gets going.
GW/DC are goana hafta start it after all this tough talk and stewpid foreign policy.
kansas will be the one putting the electrodes on you testicles, no doubt.
Patriotic guy, that kansas.Darth Cheney’s right hand boy!
Well…
If EVERYBODY who hates bush and cheney and their crowd is on that list it should be right around 6 billion long.
Joe the terrorism watch list plays exactly in to the motives of the “Neoconservatives movement”.Their basic believes that we (the American people) are lacking a common enemy to unite us. We being a large nation need a large enemy to unite us, with the fall of the Soviet Union they and we lost our great enemy. Lacking one they have to make one, the reality that Al-Qaeda lacked a large following among the Islamic people aside. If you look at the history of such Islamic extremist movement, it shows they are doomed to failure by their own actions and thought processes. The classic example is Algeria, just when the movement started gaining in strength their killing of innocents in part do to the government-planting spies who spurred them on to commit such killings. For all practical effect ended the movement there. Much like what happened in Anbar province in Iraq.
Neocons like Cheney realize that and therefore need to find ways to continue the threat real or imagined.Failing to be able to continue to fuel the fire of Al-Qaeda, he want to bring on another war to continue the program. I.E. Iran, most of their “evidence” is liken to that of the evidence of Iraq’s WMD programs.No one is saying that in fact Iran is building a Nuclear weapon, just as of yet they are doing exactly what Iran is saying they are doing building a nuclear supply of power. More of the just because there is no proof they are does not mean they are not. Now would Iran like to have such a weapon? Of course, their sworn enemy Israel has twenty-five such weapons. But if the argument is to stop an unstable government from having nuclear weapons you ignore the 800-pound gorilla in the room. Pakistan has such weapons already and so on.
Is there a need to fight the extremists? Sure but we will not defeat them but military actions, only feed their movement. Their history and the world’s history of fighting terrorism shows this. Al-Qaeda was nothing more then a criminal organization. Those at the training camps were not there to fight for Bin laden but to go back to their own Moslem countries to try and bring about a Islamic state. It was only when Bin Laden and his spiritual leader saw that they movement was doomed to fail in converting Moslem nations to their will that they saw the need to move to the West. The way to defeat them is not to declare war on other countries. That is the need of the Neoconservatives not the United States, we have no need for enemies but they do.
“Using the word ‘neocon’ is a pejorative word. When I use the word ‘leftist’, it actually clearly identifies and correctly labels those who embrace a left ideology.”.
And your using of the term “leftest” is also correct in my use of the term “Neocon” in those who embrace the ideology of the leftest inspired concept of what our society needs to be like.
JR, the list probably is that long. You think this crazy bunch of bushco paranoids would make the real list accessible to sane people? All they have is fear and look around on this blog at those they convince to be afraid of terrorists. The thinking people know it’s bushco who are the real danger.
Funny, as much as we worry about terrorists in this country that list isn’t big at all. Thought thier would be more.
As a side note: Hope Sterling Boys wins 2A xc today, hope, nope they will. haha
The terrorist watchlist actually has nothing to do with terrorism. It is an attampt by the Bush Administration to cut airport and air traffic congestion, which had been a real problem ever since Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers.
Geee Jed I guess I never looked at it that way. Just another way our government is looking out for us! Yeeahhh Bush he’s our man if Bush can’t do it no one can!!!LOL
“The terrorist watchlist actually has nothing to do with terrorism.”
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Just like the bushco war on terror has nothing to do with terrorism. And the current administration has nothing to do with what’s good for America.
“But if the argument is to stop an unstable government from having nuclear weapons you ignore the 800-pound gorilla in the room. Pakistan has such weapons already and so on.”
writerdog: I gotta take issue with that thought. So wouldn’t two unstable countries having nuclear weapons be twice as big a problem? Or in the case of Iran, with their nut case leader, about 100 times the problem. As far as whether they are trying to build nukes, if you are one of the leading oil exporting countries why would you need to develop nuclear power for peaceful purposes?
No, all except those who have their head buried in the sand know what a danger a nuclear Iran would be to regional and ultimately world peace.
Some of the comments on this thread remind me again of why liberals should never be trusted with national defense.
I think America has the biggest “nut case leader,” and I am never able to forget that he has nuclear capabilities. That should be what scares every American!
“Reject leftism! It is not an ideology that should be embraced.”
That has to be the craziest post I have ever read. Frightening.
Outlander, what country has Iran invaded in the past 200 years? It would seem that Iran has a long history of staying within it’s borders. You also ignore the fact that the Iranian president doesn’t control the military.
This list is getting so long, I’m beginning to wonder who is going to keep tabs on all these people and who is going to watch them. I run a controversial blog and wonder if it’s being monitored by government agents. Now I can’t help wondering if the list is so long, they can’t read my blogs without falling asleep.It’s a lot like the McCarthy days, except their list is getting so big this witch-hunt will unravel faster than McCarthy’s did.
While everyone is “hand-wringing” over whether or not Iran is going to get a nuke….don’t look now, but an even scarier situation is already apon us…a country with an unstable government that is rapidly losing ground to Islamic Fundamentalists, already has nukes, sells nuke secrets to other unstale governments and is populated with a growing generation of angry,western-hating zealots. That country is PAKISTAN, a supposed US ally.
Outlander that is like if currently they focused solely on the cigarette that is throw out the window while the hillside on the other side is ablaze. The choice is to either focus on the country that already has the bomb, where Bin Laden is hiding. And there is a portion of the military in that country that is at least sympatric to Bin Laden’s cause. Or start yet another front for our military to be fighting on with a country that does not even have a bomb and is years from having one.
Also need I reminded you, as of now the terrorists whom we fight are Sunni while Iran is Shiite. Sworn enemies of each other and not likely to give such a dynamic weapon to the other. There would be a possibility it would be used against them. Of course some damn fool attack upon Iran could change all that.Depending on the size of the attack, even a minor strike could cause an increase in the tensions in Iraq along with a real concerted effort to disrupt now that finally it looks to be progress being made there.
Why would a country that has so much oil want a peaceful nuclear program? Mainly that the prediction is that the oil would be running out in fifty years. Nuclear is a clean form of energy, more effective in the generation of electricity and since their limited in other forms of generation is their best option.
As to a threat to the region, Iran has not threaten anyone other then Israel and only because Israel has threaten them. I have no doubt they want to be a major force in the region, in a region where everyone wants to be a major force in the region. Does Iran see us as a threat to them? I would have to say yes, they witnessed us invading a neighbor that did not attack us. After aiding us in a war on Al-Qaeda and the talban we are threatening them with an attack upon them. They know of the list that the PNAC made up of countries that the United States need to invade and control. And they after Iraq are second on that list.Then saw many of the same people that belong to that Neoconservatives organization hold major post within the Bush administration. Yes I believe they would see the U.S. as a threat, along with every country in the region does that is also on the list.
Ok lets look at the worst case, an Iran that has a nuclear weapon? They would now have an ace in the hole, Israel gets frogie, now there is an equal danger to Israel from a nuclear attack. If they gave it to Hezbollah, well there is not guess work as to who gave it to them. Iran would be a large glass mirror after the United States response to such an action, no win there. Yes we would have yet another country that has nuclear weapons so the count is now 9 instead of 8 countries that we worry will be going off half cocked.
In reality a Nuclear Iran is not more a danger then the other countries that have it. Remember the world holding its breath when India and Pakistan were pointing theirs at each other?
It is not in America best interest to be playing moral dictator to the world! It only makes us the aggressor and a short look at history should tell you what is the fate of countries that become an aggressor to the world.
I expect writerdog to slip on a pink t-shirt any day now.
And I’m waiting with bated breath for Kansas to get busted trying to hustle sex (and failing) in the men’s room at the airport.
Bush is telling us there are 860,000 terrorists in this country, and he’s sent all our armed forces to Iraq? I’m glad they’re out of harm’s way!
Good Point I’m glad our troops are…yes… out of harms way, I mean who needs them here in American when they are much safer in Irag… Well I don’t know about safer, but who is going to protect us if somebody figures out we are without troops, instead our troops are overseas trying to keep a country happy so we can have thier oil!!!!
I expect writerdog to slip on a pink t-shirt any day now.
Posted by: Kansas | October 27, 2007 at 06:52 PM
At long last “sir”, have you no decency? (well your dirty pic blog settles that question)
writerdog has a son going in harm’s way. He’s earned an opinion here.
What sir have YOU earned lately?
Oh that’s right, you collect a disability check for an injury you variously ascribe to combat or accident.
Is somebody going to get hurt when this is over with?
A couple of years after 9/11 I had to fly to a conference in Boston. I managed to get out of the gate without my boarding pass. I had crossed the tarmac and walked up the steps of the plane where the flight attendant asked for my boarding pass. Because I didn’t have it, I was asked to stand at the entrance of the plane while the crew double-checked my passenger status. The flight attendant asked how long it had been since I’d flown. I replied ten years – a long time, I really didn’t remember the last time I had flown. She smiled at me. I stood. A few minutes later, she got a call from the gate. She turned to me and told me I could take a seat on the plane. Then she smiled and said, eight years is a long time between flights. Her comment struck me friendly since I knew I’d told her I’d last flown ten years ago. I’d in my seat just a few minutes when I realized my last flight had been almost 8 years to the month: I’d flown to meet my new nephew when he was born eight years previously.
I dunno what kind of record keeping they were doing then that my history as a passenger had been available from 8 years ago. But, if they could get that information about me from that long ago that fast, just imagine the access an unfettered Bush/Cheney administration has been able to collect about you and I, and any other American, since.
I say we ALL get on it and create total chaos for the administration.
Seriously, and start typing stuff in your emails and blogs and text messages that make the red lights and whistles on Echelon and Carnivore and whatever other snoop software the administration uses to data mine our info go off. Get as too many names into the system for it to be feasible for those who might abuse their power to do anything about it.
I was cleaning under a couch cushion today helping Bush look for WMD and found another terrorist to add to Bush’s terrorist list. I guess when you sneak into Rush Limbaugh’s medicine cabinet you start seeing a whole lot of things that don’t exist.
Sounds like there are 860000 people with just cause to be paranoid of their govt. whisking them away in their Rendition program, just to find out what they may know!
Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee sells Americans into giving-up their freedoms for his carpetbagging of a false sense of security.
The Israeli first Lieberman is helping to pave the way for a Zionist takeover of the United States government for which he has no loyalty.
The ‘terrorist watch list’ is a joke. It was thought up by Bush’s band of Merry Marketeers to make the American public think there was something the government could do that would actually make them safer.
Joe Knows, but he ain’t tellin’
Facility 1391Israel’s GuantanamoBy JONATHAN COOK
http://www.counterpunch.org/cook11122003.html
Oh Doug,C’mon- everybody knows you don’t clean under your couch cushions except when you’re broke.
…Merry Marketeers ?