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Open thread 10/16
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Oct. 16, 2007 at 1:06 a.m.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc
Hey Nathan, how’s this for gun safety.
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
The letter is up to 50,100!
That’d sure buy a lot of medical care for some kids. Figures – such a waste.
Political Mom,
Did you see where the money was going?
It is going to charity. A charity for providing educational assistance to those who have lost their family member in the war.
http://www.mc-lef.org/
Is that the waste you are talking about?
“what a couple of man lovers, you and your rush.sweet.”
Quoted above only as example, not with any response intended.
Sigh. . . here we go again. It’s like a disease. And I wouldn’t be the SLIGHTEST bit surprised if the lefty and righty sock puppet crap turned out to be from the same source.
The disruption I see is deliberate and intended. Don’t be fooled: The underlying arguments are of no importance–it’s the conflict itself that matters. That’s what trolls thrive on.
I think we can all (well, okay, at least most) grasp the difference between rhetorical flourishes and serious, mean-spirited personal attacks.
The Blog wasn’t always like this. Yeah, we’ve had our dustups and shouting matches over the past 2 years, but c’mon, folks. The nastiness level has noticeably gone up, and I think we can all see why.
It’s almost like that old Star Trek episode where an alien intelligence takes over the minds of the Enterprise crew and a Klingon ship, making them fight endlessly for its nutrition.
Yeah, the Federation and Klingons were enemies. But “Klingons fight for their own purposes!” Right?
And we have free will.
So how ’bout it: The kitchen is now officially CLOSED!
Rage?? AAAAMen!!!!
Great idea Rage, but how do we make it work? We have a few Lib bloggers who just can’t let it go.
Some egos demand that they have the last word.
Sadly, scrapping the chaff off this blog probably wont happen. The ego’s of some people wont allow it. Any takers on a basic bet they’ll still pop up with their daily drivel?
Hey cosmos,
If I buy a real Christmas tree this year, do I have to buy carbon credits too?
Buy a coconut palm. Because it doesn’t have all those itchy branches in the way – you can really pile up some presents underneath it. An added advantage is it takes fewer strings of lights to decorate it (less energy use). You might have a problem getting the star up on top, but try standing on the ego’s of some of posters on this blog. That should get you there.
PS: You can buy living “real” XMAS tree. No taxes on that. In fact, you might get a tax break.
I wish we knew who the trolls were, perhaps if we did, we could shun them from the board totally?
Forget about congress pissing off Turkey, Bush is pissing off our banker, China!
What did I hear this morning on cnbc, oil up 40% this year. Never fear you poor RINOs, Roberts says you saps that are having trouble with your energy cost should just buy oil stocks. Typical elitist Republican response.
I wouldn’t buy stocks in Oil. When that corruption scheme crashes, it’s going to hurt worse than Enron.
“Great idea Rage, but how do we make it work? We have a few Lib bloggers who just can’t let it go.Some egos demand that they have the last word.”
See outlander lurkLurk outlander. lurk!
See Nathan be tiresome and pedantic.Nathan Nathan. Nathan!
Posted by: J R | October 15, 2007 at 08:02 PM
Nathan,
I’m very impressed by your skill at running away like a coward, from answering questions about your opinions, and claims.
Where did you learn that tactic? The Marine Corps?
Posted by: cosmos | October 16, 2007 at 01:24 AM
Nathan,
Why did you go out AWOL??
Posted by: Chas. | October 16, 2007 at 03:50 AM
JR–
Dude. You gotta get e-mail. I have some information that you will be interested it and vice-versa.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
CapnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYH8eM910fs
Well this is interesting if true?
Pmom, I suspect the nic switchers have already showed their asses and HAVE been shunned. That’s why they switch nics and troll.
I’m all in favor of having the eds out the trolls. That would be the quickest answer to the problem.
But alas, we know they wont do it!
I would suggest a one week complete boycott of the WE BLOG.
When we had our first meet up, the purpose was to put faces to names and I think it went pretty good.
We had people come together and we realized that we probably had more in common than not.
I would have another meet up, but unfortunately, I’m afraid that people would come I don’t care to meet and people that I would like to see wouldn’t show up.
I get fed up with the BLOG and go away for days at a time. I would recommend that people that are fed up with the trolls boycott this BLOG until the end of the month, starting October 22nd.
Doesn’t need to be a blood oath, secret handshake or special tatoo.If you want a better BLOG, just get a life and boycott this palce for ten days.
Whaddayathink?
Hank
Hank, the little boycott we liberals did didn’t have any effect whatsoever.
Hank I will join you in that one. Pmom this would be a joint boycott. Meaning we are all sick of the present state of things. I have looked at the blog for the last few days and saw no reason to post because no one was interested in honest dialogue.
Has anyone been following the resolution working it’s way thru congress to censure Turkey over Armenian genocide? What are your feelings on this?
Boycott??
Those of us who participated in a boycott before have gotten nothing but insults from those who stayed. It didn’t do any good. Things got worse when we came back.
But anyone who wants to is welcome to try. I wish you all good luck.
I think that the future of the WE Blog is that unless posters clean up their act the Editors will and should shut it down
Tom that is what I was trying to say. I can go to other blogs and have good discussions about pertinent subjects. Lately that isn’t possible here.
Rox maybe a better plan would be to not respond to trolls on both the right and left. We can carry on a conversation around them – kind of like when there are children in the room and you are trying to have an adult conversation.
Hey Rox,
You didn’t really boycott, you kinda just left for a while in a snit. Of course you got some grief! (not from me) I still love ya!
Your boycott was against the conservatives, I’m talking about people of good cheer boycotting the editors.
I mean don’t even look at the damn BLOG. Don’t even give them the hits they seem to be so proud of.
Hank
The resolution is just another way the democrats have found to try and lose the war.
I don’t have any love lost for Turkey, but come on. This resolution is against Turkey for something that no one in Turkey is responsible for. It was the damn Ottoman Empire for heaven’s sake!
There is only one reason for it, the democrat’s irrational hatred for Bush. Troops be damned.
Hank
Hank,
Thank you for proving my point.
ksgrm,
You’re free to do whatever you feel is best for you.
ESAD Hank writes:
Your boycott was against the conservatives, I’m talking about people of good cheer boycotting the editors.
Wrong, as usual, ESAD Hank.
Our boycott was against the editors, not against the conservatives. We who boycotted for two weeks wanted the editors to take more control of the WEBlog–stop nic-stealing and hate speech.
Also, it is truly sad that you and Rush could actually believe that Democratic Americans could want our guys to die or the mission in Iraq to fail.
I posted a week before we invaded that IF we couldn’t stop the madness, at least we could hope for the best possible outcome. That post made the “greatest page” and got nothing but support.
We don’t want the war to fail. We understood that the war could not succeed based on history and common-sense, two perspective that Bush utterly lacks.
So Hank, ESAD.
There were no problems when the Libs left the WE Blog. We had no trolls for quite awhile. But don’t take my word for it, here’s from another poster.=======================As Raptor wrote when the Fisters has supposably left the WE Blog for the Wichita Voice.
“So now the troll is back. I did not write that about GS and Republican, as anyone here would know.
Amazing…the libs are trickling back, and the trolling starts up again. Coincidence?
Posted by: raptor | March 27, 2007 at 02:17 PM
More proof of the trolling and nic stealing by the Libs.
I would support another boycott however, since the Editors just gave us a bunch of double-talk.
“We are limited to this format by the home office,” my a$$.
Kansas has a point.
I’m pretty sure that one former left-of-center post-er is doing some trolling.
However, the fact that there was no trolling during the March boycott was simply because there were no TARGETS for the right-wing trolls to attack.
Duh.
BTW, Kansas, I’ve had time to do a bone-dig on you that pretty much proves you are JM.
It might be a good idea for you to simply admit it now before you are forever shown to be an unrepentant liar.
No, Kansas, that’s no proof of trolling. When those who are being trolled are gone, who are you going to troll? Yourself?
On second thought, trolling yourself wouldn’t be completely out of the question.
As I put for the challenge before, there is the standard $5000 bet. No one on the Left has taken me up on it, because they would rather accuse me instead of having proof.======================BTW, Kansas, I’ve had time to do a bone-dig on you that pretty much proves you are JM.Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 16, 2007 at 10:35 AM
That sounds familiar Capn. You’ve done this since I’ve been here. In fact, kfg was so sure I was some guy named James Macklin, she had declared ultimate victory in her discovery.
Amazing the paranoia of the left that assign so many personalities to me. It’s like the exorcist in reverse.
Clarification: I posted a week before we invaded on Democratic Underground that we should hope that the mission goes as well as possible . . .
So . . . you’re saying that you never posted as JM, is that correct, Kansas?
It’s a yes or no question, Kansas.
You shouldn’t have to think about it.
Have you posted as JM Capn would be a better question. You’re the one that has the longest list of admitted troll switching names, not me.
Then again, there is all those nics that Capn never brings ups, because he is a good lil’ hypocrite on the matter.
It’s okay, I have you saying in the past that you haven’t posted as JM.
I just thought you might want to go on record again.
Apparently not.
I don’t blame you . . .
So where is this proof Capn? You keep saying you have proof over and over, yet never deliver.
You do like conflict don’t you Capn?
Instead of just posting, it’s your goal to keep the blog in chaos, isn’t right Capn?
Notice, the one who complains the most about trolls, namely the Capn, is the one that has trolled and switched nics the most, namely the Capn.
I find that psychologically very odd.
oh for the love of God, will you two just swap phone numbers and have this conversation privately?? Capn, he’s never going to admit it, he’s just going to answer questions with questions, and you haven’t got the good sense God gave a stone to ignore him……swap numbers and go at it with each other AWAY FROM HERE…..
Thank You.
Still waiting for the proof Capn.
Put up or shut up.
Let’s hear it.
Oh, that’s right you don’t have any.
Another fluff up by the Capn.
Good morning Captain!
So, are you for the boycott or not?
Hank
The difference is that important word you used: “admitted” nic-changing.
I don’t lie about it.
I believe you do.
I just thought I’d do the decent thing and allow you to come clean before you’re publicly humiliated.
But . . . have it your way.
Yes, ESAD Hank.
I’m in.
My wife will love it!
Heh.
Just run on along to Tracy Phillip’s blog Capn and be a good little blogger.
Tracy has built a nice little blog for you Lefties and you don’t use it. It’s much nicer than the blog here.
Is it that the Capn can’t get the attention he so desperately seeks if he leaves the WE Blog?
Graffiti Troll–
After I post what I’ve got, I won’t have to talk to him any more.
Also, if we bore you so much, don’t read us.
How would that be?
When the libs did their boycott they claim it was against the editors, but they communicated in secret and then acted like it was only the conservatives that were the problem.
I invited you all to a meet up, but you didn’t invite me to join your boycott. I’m proposing a non-partisan boycott. In the open. No secrets.
I’ll admit that there is problems on our side, but if you think all of the idiots are conservatives you are delusional.
Hank
Publicly humilated??? On an anonymous blog? How will you manage that Capn?
I mean by chance if you happen to find out my real name and posted it here, I would take it with great delight and have you permanently banned.
Is that what this about Capn? You want to out my identity on the Blog?
I would say you are treading on very dangerous waters.
Well, ESAD Hank.
If you’re trying to get our support, you’re going about it poorly.
Try not insulting the Libs, and they’ll probably work with you more readily.
And listen to poor JM-Kansas squealing like a stepped-on mouse.
What’s he going to do when nobody is posting here and his only outlet for human contact is shut off?
Woe is him . . .
Welcome aboard Captain! I’m pretty proud of the ESAD label, its the only thing you’ve got on me this past year.
Now I’ll admit that it isn’t polite, but I’m a submarine sailor and you don’t really know what it means.
Hint. . .it’s actually a lot worse than you think. I apologize to anyone ofended and I won’t use it again!
Hank
When does the boycott start again?
Not squealing Capn, just trying to dispense with all this drama you are spewing and asking for your proof.
I know you are the drama queen of the blog Capn, but your accusations are ridiculous and you never provide any proof.
Capn, the drama queen.
Well, hell, Hank.
I accept your apology and I’m sure CF2K will as well.
Thank you for that.
I will cease my gratuitous slams of you. For what’s it worth, I didn’t enjoy it, heh.
CapnA
Boyscott for 10 days Hank? Count me in, I’m tired of all the accusations against me.
Just name the start date Hank, I’m there.
Hank writes:
“I get fed up with the BLOG and go away for days at a time. I would recommend that people that are fed up with the trolls boycott this BLOG until the end of the month, starting October 22nd to the end of the month.”
Good plan. I like it.
Okay, I’ll go away starting right now until the end of October. I’ll take the challenge.
Now’s your chance Capn, I’m leaving in 15 minutes – where’s that proof?
:)
Hank, Count me in. As I’ve been saying for several days now, I’ve just had it. Trolls and the swollen egos that can’t resist…a pox on both houses.
Thanks Captain,
No offense taken, I deserved it!
Hank
Trolls and the swollen egos that can’t resist…a pox on both houses.
Posted by: XXX | October 16, 2007 at 11:11 AM
You have used your bloated ego against me XXX, don’t act like you are without sin. :)
A boycott is giving in to the 3-4 people (and their associated trolls) that have made this thread virtually unusable.
They need to “man – up” — no apology, just try acting like adults not name calling, stone throwing 6 year olds ….
Perhaps this forum would benefit if participants each pledged to discuss issues rather that posters’ personalities.
I realize it’s not always easy. I’ve posted my share of snarks about certain posters who seem to be Chatty Kathy dolls for the right-wing smear machine. But most of the time I’ve tried to address arguments, not arguers. on this and other politically-oriented sites, it’s been interesting to watch how, after I’ve absolutely nailed the right-wing talking points to the wall, Wing Nuts come up with oh-too-funny slams (”MonkeyButt, “MonkeyS#it,” etc.) against my all-too-Kansasy-Wizard-of-Oz-inspired nic.
I’m not fond of ad hoc one-at-a-time nics on forums (fora?) like these and would welcome some sort of change in protocol that would help assure posts from the real “Kansas” were always signed “Kansas;” that even those bizzare NeoCon rationalizations from posters such as “Max” or “Hank Price” or “Nathan” or “ksgrm” were attributable to those people.
If each of us and all of us would this day, October 16th, pledge to at least *try* to discuss issues instead of individuals, there might be a meaningful dialog emerge from this forum.
I’ll take the pledge here and now. Will any others?
Poor JR,He just got a computer and we all go on vacation, LOL!
One more minute Capn, then I’m gone until 1 Nov…
A boycott? There are too many egos for that to work here. They may claim boycott, but continue posting under various nics.
Consider kansas’s response to XXX. It does nothing for the blog but inject bs. Both sides do it, myself included.
I would consider a boycott, but I think I’ll probably just try to ignore the ones who have nothing useful to add to any argument.
Hey ken,
That’s one way to look at it. If it’s virtually unusable then maybe it’s time to send the editors a bi-partisan message.
I think there’s four of us so far.
Hank
A boycott is letting them have control over you —– just what they want.
I would consider a boycott, but I think I’ll probably just try to ignore the ones who have nothing useful to add to any argument.Posted by: J M Walker | October 16, 2007 at 11:20 AM
JM, That’s about what I’m doing now. It drives trolls crazy when you just don’t respond.
Okay Hank, XXX, et al…
I’m out of here until 1 Nov…
Cya then! :)
He’s gone! Everybody can come back out now!
Hank
I don’t believe the editors will care. They won’t censure / ban anyone without a complaint or TOS violation …… it could open up litigation and step on someone’s 1st Amendment rights.
It’s not unusable because of folks like you and some others — a boycott is like punishing the entire squadron / platoon / ship because of the acts of 1 or 2 — almost like giving in to terrorists isn’t it?
also …. I’ve never had a problem with the editors removing a post that I found objectionable — even if it didn’t apply to me … (swearing / cursing / inappropriate remarks)
Heck — I’ve even had another agency intervene and censure some one for using their name ….
I’ll be posting jokes, recipes, travel tips etc ….. and items important about our troops and legislation impacting them …..
Remember when “Kansas” aka “Republikhan” aka whatever was supposedly “in the hospital” for a few days? Remember how civil all the discussions were?
Perhaps the Blog will now experience 15 days of civility.
Now, now children, let’s not bad mouth someone when they’re gone.
A boycott would accomplish nothing more than making a statement, though if it was across polispace, it might be a significant statement. What the hell, I’m in.
Monkeyhawk has the right idea. When someone starts attacking your work ethic, sexuality, whatever, yawn, and move on. It’s an anonymous post on a blog. They do more to discredit themselves than you.
There’s also some software I’ve been looking into, called FeedRinse. It requires using a newsfeed to read the Blog (I use Opera, though not always), and I haven’t tried it out yet. The idea is to produce something similar to a USENET killfile. Plonk! and they’re gone. It’s still there, but you don’t have to even read their crap anymore.
Nic-switching sock puppets can keep on coming up with new nics, of course, and since this ISN’T USENET–no headers–I wonder how well that’d actually work.
Scroll-over, alas, seems the best–and only–real solution.
Why not start the boycott now? Immediately!
What, you need time to mentally prepare for it?
You need time to find another blog site?
You need time to plan for something else to do with your life?
Just start the boycott now!
The editors are probably laughing their ass off about this discussion.
Do like I do. Don’t post much. Then everybody thinks you’re a troll or a sock puppet and ignores you, hee, hee!
You might be right, ken. But I think the editors will mind.
They seem to be pretty proud of the number of hits they get on this BLOG as compared to some of the other Knight-Ridder BLOGS.
Their lame excuse that they have no control over some of the problems is BS. They need to find a way clean up their act.
They encourage school children to read their paper and advertise their BLOG for public consumption.
They have a responsibility to keep things civil.
Hank
Now, now children, let’s not bad mouth someone when they’re gone.Posted by: Hank Price | October 16, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Gone? Unlikely, and you know it as well as I do.
Sounds like a liberal solution. “Gee let’s stop going to the website to show our displeasure at the Eagle for not spending company money to POLICE the free blog.”
Hank–
Agreed. I’ve said on many occasions and I’m saying it again right now, that some of MY POSTS should be pulled from time to time.
I get steamed off and flame back about something and use intemperate language.
I think the editors should not allow any posts on the WEBlog that they would NOT run in the Opinion Line.
Back to work . . .
Funny line, Snuf. But I’m afraid you’re already an established “character” here! ;)
“I think the editors should not allow any posts on the WEBlog that they would NOT run in the Opinion Line.”
I would agree to that — but WE would have to hire some one full time 24/7 to read and remove items —- and they still run (maybe increase) the risk of litigation.
Hank
From what I understand, “Hits” record every page you visit at a site — so if you spend an hour on here and post 5 times on 5 threads thats that’s 25 hits — not a fair representation of how many people visit the site —
The only boycotts that I can remember working were the Birmingham Bus boycott, some civil rights boycotts, Jesse Jacksons and his followers boycott of Coke and Budweiser (it got his family distributorships) —-
They have a responsibility to keep things civil.
Hank
That seems to remove any responsibility for the authors / bloggers here to be civil ………..
you want to get the editors / mamagements attention and other media coverage — start a boycott of advertisers / subscribers and maybe a placard toting line in front of the Beagle Offices ….
…. I’ll bring the donuts, magic markers, and sticks
I see Hillary is now proposing personal retirement accounts (called them 401K’s) as if this is a new revelation/entitlement.
This is tantamount to thievery~!
George Bush proposed this at the beginnnig of his last term as part of the Social Security trainwreck solution. AARP and democrats loathed it then.
And now they love it! Best thing since sliced bread
Now couple that with Hillary’s being for the war, another George Bush first -
and now liberals have themselves a real candidate.
Must be confusing for you.
Pin the tail on the donk—-
Elephant!
I am still waiting for somebody/anybody to post a real link where ANY Democrat has ever said they want US to lose the war… I hear it every day on radio, and see it every day on the Blog… But I have yet to see any link anywhere, or hear any sound bite of any Dem. who says they want US to lose the war…
I think I posted that query last week some time… Thanks!!
I would also be interested to see how some of those who still support President George WMD Bush, define in simple terms, what they believe “Compassionate” means
This was one of Bush’s strongest talking points when he was a Candidate in both 2000 and 2004…
Just read the news Chas.
They won’t say “we want to lose the war”, but they say many things that all add up to that.
I can’t do your reading, or your thinking for you though.
How can you wish to lose that which has already been lost?
I confess, I was reading here yesterday and it looked worse than ever to me. Are you posters turning into a union or something?
In my absence I have been keeping up with my listservs which have had some really good threads.
You have my best wishes on your boycott. I will avoid lurking, too. Maybe it won’t be a bloody Halloween around here, after all.
Steven
Chas,
a lot of people may be taking what the 3rd ranking
Democrat (Clyburn) stated, incredibly, that good news in Iraq was essentially bad news for Democrats.
No Congressman should make that statement, no matter what their politics.
Maybe you can see how that would lead people to “assume” democrats don’t want us to win, in order for democrats to do better in the upcoming election.
A democrat would have to be very stupid indeed, to actually come out and state they want us to not win the war in Iraq. It’s water cooler talk.
Well, my little democrat apologists, how many democrats have you heard say the war is lost?
Hell, we won the war in two weeks in Iraq. It’s the establishment of a new government that can defend itself from the insurgents long enough to solve their various factions problems that’s giving us hell.
Even that effort has been showing constant progress and sucess.
So, has any democrat publicly stated that they want to lose the war? No. But many of them have either surrendered or are ready to surrender and they constantly work toward those ends.
Hank
If nobody can find an actual quote that says Democrats want to lose the war, then why do others keep saying that is what Democrats say??
It’s like the others say, “Well, they might not say it, but we know what they want, and what they mean.”
That sounds SO Orwellian… Double Speak… War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Bliss…
Oh well, life goes on!!
Chas, I provided you a quote and a rationale why the perception is that democrats want us to fail.
What else would you call it when the party controlling Congress keep submitting votes to end, curtail, or withhold funding for the war effort?
That is asking to withdraw before winning. What else would you call that other than failure?
If nobody can find an actual quote that says Democrats want to lose the war, then why do others keep saying that is what Democrats say??
Give me an example chas.
I think that many democrats are invested in defeat. Their actions and words prove it. They voted for the war and then immediatly began undermining the efforts of our troops and president.
They don’t have to say we want to lose. Voting for surrender is proof enough for me.
Hnak
So chas,
If you can’t find me a quote by somebody that says democrats say they want to lose the war, then why do you keep saying that is what others say??
Hank
Since Kansas has left the blog can I use his NIC?
How long does someone have to be officially “gone” before their NIC’s are fair game?
Just askin’
Five days, ten hours, twenty minutes until the boycott!
Hank
He might be back Jr. We’re reserving his nic.
Hank
“Hell, we won the war in two weeks in Iraq.”
–Hank
“That is asking to withdraw before winning.”
–American Way
Would you two gentlemen like to hash this out between you? Either the war is over, as Hank says, or it contnues, as American Way suggets.
(American Way, if you aren’t male, please accept my apology for assuming you are.)
Hank,
It’s all over the radio… Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Doyle, Larson, Ingraham, every one of the Talk Radio people spew out every day how the Democrats want US to lose the war…
As for re-deploying troops.. I hardly call that losing… Since it would undoubtedly save a lot of lives… both ours and Iraqi’s…
Amer. Way, You provided no quote, or link… Just a rationale that is similar in nature to all of the Talk Radio people…
I dont think anybody can find a quotation of a Democrat saying they want US to lose the war… Which is why it probably isnt a true statement, after all this time…
Well Hank, he does have a special NIC, being in Kansas and all. I’d sort of like to use it.
But if you are reserving them, I guess I’ll wait until some other event causes him to leave.
If you give me his, you can have any of the libs NIC’s you want. I wouldn’t want those. None of them have a nice ring to them.
Maybe this will help you Chas:
As to the Liberal Socialist Democrat Congress, with the lowest approval rating in history, why are they not keeping their promise to end the Iraq war now?
If they think it is the right thing, why don’t they do the right thing? Or don’t they think pulling out of Iraq is the right thing? They promised last year before the elections that they would pull the US out of Iraq.
They appear to be worried that it might be the wrong thing to pull out of Iraq. If millions die in a bloodbath after the US leaves, the Democrats would be clearly accountable. They can’t stand being accountable.
Yet they are faced with a dilemma because if they don’t pull US troops out of Iraq, their record low approval rating will likely continue, and they will lose the majority in Congress. They will lose Power!
During lunch with Hillary the other day, I had the chance to analyze this dilemma from the Liberal Socialist Democrat Perspective:
Decision: Pull out of Iraq.
Outcome A: No problem, nothing much different happens. Good thing. Surrender for US is a victory for Democrats.
Outcome B: Millions killed in a bloodbath and regional war in the Mid East breaks out. Bad thing. Democrats lose.
Decision: Don’t Pull out of Iraq.
Outcome C: Nothing much changes. But low approvals and the Broken Promise causes Dems to lose Congress in 2008. Bad thing for Democrats.
Outcome D: Situation in Iraq improves. Victory for the US. Broken Promise causes Dems to lose Congress in 2008. Bad thing for Democrats.
Outcome E: Situation in Iraq gets worse. Bad for US and bad for Democrats, because the Broken Promise and the worsening Iraq situation leads to totally P-O Democrats. Bad thing for Democrats.
CONCLUSION:
So you see, in NO CASE, does Victory in Iraq help the Democrats.
The ONLY way the Democrats might win and might keep their power is if they force a Surrender (or I mean withdrawal) from Iraq, and nothing much changes there. Then when America is defeated the Democrats win! The dilemma though is that this Surrender approach will cause Democrats to lose for sure, if a bloodbath and/or regional war breaks out in the Mideast.
Bottom Line: Democrats need to have balls to do what they think is right. Surrender in Iraq and face the consequences. Let the chips fall where they may. You either Win Big (and America loses) or you Lose Big (and no one wins or America wins).
You Democrats have the balls to do the right thing?
Are you sure you are doing the right thing? Are you sure you have balls?
Max, Max, The Democrats cant get a vote through to stop the war, because they dont have enough votes… All they have is a simple majority… and lately, all they have had to vote on takes a 2/3 majority…. That should be simple enough to figure out… If they dont have the votes, they can vote to end the war all day, and not get that to happen… it isnt their fault… They are trying!!
Would you two gentlemen like to hash this out between you? Either the war is over, as Hank says, or it contnues, as American Way suggets. Posted by: Rox
No fair taking two posters out of context and plugging them together. That’s awful! How could you do that! (and why didn’t I think of that first. Curses, foiled again)
Gen. Custer didnt want to lose his battle either… But, he also refused to drop back, and re-deploy… and so he lost… Maybe this thing goes both ways???
Rox, that really wasnt my original point, but your thought is well taken… Hank believes the war is already won, but that we need to stick in there, until we pawn off our form of government to people who have never known any hint of democracy in their entire history….
Amer. Way is apparently afraid that if we withdraw our troops to a point of relative safety, that we are somehow surrendering…
I, on the other hand, am just looking for somebody/anybody, to show a real quotation where any Democrat, or Republican opposed to the war, saying that they want us to LOSE the war… I dont think such a quotation exists…
All that exists is radio show rantings that claim that Democrats want US to lose the war…
And now I see that the many Kansas wannabee sock puppets are emerging from their drawer, and it isnt even 2 p.m. SO, I am outta here till later…
Have a nice day!!
it isnt their fault… They are trying!!Posted by: Chas.
Well they are not trying hard enough. Besides, many of their leaders running for President are now FOR continuing the war for an UNFORSEABLE FUTURE. How can your party be voting to bring the boys home NOW, and their leaders say we are staying until at LEAST 2013?
I’m not disagreeing with you: I don’t have a quote of a democrat stating they want to fail in Iraq.
But something is rotten in Libmark.
Max, Max, The Democrats cant get a vote through to stop the war, because they dont have enough votes… All they have is a simple majority… and lately, all they have had to vote on takes a 2/3 majority…. That should be simple enough to figure out… If they dont have the votes, they can vote to end the war all day, and not get that to happen… it isnt their fault… They are trying!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 16, 2007 at 01:46 PM
BS! You are wrong Chas. Drinkin the koolaide again.
The war in Iraq stops if Congress simply fails to act to fund the war. (H*ll, they haven’t passed the 2008 budgets due 10/1 yet!)
There is no VETO threat to OVERCOME! There is no spending bill for Iraq to VETO! BUSH CANNOT FORCE CONGRESS TO FUND THE WAR!
Or, Congress can revise the existing budget to defund the war now. Now the change to the existing budget could be vetoed by Bush.
But this Democratic Congress has already voted to fund the war in 2007! The Democrats LIED to everybody in 2006 when they said they would END THE WAR!
Don’t give me that crap that Congress can’t stop it because they don’t have enough of a majority!
The Liberal Socialist Democrat Congress does not have the BALLS or the GUTS to do what they said they would do – END THE IRAQ WAR!
Why? See my post above.
The Dems want to dodge ALL responsibility for what happens in Iraq – unless it turns out well, of course.
chas,
“It’s all over the radio… Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Doyle, Larson, Ingraham, every one of the Talk Radio people spew out every day how the Democrats want US to lose the war…”
I agree! So what? That’s not them saying that democrats are admiting they want us to lose. You’re not that dense.
Give me an example of any one of them saying that a democrat has said they want to lose the war.
Wanting to rob you and trying to rob you is different from admitting in public that I want to rob you but not admitting it publicly doesn’t change the fact that I want to rob you.
We’ve given you ample evidence that the democrats are invested in and actively working for defeat.
Hank
How about a quote from a Democrat saying they want America to win the war in Iraq?
Yeah, right.
American Way,
How was that taken out of context? It seemed to sum up your point, which is that we are still in a war, and defunding is wrong. Hank says the war is over.
If the two of you want to disagree on that point, go for it. I’m just attempting to find out the truth as the Republicans see it.
Max, I’d like to see us win this “war”.
But then Hank says we’ve already won the war, so what am I supposed to say now?
How about… I’d like to see a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Iraq with a win-win solution for all.
Will that suffice?
Hell, even the leading democrat hopefuls for president in ‘08 admit that they will not end the war until 2013!
It’s about time you liberals admited that it’s the United States that is at war. It’s Americans that are fighting this war against terrorists. If you want our trrops to come home, support them in their mission and get behind them.
We can win as a nation, but when the president is at war with the terrorists and the entire democrat party is behind defeat we could posibly lose.
“Give me an example of any one of them saying that a democrat has said they want to lose the war.”– Hank –
Now, Hank, since they are on Audio, that would be a bit hard — However, just turn your radio on to 1330 AM, Hannity will no doubt say that very thing at least 30 times or more in the first hour… or maybe two hours…
Surely you have heard it… or heard about it?? If not, just gie it a listen… and you will definitely hear Hannity say over and over and over, how the Democrats want us to lose the war… and how they say it, too…
But Hannity cant come up with a sound bite, or a quote… Just what HE says, his audience is supposed to swallow – hook, line, and sinker…
Intellectual dishonesty is so ugly.
We already won in Iraq.
Game over.
Thanks for playing.
The agenda, as Hank knows and supports, is a permanent US presence on the Arabian penensula.
For Hank at least, arguing about winning or succeding or when our troops come home is intellectually dishonest. It isn’t in the plan.
It never was.
Hank,
Would you make a promise you knew you might not be able to keep?
Come on Rox,
You’re smarter than that! You know exactly what each of us is saying and there is no confusion.
We’ve won the war in Iraq, but if we withdraw now and allow the insurgents from Iran to fill the void we can still lose.
It’s like winning a hand at poker and leaving the table without picking up the chips.
Hank
“Hell, even the leading democrat hopefuls for president in ‘08 admit that they will not end the war until 2013!” — Hank –
Did you actually listen to the debate?? When the candidates were asked if they could get out of Iraq by 2013, they did NOT say they couldnt accomplish that… What they DID say, was they could not commit to that, because, are you ready?? — Because they didnt know what they would find when they got to the White House!!
So, NO, sir, they did NOT say they could not end the war by 2013..
In fact, Hillary has said a number of times, that as soon as she was President, she would begin to withdraw the troops, and bring them home… THAT is what she said, and some of the others said the same… Kucinich said he would have the troops out of Iraq ASAP if he won the White House… The only one who said it might take longer, was Joe Biden… And he isnt a serious candidate anyway… LOL
Pssst… I’m not a big fan of Hillary at the moment either…
Hank,
I don’t disagree with your statement about having won the war. Technically, that may be true, except technically it was never a war.
Yes, the problem is the current aftermath and the Iraq government that has no control. I have to blame that on the way the invasion/war was handled in the beginning.
I didn’t hear anyone say let’s stay in Nam. When I got back from there I was in San Fran on my way home & had to knock a few heads because they spit on me & called me names I never heard before. I didn’t want to go to nam I was ordered to like everyone else that was there. I did not enjoy it . War sucks, losing buddies sucks, being so scared you piss your pants sucks, but I was lucky I made it with only a scratch & some shrapnel. Anyone that thinks our soldiers like getting shot at is STUPID. They will do their duty because that’s what soldiers do. Those of you that may remember vietnam may try remembering how it really was with the American public at that time. I returned in 1969 & I don’t think I miss a damn thing about vietnam.
Chas, if it makes you feel better, I’m not a big fan of hers as far as a presidential candidate goes, either. :)
I say get the internationl community involved in the long term maintenance of Iraq.
How you ask? Given the way bush and company dissed practically the whole world going into this?
Give bush and cronies to the world court. They made the mess. Let them pay for it.
Rox,
Why don’t you let my dad know what you are saying about us at the other thread?
What you really think of us?
Go ahead. Here is your chance to do it to his face.
bill,
Forgive me, but I’m not getting your point. Obviously someone was saying ‘let’s stay in Nam’ or we’d have been out long before 1969.
As for the spitting on returning soldiers, that was unforgivable. Maybe if the PTB (powers that be) had listened to what the people in this country wanted, it wouldn’t have happened.
10 years in Nam. We’re almost half-way to that in Iraq.
Nathan,
As you well know, I was commenting on someone else’s post. I will NOT bring what someone else said on that forum to this one, nor discuss that forum on this one.
If it would make you feel better, I’ll email your father privately and include what I said.
We will continue to agree to disagree on several subjects, I’m sure.
Who was it Hubbard that bush canned after he said the war might cost 200 bil.? Funny, we’re now spending about that yearly. Guess bush didn’t want him leaking his ambitions prematurely, until we were thoroughly bogged down.
Rox,
Please do email him. What you said was what you said. It was about my father and I by name.
Just because you were commenting on someone elses post doesn’t change the context of what you said.
I find it odd that you will say those things about my father and I somewhere that we don’t post at, but then refuse to do it here.
Keep pretending like your little blog over there is better than this one.
It is only pretend.
Hey junior,
“Intellectual dishonesty is so ugly.”
Well, you’ld be the one that knows.
“The agenda, as Hank knows and supports, is a permanent US presence on the Arabian penensula.”
I’m not sure I’d call it an agenda. We’ve had a military presence there since the end of the first world war. We’ll have one there for many years to come.
Our presence will be required there rather a democrat, republican or socialist like Hillary is president.
Fact, agenda? Maybe. But don’t use it to call me dishonest.
Pragmatic would be a better word.
Hank
It’s the most dishonest strategy in the world with bush and his handlers who made this.
In for a penny in for a pound.
The costs in blood and treasure on “the mission” become the justification for continuing the mission.
Nathan,
Are you enjoying posting on two blogs?
“….a lot of people may be taking what the 3rd ranking
Democrat (Clyburn) stated, incredibly, that good news in Iraq was essentially bad news for Democrats. ”
That’s taking it more than a little out of context. If I remember he was asked what would the impact be on Democratic Strategy if Petreaus came back with a good report — it would be bad news for the Dems because they would have to think of another way to unseat the Pres …..
……. he did not say they do not want the strategy to fail —–
Not really.
Don’t worry. I have no intention of ruinging your little world with a differing opinion.
You guys obviously couldn’t handle it.
I was only posting in the one thread where you calimed to be free of name calling while bad mouthing my father and I.
“…..that it’s the United States that is at war.”
Sorry Hank
The US is not at war — or all of us would be making some sacrifice to prosecute the war …. the only ones at war are our soldiers and their families —
…. and the politicians that want us to think they are warring with each other so we are distracted by their insanity —–
I believe you’ve said it once before words to the effect that neither party has served us very well over the decades ….
……. he did not say they do not want the strategy to fail —–
sorry should read
he did not say they wanted the strategy to fail .
Nathan,
I post on at least three other blogs. Do you want the URLs so you can harrass me there, too?
Is there a problem with someone gravitating to those who are like-minded, whether it be politics or career or hobby?
The agenda, as Hank knows and supports, is a permanent US presence on the Arabian penensula.It never was.
Posted by: J R
You do know that even Hillary Clinton has stated that we will keep a small force over there? I believe she used the word base.
“Permanent” is a long time. But I think I could say even our bases in Germany and Japan are not there “permanently”.
With Hillary coming on board with the republicans on issues, we may not be that far apart.
Who’s side are you on?
Rox,
Harass you?
LOL
How is wondering how you can claim that your other blog is free from name calling while you bad mouth my father and I harassing you?
Harassing you would be posting in every thread over there and encouraging the trolls here to do the same.
That would be harassament.
Perhaps if you wouldn’t talk about people behind their back they wouldn’t say anything to you when they find out.
If you had any intestinal fortitude at all that is.
I would never have posted there until I seen you were talkin about me and my father.
I have known about that blog ever since it started.
I knew that the posters there and I were not on good terms and chose to leave them alone and not start anything by being annoying.
So what does that say about my character?
it shows you have enough character to admit you are annoying…because you are.
BTW, the letter is up to 56,000!
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
Nathan, are you going to answer my question?
“I posted what Nathan posted, in the past, that supported my “seems” claims about him.
NOW Nathan, post what I, and J R posted that supports your above “seems” posts.”
Posted by: cosmos | October 16, 2007 at 12:51 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–12.html#comment-86537366
Cosmos,
The web stalker.
You SEEM to be nothing more than the blog terrorist.
We SHOULD call you the Theodore John Kaczynski of the blog.
“IT SEEMS as if JR watches gay porn while beating his son.
He has yet to deny it…”
Posted by: Nathan | October 16, 2007 at 12:29 AM
Has he denied it yet?
I was just playing your silly game of semantics.
Nathan,
No, you were making personal attacks with zero proof.
I have proof supporting my “seems” claim about you.
You posted, “Are the effects bad?”
Your posts suggest that you believe non-peer reviewed skeptics, like Steven Milloy, Avery, and Singer.
You do seem to “deny” the peer-reviewed climate science.
You are a sheep.Posted by: Nathan | September 14, 2007 at 03:41 PM
Baby killer.Posted by: Nathan | September 12, 2007 at 03:30 PM
I have consistenly tried to refrain from the absurdity of calling each other namesPosted by: Nathan | September 12, 2007 at 05:22 PM
I was just playing your silly game of semantics.Posted by: Nathan | October 16, 2007 at 03:14 PM
Why is it that the phrase “lying hypocrite” comes so readily to mind?
Cosmos,
Do you honestly think I am going to treat you with an ounce of respect or any credibility at all after your comments last night?
Post your little links. Do what it is that you do.
Don’t pretend like we are going to have anything near a normal discussion when you are incapable of having one.
Tom,
I am glad that I have you here to keep me straight.
Thank you.
Well I guess I better deny it then.
No I do not beat my son.
No I do not watch gay porn.
I’ve known you a long time Natham. For you to say what you said was just plain wrong. And I was so surprised and shocked by it I did not even think it could have come outta you. I blamed a troll.
Next time you want to post hypothetical, vile slurs, could you choose a hypothetical person?
Thanks. And whatever is bothering you that made you do that, I honestly hope it gets better or over with or whatever.
Jay
JR,
All I did was ask you questions.
I merely said IT SEEMS like you did those things.
Remember, saying ‘IT SEEMS’ in front of something makes it ok.
Nathan,
I posted an accurate statement about you, that was based on what you’ve posted on WE Blog.
You posted false attacks on J R and me, based on nothing.
If you are unable to understand the difference between my accurate, reality based post, and your false, invented one, you’re a waste of time.
I wouldn’t buy stocks in Oil. When that corruption scheme crashes, it’s going to hurt worse than Enron.Posted by: political_mom
You should be snapping up shares in the widely known ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM).I’d pick Sasol (NYSE: SSL) or overseas favorites PetroChina (NYSE: PTR) and Petrobras (NYSE: PBR). When it comes to dividends, most oil companies are tightwads. Although BP yields 3.4% and Shell Transport & Trading a very respectable 5.5%, many oil stocks pay less than 1% or no dividend at all. For instance, Apache has a yield of just 0.6%, Anadarko Petroleum and Burlington Resources (BR) only 0.7% and Pogo Producing (PPP) 0.6%.
I’ll be here to give you investment advice mamma.
http://rtc.revolt.org/
A Cosmos Club?
Stop global warming or else!
After the below post, name calling began today:
“it shows you have enough character to admit you are annoying…because you are.Posted by: noone special | October 16, 2007 at 03:00 PM”
At this point: Cosmos, J R, and Tom began posting.
The WEBLOG dies for the night.
No more interesting discussions or free exchange of ideas. And you think TROLLS are bad?
Get real, you are your own enemy.
JR,
I apologize for what I said.
I didn’t mean to actually imply anything by it.
It was only a demonstration of what a loaded question was and the absudity of assuming that saying ‘IT SEEMS’ in front of something makes it ok.
‘Ancient Fossil Evidence Supports Carbon Dioxide As Driver Of Global Warming’http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071016090525.htm
“The first published tests with the method further support the view that atmospheric CO2 has contributed to dramatic climate variations in the past, and strengthen projections that human CO2 emissions could cause global warming.”More at link.
‘Ancient Fossil Evidence Supports Carbon Dioxide As Driver Of Global Warming’
You fool, God planted fossils to test our faith. Didn’t you know that?
The fourth annual Pro-life Day of Silent Solidarity is a day for pro-life students to impact their peers on abortion. Stand True Ministries has sponsored the annual event, which will take place this year on Tuesday, October 23. Thousands of students at junior high and high schools and college campuses in the USofA and Canada will take a vow of silence to express their contempt for abortion. They will also hand out literature discussing how abortion has claimed one-third of their generation and continues to take the lives of over 4,000 babies per day in the USofA alone. Home schoolers will be distributing flyers in malls and public areas.At least 16 babies were allowed to live because of this effort last year.See pagehttp://www.silentday.org/
“I didn’t mean to actually imply anything by it.”
Posted by: Nathan
When you use “seem” you ARE implying something.
The key point is whether you have proof to back up what you imply.
Kitrell,
I was merely reposting comments by our young friend Nathan. I know how proud he is of each and every word he publishes, no matter how self-righteous he may seem to those too ignorant to appreciate him for who he is.
In Scotland, a safe sex campaign is now branded a complete failure, after huge amounts of taxpayer funds were poured into ineffective condoms and even more ineffective morning-after abortifacients (without parental knowledge), attempting to reduce rampant teenage pregnancy. The result: nearly 700 girls aged 15 or younger became pregnant in the region during the past six years.Meanwhile, the Portland, ME School Committee will consider a proposal to expand the King Middle School’s Student Health Center condom distribution program to include contraceptives and the dangerous morning-after abortifacient, without parental notification, for girls age 11-13. 4% of King Middle School students are now fornicating, and the number of fornicating middle school students statewide dropped from 23% in 1997 to 13% in 2005.Nationally, the top five reproductive health services offered at school-based health centers were, in descending order: pregnancy testing, abstinence counseling, HIV/AIDS counseling, birth control counseling, and the diagnosis and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases.Meanwhile, a new study shows that parental consent and notification laws restricting abortions committed by minors will limit the spread of teenage gonorrhea as well as limiting teenage abortions. Gonorrhea infections have dropped as much as 20% among white and Hispanic teens, in response to the enactment of parental involvement laws restricting abortions. Currently 44 states have enacted parental involvement laws, 24 requiring parental consent, and 10 states, including Kansas, require parental notification. Leftist, activist, baby-hating judges in 9 states have blocked parental involvement laws, and New Mexico’s law is blocked by the baby-hating attorney general. Connecticut, Hawaii, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia have enacted no parental involvement laws.
The Nevada Supreme Court has postponed the execution of William Castillo, 34, convicted of beating an elderly woman to death with a tire iron, just in case the U.S. Supreme Court should find that lethal injection might not be painless and foolproof enough for such a brutal killer.The ACLU says that it is legally and morally right for them to thus interfere with our God-given right to capital punishment, even if we don’t use tire irons for executions.
Parkay,
God didn’t “give” any “rights” to execute people, nor did God specify how said executions are to be carried out. In case you hadn’t noticed, our Constitution and our laws are all secular, and every person in the United States has a right to due process under those laws.
If you don’t like it, too bad.
Tom, I think Nathan WAS playing a semantic game–he just didn’t bother to say that up front. Bad decision.
Oh, Margarine? God speaks!:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28151
Rox,my point is WAR SUCKS!! There would be no war if “the powers that be” were the first in to fight. If they had to put their life on the line they would negotiate instead of fight. That is what should have happened in iraq, instead of “iffy” if not maniulated intelligence, if we talked then perhaps we would not be losing blood in a hell hole. If we all got together & proposed a constitutional amendment stating that congress would be the first wave of troops into a hot spot we wouldn’t have any more fighting. They aren’t crazy they wouldn’t want to fight & have the possibility of losing the support of their lobbying buddies & all their money.
I was merely reposting comments by our young friend Nathan. I know how proud he is of each and every word he publishes, no matter how self-righteous he may seem to those too ignorant to appreciate him for who he is.
Posted by: Tom | October 16, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Likewise, when Chas’s posts are reposted, no one should have any problem with that.
Taxpayer dollars going for this study! Have we cured Cancer yet? Have we cured Heart Disease yet? Have we cured Aids yet?
No, but we still have lotsa money to figure our if homosexuals are born homosexual or choose to be that way.
Lotta good that will do to know the answer to that question.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302066,00.html
The federally funded study, led by Chicago-area researchers, will rely on blood or saliva samples to help scientists search for genetic clues to the origins of homosexuality.
I nominate this police action for the National Crime Stopper of the Year Award!
For once I agree with the ACLU.
Don’t we have murderers, rapists, and jaywalkers to catch?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302277,00.html
Woman Overheard Yelling Obscenities at Toilet Could Face Jail TimeTuesday, October 16, 2007
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SCRANTON, Pa. — A woman who allegedly shouted profanities at her overflowing toilet within earshot of a neighbor was cited for disorderly conduct, authorities said.
Dawn Herb could face up to 90 days in jail and a fine of up to $300 (euro212).
“It doesn’t make any sense. I was in my house. It’s not like I was outside or drunk,” Herb told The Times-Tribune of Scranton. “The toilet was overflowing and leaking down into the kitchen and I was yelling (for my daughter) to get the mop.”
Herb does not recall exactly what she said, but she admitted letting more than a few bad words fly near an open bathroom window Thursday night.
Her next-door neighbor, a city police officer who was off-duty at the time, asked her to keep it down, police said. When she continued, the officer called police.
Mary Catherine Roper, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union in Philadelphia, took issue with the citation.
“You can’t prosecute somebody for swearing at a cop or a toilet,” she said.
Prisoner Babs:”Say Dawn baby, whatta ya in for?”
Dawn Herb”Nothing! I just swore at my toilet, that’s all!”
Prisoner Babs:”Yeah right! That story beats all stories Dawn baby! Say Dawn, you wanta be on top? I’ll call you Dan!”
Thanks Nathan.
Like I say, waaaay outta character for you.
I hope you understand the implied compliment my saying that.
I had somebody do me even dirtier the other day. But I have no regard tor thst person and no one else does either.
I’ve been known to swing the sledgehammmer pretty wild myself now and again. It happens.
heh heh I like exploring the archives or searching for old posts. I got some stuff back there that would take the grease off an engine block!
Max
Government has gone insane, both a home and abroad and just about everyone is afraid to talk about it.
Max,
So you think public policy about gay and lesbian Americans should be made on the basis of ignorance? No studies at all – just base laws on one’s homophobia, right?
Right.
Seriously JR,
Even though my point was never to insult you or your son with those remarks, I defenately should have used a different example than I did.
What difference will this study make Tom?
If the study says there is no genetic difference, the gay community will be accused of volunteering for this lifestyle or at best, perhaps there are environmental causes.
If the study says there are genetic differences, the gay community will be accused of being abnormal. Also, parents may start testing in-vitro to abort any babies that might be gay, at least gay per a genetic test.
I don’t see ANY upside for gay people on this one, and all taxpayers lose.
What am I missing?
And as for public policy and laws, it’s my opinion that all Americans are protected (or should be) equally by the US Constitution.
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868 Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Well,
I understand the rhetorical tac. “when did you stop beating your wife”And I know where you were going about loaded questions.
It was your delivery was off.Too, it invited people you and I don’t know to speculate about past comments I might have made that …
Aw heck forget it. I owed you one on that old “Hankathan” bit anyway. Apology accepted.
heh hehI should tell the newbies THAT story sometime!
Below is the comment I made elsewhere that Nathan has taken exception to. It is the full quote without revision.
“I will revise one part though. Those like Nathan and Hank and their guns are not silly, they’re deranged. :)”(This was in reference to the thread here about teachers carrying guns.)
After a “joking” (Nathan’s words) threat made to a group of people who were planning to meet socially, I don’t feel that “deranged” was all that far off, yet it was a word too strong to use.
Hank, I apologize to you for including your name. You have a love of guns I don’t share, but you ALL have a constitutional right to have them and, in this state now, to carry them concealed. I do not intend to do anything to change that. However, I don’t have to jump up and down with joy about it.
As I told Nathan, that’s my opinion. Both he and his father are aware of it. As far as I know, it’s still a free country where I can voice my opinion, just as they can own guns.
I totally agree with all you have said……………except, that I think both Hank AND Nathan are deranged gun nuts, among other things.
Looks like Obama’s race is over before it got started! Imagine having the albatross of being a cousin of Darth Vader Cheney!Cheney and Obama are distant cousins: Mrs. Cheney 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – There’s no sign of a family reunion planned, but U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama are distant cousins.
ADVERTISEMENTSo says the vice president’s wife, Lynne Cheney, who said she discovered that her husband of 43 years is eighth cousins with the senator from Illinois.
The two men could hardly be more different. Cheney is an advocate for pursuing the war in Iraq to try to stabilize the country, while Obama wants to get U.S. troops out of Iraq.
Mrs. Cheney told MSNBC on Tuesday that it was “an amazing American story that one ancestor … could be responsible down the family line for lives that have taken such different and varied paths.”
The common ancestor was Mareen Devall, who the Chicago Sun-Times said was a 17th century immigrant from France.
Mrs. Cheney said she discovered the link through family research for her new book, “Blue Skies, No Fences,” about growing up in Wyoming.
(To read more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters “Tales from the Trail: 2008″ online at http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/)
Rox,
Thank you.
The point isn’t that you are not free to voice your opinion.
The point is that you do so in another blog where you all cheer each other for how civil you are while you call others deranged where they are not there to defend themselves.
That was the point.
Wait a minute…
That wasn’t even an apology to me. You said you were sorry for “including” my fathers name.
So, you still call me deranged then?
Rox,
Thank you.
The point isn’t that you are not free to voice your opinion.
The point is that you do so in another blog where you all cheer each other for how civil you are while you call others deranged where they are not there to defend themselves.
That was the point.
Posted by: Nathan | October 16, 2007 at 06:39 PM
Is the tough little marine-boy feeling picked on? Are we supposed to care about your self esteem?
What the deuce?
Not ONLY is Larry Craig appealing, but he’s doing interviews all over the media!!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like this guy. I feel for his family.
SO,,,what do you all in the Republican way of thinking want to do with this guy?
Forgive and forget?
Hope he gets hit by a falling sattelite?
Heh, heh, heh,
Just the sight of my cold hard steel is enough to scare you anti-gun nuts away!
Go dial 911, cower in your closets, pray you can defend yourself, don’t fight back, just beg…
As your spirit rises to the heavens, you will say “Crap, I should of had a 45!”
Uh…
Was THAT an answer to my Larry Craig post?
Interesting, J R,
Why is this pantload Craig my problem? I don’t think Jefferson in New Orleans is yours.
I feel sorry for him. I think the republicans in the Senate should stick up for him.
If the democrats want to use him as a club to beat us over the head with, we should fight back. Show the nation how shallow they really are.
Hank
Sorry, the boy used my ‘puter to apologize to J R.
Also, parents may start testing in-vitro to abort any babies that might be gay, at least gay per a genetic test.I don’t see ANY upside for gay people on this one, and all taxpayers lose.
What am I missing?Posted by: Max |
Max this goes much further. Many tests are now available on the fetus in the womb to test for genetic and blood inherited disease. For example, a woman can test her baby for the genetic mark for sickle cell disease, cystic fibrosis, hemophilia , and Phenylketonuria (an important cause of mental retardation usually known as PKU). Early methods have allowed detection of at least 50 other genetic diseases, including Down’s syndrome and Tay-Sachs disease. The newer DNA studies are far safer for the fetus.
This is a great and positive advance of medicine.
The possibility of comprehensive genetic profiles is not to far into the future. . These could also show exceptional risk of a major illness such as heart disease, diabetes or even schizophrenia. The growing ability to detect faulty genes appears to be reducing substantially the number of cases certain disease in the population.
And along with the great advances in genetic testing comes great responsibility. Do you tell a mother that the child she is bearing will suffer a disease later in life? Blood diseases, diabetes, cancer, or even Alzheimers?
On the plus side, doctors will be able to conduct genetic surgery on an unborn child. Imagine how wonderful it will be for doctors to correct genetic defects in the womb so the child will live a complete and full life!
But again, great responsibility will fall on both the parents, physician,and in some cases religious leaders who are trusted for decisions.Not always will they be faced with a clear cut right or wrong decision.Abort, or genetic surgery? Or neither?
If we can eliminate some inherited diseases with genetic surgery, most people would be all for it.
But if you determine that sexual preference, is a genetic alteration – what decision will a tolerant society make? Abort, genetic surgery to correct, or leave it be?
Very cute, Deranged. Now go clean your gun. We wouldn’t want it to malfunction on you. :)
So Kitrell what you are saying is that if I know my kid is going to be born with homosexual tendencies, I could have the defect genetically corrected?
My boy will be a man?
Well Hank or Nathan or anyone
I tried to recreate what Craig says happened.
(Not the signalling and that stuff. Just the “wide stance” thing)
What Craig says really does not wash. To touch anothers foot from one stall to another, both stall occupants almost gotta be TRYING to. Try it yourself.
I think this is why Craig protests “entrapment”.
There is little doubt my mind what he was doing in that stall.
The dems should stay far away from this. Heck, maybe they should even DEFEND Craig if the Rs try to bounce him.
Your feelings aside Hank, I am pretty sure that is what they will do.
Gotta give it to the guy for sticking his guns though.
Just read what I wrote.
What I meant to say is my son would grow up and like girlsand my daughter would growup and marry a man.
Nathan,
As far as I know, you are not deranged. You’d know that if you paid attention. I apologize for using that word. I might, however, say it to your face, but I’d do it with a smile, just as I did with my original post.
Thank you Rox.
And Rox my dear,
No apology required. In the grand scheme of things, I imagine we are closer together in our beliefs than you might think.
Deranged? Yea, probably. But ask anyone that knows me and they’ll say it’s over dogs. We bought a motor home for our dogs. We bought sheep for our dogs. I have goats for my dogs.
I spend a great deal of my spare time fixing fence and arranging ways to get hay and feed for my goats and sheep. . .for my dogs.
My wife’s inlaws and my inlaws think we are crazy because of the time and money we spend on dogs.
If that’s not enough we rescue dogs. I average finding homes for about 30 dogs a year. I spend a great deal of time on paper work and records to qualify for a rescue home license and to keep up my list of prospective homes for dogs. I spend a lot of time qualifying people to adopt rescue dogs. I spend a lot of time transporting dogs for other rescue groups. I spent over $10,000 last year getting dogs out of puppy mills.
Now, you might think that I’m a gun nut merely because I post on threads about guns that interest me, but Joyce and I have friends, good friends that stay with us during dog shows that have no clue that we have guns in the house!
Deranged? Maybe. Obsessed? Probably. But nothing to do with guns.
Hank
(did I mention that I have horses and collect antique buggies?)
Hank,
We all have our little, um, derangements. :)
Hank,
Do your dogs live in the motor home?
We use it to go to herding trials and dog shows. It’s easier to be able to stay on a farm or ranch in our motor home during a herding trial.
Just got back from Pennsylvania alst week.
Hank
Then you aren’t deranged with your dogs, either, Hank. Now, if you’d bought the mh for the dogs to live in–simply live in–I might think you were a tad bit off your rocker. (I knew you’d pass the test.)
I wonder why the Liberal Democrats consider Senator Craig to be baggage? To be Nathan’s problem? To be a problem for Republicans or Conservatives?
The Democrats have long been the party siding with the gay rights issues (VP Cheney’s gay daughter not withstanding).
So, Why criticize Craig for being gay? And why aren’t you more kind, compasionate, and caring about a man who is struggling with coming out of the closet?
Sure, Craig took hard stands against gay rights, but don’t you kind, compassionate, and caring Liberal Democrats understand what a difficult self-conflict Senator Craig had with himself and the fear he had of coming out?
You Lib Dems are not very kind, caring, or compassionate after all.
Barney Frank Wept!
I don’t have a problem with Craig! I think what he did is gross. Soliciting anonymous restroom sex in a unisex bathroom would gross me out too. I didn’t call him Nathan’s problem either.
I was just seeking the opinion of cons here to get an idea what is coming. And was I surprised.
I figured Hank would be first to pitch him uncer the bus.
I still say that is what will happen. I’m not for it but oh the political theatre!
Craig is a sick and hypocritical man. He should not be a US Senator from either party.
If he won’t quit, kick him out.
Hank surprised me.
Max did not.
JR, even if you could think, I wouldn’t give a crap what you thought.
Have a nice day. Drown in your Liberal Socialist Democratic pool of hate, hypocracy, and lies.
Thanks Max. I love you too!
( Max is recovering from a detonation on the thread next door)
That’s I think 1 for craig and one who wants him whacked.
Caught a few minutes of Craig’s interview, I bet gaydars were going off all over America!
I’m not sure he’s gay. I heard there are hetero guys who do this.
I bet all of us are a little edgy in bathrooms these days! I know I am.
JR, I could give a crap what you do in bathrooms.
If you are insecure, that’s your problem. Please don’t share your personal problems with the WWW.
Hey, when’s the boycott start?
Can’t wait.
Hank, you have an acreage with horses, sheep, and what else?
I’ve been exploring the hobby farm approach to life.
Wife is a Vet, can raise Sheep and Goats on a small acreage. Farm a few acres of corn and hay for feed. Raise some chickens for meat and eggs. Have some cattle too, just so I can still eat my T-bones and ribeyes rare! Will hunt some venison on my land too.
Nothing better then fresh sheep’s milk cheese. Ethnic market for goat meat is growing rapidly. Sheep wool could be made into some nice wool blankets, thread, etc…..
Could supplement income for now, and when the sh*t hits the fan and the Socialists take over, I’ll ‘retire’ and live off the land being self-sufficient. Get enough land for the kids to do the same.
The Socialist Liberal Democrats can raise tax rates as high as they want, can raise SS/Medicare taxes too, cut SS/Medicare benefits too, set-up HillaryCare!, and being a poor farmer, I won’t pay a dime in taxes. Will also collect a mint in farmer subsidies. I’ll be feeding the world and feeding your cars, you know.
So Hillary can pound sand if she want’s more tax money from me. And the Socialists with their sunglasses and tin cups can look elsewhere for their free money. And who will actually do the work? I won’t care! It won’t be me either! Ya see, I’ll be a Socialist too!
How’s it working out for you Hank?
Raise cain Max you’re better at it.
Hey Max,
I live in kind of a gated community. I say kinda gated because we only have one entrance but no gate. We have a homeowners association and an improvement district.
We have a lake, several ponds, an airstrip, a club house and about forty acres with barns and stables. So I don’t really own any ‘acreage’. Our covenants don’t allow any ‘cloven hoofs’ up at the stables, but I do have 11 of my goats up there. I have my sheep on five acres near Shulte.
I sold the idea of goats to the home owner’s association for ‘weed control’. (silly liberal environmentalists) I use them to train my dogs. (and weed control) Our common stables area currently only has four horses, three of which are ours.
I don’t use my sheep or goats for anything other than to train dogs. (and weed control) We do go on trail rides with our horses and each Christmas I bring Santa to the Christmas party with my buggy.
My wife has an antique travelers loom and a couple of spinning wheels. One of her hobbies is spinning and weaving and she can take wool from the barnyard to the finished garment.
I too dream of having acreage someday and I’ve been looking for around forty acres close to my home here. Too expensive! $5,000.00 plus and acre! I love my house and I’ll live here until I die probably. So if I can’t find some land near here I’ll probably be limited to a few tomato plants and a pepper or two.
Hank
PS Did I mention that I can catch bass and crappie in my back yard?
Hank! I’m jealous!
Say, Hank we may need to talk.
Been looking at some Eastern Europeans who take wool and spin into fabric and make fantastic natural material and clothing, the old fashioned way!
Also, sheep’s milk cheese, pottery, and other things made the way things have been made for thousands of years.
Natural, organic, stuff sells today you know!
I dont think I have ever quite see such rampant paranoia on the part of a few bloggers…. Amazing!!
I note that my question WAY earlier today has gone un-answered… That question was: What is the Right Wing definition of “Compassionate”? I thought that would be a good question, since that was one of Bush’s original talking points to get elected…
My wife does beautiful work, but she gives her stuff away. It’s very labor intensive and she has to love you if you get a sweater from her!
She spins all kinds of fibers. She has quite a collection of beardie hair yarn!
There is a lady near Andover that is making a variety of goat cheeses from her stock. Again, small operation, labor intensive.
We can talk, but I have very little time left to branch out!
Hank
Will er see this story in the Eagle some time soon?
NAVY SEAL TO RECEIVE MEDAL OF HONOR
Lt. Michael P. Murphy, the first to be awarded the highest military award for combat in Afghanistan, was killed during a 2005 mission.
By Tony Perry, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
October 12, 2007CORONADO — A Navy SEAL killed in Afghanistan will be awarded the Medal of Honor, the first such award for troops serving in Afghanistan and the first for a SEAL since the Vietnam War, the White House announced Thursday.Lt. Michael P. Murphy, 29, who had SEAL training here and was assigned to a SEAL team in Hawaii, was killed in June 2005 during a mission in the Hindu Kush mountains to find a key Taliban leader.
Ambushed by insurgents, Murphy’s four-man SEAL team engaged in a fierce firefight and was in danger of being overrun.
Although he was wounded, Murphy risked his life to save fellow SEALs and then maneuvered into an open position to send out an emergency call and to continue firing at the enemy. While making the call, he was hit again.
Only one of the SEALs on the team survived. Eight other SEALs and eight soldiers aboard a MH-47 Chinook helicopter sent to rescue Murphy’s team also were killed when the craft was brought down by a rocket-propelled grenade.
The incident was the worst single-day loss of life for Navy Special Warfare personnel since World War II.
“Mike Murphy was a true warrior, a true leader. No one cared more about his men than he did,” said a SEAL officer who asked to be identified only as Sean. Because their missions are secret, SEALs prefer to remain anonymous.
President Bush will present the Medal of Honor to Murphy’s parents on Oct. 22 at the White House.
Only two other military personnel — Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham and Army Sgt. 1st Class Paul Ray Smith — have been awarded the nation’s highest honor for bravery for actions undertaken since Bush sent troops into Afghanistan in 2001. Both of those awards were for bravery in Iraq and were posthumous.
The three other members of Murphy’s team — Matthew Axelson, 25, and Danny Dietz, 31, who were both killed, and Marcus Luttrell, 32 — have each been awarded the Navy Cross, second only to the Medal of Honor.
Luttrell is the author of “Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10.”
Murphy grew up on Long Island and graduated from Pennsylvania State University in 1998 with degrees in political science and psychology. He was commissioned a Navy ensign in 1999 and graduated from SEAL training in Coronado in 2001.
His father, Daniel, an attorney and a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, said the assignment to Afghanistan was particularly important to his son. Murphy had friends in the New York police and fire departments and wore an NYFD patch on his uniform.
“He told me, ‘We’re going where the people who planned, plotted and recruited for 9/11 are,’ ” Daniel Murphy said.
Murphy’s mother, Maureen, said the Medal of Honor meant that “now the world will know what his family has always known: how special he was.”
At the SEAL base in Coronado, Murphy and his teammates were the subject of numerous conversations as word of the White House announcement circulated.
Though SEALs’ grief lingers, they preferred to praise Murphy’s steely determination and leadership.
“I’ll remember him and those other guys every day of my life,” said Cory, a SEAL petty officer first class.
bet all of us are a little edgy in bathrooms these days! I know I am.
Posted by: J R |
No JR. I have no problem going in and taking a leak.
I am secure in my manhood, and would kick the -ss of anyone who dares look at me cross-eyed in the can.
It would be a nice excuse.
We can talk, but I have very little time left to branch out!
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | October 16, 2007 at 09:39 PM
Aw shoot Hank, I wasn’t lookin to branch out and form a business or anything. Just sharing some ideas is all.
Will find a way to connect some time I hope, may have to get a temporary email address to put up here.
Gnite.
Max
So if I can’t find some land near here I’ll probably be limited to a few tomato plants and a pepper or two.HankPS Did I mention that I can catch bass and crappie in my back yard?Posted by: Hank Price
Sounds like the American dream to me Hank. Next to Walleye, crappie are the best eating fish this side of anywhere.
I can field strip a crappie in a short. Kbar just behind the gills all the way up. Blade up along the backbone each side of the top fin – all the way down to the tail. Pull the scales back on each side to the tail – and you have two nice fillets!
Of course, a fishing pole beats the heck out of a air-cooled,gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi or fully automatic open cast spinning wheel anytime.
One of my favorite fishermen, a Mr. Puller was very good at it. He was known for his ice fishing. Did real well on a Lake Chosin.
The limit on crappie and blue gill is unknown. But he brought em all back dead or alive.
I have never posted under the name of JM and Eier.
Happy now?Posted by: RepubliKhan | March 09, 2007 at 10:36 PM
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USE OF SMILEY FACES
Really, it’s that simple. :)Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 11:56 AM:)Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 01:39 PMgotta love it. :)Posted by: JM | January 22, 2007 at 11:51 AMOoops, my bad they do! :(Posted by: JM | January 22, 2007 at 12:11 PM
And so and so forth. :)Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 03:11 PMsound scientific theory. :)Posted by: JM | December 29, 2006 at 07:53 AMwhen it is politically expedient :)Posted by: JM | October 22, 2006 at 11:54 PM
about the cow flatus? :)Posted by: JM | November 01, 2006 at 08:33 AMthe early sermon was on War. :)Posted by: Kansas | August 19, 2007 at 10:43 AMthe Libs. :)Posted by: Kansas | September 07, 2007 at 11:18 AM
peaceable protesters. :)Posted by: Kansas | September 07, 2007 at 11:54 AM
on TV. :)Posted by: Eier | February 06, 2007 at 05:35 AMWe can become just like France. :)Posted by: Kansas | September 24, 2007 at 12:07 AMplane. :)Posted by: Kansas | August 28, 2007 at 09:25 PM:)Posted by: Kansas | September 12, 2007 at 01:14 PM:)Posted by: Kansas | August 10, 2007 at 03:22 PM
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BOTH DISLIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH
Besides, Rush Limbaugh I don’t listen to. I think he pontificates a bit too much.Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 12:54 PM
Rush Limbaugh aligns himself to ideology of radio poll ratings, I don’t.Posted by: Eier | February 06, 2007 at 08:34 AMI don’t listen to Limbaugh, don’t like his show, never did.
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“COURT OF LAW”
it is not accepted by a court of law and under present EPA standards. At least not of a few years ago.Posted by: JM | January 20, 2007 at 01:04 PM
it’s not something I would do or that would be upheld in a court of law.Posted by: JM | January 20, 2007 at 02:00 PM
Nope Cosmos, it’s just like a court of law. You make a claim that my assertion is false, you have to prove it.Or…you can just slink away…which will prove your claim is BS. :)Posted by: Republican | April 09, 2007 at 10:13 PM
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HECTORING PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR DEGREES AND BRAGGING ABOUT HIS DEGREES
I am guessing you have never taken a collegiate paleotology, genology or any sort of earth science course at the collegiate level.Posted by: JM | January 08, 2007 at 03:06 PM
Come on Cosmos, Let’s have your degrees. I gave you mine. Now tell me yours.You have zero honor if you don’t.Posted by: JM | January 20, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Actually, I’ve take a couple of collge courses in Geology. Also taken several courses in using bio-environmental measuring equipment in detecting and am reasonably familiar with dissipation rates of ‘toxic’ gases in the atmosphere.
Posted by: JM | November 01, 2006 at 10:22 AM
I was a science major in college through my Master’s Degree.Posted by: StillJM | December 29, 2006 at 10:03 PM
I have mentioned as three or four times in the WE Blogs what I did and what my degrees were in . . .
If you can’t even acknowledge as something as simple as something as what my career was, then you’re not worth my time reading.Click, your on the no read list again.Posted by: StillJM | December 31, 2006 at 07:04 PM
You’re not faring well Cosmos, you’re arguing about science when you seem to be missing some basic education in it.Posted by: StillJM | December 31, 2006 at 07:40 PM
As I’ve said before, I’ve taken science classes, but my degree isn’t a science degree.
Watch as Cosmos avoids the question again…What is your education Cosmos?Posted by: Republican | April 22, 2007 at 02:24 PM
Are you a scientist Chas? So we should believe you on telling me what is or isn’t?Posted by: Kansas | August 10, 2007 at 11:30 PM
These words by cosmos are the words of a desperate man, seeking attention and the obvious lack of science in his background.Posted by: Kansas | September 16, 2007 at 05:40 PM
I doubt if you have any degrees cosmos, you’re sure don’t act like it.and,You are too scared to put your degrees if you have on the Blog that qualifies you as an expert on Global Warming.
I can talk about Medicine all day long, but it doesn’t make me a license Physician nor should I prescribe or diagnose anyone.You are playing “Doctor” cosmos and have zero room to talk on whose entitled to their opinion on a subject.Posted by: Kansas | August 08, 2007 at 06:22 PM
I do know more Science than cosmos as I had to take many science courses. My degrees are engineering, but with physical and natural sciences as a minor.I do know how to read and understand technical information when presented.Posted by: Kansas | September 13, 2007 at 04:13 PM
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GLOBAL WARMING NOT CAUSED BY HUMANS AND IT’S BETTER TO WAIT
I never said Global Warming was a myth. I am in a position that the effects of man-made carbon contributors is trivial when compared to the naturally occurring climate cycles that have been known to occur for millions of years.
Is there Global Warming? Yeah there is a trend. Is it caused by man? I see no evidence that man has influenced the climate.Posted by: JM | January 08, 2007 at 02:09 PM
I prefer to wait on Science to prove without a shadow of a doubt that man-made CO2 are the cause of global warming. The Global Warming science hasn’t made it to that level yet.
Posted by: JM | January 20, 2007 at 12:12 PM
The argument J R is that the Global Warming Support say without any hesitation that man-made emissions are the sole cause of Global Warming. Nothing else could be the cause.
I’m saying that is simply not true as there are many contributors to Global Warming. And all the Global Warming people want to do is create another tax, aka the Greenhouse tax.Posted by: JM | January 20, 2007 at 10:19 PM
For one, I never denied GW. I denied your version of GW and it is caused by your version of GW caused my man-made carbon producers.
Posted by: JM | January 21, 2007 at 10:55 PM
So we have global warming and it must be our fault, evil humans and SUVs.
So it is hotter on Earth than it has been for a while and the weather/climate is changing, it must be our fault!Posted by: James H. Macklin | January 23, 2007 at 05:01 AM
As I’ve said before, sure I believe in Climate Change as nature designed it. And I’m all for alternative energy, just not at the behest of the Kyoto Treaty or the UN. I want to be represented and not let US Tax dollars fly out of the country for something that cannot be fixedI’m happy with my stance on Climate Change and do not bow down to the GW alarmists. I prefer the calm and collected approach of Scientists who have worked on alternative energy plans for decades. I actually put my money into and don’t continually spout off about using other peoples money to do something. I use my money to do something.
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BOTH ARE DISABLED BY BACK INJURIES AND BOTH HAVE SOUGHT AND FAILED TO GET JOBS FROM KANSAS STATE GOV’T
Yes, I do get up in the middle of the night sometimes because of a back injury I received while on active duty. It keeps me awake sometimes. No, it wasn’t combat related, just some clumsy footwork on my part.Posted by: JM | January 21, 2007 at 10:24 PM
I guess you have to be severely disable to get hired? Lord knows Kansas and Wichita has completely ignored my VA disability for job preference since leaving the military. Guess there is not much of a market for an old, cripple guy with degrees.Posted by: JM | October 29, 2006 at 07:01 AM
I had a spine injury when I served and continued to take cautionary steps not to re-injure my back.
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You just realize the prejudice there is on people seeking employment that are disabled.Posted by: Republican | June 30, 2007 at 11:32 PM
Even the State of Kansas won’t hire me because they would have to make accommodations. I’ve tried many times to get a job with the State of Kansas. They won’t even look at my application.
I suspect when they see disabled veteran, they ran as fast as they can away from my application.Posted by: Republican | June 30, 2007 at 11:25 PM
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“ARM FLAILING”
I think I’ve heard “arm flailing” for the first time from my father in the 1940s first before I heard it from Rush Limbaugh. My father was referring to my frustration on not getting the tractor started; all the while I was kicking the tractor and flailing my arms around. heh heh.Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 12:54 PM
It’s a lot easier to flail your arms about and blame everyone else, isn’t WSClark?Posted by: JM | January 11, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Liberals get your shrill voices and arm flailing ready…it’s gonna explode…hehPosted by: JM | November 03, 2006 at 07:22 PM
Try some choreographed arm-flailing next time, it may help you make sense of your delusions.Posted by: Eier | February 06, 2007 at 09:42 AM
…more incoherent arm flailing by the CapnPosted by: Kansas | September 19, 2007 at 03:55 PM
The Libs on this blog are really arm flailing now, they can’t argue with facts presented to them. :)Posted by: Kansas | September 07, 2007 at 01:00 PM
GORACLE arm flailing chimps like to think soPosted by: Kansas | September 18, 2007 at 03:35 PM
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SASQUATCH LIKE CREATURE
I am who I am, an ugly Sasquatch looking 60+ year old man. Happy now?Posted by: JM | February 09, 2007 at 02:37 PM
Let’s see how brave you are face to face with a sasquatch.That’s what I thought.Posted by: JM | February 09, 2007 at 04:03 PM
That’s right Chas, I’m an Australopithecus afarensis which came before the Neanderthal.
Our extra strong jaws are useful for chewing
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1. Here’s where Republican plagiarised his Henry’s law BS.Calculate the solubility of CO2 in water at atmospheric conditions if the solubility at 25oC and 1 atm is 0.034 mol/L. The partial pressure of CO2 in air is 0.00030 atm.
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~rogerlal/116_s07/chap13lec1.htmlHe wouldn’t know Henry’s law from Tom or Dick’s or Harry’s law.
2. Here’s where Republican cut-and-pasted his little blurb on Dante’s “Divine Comedy” without citation.
Republican wrote, “Dante uses the lion to denote sins of violence and ambition because the lion is considered to be an aggressive and assertive creature.”The lion has a tendency to satisfy his own needs, by whatever means necessary.”His unacknowledged source wrote,”. . . Dante uses the lion to denote sins of violence and ambition because the lion is considered to be an aggressive and assertive creature that has a tendency to satisfy his own needs, by whatever violent means necessary. ”
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/d/divine_interpretation_the_%20a_study_of_metaphor_in_dante’s_inferno.html
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BOTH USERS BANNED
Was going to trying to keep in touch while I am gone, but can’t use my own computer because WE Blog continues to block my IP after 2-3 months time. I hate using other people’s computer to make a message.
Anyway, I tried to write WE Blog to get an answer and I get this:Recipient:
Reason: No such user
It seems that they don’t want to be contacted. HehWell, I’m sure I’ll live without it. Was going to provide some photos of the area I’m going to, but if WE Blog doesn’t care then it doesn’t matter.Posted by: JM | February 08, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Naw, they can’t block posters, they can try, but there are ways around it.Posted by: JM | January 23, 2007 at 11:58 AM
E-mail from Philip Brownlee: The corporation did finally agree to block IP addresses, but warned that doing so often isn’t effective and could result in inadvertently blocking the wrong person. We decided to try it and had them block the worst troll on the blog beginning in mid-January.
I can’t log in here on typekey cosmos, because it uses an IP number as an identifier and that particular IP number was banned from the WE Blogs with no reason given.Posted by: Republican | July 18, 2007 at 05:15 PM
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MYSTERIES SURROUNDING HIS COMBAT STATUS WHEN INJURED
My injury occurred while I was on combat duty status over Iraq. Flack and missile parts flying through the air and not good for the human body.Posted by: Kansas | October 10, 2007 at 09:41 PM
Never said I was in the Army nor “fought” in Desert Storm. I was on active duty during Desert Storm.
Posted by: Kansas | July 16, 2007 at 08:31 PM
The post preceeding mine was a troll post.
Always check for the bright blue Type-key verification.
That’s how you know it’s a genuine CapnAmerica post.
DEVASTATING Capn!
You should do that again during a heavier traffic time though.
Yeah, thanks, JR. The thing is you can actually find MORE examples than what I had time to post.
For instance, I’m sure there’s some more “arm waving” posts of his and “global warming not man-made” out there I didn’t find.
What really got him was his constant baiting and badgering of cosmos. Had he fought his deep-seated need to irritate and demean, his nic-switching would have been a lot harder to spot.
Old Original Steve just isn’t the troll he used to be.
Now we can walk on by in good conscience, knowing that he’s a liar and a cheat.
Oh, hell. I just missed “The Daily Show.”
Let’s see what Colbert has got . . .
Cap’n,
Compelling.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, famous for donning a head scarf earlier this year to commune for peace with the Syrians, has now concluded that this is the perfect moment to pass a Congressional resolution condemning Turkey for the Armenian genocide of 1915. Problem is, Turkey in 2007 has it within its power to damage the growing success of the U.S. effort in Iraq. We would like to assume this is not Speaker Pelosi’s goal. To be clear: We write that we would like to assume, rather than that we do assume, because we are no longer able to discern whether the Speaker’s foreign-policy intrusions are merely misguided or are consciously intended to cause a U.S. policy failure in Iraq. .
Yeah Smitty, but in case you missed it, Hillary opened a campaign office in Little Rock AK and Terry McAuliffe, now Clinton’s national chairman was on hand and so was the GOP “Pander Bear” to take the Clinton’s to task for being so secretive with her White House papers.Hillary claims to be open about her politics and yet 2 million pages of documents covering her White House years as first lady are locked up at the Clinton Presidential Library.
Not much else of news at the capital either.
Democrats continue to view SCHIP as a useful political football. Roll Call reports that they are “eager” to hold repeated votes on the program to score political points and have decided they are uninterested in compromising to actually pass a bill. The House is expected to vote on overriding the president’s veto of the Democrat SCHIP bill on Thursday. A new USA Today/Gallup Poll on SCHIP shows that a majority of Americans agree with President Bush and Republicans that SCHIP funds should go to poorer families. A majority is also concerned that the expanded program Democrats are pushing could lead more families to drop private health insurance in favor of the government program.
On local news, here is my latest from Topeka.
Kansas’ tax revenues jumped $42.2 million above estimates in September, but sales tax receipts were below estimates, which continues a troublesome trend. The Kansas Department of Revenue on Friday released its tax-only revenue report for September. This may change a little, since the end of the month is actually today. September receipts were $586 million, $42.2 million more for the month than projected last spring by the Consensus Revenue Estimating Group. Big performers were corporate income taxes, yielding nearly $90 million against estimates of $75 million, for a $14.8 million overage which is 19.7% above estimates. The corporate income tax receipts, though, are both less than last September’s and less than last year’s fiscal year-to-date. Individual income taxes were strong, at $293.6 million, some 12.9% or $33.6 million higher than the expected $260 million, and a remarkable $42 million or 16.9% more than September 2006.Sales taxes were troubling, about $4 million or 2.8% below the projected $145 million in receipts for the month. September of 2006, the state received more sales tax revenue, $144.8 million, than it did this year. What does that mean? Income is apparently increasing in the state, as judged by income tax receipts, but that income is being spent on non sales-taxable items, maybe gasoline or paying off credit card balances or for mortgage payments. It is not getting into merchant cash registers and on to the state sales tax coffers. Year-to-date (July1-Friday) receipts are $48 million or 3.7% above estimates. Since July 1, the state has received $1.347 billion in taxes, against an expectation of $1.3 billion. Revenues are $22.9 million higher than the same time period last year.This is reasonable growth in revenues, but it’s mostly income tax, which means people are getting paychecks but spending on taxable items is down. Up is always good, but it’s worth noting that last September, the state’s tax-only revenues were $93 million above projections, almost double this year’s pace.
One of the world’s foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize “ridiculous” and the product of “people who don’t understand how the atmosphere works.” Dr. William Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, told a packed lecture hall at the Univ. of North Carolina that humans were not responsible for the warming of the earth. . . . “We’re brainwashing our children,” said Dr Gray, 78, a long-time professor at Colorado State Univ. “They’re going to the Gore movie [An Inconvenient Truth] and being fed all this. It’s ridiculous
Dr. William Gray, a pioneer. Posted by: Palm Trees for Sale
But, but your guy is discredited.He is paid by the republicans.
Further he is not an expert.
Try using testimony that is truth:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/04/alaska-feeling-effects-of-warming.html
The sky is falling:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060403_molly_ivins_global_warming/
And again idiot, at the below link you are totally blown out of the water on global warming. I am a scientist (semi-retired, on vacation long term for mental illness):
http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=70973
Instead of coping with the problem of global warming, and cutting back on our industry, instead of taxing anyone who farts to death, and instead of facing the reality of the sky falling, you instead devote yourself to believing someone other than me and my links!
We have a problem here. It is serious. It will take serious people to resolve it. My name is Galaxy500 and I am NOT your president (thank gawd).
Taxing anyone who farts to death?
What will Hillary think of next for a tax increase?
Looks like phelps in involved in a civil suit, hope lots of damages are awarded.
Phantom, did you take writing lessons from mrage?
No, just typing lessons.
Well, it is getting late boys and girls. Republicans need their sleep. Have to work tomorrow and make lot’s of money so I can pay TAXES, FICA, and MEDICARE!! Don’t forget state too (and toto too).
Attention democrat/republican Trolls.
Tomorrow morning there will be a ceremony at morning colors.
We will be honoring the trolls on this blog for your fine work. The Purple Star will be awarded to those trolls who have so distinguished themselves.
Following the award ceremony, there will be a speech given by General Papa U. Troll III.
After that, you will each receive your new assignments. Of course that is following your ONE WEEK R&R in a location of choice.
We will all gather together for new orders on 1/11/07.
That is all.
Troll Control
If you boycott, even if it doesn’t work, then I can save myself some days of digging through 200 posts of tripe for the 10 worth reading, at the very least.
On that note, God, Guns, Gays, Abortion, Iraq, 9/11, illegals.
You all have a great night, and I look forward to the effects of the boycott, whatever they are.
My goodness… a relatively nice day more or less free of name calling, and back stabbing posts… How marvelous!! And now, an early day tomorrow….
Good Night; Good Luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
May the stars shine brightly on your forehead as you sleep tonight.
May the grass stay beneath your back, and the stink away from your feet.
And may the creepy crawlers wait another day before they eat you!
Capn:
RE: your “proof”
Is there a point to all that, or is that proof that you indeed have no life???
I was hoping somebody from the Right Wing would at least try to answer Chas’s question from early today. You know: What is the Right Wing definition of Compassionate?
That could surely have been a non-flaming kind of question for worthwhile discussion. Maybe somebody will try that one for tomorrow.
G’nite all! See you all later!
Ding-dong the Capn’s gone,Which ole Capn, the silly Capn.Ding-dong the CapnAmerica is gone!
Hi-Ho, the merry-oh,sing it high, sing it low!Ding-dong the CapnAmerica is gone!
Because I’m on TV here locallee I can’t leave I’m a star. Wichita Star. That’s what I arrrrrrrrrrrrrr!We are going to play a Popeye cartoon next.
Ding-dong the Capn’s gone,Which ole Capn, the silly Capn.Ding-dong the CapnAmerica is gone!
Hi-Ho, the merry-oh,sing it high, sing it low!Ding-dong the CapnAmerica is gone!
Because I’m on TV here locallee I can’t leave I’m a star. Wichita Star. That’s what I arrrrrrrrrrrrrr!We are going to play a Popeye cartoon next.
The word compassion really doesn’t exist does it?
Not in this world anyway. Unless of course, you are a Christian.
Godless democrats have socialism, but compassion is reserved for the religious, is it not?
On no. Don’t tell me that “compassion” means increasing taxes on the rich in order to redistribute wealth to the poor.
Because that really is NOT the meaning of compassion.
Good evening ladies and gentleman and welcome. I think we have a really, really big shoe for you tonight.
In his not quite farewell performance, kansasJM will be melting down for you. The man of a thousand nics, the man to whom no nic sticks, on his way to exile from our forum, ladies and gentleman, JM!!!
Right Wingers definition of compassionate:
Teach a man a skill, a trade, or how to grow his own food.
Left Wingers definiton of compassionate:
Give a man everything he needs, then teach him to steal from the one who knows a skill, a trade, or how to grow his own food.
Well, that is a start, Max. Let’s see now what might build from there. Could be interesting.
From George W. Bush —
For Immediate ReleaseOffice of the Press SecretaryApril 30, 2002
Fact Sheet: Compassionate Conservatism
Compassionate Conservatism
“I call my philosophy and approach compassionate conservatism. It is compassionate to actively help our fellow citizens in need. It is conservative to insist on responsibility and results. And with this hopeful approach, we will make a real difference in people’s lives.”President George W. Bush
Presidential Action
President Bush today in California will outline his governing philosophy of compassionate conservatism. The President will define in theory and practice what it means to be a compassionate conservative and how this vision guides his Administration.
In his Inaugural Address, the President called on Americans to become citizens, not spectators. Since that time the President has used compassionate conservatism as his governing philosophy as the Administration has moved to tackle some of society’s toughest assignments, such as educating our children, fighting poverty at home, and helping poor countries around the globe.
It is compassionate to actively help our citizens in need. It is conservative to insist on accountability and results. This approach of hope and optimism will make a real difference in people’s lives.
The President rejects the old argument of “big government” vs. “indifferent government.” Government should be focused, effective and close to the people — a government that does a few things, and does them well. We are using an active government to promote self-government.
The truest kind of compassion doesn’t only come from more government spending, but from helping citizens build lives of their own. The aim of this philosophy is not to spend less money, or to spend more money, but to spend only on what works.
Compassionate Conservatism
The President rejects the old argument of “big government” vs. “indifferent government.”
Government should be focused, effective and close to the people — a government that does a few things, and does them well.
Government cannot solve every problem, but it can encourage people and communities to help themselves and one another. The truest kind of compassion is to help citizens build better lives of their own.
We do not believe in a sink-or-swim society. The policies of our government must heed the universal call of all faiths to love our neighbors as we would want to be loved ourselves. We are using an active government to promote self-government.
It is compassionate to actively help our citizens in need. It is conservative to insist on accountability and results.
The President believes the truest kind of compassion doesn’t only come from more government spending, but from helping citizens build lives of their own. The aim of this philosophy is not to spend less money, or to spend more money, but to spend only on what works. The measure of compassion is more than good intentions — it is good results. Sympathy is not enough — we need solutions.
More at this link:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/04/20020430.html
Since Capn violated his promise not to bother me about trolling or nics after I agreed to his list (shows what a dishonest person he really is) I’m posting tonight to answer the Capn’s assertions.
They are really laughable and show what a truly troubled and paranoid man the Capn is.
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============================BOTH DISLIKE RUSH LIMBAUGHSo what?
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================“COURT OF LAW”Ridiculous================
=================================================HECTORING PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR DEGREES AND BRAGGING ABOUT HIS DEGREESYou mean people on this blog have degrees including me? Wow Capn! what a discovery!==================================================
================================================BOTH ARE DISABLED BY BACK INJURIES AND BOTH HAVE SOUGHT AND FAILED TO GET JOBS FROM KANSAS STATE GOV’TOh my! There is more than one disabled Veteran in Wichita! Ever look at the license plates around Wichita Capn? How about looking at the parking lot at the VA Center? Pretty busy huh? I have more than just a back injury Capn, but you don’t get to know about that as it is private medical information==================================================
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=========================Never said I was in the Army nor “fought” in Desert Storm. I was on active duty during Desert Storm.Posted by: Kansas | July 16, 2007 at 08:31 PM
That’s correct, I’m Air Force medically retired, not Army.During the Gulf War was called Desert Storm. I was also on active duty before the war started, it was called Desert Shield and was on duty after the war to assist monitoring the “no fly zone” and assist the Northern tier called Operation Provide Comfort==========================
This is it Capn? Tell me this isn’t all you got? That’s it? You made this big drum roll for what purpose?
It certainly wasn’t to prove anything as it was a ridiculous post
But one thing for sure Capn, I will report it to Phillip Brownlee for harassment.
You’re constant harassment on this blog is never condemned by your Democrapic friends. I’ve drawn the conclusion that Libs are full of hate, always wanting revenge and alway issuing the ad hominem.
You have put a stamp of confirmation on that Capn.
I was going to stay away until 1 Nov Capn, but you broke the code with your personal agenda.
Now you’re going to have to suffer with my presence.
Blame yourself Capn, your own behavior is responsible for screwing up this blog.
Do everyone a favor Capn. Just shut your pie hole about other posters on this blog and discuss the issues.
This is an anonymous blog, deal with it putz.
“As I’ve requested many times before, stop messing with me and I won’t mess with you.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 15, 2007 at 01:19 PM
Translation: Don’t point out that Kansas posts falsehoods, and he wont post false personal attacks that the editor will delete.
Kansas: “Post, discuss the issues and we will get along just fine. That’s all I ever asked.”
Really???
I posted a comment that Dr. Graeme Pearman made about Bob Carter.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–11.html#comment-86418310
Kansas “discussed the issues” a few minutes later by making multiple false personal attacks at me.
“Again, the non-scientist cosmos states scientists are not credible.
cosmos is not even qualified to hold the books of a person like Carter less say he not a credible source.
cosmos is a kook, a political hack and an environmental terrorist.
cosmos is not qualified to say who is or isn’t credible.
cosmos is not a scientist.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 14, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Why didn’t Kansas attack Dr. Pearman, who made the comment about Carter?http://www.dar.csiro.au/profile/pearman.html
Come on Kansas… “discuss the issues”, and prove that you’re a more qualified climate scientist than Dr. Graeme Pearman.
Give us your scientific proof that Pearman is wrong, and Carter is correct.
You abuse that anonymity JM.
What is it you say? “Man up”?
Please do not do this to yourself.
It’s okay J R, a few emails (not all from me) have been forwarded to Phillip Brownlee about the Capn.
By the way bloggers, if you haven’t emailed Phillip Brownlee about the Capn’s latest harassment posts:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–13.html#comment-86652820
and
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–13.html#comment-86654066
You can email Phillip Brownlee at the email address below.
pbrownlee@wichitaeagle.com
Just so you can see it coming Capn. :)
HEY Kansas!
We are still waiting for your scientific proof that Pearman is wrong, and Carter is correct.
You DO believe that we should “discuss the issues”, don’t you Kansas???
cosmos,
I have no idea who Pearman is.
You have a problem with calling scientists not credible. That’s your job to be political hack, not mine.
So enjoy cosmos, criticize those scientists, you know those scientists who you wouldn’t even qualify to carry their briefcase.
blip blip, off to bed…
For the record?
I never got anyone banned.
I never even asked. Even with Ian or Crusader X. I even stood up for both of them.
“kansas’JM this has to stop. You are hurting people. Friends of mine, good posters and respected no longer post here because of you.
And I am gonna catch hell from people I respect way more than you for doing all this.
Please, how can we help?
I believe I detect a meltdown. I think I shall stay away until the stench is cleared up a little more. Oh well, at least I tried to get something decent started here. You all have fun now!
I think it surely must be not fun to be like Mr. Kansas. Not fun at all!
For what it is worth, I see nothing in Mr. Kansas’ lengthy diatribe of anything at all related to Mr. Cap’s paranoia that was alleged by Mr. Kansas. That is merely an observation, based on what I see on the screen. I could be wrong, but I see no evidence otherwise. Thank you. Have a nice Blog.
“cosmos,
I have no idea who Pearman is.
You have a problem with calling scientists not credible. That’s your job to be political hack, not mine.
So enjoy cosmos, criticize those scientists, you know those scientists who you wouldn’t even qualify to carry their briefcase.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 17, 2007 at 12:35 AM
WHY does Kansas have “NO IDEA” who Dr. Pearman is???
I posted Dr. Pearman’s comments herehttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–11.html#comment-86418310
“http://www.desmogblog.com/rm-bob-carter
“Carter “not a credible source” on climate change
In response to claims made by Carter that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change uncovered no evidence that global warming was caused by human activity, a former CSIRO climate scientist stated that Carter was not a credible source on climate change and that “if he [Carter] has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process.” ”
A few minutes later, Kansas posted,
“Again, the non-scientist cosmos states scientists are not credible.
cosmos is not even qualified to hold the books of a person like Carter less say he not a credible source.
cosmos is a kook, a political hack and an environmental terrorist.
cosmos is not qualified to say who is or isn’t credible.
cosmos is not a scientist.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 14, 2007 at 10:34 PM
At 10:47 PM, I posted Dr. Pearman’s “profile”, and DeSmogBlog’s link to his comments re Carter at http://www.smh.com.au
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–11.html#comment-86419442
Kansas again attacked me, instead of Dr. Pearman.
Or… maybe Kansas believes that I am Dr. Pearman?
And Kansas’ last post on that thread was almost 3 hours later.Posted by: Kansas | October 15, 2007 at 01:43 AM
I think the editors should not allow any posts on the WEBlog that they would NOT run in the Opinion Line.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 16, 2007 at 11:57 AM http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–13.html#comment-86591066
I think Mr. Cap is right.
The thought occurs to me that those who are against the Global Warming issue(as contributed by hunans) These people seem to exhibit many selfish comments. They tend to think only of their own small space on the planet.
Those who are open to Global Warming being contributed by humans are more concerned with the well being of the Planet, and in particular for those who are not yet in this life.
Those opposing human contribution seem to be only concerned for their own future, rather than in the future of other people, either not even born yet, or people in other parts of the planet, who are not as fortunate as most of us.
There is a tendency for such opponents of Mr. Gore, and others, to be very egotistical, and in nearly a textbook fashion, very afraid, and in fear, react as the sandlot school yard bully types.
Those fearful of their own abilities to succeed in life beyond ownership of “things”; whose lives are tied to what they Own much more than in who they Are.
In my own expertise as a professional therapist, I tend to see these symptoms in people who are those who like to be in control of all aspects of life, and especially those who like to be in Control of people – spouses, children, employees, people under them (or perceived to be) in their own realities, or at least in their imaginations.
I would be interested in comments from others who see this marked dichotomy in such people, as those who take opposing sides on the issue of Global Warming, and what might be done to alleviate the problem.
Thank you.
Kansas’ repeated, false personal attacks on me (instead of “discussing the issues”) mostly contain the same points, except for variations like,
“cosmos is not even qualified to hold the books of a person like Carter”versus
“[cosmos] wouldn’t even qualify to carry their briefcase.”
The WE Blog could save space, and bandwidth, by asking Kansas to post a false, generic attack against me.
And then Kansas could just post a link back to that one false, generic attack, and add additional lies, as needed.
LOL — that might work!!
I do, however, find myself wishing that Cosmos would post his/her actual CV credentials on the Blog.
It might be worthwhile to see the reaction of others.
While poster Cosmos may have a point, he’s getting to be like a broken record. You know what he’s going to say so you just scroll over.
Put up a dedicated thread for Cosmos and Kansas so they can spens all night saying, “uh huh!” “Uh, Unh!”
Mentals, hoohah!
I do, however, find myself wishing that Cosmos would post his/her actual CV credentials on the Blog.
It might be worthwhile to see the reaction of others.
just a quick hello and congratulations to your nice website ! i’ll visit you again!