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Open thread 10/27
- By Phillip Brownlee
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Good grief… we already had that one yesterday… come on sock puppets, keep up, even!! LOL
It is apparent that the right really fears their next president, Hillary Clinton!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye_2a7Lrl80&eurl=http://www.crooksandliars.com/
They’re scared to death of Hillary, Apophis!! LOL
I see you have the same anti-Hillary troll that is over on Opinion Line. Not that she is my first pick for President, but I would vote for her just to see the righties piss in their panties for 8 years like they did when Bill was in office.
TAKE THE QUIZ – WHO SAID IT ?The following quiz was borrowed from Mark at Casting Pearls Before Swine. Take the quiz first and resist the temptation to look at the anwsers BEFORE taking the quiz. Good Luck! Posted by: Detassler said | October 27, 2007 at 02:13 AM
———————————Check this out and get the story behind the so called quiz.http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
Sen. Larry “I am not gay, I have never been gay” Craig’s legal team has opted for a new tactic, given that their initial attempt to have Craig’s guilty plea withdrawn was essentially laughed out of court. Now they are opting to try to invoke something that Republicans haven’t seemed too concerned about in the last few years: constitutionality.
MN Star-Tribune: Sen. Larry Craig will argue before an appeals court that Minnesota’s disorderly conduct law is unconstitutional as it applies to his conviction in a bathroom sex sting, according to a new court filing.
This is the first time Craig’s attorneys have raised that issue. However, an earlier friend-of-the-court filing by the American Civil Liberties Union argued that Craig’s foot-tapping and hand gesture under a stall divider at the Minneapolis airport are protected by the First Amendment.
Funny thing about that Free Speech argument, you never know who is going to use it…like maybe a man who described a rather crude and fumbling assignation with Craig twenty years ago, culminating in Craig taking out a twenty dollar bill and saying
‘Remember, I can buy and sell your ass ten thousand times over. You were never here. Don’t try to come back here. You don’t know me.’
Original account at: http://tinyurl.com/3xfvox
Thanks poster………………..this “quiz” is just another example of reichwing cherry-picking.
What sre these nutcases going to do when Hillary is sworn in to the office of President Of the Untied States of America in January of 2009? Bill will be back in the White House too!
Actually! In the field of Democratic Presidential hopefuls. Hillary Clinton is by far the most conservative on the ticket.
Although she is a bit too left of center for me to support her. And of course I don’t want to see a dual monarchaship Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton.
So I will not be voting for her in the general election.
What sre these nutcases going to do when Hillary is sworn in to the office of President Of the Untied States of America in January of 2009? Bill will be back in the White House too!
Posted by: Apophis | October 27, 2007 at 08:10 AM
We’ll be basking in the sun of affluence with our $80,000 SUV’s, paid for homes and admiring the growth of our wealth in our off shore accounts.
Meanwhile, we’ll be laughing at the Dummocrats for getting taxed out of existence as they turn into socialistic peasants of the Clintonista regime.
Maybe some nice gray sweaters, trousers and berets for the lot of you – no more individuals unless “Her Royal Thighness” says so.
:)
so trollboy……..how can you afford “our $80,000 SUV’s, paid for homes and admiring the growth of our wealth in our off shore accounts” when you subsist on federal assistance?
FYI…………I wouldn’t own an SUV and our home is been paid for. We have quite a nice investment porfolio in a 403(b), a 457 plan, an old SEP-IRA that I brought back with me from outside teaching, plus KPERS, plus SS as well as eligible for “the Bridge” for early retirement and the opportunuity to “double-dip”. Then again, there is the consulting work I do.
Not too bad for a liberal.
What is it that you do for a living trollboy? I get it; you spend your day (and night) blogging.
I have two homes, one paid for and other paid for in 2010.
Been investing since 1982, nest eggs do grow if you care and feed them. :)
“We’ll be basking in the sun of affluence with our $80,000 SUV’s, paid for homes and admiring the growth of our wealth in our off shore accounts.
Meanwhile, we’ll be laughing at the Dummocrats for getting taxed out of existence as they turn into socialistic peasants of the Clintonista regime.
Maybe some nice gray sweaters, trousers and berets for the lot of you – no more individuals unless “Her Royal Thighness” says so.”
Re: Kansas
DNFTT
I dont think the Right Wing would know the definition of Socialism if it hit them over the head!!
What they espouse is Corporate control of Government, which, by the way, is Facism…
And how many more times do we have to see that stupid idiotic Hillary Quiz??
What they espouse is Corporate control of Government, which, by the way, is Facism…
Posted by: Chas. | October 27, 2007 at 08:56 AM
That would be wrong.
Huh.
I don’t know if Hillary said those things or not.
I also don’t care.
I DO happen to agree with every single one of them.
What they espouse is Corporate control of Government, which, by the way, is Facism…
Posted by: Chas. | October 27, 2007 at 08:56 AM
That would be wrong.**********************************why do you do all this cutnpaste?ya forget who ya talkin at?
Chas, you are completely correct.The corporate takeover of govt is already complete.
dem sock puppets smells like stinky feet
Stinks even worse when ya know who’s behind ‘em.
Ewwwwwwww
KANSAS — I SUGGEST YOU CHECK YOUR DICTIONARY FOR PROPER DEFINITIONS OF TERMS — BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG, AND ANY DICTIONARY, OR ENCYCLOPEDIA WILL PROVE YOU WRONG!!
TRACY, I DONT KNOW IF IT IS COMPLETE OR NOT YET, BUT IT IS WELL UNDERWAY, THANKS TO THE BUSH/CHENEY MACHINE!! LOL
SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS.. KEYBOARD IS CRAZY AGAIN THIS MORNING!!
KANSAS — I SUGGEST YOU CHECK YOUR DICTIONARY FOR PROPER DEFINITIONS OF TERMS — BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG, AND ANY DICTIONARY, OR ENCYCLOPEDIA WILL PROVE YOU WRONG!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 27, 2007 at 09:16 AM
You are still wrong and CAPS don’t help.
Ok, fixed now… loose battery in keyboard!! LOL
Prove me wrong Kansas — PROVE it!!
Tracy
Both Parties have sold-out to the corps.
The only candidate not sold-out is Ron Paul.
dem sock puppets smells like stinky feet
Posted by: TRACY | October 27, 2007 at 09:11 AM
I agree, “Dem -”Ocratic” sock puppets do smell like stinky feet, just like their original nics.
Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll second that kfg!DENNIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ed, I’m afraid Ron Paul has sold out to the lunatic fringe!! Starting to sound like some of the Posse Commetatis
Not to mention his pat robertson approach to states’ rights.
Prove me wrong Kansas — PROVE it!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 27, 2007 at 09:19 AM
Don’t have to because I no matter what I write, you’ll just add more b.s. and exclamation points.
Then scream and whine about the oppressed masses – cheated by the man, you know typical Lib mantra.
Everyone on this blog knows that Chas is too lazy to research to prove his assertions.
It is also known in order for Libs to make something true, they scream, whine and point fingers over and over until they convince themselves they are “right.”
But,you are still wrong – just admit it and look up the term Chas.
Stop looking so ignorant on the blog – you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorant claims.
Hey I gotta commend ya for some stellar observation and sleuth skills during my long absence there kfg. WAAAAY back in April even. Dang sorry I missed that.
“Beginning in the 1970s, some historians and political scientists began to develop a broader definition of fascism, and by the 1990s many scholars had embraced this approach. This new approach emphasizes the ways in which fascist movements attempt revolutionary change and their central focus on popularizing myths of national or ethnic renewal. Seen from this perspective, all forms of fascism have three common features: anticonservatism, a myth of ethnic or national renewal, and a conception of a nation in crisis.”
More at link >>>
http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/ara/pde/facism.html
Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Facism — From Lawrence Britt.
“1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.
5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.
6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.
7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.
9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.
14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.
Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.”
http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/facism.htm
Note
1. Defined as a “political movement or regime tending toward or imitating Fascism”—Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary.
References
Andrews, Kevin. Greece in the Dark. Amsterdam: Hakkert, 1980.Chabod, Frederico. A History of Italian Fascism. London: Weidenfeld, 1963.Cooper, Marc. Pinochet and Me. New York: Verso, 2001.Cornwell, John. Hitler as Pope. New York: Viking, 1999.de Figuerio, Antonio. Portugal—Fifty Years of Dictatorship. New York: Holmes & Meier, 1976.Eatwell, Roger. Fascism, A History. New York: Penguin, 1995.Fest, Joachim C. The Face of the Third Reich. New York: Pantheon, 1970.Gallo, Max. Mussolini’s Italy. New York: MacMillan, 1973.Kershaw, Ian. Hitler (two volumes). New York: Norton, 1999.Laqueur, Walter. Fascism, Past, Present, and Future. New York: Oxford, 1996.Papandreau, Andreas. Democracy at Gunpoint. New York: Penguin Books, 1971.Phillips, Peter. Censored 2001: 25 Years of Censored News. New York: Seven Stories. 2001.Sharp, M.E. Indonesia Beyond Suharto. Armonk, 1999.Verdugo, Patricia. Chile, Pinochet, and the Caravan of Death. Coral Gables, Florida: North-South Center Press, 2001.Yglesias, Jose. The Franco Years. Indianapolis: Bobbs-Merrill, 1977.
“Roger Griffin, an influential scholar of generic fascism, argues that cism is best defined as a revolutionary form of nationalism, one that sets out to be a political, social and ethical revolution, welding the ‘people’ into a dynamic national community under new elites infused with heroic values. The core myth that inspires this project is that only a populist, trans-class movement of purifying, cathartic national rebirth (palingenesis) can stem the tide of decadence.”
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/076.html
LINE 1 – “cism” = facism
You provided definitions Chas and both Web Page authors didn’t identify the United States as a fascist government.
You are using the definitions to identify your viewpoint, not the fact that the U.S. might be a fascist government, which it is not.
You need to realize the difference between concept and application Chas.
There is no application of what these authors wrote in the United States to the extent of what real fascists governments do.
You have failed to prove your case.
So, you are still wrong.
Socialism in a nutshellIn a socialist society the means of production [1] are owned by the workers rather than by a rich minority of capitalists or functionaries. Such a system of ownership is both collective and individual in nature.
It is collective because society can control production unlike the economic anarchy of capitalism and because production is for the common good rather than for individual profit.
At the same time it is individual because workers are no longer a ‘collective’ mob of alienated non-owners employed by a minority of owners. Work becomes a free and self-affirming activity for each worker and they receive the full fruits of their labor. The capitalists and their servants no longer control production nor grow rich from other’s toil. Everybody is an owner. Socialism is genuine free enterprise.
The personally empowering and cooperative nature of socialist ownership underpins similar changes in other aspects of life. Socialism means far healthier individuals and human relationships. It means full participation by each individual in the intellectual, cultural and political life of society.
Socialism requires a revolution with three main stages: firstly the emergence of a workers’ movement committed to socialist revolution, secondly the achievement of political power and the expropriation of the capitalists and thirdly a period during which workers learn how to be owners and rulers and cast off the psychological and ideological dross of the past.
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dmcm/Articles/nutshell.htm
If yu stayed on point, Kansas, you could possibly be dangerous — YOU havent proven your point from earlier!! I have posted definitions… YOU decide where we are!! LOL
BTW, I never stated we are a facist government… only that the corporatocracy has all but taken over our country… Go back and read!! I am not going to allow you to throw out your usual side stepping garbage — IOW, I am not feeding your Troll side…
I might be back later…
You provided definitions Chas, but didn’t prove your point.
In fascist government there is no redress but to overthrow the government – that is not the same as voting as is it the United States.
The Constitution still stands and the U.S. still still adheres to it. Things that are unconstitutional get removed or overturned.
There is no ability in a fascist government to do overturning of principles and law without some sort of coup.
The major difference between the United States Government and a fascist government is a matter of redress on the issues through non-violent actions and as outlined in the Constitution by appeal.
A citizen cannot appeal the law in a fascist government nor can it prove injustice through normal means.
You failed to prove your case Chas.
Chas, we have many companies today that are employee owned. And they compete in the marketplace just like everyone else.
The three stage revolution you or the article mentions is basically Communism. It is stealing of personal assets. This country has fought and prevailed over the forces of that oppressive and out-dated ideology in the past. It is a loser’s philosophy.
“I would remind you that hatred and separateness have brought humanity to the present condition.” ….A.A.B.
Oh, and….HAVE A VERY NICE WEEKEND.
Sterling 2A Boys will win the state cross country meet!!! GO STERLING BLACK BEARS!
Outlander, the very Definition in that article is of SOCIALISM!! Can you NOT READ??
And ZKansas, once again, you criticiae my “Definitions” but offer nothing of your own except for criticism of the definitions that I provided, which are linked!!
Do you have anything to refute the definitions??? Or are you just typing for the hell of it??
Back later!!
‘I Don’t Think This Place Is Worth Another Soldier’s Life’
After 14 months in a Baghdad district torn by mounting sectarian violence, members of one U.S. unit are tired, bitter and skeptical.
By Joshua PartlowWashington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, October 27, 2007; Page A01
BAGHDAD, Oct. 26 Their line of tan Humvees and Bradley Fighting Vehicles creeps through another Baghdad afternoon. At this pace, an excruciating slowness, they strain to see everything, hoping the next manhole cover, the next rusted barrel, does not hide another bomb. A few bullets pass overhead, but they don’t worry much about those.
“I hate this road,” someone says over the radio.
Barriers in Sadiyah are daubed with graffiti about an Iraqi National Police brigade that used to patrol the area and the Iraqi army brigade that replaced it. U.S. soldiers and residents said the police were complicit in Shiite attacks on Sunnis.
They stop, look around. The streets of Sadiyah are deserted again. To the right, power lines slump down into the dirt. To the left, what was a soccer field is now a pasture of trash, combusting and smoking in the sun. Packs of skinny wild dogs trot past walls painted with slogans of sectarian hate.
A bomb crater blocks one lane, so they cross to the other side, where houses are blackened by fire, shops crumbled into bricks. The remains of a car bomb serve as hideous public art. Sgt. Victor Alarcon’s Humvee rolls into a vast pool of knee-high brown sewage water — the soldiers call it Lake Havasu, after the Arizona spring-break party spot — that seeps in the doors of the vehicle and wets his boots.
“When we first got here, all the shops were open. There were women and children walking out on the street,” Alarcon said this week. “The women were in Western clothing. It was our favorite street to go down because of all the hot chicks.”
That was 14 long months ago, when the soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 18th Infantry Regiment, 1st Infantry Division, arrived in southwestern Baghdad. It was before their partners in the Iraqi National Police became their enemies and before Shiite militiamen, aligned with the police, attempted to exterminate a neighborhood of middle-class Sunni families.
Next month, the U.S. soldiers will complete their tour in Iraq. Their experience in Sadiyah has left many of them deeply discouraged, by both the unabated hatred between rival sectarian fighters and the questionable will of the Iraqi government to work toward peaceful solutions.
Asked if the American endeavor here was worth their sacrifice — 20 soldiers from the battalion have been killed in Baghdad — Alarcon said no: “I don’t think this place is worth another soldier’s life.”
While top U.S. commanders say the statistics of violence have registered a steep drop in Baghdad and elsewhere, the soldiers’ experience in Sadiyah shows that numbers alone do not describe the sense of aborted normalcy — the fear, the disrupted lives — that still hangs over the city.
Before the war, Sadiyah was a bustling middle-class district, popular with Sunni officers in Saddam Hussein’s military. It has become strategically important because it represents a fault line between militia power bases in al-Amil to the west and the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Dora to the east. U.S. commanders say the militias have made a strong push for the neighborhood in part because it lies along the main road that Shiite pilgrims travel to the southern holy cities of Najaf and Karbala.
American soldiers estimate that since violence intensified this year, half of the families in Sadiyah have fled, leaving approximately 100,000 people. After they left, insurgents and militiamen used their abandoned homes to hold meetings and store weapons. The neighborhood deteriorated so quickly that many residents came to believe neither U.S. nor Iraqi security forces could stop it happening.
The descent of Sadiyah followed a now-familiar pattern in Baghdad. In response to suicide bombings blamed on Sunni insurgent groups such as al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Shiite militias, particularly the Mahdi Army, went from house to house killing and intimidating Sunni families. In many formerly mixed neighborhoods of Baghdad, such as al-Amil and Bayaa, Shiites have become the dominant sect, with their militias the most powerful force.
read the rest of the story at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/26/AR2007102602402.html?hpid=artslot
Chas has done a great job of defining his Socialist view, and it would be a very scary thing if that indeed was the emerging view in this country.
Highlighted in Chas’s rants for Socialism is the loss of individual FREEDOM.
FREEDOM, if there is one word to describe the first 200 years of the United States, FREEDOM is that word.
Individual Freedom is not allowed in the Socialist world, and if there are many like Chas, then America is truly being attacked from within.
Regarding the Hillary Quote quiz above, and the Snope’s link, if you read the Snope’s article you will see that by attempting to defend Hillary’s quotes, the article failed in that Hillary’s quotes were even CONFIRMED more so by the context around her quotes.
Hillary and Saul Alinsky are both true Socialist’s and Elitist Engineers, in that THEY know what is best for all of us. And if it means individuals lose their freedom to achieve the final engineered Great Socialist Society, then so be it.
Oh, one other point, Chas you FAILED in your boycott attempt.
Chas can’t be trusted to keep his word.
I can’t wait to hear Chas sniveling little list of weasle excuses as to why he broke his boycott promise.
Morons.
The boycott was called by Hank Price.
pickanics KNOWS that. He even vowed to respect the boycott. He kept that commitment for not quite 23 minutes.
Hey Chas? Everybody knows what he is. Unless you see him as a charity case and are here to feed his sad and lonely and miserable existence, I suggest ignore. Let him go back to his little picture blog.
Liberal Queen of the Blog JR rises to the defense of baby Chas!
Don’t you let Chas speak for himself yet JR?
Or do you always have to pull his Sock Puppet strings?
Wah wah wah, Hank started the boycott, it’s all his fault!
Come on Chas, you can speak for yourself now can’t you?
Don’t let JR push you around. She’s just a Pushy Btich!
You can stand up to her!
Sweets?
You couldn’t quit me if ya tried.
Oh go dig up a Hillary link Max.
Better yet Max, ask mr pickanics about his website. You might enjoy it.
Too nice a day for this.
Even the Socialists Recognize the Strong Economy
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/apr2007/grow-a24.shtml
After strong growth, world economy at a “turning point”By Nick Beams
The latest reports on the state of the world economy by both the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank paint a picture of a global boom, the like of which has not been seen in almost four decades.
The IMF’s World Economic Outlook (WEO), published earlier this month, predicts that the average world growth rate of 4.9 percent in the period 2003-2006 will continue at least for the next two years. According to IMF statistics, the only stronger spurt was the period 1970-1973, when world growth averaged 5.4 percent. If the current rate is sustained it will represent the most powerful six-year expansion of the world economy in the period since 1970.
The conclusions of the Global Economic Prospects report, published by the World Bank in December 2006, are not essentially different.
While its figures are slightly below those of the IMF, due to different measurement techniques, the World Bank points to a “strong global performance” reflecting a “very rapid expansion in developing countries, which grew more than twice as fast as the advanced economies.” This was not just a result of the impact of the Chinese economy, which grew by 10.4 percent, but extended across the range of developing countries. Altogether 38 percent of the increase in global output originated in these regions, well above their 22 percent of world gross domestic product (GDP).
The World Bank noted that if the past 25 years were divided in two periods—1980-2000 and 2000-2005—average growth in developing countries had accelerated from 3.2 percent in the first period to 5 percent in the second. While this acceleration was not shared by all countries, neither was it merely the result of increased growth in China and India.
Say Kitrell, bulk discounts on the Hillary Sucks stuff.
Want to split an order?
My favorite:
Hillary SucksBut Not Like Monica!
McConnell earmarks funds for firm accused of bribery.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is pushing “$25 million in earmarked federal funds for a British defense contractor that is under criminal investigation by the U.S. Justice Department and suspected by American diplomats of a ‘longstanding, widespread pattern of bribery allegations.’” McConnell has taken at least $53,000 in campaign donations from the contractor’s political action committees and employees since his 2002 re-election. McConnell spokesman Don Stewart did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Hillary as an Intern photo is a classic!
US Economy Outlook Bright!
http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2221146820071022?pageNumber=2
Fed’s Evans says US economy “moving forward”Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:43pm EDTBy Ros Krasny
CHICAGO (Reuters) – Chicago Federal Reserve Bank President Charles Evans said on Monday that outside of housing the U.S. economy is “moving forward,” and that the Fed cannot afford to go soft on inflation.
“We cannot afford to be lax on the inflation front,” Evans said in a speech to a University of Chicago Graduate School of Business global markets forum.
“I would see any increase in inflation or inflation expectations from their current levels as a serious concern.”
Evans said U.S. economic activity will remain “soft” this fall, still dragged down by the decline in residential housing investment.
“But we see growth recovering next year and moving up to average close to potential later in 2008,” Evans said, terming potential growth “somewhat above 2.5 percent.”
Worse preswident ever, worse administration ever, and a Republican Party that has parted from it’s principles. And of the 2 the one with the least amount of ethics, honor and integerity.
And now they are about to embark us on a war with Iran that will only serve to isolate the US more more from the world and markets, allowing other agencies China and Russia to dictate our fate …… And they will be doing it against the advice of senior military leaders — again —– DeJa Vu — the simple minds of people that have never fought in a war ………
Guantanamo military lawyer breaks ranks to condemn ‘unconscionable’ detention
By Leonard Doyle in WashingtonPublished: 27 October 2007
An American military lawyer and veteran of dozens of secret Guantanamo tribunals has made a devastating attack on the legal process for determining whether Guantanamo prisoners are “enemy combatants”.
The whistleblower, an army major inside the military court system which the United States has established at Guantanamo Bay, has described the detention of one prisoner, a hospital administrator from Sudan, as “unconscionable”.
His critique will be the centrepiece of a hearing on 5 December before the US Supreme Court when another attempt is made to shut the prison down. So nervous is the Bush administration of the latest attack – and another Supreme Court ruling against it – that it is preparing a whole new system of military courts to deal with those still imprisoned.
The whistleblower’s testimony is the most serious attack to date on the military panels, which were meant to give a fig- leaf of legitimacy to the interrogation and detention policies at Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay. The major has taken part in 49 status review panels.
“It’s a kangaroo court system and completely corrupt,” said Michael Ratner, the president of the Centre for Constitutional Rights, which is co-ordinating investigations and appeals lawsuits against the government by some 1,000 lawyers. “Stalin had show trials, but at Guantanamo they are not even show trials because it all takes place in secret.”
Combatant Status Review Tribunals were held for 558 detainees at the Guantanamo in 2004 and 2005. All but 38 detainees were determined to be “enemy combatants” who could be held indefinitely without charges. Detainees were not represented by a lawyer and had no access to evidence. The only witnesses they could call were other so-called “enemy combatants”.
The army major has said that in the rare circumstances in which it was decided that the detainees were no longer enemy combatants, senior commanders ordered another panel to reverse the decision. The major also described “acrimony” during a “heated conference” call from Admiral McGarragh, who reports to the Secretary of the US Navy, when a the panel refused to describe several Uighur detainees as enemy combatants. Senior military commanders wanted to know why some panels considering the same evidence would come to different findings on the Uighurs, members of a Muslim minority in China.
When the whistleblower suggested over the phone that inconsistent results were “good for the system … and would show that the system was working correctly”, Admiral McGarragh, he said, had no response. The latest criticism emerged when lawyers investigating the case of a Sudanese hospital administrator, Adel Hamad, who has been held for five years, came across a “stunning” sworn statement from a member of the military panel. The officer they interviewed was so frightened of retaliation from the military that they would not allow their name to be used in the statement, nor to reveal whether the person was a man or woman.
Two other military lawyers have also gone public. In June, Army Lt-Col Stephen Abraham, a 26-year veteran in US military intelligence, became the first insider to publicly fault the proceedings. In May last year, Lt-Com Matthew Diaz was sentenced to six months in prison and dismissed from the military after he sent the names of all 551 men at the prison to a human rights group.
William Teesdale, a British-born lawyer investigating Mr Hadad’s case, said he was certain of his client’s innocence, having tracked down doctors who worked with him at an Afghan hospital. “Mr Hamad is an innocent man, and he is not the only one in Guantanamo.”
When facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross.
Gosh, Hillary doesn’t seem like a prize candidate, but then again she is the only woman running… she isn’t about to get my vote!
Hey Sterling did win, I knew it!!
Good grief… we already had that one yesterday… come on sock puppets, keep up, even!! LOL
Posted by: Chas. | October 27, 2007 at 05:13 AM
Chas you post the same garbage day after day after day why deprive the others of the same privilege?
Check this out and get the story behind the so called quiz.http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
Posted by: poster | October 27, 2007 at 08:06 AM
And this was important because…..?
She said them and even Snopes is doesn’t deny it. Why are you trying to weasel for her. Where is the grand conspiracy here? Atributing quotes to someone who said them is wrong because…..?
Help me out here.
Talk about national healthcare is pointless. Insurance corporations lobbyist’s are to powerful in Washington. There is too much profit in insurance as evident in one CEO’s compensation package that totaled over 1 billion dollars.
>Help me out here<
I think the point of the snopes link was to show that these quotes are taken out of context. Much like Limbaugh’s complaint about with this “phony soldier” comment.
More at link >>>
http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/ara/pde/facism.html
Posted by: Chas. | October 27, 2007 at 09:29 AM
Chas this persons personal opinion is important because…..?
Do you ever have an oringinal thought?
MSNBC: Leaked memos show Giuliani’s ignorance of terrorism before 9/11
Mike Aivaz and Muriel KanePublished: Friday October 26, 2007
David Shuster, substituting for Keith Olbermann as host of Countdown, reported on Thursday that Rudy Giuliani’s description of himself as the only candidate who foresaw the danger posed by al Qaeda before 9/11 has now been refuted by a leaked document.
Typical of Giuliani’s claims on the campaign trail is a speech he gave last summer in which he said of the pre-9/11 period, “Bin Laden declared war on us. We didn’t hear it. … I thought it was pretty clear at the time — but a lot of people didn’t see it, couldn’t see it.”
Wayne Barrett, a reporter for New York’s Village Voice and author of Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11, has now obtained leaked memos describing Giuliani’s testimony before the 9/11 Commission which directly contradict that claim.
Barrett told Shuster that taken as a whole, Giuliani’s testimony “was a confession of ignorance. He basically said, ‘I knew nothing about al Qaeda.’”
For example, Giuliani acknowledged that even though he had received information on threats between 1998 and 2001, “At the time I had no idea it was al Qaeda.” He further told the commission that after 9/11, “we brought in people to brief us on al Qaeda. … We had nothing like this pre 9/11, which was a mistake.”
Giuliani’s testimony, like that of other witnesses describing New York City’s response on 9/11, was supposed to remain secret until after the 2008 presidential election.
Barrett also emphasized Giuliani’s continuing ignorance of technological systems involved in the fight against terrorism. As late as April 2004, when he testified before the commission, Giuliani admitted that he didn’t know much about a New York Police Department system called ComStat — which he’s now saying he’d like to see extended nationwide. He was also unable to answer questions about the malfunctioning radios which caused many deaths among firefighters or about a repeater installed in the World Trade Center after the 1993 bombing to amplify radio communications.
“He still wasn’t studying the response issues,” Barrett said.
Much like Limbaugh’s complaint about with this “phony soldier” comment.
Posted by: ???????????? | October 27, 2007 at 01:28 PM
The difference being that he never called real soldiers phony and she said all of these and meant them for what she was saying. Read them for yourself. She does advocate taking from the rich to give to the poor no matter how you present it. Are you getting the picture yet?
Well, it is good to know that reid and the other dems were trying to give these animals and their offspring amnesty while this was going down.
180*
Separatists claim responsibility for California WildfiresStory HighlightsMexican separatists claim California stolen from Mexico
Blaze was started with simple “Molotov cocktails”
FBI, ATF, local fire and law officials investigating
Gov. Schwarzenegger: “an unforgivable act of inhumanity”
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ORANGE COUNTY, California (CNN) — Radical Hispanic separatist organization MEChA (”Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan”) is taking responsibility for setting the wildfires in California, confimed Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Firefighter Luke Perisin sets a backfire Wednesday against the Santiago Fire in Live Oak Canyon, California.
California officials received a letter earlier today containing photographs of individuals holding Molotov cocktails, then throwing them into dry brush. The faces of the individuals appeared to have been digitally distorted.
Also included was a rambling manifesto, stating that the reason for the act of arson was that “Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, the Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán. We are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture….”
http://www.cnnheadlienews.com/2007/US/10/25/fire.mecha/index.html
>Well, it is good to know that reid and the other dems were trying to give these animals and their offspring amnesty while this was going down.<
Short memory. Bush and McCain were also pushing for amnesty.
^^, I think if I were to say the sky is blue you would come back and say it is black.
This is pointless, it is obvious that you dislike Senator Clinton and that is your right just as it is mine to point out the flaw in the Hillary quiz.
I bet those Fox News people are going to have to apologize now for saying that they thought Al Qaeda was probably responsible for setting the California fires.
Of course Hillary wants to take from the wealthy and give to everyone else. Problem is, most polls show that alot of Americans agree with her.
Of course Hillary wants to take from the wealthy and give to everyone else. Problem is, most polls show that alot of Americans agree with her.
Posted by: KenS | October 27, 2007 at 03:18 PM
Sad isn’t it that we are turning into a nation of lazy whiners that want it all and don’t want to work for anything.
^^, I think if I were to say the sky is blue you would come back and say it is black.
This is pointless, it is obvious that you dislike Senator Clinton and that is your right just as it is mine to point out the flaw in the Hillary quiz.
Posted by: poster | October 27, 2007 at 02:58 PM
I don’t dislike Hillary as much as I fear her. If her philosophy wins our culture as we know it is doomed.
The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!! Our culture as we know it is doomed!!
Oh, woe!! Oh, woe!!
“Well, it is good to know that reid and the other dems were trying to give these animals and their offspring amnesty while this was going down.”
Hey Gul Dukat. Go persecute some Bajorans or take it to Stormfront.
By your apparent logic, every illegal alien, or even Hispanic, of Mexican heritage is responsible for the acts of some radical seperatists idiots just as all of us of recent European descent are responsible for the rantings of someone like yourself.
Atributing quotes to someone who said them is wrong because…..?
Help me out here.
Posted by: ^^ | October 27, 2007 at 01:21 PM
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Hey, idiot… She might have
SAID some of those words, IF you cut and paste, and delete other words she said along with them… IOW, the snopes link shows you where the statements were rigged to make them look likie what they arent… Do you know how to READ and see a farce when you do read it??
Obviously, not, since you continue to support the quotations, even if you know they are all bastardized statements taken out of context, and edited/deleted/fixed to look like what they arent!
THAT is just smear tactics!!
I dont have time for this right wing trash today!!
The Bush administration keeps sighting “national security” for not releasing reports. It’s like they are trying to cover their own asses.
Storm readiness shortfalls kept secretOfficials say disclosure would be security risk
Saturday, October 27, 2007By Bill Walsh
WASHINGTON — The state of Louisiana and the Bush administration are refusing to disclose analyses that would let the public know where gaps exist in the government’s hurricane preparation and response plans, including evacuation, medical services and shelters.
Citing national security concerns, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has refused to turn over “gap analyses” conducted on 18 coastal states, from Maine to Texas, that are susceptible to hurricanes. FEMA officials say that because the reviews discuss “critical infrastructure,” they are not available to the public under the federal Freedom of Information Act………
The Evangelical Crackup
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICKPublished: October 28, 2007
The hundred-foot white cross atop the Immanuel Baptist Church in downtown Wichita, Kan., casts a shadow over a neighborhood of payday lenders, pawnbrokers and pornographic video stores. To its parishioners, this has long been the front line of the culture war. Immanuel has stood for Southern Baptist traditionalism for more than half a century. Until recently, its pastor, Terry Fox, was the Jerry Falwell of the Sunflower State — the public face of the conservative Christian political movement in a place where that made him a very big deal.
With flushed red cheeks and a pudgy, dimpled chin, Fox roared down from Immanuel’s pulpit about the wickedness of abortion, evolution and homosexuality. He mobilized hundreds of Kansas pastors to push through a state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, helping to unseat a handful of legislators in the process. His Sunday-morning services reached tens of thousands of listeners on regional cable television, and on Sunday nights he was a host of a talk-radio program, “Answering the Call.” Major national conservative Christian groups like Focus on the Family lauded his work, and the Southern Baptist Convention named him chairman of its North American Mission Board.
For years, Fox flaunted his allegiance to the Republican Party, urging fellow pastors to make the same “confession” and calling them “sissies” if they didn’t. “We are the religious right,” he liked to say. “One, we are religious. Two, we are right.”
His congregation, for the most part, applauded. Immanuel and Wichita’s other big churches were seedbeds of the conservative Christian activism that burst forth three decades ago. In the 1980s, when theological conservatives pushed the moderates out of the Southern Baptist Convention, Immanuel and Fox were both at the forefront. In 1991, when Operation Rescue brought its “Summer of Mercy” abortion protests to Wichita, Immanuel’s parishioners leapt to the barricades, helping to establish the city as the informal capital of the anti-abortion movement. And Fox’s confrontational style packed ever more like-minded believers into the pews. He more than doubled Immanuel’s official membership to more than 6,000 and planted the giant cross on its roof.
So when Fox announced to his flock one Sunday in August last year that it was his final appearance in the pulpit, the news startled evangelical activists from Atlanta to Grand Rapids. Fox told the congregation that he was quitting so he could work full time on “cultural issues.” Within days, The Wichita Eagle reported that Fox left under pressure. The board of deacons had told him that his activism was getting in the way of the Gospel. “It just wasn’t pertinent,” Associate Pastor Gayle Tenbrook later told me.
Fox, who is 47, said he saw some impatient shuffling in the pews, but he was stunned that the church’s lay leaders had turned on him. “They said they were tired of hearing about abortion 52 weeks a year, hearing about all this political stuff!” he told me on a recent Sunday afternoon. “And these were deacons of the church!”
These days, Fox has taken his fire and brimstone in search of a new pulpit. He rented space at the Johnny Western Theater at the Wild West World amusement park until it folded. Now he preaches at a Best Western hotel. “I don’t mind telling you that I paid a price for the political stands I took,” Fox said. “The pendulum in the Christian world has swung back to the moderate point of view. The real battle now is among evangelicals.”
Fox is not the only conservative Christian to feel the heat of those battles, even in — of all places — Wichita. Within three months of his departure, the two other most influential conservative Christian pastors in the city had left their pulpits as well. And in the silence left by their voices, a new generation of pastors distinctly suspicious of the Republican Party — some as likely to lean left as right — is beginning to speak up.
Just three years ago, the leaders of the conservative Christian political movement could almost see the Promised Land. White evangelical Protestants looked like perhaps the most potent voting bloc in America. They turned out for President George W. Bush in record numbers, supporting him for re-election by a ratio of four to one. Republican strategists predicted that religious traditionalists would help bring about an era of dominance for their party. Spokesmen for the Christian conservative movement warned of the wrath of “values voters.” James C. Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, was poised to play kingmaker in 2008, at least in the Republican primary. And thanks to President Bush, the Supreme Court appeared just one vote away from answering the prayers of evangelical activists by overturning Roe v. Wade.
Today the movement shows signs of coming apart beneath its leaders. It is not merely that none of the 2008 Republican front-runners come close to measuring up to President Bush in the eyes of the evangelical faithful, although it would be hard to find a cast of characters more ill fit for those shoes: a lapsed-Catholic big-city mayor; a Massachusetts Mormon; a church-skipping Hollywood character actor; and a political renegade known for crossing swords with the Rev. Pat Robertson and the Rev. Jerry Falwell. Nor is the problem simply that the Democratic presidential front-runners — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Senator Barack Obama and former Senator John Edwards — sound like a bunch of tent-revival Bible thumpers compared with the Republicans.
The 2008 election is just the latest stress on a system of fault lines that go much deeper. The phenomenon of theologically conservative Christians plunging into political activism on the right is, historically speaking, something of an anomaly. Most evangelicals shrugged off abortion as a Catholic issue until after the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. But in the wake of the ban on public-school prayer, the sexual revolution and the exodus to the suburbs that filled the new megachurches, protecting the unborn became the rallying cry of a new movement to uphold the traditional family. Now another confluence of factors is threatening to tear the movement apart. The extraordinary evangelical love affair with Bush has ended, for many, in heartbreak over the Iraq war and what they see as his meager domestic accomplishments. That disappointment, in turn, has sharpened latent divisions within the evangelical world — over the evangelical alliance with the Republican Party, among approaches to ministry and theology, and between the generations…..
nine more pages here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/magazine/28Evangelicals-t.html?ref=politics
Huh
Republicans want me to get 3 jobs.
Then they tell me that Hillary wants to take money away from them and give it to me.
Um…I’m in with that. Go Hillary even!
What’s with the abject fear of Republic Party advocates these days?
They’re terrified of “terrorists,” they’re alienated by “illegal” aliens, they think Senator Clinton is so smart and powerful she’ll singlehandedly turn the USA into the Peoples’ Republic of North America. They insist on carrying a concealed weapon when they take out the garbage. They’re afraid that poor children might be given access to the same level of health care as their good “Christian” white babies. Or that two gays who happen to get married in Massachusetts will ruin their marriage. They’re afraid of Iran, for chrissakes; a nation that has a $3 Billion military budget as compared to Americas $160 Billion they give to the Pentagon every year (not counting the $600 Billion they’re spending in Iraq…”off the budget.”
Have you ever seen a sorrier bunch of pansy lilly-livered wimps?
The wing-nuts come off really brave on anonymous forums (fora?) as these. But they prove themselves to be so pathetically worried about their so-called ideals, they need to conjure up new fears to win elections and manipulate congressional action that just might reflect the will of the majority of Americans.
True to form, the Republic Party’s advocates reveal themselves as sniveling cowards. Like (The Big) Dick Cheney, who “had better things to do” than join the military in the 60s. Like Shrub, whose military “service” amounted to protecting Alabama from MIG fighters (when he showed up). Like “Kansas,” who didn’t win a Purple Heart for his alleged combat injuries but nevertheless has milked the system for a guaranteed “disability” income from the government for the rest of his life.
Like all the Graffiti Trolls who post drive-by comments under ad hoc nyms… terrified to have their opinions on this forum attributed to a single source.
We see every day just how terrified so-called “conservatives” have become. That means the terrorists have won.
Unless, of course, voters have the courage to get back to what America’s supposed to be about.
E pluribus unum. Out of many, one. We Americans are a pretty good people with a pretty good system (theoretically) of governance. But if the cowards continue to control the government, we’re destined to become a nation of cowards.
And just look at this forum to see all those so-called “conservatives” who are afraid.
Dont we usually call them “bedwetters” for short hand?
Fear and smear, the formula works for them as well as god, guns and gays!
Well said MonkeyHawk!
“Well said MonkeyHawk!”
I second that!!!!!
Thanks, “ksfarmgrrl,” “Apophis” and “????” (can I call you by your nickname?) –
Anyway.
I think it’s significant that the usual suspects from the wingnut community have no response.
Maybe they’re afraid to.
;-)
I’ll wager that the trollboy will pipe in with his signature copy/paste of faux news propoganda quite soon.
No reason to respond to Lib spittle MonkeyHawk.
When you start assigning values of what other people think, instead of telling your own thoughts – it then becomes an arm-flailing session of lower bowel back flush.
I notice the Lib Dems are expert at casting aspersion and pointing fingers, but short of coming up with solutions. It is so much easier to criticize than to come up with plan -
- isn’t that right MonkeyHawk. :)
right on cue, the troll shows up.
…….so predictable!
Like the opinion of Apophis counts for anything.
“right on cue, the troll shows up.
…….so predictable!”
Apophis 1, kansas 0
BTW:The Democrats have solutions, you just don’t agree with them.
So what makes you think your opinions count?
BTW:The Democrats have solutions, you just don’t agree with them.
Posted by: ???????????? | October 27, 2007 at 07:23 PM
What solutions is that? Crawl back in their collective holes and hide?
What solutions do the 11 percenters have? Any progress they can’t seem to make has been missing from the news since the election.
You know,the mantra of “Defund the War” and the “criminal Marines.”
Oh yes, “General Betrayus” or “the war is lost – Senator Dingy Harry Reid” – or “We’ll be there until 2012 “Her Royal Thighness” Clinton?”
Just what solutions do the Dems have except for the perpetual whining?
MSNBC: Leaked memos show Giuliani’s ignorance of terrorism before 9/11
O.K., so what is Hillary’s excuse for her ignorance? Or better yet, what was Bill’s excuse for his INaction on terrorism?
the flaw in the Hillary quiz.
Posted by: poster
No flaw. Just the facts. Hillery said them. Now you can TWIST around on the twister dots all you want.
She is a pure socialist.
But go ahead, maybe you have some long posts you’d like to post showing the democrat plan for America’s future?
Something long. We wouldn’t want you to learn how to post a link rather than a book.
ad hoc nyms……it is actully “democratic”
You are another bush apologist moron.
“Sad isn’t it that we are turning into a nation of lazy whiners that want it all and don’t want to work for anything.”
You mean like these (see article below) 11 Pritzker cousins who were each getting about 2 million a year (I worked for one) just because they were “family” and weren’t happy with it (also only 2 were working in the family business – Hyatt ans Marmon Group))because one was getting a little more than others and sued the family and each became billionaires overnight … …. you mean how hard they worked for it ?
and there are thousands more of trust fund babies raising more trust fund babies …………..
Pritzker Inheritance Row Reaches Settlement | forbes.com
Family fortunes? A legal settlement worth billions of dollars will end a bitter row over the inheritance the Chicago’s famed Pritzker family. The clan that controls the Hyatt hotels empire is one of the wealthiest in the world–but by no accounts is it the most cohesive. In 2002 then 19-year-old Liesel Pritzker launched a $6 billion lawsuit against her father, Robert, and 11 older cousins, accusing them of looting her trust funds and those of her brother, Matthew, 21. It focused attention the obsessively private family, and shed more light on a plan which Forbes first reported in September 2002, to carve up the $15 billion fortune that took the Pritzker forebears a century to build. It had been decided then that the empire would be split 11 ways between the Pritzker cousins over the period of a decade.
…… most of the Chicago Pritzkers were Democrats, only 1 I know of was a Republican (my boss) and he was the goofiest of the lot …………….
ad hoc nyms……it is actully “democratic”
You are another bush apologist moron.
Posted by: Apophis
You are so funny Capn America. You post under new NIC’s so you can’t be charged with abusing the boycott – but your mantra is the same!
The upside is now that the money is spread out more — they will have to give more to NFP’s etc …. several of the Pritzkers are very generous to Chicago charities and several are avid supporters of our soldiers (my boss is retired from the Illinois National Guard – where he was able to buy his way up to being a Lt.Col. —- and they made him an honorary Colonel at retirement right after he made a nice donation to the Illinois National Guard Association ….. — go figure)
The classic response to fraidy-cat “kansas,” is the classic Democratic standard:
“The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.”
As opposed to today’s Republic Party apologists. The only thing they have is fear.
to carve up the $15 billion fortune that took the Pritzker forebears a century to build
Don’t worry about that. When Hillary gets in town, she is going to bust up a lot of hard earned fortunes. Can’t have those sinfully rich keeping their OWN money now can we?
Oh, golly, “American Way” –
Thank goodness the billionaires have you around to defend their inherited fortunes… and to pay their taxes.
The fat cats of the Republic Party depend on you defenders of the American Way, sitting in your double-wides, getting raped by a tax code that protects million-dollar non-earned incomes from capital gains and sweetheart tax shelters for multi-million dollar salaries. All they have to do is tell you, “American Way,” that you might someday have a lottery-winner’s chance to join them in the billionaire’s club. But in the meantime, you’ll pay the taxes and they’ll write off thier fleet of Learjets and clip their coupons.
They’re playing you for a fool, “American Way.” If only you weren’t an amateur.
Fear MonkeyHawk?
The only fear I see are from the Dem Libs, sitting in the comfort of their collective fossil burning heated homes.
Laying around in their mother’s panties, the Dem Libs make assertions they can’t back up because they are too scared to dip a toe in the water of the World’s challenges.
You have such a familiarity with the term fear MonkeyHawk, you must be feeling it first hand as you constantly refer to it.
But what can you expect from the 11 percenters.
Ah MonkeyHawk, more of the same old Lib Democrite mantra – the Rich.
Like there are no millionaire and Billionaire Libs. Soros anyone?
Looks to me MonkeyHawk, your own Democratic millionaires and billionaires are playing you the “fool” by convincing you about the evils of making fortunes.
You bought it “hook, line and sinker,” and wearing the blinders of Liberalism fail to see the hypocrisy of your own party.
ad hoc nym#2…………I am definately NOT Capn America!
You are a fool boy; I am a regular here!
that you might someday have a lottery-winner’s chance to join them in the billionaire’s club.
Is that how you liberals look at life? The “haves” and “have nots”?You really BELIEVE the ONLY way you can get ahead is to win some lottery? How sad. How very, very sad.
Further, you don’t have to be a BILLIONAIRE to not want to see taxes increased. 200K for sure, but anyone over 100K is paying MORE because those BELOW don’t pay shit.
And you really think I’m working for “the man” Billionaire?
Inferority complex and jealousy is why you gotta SOCK TO TO EM, the rich, heh?
(sorry for slow response, watching KU win at A&M for first time since 1974. If they win, first 8 and 0 record since 1909!!!)
“I know you are but what am I” is a pretty lame debating tactic, even for you, “Kansas.”
Read back at the wingnuts’ posts earlier in this thread. You Cons are so afraid of Hillary, of terrorists under the bed, of poor children getting to see doctors, of billionaires paying their fair share of taxes and all you’ve got is 8th Grade playground taunts.
Your posts are really sad. Sometimes you show a modicum of intelligence. Sometimes. Then you revert to ad hominem insults and juvenile whining.
I really pity you, living on the government dole and trying against all logic to be a voice of Republic Party policies that are skillfully designed to earn your emotional support as they undermine your well-being.
“like there are no millionaire and Billionaire Libs. Soros anyone?”
Redundant? Miss the point? —-
“…… most of the Chicago Pritzkers were Democrats, only 1 I know of was a Republican (my boss) and he was the goofiest of the lot ……………. ”
Not about politics … the point was made that the whiners didn’t want to work for a living —- trust fund babies get something for nothing all parties (blood lines) —– and that’s ok for them to whine and sue for billions ……
MH
“…and trying against all logic to be a voice of Republic Party policies that are skillfully designed to earn your emotional support as they undermine your well-being…”
Sounds like a Cliff notes summary of “What’s the Matter with Kansas”Point well made.
But I submit that in many ways the Dems are in the same boat as the repubs……..
I really pity you, living on the government dole and trying against all logic to be a voice of Republic Party policies that are skillfully designed to earn your emotional support as they undermine your well-being.
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | October 27, 2007 at 08:37 PM
Nice try MonkeyHawk – too bad the independent thought alarm hasn’t gone off since you’ve been online today.
When one generalizes an entire populous with the spew you put out, it’s a wonder there isn’t a world-wide wretch alert amongst the thinking population.
Nailed it as usual Monkeyhawk.
Even better than you know.
Little wonder ya riled the grouchy old…disability dependent.
“ken” –
I realize how irrational it may seem to approach a forum such as WEBlog with a balanced opinion.
But I’ll try.
I’ve done okay in my career and am confident in my earnings and investments and prospects for the future. But I most certainly do not approve of the Republic Party philosophy which seems hell-bent to increase the the gap between the fabulously-wealthy Haves and the ever-growing majority of Have-Nots in American society.
Yes, of course, there will always be poor people. But when the tax and business and employment and healthcare, and transportation, and judicial systems all seem to be designed to favor the minority Haves to the obvious detriment of the ever-increasing Have-Not majority, the majority is likely to get cranky.
Nobody seems to pay attention to history anymore. But if you have a chance, read William Manchester’s “The Glory and the Dream.” Especially the chapter about 1932. Conservatives thses days don’t seem to understand how bad the Great Depression was in 1932, and how close America came to being a truly communist state (Stalin’s Russia looked good by comparison to Hoover’s America), or a truly fascist nation (Mussolini’s Italy was enough to encourage Germany to put Hitler into power).
Roosevelt had been a pretty ineffective governor, but considering how Hoover mishandled the Depression, there’s not a lot FDR could have done in New York. The first 100 Days of the New Deal where a hodgepodge of do-something, do-anything efforts that were, especially during FDR’s first term, way more than his capacity as a leader. Except for one thing: Franklin Delano Roosevelt believed in the inner strength of the American people.
Post-Reaganism has instilled a neo-Hooverism in American policy. Deregulation of financial markets and business threatens the basic infrastructure of democracy. And there’s still a lot that can happen until the 2008 presidential election.
I no longer think any Democrat can win next year by simply being the non-Bush. FDR won in ‘32 by being the non-Hoover. Whomever wins the Republic Party’s nomination will most certainly run as a non-Shrub.
So the Democrat must add something. Like a vision for the future.
That’s why I like Obama. That’s why I like Edwards. I respect Senator Clinton’s political savvy and if it were up to me she’d spend the rest of her political life as the moral compass of the United States Senate.
Bill Clinton won two terms by dividing business interests. He fought the Republics by using their own tactics. They’ve since turned their backs on what Reagan proclaimed was the New Republic Party Majority, and they’re paying the consequences.
A new Democratic majority will work to reestablish American priorities for American business. It’ll be harder for Hillary because of the irrational hatred the right wingnuts carry for her. But any other Democrat currently running for president can be counted on to turn this nation around and preserve what Ben Franklin called, “A republic, if you can keep it.”
Dupin: Your comments about the health thing as to costs and care in Canada is absolute nonsense. I’ve got family there and they just laugh when they hear these stories. Do you really think people of a nation so advanced and educated would just stand in line, in pain while being robbed blind? They vote there you know.
Sursum,
I have family there too! Northern Ontario. And you can watch ONE of them on TV!!!!
Yep. Ice Road Trucker. Young guy. Paid out his ASS when he needed emergency treatment. And they COME TO PHOENIX ARIZONA in the winter now. Why? Because they can get treatment in the Mayo Clinic there.
No doubt. Canadians, like most socialized medicine countries – RELY on the free enterprise and freedom’s of private healthcare.Canadian’s BIGGEST FEAR TODAY: THAT THE USA WILL ADOPT HILLERY CARE.
Ask yourself why that is.
Hillary is your moral conscience?Wow! You guys really are lost.
But I like your way of thinking Monkeyhawk. Hillery is pure socialist and republicans and RICH Americans know it.
You won’t win, without the support of small businesses (those making 200K annually, who are about to get taxed to death), and some rich votes.
Hillery divides where Obama unites. You need a few of those.
America is 49/51% afterall. You gotta fool a few to win.
Welcome to the forum “Monkeywrench” –
We all look forward to your future posts, since there’s no possible way you, “Monkeywrench,” could be a graffiti troll.
Y’know the damndest thing? Every Republic Party senator is on record as respecting Senator Clinton’s service in that chamber. She does her homework, her staff responds to constituent services, she shows up in committees and for votes (compare with Sam “the scam” Brownback) and presents a case for her perspective. Even when they (and I) disagree with her decisions, no one — from either party — is willing to accuse her of not being a superior legislator.
Sorry, “Monkeywrench,” but I strongly suspect you have no idea what you mean by “pure socialist” other than some of the Democratic Party’s policies make you cranky.
By comparison, and by every respected definition of the term, George WMD Bush and (The Big) Dick Cheney are “pure fascists.”
To today’s Republic Party loyalists, to be a liberal or gay or Hispanic or in any way overly-pigmented is pretty much like being gay, or overly-pigmented, or Jewish in 1930s Germany.
You offer the same rhetoric, the same tactics, the same political philosophy, “Monkeywrench.” You know you do.
You may think you can hide behind the nym “Monkeywrench” and convince readers of this forum you’re a brand new contributor to this forum, but you’re wrong.
On so many levels.
Yeah KU !!! great game at A&M —-
What’s the predictions on WSU and B’Ball —- fun watching / rooting for the Home team
GO BEARS !!!!!!!!!!
I’m the one flying the Beasrs flag from my porch and car —– if they do well — I masy host a tailgate party, Chicago Style, in my driveway ….
MonkeyHawk,
You made a very accurate post upthread at 8:37 PM.
Kansas “VALUES”, aka “Republican”, aka (long list) makes ignorant, false, and very unscientific claims that he cannot support.
“As I’ve said before, I’ve taken science classes, but my degree isn’t a science degree.”
Posted by: Republican | April 22, 2007 at 02:24 PM
“Earth’s axis rotation and solar activity has more to do with the arctic melting than co2. The albedo of poles are more susceptible to axis shift, thus more melting.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 13, 2007 at 07:19 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/polar-bears-fac.html#comment-82636247
“Me? I’m going with the 98 percent variable of natural climate change as the cause.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 14, 2007 at 02:38 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/polar-bears-fac.html#comment-82664655
Kansas “VALUES” has zero credible science to support his false claims. So he instead posts ad hominems, and lies about what I have posted.
Hawk
I share your opinions — well the ones I can get in the first 50 words or so —- I lose focus after that, after all your competing with George Carlin on HBO …………… followed by Bill Maher ……..
Cosmos
Did you have to start this late — couldn’t ya wait til tomorrow –
Great… somebody isn’t happy with someone else.
“Republican LIES about me again. I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.
And I’ve posted that the huge UNCERTAINTY re future climate is the main problem
If we knew EXACTLY how much it’d warm, how much the sea level would rise, we could plan for it.”
Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
Y’know the damndest thing? Every Republic Party senator is on record as respecting Senator Clinton’s service in that chamber. Posted by: MonkeyHawk | October 27, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Sources? MonkeyHawk don’t need no stinkin’ sources, he just makes this crap up as he is writing.
Kansas…you need to respect people… not citicize them!!
Yemen has commuted to house arrest the prison term of Jamal Badawi, a mastermind of al Qaeda’s 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, formerly sentenced to death, after he surrendered to Yemeni authorities. He is wanted in the USofA, which offered a $5 million reward for information leading to his arrest after his escape from jail in 2006, one of 23 terrorist “escapees”.Yemenis celebrated and cheered within view of the surviving USS Cole crew members in 2000, as they recovered their dead and dying shipmates. We should not be surprised that terrorists are running loose in Yemen after a sham sentencing, but we should tak harsh action against a government blatantly harboring and fostering terrorism.The 17 dead sailors have earned a better rest than turning over in their graves this way.
cosmos, please stop feeding soup to the troll. Particularly surprise feedings before it goes to bed.
Geez, “Kansas” –
My original statement, that Senator Clinton has universal respect from her colleagues for her service in the United States Senate, was based on more than seven years of news reports.
But, since you asked, I just did a Google search for Senator Clinton Republican respect, and got 93,200 hits.
If, somehow (but it’s not out of the realm of posibilitiy), the Theory of Gravity somehow became a political issue, with Democrats on the side of Gravity, trolls like “Kansas” would demand a web site source in a forum such as WEBlog.
Give it up, “Kansas.” Sit back and start arguing issues you might have a chance to win. Keep collecting those government checks and shut up about how the Republic Party or the “conservative” philosophy somehow represents your lot in life.
It’s long been pretty obvious that you’ve worked the system to guarantee yourself a taxpayer-funded living and under the cover of internet anonymity you amuse yourself by echoing Republic Party talking points.
When faced with facts, logic, or reason, you revert to ad hominem snarks against “libs” and, in the process, implicitly admit you refuse to read the evidence that proves you’re wrong. Consistently wrong. Dependably wrong. Absurdly wrong.
It’s also evident, when you’ve had your nose pushed into the s#it you posted, assorted graffiti trolls pop up on this forum in desperate attempts to defend your undefensible positions.
Back to the topic at hand — you hate when that happens, don’t you? — the evidence is clear that Senator best serves America as one of the most respected Senators in office. She’s a policy wonk and does her homework and serves her constituents and is an honored contributor to the discourse that frames national policy. (Read the 93,000 Google hits, “Kansas,” before you respond.)
She’s not my first choice as President of the United States, but she’s certainly up to the job.
It’s obvious that you, “Kansas,” will oppose whomever the Democrats nominate for the presidency in the 2008 election.
I want you to declare, here and now, which Republic Party nominee you support, complete with the reasons you reject other GOP candidates in favor of the one you choose.
Do it now, “Kansas.”
Give us all the positives of your chosen candidate.
Convince us.
ksgnostic,
I apologize…
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/open-thread-5.html#comment-75261378
And an update to my July 8, 2:44 PM post above,
‘Arctic sea ice loss compared to IPCC models’http://www.carbonequity.info/images/seaice07.jpg
“ken” –
Sorry to hear your attention deficit disorder makes you lose track of policy discussions that meander past 50 words.
Perhaps you should refrain from entering any dialog that can’t fit on a bumper sticker.
Have to ask you MonkeyHawk, if you meant a disabled Veteran in real life, would you talk to him the way you talk to me? I mean you use every opportunity to state how my disability makes me some ward of the government incapable of discussion because of that disability. Next time you see someone in a wheelchair, why don’t you go up to them and tell them how worthless they are and have no mind to speak their “say.”
It comes to a point where all the Libs are using my disability as a hammer point to try to “win blog points.”
It’s getting rather old and I don’t think you would do the same thing in life, why do it here?
meant a disabled Veteran
should read
met a disabled Veteran
Kansas…you need to respect people… not citicize them!!
Posted by: awinters | October 27, 2007 at 11:24 PM
Give that advice to your Lib friends, they don’t can’t seem to discuss anything with out referring to my disability.
It’s obvious that you, “Kansas,” will oppose whomever the Democrats nominate for the presidency in the 2008 election. Posted by: MonkeyHawk | October 28, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Actually no, I do like Bill Richardson.
However, I’m done for the tonight as you don’t seem to want to discuss with the cripple.
You know, you might get some of that on you.
And what is your disability?
i’m not going into the specifics of my injury – I have difficulty walking, sitting, standing, lying down. It’s a long list of spinal cord and vertebrae injuries.
Anyway, unimportant – just get tired of people abusing my disabled status on the blog to “win blog points”
Late now, church tomorrow – may be back tomorrow or will post Monday.
Your right Kansas…you do have problems… but if you let people use you then that is your own problem… we all have disabilities that we have to live with, what makes anybody’s worse than the next!
Any questions:
awinters01@sterling.edu
geesh another pompous ass rears his head — – getting crowded here
That’s it, “Kansas” –
Play the Victim Card.
Ignore the fact that if it weren’t for “Libs” you’d be forced to sell pencils on street corners to survive.
We’re supposed to belive that you can’t walk, sit, stand up, lie down and *our* tax dollars should be spent to provide you a living? Think about your “conservative” co-thinkers who resent *their* tax dollars contributing to health care of children who had the poor judgement to be born to poor people.
No, you say, it’s far more important others’ tax moneys should be spent killing brown people halfway around the world. Just so long as you, “Kansas,” get your check from the government every month.
But, of course, that’s a check from tax-payers.
You’ve been responsible for so many lies posted to this forum, why should any of us believe you can’t stand or sit or lie down or get up or walk or stand still without pain? Sounds like someone like that wouldn’t have time to bother with posting right wing-nut opinions on WEBlog.
Oh, but you’re such a true believer (thanks to your tax-payer-funded subsidy) you work against the pain to post right wingnut memes to the Internet, even through your personal anguish.
Damn! And they gave the Nobel Price to Mother Theresa instead of “Kansas!”
Would I say all this to your face? Try me. Name the place and time. Be sure to rent a wheelchair for the event. I’ll be there.
Check out END GAME –
http://www.prisonplanet.tv
A most interesting assessment…
It is such a shame that Kansas and his armyof Graffitti trolls want to consume the WEBlog. Even one who is disabled could find something to do besides constantly typing rubbish to the screen.
It is noteworthy that when the Troll Kansas cannot post anything related to a different point of view, he reverts to posting numerous ad hominems directed at other posters, or he succumbs to discussions about body parts, or bodily functions, or bodily excrement, or sexual preferences.
That is really such a sad state of affairs, I am surprised nobody has complained to the Editors of such nonsensical language directed at others.
Does that sort of thing have anything to do with this silly boycott I keep reading about?
Dupin: Nonsense again, I’d love to know to whom he paid to get this emergency care. If it was for chiro, phsio, drugs, dental, eyewear or other paramedical costs I can see that, those things are not covered. That you carry private insurance for apparently. Seems it is illegal to charge for medical services. A family member, married to a Canadian, now works in Toronto and raves about the system. It only covers catastrophic costs like the major medical plans that were around when I started working. He’s not a Canadian citizen but benefits from the system because he works there and pays taxes. PS: The whole world goes to the Mayo Clinic, but then Al Gore had to take his kid to Toronto for a certain (don’t know what it was) skilled care………
That blew me away!
Dupin: Someone just told me that there are tens upon tens of thousand of folks from Canuckistan in Arizona and other southern states in winter because their winters are so cold. Apparently they are called Snowbirds!
Great posts MonkeyHawk. Keep up the good work.
So…kansas must post standing on his head because he cant sit, stand, walk, lie down…
And he keeps talking about his wealth, how well his investment is doing, owning TWO houses almost paid for…
No means testing? ANY disability, other than veterans, would require him to dispose of his assets before collecting disability.
There are so many inconsistancies in his posts you could drive an ICE ROAD TRUCK through them.
But I especially love how he also says he has an internet business. And he clearly spends all day and night blogging here, on his head, presumably, I wonder how VERY wealthy he would be if he actually worked for a living instead of living off the taxpayers dime?
Hehehehehe. I guess he took germies advise and planned ahead for that “disability”.
Nice scam Kansas. Wonder if anyone at the VA knows about it?
Wait for him to whine and hide behind that diabled veteran story in 3…2…1….
Heheheh. He reminds me of that bumper sticker from the 70’s about “Dont bitch about agriculture with your mouth full.”
For him, it should read “dont bitch about liberal programs and government handouts when you are stuffing your pockets with them…”
What I am saying is why bring up my disabilities every time in a topic when Libs want to try to find a point to hammer me with.
You Libs are despicable and extremely selfish, two-faced and personal attacks.
I was granted the right for disability payment because of my sacrifice and injuries occurred while serving in the military.
No wonder the left is hated so much, they even spit upon the disabled veterans of the United States.
Leftist Libs have no honor, no sanctity of honor for those who served.
My disability does not belong in the topic of conversation here and to do so is beyond the pale and truly shows what kind of people you really are.
My disability does not belong in the topic of conversation here and to do so is beyond the pale and truly shows what kind of people you really are.
Posted by: Kansas | October 28, 2007 at 02:09 PM
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You’re alwys bringing it up, Kansas… live with it!! Maybe if you back off of other peoples’ vocations, or illnesses, people might back off of yours!! Until then, hey, you asked for it, and you will keep getting it!!
YOU brought your disablility here JM Kansas. No one can use anything against you if you do not proudly wave it.
And those injuries of yours? Oh yeah, I’m sorry you have them. They do NOT entitle you to be the greatest force of distraction and destruction this blog has ever known. And I know having been here from the beginning.
And the incidence that laid you low? What was that? You’ve variously described it as “Iraqui missile parts flying past my canopy” to “a simple accident”.
Which is it?
I’m sorry for you JM Kansas truly. And what I know of you tells me you do some good work.
Why not expand on that instead of proudly being this blogs biggest pain?