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Open thread 10/18
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Oct. 18, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.
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The letter is up to $117,100.00!
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
Like anybody really cares?? Maybe its “Phoney Money” LOL
“The letter is up to $117,100.00!”
How terribly exciting, do you have some wood, Nathan?
OK everybody… this is from Sen. Pat Roberts (R) KS —-
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/roberts-do-not-.html
Check it out, and Please, get your facts straight in your posts today??? Please??? Lets get it done for the kids….
Democratic Party Candidates STill taking Campaign contributions from criminals
“Law firm’s gifts to Democrats bring questionsDespite scandal, top candidates still taking donations from Milberg Weiss
by Mike McIntire
The New York Times
Over the years, as it became Exhibit A for critics of shareholders’ class-action lawsuits, the law firm of Milberg Weiss often enjoyed the support of Democrats who called the suits an invaluable weapon in the universal conflict between big business and the little guy.
The Democrats, in turn, enjoyed the support of Milberg Weiss and its partners, who together contributed more than $7 million to the party’s candidates since the 1980s.
Last year, the firm was indicted on federal charges of fraud and bribery. But the political partnership has not been entirely severed. Since the indictment, 26 Democrats around the country, including four presidential candidates, have accepted $150,000 in campaign contributions from people connected to Milberg Weiss, according to state and federal campaign finance records. And some Democrats have taken public actions that potentially helped the firm or its former partners.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21353422/
“And some Democrats have taken public actions that potentially helped the firm or its former partners.”
Then, those Democrats need to be investigated along with the law firm’s indictment… Gotta stop this darned corruption in politics… if possible…
Political Money: Kansas Campaign Finance Disclosure Less of a Problem Than AWOL Kansas Press?
A national group gave Kansas a “D” grade on campaign disclosure (we deserve a “B”), but this assessment is unfair especially given how awful the Kansas Press is reporting political money stories.
http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2007/10-18.htm
Dang Meadowlark, you are so thorough. Journalists could take some lessons from you.
:) there already did Knasas… Its called Fox News.
I did not know how to do a smiley face! Thanks Capt.
Why does Kansas only point out the Democrats taking money from criminals? Where are the Republicans taking tainted money?
We all know that both sides of the aisle takes money from criminals. Case in point, K-Street operations during the 6 years of the Bush Administration. Remember, Jack Abramhoff?
I agree with Chas – investigate EVERYBODY that is involved – not just the Democrats that Kansas likes to pull out of the air and try to make it like it something new.
Why does Kansas only point out the Democrats taking money from criminals? Where are the Republicans taking tainted money? Posted by: indy | October 18, 2007 at 04:06 AM
Because it a current story?
“The letter is up to $117,100.00!”
Some fool and his money are fixing to be parted.
Some fool and his money are fixing to be parted.
Posted by: Blue Maxx | October 18, 2007 at 04:57 AM
Funny thing about eBay auctions. Sometimes things get run way up but don’t get paid for. Remember when the General Lee off “Dukes of Hazard” got run up to 2 million?
This story about the so called “superbug” staff infection is getting way overplayed. The news people need to quit trying to scare people over nothing.
Republican perverts and criminals. The list is cut short because of restrictions on space:
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repub_scandals_10_17_07.php
Dang Meadowlark, you are so thorough. Journalists could take some lessons from you.
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 02:00 AM
Kansas, suck up much?
Kansas, suck up much?
Posted by: Blue Maxx | October 18, 2007 at 07:15 AM
I don’t know who he is, but he is very well organized and an excellent researcher.
How “middle school” of you to use such a phrase when a person receives a compliment.
How “middle school” of you to use such a phrase when a person receives a compliment.
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 07:22 AM
Just asking. It sounded like the virtual version of toe-tapping under the stall to me.
Just asking. It sounded like the virtual version of toe-tapping under the stall to me.
Posted by: Blue Maxx | October 18, 2007 at 07:42 AM
You should know, you’re the expert on the matter.
Let’s hear it for socialized medicine !!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071015/wl_uk_afp/britainhealthdentists
You should know, you’re the expert on the matter.
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 07:43 AM
God, the drain on your intellect that response must have required.
God, the drain on your intellect that response must have required.
Posted by: Blue Maxx | October 18, 2007 at 07:53 AM
Just acknowledging your expertise on public restroom “toe-tapping.”
Just acknowledging your expertise on public restroom “toe-tapping.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 07:56 AM
Just acknowledging the strain this must be putting on your intellect.
Hooray for socialized medicine!I can’t wait for this to get to the states.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071015/wl_uk_afp/britainhealthdentists
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 07:56 AMJust acknowledging the strain this must be putting on your intellect.
Posted by: Blue Maxx | October 18, 2007 at 07:59 AM
No strain, however for one to conceptualize there is a strain must indicate more on those asserting the premise of them having a basic understanding of what intellect is and isn’t.
Aye Sol,
The joke about the condition of British dental health (bad teeth) has long been the brunt of jokes.
No strain, however for one to conceptualize there is a strain must indicate more on those asserting the premise of them having a basic understanding of what intellect is and isn’t.
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 08:01 AM
Phap. Phap,Phap,Phap!
Only in the dark wasteland of your imagination.Go to the back of the class.
How many HMO/PPO plans include Dental now??? My insurance doesnt include Dental coverage… That is an extra item… and not cheap.
I have to pay for my Dental Insurance Chas. Dental Care for retired military was done away with decades ago.
Dental Care Insurance I should have said.
I just enjoy slapping you around, because you are blue like a smurf. :)
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 08:08 AM
I’m being slapped around? What’s next? Will you scratch my eyes out?
Whut a sissy.
I was wondering how much are the health insurance companies paying for things like cosmetic elective procedures? Can’t seem to find a reasonably definitive statistic.
Maxx,
He’s threatening to “rip ****holes” on the neighboring Open Thread.
I think someone has an unhealthy obsession with violence, and with violence on people’s rectums.
Ken, no insurance coverage I know pays for elective cosmetic procedures. I had to fight tooth and nail to get them to do my reconstuctive surgery after my cancer surgery and treatment. Since then it’s become law that they have to. I seriously doubt any insurer is going to pay for someone’s nose job.We need government subsidized healthcare for everyone who is a citizen in this country. It should be a right to have access to affordable healthcare in the richest country on earth. There is no excuse or reason not to.
I think you’ll find that top managers and executives get the sort of health insurance that allows for such surgeries. I’d also bet that those at the top, who should be among the healthiest Americans, will get the most benefit from their health insurance policies.
I think someone has an unhealthy obsession with violence, and with violence on people’s rectums.
Posted by: Tom | October 18, 2007 at 08:34 AM
I’m glad I didn’t mention that the guy is “anal retentive”.
Well. Looks like Sam’s ready to throw in the towel.
http://kansas.com/news/updates/story/203812.html
According to the tagline of the story, “he is widely expected to seek the Kansas governor’s office in 2010.”
Oh. With that sterling record of accomplishment in the Senate as the wind at his back? I don’t think Senator Brownback’s efforts on behalf of Darfur are going to endear him to the rabid Wingnut base, if y’all get my drift.
Is this Sam’s effort to gain ‘executive experience’ for a future Presidential bid? Gawd.
Notice: Continuation of the National Emergency with Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks
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Consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, in Proclamation 7463, with respect to the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, New York, New York, the Pentagon, and aboard United Airlines flight 93, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States.
Because the terrorist threat continues, the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, last extended on September 5, 2006, and the powers and authorities adopted to deal with that emergency, must continue in effect beyond September 14, 2007. Therefore, I am continuing in effect for an additional year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, with respect to the terrorist threat.
This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.
GEORGE W. BUSH
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/09/20070912-2.html
“Notice: Continuation of the National Emergency with Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks”
aka Let’s Invade the World!
aka Martial Law Coming to Your Country Soon!
I have to pay for my Dental Insurance Chas. Dental Care for retired military was done away with decades ago.
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 08:25 AM
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How nice of you to share… I ws wondering if Dental coverage was included in many HMO/PPO type plans…. I guess we can eliminate the military from that list…
Rox — we just gotta get rid of that guy, or else get him a role on “24″ LOL
THE DEMOCRATS WILL LOVE THIS, THE REPUBLICANS WILL HATE IT!As for me, I am just sick that I found it! I keep looking for something that will make me believe this country is not being run by a bunch of delusional kooks. I believed David Brock and often quoted him back during the Clinton years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uE_whPDUY
CF, you got to it before I did darn it.
WOOLLY BULLY!
Hastert resigning as early as Thanksgiving, another Republican doing the right thing. When will Roberts see the light? It’s time for the Republicans who’ve done so much to help damage this country to make atonement for their sins.
Good link, writer dog. I never believed any of it. Not once, and couldn’t see how anyone could. I also didn’t believe Clinton was dumb enough to boff Monica in the oval office. My bad!
Oh yeah; every single american should be tied to the barn and forced to watch this program, writer dog.
I have to pay for my Dental Insurance Chas. Dental Care for retired military was done away with decades ago.
Posted by: Kansas | October 18, 2007 at 08:25 AM
You can still get it for free at military clinic’s/VA space available. There is also a reduced DELTA Dental available for retiree’s.
October 09, 2007, 6:00 a.m.
Hillary Clinton, Socialist StillLeft-wing blonde ambition.
By Deroy Murdock
October 09, 2007, 6:00 a.m.
Hillary Clinton, Socialist StillLeft-wing blonde ambition.
By Deroy Murdock
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NmVhMzIwNGM2MzBlZjgyYzAyNzc0ZTVmMzA3YzZlMDY=
Interesting, almost all the Hsu donors changed their minds and decided not to contribute to Hillary’s campaign.
It probably wasn’t their money in the 1st place! Why not keep the free gift refund?
Poor Hillary is SOL on $850,000.
Hsu Donors Keep RefundsFew Return MoneyTo Clinton Coffers;$1,000 for BraceletBy T.W. FARNAMOctober 17, 2007; Page A12
When Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign last month mailed 250 checks to refund contributions to donors associated with jailed fund-raiser Norman Hsu, the campaign said it was open to having them contribute again directly. As of the end of September, only 10 had decided to do so, according to the campaign’s most recent campaign-finance filings.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119258724837761551.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Hastert’s resigning so he can spend more time with his lawyers.
As of this summer, more than 185,000 Guard members had served in either Iraq or Afghanistan over the past six years and more than 28,000 of them had been deployed more than once.Posted by: i will continue to screw you and be relevent suckers.
Yes and just think of how many MORE TIMES they will get to deploy until 2013 under President Hillary Clinton.
Chas. JR, I looked to see if you responded to my question last night after I went to bed. Upon review of the later posts, I can see why.
I’d still like to know.
All the democrats have pledged to either raise taxes, and the majority in congress has already stated they will NOT re-new the Bush tax cuts.
The 15% on capital gains will expire.
What would you do? It is a substantial part of our nest egg.
Withdraw now at 15%, or wait until government takes 33%?
On 100K, I either owe fed$15,000 now, or risk $33,000 after the election. The reason it is important NOW, is because I suspect the new tax laws will be retro-active, possibly to Jan 2008.
Thanks
I don’t care what you do with your money.
If you are asking me if I want the bush tax cuts repealed?
Yup.
Ditto the repeal of the estate tax.
Capital gains tax also needs restored.
You Republicans are always carping about personal responsibility. Well, it’s about time this country stopped catering to the un-needy few.
American Way, while I’m not one asked, a small comment; if the tax cuts are repealed, as you fear, the earliest retroactive date I can envision would be January, 2009. Thus, you’ve another year to plan.
Don’t forget (to the extent applicable) the state income tax rate.
Glenn Greenwald’s thoughts on neocon “meritocracy”:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/10/16/neonepotism/index.html
Capital gains taxed at 33% will not effect the average American. Only those who make their capital gains on something other than non-taxed savings, or stocks, or have already used their 55 plus deduction.
It will hit the wealthy, who can afford to pay it, and should. When I read about fat cats snivelling about paying too much income tax, I gotta laugh. Many Americans would be very happy if they earned enough to pay any taxes. The tax base in this country is anything BUT fair.
Deroy Murdock is a neo-con who still thinks Sadaam was involved in 9/11. Not what I would call a good source for much of anything. His diatribe about the child health bill bush vetoed shows just how far he will go to make things fit his beliefs. Typical neo-con rushisms.
Yes and just think of how many MORE TIMES they will get to deploy until 2013 under President Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Who’s the sucker now? | October 18, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Who made those people join the Guard? Were they all drafted? Did they think the Guard was all rosy duty, cleaning up after tornados and sh*t like that?
Many Americans would be very happy if they earned enough to pay any taxes. The tax base in this country is anything BUT fair.
Posted by: stumper | October 18, 2007 at 01:10 PM
Poor stumper, doesn’t earn enough of his own money, so he has to hold out his tin cup and take the money from his neighbors.
Quit sniveling about not earning enough money stumper, get off your lazy a** and go earn some money!
Don’t forget (to the extent applicable) the state income tax rate.
Posted by: Vaughn Tolle
I didn’t forget state and thanks for the 2009 date. It did cross my mind, but I seem to remember a year when they retroactively screwed me.
I tried telling the people screaming for more of my money – that when you add state and a few other complexities I have, I’m paying them close to 45% of my pay now. If you throw FICA and Medicare, that’s a big chunk of change!
At any rate, JR and Stumper are going to be surprised. (JR this is the capital gains tax we were discussing, I should not have assumed you didn’t know that.)
33% is not rich.
Additionally, many, many Americans have mutual funds. Hopefully – lot’s or middle class people have been saving using them. All the trillions in MF’s are not from millionaires.
This is the shocker.
In the example, if someone cashes in now – maybe to move to a low tax or no tax investment vehicle:
You only pay 15% FedKS 6% (I think,because they compute based upon Fed 1040)
So 21% is taxed.
I either give the government
$21,000 now or:
Capt Gains expires: 33% Fedks 6%
So $39,000 goes to the government.
I knew the answer. So did JR and Chas. But they couldn’t bear the thought of telling me the truth.Take the money and run. They wouldn’t give it to the government either.
So $39,000 goes to the government.Posted by: American Way | October 18, 2007 at 02:27 PM
I’m calling BS on this one. You only pay tax on the profit you earned, not the total. If you sell $100,000 in stock and it’s all gain, I wanna know where you’re investing.
They would probably have an exemption on part of the capital gains tax, Democrats aren’t into going after small fry, they want the big fish that have been getting all the chum.
I see that the jury pool has been finalized for cheevers trial. His mother should be proud that she tried to intimidate a prospective juror, she should spend some time for tampering
“Capital gains taxed at 33% will not effect the average American. It will hit the wealthy, who can afford to pay it, and should.”
Stumper, I think you will be surprised to see how many Americans this affects.
For 2007 (make = taxable income):If you make $31,850 you are at 25%If you make $64,250 you are at 28%If you make $97,925 you hit 33%
You don’t have to be rich to save money and invest. In fact, you probably NEED to be more than those making more.
So nearly anyone $31K could possibly be affected by cashing in stocks or mutual funds (not in a retirement account) after the increase.
The letter is up to $275,100.00!
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
Do you liberals love the irony?
The letter attacking Rush for supposedly not supporting the troops is now going to support the family members of those who have lost a parent in the war.
I earned a $100,000 gain on a $10,000 investment in cattle futures.
That’s not unusual.
I’m calling BS on this one. You only pay tax on the profit you earned, not the total. Blue Maxx
And you should. And you are correct. You only pay on the “gain” that has been held at least twelve months.
Oh gee, I better clarify this further.
If held less than 12 months you pay a higher rate today. Held over 12 months is the 15%. Sorry
The letter attacking Rush for supposedly not supporting the troops is now going to support the family members of those who have lost a parent in the war.Posted by: Nathan | October 18, 2007 at 03:08 PM
For the first time in his miserable life, comedian Rush Limbaugh is good for something. Do you radicons understand THAT irony?
I didn’t think so.
So American Way, a recent retiree, who has saved $400,000 in stock/bond funds over a 40 year working career, instead of taking out $30,000/year to supplement my Social Security, I should take it all out now, pay the 15% tax on the gain, then reinvest it?
My gain is close to $300,000.
.15 x 300,000 = $45,000 tax today.
I’m in the 25% bracket after retirement, so my tax after Hillary raises it might be:
.25 x 300,000 = $75,000.
So I pay $30,000 less on my gain if I cash-in now, then reinvest it all?
Who’s to say Hillary won’t raise the 25% bracket up to 30%?
Over $31,000 puts you in the top 50% of income tax filers, so you are rich!
Yes Judge, something like that.I probably should not have used 100K as an example, but I was trying to illustrate the difference in taxes paid in a manner which people can easily see the savings/loss.
Some might see a $300,000 gain as a lot of money, but saving it up over 40 years really added up!
$400,000 isn’t really much of a nest egg to retire on nowdays.
I may even have to pay taxes for the 2nd time on my Social Security. Not sure yet.
Can you imagine, paying $75,000 in taxes on a $300,000 gain that’s supposed to last me for the rest of my life?
And the Democrats want to raise taxes? Good god!
It took me almost 20 years to save up my first $75,000 in mutual funds, now the IRS is gonna take that all at once.
Great news! Permits for two 700-megawatt coal-fired plants denied.
‘KDHE rejects coal plants in Western Kansas’http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/oct/18/kdhe_rejectsapproves_coal_plants_western_kansas/
“Kansas Department of Health and Environment Secretary Roderick Bremby issued the order, saying, “I believe it would be irresponsible to ignore emerging information about the contribution of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to climate change and the potential harm to our environment and health if we do nothing.” ”
More at,http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/oct/18/text_kdhe_announcement_coal_plant_permits_western_/?breaking
Judge you might want to pick up the November issue of Money magazine. The issue is dedicated to retirement.
When you add it all up, and the opportunities of SS/medicare, you need quite a bundle.
400K at the recommended 4% annual withdrawal rate is only $16K a year.
SS average monthly check for single people retiring at full benefits on Jan. 1 will be $1,361. It gets worse the further out you are.
An average retiree in 2042, one of today’s twentysomethings, would get a Social Security check for only $1,080 a month in today’s dollars, 27% less than the $1,478 he or she is currently slated for, according to the Actuary.
It’s not a lot of money. Ignorant people actually would call you RICH and GREEDY. Not thinking that unlike THEM, you spend a life time crimping to save and invest.
Uh, American Way; the tax rates you posted at 3:06 pm are for “Married, Filing Separately” for 2007. This may well be your filing status.
For general information, Federal Income Tax Rates for 2007, using the three bracket rates illustrated by American Way, Supra:
Single:
25% is imposed at $31,850 taxable income;
28% is imposed at $77,100 taxable income;
33% is imposed at $160,850 taxable income.
Married Filing Jointly:
25% is imposed at $63,700 taxable income;
28% is imposed at $128,500 taxable income;
33% is imposed at $195,850 taxable income.
Head of Household:
25% is imposed at $42,650 taxable income;
28% is imposed at $110,100 taxable income;
33% is imposed at 178,350 taxable income.
These rates and other information may be viewed at http://www.irs.gov.
Funny, NJ is a Blue State and they don’t like high taxes. Maybe they will be a Red State next year.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303159,00.html
Poll Finds Almost Half of New Jersey Adults Want to Move Out of StateThursday, October 18, 2007By Sara Bonisteel
Even New Jerseyans can’t stand living in New Jersey, according to a new poll that said nearly half of adults residing in the Garden State want to pull up stakes.
The Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey Poll, released Wednesday, found 49 percent of those polled would rather live somewhere else.
New Jersey already is suffering from an image problem and bears the brunt of jokes because of its corruption and pollution problems. But 58 percent of those residents polled said the heavy financial burden of just living in the state is no laughing matter, and that’s why they want to leave.
The “Harry Reid and the Democrats” smear letter is up to $851,100 on Ebay!
Dear Tom,
The ‘Letter’ is now up to $851,100.00! There is speculation that the ‘big money’ isn’t in the bidding yet!
Rush has also pledged to match the final amount!
Tom, you are the one that doesn’t understand irony or Rush. I’ve listened to Rush on and off for years. He has always had great respect and support for our men and women in the service. Always.
The real irony that is lost on left-wing democratic kool-aid drinkers is that a letter that condemns Rush for an insult to the troops that he never made is now being used to raise over a million dollars (so far) for the children of these very troops!
Hank
Hey outlander!
I was typing when you posted. How high do you think it will go?
Hank
I have no idea Hank. It’s already gone way higher than I imagined it would. Looking at the bids, it looks like we have two stubborn bidders going after it.
American Way, the tax is on capital gains. Who it affects is kinda irrelevant in that paying the government for the services it provides should be part and parcel to what this country is.
You got pessimism: They’re taking my money.
You got optimism: I have more money now, then I did before my capital gains. (Not income)
Ever hear a lottery winner whine about how much taxes he/she paid on their windfall? Kinda falls in the same bag, in my book.
In other words, if you are for the war in Iraq, and against the capital gains tax, you are stepping into the realm of pure hypocrisy. Who, exactly, would one have fund the war, if not with taxes? Does it not stand to reason, then, making a sacrifice, as it were, and paying a higher tax rate to fund the war, be in keeping with ones belief supporting the war?
Or does one just leave that to the other guy.
If you’re in the 25% tax bracket after retirement, you’ve got it made. That’s a considerable pension amt.If you’re not at those income levels, you could draw it out in supplemental increments and stay in the lower tax brackets
Members of the anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church are urging Fred Thompson to support their stance on homosexuality — a position on which they say the Republican presidential candidate once “saw eye to eye” with them.
Thompson was hired for a mid-1980s legal case in Kansas on the recommendation of Margie Phelps, daughter of Westboro founder Fred Phelps.
The Topeka, Kan.-based church is now best known for protesting at soldiers’ funerals, claiming their deaths are retribution for the nation’s acceptance of homosexuality.
Thompson campaign spokeswoman Karen Hanretty on Wednesday dismissed the church as “a radical fringe group, looking to draw attention to themselves.” Read more here:” http://tinyurl.com/ywr3b7
“Withdraw now at 15%, or wait until government takes 33%?”– Amer. Way –
I didnt answer that, because I was pretty sure your 33% figure was not accurate… I see Vaughn has informed you of that as well..
$31,850 a year is rich? You have it made on $31,850 a year?
You gotta be sh*ttin me!
Chas., his 33% figure IS accurate if his filing status is married filing separately. There are some who choose this status. However, if his status is otherwise, then the applicable rates for the other filing statuses apply.
Amend the 4:47 pm post supra by adding “or are forced, for one of several reasons to file with this” after the word “choose” in line 2.
31k from a pension plan or from something other than SS, ain’t that bad.
If it is wages being referred to, just wait until retirement when your income takes a nose dive, before taking it out.
The kind of greed head penny pinchers that are Rush fans, I bet the thing is going up 10 cents a bid.
A country that can’t provide it’s citizens health care.
And people with that kind of money to piss into the wind.
Sickening.
J R,
The money is going to charity. It’s a good cause.
http://www.mc-lef.org/Index.asp
Hank (long time Rush fan)
Uh huh
I saw the list of the chairs on that charity.
Too? I heard the frog mouth brag the other day that he gets $20,000 for a 30 second commercial.
SO the letter is now worth about 43 commercials. He does that many in a week.
Only $20,000.00 for twenty seconds? That’s a lot cheaper than I thought!
So. . . did you go to their website? Then you probably saw where the money is going. Have you got a problem with scholarships for military children?
hmmm. . .
Hank
There must be a ton of conservatives listening to Rush, if he’s getting $20,000 for a 30-second commercial.
No
Except everyone is doing it.Hannity has one with Oliver North, Levin has one I think. There are others.I don’t place a lot of faith in charities of any sort. Especially when there is more than one or two dedicated to a particular cause. :ots of waste in duplicated administration. And I mean in environmetal groups too.
Yes, we should get rid of all charities.
That’s what government is for.
If those Al-Quida idiots keep doing stuff like this, Pakistan may just ask us to clean up their badlands!Blasts near Bhutto kill 126 in Pakistan By MATTHEW PENNINGTON and PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writers
1 minute ago
KARACHI, Pakistan – A suicide bombing in a crowd welcoming former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto killed at least 126 people Thursday night, shattering her celebratory procession through Pakistan’s biggest city after eight years in exile.
ADVERTISEMENTTwo explosions went off near a truck carrying Bhutto, but police and officials of her party said she was not injured and was hurried to her house. An Associated Press photo showed a dazed-looking Bhutto being helped away.
Officials at six hospitals in Karachi reported 126 dead and 248 wounded. It was believed to be the deadliest bomb attack in Pakistan’s history.
Bhutto flew home to lead her Pakistan People’s Party in January parliamentary elections, drawing cheers from supporters massed in a sea of the party’s red, green and black flags. The police chief said 150,000 were in the streets, while other onlookers estimated twice that.
The throngs reflected Bhutto’s enduring political clout, but she has made enemies of Islamic militants by taking a pro-U.S. line and negotiating a possible political alliance with Pakistan’s military ruler, President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.
An estimated 20,000 security officers had been deployed to protect Bhutto and her cavalcade of motorized rickshaws, colorful buses, cars and motorcycles in the streets of Pakistan’s largest city.
Authorities had urged Bhutto to use a helicopter to reduce the risk of attack amid threats from extremists sympathetic to the Taliban and al-Qaida, but she brushed off the concerns.
“I am not scared. I am thinking of my mission,” she had told reporters on the plane from Dubai. “This is a movement for democracy because we are under threat from extremists and militants.”
Last month, Bhutto told CNN she realized she was a target. Islamic militants, she said, “don’t believe in women governing nations, so they will try to plot against me, but these are risks that must be taken. I’m prepared to take them.”
Leaving the airport, Bhutto refused to use a bulletproof glass cubicle that had been built atop the truck taking her to the tomb of Pakistan’s founding father, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, to give a speech. She squeezed between other party officials along a railing at the front and rode high above the street.
Her procession had been creeping toward the center of Karachi for 10 hours, moving at a snail’s pace while dancing and cheering supporters swarmed around the truck, when a small explosion erupted near the front of the vehicle.
That was quickly followed by a larger blast just a few feet from the truck, setting an escorting police van on fire and breaking windows in Bhutto’s vehicle. Party members on top of the truck scrambled to the ground, one man jumping while others climbed down a ladder or over the side.
Christina Lamb, Bhutto’s biographer, said the former premier had just gone to a downstairs compartment in the truck for a rest when the blast went off.
“She knew she was a target, I was talking to her about it …. she was worried that the lights were going off, the street lights, and that snipers could be on tops of buildings and bridges,” Lamb told Sky News. “Luckily the bus had a downstairs enclosed compartment for her to go and rest in, and she just happened to be there when it went off, so she wasn’t on top in the open like rest of us, so that just saved her.”
“Evidence available at the scene is suggesting it was a suicide bombing … (that) exploded near police vehicles, destroying the two police vans escorting Benazir Bhutto’s truck,” police officer Raja Umer Khitab said. He said several policemen died.
“Evidence available at the scene is suggesting it was a suicide bombing and … exploded near police vehicles destroying the two police vans escorting Benazir Bhutto’s truck,” police officer Raja Umer Khitab said. He said several policemen died.
At the scene of the attack, bodies lay motionless in the street, under a mural reading “Long Live Bhutto” on the side of the truck.
“People were shouting for help but there was no one to help them out. It smelled like blood and smoke,” said AP photographer B.K. Bangash, who was 150 feet from Bhutto’s truck when he heard a small blast just before midnight.
The bombs exploded just after the truck crossed a bridge about halfway from the airport to the tomb.
Pools of blood, broken glass, tires, motorcycles and bits of clothing littered the ground. Men carried the injured away from burning cars. One bystander came upon a body, checked for signs of life, and moved on.
Some of the injured were rushed into a hospital emergency room on stretchers, and others were carried in rescuers’ arms. Many of the wounded were covered in blood, and some had their clothes ripped off.
Karachi has a history of violent attacks by Islamic militants, but Thursday’s was believed to be the deadliest. In 2006, a suicide bombing killed 57 people, including the leaders of a Sunni Muslim group.
The United States condemned “the violent attack in Pakistan and mourns the loss of innocent life there,” said Gordon Johndroe, foreign affairs spokesman for President Bush. “Extremists will not be allowed to stop Pakistanis from selecting their representatives through an open and democratic process.”
Richard Haass, president of the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations, said the attack reveals “one of the fundamental realities of Pakistan today is that the government is not in total control of the country.”
He said he did not think Musharraf would declare a state of emergency, saying there were more serious challenges to state authority recently, like the standoff between militants and police at Islamabad’s Red Mosque.
The bloodshed marred what had been a jubilant day for Bhutto. She received a rapturous welcome from tens of thousands of supporters, many craning from tree branches and foot bridges to glimpse her return.
The 54-year-old politician wept for joy.
“I feel very, very emotional coming back to my country,” Bhutto told AP Television News at the airport, after passing under a Quran held over her head as she got off the plane.
“I dreamt of this day for so many months, and years. I counted the hours, the minutes and the seconds just to see this land, sky and grass. I’m so emotionally overwhelmed,” she said, dressed in green with a white head scarf to match Pakistan’s national flag.
Bhutto had paved her route back to Pakistan through negotiations with Musharraf, a longtime political rival whose rule she has often condemned but whose proclaimed mission to defeat Islamic extremism she shares.
The talks yielded an amnesty covering the corruption charges that made Bhutto leave Pakistan, and could lead to a political alliance uniting moderates in parliamentary elections for a fight against militants allied with al-Qaida and the Taliban.
U.S. officials are believed to still favor Musharraf, despite his sagging popularity, over his two main civilian rivals — Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, the elected premier ousted by the general in a 1999 coup and sent back into exile when he tried to return last month.
Washington considers Musharraf a source of stability in a nuclear-armed country fighting militants along the border with Afghanistan, an area where Osama bin Laden may be hiding.
Still, amid the uncertainty that parliamentary elections will establish a U.S.-friendly government, the United States wants Pakistan to at least keep moving toward democracy — and Bhutto’s return could help that goal.
Musharraf had urged Bhutto to delay her return because of political uncertainty in Pakistan, including a pending court challenge to his presidential election victory this month.
The Supreme Court will rule soon on whether he was eligible to compete in the vote by lawmakers, since he also holds the post of army chief. If he is confirmed for a new five-year presidential term, Musharraf has promised to quit the military and restore civilian rule.
Bhutto said there was still a long way to go in political reconciliation with Musharraf, but added that she expected the court to decide in his favor. “If the court did not stop his election, it’s unlikely to stop the result of that election,” she said.
After flying in, Bhutto declared she returned to fight for democracy and to help Pakistan shake off its reputation as a hotbed of international terrorism.
“That’s not the real image of Pakistan. The people that you see outside are the real image of Pakistan. These are the decent and hardworking middle-classes and working classes of Pakistan who want to be empowered so they can build a moderate, modern nation,” she said.
Bhutto became leader of the Pakistan People’s Party more than two decades ago after the military’s 1979 execution of its founder, her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, a populist prime minister still exalted by many Pakistanis as the finest leader in the country’s 60-year history.
She served twice as the democratically elected prime minister between 1988 and 1996 — the first female premier in the Muslim world — but both governments fell amid allegations of corruption and misrule. After Musharraf seized power, she was charged with illegally amassing properties and bank accounts overseas while in office and she left Pakistan
Clinton’s Culture of Corruption Campaign Crisis Continues
Accused Law Firm Continues Giving to Democrats
By MIKE McINTIREPublished: October 18, 2007Over the years, as it became Exhibit A for critics of shareholders’ class action lawsuits, the law firm of Milberg Weiss often enjoyed the support of Democrats who called the suits an invaluable weapon in the universal conflict between big business and the little guy.
The Democrats, in turn, enjoyed the support of Milberg Weiss and its partners, who together have contributed more than $7 million to the party’s candidates since the 1980s.
Last year, the firm was indicted on federal charges of fraud and bribery. But the political partnership has not been entirely severed. Since the indictment, 26 Democrats around the country, including four presidential candidates, have accepted $150,000 in campaign contributions from people connected to Milberg Weiss, according to state and federal campaign finance records. And some Democrats have taken public actions that potentially helped the firm or its former partners.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/us/politics/18milberg.html?ref=business
Looks like the charges are in dispute. Even if convicted, if there was no quid pro quo, where’s the beef.Damn times will print anything, right?
The Phantom,
Indeed. I read the story, and as soon as I got the line comparing trial lawyers to “economic terrorists,” it became pretty clear what the writer’s agenda was.
Frankly, given the fact that the Justice Department appears to have railroaded Governor Don Siegelman of Alabama at Karl Rove’s behest, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of reason to think this prosecution is anything more than political tampering by the Bush Administration.
I hope the dems get any money anywhere they can. I don’t CARE who is corrupt anymore.
“Do you actually need op ed pieces and hyperlinks to discuss science?”
Posted by: Kansas | October 17, 2007 at 05:33 PM
Kansas’ side does — they wrote an op-ed about polar bears, and then (ooops!) thanked ExxonMobil.
‘Exxon attacked by polar bears!’http://www.desmogblog.com/exxon-attacked-by-polar-bears“U.S. House Committee on Science and Technology Subcommittee on Investigations and Oversight Chairman Brad Miller (D-NC) has sent a letter (pdf) to the ExxonMobil Corporation requesting all records since 2002 related to their support for scientists working on polar bears and other Arctic animals.”
From letter,
“… The Congress and the public have a right to know why ExxonMobil is funding a scientist whose writing is outside his area of expertise to create the impression that expert scientists have conducted rigorous, peer-reviewed work that says the problems with the polar bears are unproven or unserious.”
Who is kidding whom?
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=17§ion=21&d=19&m=10&y=2007&mode=dynamic§ionlist=no&pix=interact.jpg&category=Interact
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=17§ion=21&d=19&m=10&y=2007&mode=dynamic§ionlist=no&pix=interact.jpg&category=Interact
SHAMELESS ENDORSEMENT
“LUCIANO’S”, Downtown Mulvane. Probably one of the 5 best restaurants in the area. I wouldn’t know what the other 4 might be. Well worth the drive. Reasonably priced, great pastas 7-9$, entrees 12-18$, great wine selection. (Like a lot of places you get about 3-4 sips for 5-7, or a bottle for $$$$)
Make a reservation.
Luciano is a native of Naples, married to a Mulvane native. He does the cooking
12-18 bucks per entree? That’s expensive.
They have Martinelli’s Italian Restaurant in Salina and their portions are so huge you can order a 1/4 of a plate which is MORE than enough- for way less.
In other words, if you are for the war in Iraq, and against the capital gains tax, you are stepping into the realm of pure hypocrisy.
Posted by: J M Walker
Don’t put words in my mouth Walker. Never said I was for the war. That is posted elsewhere on the WEBLOG early today most recently.
I didnt answer that, because I was pretty sure your 33% figure was not accurate… I see Vaughn has informed you of that as well..
Posted by: Chas.
Nice Try Chas.. You didn’t have a clue. My figures are accurate. Vaughn never said they were not.
The point was – you would not commit because if you HAD, you would have had to admit you would take your money and run NOW, rather than wait for higher taxes.
Close?
I don’t place a lot of faith in charities of any sort.
Posted by: J R
Much better to give your money to Gov and not God, right JR?
We do need to update US coinage:
IN GOVERNMENT WE TRUST (scratch God)
12-18 at an Appleebee’s will get you a cheap steak, frozen vegetables, usually a cool baked potato.
12-18 is inexpensive compared to the Palimino grill at Terradyne, and the cute little mediterranean / French restuarant downtown (or is that now part of the arena?) and Luciano’s has much better atmosphere … depending on what you’re looking for…
If I ever get to Abilene to see the Ike Museum, I’ll stop in Salina and Martinelli’s
You can get half orders of the pasta, don’t know about the entree’s ….. probably — it’s a family, mom / pop place done very nicely.
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How much of your money do you think God ever gets his hands on, after everyone takes their cut?
Vaughn clearly pointed ut that your 33% figure is for Mrried Filing Separately… If that is your classification, then so be it… I still did not know if your 33% figure is accurate…
AmwayI bet it would not surprise you that I do not believe in “god”
At least in any way generally accepted.
Oh and next time you hack and stick me? Put in enough content to show my context, hack.
Am. Way
There are many charities / foundations that go unnoticed and unheralded but do some good. Many are tax writeups for the wealthy, but many of those family foundations do good things. i.e I managed a small charity in Chicago for 5-6 years that gave away about 50k a year to JROTC programs nationwide. It was totally funded by one man, (was fun giving away his money without having to raise it) but most of his wealthy family also had small and medium size charities that did little things like build schools and day care centers, funding of innner city reading, mentoring programs ………
Another that comes to mind is the Marine Corps Scholarship Foundation — low on operating costs but generous scholarships every year ………
I read earlier today how the original plan had been for the Americans to hand over Chemical Ali, and his co-defendants to be hung on 9/11, before the execution hit a snag. Such shamelss exploitation of that hallowed date by the repukes!
Hey ken,
Thanks for the heads up on LUCIANO’S. Always enjoy finding a good Italian restaurant.
And I’ve been to Martinelli’s in Salina, another very good restaurant! The same people that own Martinelli’s also own Martini’s about a block north. If Martinelli’s is too busy Martini’s is a good second choice.
Savutes here in Wichita is one of my favorites.
Hank
James Watson, a well-known Darwinist and eugenicist who won the Nobel Prize for co-discovering DNA (the fingerprint of our creation in our Maker’s image), is now also widely branded a deplorable racist for expounding his views on racial differences. Such people as Mr. Watson and Margaret Sanger are, in one way or another, responsible for the targeting of the black race, as unevolved, inferior and a pollutant of the human race in their view, for population reduction through a high abortion rate by such agencies as Planned Parenthood [since we don't have Hitler's more efficient Final Solution around anymore].[Disclaimer: These are not my views, these are my perceptions of the views of Mr. Watson and the late Mrs. Sanger, as expressed in their writings and interviews.]
Thanks Ken, I agree wholeheartedly. I posted elsewhere I am a tightwad when it comes to giving to the US Treasury, but I do give and volunteer to charities.
Here is one that caught my eye last year before 31 December.It’s the Injured Marine Fund in SDIEGO. High costs of lodging and rent in the area make it difficult for Marine families to stay near their Marine undergoing treatment at Balboa.
They return from Iraq and many times are young, with a young wife, and little kids. It may be the wifes first time off the farm, and they are “lost”.
But their Marine needs them more than ever. Nothing helps build confidence and attitude like having the family stay near by.
This fund helps. And I believe my money goes to the project.
http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=injuredmarinefund
The Combined Federal Campaign is just launching their drive. I like there booklet because it lists MANY of the SMALL charities like you mentioned – but also shows the percent going to the project/percent overhead admin.
The charity has to open it’s book to audit and PROVE their published percentages – or they get the boot. Thousands listed.
Just look up CFC on the net and you will find a local chapter. You don’t have to donate through them – but get their booklet.
Hank
I’ve only been there 3 times, everytime I’m treated like family …. planning on going weekly now ……. I hear lunches are great too ………….
I think this article is right on the money, about why we’re paying so much for oil. Anyone like to dispute the main assertions?http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/10/5843_post_8.html
I’ll dispute the math “The Phantom.”
Although the effective buying power of the cost of a barrel of oil differs, the production and delivery costs for consumer level fuel is much higher in Europe.
The Europeans buy their fuel by the liter and in the U.S., we buy ours by the gallon.
Our production costs and transportation to said outlets are much lower than the Europeans.
When translated means we Americans have a greater benefit in translating the energy use of said fuel in the long run which greatly enhances productivity costs and utilization.
The U.S. is way ahead of the “fuel game” when it comes to consumer markets.
JR,
That money people have to so called “piss into the wind” is theirs to do with.
I would hardly call donating that money to a charity providing scholarships to those children who have lost a family member in Iraq “pissing into the wind.”
The best Italian food is in Italy, but it gets expensive to “do lunch” there on a regular basis. :)
I think this article is right on the money
Well Phantom, then you need to go find a “rich” person and get down on your knees and thank your lucky stars he is paying the bills for America.
Building a Statue in their honor.
Building a Statue in their honor
would be most appropriate.
The Phantom,
Sounds right to me.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/10/5843_post_8.html
“Thus, of the $59 increase in the cost of a barrel of oil to a U.S. consumer, more than $30 is due to the depreciation of the U.S. Dollar and the fiscal and trade policies that have contributed to it.”
Not only is the letter going for nearly a million dollars, Rush Limbaugh will match the final bid as well!
So much for Rush not supporting the troops.
How much are those 41 signing Democrats giving of their money to the troops?
The letter is up to $851,100.00!
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
in fact the chart shows how the divergence between currencies really starts to pick up following the invasion—and 2) massive tax cuts to the wealthy.
Yes, you OWE me a statue on the city square (this is Kansas with small towns where the courthouse is across from a city square right? Dorothy and all that.)
Yes a big white statue that says:
“GOD BLESS THE WEALTHY AMERICAN WHO HAVE FOREVER KEPT THE TRADE IMBALANCE AND DEFICIT UNDER CONTROL SO THE PRICE OF OIL WAS CHEAP.”
If OPEC ever switches sales to the Euro, we’re screwed (even worse than we are now). The dollar wouldn’t fall through the cracks, it’d be on an downward heading elevator with no brakes.
Uh huh
Rush is ON THE BOARD of the charity.
Rush’s last contract was what, 250 million dollars or so?
Rush boasts that he gets $20,000 for a 30 second spot.
Sure seems like Rush can do better?
And has he invited a representative of votevets.org on his show yet?
?
When you’re compensated in dollars, and dollars lose their value so you’re paying more of them for the same amount of product, what exactly are you so grateful for. I did hear Richard Bronson express some relief that the cost of oil was in dollars, but then that’s not his native currency, and resulted in a discount for him.
Rush’s donation here to a charity HE sits on the board of is like I donated a nickel.
And I’m proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the rich men who gave their money for me!
And I’d gladly STAND UP next to them, and defend her still today.
Cause their ain’t no doubt the rich MADE THIS LAND,
to give that right to me.
JR,
What does his being a member of the board have to do with anything?
The money still goes to the family members of those who have lost someone in the line of duty.
Yup Nathan,
Pitch ‘em a scrap.
Good for PR.
Especially if you are a lying hypocrite like Rush.
You Republicans are always carping about personal responsibility. Well, it’s about time this country stopped catering to the un-needy few.
Posted by: J R | October 18, 2007 at 12:33 PM
J R, can I ask you a question? Didn’t another regular blogger give you a FREE computer?
Was that mandatory, or did the blogger do it out of the kindness of his/her heart? (I’m guessing his wife had a say in this.)
Do you then pay him back by asking for MORE from him?
Do you call him a sinner for having a better PC than you or MORE than you?
Do you go after him using a lawyer to FORCE him to pay more tribute to you?
I don’t think so. I think you show gratitude and thanks.
So why do you disk the rich conservatives who are providing the PC to keep this nation afloat?
It’s the same thing.
Combination News Story: Clinton Campaign Contribution Quid-Pro-Quo, and Clinton’s Woodstock Money Taken Away!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-10-18-senate-woodstock_N.htm
Senate quashes grant for Woodstock museum
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAYWASHINGTON — The Senate voted Thursday to kill a $1 million grant for a museum on the site of the 1969 Woodstock concert, a rare rebuke of a legislative pet project and a blow to the presidential candidate who backed it, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.Clinton and her New York colleague, Sen. Charles Schumer, had the funding inserted into the $604 billion education and health spending bill. The Woodstock project’s main backer, Alan Gerry, is a registered Republican who recently became a major contributor to the Schumer-led Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
Nine days after the “earmark” was placed in the bill in June, Gerry and his wife contributed the maximum of $9,200 to Clinton’s primary and general election campaign funds. The Gerry family contributed an additional $20,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, USA TODAY reported Wednesday.
Two Republican senators, Oklahoma’s Tom Coburn and Arizona’s Jon Kyl, offered an amendment Thursday seeking to redirect the money to a maternal health care program. In a time of mounting deficits, they argued, senators shouldn’t be steering money to a museum that has wealthy private supporters.
“How can we, with a straight face, argue to (the public) that we’re not wasting their hard-earned money,” Kyl said—–
Oh no
Pat? I’m not staying long. If you are looking for prey or a date or whatever you best look elsewhere.
Woodstock Money Was Redirected by Republicans to Pregnant Mothers and Infants.
http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/18/clinton-schumer-lose-woodstock-museum/
Clinton, Schumer lose Woodstock museum
Efforts by Sens. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Chuck Schumer to earmark $1 million in federal money for a museum commemorating the 1969 Woodstock music festival were defeated Thursday.
The Senate voted 52 to 42 in support of a proposal by Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn to redirect the money for the care for pregnant women, mothers, and infants.
Coburn, an obstetrician, is a fiscal conservative who has waged a war on earmarks for local projects that rob money for higher priorities.
Clinton and Schumer voted to keep the local project, also known as the Museum at Bethel Woods.
Clinton wants Congress to give her a line item veto to eliminate wasteful, porkbarrell spending if she’s elected president, but her office issued a statement Thursday maintaining her support for the project.
JR,
What do you contribute to society that makes you feel like you are somehow able to judge and condemn the success of others?
I hope the dems get any money anywhere they can. I don’t CARE who is corrupt anymore.
Posted by: political_mom | October 18, 2007 at 07:14 PM
This post says it all about the Dems.
Break as many laws as you want, as long as the End (getting to be the first lady Prez) justifies the means (beg, borrow, steal, murder, etc…)
Some of y’all were crying about the value of the dollar not being worth squat anymore.
Big budget deficits tend to do that, as does the trade imbalance.
You haven’t seen anything yet though!
When the US must add $15-20 Trillion to the National Debt when all the baby boomers are retired in 18 years, what do you think will happen to the value of the dollar?
The dollar will sink like a rock!
(And HillaryCare! and all her NEW Socialist Programs will add more fuel to the Debt Fire!)
Interest rates and Inflation will BOTH be high – STAGFLATION!(invented by Jimmy Carter, remember?)
Oil, there will be a huge surplus! Why? Because it will be $250 a barrel!
Your McDonalds 1/4 Pounder Meal will cost $50.
The dollar will be worth nuthin.
Keep spending away Socialists!
Spend it like ya got it, and spend it like there is no tomorrow, becasue, well…
there will be no tomorrow if you keep this crap up.
Greatest Depression Ever: 2017 to 2057.
(aka The 50 Year Depression)
Did anyone find a link for this?
Five Facts Democrats Don’t Want Americans To Know About Their SCHIP Bill
1. Congress’ children’s health insurance bill covers adults through FY 2012. New enrollment of parents under the existing waiver eligibility standards is permitted until the end of FY 2012 – meaning Federal funding will still be available for coverage of these adults until the end of FY 2012.
2. Congress’ SCHIP bill covers childless adults through FY 2009. Any state with an existing childless adult waiver that expires before October 1, 2008, will get an automatic extension of the waiver upon request through September 30, 2009. The bill allows new enrollment of childless adults in FY 2008 and funding of childless adults through FY 2009.
3. Congress’ SCHIP bill does NOT cover poor children first. The legislation explicitly rejects a requirement that 95 percent of eligible children from families with incomes under 200 percent of the poverty level must be enrolled in SCHIP before children in higher-income families can be covered. There are more than 500,000 poor children eligible for SCHIP, but states have not signed them up.
4. Congress’ SCHIP bill covers children in some families earning up to $83,000 a year. The vetoed bill would have the result of grandfathering in New York at a higher SCHIP match rate than the rest of the country – allowing SCHIP to cover children in some households with incomes of up to $83,000 per year (400 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family of four). It also overturns the standards that would allow the Health and Human Services Secretary to disapprove State plans to cover children in higher income families before every effort has been made to cover lower income children and regardless of whether newly covered children already have private health insurance.
5. Congress’ SCHIP bill would result in millions of children who now have private health insurance moving onto government coverage. Of the approximately 6 million enrollees Congress’ legislation would attract by 2012, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that 2 million (one in three) would drop private insurance to enroll.
Posted by: JoeLiberty | October 18, 2007 at 08:58 PM
AmWay — Every one of those false claims in that post above can be proven false, by reading the proposed bill that was defeated by war loving republicans…
MAX — You actually SUPPORT the Oklahoma Senator’s wish to replace one earmark for Woodstock, with another earmark for “maternal health care” and on government dollars??? And yet you supported the President’s Veto to help protect the health of our CHILDREN??? Hmmmmmmm Sounds a little bit hypocritical???
My thinking is that Congress is going to send another SCHIP bill to Bush’s desk, and if he Vetos it, they will next time over ride the Veto…. They cant afford the votes… none of them…
Why didnt those poor marine families prepare better for some catastrophe, and not be needing some charitable handout???
Isnt that what some folks said about those SCHIP families??? They should have been more prepared for a dilemma to strike???
I guess it doesnt work the same for military families, huh???
And before you all start attacking, I am fully aware that what I posted is preposterous… Just as preposterous as those who came out against the Frost Family with their two kids… where somebody posted that they should have planned better for insurance against the black ice on the road… Right!!
And the other lady, that somebody suggested should have planned better for her baby… 6 years before the child was born???
On that note, I am outta here… still have laundry to finish before an early appointment tomorrow….
Good night; Good luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
Isnt that what some folks said about those SCHIP families??? They should have been more prepared for a dilemma to strike???
I guess it doesnt work the same for military families, huh???
Posted by: Chas. | October 18, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Being dead, that can’t be done.
Hmmmmm
Private citizens giving THEIR OWN money FREELY to help others they think need help
VS
Supporting the government in TAKING money from others to give to those who you think need help
If you can’t tell the difference between these two actions there is no hope for you.
“Isnt that what some folks said about those SCHIP families??? They should have been more prepared for a dilemma to strike???
I guess it doesnt work the same for military families, huh???
Posted by: Chas. | October 18, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Being dead, that can’t be done.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 19, 2007 at 12:06 AM
The entire family died? So the money provides scholarships only to orphaned children?
And how does serving in the military prevent being “prepared for a dilemma to strike”?
Nathan, it is still charitable contributions either way you cut it… That was my point…
I agree, how is giving military kids (who get tons of benefits when their parents die in combat) better than giving healthcare to kids whose parents can’t afford it?
WTF?
Charity is giving YOUR money away, not forcing others too.
How much money have you given to provide for the health care of others Chas?
Political Mom?
Nathan, you are being argumentative… Charity is what those families will RECEIVE… no matter whether it is from governmental(military benefits) OR from some other group…
It is still Charity for THEM…
Also, what PMom said
I agree, how is giving military kids (who get tons of benefits when their parents die in combat) better than giving healthcare to kids whose parents can’t afford it?
WTF?
Posted by: political_mom | October 19, 2007 at 12:27 AM
Military actually do something for their country, instead of having the ever-reaching handout “gimme” crowd.
Supposedly, the military takes care of their own, or at least that is what they claim…
I just think it is a really bad message for the President to veto a health care package extension to benefit CHILDREN…. I mean, those kids only know they are sick, and cant get well… they could care less about democrat or republican… liberal or conservative…. that is the really sad part…
Nathan?
I am sorry
I do not wish to be unkind.
If I did a search of your posts here, my memory says you were at one time on food stamps.
I could probably complete it before your answer. If I’m wtong I will say so.
I amnot going to sit here and nit pick this thing… I think it will be re-done, and sent back to Bush… and if he vetos it again, I think they will over ride it… unfortunately, it will be all politics, but at least it will get done…
“Military actually do something for their country, instead of having the ever-reaching handout “gimme” crowd.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 19, 2007 at 12:35 AM
The military does what they’re ordered to do, and the results are not always positive (see Iraq).
Taxpayers fund the military.
What percent discount does Kansas get when he shops at the military PX? That’s a taxpayer “handout”.
What percent discount does Kansas get when he shops at the military PX? That’s a taxpayer “handout”.
Posted by: cosmos | October 19, 2007 at 01:02 AM
Incorrect.
The Army and Air Force Exchange System along with the Navy Exchange system are ran through non-appropriated funds. That is, the profits they make go back into the upkeep of the organization that provides the products and services.
Taxpayers fund the military. Posted by: cosmos | October 19, 2007 at 01:02 AM
Military members are taxpayers as well.
But Kansas still gets a “handout”.
Sure cosmos, anything you say.
Why don’t you stand up and face the millions of retired military and say that to their face if you have the courage instead of hiding behind a computer.
Go ahead, make a full page ad in the newspaper of your choice explaining your stance on retired military and tell them how they get a handout.
That’s what I thought. Insult one and you insult us all.
Interesting… Kansas believes that a “handout” is an “insult”.
Does Kansas also believe that the children who get scholarships from Sen. Reids letter sale are also being “insulted”?
Your point JR?
agree, how is giving military kids (who get tons of benefits when their parents die in combat) better than giving healthcare to kids whose parents can’t afford it?
WTF?
Posted by: political_mom | October 19, 2007 at 12:27 AM
Military actually do something for their country, instead of having the ever-reaching handout “gimme” crowd.
Posted by: Kansas | October 19, 2007 at 12:35 AM
That’s what it means to be a CON in a nutshell.
A two year old whose dad dies from a heart attack while peeling potatoes DESERVES taxpayer help.
The two year old whose dad dies while starting his own wind tower business deserves nothing.
It’s that two year old kid’s fault that he was born into an undeserving family.
Correction: A two year old whose dad dies from a heart attack while peeling potatoes in the ARMY deserves taxpayer help.
Interesting… Kansas believes that a “handout” is an “insult”.
Does Kansas also believe that the children who get scholarships from Sen. Reids letter sale are also being “insulted”?
Posted by: cosmos | October 19, 2007 at 01:24 AM
“Isnt that what some folks said about those SCHIP families??? They should have been more prepared for a dilemma to strike???
I guess it doesnt work the same for military families, huh???
Posted by: Chas. | October 18, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Chas I see you and Cosmos are as obtuse as ever. How hard is it you wrap your mind around the concept that willingly giving money to a charity and that charity then giving the money to the recipients of their choice is an entirely different ball of wax from the government picking the pockets of unwilling donors to give to recipients the donors feel are unworthy and are lazy to boot. Nothing is being said about the truely needy but we all know the system is rife with abusers.
Cosmos are you really stupid enough to think you can insult the distinquished veterans who have served to protect our country without being called out on it? I think the entire GW thing has cooked your braincells.
Wow. What a display of phony outrage, Ksgrm.
For a second there, I almost thought you were sincere.
We have the biggest military in the world.
Wait, no.
We spend more money on our military than the top ten nations of the world combined.
Wait, no.
We spend more on our military than ALL THE OTHER NATION’S SPEND ON THEIRS COMBINED.
You don’t have to be a Rhodes Scholar like Bill Clinton to see that when you pick people’s pockets to give it huge multinationals like Boeing, McDonald Douglas (or whatever conglomerate they are now), Raytheon, Halliburton, Bechtold, CACI, etc. etc., we might not have enough for CHILDREN’S health in this country.
It’s a matter of priorities, Ksgrm. You want to take my money and spend it on the richest companies in the world.
I want to spend it on our nation’s children.
Cap – and you sure aren’t a cap of America – I am beholden to our service men whether you like it or not. Your phony outrage because we have a strong military is ludicris.
Spend your money as you will just don’t try to spend mine. I will help every needy child I can and do – who do you help with your money and not mine?
Dems talk a good game like Madam Hillary and the Pulet prize winner Algore but check their charitable contributions – The clintons once gave a value of $2.50 to used underwear of Bills that were donated to charity and Algore gave less that $100 his first year in office.
Dems talk repubs do.
Repubs do do.
You left off a “do” there, Ksgrm.
Too late at night or early in the morning for this garbage. Cap you just make yourself look very silly.
News flash to Ksgrm:
Helping kids whose parents didn’t serve in no way denigrates the kids of parents who served.
Just thought I’d clear that muddled thought up for you there.
One thing we could actually argue is the actual intent of a Federal Governemt, i.e. defense, is the exact think CapnAmerica opposes.
Of course the liberal utopia is built upon happy thoughts and good intentions.
Pay no attention to those people who want to harm you though.
Nathan–
Now THAT’S a strawman–you have distorted my argument that”we spend way too much on our military” to the non-sensical “we should spend NO money on our military.”
We should spend the same on our military as other industrial countries spend on theirs–from 1 percent of GDP to 2.5 percent.
We spend a lot more. We should gradually cut the spending to about a third of what it is now.
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