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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Oct. 15, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
The letter is up to 44,300 dollars!
Cosmos,
Try emailing them instead.
“Try emailing them instead.”
Posted by: Nathan
Why? Your friend made two very serious, completely FALSE posts about me on this very public blog.
I prefer to use this same public blog, to ask that those false posts be removed.
I am known to the editors.
I second cosmos’s call for removing the offensive posts.
O
Thank you J R,
I’m very tired of the false personal attacks here.
Also,’Report: Mining Exec Funded Gore Film TrialU.K. Paper: Industries Backed Parent’s Court Case To Keep “Inconvenient Truth” Out Of Schools’http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/14/world/main3365651.shtml
“According to Electoral Commission records, nearly all funding for the New Party came from a mining concern, Cloburn Quarry Limited in Lanarkshire, which contributed almost 1 million pounds between 2004 and 2006. The company’s owner, Robert Durward, is also chairman of the New Party, and is a long-time critic of environmentalists.
He also helped form the Scientific Alliance, an industry-backed non-profit with links to other global-warming debunkers (like the U.S.-based George C. Marshall Institute) that have received funding from ExxonMobil.”
More at link.
I’m very tired of the false personal attacks here.Posted by: cosmos | October 15, 2007 at 02:11 AM
Then stop calling me a liar on what I posted which were not my words but someone else’s.
It’s a simple concept cosmos. You treat others with respect, they return the favor.
The moment you start calling them liar and WRITING EVERYTHING thing they say is false, then you lose any position you had.
Just disagree and leave it at that.
You are most likely incapable of just disagreeing aren’t you cosmos.
You love the ad hominem and you are now whining when it is done on you.
What a wimp.
cosmos fails to admit his stalking me – posting in threads with subject matter that is totally off topic.
cosmos has no room to complain until he improves his own behavior.
More more! for my capture file JM!
All the good that will do you J R.
All it does is take up space on your hard drive and prove entirely worthless to Brownlee.
You Libs whine so much to Phillip Brownlee, I’m very sure he’s extremely tired of it and wish you would just leave.
“Then stop calling me a liar on what I posted which were not my words but someone else’s.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 15, 2007 at 02:23 AM
(emphasis added)”cosmos is a RACIST because he calls the EXPERT and SCIENTIFIC analysis of the Black Environmental Group of Louisiana liars, who are experts on the Mississippi River Basin including the Levee projects.”
Posted by: KANSAS | October 14, 2007 at 06:43 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–11.html#comment-86404676
Kansas,
Is this the “EXPERT and SCIENTIFIC analysis of the Black Environmental Group” that you posted?
(emphasis added)http://aaenvironment.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html
“According to recent published reports, the delay in building and improving levees **_ COULD _** be due, in part, to the opposition of traditional environmental groups to dams, levees,…”
Above link at,Posted by: Kansas | September 27, 2007 at 06:21 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-927.html#comment-84321836
Post away kook
It’s all on record.
See? I’ve a goal. YOU JM, you are going to leave us.
See? you need to. You need to find help.
WE hope you do.
The unrepentant cosmos never learns.
The naive J R’s ego has gotten in the way of his better judgment.
The apocalypse cometh. Beware of the unknown.
Well since we are whining to the editors…
I demand that JR’s offensive post be removed.
You should leave JR. We are tired of your personal attacks.
It is all on record.
Blah Blah Blah Blah
“psosters” Nathan?
Are you drunk? Well you’ve a right to be. Your dad and all.
Posted by: J R | October 15, 2007 at 02:10 AM
I also demand that this persons offensive personal attacks on me be removed from the blog and I demand for him to leave!
Blah Blah Blah Blah
I see you fit in just fine with… err… other idiots. You might look into getting your dosage upped.
Posted by: Scout | October 15, 2007 at 02:35 AM
I also demand that this post be removed as well.
It is offensive and vulgar and JR you should leave…
Blah Blah Blah Blah
No dice asshole.
My friend told me to ignore you and so I will.
And you might think on that things ate not always what they seem: )
Rant all night. I’ve made others do it before.: )
Posted by: J R | October 15, 2007 at 01:54 AM
I’m offended by every single post in every single thread. I demand that all posts in question be removed.
Except mine, naturally.
Gore gets a cold shoulder
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html
“ONE of the world’s foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize “ridiculous” and the product of “people who don’t understand how the atmosphere works”.
Dr William Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, told a packed lecture hall at the University of North Carolina that humans were not responsible for the warming of the earth.”
I think that the WEBlog Editors should just shut down the whole thing, until they can develope some kind of monitor system, to stop all of the nonsense…
Who is the original nic switcher and nic stealer on the WE Blog.
Why it’s everyone’s favorite, Capn America!
Since I started using this name Galahad, I have
not posted under any other names. AND unlike your
posts, my e-mail is hot and the same one every
time.
You remain a lying POS.
Have a nice day.
Posted by: Galahad | Septemhn as Galahad.
Posted by: Galahad | December 26, 2005 at 10:47 PM
=====================Galahad is still here. I’m just changing my name
so troll-boy will have to try to hit a moving
target.
I’m going to post under a lot of names used by
trolls in the past, including “Steve.”
I’m looking forward to when Steve writes, “thanks,
Steve, for telling me what to think.”
What a moron . . . or as he would spell it,
“moran.”
Posted by: LyingBillO’Reilly | December 27, 2005
at 06:53 PM========================”CAPNAMERICA OUTED AS GALAHAD” Blogger promises to
come up with another identity.
Posted by: ProudMan | October 29, 2006 at 04:28 PM===================CAPNAMERICA ASKS BLOGGERS FASCINATED BY HIS NICS
TO “GET A LIFE”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 29, 2006 at 07:05PM======================Maybe he should change once in a while, sort of
like Galahad -> ProudBlue -> TrueLib -> and who is
it now, CapnAmerica?
Worst.Poster.Ever.
Posted by: Original_Steve | January 30, 2007 at
08:54 AM==========================I can understand how Galahad doesn’t want to
reappear. Who would want to admit that they once posted the uninformed and ill-considered nonsense that he/she did?Posted by: Original_Steve | October 18, 2006 at 08:54 AM=======================Okay, Mr. O., you know more about Kansas politics than I do.I’ve only lived here for ten years and have just gotten involved in politics. Posted by: Galahad | August 23, 2005 at 02:33 PM=========================
“Cosmos–
I created a type key account.
But how do you log in under that account and get back to this WEBlog page?
Thanks.
Wally O. Posted by: Wally O’Dell | August 12, 2006 at 12:31 PM”wally_o66@yahoo.com========================I posted under the nic of Proud Lib, True Blue, Galahad, Left Hook, and apparently Wally O’Dell. I didn’t remember the last one, but there it is . .
My e-mail address is wally_o66@yahoo.com. This is the e-mail address you get if you click on my “e-mail me” link on my typekey page. It’s out there for everyone to see.Now, let’s move on. This was tiresome before it started . . .Posted by: CapnAmerica | April 06, 2007 at 12:21
=========WSClark “drew” the finger and used it a number of times.
The WEBlog editors asked him to stop, which he did.However, they didn’t ask ME to stop. So I used it.
I said I was “The Finger” when Clark asked who was posting it again.
It’s all perfectly obvious if you re-read the posts from which you cut and pasted only the sections to try to make us look like trolls. Another lie.
Why is that not surprising?Posted by: CapnAmerica | April 07, 2007 at 11:20
========================And btw, I “get out” plenty. I played guitar and sang at an open mike just last Saturday. I go
fishing, hunting, target shoot, play chess, have a “film club,” and spoke at a colleague’s retirement dinner Friday.Posted by: CapnAmerica | May 07, 2007 at 11:03 AM=========================writerdog already pointed out an example of how
Galahad (aka CapnAmerica) stole his nic and tried to accuse writerdog of the post. writerdog even pointed out that his name writerdog was misspelled.Posted by: Republican | March 15, 2007
at 01:08 PM
==================Do you remember it being so bad that WSCLark actually apologized for his inexcusable behavior?
I have been called communist by Capn (aka, left hook, Galahad, etc) been called a liar by
others.Are you limiting your definition of ‘bad behavior’ to nic stealing? I would lump it all
together and call it what is it, childish personal attacks without justification. Posted by: raptor | March 19, 2007 at 06:38 PM
So there you have it folks, the WE Blog’s original nic switcher and stealer – now known as Capn America.
Oh and to quote the Capn:
“CAPNAMERICA ASKS BLOGGERS FASCINATED BY HIS NICS
TO “GET A LIFE”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 29, 2006 at 07:05PM
:)
I have been called communist by Capn (aka, left hook, Galahad, etc) been called a liar by others.Are you limiting your definition of ‘bad behavior’ to nic stealing?
I would lump it all together and call it what is it, childish personal attacks without justification. Posted by: raptor | March 19, 2007 at 06:38 PM
Oh and you remember that post about Raptor that was blamed on me and that had to be pulled because it was so disgusting?
Who wrote it?
Why it was none other than CapnAmerica.
who the # is cosmos?
Cosmos,
Try emailing them instead.
Posted by: Nathan | October 15, 2007 at 01:13 AM
cosmos doesn’t want to email them because it would reveal his other identity here on the blog and he doesn’t want to do that. :)
or should I add ;-) for cosmos
“CAPNAMERICA ASKS BLOGGERS FASCINATED BY HIS NICS
TO “GET A LIFE”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 29, 2006 at 07:05PM
:)
And there were/are many of them.
As Raptor wrote when the Fisters has supposably left the WE Blog for the Wichita Voice.
“So now the troll is back. I did not write that about GS and Republican, as anyone here would know.
Amazing…the libs are trickling back, and the trolling starts up again. Coincidence?
Posted by: raptor | March 27, 2007 at 02:17 PM
More proof of the trolling and nic stealing by the Libs.
Such hypocrites…
Ya’ll just shut up already.
Gawd. You don’t even want to read the open thread anymore cuz it’s all just chalk full of crap.
Indeed former General Sanchez has a point. Propaganda and negative PR have been our greatest enemies in the this war against Al Qaeda.
“Over the course of this war, tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats for America because of the tremendous power and impact of the media and by extension, you the journalist,”
-Lt Gen Ricardo Sanchez
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301676,00.html
Great post PM.
I feel a wee bit responsible for Open Thread, because it was originally once a week, and as JR will affirm, as he encouraged me, and as Phil will affirm I asked Phil to change it into at least a semi-weekly if not daily thread, and Phil thought that sounded good, so the editors changed it to a daily thread.
Back then the discourse was intelligent, and my proposal was based on the reasonable fact that Open Thread was by far more popular than the threads whose topics were dreamed up by the editors.
The ensuing degeneration has been very unpleasant, except to those who are instigating it.
Bear in mind that the editors could find that Open Thread serves no useful public-enlightenment function, and so they could terminate the thread. Which would be a loss to greater community.
Uh Chas… I think you lost our bet!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–11.html#comments
SO… when are you traveling to my place?
Bear in mind that the editors could find that Open Thread serves no useful public-enlightenment function, and so they could terminate the thread. Which would be a loss to greater community.Posted by: MPS
What is the profit margin on the Open Thread? How much money is bringing to the organization? It really doesn’t serve as a “community service” in the normal sense. You are not passing any public information, events, hours, POC’s, telephone numbers, for any particular “community” are you?
What is “community” when the blog is open to anyone worldwide with access to a computer?
Fee for service is the only way to go. Cut’s the rift-raft, allows monitoring/filters, and provides a forum for those truly interested in communicating ideas.
Anytime ANYone so much as looks cross-eyed at another poster – they are history.
Ends the problem.
…and maybe when XXX gets here, he’ll tell me what I won by taking his bet?
heheheheheheheheh!
Anytime ANYone so much as looks cross-eyed at another poster – they are history.Posted by: Kitrell
J R would be gone.
Hey, Good Mornin, KFG!! Where was that link supposed to go??
“Fee for service is the only way to go. Cut’s the rift-raft, allows monitoring/filters, and provides a forum for those truly interested in communicating ideas.”
WTF? You think trolls dont have any money? What do you think they sell all this food for if not cash?
How many fee for service BLOGS do you know about. Maybe fee for service websites, but any BLOG that is fee only will quickly be…
…LONELY BLOG!
Posted by: Chas. | October 14, 2007 at 07:01 PM
Sorry, I dont know why that didnt copy the first time. You are addressing the troll in that post, no?
Looks like you and I are the only ones who took the bet anyway. XXX was right. NO reponse is in order. No “walk on by” no flaming, no nothing.
Then? You just have to scroll on by the sock puppets. :)
…and the fact that no one can resist flaming the troll just proves his power, as XXX said.
Have we no willpower? :)
“Fee for service is the only way to go.”
You see, only those who have the money will be able to share opinions.
rift-raft? Ohhhhhhh, you mean riff-raff. Wasn’t he a character is The Rocky Horror Picture Show?
Well rox, this is damn sure a time warp!
Ummm KFG what you posted for that link was the whole DAY!! LOL
I wasnt quite that bad!!
I see the whole thread started off today on a major sour note!! Yikes!!
You got that right, KFG.
It’s astounding, time is fleetingMadness takes its tollBut listen closely, not for very much longerI’ve got to keep control
Let’s do the Time Warp again!
Chas, are you saying you did NOT lose the bet with your 7:01 post last night?
Let me look and see… ok??
Well, I guess I might have, if we are including clarification as giving in… Other than that, I thought I did fairly good yesterday LOLOL
I thought the bet was not to address the troll under ANY circumstance. Was I wrong about that?
But, I also sent an email to the Blog Eds. suggesting they might want to shut this thing down, until it can get itself fixed, or until they can supply a monitor for it… Does that count??? LOL
Well, in that case, you won… Of course, you werent around much either LOL
Whatever.
Nathan,
Oh. You mean THIS William Gray?
“Anybody who has followed press reporting on global warming, and particularly on its effects on hurricanes, has surely encountered various contrarian pronouncements by William Gray, of Colorado State University. A meeting paper that Gray provided in advance of the 2006 27th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology (taking place this week in Monterey California, and covered here by CNN), provides an illuminating window into Gray’s thinking on the subject. Our discussion is not a point-by-point rebuttal of Gray’s claims; there is far more wrong with the paper than we have the patience to detail. Gray will have plenty of opportunities to hear more about the work’s shortcomings if it is ever subjected to the rigors of peer review. Here we will only highlight a few key points which illustrate the fundamental misconceptions on the physics of climate that underlie most of Gray’s pronouncements on climate change and its causes.”
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/gray-on-agw/
I thought it was not to argue with the Troll… but I will accept your understanding… So, I goofed… :-(
I take a jump to the left..
And them I stomp on the right..
Soooo what you gonna cook, and when are you thinking??
KFG — You can get my email, etc., from either CapN, or Tom…
I have to make some calls now….
Be Back later!!
As far as I am concerned, they are all alike all of them. Those on the right I mean. I’m tired trying to sort the good from the bad and asking them to police their own.
(Good one, J R!)
Here’s a suggestion, just keep One Open Thread reserved for the tit for tat name calling and personal attacks. Those wishing to participate can return every day to the same one, so the rest of us don’t have to endure the b.s.
Police our own?
Damn we missed you J R! Like a fat dog misses his fleas!
I have no responsibility for anyone’s posts on this BLOG but my own. I never post anything personal on this BLOG that I wouldn’t say face to face.
I use my own name. I’m in the book. I’ve had meetups in my neighborhood’s club house. You got a problem with me, I can handle it man to man.
You take too much on to yourself J R, we don’t need you to do anything but be responsible for your own posts.
Hank
I didn’t miss you either Mr. Price.
“I never post anything personal on this BLOG that I wouldn’t say face to face.”
Yes you are more polite and reserved in person than you are here. You’ve had the chance to insult me or my family to my face. And you didn’t do it. In this forum you are not so reserved.
You take too much on to yourself J R, we don’t need you to do anything but be responsible for your own posts.
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price
But we need a resident cry-baby to go to the editorial staff and whine about (sniffle, sniffle) everybody picking on him.
Just like a small child, he neglects to tell the editor he is an instrumental flamer and name caller on the blog. Self-elected in fact to do so!
Dear J R,
You seem to be pretty meek and mild in person also!
I won’t insult you in front of your son or your mother. When we meet at a function that I have sponsored, you are my guest. I will be polite. When you see me at a dog show I represent the Kennel Club, I’m working. When you see me at Woofstock, I’m representing Land of Oz Kennels.
I sir, am a gentleman and I won’t insult you unprovoked. On this BLOG you seem to revel in provoking anyone that disagrees with you. Your attitude toward Republicans, Christians, conservatives is well documented. You have a very disparaging view of servicemen and veterans. You think they are stupid for fighting for and defending your rights. In fact, you seem to be against everything that I stand for.
Don’t ever mistake my politeness and tolerance toward you in person for cowardness or insincerity.
Hank
I don’t want the open thread to end. It can be a good place to post things that the editors either don’t have space for or a place to come and hash out differences. But it seems that all it’s used for is to hash out differences.
Disparaging of service people?
No, that’s Rush. It’s you too in your financial support of the Swift boat liars.
Against everything you stand for? I try HARD to find the good in anyone. You do some good work for dogs. Outside that? Yeah you are pretty much right.
Christians? I judge them by the standards they try and put on everyone else. I like to think I out Christian them in my own way and in many ways.
Oh and you may feel free to say anything you would say here to me and in the presence of any member of my family or any of my friends in person. I encourage you to do so.
Ya know Hank? You say we are only responsible for what we individually say here. The other day, someone posted something about you that I found questionable. And I said so. I’d like to think you would do the same for me or anyone else.
It is said the world is what we make it. I try in my own way here and elsewhere to make it a better place. If you won’t help me, could you please leave me alone? You addressed me here.
There’s hope for JR yet:
Forecast: Sex and Marriage With Robots by 2050
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301736,00.html
“If you won’t help me, could you please leave me alone?”
Fine, leave me alone too then.
That includes crap like:
“psosters” Nathan?
Are you drunk? Well you’ve a right to be. Your dad and all.
Posted by: J R | October 15, 2007 at 02:10 AM
Yep, poor ol’ little J R. Just trying to make the world a better place! Using an obvious typo for a chance to bad mouth a man and his dad.
What a phony.
Hank
Hank Price,
“I sir, am a gentleman and I won’t insult you unprovoked.”
Really. Remember this?
*********************************
Hank Price,
As a factual claim, the burden of burden of proof for asserting that the New York Time is “the propaganda wing of Al Qaeda” is on you.
Produce your evidence or retract your assertion.
Posted by: CF2K | August 21, 2007 at 02:55 PM
Dear brian,
Depends on how close it is to the truth.
Dear CF2,
ESAD
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | August 21, 2007 at 03:05 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/soldiers-find-d.html***********************************Note to self: in Hank Price’s world, asking for factual substantiation = “provocation.”
“What a phony,” indeed.
Good giddling gosh, the open thread has already been turned into the “JM-RepubliKansas 24-7″ thread.
I have a few points and then I’m out for a while.
1. I did a bone-dig because I thought that RepubliKhansas said he WASN’T injured in combat and later said that he was.
Turns out I could find no evidence that he ever said that he WASN’T injured in combat, so I was wrong.
Yes, you read that correctly: I was wrong.
2. In the process however I remembered that it was JM who said he wasn’t injured in combat. Remember, Kansas has repeatedly written that he never posted under any other nic, especially JM.
When I compared some of JM information with RepubliKansas, I found a good deal of evidence to link the two posters as one.
3. Kansas writes, “Oh and you remember that post about Raptor that was blamed on me and that had to be pulled because it was so disgusting?
Who wrote it?
Why it was none other than CapnAmerica.
Posted by: Kansas | October 15, 2007 at 06:17 AM”
Yes, this is a despicable lie. I didn’t write it. In fact, I didn’t even SEE it because it was pulled before I read that thread.
4. When I first started posting here when the WEBlog had just begun, I did switch nics from time to time.
The difference between my doing it and RepubliKansas’s doing it is that I don’t lie about it.
I freely admit which nics I’ve used in the past as Kansas’s own post above shows.
It’s not about nic-switching per se; it’s about nic-switching and LYING ABOUT IT.
Nobody is criticising Khan-Republican because he changes his nic to Kansas.
We criticise him because he lies.
That is all for now.
It’s sad what happens to the Open Thread at night. It’s over-run by a bunch of mental and emotional defectives from both sides. And I’m very dissapointed in the Night shift Libs who can’t just let it go. They are such puppets! The “obnoxious one” pushes their buttons and the Libs dance for him. Dance Libs, Dance.
It’ll happen again tonight. The Night Shift Libs can’t resist. Their massive ego’s won’t stand for anything but the final word, and they play right into the puppet master’s hands.
Tune in tonight for the Ballet of the Weak-Willed.
Dear CF2K,
My assertion was an opinion. I have a right to it and I have no ‘burdon of proof’.
The NYT editorial page is all the documentation I need to prove my assertion.
Furthermore, since you are using ESAD to defame me, prove what I meant by it. You never asked for clarification, you merely assumed the worst.
Merely an expression of my respect for you.
Hank
The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/14/AR2007101401245.html?hpid=topnews
Is this the latest version of “the light at the end of the tunnel”? Or “they’re in their death throes”?
So XXX, I dont get a prize because I work the day shift? :(
I totally agree with your post, btw.
Kfg, you always have my undying respect and admiration…What more of a prize could I give?;)
Heh! Touche! And back atchya
Mrs XXX says I’m the smoothest operator around, LOL!
How would she know?
Hank Price,
Interesting to see you try to reverse-engineer the context of the above quote, from a ‘factual claim’ to an ‘opinion.’ Perhaps this will help to job your memory:
“”NYT, the propaganda wing of al Qaida finds some disgruntled enlisted men that are discouraged with the war.Now who could have possibly seen that coming?Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | August 21, 2007 at 02:02 PM”
So, let me make sure I have this right Hank:You are stating, on record that New York Times is a terrorist organization related to al Queda. Is that correct?
Posted by: brian | August 21, 2007 at 02:38 PM
Dear brian,
Yep.
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | August 21, 2007 at 02:51 PM ”
And then, there was this:
“Dear brian,
I think that you are incorrect a lot more than you are correct. If the NYT thinks that I have libeled them, let them sue me.
I will then have to prove my assertions and then if I fail they will have to prove damages.
They are the biggest propaganda agent of the Islamo fascists in world. They have done more damage to the moral and safety of our armed forces than any other publication in history.
There, forward that to their publisher and I’ll await the response from their attorneys.
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | August 21, 2007 at 03:27 PM ”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/soldiers-find-d.html
Looks pretty ‘factual’ to me, since you expressed the willingness to defend your views in a court of law.
As to the second point, Hank Price, truth is an absolute defense. You wrote ‘ESAD’; I point out that you said it. And you claim that I have defamed you. Interesting.
Here, by the way, is where I went to decipher what you possibly could have meant.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ESAD
Hank Price, methinks your spin has spun a bit out of control. But things’ll get better; it’s a Monday, after all.
Study of gay brothers may find clues about sexualityBy Robert Mitchum | Tribune staff reporter
August 12, 2007
In Gregg Mierow’s family, there were six boys, brothers who grew into two groups as they reached maturity: Three are gay, and three are straight.
“It seems innate to me,” Mierow, who works in advertising and as a yoga teacher in Chicago, said of his homosexuality. “It doesn’t seem like there’s any choice involved, and it seemed very clear even when we were very young.”
Mierow stumbled upon a chance to help prove that hunch at the Northalsted Market Days festival four years ago. Spotting a banner reading, “Wanted! Gay Men with a Gay Brother,” he stopped by the booth and volunteered for what he thought would be little more than a survey. Instead, Mierow found himself part of the Molecular Genetic Study of Sexual Orientation — the most extensive study yet to search for a genetic basis for homosexuality — embarked upon by a team of Chicago researchers from local universities.
The scientists hope that by gathering DNA samples from 1,000 sets of gay brothers like the Mierows they will be able to find genetic linkages smaller studies failed to detect. They’ll be recruiting brothers again at the Halsted Street festival this weekend.
The results may ignite controversy, the researchers acknowledge, both by providing ammunition in the raging cultural war over homosexuality and by raising fears about ethically questionable applications like genetic profiling and prenatal testing.
But, they argue, the research is essential to our biological understanding of sexual behavior.
“If there are genetic contributions to sexual orientation, they will not remain hidden forever — the march of genetic science can’t be stopped,” said Timothy F. Murphy, bioethicist adviser to the study. “It’s not a question of whether we should or should not do this research, it’s that we make sure we’re prepared to protect people from insidious uses of this science.”
Although the question of whether homosexuality is a choice remains a hot topic for pundits, scientists are largely in agreement that sexual orientation is at least partially determined by biology.
Studies that compare identical and fraternal twins for the frequency of a particular behavioral trait have consistently suggested there are both genetic and environmental causes of homosexuality. Identical twins, who share 100 percent of their genes, show a higher chance of both being gay compared with fraternal twins, who typically share the same family environment but only half their genetic code.
Researchers also have found physical traits that correlate with homosexuality, from the relative size of certain brain areas associated with sexual behavior to seemingly irrelevant characteristics like hair whorl direction and finger-length ratios.
Inspired by the accumulating circumstantial evidence of genetic factors, researchers in the early ’90s began trying to narrow down the wide expanse of DNA to a few promising regions. By comparing the genetic codes of gay brothers, who also share 50 percent of their genes, a “linkage study” tries to detect areas that show up in both men at a frequency higher than chance, suggesting one or more genes in that region might be linked to sexual orientation.
In 1993, geneticist Dean Hamer announced his group had found such a region on the X chromosome, which males inherit from their mothers. But the number of brother pairs used in the study was small and subsequent studies failed to replicate Hamer’s findings, throwing the result into question.
“In complex gene scenarios, people figured out that you need a larger sample size in order to get reasonable statistical power,” said Dr. Alan Sanders, a psychiatrist at Evanston Northwestern Healthcare and the leader of the current study.
To increase the chances of finding genetic areas associated with homosexuality, Sanders proposed assembling almost 10 times the sibling pairs of previous studies. The project received funding in 2001 and began recruiting subjects at gay pride festivals, through gay-oriented publications and on the Internet.
So far the Chicago researchers have obtained blood or saliva DNA samples and survey data from more than 600 brother sets, with several hundred other volunteers in the process of submitting one or the other. Sanders hopes to publish his findings from the first wave of DNA samples in a scientific journal sometime next year.
Sanders cautioned a linkage study can single out only regions of the genetic code, not individual genes.
“One of the advantages of linkage studies is that we don’t have to know those things ahead of time,” Sanders said. “It’s a big advantage here because we don’t know about the biology of sexual orientation yet, so we can find the genes first and then study the biology.”
At this point, the researchers do not know what types of genes they may find; they could be related to hormones, sexual development or a completely unexpected system.
“The genes would probably be doing their work by affecting sexual differentiation of the brain during prenatal life,” said J. Michael Bailey, a Northwestern University psychology professor involved with the project. “But what scientists are increasingly appreciating is that genes can affect a trait in ways you could never have guessed.”The hunt for specific genes that affect sexual orientation may take several years, but the implications of this eventual finding are being fiercely debated already.
“I think this kind of research receives a lot more criticism and attention because people often think it has profound implications for social and moral decisions,” Bailey said. “This is a controversial area. Even though it fascinates people, it scares people from the research end.”
Researchers involved with the project believe finding a genetic linkage will help settle arguments over whether homosexuality is a choice or an innate trait. “A lot of times people we talk to see this research as providing evidence for something they may [have] already had a notion for, that sexual orientation is influenced by pretty early events out of their control,” said Sanders.
Sanders also suggested that as proof of biological predisposition grows, so too does acceptance and tolerance of homosexuals. A Gallup poll conducted in May indicated 42 percent of the surveyed population believe homosexuality is biologically determined — the highest percentage witnessed in 30 years of polling.
Study volunteer Jason Palmer of Chicago said he hopes evidence of a biological source for homosexuality would change people’s opinions on sexual orientation.
“Our strongest opponents are the religious right, many of whom feel that God does not make mistakes,” Palmer said. “So if it’s a genetic factor and proven, perhaps many of them will find an acceptance for homosexuals.”
But some outside observers worry about how proof of a genetic component to homosexuality might be used politically and even medically.
“If you do research on any human behaviors that would allow us either to treat the behavior or to prevent it altogether by prenatal testing, you have got to ask yourself serious questions about societal context in which this type of research takes place,” said Udo Schuklenk, a professor of philosophy at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario.
Critics fear identifying a biological component will lead to prenatal testing and perhaps even treatments for homosexuality. While both Sanders and Bailey expressed doubt about the scientific feasibility or public demand for such applications, Schuklenk suggested they were not considering the worldwide implications.
“I understand why U.S. gays want to know why gay people are gay and understand where they are coming from — there are legal reasons, and the agenda is progressive within the context of the U.S.,” said Schuklenk. “What worries me is that they show a complete disregard of repercussions of research on the international scale, for gay people in societies where civil rights are not as well-protected.”
Mierow said he considered the potential negative ramifications when he volunteered for the study but trusted that changing social views on homosexuality will intervene.
“I hope that by the time science gets to the point [of prenatal testing], society would have progressed enough to not have those feelings,” Mierow said. “I feel like I have more trust in science. It seems like a lot of the bigotry is coming out of religion.”
“People who say that, ‘We shouldn’t know X because knowing X is dangerous,’ to me those are the dangerous people,” Bailey added. “They have provided no good evidence that knowing things is risky; ignorance is what messes us up.”
For now, these discussions will remain largely theoretical until the results of Sanders’ study, as well as others in progress around the country, begin to be released.
As Bailey noted, the results won’t just add to knowledge about the roots of homosexuality, they may also answer more general questions about gender and sexuality.
“Knowing what causes sexual orientation is important scientifically,” he said. “It’s an important aspect of who we are and will provide knowledge about the development of gender, how men and women differ from each other.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-gaygene_bd12aug12,0,5101766.story?page=2
I see, so they are mutants. Genetically abnormal.
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I see, so they are mutants. Genetically abnormal.
Posted by: Pat Herron
I wouldn’t be so unkind Mr. Herron. It “may” be tied to a deviant XY Chromosone, but we really don’t know for sure. Your comments twist my post into a negative.
How can your post be a positive?
You are talking about a genetic mutation.
Hank–
If you’re going to say ESAD, fine, say it.
But don’t then say “you can’t prove what I meant by it.”
C’mon.
If you can say that, then you have to say Clinton wasn’t guilty of having sex with Monica because he didn’t think what he did was “sex.”
Words have meanings. Don’t debase your own language by pretending that they don’t.
XXX and KSFrmGrrl–
I hear you and do in large part agree, even though I’m one of the worst offenders of playing the troll’s little games.
Pretty soon this too shall pass.
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I saw this posted some time ago, but it is fitting now that Hillary Clinton has already unleashed at least three new entitlement programs in her campaign: Healthcare 125 Billion annually, 5 grand a kid is 20 Billion annually, and the new/old social security savings account now called $1000 401K is estimated at 20-25 annually.
WHERE WILL THE MONEY COME FROM?
Source is CBS Sixty Minutes.
“I would argue that the most serious threat to the United States is not someone hiding in a cave in Afghanistan or Pakistan but our own fiscal irresponsibility,” Walker tells Kroft.
David Walker is a prudent man and a highly respected public official. As comptroller general of the United States he runs he Government Accountability Office, the GAO, which audits the government’s books and serves as the investigative arm of the U.S. Congress. He has more than 3,000 employees, a budget of a half a billion dollars, and a message he considers urgent.
“I’m going to show you some numbers…they’re all big and they’re all bad,” he says.
So bad, that Walker has given up on elected officials and taken his message directly to taxpayers and opinion makers, hoping to shape the debate in the next presidential election.
“You know the American people, I tell you, they are absolutely starved for two things: the truth, and leadership,” Walker says.
He calls it a fiscal wake up tour, and he is telling civic groups, university forums and newspaper editorial boards that the U.S. has spent, promised, and borrowed itself into such a deep hole it will be unable to climb out if it doesn’t act now. As Walker sees it, the survival of the republic is at stake.
“What’s going on right now is we’re spending more money than we make…we’re charging it to credit card…and expecting our grandchildren to pay for it. And that’s absolutely outrageous,” he told the editorial board of the Seattle Post Intelligencer.
Beginning next year, and for 20 years thereafter, 78 million Americans will become pensioners and medical dependents of the U.S. taxpayer.
“The first baby boomer will reach 62 and be eligible for early retirement of Social Security January 1, 2008. They’ll be eligible for Medicare just three years later. And when those boomers start retiring in mass, then that will be a tsunami of spending that could swamp our ship of state if we don’t get serious,” Walker explains.
Walker says you could eliminate all waste and fraud and the entire Pentagon budget and the long-range financial problem still wouldn’t go away, in what’s shaping up as an actuarial nightmare.
Part of the problem, Walker acknowledges, is that there won’t be enough wage earners to support the benefits of the baby boomers. “But the real problem, Steve, is health care costs. Our health care problem is much more significant than Social Security,” he says.
The problem with Medicare, Walker says, is people keep living longer, and medical costs keep rising at twice the rate of inflation. But instead of dealing with the problem, he says, the president and the Congress made things much worse in Dec. 2003, when they expanded the Medicare program to include prescription drug coverage.
“The prescription drug bill was probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s,” Walker argues.
Asked why, Walker says, “Well, because we promise way more than we can afford to keep. Eight trillion dollars added to what was already a 15 to $20 trillion under-funding. We’re not being realistic. We can’t afford the promises we’ve already made, much less to be able, piling on top of ‘em.”
So where’s that money going to come from?
“Well it’s gonna come from additional taxes, or it’s gonna come from restructuring these promises, or it’s gonna come from cutting other spending,” Walker says.
“On cost we’re number one in the world. We spend 50 percent more of our economy on health care than any nation on earth,” he says.
Walker says we have promised almost unlimited healthcare to senior citizens who never see the bills, and the government already is borrowing money to pay them. He says the system is unsustainable.
“It’s the number one fiscal challenge for the federal government, it’s the number one fiscal challenge for state governments and it’s the number one competitive challenge for American business. We’re gonna have to dramatically and fundamentally reform our health care system in installments over the next 20 years,” Walker tells Kroft.
And if we don’t?
“And if we don’t, it could bankrupt America,” Walker argues.
You’re probably expecting to hear from someone who disagrees with the comptroller general’s numbers, projections, and analysis. But hardly anyone does. He is accompanied on the wake-up tour by economists from the conservative Heritage Foundation, the left-leaning Brookings Institution, and the non-partisan Concord Coalition. The only dissenters seem to be a small minority of economists who believe either that the U.S. can grow its way out of the problem, or that Walker is over-stating it.
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke validated much of Walker’s take on the situation at congressional hearings this year, and so did ranking Republicans and Democrats on the Senate Budget Committee. Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota is the chairman.
Sen. Conrad thinks David Walker is “providing an enormous public service.”
Conrad acknowledges that most people in Washington are aware how bad the situation is. “They know in large measure here, Republicans and Democrats, that we are on a course that doesn’t add up,” the senator tells Kroft.
“Why doesn’t somebody do something about it?” Kroft asks.
“Because it’s always easier not to. ‘Cause it’s always easier to defer, to kick the can down the road to avoid making choices. You know, you get in trouble in politics when you make choices,” Sen. Conrad says.
“Any politician who tells you that we can solve our problem without reforming Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid is not telling you the truth,” Walker told an audience at the University of Denver.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/01/60minutes/main2528226_page3.shtml#ccmm(CBS) This segment was originally broadcast on March 4, 2007. It was updated on July 8, 2007.
PS: Don’t tell me from the Iraq War. Temporary expenditure not a permanent entitlement. Cost of war cannot be turned into normal spending.
How would she know?
Posted by: Pat Herron | October 15, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Because Mrs XXX is a very attractive lady and she wasn’t always married to me. She was persued by a lot of guys until I won her heart.
Pat, I wouldn’t expect you to understand, you not having a woman and all. That is you who spends so much time blogging at night, isn’t it? Men who enjoy the company of women have better things to do at night than blog.
Hillary has shown how she will pay for them, A. N.
Bush never pays for anything. He just issues more bonds for the Chinese to buy.
Cap’N,
Indeed. Sad to watch Hank stoop to semantic games.
The shrinkage is unmistakable.
How can your post be a positive?
You are talking about a genetic mutation.
Posted by: Pat Herron | October 15, 2007 at 11:59 AM
Do you know anyone with red hair? Blonde? Tall? Short?
These are not negatives: They are part of what make us human.
Used Goods. I understand. Sometimes you have to settle for whatever you can get.
Uh, XXX,
You’re welcome to continue this if you so choose.
But . . . who’s dancing now?
Not so easy to stand aloof when it’s YOU and a loved-one under attack, is it?
Hillary has shown how she will pay for them, A. N.
How Captain? How is she going to “fund” these new entitlement programs? Can you please provide me that information or a link to it? Thanks.
We are trillions in debt. Not just by current administration. It goes back to LBJ in the sixties when he started funding the new social programs and they took the Social Security Trust Fund and directed all FICA payments into the general fund.
Bush may have let republicans down and ruined their belief in the conservatives being financially astute, but he did not cause the problem.
Solution will involve ALL parties, and will not happen if we start new entitlement programs.
It “may” be tied to a deviant XY Chromosone, but we really don’t know for sure. Your comments twist my post into a negative.
Posted by: It is genetics | October 15, 2007 at 11:58 AM
You are the one who labeled the “deviant XY Chromosone”.
So, are they still human? Or was this mutant genetic shift not so extreme? Is this the next stage in evolution or the previous stage?
“Men who enjoy the company of women have better things to do at night than blog.”
Hehehehe XXX. So do women who enjoy the company of women.
That’s why I work the day shift :)
Dear CF2K
I am somewhat amused by your tenacity on this subject.
This is the first ‘GOOGLE’ entry for ESAD:
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ESAD
How far down did you have to go before you found your definition?
We need to do lunch sometime and I’ll tell you what I really think about you and the NYT.
Hank
A. N.
It’s on her web page. She may have to GASP! raise taxes on the rich (quarter million or more in income / yearly), I don’t know.
But it is pay-as-you-go.
Unlike Bush’s programs (Iraq War) which is “just charge it.”
AN,
Hillary is ignoring the $15 to $20 TRILLION shortfall in Social Security/Medicare, while AT THE SAME TIME trying to sell her HillaryCare! expansion of Socialism!
The plane is crashing, but instead of pulling up on the yoke, Hillary is pushing down very hard.
Whatever lie it takes to be President, the Ends Justify the Means. And to H*ck with what’s best for the Country!
Ask not what is best for this Country, Ask what is best for Hillary!
Alinsky.
Hank–
Fer gosh sakes, man, you’re making it worse.
I’m sure you meant Empire State Association for the Deaf.
I’d like to think there’s SOMEBODY on the right with some honor.
I guess I was wrong.
Oh, no.
How can Hillary ever win without Max’s vote!
Capn, I know when to let it go. See you tonight at the Ballet.
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Cap’N,
Indeed. The reaching continues. Hank knows he’s wrong but can’t…can’t…can’t quite get himself to say it.
Hank Price,
CF2K’s work schedule precludes lunch.
I’m with a previous poster; don’t remember who. It’s time to get rid of the daily open threads. The’ve devolved into little more than running exchanges of personal attacks, charges and counter charges, and rarely are substantive opinions exhanged.
In short, if we can’t grow up, perhaps it’s time for our toy to be taken away, or at least limited.
CF2K’s work schedule precludes lunch.
Posted by: CF2K | October 15, 2007 at 12:37 PM
However, posting time on the job is allowed.
Hey GMC70,
All of the nastyness will just move to another thread. Take the “Clinton borrows from a fake pundit”thread for an example.
It stayed on subject until the second post. J R contributed a personal attack against Nathan and me.
Open threads aren’t the problem, nitwits are the problem and they are not bound by the thread subject matter.
Hank
Good afternoon Captain!
Do you intentionally miss the point, or are you just stupid?
Hank
Hank -
Probably true. But the open threads seem to be an invitation for stupidity.
Perhaps if they are removed, at least on a daily basis, there will be an understanding that we post here on the good graces of others, not because of anything we earned or are owed. Consequences to our bad behavior may reign in the bad behavior.
Or maybe it’s just wishful thinking, and we’re too far gone. That would be too bad.
Open threads aren’t the problem, nitwits are the problem and they are not bound by the thread subject matter.
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | October 15, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Hank, I heartly agree!
Hank,
Can we at least agree that the full-on trolling we’ve seen lately is qualitatively different from the usual spats between regulars?
Who be the regulars? The IN crowd, the CLICK, they be better then anyone else?
Blame, that’s the name of the game.
Must find someone to blame for this blog.
It’s not the regulars who are at fault. No, couldn’t be!
“We have met the enemy, and he is us.”
Anybody see the snark in this a.m.’s opinion line – the Republican bragging about how he helps out at a shelter feeding a bunch of Democrats.
And the worst part is, he doesn’t even realize how much of a Republican **it-head it makes him sound like.
Dear Rage,
Yes.
Hank
Thanks, Hank. I figured that’d be your answer.
“Irregular,” newbies are quite welcome, too.
Quite a choice of nic–may I suggest Metamucil?
I’ve got only one nic and do not troll.
I’m surprised this discussion has stayed as civil as it has. A couple of sock puppets so far.Yesterday’s Open Thread was like an outbreak of rabies.
Glad you enjoyed it folks.
The lesson for today is
“JUST POST/DISCUSS AND LEAVE OTHERS ALONE”
The Capn is the worst here on accusing others of nic switching and nic stealing, when in fact he has done it himself.
As I’ve requested many times before, stop messing with me and I won’t mess with you.
Post, discuss the issues and we will get along just fine. That’s all I ever asked.
“As I’ve requested many times before, stop messing with me and I won’t mess with you.
Post, discuss the issues and we will get along just fine. That’s all I ever asked.”
Okay. Noted.
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http://www.factcheck.org/article302.html
President Bush and Vice President Cheney have told audiences that Social Security faces an $11 trillion shortfall if nothing is done to fix the current system. But they fail to mention that this is over the course of the “infinite future.” Over the next 75 years — still practically a lifetime — the shortfall is projected to be $3.7 trillion.
The “infinite” projection is one that the American Academy of Actuaries says is likely to mislead the public into thinking the system “is in far worse financial condition than is actually indicated,” and therefore should not be used to explain the long-term outlook.AnalysisIn a roundtable conversation on January 11, the president said the Social Security system “is going to be short the difference between obligations and money coming in, by about $11 trillion, unless we act.”
President BushRemarks at Andrew W. Mellon Auditorium, January 11, 2005
Bush: Now, I readily concede some would say, well, it’s not bankrupt yet; why don’t we wait until it’s bankrupt? The problem with that notion is that the longer you wait, the more difficult it is to fix. You realize that this system of ours is going to be short the difference between obligations and money coming in, by about $11 trillion, unless we act. And that’s an issue. That’s trillion with a “T.”
Vice President Cheney echoed this claim in a January 13 speech at Catholic University when he said, “Again, the projected shortfall in Social Security exceeds $10 trillion.”
Both are correct — but fail to mention that nearly two-thirds of that colossal bill doesn’t come due until after the year 2078.
The Trustees Report
The projection comes from the 2004 Social Security Trustees report which estimates that the system’s unfunded obligations are $10.4 trillion over the course of what they call the “infinite horizon.” Historically, the infinite-horizon projection has not been included in the annual report, and was only added in 2003.
Previously the Trustees had used only a 75-year projection to estimate the system’s long-term deficits, roughly the length of a human lifetime. (Average life expectancy at birth has now increased to just over 77 years, up from just under 75 years as recently as the 1980’s, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.) The Social Security Trustees’ 2004 projection shows a $3.7 trillion shortfall over this 75-year period.
The Trustees reasoned that the 75-year window should be extended to the infinite future to give policymakers a better idea of the changes necessary to keep the system sustainable indefinitely — especially beyond 2078 when they said Social Security’s deficit will be increasing even faster than during the next 75 years.
Vice President CheneyRemarks at Catholic University, January 13, 2005
Cheney: Another argument against Social Security reform with voluntary personal accounts is that the so-called transition costs would be too high. Yet focusing merely on transition costs is to overlook the greater cost of doing nothing. Again, the projected shortfall in Social Security exceeds $10 trillion; that figure is nearly twice the combined wages and salaries of every single working American last year. There will be no — there will be costs no matter what we decide.A technical panel set up to advise the Social Security Administration later said that infinite-horizon model is useful but “it is
parkay?
Let me help you out.
Say it with me….
Choice is legal. It will always be legal. Even were it not legal, it woudl still happen. I cannot change this. I will devote my efforts to making this a world where every child is welcomed and cared for by society at large. This is the best I can do to limit termination of unwanted pregnancy.
Put your considerable efforts there and I’m with you. Also? You’ll feel better about yourself.Actually making a difference is eminently more fulfilling than tilting windmills.
http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_seaiceminimum/20070810_faq.html
“Why is Arctic sea ice so important?
Arctic sea ice keeps the polar regions cool and helps moderate global climate. Sea ice has a bright surface, so 80 percent of the sunlight that strikes it is reflected back into space. As sea ice melts in the summer, it exposes the dark ocean surface. Instead of reflecting 80 percent of the sunlight, the ocean absorbs 90 percent of the sunlight. The oceans heat up, and Arctic temperatures rise further.
A small temperature increase at the poles leads to still greater warming over time, making the poles the most sensitive regions to climate change on Earth. According to scientific measurements, both the thickness and summer sea ice extent in the Arctic have shown a dramatic decline over the past thirty years. This is consisistent with observations of a warming Arctic. The loss of sea ice also has the potential to accelerate global warming trends and to change climate patterns.
For more information about the importance of sea ice, including its importance for global ocean circulation, people, and animals, see All About Sea Ice: Environment.”
A very scary graph,
Arctic sea ice loss compared to IPCC modelshttp://www.carbonequity.info/images/seaice07.jpg
Lots of info and resources,http://www.carbonequity.info/
If Social Security/Medicare is SOUND, then I want a written guarantee from the Federal Government which states:
I will receive my full SS/Medicare benefits as currently projected today, with No Means testing, No double taxation of my Social Security/Medicare dollars, and No Increases in Medicare premiums based on a Means Test. And there will be NO INCREASES IN THE 15.3% SS/MEDICARE tax EVER!
This gurantee promises the above will occur or I will get ALL OF MY MONEY BACK!
Bush doesn’t want to fix SS. He wants to scrap it and help Wall Street.
If I want to gamble, I’ll go to Vegas. Leave my money alone.
Hey parkay,
It took a civil war and the dead bodies of 600000+ Americans to bring abolition to the blacks of the south. I hope it doesn’t come to that to let people accept the scientific facts about the humanity of the unborn. Lets calm down and consistently invoke the axiom that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
With science that proves the unborn as human and distincly different from the body of its mother, and with the verity engraved into our american culture that all humans have rights to life, hopefully we will see the intellect of every rational human being challenged to accept what is right. Beating all the war drums accomplishes little at this point in time.
Bush doesn’t want to fix SS. He wants to scrap it and help Wall Street.
If I want to gamble, I’ll go to Vegas. Leave my money alone.
Posted by: Rox | October 15, 2007 at 02:24 PM
That’s what happens when you drink the koolaid and stop thinking for yourself. If you believe what you posted, you are less intelligent than I gave you credit for.
The Dangers of mixing Politics with Science:
The DDT Fiasco
Ever since the World Health Organization reversed the environmentalist-promoted ban on DDT in 2006, eco-activists have scrambled to devise new ways to malign the life-saving insecticide in order to salvage their badly marred reputation.
The study was small (including only 133 women with breast cancer), completely omitted data on key risk factors for breast cancer (such as genetics and family history) and only partially considered other potential risk factors (such as pregnancy and breast-feeding history). All of which amply explains the study’s internal contradictions and statistical flakiness.
The vast majority of the statistical correlations reported in the study were either zero or negative — meaning no relationship between DDT and breast cancer. Accepting the negative ones at face value, as Myers did the positive, would support the equally unlikely implication that DDT might actually prevent breast cancer. Moreover, the positive correlations were highly suspect.
Assuming purely for the sake of argument that DDT does increase the risk of breast cancer, do Snedeker’s concerns even make any sense?
Zimbabwe, for example, has about 2,000 cases of breast cancer per year, affecting about 0.016 percent of the population. In contrast, about 1.5 million cases of malaria occur there annually, affecting more than 12 percent of the population.
Avoiding the use of DDT to control malaria in Zimbabwe and other similarly afflicted areas because of concerns of breast cancer is clearly absurd — only made more so by the speciousness of the claim that DDT increases breast cancer risk.
As Randall Dodd concluded in his Wall Street Journal letter, “… in the context of the millions of people, principally children, who die from malaria every year, even if one suspends disbelief and grants the [Mount Sinai researchers] their findings, an elevated potential risk of the maladies they mention is outweighed exponentially by the certainty of millions of deaths, most of them avoidable, from malaria.” FOX NEWS
40 million dead already.
When is enough enough?
Dear cosmos,
“Arctic sea ice keeps the polar regions cool and helps moderate global climate.”
Do you not see what is wrong with this idiotic statement?
Hank
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Criminals” -John Kerry9.00 pm ~ Memorial service for
Sadamm his sons – Cindy Sheehan
and Susan Sarandon10:00 pm ~ “Answering MachineEtiquette” – Alec Baldwin11:00 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a
toast11:05 pm ~ Collection for the
Osama Bin Laden kidney
transplant fund -Barbra Streisand11:15 pm ~ “Free the Freedom
Fighters from
Guantanamo Bay” – Sean Penn11:30 pm ~ “Oval Office Affairs” -William Jefferson Clinton11:45 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a
toast11:50 pm ~ “How George Bush
Brought Down the World
Trade Towers” – Howard
Dean12:15 am ~ “Truth in Broadcasting
Award” – Presented to
Dan Rather by Michael Moore12:25 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a
toast12:30 am ~ Satellite address by
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad12:45 am ~ Nomination of Hillary
Rodham Clinton by
Nancy Pelosi1:00 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a
toast1:05 am ~ Coronation of Hillary
Rodham Clinton1:30 am ~ Ted Kennedy propos es a toast1:35 am ~ Bill Clinton asks Ted
Kennedy to drive Hillary
home
lol :)
Pat,
I fall in the year(s) where I wouldn’t be a part of Bush’s “private savings” nor in with those who would be allowed to receive SS. No one has yet answered my question as to what happens to the money I’ve paid in. Until they can give me an answer I can accept, I will continue to think (on my own) as I do.
And, Pat? You’ve never given me credit for intelligence. Your posts to me the other night are proof of that.
Bush’s plan was rejected, thanks to a lot of bad press, the AARP group, and it’s own dying weight.
The plan would have hosed me. I would not have time to recover under reduced benefits – nor time to grow my personal account. It also increased the minimum retirement age to 70, which screws everyone who didn’t inherit longevity.
In short: It needed some work.
However, I still believe that is the way to go for young people. Start them looking at their own personal statements, investing wisely, and seeing the power of compound interest.
The alternative is to wait thirty years, and have them ask the very same question you are asking now ROX:
“Where’s the money?”
RFL, yes it may be distinct, but it’s still attached to my body. It can’t live without me. My life and body trumps whatever limitations you think you want to impose.
“Start them looking at their own personal statements, investing wisely, and seeing the power of compound interest.”
Much like Hillary’s proposal to give everyone a 401K.
Posted by: American Way | October 15, 2007 at 02:38 PM
lol :)Posted by: Kansas
Well thanks Kansas. I figured you’d need a pick me up seeing the long, on-going, and tedious battle you have been leading.(you are winning by the way, that’s why they get nasty!)
Someone has to tell these greedy holier-than-thou liberal democrats that it’s NOT THEIR MONEY! They need to keep their hands in their own pockets and stop trying to legislate their personal morality on America.
“As I’ve requested many times before, stop messing with me and I won’t mess with you.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 15, 2007 at 01:19 PM
Translation: Don’t point out that Kansas posts falsehoods, and he wont post false personal attacks that the editor will delete.
Kansas: “Post, discuss the issues and we will get along just fine. That’s all I ever asked.”
Really? I posted a comment Dr. Graeme Pearman made about Bob Carter.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–11.html#comment-86418310
Kansas “discussed the issues” a few minutes later by making false personal attacks at me.
Why didn’t Kansas attack Dr. Pearman, who made the comment about Carter?http://www.dar.csiro.au/profile/pearman.html
PREPARE TO BE VISUALLY BLUDGEONED BY CAMPAIGN ADS
Political television advertising to reach $3 billion
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WASHINGTON (CNN) — A wide-open presidential race and a willingness by candidates, interest groups, unions and corporations to buy TV time will lead to historic spending for political and issue-advocacy advertising in the 2008 election cycle, an analysis shows.
The cost to try to influence the 2008 election could exceed $3 billion, according to TNS Media Intelligence/Campaign Media Analysis Group, CNN’s consultant on political television advertising.
This is nearly twice as much than what was spent in 2004 when political and issue-advocacy television advertising rang in at $1.7 billion. In 2006, $2.3 billion was spent on political and issue-advocacy TV commercials. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/15/ad.spending/index.html
RFL, yes it may be distinct, but it’s still attached to my body. It can’t live without me. My life and body trumps whatever limitations you think you want to impose.-pmom
Your life is not at stake and your body and its wishes do not trump the right to life of another being even it is attached to you. Newborn infants are no more capable of taking care of themselves than an unborn child.
Regarding your body, there are all ready laws regarding what you can and can not do to your body. You can not legally snort crack up your nose or attempt suicide without some sort of incarceration.
Oil above 86$ p.b., 10% in the last 5 days. What will that make when it gets to 100, about a 900 or 1000 % increase over the Oil Men’s Administration?
” “Arctic sea ice keeps the polar regions cool and helps moderate global climate.”
Do you not see what is wrong with this idiotic statement?”
Posted by: Hank Price | October 15, 2007 at 02:35 PM
No. Cold polar regions help “moderate” the warm equatorial region.
Less Arctic sea ice = warmer polar region = less “moderation”.
“The plan would have hosed me.”
Then you see my point, Heckler. I’d have to see a better plan than the one Bush wanted. He’d been touting his “change” long before he ever ran for president. What it boiled down to was investing that money in the stock market. I don’t do that, no matter how many times I’ve been told that “it’s the thing to do!”. Sorry, maybe I’m a reincarnate of one of the guys who jumped out a window during the crash, but… >grin<
PREPARE TO BE VISUALLY BLUDGEONED BY CAMPAIGN ADS Kansas
Consider yourself lucky to be in Kansas during the national election. Very little is spent here by national candidates compared to the big electoral vote states or those with early polls, primaries. Iowa for example, offers little to get presidential votes – but they are first.
Kansas is a fly over state. No reason to even stop. Oh we will get commercials, those paid for on national broadcasts, but we are really fortunate not to be inundated with what the other states are experiencing.
I think all parties are tired of hearing them by election day.
(of course we are UNlucky in that we have little pull because we are so small. In particular, the few blue people amongst us. They are even a smaller minority.)
“Kansas is a fly over state. No reason to even stop.” Posted by: American Way | October 15, 2007 at 03:35 PM
Perhaps, but from the lessons learned of the last two elections concerning Electoral College votes, I think both sides will be paying very close attention.
It’s kind of like saving pennies. Slow at the beginning, but after awhile one realize the substantial accumulation one has when the “penny jar” is bursting at the seams.
The analogy can be applied to the electoral votes accumulation.
Terrible news for all parties.
Police today issued a warning to all men who frequent clubs and parties. Females are using a drug called “beer” to target unsuspecting men. This drug comes in liquid form and is available nearly everywhere.
“Beer” is used by females to persuade hapless male victims to go home with them. Women need only persuade a man to consume a few of these “beers” and then ask him home for no-strings- attached sex, a simple approach that renders most men helpless. After several “beers,” men will have sex with even unattractive women. Often men awaken with only hazy memories of the night before, a horrible headache, and a vague feeling that something bad happened.
Some really unfortunate men are even separated from their life’s savings in a scam called “a relationship.” In extreme cases, females have entrapped unsuspecting males into long-term servitude through a punishment called “marriage.” Apparently, men are much more susceptible to this scam once “beer” is administered.
If you, or some man you know, have fallen victim to this insidious “beer” and the women who administer it, rest assured: Male support groups exist in every major city where you can discuss the ugly details of your encounter in an open and frank manner with similarly affected, like-minded guys. For the support group nearest you, look in the Yellow Pages under “Golf Courses.”
RFL, yes it may be distinct, but it’s still attached to my body. It can’t live without me. My life and body trumps whatever limitations you think you want to impose.
Posted by: political_mom | October 15, 2007 at 02:50 PM
And “it” can’t live without you for several years after being born either. “It’s” weighing you down, forcing you to work and provide for “it”. You should be allowed to just chuck-”it” at least until it’s age 5 or so.
English ‘pull own teeth’ as dental service decays
Oct 15 02:45 PM US/Eastern
“Falling numbers of state dentists in England has led to some people taking extreme measures, including extracting their own teeth, according to a new study released Monday.
Others have used superglue to stick crowns back on, rather than stumping up for private treatment, said the study. One person spoke of carrying out 14 separate extractions on himself with pliers.
More typically, a lack of publicly-funded dentists means that growing numbers go private: 78 percent of private patients said they were there because they could not find a National Health Service (NHS) dentist, and only 15 percent because of better treatment.”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071015184546.avefmhtd&show_article=1
Just a peek at the future of Hillarycare.
Oil above 86$ p.b., 10% in the last 5 days. What will that make when it gets to 100, about a 900 or 1000 % increase over the Oil Men’s Administration?
Posted by: The Phantom | October 15, 2007 at 03:20 PM
I’m sure Hillary will solve this problem.
When oil hits $100/barrel, Hillary will be the first one to be killing polar bears to get at that arctic crude.
Ah cosmos,
The old chicken or the egg question.
The arctic ice exists because the arctic region is cold. The Arctic region is not cold because of the ice.
Granted, the arctic ice cap acts like a big heat sink and moderates the arctic region but the current melting is just part of a normal cycle. We couldn’t stop it if we tried.
Hank
LOL, Hotdog!
“For the support group nearest you, look in the Yellow Pages under “Golf Courses.”"
And golfers don’t drink “beer”? That’s even funnier.
Pat Herron writes, “it’s own dying weight”
Of course, you mean “its.” It’s would mean “it is.”
I only bring it up because of how you rag on JR about his insignificant grammatical errors.
Expect to get as ye give around here, pal.
And golfers don’t drink “beer”? That’s even funnier.
Posted by: Rox
I’d have to turn in my guy card if I answered that.
Well gosh Hank.
I say try anyway. Can’t hurt.
JR,
Try what anyway?
I think this sums up Cosmos perfectly:
Definition: Glowarmer – those with an almost religious belief that humans are the cause of global warming. They also believe that we are headed for certain disaster unless we institute draconian measures to combat global warming.
http://glowarmers.blogspot.com/2007/09/11-ways-to-deal-with-glowarmers.html
pal.Posted by: CapnAmerica
Is it as it is? It is, as it is.
I don’t suppose I can claim a typo? Oh nevermind, I’m not that sorta guy.
Thanks, you are correct.
Address human caused global warming proactively Nathan.
Couldn’t hoit!
If you believe what you posted, [that Soc Security is safer than the stock market] you are less intelligent than I gave you credit for.
Posted by: Pat Herron |
Thanks for the arch superciliousness, Pat, but the fact remains that while the stock market has gone up and down (more up than down to be sure), the Social Security system has never missed a paycheck in SEVENTY YEARS.
There’s a strong case to be made (that has nothing to do with one’s intelligence) that Social Security is not going broke, that it’s (note correct use) about as sound now as it’s ever been, and that the rumors of its (again, please note) death are wishful thoughts by those who want it to fail.
The letter is up to 46,100!
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
JR,
Sure it could JR. The draconian measures that the Glowarmers want to place on our economy would cost us counless sums of money.
It will hurt our economy.
Why don’t you buy insurance for your home against meteor strikes?
It couldn’t hurt…
My insurance policy covers meteor strikes, but not falling elephants… Darn, I need Geico or Aflac!! LOL
I worry about falling elephants, living in a red state LOL
It couldn’t hurt Chas.
Why don’t you go ahead and build your home to be meteor proof?
It couldn’t hurt…..
You have htat kind of money don’t you?
Better yet, why doesn’t JR pay for you to make your home meteor proof.
It couldn’t hurt, right JR?
Pardon me while I shed NO tears for the fossil fuels industry Nathan.
Great link Nathan! I found these two paragraphs most enlightening and they fit some here perfectly!
“One of the first things you need to realize is they will always call you a liar. It does not matter how many studies you present or what evidence you present, to them you are always lying. The way in which to counter this is to challenge them to prove that you are lying.”
“No matter how many times you answer a question, glowarmers will always claim that you didn’t answer. They do this in an attempt to get under your skin. Don’t make the mistake of responding to this sort of nonsense more then once. Another possibility why they do this is because you didn’t give them the answer they wanted.”http://glowarmers.blogspot.com/2007/09/11-ways-to-deal-with-glowarmers.html
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk3MjA4Mjg4JnlyaXJ5N2Y3MTdmN3ZxZWVFRXl5Mg==
Kansas,
Environmental Terrorists are everywhere!
The task force is currently conducting more than 400 counterterror investigations. These range from probes into Bin Laden’s network to neo-Nazis to environmental terrorists.
Figured you for a luddite Nathan.
Fossil fuels technology is incredibly expensive not just in treasure but in blood to maintain its flow.
It’s good most Americans want better for their country. America can become the world leader in alternative technologies. We just have to get the flat earth luddites outta the way.: )
And we are.
I’m doing my part J R. Bought me one of those new fangled light bulbs and I’m recycling my beer bottles.
I’ve pretty much saved my little part of the planet!
Hank
And what if the terrorists do start a nuclear exchange? A positive benefit? Is this what an environmental terrorist would be trying to accomplish?
http://news.mongabay.com/2006/1211-nuclear.html
Nuclear war could cause global cooling (i.e. block global warming)Rhett Butler, mongabay.com
December 11, 2006
Nuclear war would disrupt global climate for at least a decade according to new research presented Dec. 11 at the annual meeting of American Geophysical Union in San Francisco.
The research, based on findings from historic volcano eruptions, found that a small-scale, regional nuclear war could produce millions of tons of “soot” particles that could block solar radiation, in effect, cooling the planet.
“We examined the climatic effects of the smoke produced in a regional conflict in the subtropics between two opposing nations, each using 50 Hiroshima-size nuclear weapons to attack the other’s most populated urban areas,” said Alan Robock, a professor in the department of environmental sciences at Rutgers University. “A cooling of several degrees would occur over large areas of North America and Eurasia, including most of the grain-growing regions. As in the case with earlier nuclear winter calculations, large climatic effects would occur in regions far removed from the target areas or the countries involved in the conflict.”
The Fat Man mushroom cloud resulting from the nuclear explosion over Nagasaki rises 18 km (11 mi, 60,000 ft) into the air from the hypocenter, August 9, 1945. National archives.The team, also including scientists from the University of Colorado at Boulder (CU-Boulder) and UCLA, say the global impact of nuclear would be akin to climate disruptions caused by volcanic eruptions which cool the planet by releasing tons of particulate matter into the atmosphere. They cite the 1815 eruption of Tambora in Indonesia as an example.
“The 1815 eruption of Tambora in Indonesia – the largest in the last 500 years – was followed by killing frosts throughout New England in 1816, during what has become known as ‘the year without a summer,’” said a statement from Rutgers. “The weather in Europe was reported to be so cold and wet that the harvest failed and people starved. This historical event, according to Robock, perhaps foreshadows the kind of climate disruptions that would follow a regional nuclear conflict.”
Max is a scroll-over, heigh ho.
Hotdog1 writes: “I don’t suppose I can claim a typo?”
Hotdog, are you Pat Herron?
Just wondering.
And I don’t imagine it hurt you at all Hank. Good for you!
We don’t have to go backward to go forward. Sideways with ethanol aint much help either.
Gosh folks, I’m too young to remember it, but this is the country that put a man on the Moon in 7 years! Let’s have some can do spirit!
JR,
Typical…
You go from making some broad generic statement that I disagree with to some very narrow point to try to attack me with.
Funny that you would call me a luddite.
Do you even know the meaning of the word?
If you do, please feel free to explain how I am one.
Hank shall now be addressed as ESAD, Hank.
Since it doesn’t mean anything bad to Hank, he won’t mind at all . . .
Hey Dad,
Now all we need to do is use 3 squares of toilet paper (or was it 2) and we will be saving the world!
LOL
Or we try another approach to cool the planet. Not sure if more coal plants would have the same impact as the “sulphur” injections discussed in the article below.
http://news.mongabay.com/2006/1116-crutzen.html
Pollution could be used to fight global warmingmongabay.comNovember 16, 2006
A Nobel Prize-winning scientist caused a stir Wednesday at the U.N. climate conference in Nairobi when he said “pollution” could be used to help fight global warming.
Paul J. Crutzen, winner of the 1995 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on the hole in the ozone layer, said that injecting sulfur into the atmosphere could slow global warming by reflecting solar radiation back into space. The plan would use balloons carrying artillery guns to fire sulfates into the stratosphere. Unlike greenhouse gas emissions, which feature a lag-time in heating the globe, the climatic response from sulfate injection would take effect within six months and the reflective particles would remain in the stratosphere for up to two years.
Kansas writes,
“The Capn is the worst here on accusing others of nic switching . . . when in fact he has done it himself.”
Evading the issue again.
The issue is the LYING about switching nics.
Be not deceived.
Max,
That just reminded me of Highlander.
Remember how they covered the sky in that movie series?
What a joke.
CapnAmerica,
Just leave CapnAmerica. Do the blog a favor.
JR, Police your own!
Ah I don’t want to be mean with you Nathan.
You’re even younger than me. You probably don’t even remember the Moon landings.
America can do great things still can’t we? I think we all agree we want better for our country at least. I’d like to see the day we can tell the mideast what they can do with their oil.
In a different way then we do now that is.
Great article on Nuclear Terrorism.
Could have the side-benefit of curing global warming.
Dr Liam Fox speech: The Threat of Nuclear TerrorismSource: Conservative PartyPublished Friday, 12 October, 2007 – 14:13——————————————————————————–Story toolsPrint this articleEmail to a friendYour feedbackI want to begin with three simple facts.
In 1997 Technical Area 18, a highly secure area of Los Alamos National laboratory in New Mexico, was successfully breached by US special forces in a special security exercise. They were able to steal enough fissile material for a nuclear bomb.
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the German government reported more than 700 cases of attempted nuclear sales, including 60 instances that involved seizure of nuclear materials. And that was only in the first three years.
Following the collapse of the Taliban after the invasion of Afghanistan, American forces uncovered details of an Al Qaeda nuclear planning cell. Osama bin Laden has called for the killing of 4 million Americans.
I begin with these things because they are not unrelated. While our political and military leaders are focused on the war in Iraq and the media seems increasingly obsessed by trivia, there exists out there a clear and present threat not only to our security but to our entire way of life. The threat is that of nuclear terrorism and we need to ask today questions that the public would ask the day after an attack. How could this be possible? How could it be allowed to happen? What could have been done to prevent it?
http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/15058
I’m afraid your “glowarmers” web site won’t help you with me Nathan.
Even if there were no global warming, evolving our country away from dependence on petroleum would be the good and SMART thing to do.
Highlander? Don’t recall seeing that one.
Toilet paper! You’re still wasting toilet paper?
Pa
Max,
That was back during the ozone scare and in the movie they developed a machine which covered the sky in something like constant cloud cover to protect us from the deadly UV rays…
Something like that anyway.
That was not the point of the movie, just a sub plot.
The movie series is actually about those immortals who try to kill each other by chopping off each others heads in sword fights.
Max,
How many nuclear weapons do you figure the U.S. has?
You hear that joke about the bear and the rabbit?
A bear and a rabbit were sh*tting in the woods. The bear looked over and asked…”Hey Mr Rabbit, do you ever have a problem with sh*t sticking to your fur?”
The rabbit replied…”Why no, Mr Bear, I have no trouble with that at all!”
The bear grinned happily, said “I’m glad to hear that, Mr. Rabbit!” and then picked the bunny up and wiped his beary hairy as* with him.
If there is a Liberal around Hank/Nathan, they work about as well as rabbits.
Moon landings?!
Heaven only knows what them damn rocket engines did to our ozone layer!
Hank
I don’t know Rox, you can google it and probably get details on what and where, for Nuke count by country. (I did that while back and was surprised that Israel has 3 submarines capable of launching SLBM’s)
We have so many that we don’t notice when a few went missing on that B-52 flying from ND to LA last month.
The Theft possibility from the US or former Soviet Union is very scary to consider.
Like someone said on this blog before though, likely targets would be one of the top 10 US cities.
Depending on the wind, we might be ok.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/summary.htm
“A” web site with nuke count by country.
Notice that Russia still has more then the US. Not sure the Cold War is really over.
I seem to recall hearing that when Russia “fell”, much of their nuclear disappeared.
I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s and well remember the nuclear scare. I don’t plan to repeat it.
Rox,
The only difference is that it is not in the news every day and shoved down your throat.
Russia recently reactivated their startegic bombers into service.
We both still have Nuclear weapons ready to go.
The Nuclear scare never started and never stopped.
The media simply moved on.
Even if there were no global warming, evolving our country away from dependence on petroleum would be the good and SMART thing to do.
Posted by: J R | October 15, 2007 at 04:45 PM
I don’t think any one with reasonable evaluation of our use of fossil fuels with that statement J R.
However, evolution is a naturally slow process. What the Climate Alarmists are suggesting is rapid mutation not evolution. (pardon the biology example)
Technology that is viable enough to replace fossil fuels will take time no matter how much money we dump into it.
Fossil fuel combustion engines are very inefficient. Therefore, the problem too is with coming up with an engine design that will burn alternative fuels efficiently. This kind of technology will take many years.
I don’t know Max, *hit seems to stick to them.
Hank
I don’t think any one with reasonable evaluation of our use of fossil fuels with that statement J R.
should read…
I don’t think any one with reasonable evaluation of our use of fossil fuels would disagree with that statement J R.
I was a little later then 50’s Rox, but do remember late 60’s well. As a young boy I read “Alas Babylon” and several other nuclear war books of that day.
I’m afraid we’re not safe yet Rox.
Putin has been rattling his sabre lately, and they still have more nukes then we do.
Nuclear proliferation to the rest of the world, will only make the nuclear problem worse.
China is increasing its military spending by 20% per year, and is a rapidly growing threat.
3rd world terrorism will continue to be a threat for some time.
America needs to remain strong, we cannot drop our guard again.
Yes, 60’s is more accurate.
I didn’t make my point clear. I’m not going to live the rest of my life “hiding under a school desk”, waiting for the bomb. Too many years of living in fear has cured me of that.
The other point is that I think it’s the height of hypocracy to be among the top countries with nuclear weapon capabilities and think we can tell everyone else if they can or can’t. Yes, I understand the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and all that, but I doubt we’re coming clean on our numbers, anymore than anyone else is.
The problem too Max in regards to Nuclear Weapons is that the amount held by the former Soviet Union is spread out into separate autonomous governments.
There is no longer a super power like the Soviet Union anymore that uses nuclear blackmail as a tool to get its way in the world.
Instead, we have many more countries to deal with from the old Soviet Union that have nuclear weapons.
Kansas,
From what I know, all former Soviet Union Countries which had Nuclear Weapons had transfered all of them back to Russia.
So we don’t have many more countries to deal with.
The letter is up to $47,700.00!
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
“The arctic ice exists because the arctic region is cold. The Arctic region is not cold because of the ice.”
Posted by: Hank Price | October 15, 2007 at 03:59 PM
The polar regions are cold because they get less solar energy.
The Arctic sea ice makes the region colder, by reflecting solar energy.
Human-added greenhouse gases are causing Earth to warm, especially at Northern latitudes.
That warming is melting Arctic sea ice, causing more solar energy to be absorbed, and more warming — causing more sea ice to melt, etc… (positive feedback).
The warming at Northern latitudes is thawing permafrost, releasing more greenhouse gases, and causing more warming (another positive feedback).
Hank: “…the current melting is just part of a normal cycle.”
This is NOT a “normal cycle”,
Arctic sea ice loss compared to IPCC modelshttp://www.carbonequity.info/images/seaice07.jpg
Hank: “We couldn’t stop it if we tried.”
Thanks to people like you, Nathan, Kansas, Max, et al, you may be right.
The delay that you have helped cause may allow natural positive feedbacks to become so strong that humans will be unable to stop the process.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
Cosmos,
Well it is settled then.
Since your own doomsday declarations say it is too late, well why bother then?
LOL
From that old song “Leave some blue up above us” I don’t know the artist.
“We all should feel a little bit guilty.
When we look into the eyes of our kids.”
“Since your own doomsday declarations say it is too late, well why bother then?
LOL”
Posted by: Nathan
1) Nathan does not understand the word “may”.
“… MAY allow natural positive feedbacks to become so strong that humans will be unable to stop the process.
2) Reductions of human emissions will STILL help decrease the amount of future warming.
Cosmos,
Were you not pointing out the absurdity of the word “May” the other day?
Seems like you are more concerend with your scare tactics than science.
The letter is up to $48,500.00
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
Nathan,
The scientists did not project the rapid ice loss.
Arctic sea ice loss compared to IPCC modelshttp://www.carbonequity.info/images/seaice07.jpg
Reality (the fast warming) is scary.
Well,
If the models were wrong about that, what else were they wrong about?
I thought this was a proven fact. Now you are talking about flawed models.
So which is it cosmos?
Are we talking about proven science or models which are flawed?
Rox, nuclear proliferation, have to disagree with you on that.
Seems you are all for it.
Hypocracy of America? I might agree had the US used it’s nuclear might to take over the rest of the world.
Selfish, yup. Nothing wrong with protecting #1, and protecting others by the way. (NATO, SEATO, and others)
Do you need to be reminded of US efforts in WWI and WWII in helping our allies? Do you need to be reminded of what kept Western Europe free at a time when the Soviets could easily have blitzkreiged the whole continent in a matter of weeks?
And blaming the US for disguising it’s inventory of weapons? Why should we put all of our cards face up on the table, when we know others if given the chance, would take us out in a heartbeat?
America is not the evil empire you make it out to be.
Rox, you American?
Max,
Good post max.
Nathan,
The sea ice models underestimated how quickly the ice loss would happen.
If you can study that graph, and say something like “oh well…”, then I’ll just say, okay…
Being a good American doesnt always mean agreeing with Max or Nathan… Hang in there Rox!!
Can you see 1 billion Chinese still under the rule of Imperialist Japan?
1/2 billion in SE Asia, Philliphines, SW Pacific under Imperialist Japan?
370 million in Europe under the Nazi flag?
400 million Russians under the Nazi flag?
Had the US not jumped in to defend these parts of the world, that’s what you would see today. Nearly half the world’s population under Nazi/Japanese rule.
And had nuclear proliferation happened a few years sooner, there would be NO STOPPING THEM!
Can people NOT SEE that’s why we have to stop nuclear proliferation today?
From my sweet Polish Daughter in Law: (the last line is somewhat prophetic) enjoy
Polish kids vs. American kids
American kids: Move out when they’re 18 with the full support of their parents.
Polish kids: Move out when they’re 28, having saved enough money for a house, and are two weeks away from getting married….unless there’s room in the basement for the newlyweds.
American kids: When their Mom visits them, she brings a Bundt cake, and you sip coffee and chat.
Polish kids: When their Mom visits them, she brings 3 days worth of
food, begins to tidy up, dust, do the laundry, and rearrange the
furniture.
American kids: Their dads always call before they come over to visit them, and it’s usually only on special occasions.
Polish kids: Are not at all fazed when their dads show up, unannounced, on a Saturday morning at 8:00, and starts painting the window frames or mowing the lawn.
American kids: Always pay retail, and look in the Yellow Pages when they need to have something done.
Polish kids: Call their dad or uncle, and ask for another dad’s or uncle’s phone number to get it done…cash deal. Know what I mean??
American kids: Will come over for cake and coffee, and get only cake and coffee. No more.
Polish kids: Will come over and get cabbage rolls, pierogi, roast
chicken , salad, bread, fruit, cheesecake a few before, during and after dinner drinks.
American kids: Will greet you with “Hello” or “Hi”.
Polish kids: Will give you a big hug, a kiss on your cheek, and a pat on your back.
American kids: Call your parents Mr. and Mrs.
Polish kids: Call your parents Mom and Dad.
American kids: Have never seen you cry.
Polish kids: Cry with you.
American kids: Borrow your stuff for a few days and then return it.
Polish kids: Keep your stuff so long, they forget it’s yours.
American kids: Will eat at your dinner table and leave.
Polish kids: Will spend hours there, talking, laughing, and just being together.
American kids: Know few things about you.
Polish kids: Could write a book with direct quotes from you.
American kids: Eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on soft mushy
white bread.
Polish kids: Eat kielbasa sandwiches with dill pickles on rye bread.
American kids: Will leave you behind if that’s what the crowd is doing.
Polish kids: Will kick the whole crowds’ ass who left you behind.
American kids: Are for a while.
Polish kids: Are for life.
American kids: Think that being Polish is cool.
Polish kids: Know that being Polish is cool.
American kids: Will ignore this.
Polish kids: Will forward it.
the earth is warming, no doubt. The question is; what will we do as inhabitants to help minimize the effects of warming. It makes no difference what the primary cause or how much we humans have or have not contributed to warming the real question is what are we going to do about it
Bill,
There are lots of things to take into account.
What can we do to minimize those effects and is it worth it?
Are the effects bad? Will they stop? Are they part of a natural cycle?
You assume the worst and expect that anything we do will be better than nothing.
I don’t.
If Japan and Russia could occupy those kind of numbers, we’d better not mess with them, we’re struggling with a pop. of 20 mil.!
A man walks up to the clerk an asks what aisle the Polish sausage is on.
The Clerk asks, “Are you Polish?”
The man is insulted, “Why do you ask? If I had asked for German sausage would you think I was German?”
“No” The clerk said.
“If I asked for Chop Suey would you think I’m Chinese?”
“No” The clerk said.
“If I asked for spaghetti would you think I’m Italian?”
“No” The clerk said.
“Well then why do you think I’m Polish just because I asked you for Polish sausage?”
Because you’re in Home Depot!
nathan, for a person who doesn’t know me you sure make assumptions that are not correct. I did not say anything about assuming the worst I said it very plain “what are we going to do about it” I think that bantering on about it is or isn’t warming is not productive. I think we should discuss the situation & brain storm ways that humans could help minimize effects, we may not be able to do very much at all, but it should be discussed. This isn’t the first time the earth warmed but I haven’t seen very much scientific data on the effects of past warming.
Max, Max, Max,
No, I’m not for nuclear proliferation, and I sure don’t know where I said that. I’m also not insane, and I’m as American as you are. I do not think the U.S. is some evil empire, out to destroy the world. Rule the world, at times, maybe. :)
BUT…everybody wants to arms themselves against the evil nuclear weapon owning countries…with (wait for it) nuclear weapons. A monster has been created. I think that’s a lesson were learned really well after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Let’s just say I’m anti-nuclear weaopns. Period. For anybody. Because what we have created is insanity. If I lived in a country that didn’t have nuclear weapons, I’d probably want a few too, just so I could say, “Hey, lookee here! I’ve got what you’ve got! You wanna do something about it?”
It’s too tempting. But I know there’s nothing that can be done about it. As long as some countries have nuclear weapons, all countries will want to have them eventually. For defense, of course.
Max (and Nathan, too, since he weighed in on it),
This is my opinion, whether you consider it right or wrong, crazy or sane. Am I going to do something about it? No. What could I do? Well, prayer might be in order, but that’s about it.
It’s wrong, but it’s too late to go back in time and correct, even if we wanted to.
STUART, Fla. – This South Florida community some 90 miles north of Miami is outraged after a suspected illegal alien allegedly raped a puppy.
The man, who initially told police his name was Junio Trenta but is believed to be Enrique Garcia, was taken into custody after Martin County Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to a possible animal in distress.
When they arrived, officers “saw Garcia sexually assaulting a 28-pound, 14- to 16-week-old dog of mixed breed,” according to the sheriffs office.
Upon being seen, the Mexican transient said, “It’s my dog,” and, “What’s the problem?”
The arrest affidavit indicates the male dog ran and hid behind the deputies.
Garcia then talked with detectives and admitted only to having the dog in his lap.
He’s now charged with sexual bestiality, animal cruelty, possession of drug paraphernalia, giving a false name and exposure of sexual organs. His bond is $13,000.
The dog, a 4-month-old Argentine Dogo, is reportedly being cared for by the Humane Society of the Treasure Coast.
“He’s already been evaluated by the vet, and the vet says he’s OK and will recover from whatever happened,” Humane Society spokeswoman Roberta Synal told the Stuart News. “If he’s put in a good foster home, he’s going to get lots of love and training.”
U.S. agents say they’ve broken up a multi-state prostitution ring operated by and for illegal aliens.
According to court documents, brothels located in Travis County, Texas, and Oklahoma City, used women from Mexico as well as Central and South American countries to sell sexual acts for fellow unlawful immigrants.
The alleged ringleader, 34-year-old Juan Balderas-Orosco, was ordered held without bail pending a hearing.
“The organization recruits females … and arranges for them to be smuggled into the United States. The aliens are held in indentured servitude and forced into prostitution,” an arrest affidavit said, according to the Austin American-Statesman.
The paper says two of the women were from Honduras, and “when one arrived in town in June, a man at the house showed her a .38-caliber revolver and told her that she couldn’t leave, she told federal agents. A week later, the man in charge took the money the two had earned and said they could not have any of it until they worked a week at a brothel in Oklahoma City.”
A federal affidavit indicates once there, another man flashed a gun and told the women he “did not want any trouble from them or ‘they could disappear very easily.’”
In 2002, authorities raided a house, which they later alleged was a brothel run by Balderas. Two Mexican men and two women, one from Colombia and the other from the Dominican Republic were arrested. The women said they had been transported among locations in several states and forced to perform sex acts for money.
Documents state that in June 2005, agents “placed a covert pole camera to allow continued surveillance on the brothel.”
A brothel in Dallas was raided the same day, and Balderas was arrested after leaving an Oklahoma City brothel.
As WND reported in May, a researcher estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each.
Sort and Deport now !!
They have lots of company in the USA. And how many perverts are American citizens?
The very first baby boomer files for SS.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071015/ap_on_go_ot/boomer_social_security
And soon our entitlement society will come to an end.
“And soon our entitlement society will come to an end.”
Ahh… how true, soon your society will be owned by China and to a lesser degree my country.
“And soon our entitlement society will come to an end.”
Ahh… how true, soon your society will be owned by China and to a lesser degree my country.
“What can we do to minimize those effects and is it worth it?”
Posted by: Nathan | October 15, 2007 at 07:55 PM
Cut greenhouse gas emissions. Higher energy efficiency is much cheaper than $86 per bbl oil, and it’s much cheaper than dealing with higher sea levels, more extreme storms, heat waves, etc.
(Despite what the fossil-energy funded AGW deniers claim) :)
Nathan: “Are the effects bad?”
YES, see above. And irreversible, unless the future finds a way to quickly reduce CO2 and other GHG levels.
The optimal climate for humans is the one we’ve adapted to during our civilization.
Nathan: “Will they stop?”
NO. The oceans cause a thermal inertia (delay) for the CURRENT GHG levels. And higher GHG levels will cause even more warming.
Nathan: “Are they part of a natural cycle?”
NO. The recent observed warming is mostly human-caused.
Nathan: “You assume the worst and expect that anything we do will be better than nothing.
I don’t.”
Nathan denies all of the credible peer-reviewed climate science.
It seems that Nathan wants to gamble the future of humans on Earth, because of his ignorance, and preference for the “status quo”.
Reminds me of an old cartoon…
Reagan and Gorbachev in a closed small room… up to their chests in gasoline… Gorbachev has two matches… Reagan has one… Reagan complains that it isnt fair… cause he only has one!!
Well, another early day tomorrow… So….
Good Night; Good Luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
Cosmos,
For someone who concerns yourself so much when people lie about you or say things about you which are not true, you sure can dish it out yourself.
Kansas was right.
Don’t cry about it when it happens to you when you are just as guilty of doing it yourself.
Whether Global Warming is or is not caused by human interaction, we need a LOT of work to just clean up the environment…
To continually deny that we can do something about the environment is just plain nonsense…
It HAS been working, in many places… in many different ways!!
And I think we can ALL do things that will help our environment in small ways, maybe… but yet in some way, we can make a difference!!
Nathan
If you can show that cosmos has lied, I invite you to do so.
LIEIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
It seems that Nathan wants to gamble the future of humans on Earth, because of his ignorance, and preference for the “status quo”.
Well
That’s not a lie Nathan. That’s an observation.
One with which I would say I agree.
Try again?
Nathan,
Do you not understand, “It SEEMS that Nathan wants…”
What lie(s) about you did I post?
“I beleive the HUNDREDS of credible peer reviewed scientists who do not believe the so called ‘concensus’”
Posted by: Nathan | September 15, 2007 at 03:03 PM
Oh I see….
I like this new game!
IT SEEMS as if Cosmos is the Theodore John Kaczynski of the WE Blog.
IT SEEMS as if JR is a bed wetting little cry baby.
“Kansas was right.
Don’t cry about it when it happens to you when you are just as guilty of doing it yourself.”
Posted by: Nathan | October 15, 2007 at 10:45 PM
Nathan… Kansas’ lies about me last night were DELETED. Look at top of this thread, and in previous “open”.
If only Kansas would have added the words ‘it seems’ in front of what he said all would be better.
Nathan,
Anytime you want to post your imaginary list of “HUNDREDS of credible peer reviewed scientists”, please feel free to do so. :)
A little defensive there Nathan.
You do a lot of “it seems” sorta stuff yourself.
Why so reactionary?
I dont give into demands of someone who SEEMS to be a blog terrorist and psychopath.
JR,
Why do you beat your son?
Beat my son?
Why on Earth would you say such a thing?
I THINK Nathan is being trolled or is outts sorts or something. Either way I want no part of it.
So you do understand what a loaded question is?
Very good JR.
Now stop using them.
Yeah well
I didn’t ask any loaded questions.
I certainly did not suggest anything like that last from you.
Oh…
Well I didn’t ask you any loaded questions either then. :/
I didn’t suggest anything either.
I asked you a question.
Whats wrong?
So JR,
When did you stop watching gay porn?
This whole line seems wrong you ask me.
You are tossing around some pretty heavy words.
psychopath, terrorist
The thing about my son.
Look, cosmos didn’t lie. His observation was just that. An observation.
It’s just not the you I’m used to. Post something only you and I would know. I don’t want to feed any trolls. That’s not a shot. I’m just a little floored.
The videos I saw at that Website Nathan pointed out had lots of credible, peer-reviewed Scientists.
Don’t bother Nathan, look at those 11 steps on that Website you posted earlier today. It fits cosmos perfectly.
http://glowarmers.blogspot.com/2007/09/11-ways-to-deal-with-glowarmers.html
You won’t convince him of anything and there is no need to, let him worship his climate gods.
Nathan,
your past posts suggest that you believe non-peer reviewed skeptics, like Steven Milloy, Avery, and Singer.
You DO seem to “deny” the peer-reviewed climate science, such as reported at,
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
If my impressions are wrong, then please say so.
Or you can AVOID your claim that I lied about you, and instead make stupid attacks on J R.
Rapture Nathan? I really wish that’d happen soon.
See what I mean Nathan?
Go to the Website and compare what cosmos just wrote.
It fits him perfectly.
Who is attacking JR?
I am asking him questions.
As soon as he figures out what a loaded question is I will stop.
JR has not asked any loaded questions… Neither has Nathan… Nathan’s questions are inflammatory…
Let me point it out for you JR
“Why so reactionary?”
Is a loaded question.
It presumes that I am being reactionary. I am immediately put on the defensive of having to say why I am not reactionary.
Then you will ask me why I am being so defensive…
So, instead, I figured I would show you the absurdity of a loaded question.
J R is just pushing your buttons Nathan, he’s a 40+ year old with no life and has nothing better to do than be mean-spirited.
“The videos I saw at that Website Nathan pointed out had lots of credible, peer-reviewed Scientists.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 15, 2007 at 11:32 PM
The ‘Great Global Warming Swindle’ movie is non-scientific garbage.
Great (and LOL FUNNY) videos of ABC Australia’s Tony Jones debunking Martin Durkin, producer of ‘Swindle’.
Global Warming Swindle Interview Pt1 8:43http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjGynF4qkE
Global Warming Swindle Interview Pt2 9:57http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDsc9IaSQ8
also,http://www.desmogblog.com/a-great-global-warming-swindle-library
The last sentence is accurate… and LOL funny
‘Move to block emissions ’swindle’ DVD’http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2064925,00.html
“Sir John Houghton, former head of the Met Office, and Bob May, former president of the Royal Society, are among 37 experts who have called for the DVD to be heavily edited or removed from sale. The film, the Great Global Warming Swindle, was first shown on March 8, and was criticised by scientists as distorted and misleading….Dr Allen said: “What Martin Durkin and Channel 4 don’t understand is the way science works. Science is about the arguments, not the people who make them.”…The letter was coordinated by Bob Ward, a former press officer with the Royal Society. He said: “This isn’t about censorship, it’s a question of quality control.
We have no objection to the DVD being distributed if all the errors are corrected, but if they correct all the errors then the whole premise of the program will fall to pieces.” “
Well, back to bed for me… just needed a glass of juice… Nite all!!
I am confused here. I’m just gonna watch awhile. I’ve known Nathan here a long time and this….this is not right.
JR,
Confused?
I am just tired of being asked loaded questions by you.
Just to have you then turn around and ask me why I am being defensive.
Have you figured out what a loaded question is yet?
Read the front page of the Web cosmos.
It is a mirror image of your methods cosmos – which I might add are repulsive and expected of someone with no scientific training that does not understand that one of the basic tenants of studying Science is observation before drawing conclusions.
Cosmos,
Saying I “seem” ignorant and want to gamble the future of humans has nothing to do with anything I have said.
What were the words Chas used?
Oh yeah, inflammatory.
IT SEEMS as if you are more interested in promoting your fervent religious belief in man made Global warming than having an honest discussion about it.
A Final Thought >>>>
A holy man was having a chat with the Lord one day and said, ‘Lord, I would like to know what Heaven and Hell are like.’
The Lord led the holy man to two doors.
He opened one of the doors and the holy man looked in. In the middle of the room was a large round table. In the middle of the table was a large pot of stew, which smelled delicious and made the holy man’s mouth water.
The people sitting around the table were thin and sickly. They appeared to be famished. They were holding spoons with very long handles that were strapped to their arms and each found it possible to reach into the pot of stew and take a spoonful.
But because the handle was longer than their arms, they could not get the spoons back into their mouths.
The holy man shuddered at the sight of their misery and suffering.
The Lord said, ‘You have seen Hell.’
They went to the next room and opened the door. It was exactly the same as the first one. There was the large round table with the large pot of stew which made the holy man’s mouth water. The people were equipped with the same long-handled spoons, but here the people were well nourished and plump, laughing and talking. The holy man said,’I don’t understand.’
It is simple,’ said the Lord. ‘It requires but one skill. You see, they have learned to feed each other. The greedy think only of themselves.’
This article describes what cosmos does when discussing Global Warming. It was written by someone else, but it’s like they have witnessed first hand what cosmos writes here. Check it out, it fits him perfectly in every way.
”
Definition: Glowarmer – those with an almost religious belief that humans are the cause of global warming. They also believe that we are headed for certain disaster unless we institute draconian measures to combat global warming.
One of the first things you need to realize is they will always call you a liar. It does not matter how many studies you present or what evidence you present, to them you are always lying. The way in which to counter this is to challenge them to prove that you are lying.
You also must realize that they will expect you to answer any and all questions asked of you, but they will not answer any questions you have for them. This has been proven time and time again that they have a double standard when it comes to answering serious questions.
No matter how many times you answer a question, glowarmers will always claim that you didn’t answer. They do this in an attempt to get under your skin. Don’t make the mistake of responding to this sort of nonsense more then once. Another possibility why they do this is because you didn’t give them the answer they wanted.
Glowarmers will always want you to qualify your statements and then of course call you a liar (see item 1) Remember they are not interested in hearing facts that contradict their viewpoint.
Glowarmers will always try to make the conversation about your credibility. They don’t want anyone hearing anything that contradicts their fanatical beliefs. Furthermore, they cannot back their beliefs with any solid scientific studies. Instead they will always take the easy way out. It is always easier to challenge the messenger then it is to disprove the message. Don’t ever fall into this trap.
When challenged on a statement they make, glowarmers will always claim they didn’t make the statement or that they were quoting from what some one else has said. Make sure you always have a record of exactly what they said and when they said it (this applies to online chat forums) Keep challenging them. First make your point and then at the end ask them if they are ever going to prove that what they said is true. Don’t respond to anything else they have said until they qualify their statement.
Glowarmers are bullies. They will always try to get you to respond with anger, thus making you look foolish. Don’t fall into that trap. If you don’t respond in anger, it make glowarmers crazy and they usually will respond to your lack of response with anger and come out looking foolish themselves.
Always let glowarmers keep talking. The more they talk the more ridiculous they seem.
Always know exactly what scientist said what and the date and publication or speech it first was said in. Glowarmers will try to challenge your credibility because of a possible faulty memory as to where the information comes from.
No matter how many awards a scientist has received, glowarmers think they are the final judge as to who is a “legitimate” and “credible” scientist. According to glowarmers, any scientist who dares challenge the notion that humans are the cause of climate change are not credible.Always remember, the information you are presenting is not geared toward a glowarmer. It is geared toward those people who haven’t decided or have all ready decided that climate change is natural but haven’t heard much of the information you have.”
Posted by Matthew Sann http://glowarmers.blogspot.com/2007/09/11-ways-to-deal-with-glowarmers.html
Kansas,
Did you see the caveat?
As long as you add the words “It Seems” in front of the things you say about cosmos they are not lies!
Yah Nathan, cosmos likes playing games like that.
Lately, when I ignore him, he tries to get a conservation going by going into threads and posting off topic ad hominem so he can satisfy his ego.
Such dweebs are best left on ignore.
“Saying I “seem” ignorant and want to gamble the future of humans has nothing to do with anything I have said.”
Posted by: Nathan | October 15, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Okay, fair enough. Describe ALL of the impacts of human-caused global warming on the future of humans on Earth.
Or, you can just repost your 7:55 Pm post,
“Are the effects bad?”
And your past posts DO suggest that you believe non-peer reviewed skeptics, like Steven Milloy, Avery, and Singer.
You DO seem to “deny” the peer-reviewed climate science, such as reported at,
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
If my impressions are wrong, then please say so.
You called me a liar. So prove it.
I’m gonna guess that “kansas” is trolling Nathan.
That is the most sense I can make of this.
And I’m not going to feed it.
I’m gonna guess that “kansas” is trolling Nathan.
That is the most sense I can make of this.
And I’m not going to feed it.
Posted by: J R | October 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM
You would be guessing wrong.
Of course you know what the standard bet is J R. Put your money where your big mouth is.
JR,
I am not being trolled by Kansas.
Proof: The last time I seen you was at the Sunflower Cluster Dog Show at the coliseum.
Now, do you understand what a loaded question is or not?
“Okay, fair enough. Describe ALL of the impacts of human-caused global warming on the future of humans on Earth.”Posted by: cosmos | October 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM
LMAO!
What a ridiculous statement.
No one wonder no one wants to talk to cosmos.
Ok so it is you Nathan.
Let the record show I afforded you the courtesy of doubting you would mine such depths.
I asked why you were so reactionary.
Is that the loaded question you mean? It wasn’t loaded. You just did not seem yourself as I hope I have shown you I perceived.
“No matter how many times you answer a question, glowarmers will always claim that you didn’t answer. They do this in an attempt to get under your skin.”===========================Most interesting definition…. Most interetsing indeed!!
Nathan,
Perhaps you don’t understand grammar, but putting ” “It Seems” in front of the things” is saying that it’s NOT certain.
Your failure to correct me “seems” to prove that my 10:38 PM post was accurate.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread–12.html#comment-86529918
Nathan… again, “Are the [future] effects bad?”
Oh and prove cosmos a liar while you are at it.
Not nice the tac you took tonight Nathan.
Failure to respond to a claim doesn’t do anything to further the validity of the claim.
Perhaps you need to brush up on your logic Cosmos.
Besides, I did respond to your claim.
Just because you don’t like the response doesn’t mean I didn’t respond.
It is rather simple, one more time, real slow:
“It seems that Nathan wants to gamble the future of humans”
Where have I ever said that I want to gamble the future of humans or indicated such?
“on Earth, because of his ignorance,”
There you called me ignorant. How am I ignorant?
“and preference for the “status quo”.”
Perhaps the only thing even somewhat truthful about your comment.
I don’t think we need to do anything to stop Global Warming because
1. I don’t think it is a problem 2. I don’t think man is causing it.
3. I don’t think man could stop it if we wanted to.4. I don’t think the measures proposed will do anything significant enough anyway.
My positions are not based in ignorance. If you would care to do anything besides post links perhaps we could have a discussion about it.
But, thee are many things that we have done, and can do, to improve the quality of our environment… I already mentioned that upthread.
Cosmos is still not a liar Nathan.
And for whatever reason, you have said some pretty awful things tonight.
Addressing global warming proactively can only be good for America.
JR,
If you still don’t get what I was doing, I don’t think you ever will.
JR,
You are ignorant.
Ignorance = not knowing/ understanding that 2 + 2 = 4
Supidity = Knowing that 2 + 2 = 4, but continuing to deny it.
If you would care to do anything besides post links perhaps we could have a discussion about it.
Posted by: Nathan | October 16, 2007 at 12:18 AM
He won’t do it, believe me I tried.
The simple reason is that cosmos is not a Scientist. He merely parrots what his guide to combating skeptic guidelines state. I know I’ve seen the list, it’s posted on a Website. I’ll see if I can find it again and post it.
JR,
You want to gamble our future by tanking the economy.
Here it is Nathan, cosmos handbook of talking points. Without it, he would be sunk.
http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics
Nathan,
Thank you for your 12:18 AM post, which proves that my points in my 10:38 PM, and later posts were accurate.
Well Nathan,
I don’t call people liars because they disagree with me.
I don’t post that people beat their kids in order to make a point.
I don’t insinuate that someone who disagrees with me watches porn.
Yeah you don’t care. But you lost a lot of points with me tonight. And here I was thinking you were being trolled and giving you benefit of the doubt.
I’ll not make that mistake again.
Most interesting… ALL of those talking points are what have been used on this Blog to counter everything Cosmos says and posts… Amazing!!
Where did I ever say you beat your kid or wathced gay porn?
Where?
I never said any such thing.
J R is acting holier than thou – after he made the statement about your dad several times yesterday.
Nathan, your insinuations were quite plain… sorry!! That wasnt very nice… even for this Blog!
It SEEMS that Chas nor J R are understanding the context. :)
Obviously no one has heard of showing the absurdity of something by being just as absurd…
You won tonight cosmos. You won by showing the depths the right will go to to discredit you and anyone else they disagree with.
Shame on you Nathan. I hope you learn to better treat your “enemies” (me). Cause I don’t
think you can trust your friends.(”kansas”)
Good night.
JR,
Why do you beat your son?
Posted by: Nathan | October 15, 2007 at 11:15 PM
==========================
So JR,
When did you stop watching gay porn?
Posted by: Nathan | October 15, 2007 at 11:26 PM
=========================
Nathan — Those are NOT loaded questions… Those are accusatory and inflammatory questions… I would highly suggest you refer to some sort of debate book and check out the definition of a loaded question…
Thank you for your 12:18 AM post, which proves that my points in my 10:38 PM, and later posts were accurate.
Posted by: cosmos | October 16, 2007 at 12:28 AM
It SEEMS that cosmos has posted yet another false statement.
Oh,and those questions are not semantics either… Just plain irritating…
I think I know exactly what I am talking about. Perhaps some of you might look at what a loaded question is before you say I don’t know.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html
Exposition:
A “loaded question”, like a loaded gun, is a dangerous thing. A loaded question is a question with a false or questionable presupposition, and it is “loaded” with that presumption. The question “Have you stopped beating your wife?” presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.
GO ROCKIES!!!! On to the World Series!!! WTG Rockies!!!
It SEEMS that Chas good night entry was a false entry.
It SEEMS that Chas does this every night.
It SEEMS that Chas does not understand the meaning of leaving a blog when he says good night.
It SEEMS that Kansas did not read what was stated… I had to get out of bed, to get some juice… Therefore, it doesnt SEEM anything….
“And soon our entitlement society will come to an end.”
Try reading the article before commenting, Nathan.
Now, Nathan… That link you provided talks about Fallacy’s used to provoke argument/debate…
NOTE >>>>
Douglas Walton, “The Fallacy of Many Questions: On the Notions of Complexity, Loadedness and Unfair Entrapment in Interrogative Theory”
This paper in PDF format is not as weighty as its title, and it contains some nice examples and interesting history of the “fallacy.”
“IT SEEMS as if Cosmos is the Theodore John Kaczynski of the WE Blog.
IT SEEMS as if JR is a bed wetting little cry baby.”
Posted by: Nathan | October 15, 2007 at 11:08 PM
“IT SEEMS as if JR watches gay porn while beating his son.
He has yet to deny it…”
Posted by: Nathan | October 16, 2007 at 12:29 AM
Nathan,
You still don’t understand “seems” ???
I posted what Nathan posted, in the past, that supported my “seems” claims about him.
NOW Nathan, post what I, and J R posted that supports your above “seems” posts.
Nathan: Why do you beat your son?
That is neither a loaded question, nor is it a fallacious argument… It is, rather, accusatory…
As for the rest, just more of the same….
NOW, I am outta here… the juice did its job!! Now I can sleep…
Rox,
I did read the article.
“Last week, Bush’s budget director called the growth in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid a “fiscal train wreck.” The three entitlement programs make up nearly half of all federal spending, a share that is expected to grow.”
I truely think that our societies mentality of being entitled to these things and even more like National Health care now is going to catch up to us.
Loaded question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_many_questions
http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/loaded.html
http://info-pollution.com/complex.htm
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/fallacies.html
Do yourself a favor and try to actually look something up. A google search in less than a minute provided the following.
Nathan,
I’m very impressed by your skill at running away like a coward, from answering questions about your opinions, and claims.
Where did you learn that tactic? The Marine Corps?
Nathan,
Why did you go out AWOL??
LOL