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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Oct. 13, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Re the U.K.’s court case about Gore’s AIT documentary,
‘An ‘error’ is not the same thing as an error’http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/10/an_error_is_not_the_same_thing.php
“So contrary to all the reporters’ claims Burton did not find that there were 9 scientific errors in AIT, but that there were nine points that might be errors or where differing views should be presented for balance.”
And Bob Carter was involved in the U.K. court case,http://timlambert.org/category/science/bobcarter/
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1557 “Carter “not a credible source” on climate change
In response to claims made by Carter that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change uncovered no evidence that global warming was caused by human activity, a former CSIRO climate scientist stated that Carter was not a credible source on climate change and that “if he [Carter] has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process.” “
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/
So is there a scorecard? Some of the Neoconservatives are wearing signs that tell you their alignments.The members list at the PNAC, their words that go beyond simply mimicking the stance. Such as Horriwitz that reveals the socialist inspired rhetoric, but it can get confusing as to whom actually is a card carrying Neocons and who is simply mindlessly repeating a party line?
True Neoconservatives are not Republicans, they do not believe in the core of the party and follow a separate ideology. That often sounds more the thoughts of an Orwellian world then a reality based thought process. “It is individual freedoms that have cause the decay of this nation and by giving the masses a common enemy to hate it pulls the masses more to the center“. This worked well before the fall of the Soviets, aided by real and made up threats posed by them. But since the fall of Soviet Russia, they lack that threat. But then the raise of a little effective Islamic terror element that did not have wide support throughout the Middle East. Was made to order and had the elements the Neocons needed, in real ability to bring the nation down like the Soviets but still enough to cause a mass concern. That could be exaggerated and build upon to give the distraction of the masses.
It might be a simple solution to simple ouster the known members of this ideology, but they have been at it since the early fifties. Afflicting the nation and spreading like a virus through the power brokers, of both parties. Yes they are associated with the Republican party but their roots are from the Democratic party and some still today claim party affiliation to the Democrats such as Richard Peale. Adding to the problem is that there are some who claim to be Neocons yet do not know their true Faustian deal they have made.
I hope Roger Scholfield goes bankrupt, as the bad karma for those popup ads has to be accumulating. I would sooner buy a car from the Stevens.
I dilike the pop-up ads by Scholfield Autos. I don’t know if I’m more upset with Scholfield for running the annoying pop-ups, or angry as the Wichita Eagle’s advertising manager for selling the abnoxious form of advertising.
Come on guys, clean up your act!
Dave,There are so many ways to control Pop-ups. Try switching your browser to Firefox. Google toolbar also has a good pop-up blocker.
The bribery charges against Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.), who was videotaped accepting $100,000 in cash, should be dismissed because such an act is technically closer to influence-peddling, defense argued yesterday in an Alexandria courtroom.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/12/AR2007101202217.html?hpid=sec-politics
Oh, well in that case everything is ok (NOT).
Jefferson needs to go to jail.
Retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, who led U.S. forces in Iraq for a year after the March 2003 invasion, accused the Bush administration yesterday of going to war with a “catastrophically flawed” plan and said the United States is “living a nightmare with no end in sight.”
Sanchez also bluntly criticized the current troop increase in Iraq, describing it as “a desperate attempt by the administration that has not accepted the political and economic realities of this war.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/12/AR2007101202459.html?hpid=topnews
So, the dems in congress don’t have the guts to cut the funding for the war, so they decide to go after trying to turn our allies against us.
Can someone please tell me where Rush was wrong as to this so called referendum, declaration, whatever, against Turkey, oops sorry, the Ottoman Empire. Did the US congress make the same declaration two times since 1975?
I mean hey, this might cause the Turks to close their borders and stop shipment of men and supplies to Iraq, great idea. Way to be for the troops.
In a sweeping indictment of the four-year effort in Iraq, the former top American commander called the Bush administration’s handling of the war incompetent and warned that the United States was “living a nightmare with no end in sight.”
In one of his first major public speeches since leaving the Army in late 2006, retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez blamed the administration for a “catastrophically flawed, unrealistically optimistic war plan” and denounced the current “surge” strategy as a “desperate” move that will not achieve long-term stability.
“After more than fours years of fighting, America continues its desperate struggle in Iraq without any concerted effort to devise a strategy that will achieve victory in that war-torn country or in the greater conflict against extremism,” Mr. Sanchez said, at a gathering here of military reporters and editors.
Read it all at:http://tinyurl.com/26nsj3
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Another “phony” soldier?
Gene,I’m somewhat mystified about this myself. Why the big rush to pass a referendum about something that happened almost 100 years ago?
Turkey is one of the few friends we have left in the Mideast. Why are we trying to stick our finger in their eye? What do we gain besides a few votes for a California congressman? The damage this will do to relations with Turkey isn’t worth the trouble. If it passes, Bush needs to use the veto.
I don’t belive Bush can veto a resolution.
The referendum is ill timed, Before our invasion Turnkey had 80 thousand troops posed at the boarder and at time within the boarder of Iraq itself. The constant problem of Kurdish terrorists committing acts then fleeing back into Iraq is at a boiling point.
No this was not a good idea at this time…. LOl I was watching McCain at a event and someone brought this whole referendum subject up, the MOve-on referendum and the other. Both house are being accused of doing nothing yet they take the time to do this admittly useless referenfums. Mc Cain had to admit it was a bit foolish of them.
I want the so-called “conservatives” to think about Turkey next time they complain about foreign aid. The only-est reason Turkey remains an ally of the United States is the billions upon billions of American dollars bestowed upon them.
As I write this, the Turks are massing troops at their border with the Kurdish region of nortern Iraq. The Turks’ Kurdish population and the Iraqi Kurds want to create their own nation and the Turks don’t want that to happen. Our Turkish “allies” are positioning themselves to attack the very section of Iraq which is meaningfully peaceful in the wake of George WMD Bush’s poop in the Iraqi sandbox.
Why would today’s Turkish government rebel against owning up to the war crimes of a long-ago Ottoman Empire? There’s plenty of evidence today’s Turks are all-too-eager to commit more genocidal crimes against the Kurds. The Armenian Genocide resolution merely serves as a reminder that Turkish nationalism is and always has been a threat to the Middle East. The NeoCons’ total ignorance of the dynamics of Middle East politics only exacerbated the problems.
The only reason Turkey is our “ally” is that we pay them billions to be our “friends.” If they prove too proud of their peoples’ past crimes against humanity, and pursue their obvious current efforts to quash the Kurds, perhaps the Turks aren’t worthy of being our “friends.”
“The referendum is ill timed…”
That it in a nutshell, WD.
Good post, MH.
And it’s a problem that Worst. President. Ever. hasn’t a clue how to deal with.
Especially now that the US has told the world it’s just fine and dandy to invade another country simply because YOU THINK they might attack you.
Turkey has a much stronger case for a “pre-emptive strike” against the Kurds than we did to go into Iraq . . .
Dave–
You can also bookmark the WEBlog so you go right to it instead of having to go to the Eagle homepage first.
But thanks for reminding us that we’re making money for The Eagle.
All the more reason they should clean this place up by hiring a moderator.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/us/politics/13voting.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Surprise, surprise . . . Florida electronic voting machines still screwing up
Gee, maybe if they weren’t programmed to make sure one candidate always “wins” they’d have better luck–
October 13, 2007Voting Machines Giving Florida New Headache
By ABBY GOODNOUGHMIAMI, Oct. 12 — It used to be that everyone wanted a Florida voting machine.
After the history-making presidential recount of 2000, Palm Beach County sold hundreds of its infamous Votomatic machines to memorabilia seekers, including a group of chiropractors in Arizona, the cable-news host Greta Van Susteren and the hotelier André Balazs. One machine ended up in the Smithsonian Institution. Dozens were transformed into pieces of contemporary art for an exhibition in New York.
But now that Florida is purging its precincts of 25,000 touch-screen voting machines — bought after the recount for up to $5,000 each, hailed as the way of the future but deemed failures after five or six years — no one is biting.
“I think we are going to have them on hand for a while,” said Arthur Anderson, the elections supervisor in Palm Beach County, which must jettison 4,900 touch-screen machines for which it paid $14.5 million in 2001 and still owes $4.8 million. “They are probably, for the most part, headed to the scrap pile.”
Across the nation, jurisdictions that experimented with touch-screen voting after 2000 are starting to scale back or abandon it based on a growing perception that the machines are unreliable and concern that they do not provide a paper trail in case questions arise. California will sharply scale back touch-screen voting next year after a review by the secretary of state found it was vulnerable to hackers.
Florida is the biggest state to reject touch screens so sweepingly, and its deadline for removing them, July 1, 2008, is the most imminent. For the 15 counties that must dump their expensive systems, buy new optical-scan machines and retrain thousands of poll workers, hurdles abound.
We already have passed Resolutions against Turkey for the Armenian Genocide. Actually we done it twice. Why repeat it? Because the left wants to piss of Turkey and hopes they will cease being an ally.
Why did the Clinton Administration refused to call the Rwanda Genocide a Genocide?
So this crappy ass resolution against Turkey has nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide. It’s a political ploy. There isn’t anybody left alive in Turkey that experienced the Armenian Genocide and that was from a previous government.
Turkey is the most modern, democratic, secular and tolerant Islamic county in the world.
You leftist are just sick!
The ironic thing about this is that the Young Turks who committed the Armenian Genocide was a bunch leftist.
A Leftist political revolutionary group is what committed Genocide.
Why is it that when ever there is a Genocide its at the hands of leftist?
Please tell me you were home schooled, Joe.
Leaving out the German and Italian facsists who in Joe-World were “leftists,” you still have
Somoza
Pinochet
Franco
The Japanese in Korea and Manchuria
Apartheid in South Africa
Slavery in the US
Opium wars in China
English in India
Israel and Palestine
oops, “fascists”
Now, the ten hottest years on record in the U.S., beginning with the hottest year, are: 1934, 1998, 1921, 2006, 1931, 1999, 1953, 1990, 1938 and 1939. Before the revision, that list read: 1998, 1934, 2006, 1921, 1931, 1999, 1953, 2001, 1990 and 1938. The re-ranking completely knocked 2001 off the top 10 list.
This U.S. temperature revision could cause problems for former Vice President Al Gore. Assisted by Hansen, Gore asserted in his global warming film “An Inconvenient Truth” that nine of the ten hottest years in U.S. history occurred since 1995.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2007/08/17/nasa_blocked_climate_change_blogger_from_data
Actually Joe, Turkey is becoming more Islamicized.
Germany owned up to the Holocost.
Japan owned up, quite belatedly, to the Rape of Nanking, and the forced prostitution-enslavement of women in Manchuria and Korea.
Switzerland admitted, belatedly, that it had received money, gold, jewels and other valuables from Germany, for “safekeeping”, that was proven to have been taken by the Nazis from Jews, and after WWII ended, the Swiss just quietly kept the property, without legal foundation, as the Swiss had no ownership right to it. Then it paid restitution.
The problem is if Turkey said, “The Armenian genocide happened, but that was under a different government three generations ago, under the stresses of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire” that would be acceptable. This wouldn’t constitute an apology, just an acknowledgement.
The problem is Turkey is denying it happened, just as Japan denied committing atrocities for sixty years, before acknowledging the truth.
Moreover, there are still a few elderly Armenian genocide survivors today, as well as many children of survivors. I don’t know if they ultimately hope for reparations, or just closure, but they deserve something.
The Arctic icepack shrank by an unprecedented amount this summer. Russia is pushing a territorial claim to an undersea zone, for exclusive oil and gas exploration and development rights off its shores. Canada is claiming territorial control of a potential Northwest Passage shipping corridor.
Shipping companies are keeping a close watch on matters, because a transarctic passage would substantially reduce Western Europe-East Asia transport distances, which would translate into not just less cost per transit, but faster turnarounds, and thus increased shipping capacity without having to build new ships.
“Assisted by Hansen, Gore asserted in his global warming film “An Inconvenient Truth” that nine of the ten hottest years in U.S. history occurred since 1995.”
Posted by: Joe Williams | October 13, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Joe, I know this is very complicated, but please try to understand — GLOBAL warming is about GLOBAL temperatures, not “U.S.” temperatures.
And townhall.com is not a credible source.
Gore’s AIT documentary was about GLOBAL temperatures.
Chapter 11 of DVD: “The ten hottest years on record have occurred in the last 14 years”.
Dr. Hansen said that the U.S. temperatures for 1934 and 1998 were a tie.http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abstracts/2001/Hansen_etal.html
“The Real Deal: Usufruct & the Gorilla”
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/realdeal.16aug20074.pdf
Re Anthony Watts, Steve McIntyre and U.S. surface stations,http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2007/09/deniers-rediscover-hockey-stick.html
“To be honest, this is starting to look like a great validation of GISTEMP.”
Harry Reids letter is at $25,400.00 on Ebay.
Cosmos! Care to commit the Nova story?
Wonder what Sanchez will name his book? When someone waits this long to release the ‘truth’ you can bet a book deal is looming. IMOHO
Joe Williams,
Human-made aerosols masking the global warming caused by human-added greenhouse gases? That’s old news.
“ksgrm” –
Why pull your punch when you’re making a cheap shot at General Ricardo Sanchez (ret.)?
You *know* you want to call him a “phony soldier,” just as all the rest of the Limbaugh-tomized Masses attack any military professional who’s dared question the brilliance of George WMD Bush and “The Big” Dick Cheney.
You people with all your “support the troops” false piety
You only support the village idiot of Crawford, Texas. Own up to it or stop bothering us with your petty sniping.
M H love your web site blog… Great stuff!!
As is often the case, the Rudepundit really does see further and more clearly than many of us. Here he is on Al Gore’s receiving the Nobel Prize.
Takeaway point: Al’s a bigger man than George will ever, ever be.
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10/12/2007
Gore v. Bush:
“Now that Al Gore has won the Nobel Peace Prize (along with the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), the clearest difference between the former vice president and the current president is placed into even starker relief. In essence, Gore has elevated the world as a whole above the United States as a single entity within it. George W. Bush has placed the United States above the world. And Gore’s non-electoral ascension, concomitant as it has been with Bush’s descent into the miasma of low poll numbers and a destroyed party and disgrace in the world, reveals just how untenable the Bush position is: a nation can no longer succeed in this world unless its ultimate goal is to be part of the world.
Or, to put it another way, Gore won. Again. When the books are written, in the long-term histories of this and other countries, Al Gore will be cherished and George Bush will be crushed like so much real manure on a fake ranch. Gore winning the Nobel Peace Prize does in Bush’s seeming obsession with his legacy. And that’s due in no small part to the smallness of Bush’s thinking compared to the expansiveness of Gore’s.
The Bush administration’s foreign policy can perhaps be described as interventionist isolationism. In other words, sure, sure, the United States’ll invade other countries and create open trade and other actions, but the ultimate goals of those efforts are not to improve the world or the lot of other people. If that’s a by-product of the action, then, sure, hell, at least that provides cover for what is, at root, self-interest and greed and the bald assertion of power to the end of propagating further self-interest and greed. Yeah, yeah, every nation’s foreign policy has a degree of self-interest. It has to. But for the United States under the Bush regime, it is the primary, if not the sole, consideration, no matter what lies they tell about planting seeds of democracy or some such nonsense.
Back in 2000, because we didn’t riot in the streets and shut down the country in the wake of the presidential election debacle, the nation essentially abandoned Al Gore. And while Al Gore didn’t totally abandon the nation, he turned his focus to the effort to demonstrate that real leadership need not emanate from the false mandate of a corrupted electoral process. In his crusade for action on climate change, Gore not only remade himself, but he remade the way in which people think about the world at large. Here was not just a cause confined to a specific continent (like African hunger) or a fight against a tyrant like Hitler to catalyze large portions of the population. Here was a way of thinking of the Earth as a whole, a way of seeing the interdependence of each country, of each population, and Gore has shifted a generation’s view of itself as part of something larger.
The great failure of the United States to lead on this issue, to be the place where we create solutions that benefit the globe, keep economies humming, and raise humanity up in a way that might, truly, do more for peace than all the pre-emptive wars ever, rests squarely on the shoulders of George W. Bush and his administration.
It’s the difference between a man who traveled and studied the world by choice in his life and a man who has to be dragged to different countries like a particularly incontinent dog is dragged out to the sidewalk on a snowy day.
Gore’s not gonna run. Give that up. To go from speaking out about melting icecaps to being asked what he thinks about, say, a flag-burning amendment would be a degradation of what he’s worked for the last six years. And had that statewide recount in Florida happened and Gore had become president, Republicans would have simply worked night and day trying to destroy him, and his causes would have been washed away in a tide of worthless investigations of Buddhist monk phone calls and worse. And let’s not even get into how Republicans would have exploded in berserk, ape-like rage over 9/11 if it had happened under a Gore presidency.
It’s not that we’re not worthy or that he’s too good for us or any of that hyperbolic nonsense. We got the president we deserved, twice, and we realized too late that we didn’t get the president we needed. As with so many things, our own temptation to that latent American selfishness has done us in.”
rudepundit.blogspot.com
Hey, I love your web site too.
Especially this one:
I have a friend who says he’s gonna quit his job to serve the Lord (but only in an advisory capacity).
“let’s not even get into how Republicans would have exploded in berserk, ape-like rage over 9/11 if it had happened under a Gore presidency.”
OMG, ain’t that the truth!
They’re still blaming Clinton. Imagine President Gore reading “My Pet Goat” in Florida.
Hell hath no fury . . .
Cap’N,
Indeed. Anything for a political advantage. Constitution, schmonstitution.
Here’s a Kansas-based story that’ll give you pause:
http://tinyurl.com/23gxl7
Here’s a small exerpt:
“For the sake of argument, a question was posed: If enough four-star generals had done that, would it have stopped the war?
“Yeah, we’d call it a coup d’etat,” Colonel Fontenot said. “Do you want to have a coup d’etat? You kind of have to decide what you want. Do you like the Constitution, or are you so upset about the Iraq war that you’re willing to dismiss the Constitution in just this one instance and hopefully things will be O.K.?”
Of course “Kansas” and “ksgrm” and “Econ101″ and others will dismiss these men as “phony soldiers.”
Oh, and “Chas.” and “CapnAmerica” –
Thanks for the kudos of my blog.
As you can tell, I let it fester for a while. (I forgot my password.)
I’ll try to update it more often now that I finally remembered it was there.
It’s kinda nice to have a venue where I can share stuff that isn’t always political.
“Beware of Flying Monkeys.”
Rudy “Mr. Law and Order” Giuliani may have lied about Police Comish Bernie Kerik’s mob ties
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/12/2007-10-12_prosecutors_expected_to_file_charges_aga-1.html
Bernard Kerik’s legal nightmare is about to get worse, with federal prosecutors expected to file charges against the former police commissioner that will likely include allegations of bribery, tax fraud and obstruction of justice, the Daily News has learned.
The indictment, expected next month, could prove to be an embarrassing obstacle for Kerik’s former mentor Rudy Giuliani, who is cruising at the top of the polls heading into the presidential primary gauntlet.
The bribery allegations against Kerik stem from a secret meeting at a bar in Tribeca, according to two sources familiar with the federal probe.
***** Giuliani has mob ties. Unbelievable. *****
If you believe (not that I do) one of the strands of the JFK Assassination Conspiracy Theory, the Mafia resented that they helped Mayor Daley of Chicago steal the election for JFK and Attorney General RFK started arresting mobsters.
There’s evidence emerging that perhaps, just maybe, native New Yorker Rudy Giulani’s success in prosecuting people such as John Gotti and his cohorts came from inside information from competing interests in organized crime. They were all from Rudy’s old neighborhood.
Rudy (this was a while back; a couple of wives ago) put Gotti in the slammer and it propelled Giuliani into the Mayor’s office of New York. Uhm, just after the *first* Islamist attack against the World Trade Center. And while he was Mayor, Rudy refused to coordinate communications between first-responders and (although he was advised against it) placed NYC’s Crisis Center in… the World Trade Center instead of in a less-likely target such as Brooklyn or Queens. There were city-paid rentals to be bestowed, you see, in the WTC.
Just how did that work out on 9/11, Rudy?
No one has ever been elected Mayor of NYC without embracing some element of corruption. That’s just the way it is in NYC.
No matter how much you hate Hillary Clinton, her closet has been cleared of just about every imaginable skeleton. Just wait ’til we learn about Rudy.
Romney (who believes Jesus was an American) and McCain (who believes — today anyway — that America hasn’t killed enough brown people in the MidEast) and Huckabee (who believes America really craves another Arkansan from Hope) and Brownback (who believes every sperm is sacred) and Fredrick of Hollywood (who believes the Presidency might be a juicy role) will work hard to reveal the shortcomings of Rudy (”Honk if I’ve Married You”) Giuliani.
I, for one, would put any of the Democratic candidates up against any of the Republic Party’s hopefuls.
As George WMD Bush said, “Bring ‘em on!”
What could possibly go wrong?
I’m sure the Rush crowd will write this off as ’sour grapes’, or call the General a ‘phoney soldier’.Worst President in History.Leadership dooms Iraq strategy: ex-commander By Randall Mikkelsen
Sat Oct 13, 1:18 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A “catastrophic failure” in the Bush administration’s leadership of the Iraq war has mired the United States in a nightmarish conflict with no clear way out, the former top U.S. commander in Iraq said on Friday.
ADVERTISEMENTThe blistering assessment by retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez was one of the harshest yet by a top military leader involved in the war.
“There has been a glaring, unfortunate display of incompetent strategic leadership within our national leaders,” Sanchez told a group of military reporters, according to a copy of his remarks.
“America continues its desperate struggle in Iraq without any concerted effort to devise a strategy that will achieve ‘victory’ in that war-torn country or in the greater conflict against extremism,” he said.
Without mentioning President George W. Bush by name, he called the president’s troop-escalation “surge” strategy a “desperate attempt by an administration that has not accepted the political and economic realities of this war.”
“There is no question America is living a nightmare with no end in sight,” he said.
Sanchez commanded the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq from June 2003 until July 2004 as the anti-U.S. insurgency took hold. He retired in 2006 and blamed the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal for wrecking his career.
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
He aimed his sharpest attacks at the White House National Security Council, headed during his Iraq tenure by now-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. “Our National Security Council has been a catastrophic failure,” he said, blaming the council for adopting a strategy that overly relied on the military and failed to effectively mobilize the government.
A spokeswoman for the council responded by saying progress is being made in Iraq. “We appreciate his service to the country,” National Security Council spokeswoman Kate Starr said of Sanchez.
“As Gen. (David) Petraeus and Ambassador (Ryan) Crocker have said, there is more work to be done, but progress is being made in Iraq and that’s what we’re focused on now,” Starr said in a statement, referring to the U.S. military commander in Iraq and the U.S. ambassador to that country.
Sanchez also spread blame to Congress, the State Department and politicians in general.
“America has not been fully committed to win this war,” he said. “Partisan politics have hindered this war effort.”
Sanchez said military commanders on the ground would continue to make progress in Iraq, providing time in which a “grand strategy” could be developed. But he predicted the effort would be wasted and in the meantime U.S. troops “will continue to die.”
He urged that the U.S. force presence be quickly reduced “given the lack of a grand strategy.” But the United States had no choice but to stay in Iraq, given the prospects of regional instability if it withdrew suddenly, he said.
“There is nothing going on today in Washington that would give us hope,” he said.
(Additional reporting by Patricia Zengerle)
I see the Capn didn’t “man up” and take the challenge.
Guess it’s back to the abnormal. :)
Wow. The Harry Reid- Limbaugh smear letter to Clear Channel is up to $40,200 on Ebay. Charity will be a big winner on this letter from losers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4105QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I notice “kansas” didn’t man up.
Re yesterdays open thread.
To the death I will grapple with thee.
Hey JR how’s that spell checker working?
JR,If everybody would absolutely ignore him, he’d probably eventually go away. An ego that big has to be fed….constantly. If you don’t feed it….
Notice the number of posts on this Open Thread compared to last night. That would indicate that almost 90% of posts were BS.
If everybody would just completely ignore the “Obnoxious One”, he’ll starve.
Sighhhh.
Re:
Happy stalker?
I see you were successful in having posts pulled.
I guess that gets your rocks off?
What’s the matter with Kansas, and who cares?
Copy that X.
Yeah fear me Pat.
JR.
Laughing my ass off!
Fear is not in my dictionary. Neither is compassion.
Aim high MF.
Cause I won’t. I’ll be right on target.
Have you a life outside the blog? Any freebee lunch and dinner provided to you in your subsidized housing? Did you beg for a free mouse and get one?
If everybody would absolutely ignore him, he’d probably eventually go away. An ego that big has to be fed….constantly. If you don’t feed it….Posted by: XXX | October 13, 2007 at 10:25 PM
You are about as obnoxious and usually more vulgar than anyone on here XXX.
Too bad you can’t even understand how big your ego is to make judgment on others. I’m surprised it can fit inside such a small head.
Hey everybody! Hi.
I need a computer. Can you believe I am so poo I kaint git even a uzed one fer miself?
Pat dear?
It jsut has to be love.
I told you, I don’t like con women.
If I am your sole reason for posting here…and I seem to be…be a fan, not a nag.
I still luv ya!
Re Kansas,
DNFTT.
Now Kansas, I respect you being the only conservative the WEBLOG will still allow to post on this website. And I understand the pressure you must feel you are under – because the five close friends who have no life but own this blog with the Eagle, don’t give you no slack.
But XXX is not vulgar.
He is direct and doesn’t take any shit from anyone. But he is not vulgar.
He has been influenced a little too much by the left, and maybe he has a reason for that due to his military service, but that doesn’t make him vulgar. There is still hope that he will not burn the American flag or spit on it.I am surprised he is a follower here though, and never disputes the leftist line.
JR on the other hand, is a whole different story.
True Pat. I was just testing his will. :)
Kansas have you ever considered WHY the WEBLOG lets you continue to post?
I have a theory, albeit influenced by two Mick Lites and three rum and cokes, but I think it might have some truth to it.
Considered why they WE Blog let’s me continue to post?
I don’t imagine they give much thought about whether I post or don’t post.
I’m a realist, I don’t consider my views any more important than the next guy and I don’t consider them to be any less.
Most likely the reason is what I stated before several times about this blog.
We are the Editorial Department guinea pigs, hamsters if you will.
They use what is posted to their own benefit.
Sometimes, one of the Blog’s “Blind Pigs” will find an “acorn” and the Editorial Department can utilize it in one of their own editorial pieces or for further explanation.
There is nothing special about me nor anyone else on this Blog that is significant enough for “being allowed” to stay.
It is merely a mechanism – or as I stated before – we are just another “unsharpened pencil” on their desk top.
Incubations of undisciplined specimens in the petri dish of media.
Okay, maybe that was more than you wanted to know. :)
I have a theory, albeit influenced by two Mick Lites and three rum and cokes, but I think it might have some truth to it.
Posted by: Pat Herron | October 13, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Damn Pat, you didn’t even offer to share!And here I was hoping we could sit down and discuss the merits of your .50 cal semi auto AE vs my S&W 500 Mag.
I’m curious how an auto that big shoots.
Sorry, Kansas. Got sidetracked there by my significant other for a few minutes.
Without you Kansas, there would be no one left to talk to.
All that would remain would be talking heads bobbing back at each other in agreement.
Without you, this blog loses it’s entire plausibility.
They must be able to demonstrate that the WEBLOG is a sounding block for controverting dissenting opinions.
The WE believes, as does it’s internal circle of friends, that you are only one with the tenacity to take regular kickings.
Their legitimacy must rely upon your continued support (posting).
Without you, the eggheads would have to throw darts at each other, and the WEBLOG would have zero respectability.
Congratulations. You have the “sticktoitness” to persevere.
Once the newspaper owners realize there is zero profit in these spaces, and they have been convinced that the cost of maintenance exceeds profit-margin, they will go away.
Until that time, they need you.
XXX–
I agree.
There’s only one way to deal with “I was / was not injured in the line of duty” Kansas.
Walk on by.
I will still call him “I was / was not injured in the line of duty” Kansas until he explains this contradiction, which he can’t.
BTW, did everyone notice that JM “I was / was not injured in the line of duty” Kansas claimed that he NEVER EVER nic switched.
Yet just yesterday he posted this:
I want Capn. I got Steven and I got you. GIVE ME CAPN! and I will go.
Posted by: J R | October 13, 2007 at 12:52 AM
“I was / was not injured in the line of duty” Kansas posted over JR’s NIC.
Unbelievable.
Pat–
Are you drunk or are you always this full of shit?
I’m thinking . . . . the latter.
BTW, Pat, other than harassing JR, what do you do around here?
I’m gonna toss you a tidbit Pat.
Make it last.
I’ve met the ediors. They are very happy with the continued growth of this blog.
Oh and Hank, Nathan, outlander, Joe Williams, Heckler, etc etc are gonna be shocked to hear that they don’n count and that the only conservative voice on this blog is that of a mentally off balance, lying, nic switching troll.
Have another drink and post again. You’re amusing!
I see that the Capn is still arm flailing.
Must be sad to be the most impotent poster on the Blog as he can’t prove any of his assertions.
Although, the Capn is in the top five on posting the most boring commentary on the blog – He is slowly climbing to the top of the most boring list.
In what regard do we not count I wonder?
“The WE believes, as does it’s internal circle of friends, that you are only one with the tenacity to take regular kickings.”
Posted by: Pat Herron
Is that why the WE editor deleted his posts, and banned him a while back? LOL!
You know, JR, your post got me to thinking.
There isn’t one conservative post-er who can use evidence and make good arguments.
GMC is probably the best of the sorry lot, but even he relies on the “your a ________ if you don’t agree” (fill in the blank with one’s choice of “communist,” “terrorist,” “bleeding heart liberal,” or “America hater”).
I’ve met the ediors.
I’m sure you did JR. They are amused easily. Your postings provide the material their young editors need for improving their proof reading abilities.
Editors do not equal owners. Not even close.
I’ve met the ediors. They are very happy with the continued growth of this blog.Posted by: J R | October 13, 2007 at 11:20 PM
That ranks right up there in matter of importance along with having a “pet rock” or a “chia pet.”
Most of them don’t even try to make arguments.
Like “full of sh*t” Pat here.
Is that why the WE editor deleted his posts, and banned him a while back? LOL!
Posted by: cosmos | October 13, 2007 at 11:24 PM
oooooo
A four hour ban, I’m still bleeding from that traumatic injury. :)
(has had five of J R’s Post deleted)
(snickers)
Without you Kansas, there would be no one left to talk to.
All that would remain would be talking heads bobbing back at each other in agreement.
There ya go Nathan.
Pat disses you and all the other con posters.
Hey take it up with her. I didn’t post it.
A four hour ban, I’m still bleeding from that traumatic injury. :)
Posted by: Kansas
Did they grant you clemency? Because there really is no way they can ban you personally. One IP maybe. How long does it take to log on to a second?
I’ve never had a post pulled troll boy.
Don’t exaggerat your own ego to yourself.
I DID help get you banned. More than once.
Don’t mess with me. You and Pat get a room.
Capn’s standard answer in the past when I posted evidence and proved him wrong was (wait for it)
“walk on by”
Which means he got his virtual buttocks kicked.
I DID help get you banned. More than once.
Don’t mess with me. You and Pat get a room.
Posted by: J R | October 13, 2007 at 11:31 PM
Never happened, another made up story by J R.
“I was / was not injured in the line of duty” Kansas mocks the editor’s inability to ban him.
Wow. That’s something to be proud of . . .
Capn is still arm flailing with his virtual impotence. Must be frustrating to be so flaccid.
It might be very easy for a lib to create dissention here.Most of the rest of us don’t exchange emails in liaison for this blog.I’d guess that’s because conservatives have a life outside this blog – most likely too busy working and paying taxes so libs can sit home all day and post.
My remarks were tailored to Kansas and his specific situation.
But have at it libs. Hillary will still suck.
Hehehe, I am someone who never knowingly posted a lie all the time I’ve been on the WEBlog.
Nobody can tell when “I was / was not injured in the line of duty” Kansasis is telling the TRUTH.
Who are you going to believe?
Walk.On.By.
You get ignore from me “kansas” JM
I recommend the same from all other posters.
In your solitude, go find and prove any post of mine ever pulled.Produce email. Cite a source.
Have fun. Write soon.
I don’t agree with everything Kansas posts, but I would take him over you any day of the week CapnAmerica.
Produce email. Cite a source.
Have fun. Write soon.
Posted by: J R | October 13, 2007 at 11:36 PM
The same applies to you saying you had me banned.
Proof please. (waits for the lies to follow)
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Hehehe, I am someone who never knowingly posted a lie all the time I’ve been on the WEBlog.Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 13, 2007 at 11:36 PM
The Capn is living a lie.
Thanks, Nathan.
I had my suspicions you were a dumb f***, and you confirmed them.
Douchebag.
LOL
I s’pose you think the earth is only 8,000 years old too, right, Nathan?
With people like that, it’s a COMPLIMENT for them to disagree with you . . .
Nathan?
If you do not trust Capn. And failing that trust me.
Or trust XXX.
“kansas” is bad news.
Well, I’ve obviously had too much too drink. I am seeing double on captains last post.
Either that, or HE has had too much to drink.
Regardless, I’ve things to do tonight in a positive way. I won’t end my night staring at the children playing on the blog.
Hope you solve the worlds problems fighting amongst yourselves the rest of the night.
And J R, still waiting for your royal highness to save the world.Talking shit isn’t doing it junior.
Kansas, don’t worry if the libs won’t talk to you (I know you aren’t). Keep posting away. They cannot resist you and the other conservatives will eventually flood the blues out anyway. Hillary will actually advance that.
Kansas, don’t worry if the libs won’t talk to you (I know you aren’t). Keep posting away. They cannot resist you and the other conservatives will eventually flood the blues out anyway. Hillary will actually advance that.
Posted by: Pat Herron | October 13, 2007 at 11:44 PM
I don’t worry Pat. It’s my job to make them think. Lord knows they can’t do it on their own.
JR,
Kansas may or may not be bad news. My statement has nothing to do with how bad Kansas is.
My statement simply said that I would take Kansas over CapnAmerica any day.
CapnAmerica has said some things about the military which in my mind will always make him less of a person than Kansas.
October 13, 2007Op-Ed Columnist
The Trivial Pursuit
By BOB HERBERT
Yesterday began with the gratifying news that Al Gore, derided by George H.W. Bush as the “Ozone Man,” had won the Nobel Peace Prize.
The first thing media types wanted to know was whether this would prompt Mr. Gore to elbow his way into the presidential campaign. That’s like asking someone who’s recovered from a heart attack if he plans to resume smoking.
Mr. Gore, who won an Academy Award for his documentary on global warming, “An Inconvenient Truth,” and an Emmy for his cable TV network, Current, knows better than anyone else how toxic and downright idiotic presidential politics has become.
He may be one of the most intelligent, thoughtful, talented men in America and remarkably well-equipped to lead the nation, but it’s Mr. Bush’s less-than-curious, less-than-distinguished son, George W., who is president.
Mr. Bush came to mind because, for all of the obvious vulnerabilities he exhibited in 2000, it was not him but Mr. Gore who was mocked unmercifully by the national media. And the mockery had nothing to do with the former vice president’s positions on important policy issues. He was mocked because of his personality.
In the race for the highest office in the land, we showed the collective maturity of 3-year-olds.
Mr. Gore was taken to task for his taste in clothing and for such grievous offenses as sighing or, allegedly, rolling his eyes. It was a given that at a barbecue everyone would rush to be with his opponent.
We’ve paid a heavy price. The president who got such high marks as a barbecue companion doesn’t seem to know up from down. He’s hurled the nation into a ruinous war that has cost countless lives and spawned a whole new generation of terrorists. He continues to sit idly by as a historic American city, New Orleans, remains wounded and on its knees. He’s blithely steered the nation into a bottomless pit of debt.
I could go on.
Mr. Gore actually polled the most votes in 2000, but he was criticized for not having whipped Mr. Bush decisively enough to have avoided the madness in Florida.
Mr. Gore knows the system is in trouble, and not just because of the way he lost in 2000. The last time I spoke to him, a few months ago, he said: “Having served in the White House with the Gingrich Congress, and having watched the best of intentions so often turned into small changes ballyhooed as revolutionary, sometimes having no lasting mark, I really do believe that fixing the dynamic of democracy is an urgent task.”
That’s just the kind of thoughtful comment that can’t get a real hearing in our sound-bite politics. The result is that reality, untidy and complex, is almost always trumped by well-crafted phoniness.
Al Gore is a serious man confronted by a political system that is not open to a serious exploration of important, complex issues. He knows it.
“What politics has become,” he said, with a laugh and a tinge of regret, “requires a level of tolerance for triviality and artifice and nonsense that I have found in short supply.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/opinion/13herbert.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
Nathan
GO to yesterdays open thread.
Kansas ran off Steven. He demanded that I, Steven , and Capn leave and vow never to post again.
The guy is a megalomaniac.
Need some chapstick Capn? Kissing all that GORACLE butt has to be painful.
JR,
Steven is his own man. He hardly posted here anyhow and frequently complained about the posting here.
He left because he wanted to.
I don’t post here as often and wont post here as often because of people on your side.
So what?
Either you wan’t to post here or you don’t.
And after tonight I am remembering why I don’t as often anymore either.
Yeah, heh, JR.
I don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Why don’t you go smash some fossiles, Nathan.
Because you don’t want people to think the earth is like 4.5 billion years old or anything.
Smashing the fossile record is your Christian duty.
Oops, fossil.
JR,
You see what I am talking about?
Why should I think CapnAmerica is better than Kansas with the crap he is posting here?
Capn is the “Al Gore” of the WE Blog. He might win in the popularity of the Blog amongst his loyal followers.
But he still comes in second place just like Gore. :)
Think what you will Nathan.
I have stood up for you and for your dad and for many on the right.
I don’t remember anyone on “my side” demanding posters leave as ransom to desist in bad behavior.
I don’t remember anyone on “my side” demanding posters leave as ransom to desist in bad behavior.
Posted by: J R | October 13, 2007 at 11:59 PM
Steven Davis was the only one of the three (Capn, J R and Steven Davis) to “Man up.”
Hat tip to Steven Davis for being a man.
JR,
Your sticking up for me has nothing to do with me thinking more of Kansas than Capnamerica.
Ok I will remember that Nathan.
For what it’s worth Nathan, J R has tried that “stuck up for me line” as well.
It’s like he wants a medal or something for doing the decent thing.
Capn,
Thank you. Bob Herbert’s column sums up Bush, Gore, and U.S. politics perfectly.
It’s a brutal forum “kansas”
I fight mean but I fight fair. I am who I am and do not pretend at nics. If I see an “enemy” badly treated, I say so.
“Kansas have you ever considered WHY the WEBLOG lets you continue to post?”
Posted by: Pat Herron | October 13, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Maybe it’s because his posts are great examples of illogical, uninformed, unscientific, hateful, lying, rude, and obnoxious “Kansas values” Republican values???
Good Night; Good Luck; and God bless; Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
Kansas, WHERE are your Congress and the Justice Dept sources re the Sierra Club and levee failures???
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f.html#comment-70787152
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74527572
And thank you for posting the levee lie again above.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-926.html#comment-84210900
It proves that you ignore facts, and have ZERO credibility.
“Look in the Congressional Record cosmos, not the Sierra Club. And look at Justice Department reports.”
Posted by: Republican | May 26, 2007 at 12:34 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f.html#comment-70787370