As promised, President Bush has vetoed Congress’ bipartisan $35 billion expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. He prefers only a $5 billion increase, which experts say won’t keep up with the needs of children now eligible for SCHIP. With his veto, Bush has handed Democrats a juicy issue for the campaign ads of 2008. But congressional leaders should keep their tantrums brief and head back to the negotiating table to find an SCHIP expansion that either the president can sign or that will attract enough votes to be veto-proof.
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What a shock – veto #4. Where was Bush’s veto pen during the 6 years of total Republican-controlled Congress spending money like drunken sailors?
Official Websites for SCHIP
Health and Human services:http://www.cms.hhs.gov/home/schip.asp
State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/home/schip.asp
The Kansas version of SCHIP called HealthWavehttp://www.kansashealthwave.org/english.asp
Well, Bush did it; he vetoed SCHIP! 73% of the people wanted this bill and Bush vetoed it, middle finger raised on high! About an equal percentage don’t want Bush’s War. EVERYBODY write, phone, e-mail your congressman NOW, and insist that they withhold all funds for his petty personal war for profit until the children of America get the health care they deserve! If we can’t do this, we have no business calling ourselves Free Americans! Get Busy! You have nothing to save but your integrity!
bush had only the Republicans to blame during his first six years in office. He is all about partisan politics. He’s made such a mess of things his only hope is to use the two years of his presidency where the Democratic Party holds a slim majority and he can blame everything on anyone but himself without further damage to his own party.
Here’s the link to Tiahrt’s website where you can send an email, find phone numbers…
http://www.house.gov/tiahrt/welcome.shtm
Everyone please contact your Representatives to let them know how you feel about this bill. There’s a veto-proof majority for the compromise SCHIP bill sent to the president. It passed the House with less than a veto-proof vote but maybe if enough people contact their Representatives this foolish veto can be overridden.
“73% of the people”
People being Senators. :)
Should have read “In the Senate there is a veto proof majority…” Sorry. My fingers don’t mind well!
95% of the population has no clue what the hell they are talking about when it comes to this bill.
Come on, why not do a poll on nuclear fusion or DNA?
It is time for lazy politicians and lazy journalists to quit quoting opinion polls and start explaining facts to people.
The American people RARELY have enough information on which to form an opinion, when it comes to legislation.
That is why we have a REPUBLIC and not a pure Democracy!
Even then, we would do a better job of electing leaders if politicians and the press would stick to the facts.
Such as: Why should the taxpayers pay for insurance for the children of individuals who make more than $80,000.00 a year?
Such as: We can’t afford Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security, without drastic changes. Should we be stacking on another entitlement?
A society that can afford wars of aggression can surely afford to see to the health of its citizens.
At least, it better.
But if it was just Republicans to benefit from SCHIP, then Paulie would be all for it.
One of this administrations many negative legacies:
Save the stem cells! Screw the children!
“why not do a poll on nuclear fusion”
No, then Ben would get all geeky on us. :)
Further proof that if bush cares anything about AMERICAN children that caring attitude ends once they are born.
Kans,”"73% of the people”
People being Senators. :)”
No, people electing Senators and Representatives who are supposed to represent their interests instead of the interests of campaign contributors. It’s time We the People took our government back! We do this by voting out incumbents and keep voting them out until our politicians get the idea that they are OUR representatives in government and not the money’s!
This is not about partisanship; this form of corruption is present in both parties, and will be as long as we let it! It’s time, long past time to rid ourselves of it!
Why should I be F-ing responsible for paying for other peoples health insurance when I can barely afford my own?
I wonder what percentage of those families insured by SCHIP have SUV’s and Big Screen TV’s? :)
Kans,”"73% of the people”
People being Senators. :)”
No, people electing Senators and Representatives who are supposed to represent their interests instead of the interests of campaign contributors. It’s time We the People took our government back! We do this by voting out incumbents and keep voting them out until our politicians get the idea that they are OUR representatives in government and not the money’s!
This is not about partisanship; this form of corruption is present in both parties, and will be as long as we let it! It’s time, long past time to rid ourselves of it!
Kansas – probably the same percentage of Republicans milking their entitlement programs, of which Bush will never veto.
well, the 30 billions difference are worth 10 weeks of Irak war !
You have to set priorities …
Semp,”Why should I be F-ing responsible for paying for other peoples health insurance when I can barely afford my own?”
I hate to tell you this, but the reason you can barely afford your own is because the costs of those who can’t are being added to your bill, and in the most expensive way possible.
Universal coverage would reduce health care costs for us all by allowing currently uninsured people preventive care instead of having them wait until health problems become so acute that only the most expensive treatments will be effective.
“I wonder what percentage of those families insured by SCHIP have SUV’s and Big Screen TV’s? :)”
That is the question. If your household is making $60 to 80,000,and you can’t afford medical insurance, I would bet your house is too expensive along with your car, car insurance, big flat screen TV, XBox and on and on.
It’s not our job to pay for you to have toys. We can only guarantee the “pursuit” of happiness, not your actual happiness.
Ah the simplistic “they aint suffering enough” tac.
One wonders what level of poverty, misery and pain is sufficient to engage conservative compassion.
Oh that’s right. There’s no such thing
JedPeople who can afford health insurance now but refuse to buy it will not be responsible enough to take advantage of “preventive care” — most “wellness” arguments are feel good hype.
The public does NOT, in large measure, take advantage of preventive services.
This is the same Bush who lied about the cost of his prescription drug program which was merely a giveaway to the drug companies. He wanted the drug companies to determine the price rather than have the government negotiate the price to reduce costs.
Now he’s interested in combating “socialist healthcare” and pretending to be a fiscal conservative? Just like Tiahrt he’ll throw money to campaign donors but when it comes to helping the average American he whips out the veto pen.
Fleetie,”If your household is making $60 to 80,000,and you can’t afford medical insurance, I would bet your house is too expensive along with your car, car insurance, big flat screen TV, XBox and on and on.”
You shouldn’t stay up nights worrying about other people’s finances; vote for universal health care, everybody gets the same and you save yourself an ulcer!
And yet you miss the point.
It is a JOINT state/federal program. The way it is currently run (i.i Healthwave here in KS) is that the STATE mandates the level at which you qualify.
And even better – do any of you screaming against this bill know how it is going to be funded? Yeah, I thought so. The proposed bill’s funding was to come through an increase in the cigarette tax… and that $35 bil increase they requested? That is over a 5 year period…
Not to mention that, yeah, here in KS where COL is LOW – $60-80 G’s is a lot of money… Try living in Florida, New York or California on that pay and see how well you are doing, and then get back to me, okay?
PLEASE, at least inform yourself before you jump on the “Bush is always right” bandwagon – Because I hate to burst your bubble or break your illusions, but the guy is NOT God, which means that he is NOT infallible, which would translate into “HE MAKES MISTAKES!!!” – and it’s time he started admitting it…
“You shouldn’t stay up nights worrying about other people’s finances…”
I don’t. Until they have their hand out. Begging. In their nice house. Watching their big TV. With the nice car parked out front.
Pall,I’ve been on both sides of that fence, and believe me I go to the doctor four times a year now.When a family can’t afford insurance, and there are plenty of families that have to live on less than $2000 a month, their biggest fear is that one of them will be hospitalized. Hospitals don’t just write them off, they often hound them for years, attach pitifully small bank accounts, take their old cars and charge interest rates that would embarrass a credit card company.You, of course, would like to sell them insurance that may or may not provide coverage for premiums of half or more of their monthly income, and see universal coverage as a government effort to remove your hand from their pockets. It is! You may be forced to find another scam to support yourself in the manner to which you’ve become accustomed.
You shouldn’t stay up nights worrying about other people’s finances; vote for universal health care, everybody gets the same and you save yourself an ulcer!
The problem is once the govt gets involved we will not all get the same, those of us who are sacrificing for our selves and our employees to provide them with good medical benefits will end up losing. It is proven that once the govt gets involved in pretty mcuh anything that the costs go up and the quality goes down. There are a vast majority of people who have health care available to them NOW that CHOOSE not to take advantage of it for whatever reason. I think that until it can be proven that there are a majority of people who want insurance but have no way to get it then the system should be left in private hands.
I would be wiling to bet that the vast majority of folks who are bitching the loudest have access to health care albiet with some sacrifice on their part. I know that everyone thinks they should live the good life with no sacrifice but that is not the America I love. Sacrifice is what has made this country great and we are the generation that seems to have forgotten that
And yes I know there are spelling errors in my post, live with it :)
The SCHIP is another progam that can be abused just like Medicaid.
If the SCHIP program goes away, the the abusers will just quit their jobs, get their kids and themselves on Medicaid and be done with it.
The system abusers will always be around. The real solution to this problem is to be assure there are secure jobs that offer livable wages and access to afforadable health care.
Republicans believe every child has the right to live until it’s born.
Hehehe, good one, MonkeyH.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
The SCHIP program is destroyed! It’s going away!
(narrows eyes and looks over the top of his glasses at Libs)
“It is proven that once the govt gets involved in pretty mcuh anything that the costs go up and the quality goes down.”
Another member of Econ’s free-markeeterianism religion.
The administrative costs for Medicare is 2 percent. The costs for private health care is above 15 percent.
That’s the thing about religious belief, one doesn’t need facts.
Fleetie,In case you’re concerned (unlikely), I’m not begging, my granddaughter and I live on a modest income in a small but nice house my father built, my TV is 9yr old CRT, my computer is a state-of-the-art system that my son built for me about 10mo. ago, I have decent health coverage and am generally quite contented.It hasn’t always been so; my family has gone through some several major disasters and the hard times that followed them. I remember them well, and I see others going through the same struggles we did.I’ve also watched as businesses have discovered that providing good healthcare coverage for their employees is financial good sense, and it occurs to me that improving the general health of our nation is equally good sense.Currently, I’m told, the military is rejecting nearly half of potential enlistees for health reasons at a time when it is seriously understaffed.Productivity could be increased further by a healthy workforce.Children who receive adequate medical care grow up to be healthier adults who require less care.While our medical expertise is second to none, it’s lack of availability to large segments of the population leave our country at the bottom of developed nations in overall health. That is a weakness we can’t afford.Despite the relentless propaganda to the contrary, Universal Healthcare Systems do work, and work well. I’ve talked to many people from countries that have them, who can’t believe that what passes for a healthcare system here works at all. Truth be told, it sometimes doesn’t. When it does, it sometimes results in bankruptcy for families, either from medical costs or insurance premiums. We need a universal coverage system; we needed it 15yrs ago, and we need now!
Is George W. Bush really arrogant enough to think that anyone but his meagerly 28% believes anything he says?
Bush did this as a partisan move to try to make the Democrats look bad but, us I understand this, there is bipartisanship support for the SCHIP.
There have already been several key Republicans distancing themselves from the Bush Administration. Was this really a smart thing to veto?
The administrative costs for Medicare is 2 percent. The costs for private health care is above 15 percent.
That’s the thing about religious belief, one doesn’t need facts.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
But Capn – you miss the point. That 15 percent going to private health care is going to the right people – Republican donors.
(sarcasm)
“That’s the thing about religious belief, one doesn’t need facts.”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 03, 2007 at 03:29 PM
Yes Capn…
I’m sure there is some Methodist Bishop at Blue Cross making all the decisions.
or perhaps
A covey of Baptists ensuring that proper “insurance riders” with increasing premiums are attached to your health insurance to ensure short term amortization that is directly proportional to your illness.
Yeah, got to watch those people with religious beliefs, they are into everything!
I bet some of those zealots are marking up the prices on used cars right now!
As I recall, you are on government assistance aren’t you Kansas JM?
So…government aid is ok.
So long as it’s for you.
Now we know why you are here all the time. You’d have to look at yourself in the morning. So you don’t go to bed.
I was a government employee (Air Force) when I got my disabling injury.
But sure, go ahead, mock the crippled guy, you Libs don’t have any bounds when it comes to insults.
$220,000,000.00 spent in iraq today however.
Well you sure are not the one to be talking about bounds.
And I’ve just as much compassion for you as you do for poor kids who get sick.
Glad you can read my mind J R.
Actually, I encouraged those who need assistance to go the HealthWave Website and enroll.
However, I’m not about leaving a signed check laying about with no amount filled in like the Democrats.
“A covey of Baptists…”
I believe that’s a gaggle.
Or a bevy.
why shouldnt bush veto childrens healthcare insurance? bush has already put children in debt the rest of their lives all for the tax cuts for bill gates and ted turner and of course borrowing billions from the red chinese for the iraq war. mr family values bush.
Let’s me and Kansas JM switch hats for a post.
Ewww don’t you ever wash this thing?
Putting it on…
You say you were injured years ago? I’m guessing a head injury?
How is that any of my affair? You’ve had years to recover or adapt. Man up! Suck it up and hitch up your boot straps! I wasn’t put on this Earth to give a damn about you. Hell you could live in that condition for years. How deep do you think our pockets are?
Whew…
I didn’t like that much. You can have your hat back.
Yeah, I forgot myself J R. You Libs can make personal attacks on anyone not of your ideology and it’s perfectly okay with your side.
You know, if I did that, your band of hyenas would come out of the woodwork in gang style attack.
So J R, carry on…it shows the world what a pathetic pile of rotting carcasses the Libs are composed.
Gives us more demonstrations of your double standards please.
Double standards sir?
You mean like how it is ok for you to get government service. But not someone else?
I hardly call it an attack to introduce you to your own hypocrisy. I’m sorry it’s so big and scary.
By your rhetoric, making the acquaintance was a painful experience for you. I have to tell you that swinging at me will only seem to make it feel better.
I’ve no further interest in your hat. I’d like you to go ahead and borrow mine for awhile. Just don’t lose it.
If you think JR is making fun of a crippled guy, then what did you think of Rush Limbaugh making fun of Michael J. Fox?
The NepCons howled with laughter at Rush when he pulled that pathetic stunt.
So let’s not assign making fun of crippled guys only to the Libs.
“Well, Bush did it; he vetoed SCHIP! 73% of the people wanted this bill and Bush vetoed it, middle finger raised on high!”
Bush made the hard choice. It would have been easy to OK it.He knew exactly the gimme gimme heat he would take. He made the right choice.If you make $80,000 per year, pay for your own insurance.It used to be “a hand up, not a hand out”. It’s creeped into Hand out Hand out.
The maid makes less and less sense every post.
all we are saying is give haliburton a chance…to steal more $$$$$$$!!
“So J R, carry on…it shows the world what a pathetic pile of rotting carcasses the Libs are composed.”
XXX sniffs pits,
Excuse me…rotting carcasses? That seems a little extreme.
You’re doing fine maidmarion.
I think you are new since I was last around. Glad to know you.
Don’t mind fleetie. Every village has to have an idiot. Fleetwood brought friends.
I predict this gets vetoed. That is unless the GOP wants to commit political suicide.
The veto gets vetoed that is.
Excuse me…rotting carcasses? That seems a little extreme.
Posted by: XXX | October 03, 2007 at 04:40 PM
Yes, but the forum was full of metaphor and I just couldn’t miss the opportunity to demonstrate proper utilization. :)
The families I know who have government insurance for their kids have a 19″ garage-sale tv and a 10 yr. old 4 dr.family sedan. And they make about $20,000. I don’t know what the income limits are on the insurance, but I do think $80,000 a yr. jobs include family insurance.
Bush jumped into this political trap with both feet. Bush’s philosphical issues vs. children’s health care. The upcoming campaign ads will be a pleasure to behold.
Healthwave in Kansas is a very aggressively managed resource – I have seen no evidence that it has been used except for services that were entirely necessary.
Another thread where Kansas bemoans his victimhood. Somebody, please change that channel.
Isn’t it interesting 73% of the people in this country wanted the bill to pass. The other 27%? Wanna bet they’re the same ones who okay spending hundreds of billions of American dollars on killing people.
Enemy, friend, or non-combatants, it makes no difference to them; especially kids. Kids, it seems, especially American kids, appear to hold less sympathy than do some Iraqi non-combatant.
Jesus wept.
The Senate will vote to override – GOP Senators want to get re-elected. The House will not – the repukes there are in sufficiently gerrymandered districts they don’t have to worry. However, hopefully we will retire at least some of them – beginning with TankerLESS Todd.
Another thread where Kansas bemoans his victimhood. Somebody, please change that channel.
Posted by: Steven Davis | October 03, 2007 at 05:14 PM
No jerk off. I was responding to J R who insulted me.
If he wants a butt whipping, have him call me up and this cripple will mop the floor with him.
I’m glad this bill was vetoed. But what was actually vetoed was the push to increase the coverage of this program from poor kids needing help to ADULTS who are 25 and make up to 82,000 bucks a year. Oh yeah, can’t forget this will treat ILLEGAL ALIENS with no questions or ID asked. What better way to increase the population from Mexico! What better way to increase the number illegal aliens illegally voting for them? Why do you think they don’t want ID for voting? How hard is it to whip out your Drivers License? But I am digressing.
But $82,000 is more than I make and I pay for insurance to cover myself and my family. My kids have almost moved on to their own lives and responsible living so the only thing I get out of this bill is to pay for a bunch of people who don’t need it. You make $82,000, you can pay for your own insurance!
Tax money will still be used to pay for the program. They think tobacco tax will cover the increase in coverage. Yeah, right… When has the government been right in guessing the amount of money needed to pay for a program?
This program is not to supplement a the lack of medical coverage, but to replace health insurance programs provided by employers because they can’t be receiving any other insurance coverage to get covered by this program.
If the democrats hadn’t pushed for this big new FREEBEE for other who don’t need the coverage.
Besides, the last thing I want is the government to start controlling my health insurance and medical care as part of a Nationalized Health Care Program. Want to know why? Just look at the problems with Medicaid, Medicare, and the VA Hospitals for one view.
Look at the problems Europeans and Canadians are having with their medical care when it comes to surgery or extensive treatment issues. They can be refused the treatment and if they do receive it, it might be 6 months or more to get it. Want a kidney transplant? If you are a certain age, forget it. They won’t do it for you or your family member.
You smoke? You eat too much? You have some other medical problem they don’t like? You won’t get treatment. You need medicine that costs too much? They won’t pay for it either.
Think I am kidding? Just do some news story searches from their major newspapers to see what this is all about.
The maid makes less and less sense every post.
Posted by: fleettwood
Again, with the denouncing of me but no proof to back your boy king George’s actions.
What? Nothing to prove your boy king is right?
64% of all healthcare in America is already controlled by the Government. You’re paying yours PLUS 64% of other people’s medical care. Hey if you want to continue paying triple for it, fine, but I’d suggest you get in on national healthcare so you only have to pay once.
KansasJM
Merely holding you to your own standards, sir.
I didn’t insult you. I told the truth about you. If I wanted to insult you, trust me you would know it. I’ve written stuff that would take the paint off a house. The closest I came to insulting you was to suggest that you were the victim of a head injury. You daily make that a reasonable deduction. You don’t get to run away from your own earned reputation.
For clarity, (not yours, I don’t care what you think) let me say that I think you are fully entitled to the benefits you receive. I was not suggesting otherwise. If one can shame a hypocrite, one might educate him as to the condition. Indeed, I don’t think we do enough for our veterans.
You are clearly a person in pain. As a liberal, it is not my nature to add to that pain or exploit it. With you I feel no such restriction. You certainly feel little compunction at sharing or rather inflicting your pain on everyone else and have chosen this forum as your outlet. You do have a certain amount of my pity. You don’t get to use it to be treated different than anyone else here. You’ve made no secret of your weaknesses and I’ve not lied about them. As you use my weaknesses against me (making fun of me because I used webtv and have financial difficulties etc.) I am free to use yours against you. In this case, they were relevant.
As to a confrontation. No. You are several years my senior and apparently disabled in some way. I’ve no wish to beat you up. Too IMHO you are not mentally balanced. I don’t bring my fists to a gun, knife, or chainsaw fight. I think we can damage one another sufficiently here. You are trying to make me J R who verbally abuses a cripple. I won’t let you make me J R who beat up the disabled person.
Really, you do make this all too easy. Wear that metaphorical hat I loaned you for awhile. I got another.
My health care is paid for. It’s paid for with Medicare, by my pension from my retirement job and by my co-pay and deductible. I earned it, thank you. Spare me the nonsense about socialized medicine. What I earned has kept me alive, no doubt.
I have a couple of grandchildren who got health care a couple of years ago only because they qualified because their dad was out of work and their mom worked for a national nursing home chain which paid crappy wages. They’re all doing spendidly now, whereas without SCHIP they would have been bankrupt and likely never would have lived in their own home.
Bush, who is burning up $12 billion a month in Iraq objected to the cost of this program which would have been paid entirely by nicotine users. He is so deep into the pockets of the health care, insurance and pharmaceutical industry he can never climb out.
It’s proven that the higher the price of cigarettes goes, the less people smoke. Talk about a win-win situation.
Tiahrt is a disgrace for refusing to override this veto.
Thanks, Elder. That was great.
Every time Kansas gets called on why taxpayer-funded health care is a right for him but a “choice” for everybody else, he responds with “waaah, they’re making fun of a cripple.”
That didn’t work the first time you used it but continue to humiliate yourself, Kansas.
Nobody does it as well as you do . . .
Posted by: Elder Citizen
It’s proven that the higher the price of cigarettes goes, the less people smoke. Talk about a win-win situation.
Hmmm… think about what you just wrote… when people stop buying the smokes, that means NO TAX MONEY at pay for the additional people who could easily afford insurance who will now be on it. So I wonder who’s pocket is the money coming from to pay for the FREE insurance people could actually afford to pay. How much of YOUR retirement will go towards that?
As for medical care… Not all of the specialists will need to sign up to cover you with this insurance. They can chose to deal with CASH ONLY for the care they provide. Like I said, go look at these articles to see how the quality of medical care has fallen in those countries before you scream for the same. Once it has been started, there won’t be a way to turn it around.
Every time Kansas gets called on why taxpayer-funded health care is a right for him but a “choice” for everybody else, he responds with “waaah, they’re making fun of a cripple. Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 03, 2007 at 06:52 PM
Because I earned mine by working for the company (Air Force) that provided the health care.
I didn’t have my hand out asking for a freebie. I took lower pay for the equivalent civilian job to get the benefits.
Just like Union employees who get health care working at their job.
Teachers are also government employees who get health care payed for by the government. You going to make the comments to Apophis Capn?
No, I didn’t think you would.
“Like I said, go look at these articles to see how the quality of medical care has fallen in those countries before you scream for the same.”
Posted by yitsme.
O, you mean like the French, or the Swedes, where the annual per capita spent on medical is half that of the United States? You mean those same countries where the average life span is way above ours?
Ya, that sure sounds like a sorry system to me . . . not!
Yitsme–
Your arguments would be a lot more effective if they weren’t . . . uh . . . idiotic.
“No jerk off. I was responding to J R who insulted me.
“If he wants a butt whipping, have him call me up and this cripple will mop the floor with him.”
Posted by: Kansas
Goodness, goodness… Name calling and making threats. Not very good behavior, you know? I thought you were supposed to be playing nice now. You just may have to take your toys and go home.
I used to think that WS Clark was the most reactive poster here. You are beating him by a mile. :D
the v a healthcare is ran poorly on purpose so the right wing nut jobs can say “see how bad it is”. any thinking person knows since the dawn of reagan government services have been under steady attack by the privitization zealots. its time to take america back.
“Why should the taxpayers pay for insurance for the children of individuals who make more than $80,000.00 a year?”
Maybe you’re the one who needs to get your facts straight, Econ101.You’re about as informed as Bush was when he vetoed the bill.
Jr….First and foremost, i must commend you on your choice of words with “kansas”. Showed great resolve and stated exactly what many of us know in here. As a person who don’t post much, i just sit and read and enjoy the blog on a daily basis. I might add though, Hypocrisy does tend to run rampant in his world and he forgets it, i applaud you for your reminder.
Just don’t understand how a leader of our country can just let the children do without. They are the most precious resource this country has. Oh well, the deterioration will continue till the 2008 elections and hopefully we can right the ship.
the “we hate national healthcare” crowd is mostly the old Weapons of Mass Destruction [WMD] crowd. no one takes them seriously any longer.
“Because I earned mine by working for the company (Air Force) that provided the health care.”
I wonder if reading these right-wing posts poses a brain damage threat.
Why should someone who works for a tax-payer funded institution get health-care and someone who is self-employed not get the same benefits?
Someone who gets injured working for the gov’t has “earned” his benefits from the gov’t (read, “tax-payer”) any more than any one else.
That’s actually a good argument IN FAVOR OF universal health-care. What’s good enough for gov’t workers should be good enough for those of us who PAY for it.
hasn’t earned . . . typo
No kidding, J Walker.
And not only that, I’ve never met a Frenchman yet that didn’t smoke like a Chevy Vega, exercise is unknown to them, and they STILL outlive us.
Amazing.
It’s a shame that our priorities are so screwed up. What could be more basic than a country providing affordable health care to it’s citizens? I don’t understand why so many think universal healthcare would be such a disaster for our country. Have you ever had a serious illness and tried to work with a private insurer? They do everything in their power to deny and limit your access to treatment, because the more treatment a person gets, the less money they make, and the CEO’s don’t like that one bit. I had my own personal nightmare with my insurance company, it was one of the most stressful things I ever went through.As a nurse, I can tell you it’s much easier to get patients the help and care they need if they have Medicaid or Medicare. There is nothing wrong with government substidized health care..and it runs pretty smooth from my experience..much smoother than trying to get benefits for those with private insurers. Education, safety, and healthcare for all our citizens, I can’t think of a better way to spend our tax dollars..sure beats the hell out of throwing it away on other countries who hate us.
What they should do is attach the very same bill to the $200 billion Iraq bill Bush wants and force him to sign it.
The characterization of Government run health care as a “bad thing” is far and away the biggest lie conservatives tell. Despite the 28%ers here, I think the people of the U.S. and certainly corporations in the U.S. are ready for government subsidized health care.
Right now they have universal health care in Iraq and WE are paying for it all!
I hope in his next life Bush is reborn as a sick child with working class parents who can’t qualify for governemnt benefits because they make slightly more than the poverty level.
Bush’s lack of empathy is proof of how out of touch or truly evil he really is.What an asshole.
“I’m glad this bill was vetoed. But what was actually vetoed was the push to increase the coverage of this program from poor kids needing help to ADULTS who are 25 and make up to 82,000 bucks a year. Oh yeah, can’t forget this will treat ILLEGAL ALIENS with no questions or ID asked. What better way to increase the population from Mexico! What better way to increase the number illegal aliens illegally voting for them? Why do you think they don’t want ID for voting? How hard is it to whip out your Drivers License? But I am digressing.”
Yitsme, WHERE do you get this BS?Rush Lamebutt and/or his cronies?Check your facts.
Nope, I didn’t get the info from Rush.
I notice how insulting some of you are in trying to get your statements across when someone disagrees with you. Its too bad you think name calling will show your superiority and knowledge. It really doesn’t. All it shows is the lack of ability to carry a conversation (even on a blog) in a semi-adult manner.
Obviously some of you have not read everything related to this bill, you just take it for what has been stated in the media and politicians trying to sell it.
Remember how they tried to sneak the ol’ “Lets make everyone a Citizen Bill” this past July, forgetting to mention all the sneaky little things in it? Well, take the time to read it a bit more carefully when you do.
Thanks for the kind words First_Timer. It’s great to hear from readers.
It’s pretty dishonest when a blogger starts out posting links to health care for poor kids, then spends all his other posts applauding this veto. He did save one to point out that he always posts links to help people find the health care that he is applauding being canceled. And he went a couple rounds with me.
Back to business.
The expansion of this plan addressed a real problem. It was meant to help relieve the burden on small business of providing health care for their employees.
Think about it. It’s a solution to a problem the “free market” caused.
For the last 25 years, small business has been marginalized, bought up or bankrupt by big business. Meanwhile health care costs have soared. A big business can distribute its health care insurance premiums over a large pool of people. Not so a small business. This expansion would have shifted a large number of people to a single payer system. That puts that pool of business against the one covered by private insurance. The resulting competition would drive down health care costs overall.
But then as bush has shown before, he has a bias in the equation.
It will be compromised between the president and Congress with funding at or above current levels. I was wondering where funding for Healthwave came from. It’s a good, useful program here. But is more necessarily better?
I have a hard time getting excited one way or the other on this. It does seem to be a rather strange place for the president to make a fiscal stand. But on the other hand it doesn’t offend me when that he balks at expanding another government program.
“No jerk off. I was responding to J R who insulted me.
“If he wants a butt whipping, have him call me up and this cripple will mop the floor with him.”
Posted by: Kansas
I am telling ya, this is Kansas’s finest contribution. And in honor of it, and many like it, I nominate him as the honorary WE Blog Eric Cartman Poster. ECP for short. Still laughing and shaking my head at this one… Entertainment this funny should not be free.
I note that the only person using the flame word “cripple” was Kansas himself. That’s projection of perceived persecution.
And how do I call him? He gave no number. It would be…..interesting to put a voice with the….noise.
I wonder. Is aggressive pack behavior an innate liberal characteristic? Because you sure see a lot of it here. Can they not help themselves?
Surely there must be some psychological component at work here. Steven?
“You may be forced to find another scam to support yourself in the manner to which you’ve become accustomed.”
I hear they’re looking for SUV salesmen…
Oh come on Outlander.
We can’t hit the guy with anything he doesn’t hand us.
“And not only that, I’ve never met a Frenchman yet that didn’t smoke like a Chevy Vega, exercise is unknown to them, and they STILL outlive us.”
Posted by capn.
Ahh, my friend, it’s the vino!
“And how do I call him? He gave no number. It would be…..interesting to put a voice with the….noise.”
Posted by JR.
JR, I can truthfully say Kansas (or whatever as I like to refer to him as, due to his propensity towards trolling) is the only blogger here that if he introduced himself to me, I would have to chuckle, turn and walk away.
“…this will treat ILLEGAL ALIENS with no questions or ID asked.”
It will? Have you seen the ID requirements for Ks. Healthwave? No? Let me help you out.
New Verification Requirements:One of these will verify bothcitizenship and identity:U.S. PassportCertificate of NaturalizationCertificate of Citizenship
If you do not have any of the above mentioneddocuments you must provide two forms ofdocumentation, one for citizenship & one for identity.The following provides acceptable options:One of these Citizenship documents:Birth certifi cate or birth recordAdoption records showing place of birthMilitary record
One of these Identity documents:Driver’s licenseFederal, State, or Local IDMilitary IDNative American Tribal Document
One of these will verify the identityof a child under 16 years of age:School IDSchool recordsLicensed or registered daycare documents
Good to see ya J M.
The REAL J M.
Ya know? Not me. I’d wait to see if voices and personalities changed. I’d also have me some plastic sheeting in case of a sudden spittle storm.
So, the neo-trotskyites tried to garner votes with the largess of other folks’ money? I am shocked, shocked I say!
Shrub is an assclown but he got this one right. We need to rid ourselves of uselless eaters and we should not be subsidising them.
Don’t worry about it Outlander. If Libs couldn’t insult someone or something, they simply couldn’t post.
Insult is their high standard as they are unable to come up with any ideas or talk about matters in degrees of substance.
They try, but end up making no sense at all because they don’t check the facts or ignore them completely.
JMKansas?
Substance?
You and I positively mined the depths of your hypocrisy.
This is a heavy thread indeed.
JR???????
I don’t know you. What’s your story?
Outlander,
The victimization schtick, just doesn’t work for you guys, and when you continually try it, it just has to be pretty embarassing for you all.
I think Kansas has invited everything he has received and actually more. So, do I think he is a sorry sad-sack?, yes I do. But has he gained anything by a liberal’s sympathy – I thought you’d be the first to say “No!”
You guys are kind of confusing as to what you want from us. I do trust you, even if I disagree with you most of the time. I wish the same could be true with Mr. Kansas. But alas, I can accept reality as it is.
Druid,
J R is a kid who thinks he knows it all and acts as if he is the Blog Monitor. Instead of getting a job, he blogs all day.
So… Steven. do you have an answer to my question about liberal pack behavior? Or would you have to do a self analysis?
“J R is a kid who thinks he knows it all and acts as if he is the Blog Monitor. Instead of getting a job, he blogs all day.”
Geez, I think the above sounds like the Eric Cartman Poster winner, Kansas – AKA as ECP
Geez, I’m glad Steven Davis isn’t any Mental Health professional I know. He sounds too much like an underachieving, pathetic curmudgeon rapidly approaching total incompetence.
I bet his bosses agree with that assessment.
“Kid” JM?
Uh Thanks. I feel bad for humiliating you.
Yeah uh I’m 42.
Kinda hard to mow lawns, landscape or remodel at night there “Kansas”. You seem to have your own share of free time. Shall I speculate on that?
Oh and blog policeman? Not me. I just take advantage of opportunity.
Thanks, Kansas, Druid is gonna have to keep his eye on this JR character.
“Or would you have to do a self analysis?”
Miguel,
I am disappointed in your cheapness here. If we were to do a bone-dig on your cheap-shots, it would be a full time job.
I, independently, am not thrilled with Kansas’s contributions here. There are many people on your side, and mine, I might add, who oppose my views. It is part of life and I don’t think Kansas is picked on – except to the extent that he invites it. And there have been times when I advise it is best to ignore him. But he will have none of that and then whimpers when he gets his ass kicked.
Give a break – please.
“Geez, I’m glad Steven Davis isn’t any Mental Health professional I know. He sounds too much like an underachieving, pathetic curmudgeon rapidly approaching total incompetence.”
Projection, thy name is Kansas. Thank you. And of course, this clown does not know me, or have any idea what I do for a living. He is a lying POS. Thank you.
Not that he cares. But Outlander’s stock has taken a heavy hit with me here lately as well.
Desperation I guess.
Yeah Steven Davis, like I got my ass-kicked when every one on this blog accused me of switching nics and it turned out to be false.
But that doesn’t stop the conspiracy minded Libs like yourself.
Actually Steven Davis, your comments are boorish and it is quite apparent you are
“trying” to appear intelligent but end up always appearing petty.
The tragedy here is that “kansas” JM has not made acquaintance of mental council. It could help him.
Oh JM?
“kansas”?
In the court of blog opinion, I can PROVE you are a nic switcher.
Don’t push it. Good people who I respect asked me to back off you. Don’t throw that away.
OK children, a cookie for anyone who remembers the blog topic.
Kinda hard to mow lawns, landscape or remodel at night there “Kansas”.
Posted by: J R | October 03, 2007 at 10:56 PM
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Yeah, very hard when you keep at blog schedule like this.
Good night Lawn Boy. Maybe I’ll throw you a bone and have you cut the lawn one day. I have two residences you can cut, but you would have to give up some blog time.
????? How does one manage to qualify for disability when they own two residences? Are folks in Wichita not subject to asset limits for disability?
The grass doesn’t grow when it doesn’t rain JM.
“Lawn boy” is that a perjorative?Since you don’t work, you trash others who do? Just what DO you do JM? I mean beyond picking up your check from the government? I’ve health problems of my own. I don’t exploit and prostitute them as you do. I don’t use them as an excuse for being here or anything else. And YOU? But there are those who need aid more than me so I don’t apply for disability. In a way, that subsidizes you. Thank me.
In a way, I am here out of charity. I’ve many friends who respect me and believe in me. They got me back here because they wanted me here. Can you claim the same?
Ya know? I wish you could. I wish you knew what it was to be wanted and respected. Again, truly you have my pity.
How about that phone number. Maybe I can help?
(plays violin)
Retired Medically and disabled Veteran knutcase. Plus I started investing when I was young. Tucked safely away in Canada and grows quite nicely.
I asked no violin JM.
Glad all of us are playing the one you relax and enjoy.
KansasJM?
If you can play the violin you can handle a saw. But if you can play the viloin you should be in an orchestra.
Why are you on disability?
“Yeah Steven Davis, like I got my ass-kicked every one on this blog accused me of switching nics and it turned out to be false.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 03, 2007 at 11:08 PM
“when every one on this blog …”?Yet another lie by Kansas.
Kansas, do you mean this?
“As per our agreement, I asked Mr. Brownlee to check to see if Kansas’s IP has been used to post any other nics on this thread.
He sent a response back a few minutes ago.
No. “http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread-100.html#comment-84729826
All that proves is that the other nics (and on only that ONE thread) were not posted from the ISP “Kansas” used to post.
Kansas could easily have 2 (or more) ISP’s — one for “Kansas”, the other(s) for other nics.
Cap’n,”And not only that, I’ve never met a Frenchman yet that didn’t smoke like a Chevy Vega, exercise is unknown to them, and they STILL outlive us.”
The flavonids in the wine cancel out the cigarettes and all that sex is aerobic.
Kansas could easily have 2 (or more) ISP’s — one for “Kansas”, the other(s) for other nics.
Posted by: cosmos | October 04, 2007 at 12:21 AM
…and cosmos could be yet another paranoid, conspiracy driven Liberal.
Earlier you wanted to share your phone number JM “kansas”
Will you share it with me now knowing I will forward it to the IRS?
Fleetie,”Bush made the hard choice. It would have been easy to OK it.He knew exactly the gimme gimme heat he would take. He made the right choice.”
And what exactly was it that happened to the government of the people, by the people and for the people? Does King Georgie’s divine right ass cheek allow him to know more than we do what’s right for the country?
“Kansas could easily have 2 (or more) ISP’s — one for “Kansas”, the other(s) for other nics.
Posted by: cosmos | October 04, 2007 at 12:21 AM
…and cosmos could be yet another paranoid, conspiracy driven Liberal.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 04, 2007 at 12:23 AM
But what I ACTUALLY DID is prove that Kansas could have posted on that thread, using other nics.
“I earn money with my Internet business.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 04, 2007 at 12:20 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread-1-2.html#comment-85073128
Does Kansas rely on only ONE ISP provider? If so, that’s very risky, and stupid.
Bush Hates Children; Bush propogates his War; Parents of the children DIE in War; Therefore, Bush hates the troops, because he lets them die and leave their children orphans at home, with inadequate health care… STOP BUSH NOW!! Call your representatives and tell them to OVER-RIDE the Veto!!
When all else fails, the conservatives will resort to LIES and by telling LIES over and over the LIES become the truth. Case in point:1. SCHIP will cover families making $82,000 a year. FACT: it will cover families living in high cost areas like NY that make $82,000 a year IF they have 6 children and IF the state applies to the Federal government for an exemption from the ceiling.2. SCHIP will cover adults 25 years old. It does not. It DID cover college students who don’t work. The new plan does not even do that. You have to be under 18.3. Iraq was responsible for 9-11. Nuff said.
Good Job, Kev… bout time we got those facts straightened out… I was getting tired of seeing the Right Wing keep claiming the $82,000 thing, and the 25 yr. old benefit thing… I KNEW those were false… but couldnt find the links… Thanks!!
George Orwell >>>
War is peace… Freedom is slavery… Ignorance is bliss…=========================
Hmmmm We gotta fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here… WOW….
We have to give up our rights, to make ourselves more FREE…. OK…
Let’s Veto SCHIP… So we can keep our children from getting the health care they need… REALLY DUMB….
Yep Orwell is alive and well at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue…
I thought Kansas stole and later admitted to using JM Walkers Nic about the time he caller XXX and Walker baby killers. then trashed patriot guard while posting as “blank”
I am fundamentally against the expansion of the Schip program. That being said, it seems like a poor program to veto on the principle of fiscal responsibility. Given the penchant for this President, and the Congress, to spend money like drunken sailors.
He also has stated on this blog about how often he changes his ISP. He has admitted using other nics. He jumped on an excuse to cover everything in his past when the email from Phillip Brownlee stated ONLY the ISP the poster Kansas used ON THAT ONE THREAD wasn’t used by any other nic ON THAT ONE THREAD.
I love being a democratic! bush was against schip getting bigger and he vetoed. But we can fire off propoganda stuff like the president is denying kids health care, or he’s letting them die in the street. And no one even questions the logic! Being a democratic is like being given a liar’s license! HAHAHA
I don’t see why we should give insurance to a person who makes $40 per hour.
Fleetwood – if a person is making $40/hr then why isn’t their employer providing health insurance?
Again, if the true facts of this SCHIP bill is like Kev posted, then that person making $82,000/yr would have to have 6 kids to get on the SCHIP program. And then this figure is only for certain regions of the country.
So stop throwing around the $82,000/yr figure and start telling the truth! How many people do you know that has 6 kids? Very few nowadays.
Fleetwood – if a person is making $40/hr then why isn’t their employer providing health insurance?Posted by: maidmarion | October 04, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Small business owner? Self employed?
So stop throwing around the $82,000/yr figure and start telling the truth! How many people do you know that has 6 kids? Very few nowadays. Posted by: maidmarion | October 04, 2007 at 12:16 PM
My cousin makes about that and has six kids. Although he pays for his own insurance out of his own pocket.
Free at last, Freed at last, praise God Almighty, I am free of socialized medicine at last!
God Bless our president.
Thank God for his veto.
I did NOT want to be paying for someone else to NOT have insurance. I did NOT want to be paying for someone else who smokes, drinks, and who knows what all else and ends up in the emergency room.
I did NOT want anymore beggars showing up at the emergency room because it is FREE, instead of going to a regular doctor appointment or clinic.
The poor have their help. We aren’t going to help the lower middle class too.
Get a second job. No. Get a third job. Whatever.
Buy insurance first. Then beg.
All employers should start putting HEALTHCARE PLAN AVAILABLE right on the W2 form.
Let’s see who doesn’t have coverage first.
How old are you Kansas? You sound like you’re at least 80?
But, again, if you would read Kev’s posting – the 82,000 figure is for high cost areas and then the federal government has to agree to it?
BTW – if he has 6 kids, then the man has not been paying income taxes for quite awhile, has he?
With each kid you get so much tax credit and some of those credits are taken off the total tax due. So, if he has 6 kids, the man is paying alot less income tax than the rest of us are.
If I was getting away without paying my current income tax, I could buy my own health insurance also.
Tell me something – does your cousin also use the municipal services that are paid for with our taxpayer money? If so, then he is getting far more than the rest of us taxpayers who are footing the difference between his lack of paying income taxes due to his 6 kids.
First — They CANT put that on the W2 Form… And second, why do you keep insisting that YOu would be paying for somebody else’s Health Insurance??
I swear to God, you people cant READ or LISTEN….
Enjoy your exile into the political wilderness “American way”Eat your money first. Then start with your extremities.
Kansas, that post about your “cousin” is totally off point here… the point is that with SCHIP, he would/should be Eligible if BUSH wouldnt have Vetoed the darn thing… I hope Congress has the cajones to Over Ride!!!
“BTW – if he has 6 kids, then the man has not been paying income taxes for quite awhile, has he?”
Your name should be muddlemarion.Your “logic” (lack of) is astounding.
“why do you keep insisting that YOu would be paying for somebody else’s Health Insurance??”
Then, who would be paying for it.The goverment has no money.
I sure wish I knew why I keep getting an overload of Porno Email whenever I am logged into the WEBlog…. most strange… It doesnt happen when I am not on here…
The government generates no income. They have all our money. They take it, like a thief. Then they spend more than they took, like anyone irresponsible with money.
Some politicians spend it on benefits for business, others on benefits for individuals. Some even want an equitable spread. One thing for sure is that they will spend our money. And lots of it will be spent on themselves – now while they are employees and later when they aren’t.
They’re all set up for life. Why should they give another thought to those not so lucky?
Fleett… Just go try READING the proposed plan that Hillary has put together… it is very clear, and self-explanetory… I am not going to look it up FOR you..
Chas,”We have to give up our rights, to make ourselves more FREE…. OK…”
You’re missing the point entirely- our Fearless Leader said it plain as day; “The terrorists hate us for our freedom.” His removal of our constitutional rights is an attempt to placate the terrorists and eventually win their undying love.
The level of selfishness of Blog posters when it comes to health care for OUR CHILDREN is AMAZING to say the least…
And I still have no idea what Kansas’ “Cousin” income has to do with anything either…
That still makes him nuckin futts, Jed… LOL
“I am not going to look it up FOR you..”
Dear Mr. CAPITAL LETTERS:
Who would pay for the hillary plan?
Kansas, that post about your “cousin” is totally off point here… the point is that with SCHIP, he would/should be Eligible if BUSH wouldnt have Vetoed the darn thing… I hope Congress has the cajones to Over Ride!!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 04, 2007 at 01:04 PM
It’s precisely on point Chas.
My cousin knows how to budget and can afford his own insurance.
He doesn’t need a nanny government to take care of his every need.
Those with their hand perpetually out asking for a freebie or handout when they don’t need invents a new kind of “poor.”
We don’t need to reinvent poor, most thinking people already know what poor is.
Making between 6-7K per month is not classified as poor.
Hey Jed, I can tell you how Bush can get the undying love of those Radical Islamic Extremists… He can take every one of our condemned people on Death Row, out to RFK Stadium, and either Stone them, Hang them, Shoot them, or Behead them in public, with shouts of joy from cheering fans…. THAT’S how he can win their undhying love… And about the ONLY way…
We’ll all pay for it fleetie. Like a good civilized society should.
You practice that geetar now! I want that tip jar good and full when Hillary comes!
Well, given a family of 8 people, as was already pointed out, your Cuz isnt paying much, if any in income tax, by the time he takes off for all of his exemptions, and his other deductions…. So, he can afford that health insurance….
And, by the time he figures in all of his expenses with such a large family, his net income isnt worth a hoot in our economy!!
Chas,Shhhh….Bush might try it!
Jed, I am almost surprised that he hasnt tried it yet… He is such an idiot!! And this last veto on child health care just proves what an SOB he actually is!!
Hey Kansas, that Cuz of yours must be a pretty young fella to still have all six kids at home yet… He must not be anywhere near your age…
Just think how many children might get Left Behind with this Veto of his, if it holds up… And I sure hope it doesnt!!
“by the time he takes off for all of his exemptions, and his other deductions…. So, he can afford that health insurance….”
Only a Lib would think that taking the tax deductions for 6 kids (because you are paying to raise 6 kids) gives you lots of extra money.
Chas, don’t forget to include Tiahrt in that description of bush. He’s still walking lock-step with no good reasons. In fact, that makes him less than bush, but I don’t have adequate words to describe less than bush.
BTW, Fleettie, SCHIP doesnt have ANYTHING to do with Universal Health Care… So, stop trying to pull of one of the oldest RW tricks… Bait and Switch wont work this time…
For those, of you who are castigating others because they do not want Schip expanded I have two questions.1) How many hours do you volunteer to bring health care to those in need?2) How many dollars do you give either directly to individuals in need of health care, or to some 501c3 providing health care?
but I don’t have adequate words to describe less than bush.
Posted by: lindainks55 | October 04, 2007 at 01:28 PM=======================
Linda — Thats why I didnt include Tiahrt… I dont have the words either!! GO GON BETTS!!!
GOD = DON
Chas,Well, he’s currently trying a passive form of child sacrifice.
GON = DON geez… cant find my fingers today!!
Yep I think thats one word for it Jed… These kids that cant afford health care, need to roll over and die, for the Good of the Country, and lest we forget, for the Love of God, too /sarcasm off
And, by the time he figures in all of his expenses with such a large family, his net income isnt worth a hoot in our economy!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 04, 2007 at 01:21 PM
Net income isn’t all that important if you make your income work for you and plan.
He has a 4000 square foot house which he built mostly himself. He raises most of his vegetables and fruits, with the kids help. :)
He does his own home repairs and does most of his minor car maintenance. They read books and rent movies as needed. He’s not much on paying for cable as he considers it a waste of time.
His wife makes their own bread and pastries. They’ve learn to give gifts to each other from the crafts they make. The kids are taught to take care of their clothes so the next child in line can wear them.
It’s all about common sense,work and setting priorities.
That appears to be lacking with the “hand out” crowd.
Sounds just like Santa and the elves up at the North Pole — OR, Good Nite, John Boy!! LOL
Ya know, Kansas… If you had kids and grandkids, you might be singing a different tune, other than that old Scrooge Melody you keep typing in here about poor people… Gee, you sound like Neal Boortz!!
On second thought, you would probably be just that cold to your own kids and grandkids…
And now the sock puppets are showing up from out of nowhere!! Aint life grand??? ROFL!!!
“SCHIP doesnt have ANYTHING to do with Universal Health”
I think it’s called slippery slope.
I’ve come to wonder . . .
Is Bush a Democratic plant, designed to sabatoge the Republican party for years to come? Can anyone willfully be this politically stupid?
;-)
You know Chas, I was raised the way I described. You learn to become self-sufficient and budget when you come from farmers.
It’s too bad you grew up in your own world of “gimme” and “freebie.”
I wasn’t raised that way and neither was my cousin.
Is there no self esteem left in the world?
Everybody wants an instant fix.
If it WAS an instant fix, tht would be one thing… but thats not what SCHIP is all about!!
And, furthermore, YOU dont know HOW I was raised… hand me down clothes… hand made Christmas presents till well into my teen years… YOU wouldnt know about that, because YOU fortunately, dont KNOW WHI I AM, or what my background is… SORRY… you went fishing again!!!
I really don’t give a SCHIP.
All those capital letters are making me dizzy.
I’m so dizzy, my head is spinning. Like a whirlpool it never ends.
Awww aint that too bad, fleetie!! LOL
The sock puppets are out, and its WAY too early… I’m outta here
Quitter.
And it’s you girl making it spin.I’m so dizzy.
“Is Bush a Democratic plant, designed to sabatoge the Republican party for years to come? Can anyone willfully be this politically stupid?”
;-)Posted by: GMC70
Yes he is a plant – one much stupider than most house plants. And yes he will sabatoge your party for the foreseeable future. Mission Accomplished.
When I say he’s as dumb as a bush, I mean it literally!
Family of 8, 1 worker 82,000 gross.
Approximate taxes in Kansas would beabout 16000 including FICA. Leaves about 5500 per month.
Family of 8?
That’s not a vagina, it’s a clown car!
“BTW – if he has 6 kids, then the man has not been paying income taxes for quite awhile, has he?”
Your name should be muddlemarion.Your “logic” (lack of) is astounding.
Posted by: fleettwood
Obviously you do not do tax returns do you? If a person has 6 kids, then they are either paying no income taxes or very little.
My point was, if you could conceivably grasp it, was Kansas was saying that his cousin with 6 kids making 82,000/yr was paying for his own health insurance.
If the man has 6 kids and paying no income taxes or next to nothing income taxes, then he should have alot of money in order to pay for the health insurance. And, yet, this man enjoys all the benefits that we real taxpayers are paying for,.
Now, what part of you stupid do you not understand??? The “u” part?
Family of 8, 1 worker 82,000 gross.
Approximate taxes in Kansas would beabout 16000 including FICA. Leaves about 5500 per month.
Posted by: KnutKase
And what about tax exemptions for those kids? What about tax credits for those kids? The tax rate may be that much on 82,000/yr but the actual income tax paid is much, much less.
Haven’t you people ever heard of a W-4?
Only a Lib would think that taking the tax deductions for 6 kids (because you are paying to raise 6 kids) gives you lots of extra money.
Posted by: fleettwood
I am not a liberal – I am an independent. I am tired of people like Kansas and you who sit and gripe about those bad liberals you claim to be paying for when in reality many Republicans, well to do ones, are the first ones at the government trough getting their entitlement. They just don’t call it welfare – they call it their ‘entitlement’ because they think they are so special.
Fleetie,Hey, don’t knock it; I talked to an anti-abortion mama a couple years back who showed me a picture of her and her 20 (yes, twenty) kids! Took over $1900 a month in food stamps to feed ‘em all.
I am tired of people like Kansas and you who sit and gripe about those bad liberals you claim to be paying for when in reality many Republicans, well to do ones, are the first ones at the government trough getting their entitlement. Posted by: maidmarion | October 04, 2007 at 05:43 PM
So maidmarion, then slap several million veterans in the face who at the government trough.
It’s worthless crap for brains Libs like yourself always trying to find an excuse not to back up their argument with facts.
who at = who are at