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- By Phillip Brownlee
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John Edwards tries to stifle free speech. (typical for leftist)
He is demanding that a student journalist yank her story off of YouTube.
This is the YouTube Video! You Dems make a choice is this warrants a removal from YouTube?
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/7248.html
By JASON DEAREN, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes agoSAN FRANCISCO – Thousands of people called for a swift end to the war in Iraq as they marched through downtown on Saturday, chanting and carrying signs that read: “Wall Street Gets Rich, Iraqis and GIs Die” or “Drop Tuition Not Bombs.”
ADVERTISEMENTThe streets were filled with thousands as labor union members, anti-war activists, clergy and others rallied near City Hall before marching to Dolores Park.
As part of the demonstration, protesters fell on Market Street as part of a “die in” to commemorate the thousands of American soldiers and Iraqi citizens who have died since the conflict began in March 2003.
The protest was the largest in a series of war protests taking place in New York, Los Angeles and other U.S. cities, organizers said.
No official head count was available. Organizers of the event estimated about 30,000 people participated in San Francisco. It appeared that more than 10,000 people attended the march.
“I got the sense that many people were at a demonstration for the first time,” said Sarah Sloan, one of the event’s organizers. “That’s something that’s really changed. People have realized the right thing to do is to take to the streets.”
In the shadow of the National Constitution Center and Independence Hall in Philadelphia, a few hundred protesters ranging from grade school-aged children to senior citizens called on President Bush to end funding for the war and bring troops home.
Marchers who braved severe wet weather during the walk of more than 30 blocks were met by people lining the sidewalks and clutching a long yellow ribbon over the final blocks before Independence Mall. There, the rally opened with songs and prayers by descendants of Lenape Indians.
“Our signs are limp from the rain and the ground is soggy, but out spirits are high,” said Bal Pinguel, of the American Friends Service Committee, one of the national sponsors of the event. “The high price we are paying is the more than 3,800 troops who have been killed in the war in Iraq.”
Vince Robbins, 51, of Mount Holly, N.J., said there needed to be more rallies and more outrage.
“Where’s the outcry? Where’s the horror that almost 4,000 Americans have died in a foreign country that we invaded?” Robbins said. “I’m almost as angry at the American people as I am the president. I think Americans have become apathetic and placid about the whole thing.”
In New York, among the thousands marching down Broadway was a man carrying cardboard peace doves. Some others dressed as prisoners, wearing the bright orange garb of Guantanamo Bay inmates and pushing a person in a cage.
Chicago police said about 5,000 people marched through city streets to protest the war.
Police spokeswoman JoAnn Taylor said three protesters were arrested before the march started. They face charges including resisting arrest, failure to obey a police officer, criminal damage to property and aggravated battery to a police officer.
In Seattle, thousands of marchers were led by a small group of Iraq war veterans.
At Occidental Park, where the protesters rallied after the march, the American Friends Service Committee displayed scores of combat boots, one pair for each U.S. solider killed in Iraq.
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Associated Press writer Bob Lentz in Philadelphia contributed to this report.
Neocon Republican approval of media monopolies DOES stifle free speech!
Where’s the outrage from all you boozeheads when 17,000 plus people die each year from drunk drivers?
Let’s raise the tax on booze 10 fold and use the revenues for a worthy cause.
Want to put that in perspective? that’s 68,000 Americans dead since the Iraq war started because of drunk drivers.
Of course you know, it’s not political enough for the Leftist Libs. It’s no fun to make parades about drunk drivers and call the President names over drunk drivers.
Libs can’t get enough attention by burning a flag against drunk drivers.
By the time I finished this post, 93 more Americans will have died from drunk drivers. The Libs don’t care, they would rather mock the death of brave military men and women, shout out the President’s name in protest because it makes them “feel good” and important.
If the Libs cared about preventing death, here’s a chance. Stop drunk drivers – protest it – let it be known.
Oh, did i forget to mention smoking deaths per year in the U.S.
It’s 400,000 per year.
If Libs want something to protest, go with the big numbers.
But they won’t, it’s not “political” enough for them and they can’t get on camera. Their ideology is more important than life.
sad
John Edwards tries to stifle free speech. (typical for leftist)
He is demanding that a student journalist yank her story off of YouTube.
This is the YouTube Video! You Dems make a choice is this warrants a removal from YouTube? Posted by: Joe Williams | October 28, 2007 at 03:31 AM
———————————” the student had not disclosed the angle of the story and had asked for access to do a feature on a student who was interning for the campaign.”
If this is true than of course Edwards has every right to ask that the video be pulled. This is clearly a hit piece.
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Edwards camp asked to pull student story
By MIKE BAKER, Associated Press Writer Sun Oct 28, 3:04 AM ET
RALEIGH, N.C. – A University of North Carolina professor said Friday that John Edwards’ campaign demanded that he pull a student reporter’s television story that focused on the upscale location of the campaign’s headquarters.C.A. “Charlie” Tuggle, an associate professor at the school, said the Edwards campaign contacted the reporter, second-year master’s degree student Carla Babb, asking for a video of her report to be removed from the Internet. When that failed, the campaign demanded in three calls to Tuggle that the TV story be killed, he said.
Tuggle said the campaign had complained that the reporter misrepresented the story she planned to do. He also said the Edwards campaign warned that relations with the school could be jeopardized.
The Edwards campaign had no comment on the professor’s specific contentions. More generally, spokeswoman Colleen Murray said: “This is silly. We love all reporters, the problem is the feeling isn’t always mutual.”
The TV story is to air Monday on the program “Carolina Week” in Chapel Hill. It was first posted on YouTube for an MTV contest and drew only a couple of hundred hits during the first days on the site.
The Edwards campaign complained to Tuggle, he said, that the student had not disclosed the angle of the story and had asked for access to do a feature on a student who was interning for the campaign.
In the report, Babb interviews students, one on the campaign, one not. She asks whether it is appropriate for Edwards to base his operations in his affluent hometown of Chapel Hill, home of the university, as opposed to a location that would better reflect his campaign platform of fighting poverty.
After quoting the students, Babb concludes her report by saying, “It’s ultimately up to the voters to decide if running a presidential campaign here was a smart move politically. But it’s safe to say, in Chapel Hill, opinions are split. ”
In an interview Friday, Babb said: “I was completely shocked to get a phone call from the Edwards campaign saying that the story was straight from the Republican Party and that we needed to take it down.”
She said she wanted to do a story about student opinions about Edwards’ headquarters near campus in Chapel Hill’s Southern Village.
Tuggle is the news director of “Carolina Week” and the broadcast professor who advises students for the newscast.
“Was it what the campaign was expecting it to be? No,” Tuggle said. “But I don’t know that we’re obligated as journalists to tell that the focus of a story has changed.”
Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, graduated with a law degree from the university and helped develop and operate a poverty center there after the 2004 election.
I don’t follow Joe Williams links.
Kansas, I think Liberal can protest anything they want. If the fact that they choose to protest the occupation of Iraq upsets you, too bad. I think this still is a free country.
Wind Power and Ag (farming the wind)
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/farming-the-wind-wind-power-and-agriculture.html
I see the trollboy is out bright and early this fine Sunday morning!
Kansas, I think Liberal can protest anything they want. If the fact that they choose to protest the occupation of Iraq upsets you, too bad. I think this still is a free country.
Posted by: ???????????? | October 28, 2007 at 06:13 AM
No kidding, they can protest what they like.
But it also gives an inner glimpse into the mind of Libs who are more upset about 4,000 deaths in Iraq than 68,000 deaths due to drunk drive in the same time period. Or how about 1,6 million deaths from smoking.
Ideological protest is as much about ego as it is politics.
It’s not politically expedient for the Libs to take up the cause which causes more deaths.
This says volumes about the mindset of the Lib.
Joe perhaps there should be a follow-up report of the cost effectiveness of run a campaign from Washington D.C. and running one from Chapel hill? I have not been to D.C. since my early teens, but even in the early seventies I remember my aunt complaining because a dozen eggs cost $2.00 a carton. As for the demand to pull the piece, I notice campaigns at times get reactionary to what they perceive as a negative piece then after words realize that it is a “nothing” thing. Does it make any real different where Edwards runs his campaign in the grand scene of things? I do not think so and it more falls into the category of “If you can not find something real to criticize for. There is always the “He kicks his dog too!” Claim”.
Dying from smoking and drinking is because of a choice the individual makes —- dying in a war of some one else’s making is some one else’s choice for you — huge difference is the gop / neocons don’t care about either
“But it also gives an inner glimpse into the mind of Libs who are more upset about 4,000 deaths in Iraq than 68,000 deaths due to drunk drive in the same time period. Or how about 1,6 million deaths from smoking.”Posted by: Kansas | October 28, 2007 at 06:42 AM
This gives me an inner glimpse into your mind that you can’t be bother to know the correct number of military deaths in Iraq. 3,839, you have no credibility here.
……………..and the troll gets skewered once again!
Kansas, You made a couple of good points about alcohol and tobacco until you tried to make a partisan issue of it.
John Edwards tries to stifle free speech. (typical for leftist)
Posted by: Joe Williams | October 28, 2007 at 03:31 AM
Considering how muck importance Liberals seem to attach to the constitution, They do seem to have an annoying habit of trying to stifle speech they don’t agree with. One need look no further than this blog to see the evidence.
The homeland security chief on Saturday lashed into his own employees for staging a phony news conference at the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
“I think it was one of the dumbest and most inappropriate things I’ve seen since I’ve been in government,” Michael Chertoff said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305678,00.html
This is a shame considering the progress FEMA has made since Katrina. The California wildfires have been a smashing success for Fema.
Writerdog, I think you have a lot in common with this author. While I don’t share his views on candidate choice, I think this is very well written and should be of interest to those who feel like the republican party left them.
http://kansasprairie.net/kansasprairieblog/
Well, this is interesting. Just at the time we start worrying about outsourcing mfg jobs overseas, we are adopting policies that ensure our FOOD SUPPLY will also be outsourced overseas. Why? Labor shortage. I found, on the second page of this, some interesting observations that raising the wages wont solve the problem. We simply don’t have enough warm bodies to do the jobs. I wonder how many immigration opponents would do this work at ANY wage?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21491778/
Hee hee hee.
And I am just HOWLING about the whiners who say canceling the permit of the coal fired power plant is a BLOW to “economic development” in western Kansas.
WTF? About a hundred permanent jobs is what goes for a “boon” today in the west? I think that shows just how dire the situation in western Kansas has become. They’d sell their souls, their water, and the future of their kids for 100 permanent jobs?
Hehehehe. hayshasjobs.com says they have about 400 OPEN jobs in Hays at all times. Good paying jobs, or so they say.
And they cant fill them. Why? Not enough warm bodies.
And why is that? Perhaps because, unless you are a cow or a prairie dog or an evangelical republican water sucking irrigator, this is a shithole to live in.
Hays cant fill 400 jobs and now Garden City et al are whining about the loss of 100 PERMANENT jobs?
heheheheh. You all in western Kansas are “screwn” without water and people.
The very TWO things western kansas doesnt give a rat’s ass about.
But please, keep whining about those 100 jobs.
The people to fill them are now living in Wichita and Joco.
Or mexico…
OH and as for wind power being the economic panacea for western Kansas? Do you know how many PERMANENT jobs are created by wind farms?
Hehehehe. The one that HAYS DEFEATED, (hyporcisy, thy name is…) would have created… wait for it….
About TWENTY or THIRTY permanent jobs. And some payments for landowners, whether they live there or not.
Heheheh> Yes. Please. Go for those “wind” jobs as economic development. Go for those payments to out of state and big irrigation landowners.
If that’s what YOU call real economic development, I have some beachfront property near Ransom that I’d like to sell you…
Dontchya just love it that the folks in Hays FOUGHT wind development nearby with both tooth and nail.
But they never met a coal fired plant OUTSIDE their community they didnt love.
Like I said, hypocrisy, thy name is….
http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/005296.html
In way of a counterpoint to kfg’s post, an article by someone who woke up to what the Democrat party stands for.
Hi Monkeyhawk,
Your conventional view of Rooseleft is not shared by everyone. Here’s a little writing by Thomas Sowell:
The grand myth for decades was that Hoover was unwilling to use the powers of government to come to the aid of the people during the Great Depression but that Roosevelt was more caring and did. In reality, both presidents represented a major break with the past by casting the federal government in the role of rescuer of the economy in its distress.
Scholarly studies of the history of these two administrations have in recent years come to see FDR’s New Deal as Herbert Hoover’s policies writ large and in bolder strokes.
Those who judge by intentions may say that this was a good thing. But those who judge by results point out that none of the previous depressions — during which the federal government essentially did nothing — lasted anywhere near as long as the depression in which the federal government decided that it had to “do something.”
John Edwards plans big for his presidency. He says: Sacrifice must be priority, too!Listen to what this complete socialist wants to do if President:John Edwards says if he’s elected president, he’ll institute a New Deal-like suite of programs to fight poverty and stem growing wealth disparity. To do it, he said, he’ll ask many Americans to make sacrifices, like paying higher taxes.He claims says the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should underwrite universal pre-kindergarten, create matching savings accounts for low-income people, and mandate a high minimum wage, provide new Section 8 housing vouchers for the poor. He also pledged to start a government-funded public higher education program called “College for EVERYONE”. And oh yeah, free universal health care for all.Isn’t this just the guy for me! I can just sit back on my Section 8 government provided porch enjoying a 12 pack, or three, watching those dirty rich people squeal and bleed their incomes off to me. My kids and grand-kids will be getting a free education on those same greedy rich and they’ll be putting money in my very own savings account, whatever that is. What a country!!!
I really hope these archives are around for a long time. Because ten years from now, I want you all to mark my words about labor shortages.
And mark this too. JOBS FOLLOW PEOPLE. People dont follow jobs. Richard Florida and all.
If western Kansas worked harder to make this place PEOPLE friendly, the jobs would follow an increased population.
But now? How is that “making western Kansas POLLUTION friendly” thing working out for you on job creation and population retention?
Hint. People wont live where there is no water, and the little water to be found is dedicated to irrigation, ethanol, and polluting power plants.
Oh yeah. Judging by your success, you western Kansas economic development gurus are REALLY doing a good job.
How about doing something DIFFERENT and EFFECTIVE instead of just doing the things that DONT work harder and faster?
Western Kansas. No longer the bread basket to the world. Our future is clear. WE can only be the DUMPING ground for the world.
hee hee hee! They LOVE to fight over the scraps out here instead of killing something worth eating….
“left blank on purpose” –
Yeah, the Great Depression lasted longer in spite of New Deal programs. And there’s certainly a case to be made that the only thing that revived America’s economy was World War II.
But you ignore that the 1929 stock market crash impacted far more people than an previous financial “panic.” Joe Kennedy took all of his money out of the stock market in September of ‘29 after he heard an elevator boy offering stock tips. If the “little people” were in the market, Kennedy thought, the market is out of control.
Before the 20s, the stock market was almost exclusively an arena for the super-rich. Hell yes, they could take the impact of market crashes, financial panics, and depressions. But with the introduction of margin-buying in the 20s, even elevator operators were in the market. And the crash hit harder and deeper into the American economy.
That’s why the Great Depression lasted longer than previous depressions. That’s why it’s called the *Great* Depression.
From October, 1929, under Hoover, things got worse for most Americans. 1930 was worse than 1929. 1931 was worse than 1930. 1932 was worse than 1932.
But once FDR took office in March of 1933, things got better. And 1934 was better than 1933. 1935 was better than 1934.
Talk to the people who lived through that era. Maybe it was the NRA or the CCC or the WPA or maybe it was simply the power of FDR’s faith in the American spirit. But no rational historian can dismiss the power of Roosevelt’s leadership.
The options at the time, during the election of 1932, could very well have gone the way of communism or fascism. Roosevelt opted for representative democracy. And that’s why America still exists.
… and dont forget the role isolationism played in creating and sustaining the Great Depression.
“The options at the time, during the election of 1932, could very well have gone the way of communism or fascism. Roosevelt opted for representative democracy. And that’s why America still exists.”
And that is why Prescott Bush and his cronies formed an organization to overthrow the American government.
Remember, the Bush family ENABLED the Nazis and did business with them without remorse.
Perhaps they LIKE facism?
Well, you only have to look at the grandson to see that the sins of the fathers are being visited now on the american people.
The bush crime family never met a facist they wouldnt do business with.
Bin Laden family anyone?
Without FDR the United States would today look a great deal more like Mexico does.
Kansas,
I take it you are making deaths from drunken drivers and those from cigarette smokers causes you will work to prevent. Working toward preventing death from any cause seems to me a worthy endeavor! I congratulate you on your worthwhile work!
How is making disparaging comments about working to prevent deaths from another cause advancing your work? It’s a tactic I’ve never seen employed. So, if you downgrade another’s work that makes yours more successful, more worthwhile?
The President can DO something about the deaths of soldiers in Iraq. That is worthy of a protest.
Deaths from smoking and alcohol related traffic deaths are beyond the control of the Commander in Chief.
If Kansas would stay on point for a change, he might be able to keep up here.
Thank you KFG and Outlander for the links, both arguing for the different reasons people switch parties.I myself have entertained the thought of switching to Independent those such alliance is seems to be more a veiled mask for those wanting to not be called Republican. I have read very little from Independent that seems more left leaning the extreme right. Yes personal experience does play into one’s choice of party, though KFG link presented a more rational argument for becoming a Democrat and Outlander’s more an emotional argument for becoming a Republican.
At times I think it was better before getting cable, being able to watch Cspan and the like makes me feel like a plague of both your house. Watching the debate on SCHIP got to be torture, between the Republicans doing what can be seen as an adult version of stomping their feet and whining. And the Democrats instead of addressing the few points from the other side of the aisle that they were brought up that can be legitimate concerns with the bill. They simple kept repeating the same mantra about it is for the kids and comparing the cost to the cost of Iraq. Neither engaged in a real discussion of the issue, but more an emotional argument on both sides.
Yes I worry about the party, I had all but forgot about the state level “allegiance pledge” of the Kansas GOP. I see instead of logical, informed and rational thoughts being put out by the party. They are engaging in mindless name calling and answering every question or concern with platitudes and cliques. When confronted with a legitimate issue, the answer is to attack the questioner and their motives. That is on the same level of saying “Oh yeah well you stink!”. Its hard to claim that you are the intelligent, rational, logical and mature party when you answer the problems with “dicky poop head!”.
So why not switch to the Democratic party? Basically because the Democrats though their react perhaps in a more mature manner. They too seem to react more with emotion then logic too, Iraq is a real concern, the worst mistake this country has EVER made in its entire history. But they seem more interested in not taking the blame for ending the mistake then the credit for ending it. Thus prolonging the mistake and getting more soldiers killed in the process. And farther damaging the image and creditability of the United States. Shouting the “Me-Me” of they do not have the magic “60” so they can not get anything passed. Of course that works also the other way, the majority could refuse to pass any funding. Refuse to authorize any extra spending outside the presented normal bill for military expenditures. That would not de-fund the war but limit Bush on his spending on the war. Not allowing the trick of being able to say “oh we are only spending this!”. If asked how much is being asked for, Bush can say “I only asked for this…” What is short of the emergency spending and therefore making him sound Fiscally responsible.
True these are hard times and that being the case in need of hard answers. Neither party seems willing to be adults about it.
Goodness… I see we are ready to battle today, wish I could jion but homework calls my name… DRAT!
Are we switching from Daylight Saving Time to “standard time” this year or not?
I thought I heard that 2007 would be the year that Daylight Saving Time becomes standard time and we stop springing forward and falling back . . .
Changes to Daylight Savings Time for 2007 — starts earlier and ends later.
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/dst_topissues
Next weekend Cap’n.
Ah, okay.
Thanks, all.
Wichita’s evangelicals are featured prominently in an enormously important NYT article (I can’t believe y’all aren’t talking about this nonstop yet).
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/magazine/28Evangelicals-t.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5087&em&en=5b6318ccb514f1c9&ex=1193716800—————————”So when Fox announced to his flock one Sunday in August last year that it was his final appearance in the pulpit, the news startled evangelical activists from Atlanta to Grand Rapids. Fox told the congregation that he was quitting so he could work full time on “cultural issues.” Within days, The Wichita Eagle reported that Fox left under pressure. The board of deacons had told him that his activism was getting in the way of the Gospel. “It just wasn’t pertinent,” Associate Pastor Gayle Tenbrook later told me.
Fox, who is 47, said he saw some impatient shuffling in the pews, but he was stunned that the church’s lay leaders had turned on him. “They said they were tired of hearing about abortion 52 weeks a year, hearing about all this political stuff!” he told me on a recent Sunday afternoon. “And these were deacons of the church!”
[...]
Fox told me: “I think the religious community is probably reflective of the rest of the nation — it is very divided right now. This election process is going to reveal a lot about where the religious right and the religious community is. It will show unity or the lack of it.”
But liberals, he said, should not start gloating. “Some might compare the religious right to a snake,” he said. “We may be in our hole right now, but we can come out and bite you at any time.”—————————-
LOL
I have no doubt at all that Terry Fox is an expert on snake behavior.
Is that the same Terry Fox who said he couldn’t focus on the church issues but opened up a church in a theme park? Or is that the same Terry Fox who was ousted from Immanuel Baptist because he was stealing church funds to pay for his radio show? Perhaps it’s the same Terry Fox who had tens of thousands to throw into a failed theme park but still has no money to pay his property taxes for the past three years?
Yes, yes, and yes, Doug! One and the same.
There are least a half dozen past, current, and emerging leaders featured in this 10 page article. Plus a sweet shot of somebody’s bumper with a Sedgwick County RKQ license plate (the second half of the license number isn’t in the shot). And oh yeah, that’s a bunch of bumper stickers.
I bet this article has bee featured heavily in church discussions, formal and informal, throughout Wichita all morning.
I’m pretty sure the Eagle got scooped big time on this one.
Sorry, meant to say that the half dozen evangelical leaders featured in the article are all Wichitans.
How is making disparaging comments about working to prevent deaths from another cause advancing your work? It’s a tactic I’ve never seen employed. So, if you downgrade another’s work that makes yours more successful, more worthwhile?
Posted by: lindainks55 | October 28, 2007 at 11:12 AM
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So lindainks55, the Left on this Blog and other places are allowed to make disparaging remarks about me and others of my mind? They can say because we support our military 100 percent we are some sort of scum sucking low life? Is that about it?
========================The President can DO something about the deaths of soldiers in Iraq. That is worthy of a protest.
Deaths from smoking and alcohol related traffic deaths are beyond the control of the Commander in Chief. Posted by: sugar | October 28, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Really sugar?
This would be news to me on how our government works.
Ever hear of Executive Office sponsored legislation?
Besides, as I recall the Democrats, which includes the radical Left in Congress voted for funding initially and since then for the Iraqi Freedom funding as outlined by President Clinton since 1998.
You do know that is the Congress passed authorization used to end the Saddam Hussein regime don’t you?
They can say because we support our military 100 percent we are some sort of scum sucking low life? Is that about it?Posted by: Kansas | October 28, 2007 at 02:04 PM
LOL
In your case, the evidence we’ve all been treated to is that you do love you some butt sucking IF the butt is attached to a GOP leader (as long as he’s authoritarian enough, that is).
And of course it goes without saying that Augustus Stupidus is pretty scummy.
So in your case it’s pretty easy to conclude that you’re a scum sucking..what, toady I guess.
No need to drag the military into yer frickin drama (how low yer life is, etc.), I think we can spare ‘em that.
LOL
Kansas
I’ve never called anyone “some sort of scum sucking low life,” nor have I ever made disparaging comments about you. When you bring such language into any discussion instead of answering a direct question maybe that’s why someone may choose to think poorly of you or behave the way you say some did.
I don’t choose to communicate with ANYONE who uses those tactics and can see it was a mistake to communicate with you.
A mistake I won’t repeat!
I don’t choose to communicate with ANYONE who uses those tactics and can see it was a mistake to communicate with you.
A mistake I won’t repeat!
Posted by: lindainks55 | October 28, 2007 at 03:01 PM
Oh my! I used “scum-sucking!”
You Lib buddies can use every ad hominem and profanity in the book and that’s okay with you.
I see…
You wanted an excuse lindainks55 and you found it.
Which also shows your hypocrisy stance on blaming me for words you don’t agree with and then remain silent on the personal attacks done by your Libs friends.
You will forever be known as a hypocrite, but everyone already knew that.
Bush has really whipped those Middle East gov’ts into shape, hasn’t he?
*****
USS Cole plotter freed by Yemen
USS Cole plotter freed by Yemen
A Yemeni man convicted of plotting and taking part in the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000 is to be freed from jail.
Jamal al-Badawi will be kept under effective house arrest after pledging allegiance to Yemen’s president.
Badawi was sentenced to death in 2004 for his role in the bombing, but escaped from jail early in 2006. He handed himself in two weeks ago.
The US, which lost 17 sailors in the attack on the Cole, has criticised the decision not to send him back to jail.
A spokesman for the US National Security Council described Yemen’s move as “deeply disappointing”.
“This action is inconsistent with a deepening of our bilateral counter-terrorism co-operation. We have communicated our displeasure to Yemeni officials,” he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7065074.stm
*****
And in another humiliating failure for the Bush administration, Donald Rumsfailed cut a breakfast meeting short in Paris and fled France to escape an impending arrest for overseeing torture.
Coward.
Speaking of hypocrites, look what crawled in for a comment – the Capn.
You might well imagine that a sniper or a “predator” has its eyes on the released prisoner and his days will be numbered.
Funny how the Capn denotes failure when commenting on the actions of another country. It appears that everything that happens through out the World that goes wrong is Bushes fault.
Simply amazing the power attributed to Bush.
Le petite dejune was tres petite, hehehe . . .
Kansas – you might have a point in that the US has limited ability to influence Yemen or any other state in the region. Unfortuntely, US influence in the region has been severely deminished by Bush’s actions invading Iraq. That has made the US very easy for states and groups to oppose in the Middle East. We have turned countries that once were allies (Jordan, Lebanon for example) into enemies.
Le porc se mange avec ses mots
We have turned countries that once were allies (Jordan, Lebanon for example) into enemies.
Posted by: Ben | October 28, 2007 at 03:32 PM
So you are saying that Yemen, a known provider of Al Qaeda recruits was always an ally of the United States and the release is unexpected?
Yes. the Yemeni government had been attempting to control their ‘hinterlands’ and had been cooperating with the US. Unfortunately we have lost that just as we are in danger of losing Pakistan.
Yes. the Yemeni government had been attempting to control their ‘hinterlands’ and had been cooperating with the US. Unfortunately we have lost that just as we are in danger of losing Pakistan.
Posted by: Ben | October 28, 2007 at 04:00 PM
Attempt is the key word there and reality is something all together different.
I find the assertion lacking in both definition and depth.
OK, lets try this. Does the existence o Tim McVeigh make the US a terrorist state? The shoe bomber? NO country fully controls its territory. And weak governments have even more difficulty trying.
It is impossible to carry on a reasonable discussion with a Republican obcessed spin meister, who attempts French
Kansas, no wonder there is a boycott of this Blog — Nobody can have reasonable discussion without your self-proclaimed expertise thrown into any discussion, even when you are just plain wrong, wrong, wrong — which is most of the time!!
Kansas, no wonder there is a boycott of this Blog — Nobody can have reasonable discussion without your self-proclaimed expertise thrown into any discussion, even when you are just plain wrong, wrong, wrong — which is most of the time!!
Posted by: sugar | October 28, 2007 at 04:15 PM
Shut up sugar, you add nothing to the conversation by your constant evaluation of others whose opinion you disagree with.
If you don’t like my opinion, then say so.
Stop trying to make this personal and personal attacks.
When i give my opinion, it is an opinion – accept it, ignore it, counter it – or agree with it. I don’t care.
No one needs your assessment sugar and quite frankly, it’s more harmful than what I ever did.
OK, lets try this. Does the existence o Tim McVeigh make the US a terrorist state? The shoe bomber? NO country fully controls its territory. And weak governments have even more difficulty trying.
Posted by: Ben | October 28, 2007 at 04:07 PM
It makes the United States a producer of homegrown terrorists that inflict harm on their own.
So are you saying that Yemen should be let off the hook administering justice to a convicted murderer of American lives?
Kansas – I never said that; and you know I never said that. Try reading my words again.
“Badawi was sentenced to death in 2004 for his role in the bombing,”
Hardly “letting him off the hook” kansas. Unfortunately; now, after we have further alienated the Middle east, they ARE letting him off the hook.
Guys… why are we at war?
OK, lets try this. Does the existence o Tim McVeigh make the US a terrorist state? The shoe bomber? NO country fully controls its territory. And weak governments have even more difficulty trying.
Posted by: Ben | October 28, 2007 at 04:07 PM
OK, lets try this. Does the existence o Tim McVeigh make the US a terrorist state?
Of course not. But then again we are talking about a domestic terrorist and a terrorist who commits an act of war against a sovereign state (the Cole Attack)
====================The shoe bomber? Posted by: Ben | October 28, 2007 at 04:07 PM
The shoe bomber is from a sovereign state acting independently trying to commit International terrorism aboard an International flight. He should be tried and convicted by the country where the airline originated.
—————–NO country fully controls its territory. And weak governments have even more difficulty trying.Posted by: Ben | October 28, 2007 at 04:07 PM
I fail to see what this has to do with Yemen releasing a mass murderer.
The crime was conducted in the waters of Yemen. The person conducting the crime was captured, convicted of murder and sentenced. The full sentence was death and was not carried out.
I don’t see any gray areas here.
Hardly “letting him off the hook” kansas. Unfortunately; now, after we have further alienated the Middle east, they ARE letting him off the hook.
Posted by: Ben | October 28, 2007 at 04:46 PM
Which goes back to original argument, why blame this on Bush when a country releases a murderer.
The fact that the person was convicted a murderer does not change the consequences or conviction of his crime. The fact that Yemen might be pissed at the U.S. doesn’t overturn a conviction of a crime.
I don’t know where you are coming from.
If emotion was attached to every decision, if Texas lost a game to Oklahoma in football, should they release all prisoners held in Texas convicted of capital crimes, just because they are pissed?
I don’t think so.
Funny saying Kansas: “If emotion was attached to every decision, if Texas lost a game to Oklahoma in football, should they release all prisoners held in Texas convicted of capital crimes, just because they are pissed?”
I like that one! HAHAHAHA
kansas – as a result of Bush’s deliberate acations US influence in countries like Yemen has waned. Therefore we have less influence than we used to. So, while he had been sentenced to death he now gets better terms than he would have if the US had any influence.
Does that make it clear kansas? Less influence means we are less able to effect their actions.
Does that make it clear kansas? Less influence means we are less able to effect their actions.
Posted by: Ben | October 28, 2007 at 04:55 PM
It still doesn’t make it right and the morally bankrupt decisions made by another country are not Bush’s fault. To blame the President on the moral degradation of a country is not only faulty logic, it is an endorsement that emotion should trump justice.
Of course, it is reality and since we have no control over Yemen, it is a stark reality.
I could say that Osama Bin Laden being free is the fault of Clinton and the administration because they didn’t take him out when they had the chance.
Therefore, the Afghanistan and Iraqi war are the fault of Clinton.
I don’t get anywhere with that argument as not all consequences logically fall after the other.
However Ben, it appears you are saying without qualification that all consequences follow another even though the absence of apparent influence over a country is the fault of a leader in another country. And, that lack of influence means that all moral standards should be dropped when the country (Yemen) agrees to International law on the conviction of terrorists.
So, in other words Ben, one can change their mind on criminal matters on just how they feel that particular day?
Is that your stance?
Re Kansas,
Do not feed the dumb troll.
“And when I do, I will be packing iron. That’s right. Carrying and concealed.”
Real cute Capn America. I suppose you are announcing your arrival back. You remind me of JR with your silly pronouncements.
Save the world, eh?
Guys… why are we at war?
Posted by: awinters | October 28, 2007 at 04:49 PM
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Ask Kansas — He thinks he has all the answers to everything – Just ask him, and he will tell you!
Guys… why are we at war?
Posted by: awinters | October 28, 2007 at 04:49 PM
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Ask Kansas — He thinks he has all the answers to everything – Just ask him, and he will tell you!
Not the respond I was looking for…
Sure thing sugar, here’s an answer for you.
The reason why you double post is that you double click on the “submit” button.
Just because there is server lag or lag on your end due to Internet connection, is no reason to panic and do multiple “submit” button clicking.
It only takes one click and any subsequent click after the initial may result in multiple postings.
Funny Kansas… You crack me up! HAHAHAHA
Off to dinner…
Why are we at war?
Let me try to be fair.
We are at war because the president wanted us, and congress approved it.
That’s just the mechanic’s though and not really the why.
“I died. But I am now scheduled to return.
And when I do, I will be packing iron. That’s right. Carrying and concealed.”
Actually, I think the holster will be pretty obvious.
And you won’t be Steve Rogers anymore either.
Please don’t be that loser Mack Bolan rip off Frank Castle.
Um… maybe I should ask it a differnt way?
Why is there war in other countries, but nobody will start a war with America?
Aren’t we a country that needs to be attacked? We have it all and yet you don’t see any countries coming over here to steal our goods?
awinters. How was dinner? Probably one of the last nice nights out. We ate on the deck and enjoyed it. Cooled off quickly with sun going down.
Anyway, is your question a trick question. What are you leading to?
Gotta be suspicious around here.
1. I thought we were attacked? 911, anthrax, embassy bombings??I doubt you will ever see the old fashioned traditional amphibious landing D-Day invasion of America in our life times. Too expensive. YOu get more bang with a jetliner.
2. Have it all? We are a debtor nation. We import more than we export. Our natural resources are running out, and those we still have the libs/tree huggers won’t let us exploit. Since NAFTA, we have slowly been loosing our factory producing jobs and industry. We now are a service industry.
3. We are about to convert to socialism on a grand scale with Hillary and her three new entitlement programs (and this is before she is even in office).
4. Steal our goods? All they have to do is stop the ships at the ports as they are LEAVING their countries bound for America.
thanks american way, don’t know who you are… anyway first I was wondering why we were fighting on this blog, but yes… I don’t understand why other countries don’t attack us… We can go into Iraq and Afganistan and do our stuff… but no countries come here… as for 9/11 that wasn’t the “attack” I’m talking about… I’m talking WWII, though not that crazy?
Aren’t we a country that needs to be attacked? We have it all and yet you don’t see any countries coming over here to steal our goods?
Posted by: awinters | October 28, 2007 at 06:25 PM
Are you hoping America is attacked? Or do you think we deserve to be attacked?
Germany had plans for invading the US after conquering Europe.
The USA sorta screwed up their game plan a little by attacking them over there, instead of waiting for them to attack us here.
Sound familiar?
One of the Sunday Morning news shows said this morning there were two things that would hurt the Democrats in the next election:
1. The Iraq war goes well and conditions continue to improve.
2. The US is attacked by terrorists again.
Why would this be bad for Democrats?
Doesn’t all of the US hope #1 happens, and #2 doesn’t happen?
There is not a conventional force in the world that would attack the U.S.
They know in a matter of days, they would be reduced to a mass of flaming metal and mass casualties.
The U.S. is so huge in land mass, it would years if not decades to conquer it. No country or organization has the resources to do that.
Kansas, I know how NOT to double click on the blog… It sends me to a page that says it cant find the right place, and then I click it, to post, and it double posts. You are not talking to somebody who is computer illiterate! Grow UP man!!
The U.S. is so huge in land mass, it would years if not decades to conquer it. No country or organization has the resources to do that.
Posted by: Kansas | October 28, 2007 at 06:57 PM
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If THAT is true, all of the whining about national security is a big hoax!!
The series “24″ has already told every terrorist group in the world how to bring down the USA!! And nobody says they are violating our security, or trying to help the enemy!! Only if the NYT prints something – then the Reich Wing gets all excited!!
Too funny!!
What about North Korea and the nuclear bomb, we did it to Japan?
And, I might point out, Rush Limbaugh is a huge fan of “24″ and claims to have friends who are producers, and actors on the show!
Of course, Limbaugh lies a lot.
You overestimate the will of the American people Kansas.
If terrorists nuke San Francisco and NYC at the same time, there would be utter chaos and panic in America.
Look what happened in New Orleans and the impact one hurricane had.
Americans would panic, and under further blackmail threats from terrorists to detonate pre-positioned nukes in several major cities, you’d have the Libs and the Mass Media begging the President to surrender and make peace.
The Libs would take down the stars and stripes and put up the white flag so fast your head would spin.
Little white flags would be flying on all of the Lib’s SUV’s.
Take away electricity, TV, and the Internet, and Americans are helpless.
It wouldn’t take much to conquer America.
Bush needs to appoint Jack Bauer as Homeland Security head LOL
Well, time for baseball You all have a great evening!!
Oh yea, GO Rockies!!
Germany had plans for invading the US after conquering Europe.
Both World Wars. In WWI, Germany was attempting secret deals with Mexico and even Japan to attack the USA. This became public and president Woody Wilson used it as an excuse to enter the war!
PS: We did invade Mexico in early 1900’s, not sure if they attacked us first. I believe we went down there and kicked their butts. Then annexed a sliver for AZ and NM….? Check me on this one.
Kansas, I know how NOT to double click on the blog… It sends me to a page that says it cant find the right place…”
Posted by: sugar | October 28, 2007 at 07:01 PM
Odd, I’ve never gotten that message about “can’t find the right place.”
Perhaps you need some depilatory cream to remove some of those fuzzy virtual hairs getting in your way.
One big factor Germany had to account for was the prevelence of guns in most households in America in the 1940’s.
If THAT is true, all of the whining about national security is a big hoax!!
Posted by: sugar | October 28, 2007 at 07:02 PM
Attacking a country and conquering a country are two separate issues.
Did your teachers not go over that in your elementary school “World Affairs” classes?
It wouldn’t take much to conquer America.
Posted by: Max | October 28, 2007 at 07:05 PM
You’ve probably never seen an “elephant walk” then Max. :)
I didn’t say they would conquer us… just attack us.
Max…you are so full of it.
funny american way… I like the way you talk.
Have you seen this ridiculous crap? I got this in an email- from a Christian freaking out about kids being indoctrinated because an ATHEIST dared create a children’s movie.
http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
American Way, you’re not punny at all.
The series “24″ has already told every terrorist group in the world how to bring down the USA!! And nobody says they are violating our security, or trying to help the enemy!! Only if the NYT prints something – then the Reich Wing gets all excited!!
Too funny!!
Posted by: sugar | October 28, 2007 at 07:04 PM
Sugaar you ole troll you. 24 is a TV show. The NYT prints news supposedly. If you are smart enough not to push the submit button twice surely you can tell the difference between a written script and a newspaper.
Chas could probably help you with that. He know almost as much as Kansas but Kansas still has the edge.
Have you seen this ridiculous crap? I got this in an email- from a Christian freaking out about kids being indoctrinated because an ATHEIST dared create a children’s movie.
http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
Posted by: political_mom | October 28, 2007 at 08:43 PM
How is it that Christians send you something like this. Have you been misrepresenting yourself again? Stupid parents anyhow.
The above Capn America posts were not by Capn America.
That is all.
Outed spy: I’m not going awayBy John Curran, Associated Press Writer | October 28, 2007
SOUTH BURLINGTON, Vt. –Outed spy Valerie Plame says she isn’t going away, no matter what the folks at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue want.
Well I guess we have to say she has warned us. Thought she might leave and take her lying husband with her.
Already figured that out fake capn america… he will not be pleased at having his nic stolen again!! Shame on you nic stealers!!
Baldy, you stupid Troll… graffitti monster… Shut Up!!
sugar,
I’ve also gotten those page not found errors after clicking “post” — but the post worked okay.
Just wait a while, 15 or 30 seconds, and then check if it was posted by clicking the same thread in “Recent Comments”, or “Main”.
If your post was long, and don’t want to risk having to retype all of it, first click “Back” on browsers history feature, select what you typed, and then “copy”, or “cut”.
The thousand criminals of the Sedgwick County Empire descended upon us saying our arrows will blot out the sun.
The corrupt woman who fancied herself a god now feels a very human chill crawl up her spine
Now as before,the Beast approaches,confident & savoring the meal to come-
READY TO SNUFF OUT,THAT THERE IS HOPE FOR REASON & JUSTICE…
AND THEY,KANSAS & CORRUPT SEDGWICK COUNTY WILL KNOW THAT FREE MEN STOOD AGAINST A TYRANT,
AND THAT THE GOD OF ABRAHAM,ISSAC & JACOB ALWAYS HEARS THE VOICE OF THE AFFLICTED.
Whoa and I thought late night USED to be weird.
Pesterme Pattie? There’ll be no subscription. We MAY get ads. I look forward to doing one.
We’ll not be privatizing or commercializing free speech anymore than Rupert and Roger have already done thanks.
Oh? and if this blog DID go pay to play? Another will pop up and with all the regs. It would leave WE blog looking like that Salina Jounal blog.
My psosts against the corrupt of SG county are NOW being censored by the WE staff who fear the demise of SG corruption!
POSTS spelling correction,
My BRAVE SON WHO just returned from fire fights in Iraq does not deserve the corruption of WCIHITA
AmeriDad–
So move already.
It’s still a free country in that respect.
Nobody’s interested in your whining about having to pay child support.
If you didn’t want to pay for them, you shouldn’t have made them.
Let me guess . . . registered Republican?
WATCH HOW FAST THIS BLOG “ERASES” UNDER FEAR FROM THE CORRUPT OF SG COUNTY!
AmerDAD — you got a screw loose, or did you forget to take your meds??
Capn — Yu have been trolled here the last couple of days… Hope somebody can fix that mess!!
Sugar–
It’s what “they” do. It’s how you can tell us from them.
CapnAmerica violated his own boycott again.
Shame, shame, shame….
Go back under your bridge, Blog Central… where all you Trolls belong!!
Sox beat Rox!
I guess the God thing with the Rockies didn’t help ‘em huh?
Prayers to an invisible god never do.
We know James you have been doing it all day.
I wasn’t me did the leg work.
I missed it as I was away.
I know the troll. I know the park he lives near. Probably he hangs out there under the bridges. That is when he is not inflicting himself on us here.
That is the environ the troll has created. Nice he has made me a place to hide while I expose him.:)
Don’t worry about it Unknown. J R, the Capn and kfg think that the guy James is every troll on the blog.
Must be sad to be so paranoid.
Like I say, I can’t take the cred. for busting him.
But I’ve only been back on this forum 3 weeks. How the troll flies when I confront him.
I’ve got your number JM. I should call. We could do lunch?
Now I’m off to bed. Prediction is that nics known and unknown to this forum will savage me through the night.
Been there, done that.
Night…..
Can’t resist one last.
JM? You called me an amateur once. You were correct.
You’ve no idea how much I’ve learned and learn every day. I know you SO much better than you do me.
That’ll keep him up.
Capn America-
SO,how long have you’ve been with SG county? I never said one word about Child Support or any other specific issue here.
My children have been raised for many years,the criminal element of your Court system will be subject to ajudication until May 2009,I would think an “enlightened” citizen such as youself would have concern for due process,but then again you are in SG county and conditioned to corruption.
I hope you will be watching when the crooked SG judges I dealt with are dismissed and will have some lame comment on that day!
Still waiting on that $5000 bet…
Check it out under the disability thread. JM and outie BOTH got busted.
Yes, please do go there. You will see that kfg has trouble reading English.
So.. outie, you were NOT being trolled? It really was you?
Heheheheheheheh. Yes, please, do go check it out.