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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Oct. 12, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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While Kansas is trying to decide whether or not to build two new coal-fired plants, that could emit HUGE amounts of CO2 for many DECADES…
‘Zero emissions needed to avert ‘dangerous’ warming’
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn12775-zero-emissions-needed-to-avert-dangerous-warming.html
“Only the total elimination of industrial emissions will succeed in limiting climate change to a 2°C rise in temperatures, according to computer analysis of climate change. Anything above this target has been identified as “dangerous” by some scientists, and the limit has been adopted by many policymakers.
The researchers say their study highlights the shortcomings of governmental plans to limit climate change.”More at link.
Also,’Revealed: The Hidden Agenda Behind Al Gore Film Attack’http://priceofoil.org/2007/10/11/revealed-the-hidden-agenda-behind-al-gore-film-attack
“…The BBC did not mention Dimmock’s own political connections: Dimmock is a member of the political group, the New Party. The founder and chair of the New Party is Robert Durward, whose party is so right-wing it has been labeled “fascist” by the Scottish Tories.
More importantly, there is a cross-fertilisation between the New Party and Durward’s other pet project – he is the founder of the anti-environmental Scientific Alliance. Both the New Party and Scientific Alliance work closely with the PR company Foresight Communications.
The Alliance is one of the leading sceptic organizations in the UK, that campaigns against climate change, against Al Gore’s film and promotes the heavily criticized alternative film “Great Global Warming Swindle”. “More at link.
H/T to DeSmogBlog.com
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21163806/site/newsweek
Blackwater Draws Weapons on US Soldiers
Oct. 15, 2007 issue – The colonel was furious. “Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers.” He was describing a 2006 car accident, in which an SUV full of Blackwater operatives had crashed into a U.S. Army Humvee on a street in Baghdad’s Green Zone. The colonel, who was involved in a follow-up investigation and spoke on the condition he not be named, said the Blackwater guards disarmed the U.S. Army soldiers and made them lie on the ground at gunpoint until they could disentangle the SUV. His account was confirmed by the head of another private security company. Asked to address this and other allegations in this story, Blackwater spokesperson Anne Tyrrell said, “This type of gossip has led to many soap operas in the press.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_he_me/global_abortion;_ylt=AvWb8h4Yc5dMIN6pH26HlBus0NUE
” ‘The only way to decrease unsafe abortion is to increase contraception,’ said Sharon Camp, president and chief executive officer of the Guttmacher Institute.”
“Improving women’s health, experts said, means improving access to safe abortions. Some experts criticized the restrictions that often come with donor money. Funds from the U.S. government, for example, cannot be used in any health services associated with abortion.”
Unfortunately, in many poor countries, the health service agencies that provide abortions, are usually also the only ones to provide cheap and safe contraceptives.
Looks like the media darlings have found a new horse to beat and that horse is Blackwater.
I’d just like to point out that Johnson County license plates are obscene as they contain the initials J.O. Someone should tell the grand jury. Even the word license is suspect.
“”"”Blackwater Draws Weapons on US Soldiers
Oct. 15, 2007 issue – The colonel was furious. “Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers.” He was describing a 2006 car accident, in which an SUV full of Blackwater operatives had crashed into a U.S. Army Humvee on a street in Baghdad’s Green Zone”"”"
If this is true- and I suspect it is not- why is the media covering it up? This would be big news. The reason I suspect it is false is because the US military is not willingly going to hand over their weapons to anybody without killing them first.
We Democrats need to seriously consider funding a weekly TV show featuring Ann Coulter. We need this Republican spokesman out and front everyday!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301216,00.html
Dennis Kucinich Wins!
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/08/5255_kucinich_wins_d.html
Abolish Electoral College & Special Interest Financing of Campaigns
Finally some sensible talk about a failed system that deserves serious attention by the voters. The electoral system eliminates Kansas voters from any serious impact on the national elections. AND it effectively eliminates third party candidates. The two party system also stinks a little bit.
Excellent viewpoint:http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/10/12/electoral_college/index.html
Go with:Campaigns go too long,spend way too much money and do not necessarily provide the best available. It is up to us to stop the nonsense at the voting booths on the 2008 ballot. Not voting sends the wrong message and changes nothing.
Lets’s demand a new system and vote in Fair Vote America : http://www.fairvote.org/irv/
Demand a change on the 2008 ballot.
The big money candidates are more beholden than ever to corporate special interests due to the very long nature of campaigns. How do they have time to do the job they were elected to do? We need public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out.
http://www.publicampaign.org/
Who would be against Public Funding? The special interest money providers and their bought and paid for politicians!
Thanks Kev!
You reminded me that I need her new book! Just ordered it!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307353451/ref=amb_link_5540102_/103-4994560-8388637?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=right-1&pf_rd_r=1APPTGDGAAFH5QPHPJ0T&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=311431101&pf_rd_i=11079
Hank
Ann Coulter is to the Republican party what Fred Phelps is to the Christians. She sure makes an impression!
Military killed 19 insurgents, along with 15 children. That’s a hell of a ratio!
Fred Phelps is a Democrat and Gore’s buddy!
How many Children did the insurgents kill?
Another Hillary Flip Flop
Clinton Reverses, Says She Would Negotiate with Iran’s LeadersFriday, October 12, 2007
CANTERBURY, N.H. — Hillary Rodham Clinton called Barack Obama naive when he said he’d meet with the leaders of Iran without precondition.
But her comments Thursday on the issue prompted him to question whether she’s changed her mind.
During a Democratic presidential debate in July, Obama said he would be willing to meet without precondition in the first year of his presidency with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.
Standing with him on stage, Clinton said she would first send envoys to test the waters and called Obama’s position irresponsible and naive.
But asked about it Thursday by a voter, the New York senator said twice that she, too, would negotiate with Iran “with no conditions.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301310,00.html
Good for Gore, he deserves the Nobel prize. Consider it a consolation prize for having the presidency stolen from him.
How to pay for Hillarys health care plans?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/cartoons.aspx?src=ADCARTN
Sorry it is long be interesring to read and ponder.THE SPOILING ATTACKGrowth Strategies, Jun 2007
The United States has now spent four years fighting in Iraq. The best that can be said about the war at the moment is that it is a strategic stalemate. The worst that can be said is that the United States has failed in meet its strategic objectives and that failure represents defeat.
In considering the situation, however, one’s attention is drawn to a strange paradox that has been manifest in American foreign policy since World War II. On the one hand, the Untied States has consistently encountered strategic stalemate or defeat in particular politico-military operations. Outcomes appeared to be disappointing if not catastrophic in Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Iran and Iraq. Yet, over the same period of time, US global power, on the whole, has surged.
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This general paradox is explained at http://www.stratfor.com by George Friedman, who believes there is an underlying order to US foreign policy that makes the apparent chaos of policymaking understandable and rational.
SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT
There are three general explanations for the paradox of military stalemate yet growing US influence and power in the world. One is that US power is more economic than military; another is that the US has been extraordinarily fortunate; a third is that public convulsions notwithstanding, these conflicts never involved fundamental national interests.
If we apply these analyses to Iraq, three schools of though emerge. The first says that the Iraq war is unnecessary and even harmful; the second says that the war is essential and that defeat or stalemate could be catastrophic; and the third says that the outcome will not be decisive.
AdvertisementWHICH IS IT?
Let’s begin with something that is obviously true, writes Friedman. When we consider Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Iran and even Iraq, it is clear that the United States devoted only a tiny fraction of the military power it could have brought to bear if it wished. Clearly, it was prepared on some level to accept stalemate and defeat.
In other words, the United States has consistently entered into conflicts in which its level of commitment was extremely limited, in which either victory was not the strategic goal or the mission eventually was redefined to accept stalemate, and in which even defeat was deemed preferable to a level of effort that might avert it. Public discussion on all sides was apoplectic both during these conflicts and afterward, yet American global power was not materially affected in the long run.
THE SPOILING ATTACK
This appears to make no sense until we introduce a military concept into the analysis: the spoiling attack. The spoiling attack is an offensive operation; however, its goal is not to defeat the enemy but to disrupt enemy offensives – in effect, to prevent a defeat at the hands of the enemy. The success of the spoiling attack is not measured in terms of enemy capitulation, but the degree to which it has forestalled successful enemy operations.
If we consider the examples cited above and apply the concept of the spoiling attack, then the conversion of American defeats into increased US global power no longer appears quite as paradoxical. In Korea, spoiling Communist goals created breathing space elsewhere for the United States, and increased tension levels between China and Russia. In Cuba, containing Fidel Castro was, relative to cost, as useful as destroying him. In Vietnam, frustrating the North’s strategic goals for a decade allowed the Sino-Soviet dispute to ripen, thus opening the door for Sino-US entente even before the war ended. In Iran, being ousted mattered only if the Soviets replaced the US, which of course it did not.
If we apply the concept to Iraq, it is possible to understand the reasons behind the size of the force deployed (which, while significant, still is limited relative to the full range of options brought to bear in World War II) and the obvious willingness of the Bush administration to court military disaster. The invasion four years ago has led to the Sunnis and Shia turning against each other in direct conflict. Therefore, it could be argued that just as the United States won the Cold War by exploiting the Sino-Soviet split and allying with Mao Zedong, so too the path to defeating the jihadists is not a main attack, but a spoiling attack that turns Sunnis and Shia against each other. This was certainly not the intent of the Bush administration in planning the 2003 invasion; it has become, nevertheless, an unintended and significant outcome.
As with the invisible hand in economics, so too do politicians pursue immediate ends without necessarily being aware of how they contribute to overall outcomes. The incongruities of stalemate and defeat on the one side and growing US power on the other must be reconciled. The liberal and conservative arguments explain things only partially. But the idea that the United States rarely fights to win can be explained. It is not because of a lack of moral fiber, as conservatives would argue; nor a random and needless belligerence, as liberals would argue. Rather, it is the application of the principle of spoiling operations – using limited resources not in order to defeat the enemy but to disrupt and confuse enemy operations.
Copyright FutureScan Jun 2007Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning Company. All rights Reserved
How many Children did the insurgents kill?
Two Joe or so it is reported of a bomb hidden in a toy wagon and pushed on to a playground in a mainly Shiite area.
Phantom,
Exactly how was it stolen specifically. Actual proof? They both availed themselves of the judicial process and our highest court decided it essentially in Bushs favor.
Mind you, I’m not crazy about how Bush has run the country and Gore may have been better who knows? I have not seen any actual proof and the current system is certainly far from perfect, but stolen?
Are you suggesting, Writerdog, that the Coalition Forces have killed more Children than the terrorist insurgents?
Something to think about.
Does anyone else see a correlation between Operation Orchard (don’t if that is official) and the Bent Spear incident at Barksdale Air Force Louisiana?
The Israelis bombed a suspected weapons site in Syria. The only country to ‘jump up’ was North Korea. Now the story is that the ‘weapons’ were shipped in to Syria (in route to Iran) FROM North Korea. And the story just faded away.
Israel is said to have ‘jaw dropping’ evidence. They wanted to strike in July and the US held them off. Then on the labor day weekend a bent spear incident? W-80-1 warheads? The axis of evil all wrapped up into on convenient incident – North Korea, Syria and Iran. Had the broken spear not occurred, any ideas what might have happened? Why DID the broken spear happen? One of our most secure items – nuclear devices – and the movement of – some of the most classified information America holds was leaked. Any ideas why?
We just may get those mushroom clouds GW was talking about…
Something to think about –
Water.
Farmie, why don’t you see if you can get your “State Leadership” to cast their eyes towards Georgia. Maybe a wake up call?
Something to think about –
Ron Paul campaign funding. Most of the “top tier” candidates are getting funding from big corporations or from very powerful “investors”. Ron Paul’s money is coming from grass roots. Would you rather have a presidential candidate that “owes favors” for contributions or one who owes the citizens of America the truth and a return to the constitution?
Have you noticed that the “top tier” candidates are running their mouths more and more, yet saying less and less? How about a candidate whose message has never wavered, is the truth and is backed up by a flawless voting record.
You decide; a bought and paid for shill, or a constitutionalist who proves through actions what kind of person he is.
Congratulations to Vice-President Gore for receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. Here is Mr. Gore’s statement, upon learning that he has received the prize.
“We face a true planetary emergency,” Mr. Gore said in the statement. “The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest opportunity to lift global consciousness to a higher level.”
Congratulations on the award, Vice-President Gore. You have proven yourself among the greatest of humanity’s leaders.
Military killed 19 insurgents, along with 15 children. That’s a hell of a ratio!That is why a military action is one of the worst ways to handle terrorism, in fact that is exactly what they want us to do! It would be better to handle them like they are a very well armed gang of Criminals, focus on the bad guys and safeguard the innocent people. The uncommitted to the terrorists cause could not care less if the terrorists are killed. Perhaps even happy about it, but while killing the terrorists also innocent
Bystanders are killed. Then the uncommitted no longer see the Terrorists as great of a threat as they do those killing the terrorists. Also the average Iraqis does not see the Insurgents as Terrorists they see them as freedom fighters. It kind of makes it a mute point to say we are they fighting terrorism when we end up killing Iraqis both Children and insurgents.
writerdog,
Sadly, agreed. Killing folks’ kids doesn’t win you a lot of hearts and minds. It does, however, breed insurgents.
I don’t think we try to kill innocent people.
So what you are suggesting is exactly what the military is doing.
Something to think about –
Why is our congress worried about WWI? Why are they working on a bill to classify actions in the beginning of WWI when we have enough war on our plates as it is? Why are they messing with Turkey?
Don’t ENOUGH people hate us in the Middle East? Is it really prudent to create yet ANOTHER enemy out of an ally? Go Nancy go. Go Nancy go…
Joe what I was saying it that just above the article that I read of the air strike was the one about a bomb going off on a playground planted by terrorists.
There were two boys killed and seventeen wounded in the terrorists attack. You asked how many children were killed by the insurgents? At to the grand total of all Iraqis killed by an attack of terrorism I am not sure if anyone is tracking that in a separate column from total Iraqis killed since the invasion.
Now I have a question for you?
Are one that believes the invasion was needed so we could have a base in the middle east to operate out of for farther military actions?
The Nobel Prize ain’t what it used to be, is it?
We are swatting at flies with a sledge hammer.
GMC70,
I’ll trust the Nobel Committee’s judgment as to matters of science rather than yours, thanks.
They, after all, scientists–rather than market shills or right-wing hacks.
My bad: the members of the committee are Norwegian citizens nominated by the various political parties.
http://nobelpeaceprize.org/eng_com_mem.html
They are, however, completely independent. And presumably, they consult with active researchers, since their mandate includes giving awards for scientific achievement.
CF -
But this isn’t about “science,” is it? It’s about politics.Al’s not a scientist; he’s a politician.
Let’s face it. Putting Al up against the past winners of the peace prize (note- NOT a science prize) and he kinda pales in comparison. So no, the prize ain’t what it used to be.
And oooh – is “shill” or “hack” the latest term of endearment for one who dares to disagree with you? Kinda like “troll?” Label and dismiss is so much easier than engage and discuss.
“Fred Phelps is a Democrat and Gore’s buddy!”
Sorry Joe, Phelps may consider himself a democrat but he’s no buddy to Al Gore. I think you missed your dose of Haldol this morning.If Gore would run for perz, he’d win in a landslide!
At any rate, CF2K looks forward to the spectacle of exploding Wingnut head, and the pouring forth of sputtering, inarticulate rage.
You’re wrong about most everything, Wingnuts, but especially wrong in your campaign of misdirection regarding global warming. And it is good of the Nobel Committee to put you on the spot by pointing this out.
“completely independent”
I actually giggled when I read that. Politicians. “Completely independent.” Uh-huh.
Are you sure CF, that the committee members for the Peace Prize are scientists?
I notice that that Gore didn’t win the Nobel for science. The peace prize is political.
GMC70,
Yeah. “The Nobel ain’t what it used to be” is SUCH an invitation to rational debate. Please.
Sigh. From attacker to victim in two posts. Poor GMC70!
“spectacle of exploding Wingnut head”
Sounds like a bad porno.
Gore isn’t a scientist either.
When the consensus was that Holocaust heroine Irena Sendle should have been the one.
But we all saw it coming. We all knew that Gore was going to win. Now his lisp boyish voice is going to be all over the airways now. He loves this high horse and he got what he wanted. A legacy that will out live him.
He can now stop his Global Warming death be to us all campaign and set back and enjoy his millions. This is just the trophy he wanted.
Good job Gore.
You know who has done way more than Gore on the Environmental issues. And that is Ralph Nader.
If they are going to award a champion of the environment, it should have been Ralph Nader. But we all know the left hate Nader.
That just shows you how political this is. It isn’t about the accomplishment of the person. It’s who that person is and how he fits politically to the Democrats. That is all.
And to win the prize, Al Gore . . . wait, it must be something big . . . well, he, uh, well, he . . .
. . . . made a movie.
Oh.
Yea, the prize means a lot now.
Ann Coulter is to the Republican party what Fred Phelps is to the Christians. She sure makes an impression!
Posted by: Mary Caruso | October 12, 2007 at 07:44 AM
Mary why are you camparing apples to oranges? Shouldn’t that be Ann Coulter is to the Republican party what Fred Phelps is to the democrats?
Much as you hate to admit thousands buy her books so she has a following and I bet they are all voters. Hummm…
And to win the prize, Al Gore . . . wait, it must be something big . . . well, he, uh, well, he . . .
. . . . made a movie.
Oh.
Yea, the prize means a lot now.
Posted by: GMC70 | October 12, 2007 at 08:50 AM
And GM he didn’t even have to produce a factually correct movie. Could this be called the Faux Prize?
Here are excerpts from the Nobel Committee’s award to Al Gore:
“October 12, 2007Nobel Peace Prize Excerpts
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESSFiled at 5:32 a.m. ET
OSLO, Norway (AP) — Excerpts from the citation awarding the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.
——
Indications of changes in the earth’s future climate must be treated with the utmost seriousness, and with the precautionary principle uppermost in our minds. Extensive climate changes may alter and threaten the living conditions of much of mankind. They may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth’s resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world’s most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states.
——
Through the scientific reports it has issued over the past two decades, the IPCC has created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming. Thousands of scientists and officials from over one hundred countries have collaborated to achieve greater certainty as to the scale of the warming. Whereas in the 1980s global warming seemed to be merely an interesting hypothesis, the 1990s produced firmer evidence in its support. In the last few years, the connections have become even clearer and the consequences still more apparent.
——
Al Gore has for a long time been one of the world’s leading environmentalist politicians. He became aware at an early stage of the climatic challenges the world is facing. His strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change. He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.
——
By awarding the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC and Al Gore, the Norwegian Nobel Committee is seeking to contribute to a sharper focus on the processes and decisions that appear to be necessary to protect the world’s future climate, and thereby to reduce the threat to the security of mankind. Action is necessary now, before climate change moves beyond man’s control.”
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?pagewanted=print
Joe Williams,
The Nobel Committee disagrees with you. As stated above regarding Al Gore,
“He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.”
If you want to make a case for Ralph Nader, let’s see it.
GMC70,
Snigger away. It’s all the comfort you’ll get today. And if you want to diminish your stature like a Wingnut schoolboy, that’s your right.
Oh, by the way, the Norwegians aren’t impressed by your smug dismissal of the committee’s independence. They take it rather seriously, actually.
“The committee is formally independent even of the Storting, and since 1901 it has repeatedly emphasized its independence. However, as can be seen from the composition of the committee, during the first decades it was closely linked not only to the Norwegian political establishment in general, but also to the Government. This was changed in 1936, when the prize was awarded to the German peace advocate and Jew, Carl von Ossietzky. That decision was, as expected, highly controversial and caused sharp reactions from Hitler himself. The Norwegian Foreign Minister and a former Prime Minister both had withdrawn from the Committee’s discussions in order to emphasize that the award was not an act of Norwegian foreign policy. The year after, the Norwegian Storting formally decided to ban members of the Government from the Committee. A second change was made in 1977, when the Storting decided that its members should not participate in nonparliamentary committees appointed by the Storting itself. Since then the Storting has generally appointed former MPs and other people with political knowledge and experience to the Committee.”
http://nobelpeaceprize.org/eng_com_ind.html
I think you missed your dose of Haldol this morning.If Gore would run for perz, he’d win in a landslide!
Posted by: Mary Caruso | October 12, 2007 at 08:41 AM
Mary you keep ignoring the fact that his own people wouldn’t vote for him (think Tennessee). He always had the left coast voters – love to see him run.
ksgrmalkin,
Someone with your demonstrated record of missing the point isn’t exactly qualified to decide what is or isn’t a “factually correct movie” on scientific terms, if you get my drift.
Hey Joe and Gore haters?
Suck it!
Hey it’s ok. I hear georgie is up for a Marvel comics no prize.
Get those letters to Stan Lee!
Since then the Storting has generally appointed former MPs and other people with political knowledge and experience to the Committee.”
http://nobelpeaceprize.org/eng_com_ind.html
Posted by: CF2K | October 12, 2007 at 08:55 AM
Just as I suspected politicians making decision about scientific facts and their noteworthyness. That makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
CF now you are deciding whose points are valid and whose aren’t. Were you on this selection committee?
I’ve never given a rat ass what the political affiliation a Nobel Prize winner is, in fact , I’ve never even thought about. It seems there are a plethora of small petty-minded people here that have to politicize everything.
If this award keeps the spotlight on GW, and hopefully scientists far smarter than you or I will continue to research and learn, how is that not a Win-Win for mankind?
Gore deserved this honor years ago for his leadership in making the internet accessible to the public.
And so I say again,
Gore haters? Suck it!
Gster when more and more scientists are changing their minds about the cause of GW then I want the spotlight to stay on it. To make drastic changes that will affect the economy of the US over unsupported scientific facts could be catastrophic.
ksgrmalkin,
“More and more scientists are changing their minds” over “unsupported scientific facts.” Uh-huh, ksgrm. Just keep on keepin’ on, repeating the spin that you’re told to repeat.
As for my observations regarding YOU, in particular, ksgrmalkin, well, hate to be the one to tell you, but in conceptual matters you aren’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I’m sure you’re a nice lady and all. But your ability to follow arguments leaves something to be desired.
Hank…figures you like Coulter. Traitors.
OMG! You want to compare Gore to Nader? Holy Shit!
You have no idea about Nader do you. He is the guy that founded the Environmental Protection Agency for heaven sakes. That is much more profound than Gore could ever do.
Other environmental records (not counting his consumer and public safety record, which is profound)
Safe Drinking Water Act, National Air Pollution Controls, Clean Air Act and on and on and on.
Other prominent things that Nader has founded that has enormous impact. OSHA, FOIA, CSPC.
People predict that Ralph Nader alone saved over 6 million lives.
You have the guy that founded the Environmental Protection Agency, Clean Air Act, Safe Drinking Water Act and numerous other environmental legislation. Then you have Gore who did a film on Global Warming?
WTF! Gore can’t even compare.
Al Gore is a religious nut case. When you have somebody advocating that he can save the world, only if you give him the power and money, then you are seeing a very dangerous man. He’s a crack!
I’m not trying to dismiss everything Gore has done. He has bring the debate about Global Warming to a top priority level, but that’s it. He is doing more damage to the cause than trying to find solutions.
But the religious left just can’t see that he is nothing but a publicity hound and looking for trophies for his legacy. He cares about that more than the environment. He’s your Jesus! So enjoy!
But smart and unbiased people will know that Ralph Nader is 100X the man and environmental activist than Albert Gore Jr.
Hey CF if you want grmies attention tie a dollar bill on some fish line and drag it around.
CF or WS whichever you prefer. I was suspicious when you showed up and WS left so I have my suspicions. But with the logic you just presented – well I will let others make up their own minds. When you can’t contribute or refute someone elses logic you attack the person. I have respect for Michelle Maulkin because she states what she believes whether it is popular or not. The scientists I was referring to were the NASA scientists. I would challenge you to read their last few reports. It is pretty technical so you might need an interpreter.
They disagree with Gore on the cause of GW. I think they are more credible that Gore. What was his degree in? Oh I forgot he doesn’t have one.
Gore does have a degree in Government. No kiddin! That is his degree.
He did take religious studies courses at Vanderbilt also.
“But smart and unbiased people will know that Ralph Nader is 100X the man and environmental activist than Albert Gore Jr.”
Joe, I’ll skip the smart thing, but I hardly consider you the epitome of being unbiased. And I agree about Nader, he was doing things in auto safety before I think you were born!
JR contribute or bow out gracefully.
Last night you intimated that you had a bad back or some such that kept you from working. At your age shouldn’t you be out learning a new trade. Like one you could do in front of a computer?
You said you had a young son – doesn’t he deserve a father he can respect instead of one content to set around and wait for his disability to kick in?
You knew WS and now CF – tell me do they look alot alike or just think in the same warped way?
While reading the news today I noticed a couple of stories that displayed the contrast between rational secularist Democrats and religious, fascist Republicans. President Gore won the Nobel Prize for Peace and Ann Coulter called for the elimination of Jews from the country.
Joe Williams >> What possible connection do you see between the Democrats and the Nobel Committee??? I mean, the Nobel Committee is Norwegian… NOT a part of our country’s structure at all… So, where do you find your usual half-witted connection???
Grm, I would suggest you just HUSH on your allegations about any similarities between CF2K and WS Clark… Ihave met CF2K, and I can assure you, they are not one and the same… But, you wouldnt believe anything I say… So, off to your own private land of Oz!!
He did much more that Auto Safety.
But you don’t know do you. You didn’t know he created the Environmental Protection Agency, the Clean Air Act, the Safe Drinking Water Act and much more. Ralph Nader is much more the environmentalist than Gore. Admit it.
I just love how the left discount Ralph Nader because they blame him for Gore’s lost. Gore didn’t run on the environment in 2000. He ran on Social Security lock box.
So they just say that Ralph Nader just was for auto safety. No! He is much more. He is way more intelligent than Gore and he lives it. He’s no hypocrite.
GRM, exactly how is he supposed to get that job with no training? I went through this, and ended up back in healthcare where I absolutely should not be. I come home in excrutiating pain every day and I’m only working part time. I tried to get desk jobs, I tried other fields. It’s nearly impossible without the education.
And there are no freebies for education, so it’s a trap. You can’t work to earn money for a way out, and you can’t get an education without money.
When is the last time a Noble Peace Prize was given to a conservative or a Republican Chaz?
Operation Orchard
Bent Spear
Turkey
??????????????????????
Nah, let’s name call and focus on the Goreacle
Ummm JOE, I wouldnt say that either Menachim Begin or Anwar Sadat were either Democrats, OR conservatives… And if you want to see a list of winners, why dont you go Google it??? OR you might even try http://www.ask.com
Sol, say some more about Orchard, Bent Spear, and Turkey, please?? I have only heard bits and pieces of those so far today… Also, has anybody looked up anything more on the latest Blackwater scandal??
grmie?
You old nickel squeezer you.
You are way outta line speculating on me and other posters.Haven’t you got an employee to go molest?
Gore won the Nobel. Suck it.
http://www.google.com/search?q=operation+Orchard&hl=en&start=10&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GFRC_enUS214US214&q=Turkey+%2b+WWI+%2b+congress
Grm, I would suggest you just HUSH on your allegations about any similarities between CF2K and WS Clark…
Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 09:31 AM
Chas you and JR ended the day yesterday threatening others on the blog and start out that way today. Why the shouted HUSH? I said they sounded awfully similar. But then of course so do you. Guess it is just a liberal trait.
Joe, perhaps because no Republicans deserve a Nobel Prize? They’re too busy counting their money or demanding you be Christians.
Grm… memory shortage today already?? You said MORE than just similar… You asserted that CF2K showed up close to the time that you think WS Clark left??
Ummm that is a lot more than just saying they sound similar…Better re-check your own post…
When was the last time a conservative, republican did anything to better the world?
JR actually I thought I was giving you some good advise. Pmom didn’t understand that either so I will explain.
If your financial condition is as you say, there are many grants available, government and private available to you for retraining. These are grants and not loans. As Frmgrl would say freebies, but in your case she wouldn’t say that only about mine.
Talk to a counselor at one of the Community Colleges. Butler would be a good place to start. Since you once told me you and I are both in Sue Schlapps district I am making the assumption that you live in the SE. There is a Butler facility at Rock and Pawnee. Good luck and I sincerely mean that.
Oh we got us one bitter ol’ biddy in grmie.
Auntie anti? I’ve met CF. I didn’t get to meet WS because your vile poster Kansas ran him off with ethnic slurs.
That’s the right for ya. Liars and bullies.
Oh and Al Gore won the Nobel.
JOE — actually, not that many Americans have received the Peace Prize… AND, as far as Nader is concerned… How could NADER create OSHA??? or the EPA??? Those are things that were created by acts of Congress… Nader has never been elected to Congress… How could Nader have created them?? He might have worked to get them IN to Congress for consideration… But, then again, Nader has never been an enemy of the Left.. He has, however, been a long time enemy of the Right Wing… The Right Wing has been notoriously antagonistic against both OSHA AND EPA!! Geez… wingnuttia, and their wacko spin!! No wonder they are always dizzy… and going in circles…
OSHA has also been a frequent target of comedians like Dennis Miller, and Jay Lenno… and they are in NO way Liberals!! LOL
Chas I made a speculation not an accusation.
Speculation: WS left about the time you showed up CF. That was awfully convenient.
Accusation: CF I know without a doubt you are WS sneaking in under sheeps clothing.
Can you see the difference?
As blog master I understand it is important that you reign completely so I will get your permission before I specualate in the future.
Chas- That’s the first thing tht came to mind when I read Joe’s post, although I didn’t reply. It’s probably futile , at best!
But, then again, Nader has never been an enemy of the Left.. Posted by: Chas.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.
I needed a good laugh this morning.
ksgrmalkin,
You obviously lack an ear for a writer’s voice. About the only think WS Clark and I share are our political convictions and a delight in antagonizing you. Read our posts, side by side: sentence structure, vocabulary, and voice are nothing alike.
Nice way for you to try to avoid dealing with my criticisms, though. Way to go, ksgrmalkin!
No shock that you admire Michelle Malkin: you clearly like being told to think, and Michelle Malkin clearly likes telling people what to think–even when what she’s saying are lies.
As far as climate change, what NASA reports in particular are you referring to, ksgrmalkin? Something like the following?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/05/nasa_chief_cool.html
Michael Griffin AFFIRMS man’s role in Global Warming–he just claims not to know whether it is something to worry about. Is THAT what you meant, ksgrmalkin?
Joe Williams,
Nader has done lots of commendable things. But founding the EPA isn’t one of them–at least according to this official history.
http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/epa/15c.htm
Nader may have helped, and may have helped a lot. But “founded?” Get your facts straight, Joe Williams.
And to take it a step further, Nader was an actor on the national state. Gore’s activism takes place on a global scale.
Can you imagine the outcry if Germany said that the holocaust never happened, and if we passed a resolution condemning it, they would no longer be our allies? If bush says Israel has a right to defend itself by attacking other countries in its defense, how can the world tell Turkey, it doesn’t have that preogrative?
perogative.
Why not inform yourself before you post grmie?
CF has been posting here since the beginning two years ago.
Well, Grm, since I never said you made an accusation… but an assertion, I dont see what your point is about including accusations in your reply… I guess YOU are the one that doesnt see the difference between speculation and assertion…
YOU SAID: “WS left about the time you showed up CF. That was awfully convenient.”
I SAID: “You asserted that CF2K showed up close to the time that you think WS Clark left??”
SO, I never said you made any accusations… I rightfully summed up what you DID say…
Now, who doesnt get it???
All the same, your speculation is totally unfounded….
SS will pay you anywhere between 15 to 20 grand in today’s money.Posted by: CapnAmerica
That’s an amazing amount from SS! (Chas is only nine years out from drawing.)I would never claim to be such an expert. I hope no one is listening to you:
$895Average monthly Social Security benefit check for retired workers in 2002. This compares with $834 for disabled workers and $861 for widows and widowers. (Source: soon-to-be-released Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2003.)
$989Average monthly Social Security benefit check for retired workers in New Jersey — highest among states. Connecticut and Michigan followed, at $981 and $964, respectively. (Source: soon-to-be-released Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2003.)
$9,786Average income for people 65 and over in 2001 that came from Social Security payments. This compares with an average total income of $22,210.
BTW, Chas can go to the SS Administration and request the annual statement we all get – at any time. Even if he worked as a young man, before he was exempt, it will be reflected on the report.
And please Chas, don’t take MY word for it, I don’t claim to be an expert. Personal finance is too important to take just any Tom, Dick, or Captains word for it. Any financial planner will tell you this.
SS administration is only a click away.
Also, do not underestimate the cost of insurance premiums and out-of-pocket costs. Hillary isn’t there yet.
JR — Did I miss something?? Did you say something earlier about needing funds to go to School???
I have appointments, but will be back later….
No shock that you admire Michelle Malkin: you clearly like being told to think
Posted by: CF2K | October 12, 2007 at 09:54 AM
CF you are absolutely right on that one. I love thinking and making up my own mind. Thanks for recognizing that.
As for when you came on the blog. I don’t pay attention to who is posting when I am in the middle of good discussions. I only notice when it becomes personal and someone get so off topic that you are forced to reply.
I really don’t care who you are. I remember WS because he declared war against me and several others on this blog. I’m not surprised he is gone. He had nothing to contribute but was a deversion to rational thought.
Thanks for thinking of me Chas.
That’s just grmie throwing around lies on me. I’ll thank her to keep her nose outta my life.
“If they are going to award a champion of the environment, it should have been Ralph Nader. But we all know the left hate Nader.”
Am I “left,” Joe? You see, I voted to make the man president. . twice (’96 & ‘00). And I find the Dem attacks on Nader tiresome. . . it ignores the huge degree of (justified) disenchantment with Gore that made Nader’s popularity inevitable. There’s also a lost lesson: it wasn’t the loony left that defected to Nader; it was a coalition of the disaffected–disparate, contentious–who had enough of corporate politics as usual.
I also agree that Nader did a HUGE amount for the environment, long before it became Gore’s calling card. The Clean air/water acts were largely a result of his efforts.
Unfortunatlely, the man’s legacy tends to be stupidly reduced to electoral politics and arguments about 2000 these days. It’s unfortunate.
IRS says rich getting richer: report 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) – The richest one percent of Americans earned a postwar record of 21.2 percent of all income in 2005, up from 19 percent a year earlier, reflecting a widening income disparity among different classes in the nation, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing new Internal Revenue Service data.
ADVERTISEMENTThe data showed that the fortunes of the bottom 50 percent of Americans are worsening, with that group earning 12.8 percent of all income in 2005, down from 13.4 percent the year before, the paper said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071012/bs_nm/irs_income_dc
I kept hearing how our economy was doing so well, and people had more money, but I never saw it. This may be why.
“If bush says Israel has a right to defend itself by attacking other countries in its defense, how can the world tell Turkey, it doesn’t have that preogrative?”
Posted by: The Phantom | October 12, 2007 at 09:56 AM
This is true. But what is being made of Turkey’s raids into Iraq? The ONLY place in Iraq not saturated with insurgents and violence.
And with our congress doing its best to make an enemy of Turkey with the pointless rehashing of pre-WWI activities. What purpose does that serve? Does not the congress know about our bases and supply lines in Turkey? Does not the congress see Turkey pulling its ambassador to America as a warning sign and a first step? Nah, lets endanger our troops in Iraq further.
Why was there no reaction other than Syria and North Korea in reference to Operation Orchard? What was the final destination of six stealth cruise missiles with W80-1 warheads? Why was top secret intelligence leaked to the press that sprouted the bent spear? Why was it a bent spear and not a Pinnacle? Have our journalists lost the stomach for investigation? Were they told to shut up? Did the servicemen revolt?
Why was a private third party called in to investigate the bent spear BEFORE the air force investigation was even completed?
Why does no one care? Why isn’t this the lead story for every media outlet? Is America asleep? Are they so easily distracted by Al Gore and Brittney Spears that a nuclear incident and an attack on a sovereign nation (supposedly sanctioned by the US) a non-story? What has happened to us?
Much as you hate to admit thousands buy her books so she has a following and I bet they are all voters. Hummm…
Posted by: ksgrm | October 12, 2007 at 08:52 AM
Waiting for it. Come on Captain!Tell us book sellings are a vast right-wing conspiracy for the greedy multi-national corporations and CEO’s!
Just like talk radio.
I know that kook and failed attorney Mark Levin had nominated
get this
Rush Limbaugh.
Wonder if ol’ frog mouth Rush got a consolation prize. Maybe some scented soap or a gift certificate or something.
What? Accepting a shared prize from, from, ohmagawd:The inventor of dynamite and detonating caps!
But,but what about my work inventing the internet? Or, or streamlining government?
Where is my prize for those????
Goood GOOOOOOOD!
I can FEEL the right wing hate and anger.
Hey maybe they will come up with a “I know how to wave goodbye award” and you all can nominate georgie. He might even win.
Hey maybe they will come up with a “I know how to wave goodbye award” and you all can nominate georgie. He might even win.
Posted by: J R | October 12, 2007 at 10:45 AM
No, that would have to go to Chas. He says goodnight every night on every thread.
Over and over and over again.
Plans have been released for the G.W. Bush Presidential Museum, which will contain the following:
The Alberto Gonzales Room – Where you can’t remember any of the exhibits.
The Hurricane Katrina Room – (Still under construction.)
The Texas Air National Guard Room – You don’t have to even show up.
The Walter Reed Hospital Room – They won’t let you in.
The Guantanamo Bay Room – They won’t let you out.
The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room – Nobody can find it.
The War in Iraq Room – After your first tour is finished they can force you to go back again and again and again…
The Dick Cheney Room – In an undisclosed location, you can shoot a close friend in the face.
Later, check out the K-Street Project Gift Shop where you can buy an election, or if no one’s monitoring it, steal one; and don’t forget to visit the Men’s Room for a meet and meat with a Republican Senator!
There will also be an entire floor devoted a 7/8 scale model of the President’s ego.
When asked about the plans, the President said he didn’t care so much about the individual exhibits as long as his museum was “better than his father’s.”
Oh I’ll bet this will be a big hit:
NEW YORK — A week into the cross-country launch of a radio talk show for “Godless infidels,” the son of the late former President Ronald Reagan will be a guest.
Ron Reagan will speak this weekend on Freethought Radio, which Air America Radio is now broadcasting nationally, about his own atheism.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300719,00.html
Liberals have their priorities.
Selected Recent Winners of the Nobel Peace Prize:
2007 – Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr.
2005 – International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei
“for their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes and to ensure that nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is used in the safest possible way” (What was that loud boom in North Korea?)
2003 – Shirin Ebadi
“for her efforts for democracy and human rights. She has focused especially on the struggle for the rights of women and children.” (in Iran!)
2002 – Jimmy Carter
“for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development” (cough, cough, cough, cough….where?)
2001 – United Nations, Kofi Annan
“for their work for a better organized and more peaceful world” (cough, cough, cough, cough….where? Can you say Oil For Food Scandal?)
1994 – Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin
“for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East” (Yeah Right!!!)
1990 – Mikhail Gorbachev
“for his leading role in the peace process which today characterizes important parts of the international community” (After Ronald Reagan twisted his arm a little.)
1989 – The 14th Dalai Lama
1988 – United Nations Peacekeeping Forces
1981 – Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1979 – Mother Teresa
1978 – Anwar al-Sadat, Menachem Begin
1977 – Amnesty International
1973 – Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho (Peace in Vietnam, until 1974)
Funny stuff Monkeyhawk.
MARINATE in the gravy that is your pain cons. DO share it with us.
Wasn’t Gore a baby killer in Vietnam?
Grm, I would suggest you just HUSH on your allegations about any similarities between CF2K and WS Clark…
Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 09:31 AM
Warning from the left – Must be getting close to the mark on this one!
JR — Did I miss something?? Did you say something earlier about needing funds to go to School???
I have appointments, but will be back later….
Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Socialists feeding other Socialists. Experts at extracting money from the Government.
CANTERBURY, New Hampshire (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton called Barack Obama naive when he said he’d meet with the leaders of Iran without precondition. But her comments Thursday on the issue prompted him to question whether she’s changed her mind.
Wishy-Washy Hillery:First she said there were WMD, then she said there weren’t anyFirst she was for the war, then against the war.Now she is for the war.First she wanted $5,000 per American baby,Now she doesn’t.
Picture it now:
Pentegon detects incoming nuke.Hillary’s military aid opens the black box:
First she wants to push the button,then she doesn’t.No wait, should she push the button now, or should she wait?
Should she have a two page type written statement first on “WHY” she pushed the button, or wait.
Should she have a two page type written statement first on “WHY NOT” she didn’t push the button, or wait.
Do we need a wishy-washy president?
Hey ksgrm!
I must have missed your post on Mr Clark.
But you’re right! The posts by Chas are rather similer to Clarks!
Yesterday he even said that he didn’t go to the meetup because of Nathan’s joke. Was Chas even posting then?
Hmmmmm.
hehehehehehe
Hank
Socialists feeding other Socialists. Experts at extracting money from the Government.
Posted by: Mike Herron
He is rather old, to be milking the education system.
“John F. Kennedy’s former top speechwriter says Barack Obama not only is a lot like Kennedy, but would make the best president.”
Is it any wonder?
Ask NOT what you can do for you country, but rather what your country can do for YOU!
Yesterday he even said that he didn’t go to the meetup because of Nathan’s joke. Was Chas even posting then?
Hmmmmm.
hehehehehehe
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | October 12, 2007 at 11:31 AM
They couldn’t both show up at the same time. And if he did show up, he may not remember which one he was!
Former Kennedy aide Ted Sorensen, 79 — the closest living aide to the slain president — also said he believed Hillary Clinton would likely lose to a Republican should she be nominated, according to the U.K. Telegraph.
Darn it! We didn’t want this one to get out.
Well Pat, never too late to finish High School. What is he, 50 something?
Hank?
Trust me and try and keep up ok?
Ksgrm is confusing CF2K with Clark.
Not Chas.
Now you Hank know more than anyone what happens when identities are confused.
(I’ll tell you newbies the story sometime.)
Ya know folks? The biggest ID confuser on the blog is “kansas” and he is one of yours.
Nic-switching Troll–
Usually I don’t bother to answer cowards who can’t post under a single nic, but
1. I gave Chas this information BEFORE he told me he had opted out of SS
2. I was basing that figure on people I know who draw SS rather than national averages. Apparently, they made more and paid more in than the average.
SS is supposed to replace about 1/3 of your earned income in a typical year near retirement for an middle-class earner (up to 97 K in income).
Your advice that Chas get a SS statement and a consult on this is sound.
KSGRM–
When CF2K said you lacked the reasoning skills to deal with rational argument, you instantly confirmed it by suggesting that CF is Clark.
1. As JR rightly pointed out, CF has been posting here from the beginning of the WEBlog. He was the one that told ME about it fact, and I’ve been here forever.
Your contention that CF only started posting “after WSC left” is completely wrong. CF was posting before, during and after Clark was posting.
2. W S Clark posts over his real name. CF doesn’t. Why would Clark try to hide his identity under a sock puppet when he doesn’t even hide his real identity with a nic-name?
It doesn’t make good non-sense, which apparently why you believe it.
A normal person would look at the evidence and simply say, “I was wrong.”
But since no right-winger has ever said, “I was wrong” since the beginning of time, I’m not holding my breath.
In fact, when someone like David Kay (weapons inspector in Iraq) says, “I was wrong,” we know immediately that he isn’t a right-winger . . .
And hey, I do that asking God’s Blessing for all — and still you bitch about it!! Wcko wingnuts!!
BTW, yesterday somebody said something like, “Since when have we had a fromer governor serve two terms as President,” and he was thinking about Bush, and then made a comment demeaning to Bill Clinton… And he was acting like those were the only two he could think of…. WOW ROFL!!!
And this was a Right Winger…. And he forgot about Reagan??? ROFL!!! That was tooo good!!
WOW ROFL!!!ROFL!!!
You sure do like your own jokes. I guess.
Hank I had that same thought about Chas because I wasn’t around at the meet up time and I know he came after me. But you know how confused he gets and how he starts YELLING!!!! when he is challenged. I try not to do it. Too often at least.
Chas actually the right has so many heros it feels like bragging to keep mentioning them. We just let you throw up Bill over and over and over again. Sorry about that throw up part. Unintentional I’m sure.
Yup, she can’t simply say, “I was wrong.”
I think it has something to do with why reich-wingers are so attracted to AUTHORITY, the stern father who is never wrong.
It’s kinda sad in a way.
A mature woman who has not the self-confidence to simply admit she made a mistake . . .
A mature woman who has not the self-confidence to simply admit she made a mistake . . .
Right, like that never happens by anyone else around here…(snickering)
I thought the Libs didn’t want to make moral decisions for Americans?
And why is Congress NOT getting a US BUDGET passed? Because The Lib Congress would rather waste time on 90-year old issues instead!
Timing of genocide resolution
House Democrats say resolution will help restore America’s moral authority
WASHINGTON (CNN) — With tensions rising between the United States and Turkey over a resolution that labels the World War I-era massacre of Armenians by Turkish forces “genocide,” many are asking why the House is debating the resolution now.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/12/genocide.resolution/
We just let you throw up Bill over and over and over again.
Don’t mind if I do. Even has Hillary’s signature on it:
http://dumphillary.com/chung.html
And why is Congress NOT getting a US BUDGET passed? Because The Lib Congress would rather waste time on 90-year old issues instead!
Timing of genocide resolution
While I agree with you Max – congress has failed in it’s obligation to pass the final appropriation bills for 2008 (which Nancy Boyda critized Jim Ryun for not doing in 2007),
I am not so sure on the genocide resolution.
Ultimately, isn’t it the right thing to do? A century too late, but if we fail to acknowledge genocide, we are bound to repeat it. I wonder what we did about Cambodia?
Amway–
I have said I was wrong on any number of occasions.
For instance, I heard some fighter jets rumbling overhead and I posted to the effect that McConnel must be gearing up for an attack on Iran.
Turned out, it was the air show they have at the air-base every year.
My bad. I was wrong.
I said so.
You bet Hank… I was posting then… Seems like you and Grm got your timing screwed up… But I’m not surprised…
However, I AM NOT CLARK, so you can both stop that crap NOW…
OK Hank, and Germie… When was that meet up, and Germie, when did you get on the blog??
CapN… Ummm… I thought the Air Show at McConnell was back about a month ago??? I could be wrong…
Well, one thing about pointing out that Germie is wrong and hasn’t the guts to admit it . . . it sure shuts her up, doesn’t it.
Yes, Chas, end of August or so, IIRC.
The McConnell Air Force Base air show was absolutely fantastic. No one had to walk 10 miles. No one had to ride the buses. No one was…
Published on 2007-07-26, Page 7A, Wichita Eagle, The (KS)
Lynn Brewer, author of Confessions of an Enron Executive: A Whistleblower’s Story, has become a globally known authority on what went wrong at Enron. Since 2002, she has given close to 200 speeches around the world. At $13,000 per appearance, she has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars for her company, The Integrity Institute. In her presentations, Brewer recounts the wrongs she witnessed at Enron — a company that grossly overstated its earnings and collapsed into bankruptcy six years ago — and exhorts her listeners to act ethically in all of their dealings.In recognition of her bravery in speaking out as a whistle-blower, the Nobel Peace Center in Oslo, is featuring Brewer in an exhibition devoted to freedom of speech.
STORY: Sherron Watkins’ fame helped Brewer get attention
A salute from the people who give out the Nobel Peace Prize is a heady achievement, but what makes Brewer’s story truly remarkable is that she appears to have fabricated significant portions of her tale, starting with whether she was ever an Enron “executive” and extending to her claims of being a “whistle-blower.”
Instead, a USA TODAY investigation, involving interviews with two dozen former colleagues, reveals Brewer to be an astute self-promoter who parlayed an undistinguished 32-month stint as an Enron employee into a lucrative career in the corporate ethics industry. She appears to have succeeded by modeling herself after another woman regarded as an Enron whistle-blower, Sherron Watkins.
USAToday
CapN, could be those fighter jets were being sent to Whiteman, or Offutt, or Vance… Could be you werent wrong… yet… LOL
Hey Kansas Farm Girl, here’s something else you can grow on your farm (other day you were posting about marijuana):
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) — The Netherlands will ban the sale of hallucinogenic mushrooms, the government announced Friday, rolling back one element of the country’s permissive drug policy
…. it sure shuts her up, doesn’t it.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 12, 2007 at 12:47 PM
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Seems to for a while, at least…
Actually, nic-switch, you should be the one to grow the psylocibin mushrooms.
They grow best on fresh sh*t.
popup! [(oo)] kansas
Chas did catch the same “!!!!!” usage disease as WSClark though.
He doesn’t appear to be WSClark, but he does appear to have some of the same characteristics. I remember proving WSClark wrong on several issues, he would go into a fit of rage and melt down. That happens to Chas a lot as well.
The Capn was also wrong about me posting under other nics. However, it doesn’t stop him and his Blogladytes from making the same out ad hominem remarks.
One thing that Left is good at is making insults. Their momma’s must be proud. One can go back through the posts here on specific issues and it’s either a “Bushism” or an attack on someone.
Some things never change, da Dems, the party of no substance.
I wouldn’t worry too much about Turkey. As an Arabic-speaking country, they can get their news directly from Al Jazeera without the CON spin of our corporate media.
Chuckle… Rush Limbaugh is putting up Harry Reid’s original letter complaining to Clear Channel about the made up “phony soldiers” controversy. Proceeds going to charity. Signers include Hillary, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer etc…
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
Any predictions on how much it will go for?
What?? Charity??? You mean Rush is out of Drugs again???
Chas
Marine Corp. Law enforcement scholarship fund.
Last I looked it was $1525.00
Yep…. when a challenge cant be met, we can always count on Kansas to come c harging in on his horse of Ad Hominem, posting absolutely nothing relevant… Same old tactic, if you have nothing to offer, be sure to try to deflect, deny, or destoy the other poster… How absolutely amazing the lack of contribution!!
OK Heckler, then Rush needs some protection from the Drug Police… I see…
popup! [(oo)] kansas
Posted by: popup! | October 12, 2007 at 01:11 PM
=======================Mercy sakes! I didnt know Bras came in square shapes too! LOL
“Same old tactic, if you have nothing to offer, be sure to try to deflect, deny, or destoy the other poster… How absolutely amazing the lack of contribution!!”Posted by: Chas.
And what did this contribute:”What?? Charity??? You mean Rush is out of Drugs again???”Posted by: Chas.
Seems you have nothing against attacking people with “Ad Hominem”.
But Chas, you do have the same odor has WSCLARK, you have to admit.
You know so many people on the blog without really being here when certain events occurred.
How did you like the Wichita Voice Chas?
I met Chas. in person more than once, Kansas.
He’s who he says he is.
I have no idea what the Wichita Voice is Kansas… but YOU seem to know… so, do tell, by all means….
Oh, now it’s ad hominem to attack Rush, the greatest master of ad hominem of all?? Hmmmm something wrong with that idea, Hud, or whatever Troll you are today…
Do you think there are any turkeys in Turkey?
Or are all the turkeys posting as right-wingers here on the WEblog?
Oh, yea, I keep forgetting, Hud, you neocons have NO sense of humor AT ALL!! Sorry bout that, I will try to be more sensitive to your lack of humor
Oh, now it’s ad hominem to attack Rush, the greatest master of ad hominem of all??
Posted by: Chas.
I was not talking about Rush; I was talking about Chas.
Why do you want to change the subject?
There would seem to be a few of them here, CapN… And many of them seem to have a fetish about the absence of WS Clark… That all started last night, too…
Chas appears – WSClark disappears…
Hud — read back upthread… I was attacking RUSH… not YOU… Gee, clean your glasses or something…
Ummm Kansas… I have been around this Blog for quite a while now… Maybe longer than YOU!!
Sorry, my glasses are clean. I was commenting on your apparent double standard.
Hey, I get that crap stacked on me all the time… I figure if some of you can dish it out, you better learn how to take it, too…
And I also dont like the sock puppet ballet either… I figure the sock puppets are fair game for anybody to attack!! Since they come and go so FAST!! LOL
Ummm Kansas… I have been around this Blog for quite a while now… Maybe longer than YOU!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 01:54 PM
You have?
What was your other nics?
You aren’t nic switching are you? :)
Nope same nic I have used since I got on this Blog…
Nope same nic I have used since I got on this Blog…
Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 02:03 PM
Which was when Chas?
Give us a month. :)
However, Kansas, I have noticed you using at LEAST three… if not more… oh, make that four, with your use of JM… however, I wasnt sure if you were stealing it, or if JM was just another one of yours… since I had seen a Reader View that was almost word for word something you had posted on the Blog… and showed up in Reader View with a name signed as J**** M******
Kansas, I posted all that not long ago, when some of you challenged me on the same darned thing before…. Cant you all keep track of anything???
I told you all once before I have been on and following this Blog off and on since about August, 2004…. Can you do better than that??? Or do you want to call me a liar like you do on everything else??? (almost everything else)
Give it up, Kansas.
I know Chas personally. CF2K has met him. So has JR.
NOBODY has met you.
Okay Clarkie, I mean Chas – you’re a liar and a nic switcher.
But you’ve never met WSClark have you Capn? :)
Watch out CapN… Next thing you know they will say we are the same person again… thats already been tried at least once…
Let’s see Kansas… how was it WS Clark described himself, that YOU just had to poke fun about, and make racial/ethnic slurs??? Hmmmm????
Let’s see Kansas… how was it WS Clark described himself, that YOU just had to poke fun about, and make racial/ethnic slurs??? Hmmmm????
Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 02:16 PM
I don’t know Chas, explain it to me.
You never posted as Chas during that time, yet you seem to know a lot about it.
Explain your way out of that. :)
It is so hard for Chas to keep track of his multiple personalities and nics.
Oh, brother.
Do you have any sense of reality at all, Kansas?
Are you really a disabled vet?
Did you really fly over Iraq?
Were you really stationed in Turkey and Israel and Germany?
Were you ever really in the Air Force?
Do your wounds really “pop open”?
Did you really take couses in bio-environmental engineering? I never even heard of bio-environmental engineering.
We know Chas is telling the truth because several of us met him in person. We don’t know anything about you except the crap you post about yourself here.
“When is the last time a Noble Peace Prize was given to a conservative or a Republican Chaz?”
Any since Henry Kissenger in 1973?
I have indeed met Chas.
“kansas” and I go way back. BUt I have never met him. I don’t wnat to. He has posted under at least 6 main nics that I can think of. He also has taken to creating new nics on the spot.
So is Chas from Kentucky with Cherokee ancestry or what’s the new place of origin for Chas this week? He appears to be from everywhere all at the same time. :)
Oh, and Kansas… you might want to coordinate your war stories a little better… I remember one day on the Blog you posted that you were disabled, but not because of Military….
And then just a few days ago… You posted how you were disabled when missiles attacked the plane you were flying in over Iraq….
And you have been attacking JR since he has been back… BUT, he has logged in several times, saying very pointedly that he was using his mother’s puter, cause his was broken, and that a friend of his was building him a new one… And yet, you carry on as if he is somebody NEW or something….
Better get your fact checker working a little better there, big guy!!
Kansas will neither confirm or deny any of the questions I have asked him.
Interesting.
“When is the last time a Noble Peace Prize was given to a conservative or a Republican Chaz?”
Any since Henry Kissenger in 1973?
Posted by: Steven Davis | October 12, 2007 at 02:18 PM
The Nobel Prize has turned into a Leftist Ideology symbol of mutual butt kissing.
It is a prize that holds no honor nor merit.
Yeah, and you said you were from Oklahoma and Texas, Kansas.
How can you be from both?
And there goes Kansas again, with YET ANOTHER LIE!!! I hve NEVER claimed to be from Kentucky… NOT EVER!! That is just plain STUPID!!! I have even posted on here what High School I graduated from right here in Wichita…. I smell a meltdown coming….
Deflection is a new tac with you “kansas”
Take your faults and project them onto Chas,
Aint gonna work.
Capn is trying so hard, let me retrieve that post he made about his new policy.
BTW, here come the Liberal dogpile again…
Must be a Democritic network out there of no one from the Left can think or speak for themselves.
Because maybe there are more “selves” than they care to admit to. :)
I remember one day on the Blog you posted that you were disabled, but not because of Military….
And then just a few days ago… You posted how you were disabled when missiles attacked the plane you were flying in over Iraq….
*****
Yeah, I noticed that contradiction too, Chas.
Don’t worry, Kansas is a past master of giving a transparent lie that absolves him of lying.
This one should be good . . .
So Chas, back to the question…
What exactly did I say to WSClark and how would you know if you weren’t here posting?
I’m very very sure, you would have made a comment on it, if you didn’t agree with it. You didn’t…why is that Clarkie…er Chas?
You haven’t answered a single question we put to you, Kansas.
The only “dogpile” is the one that passes for brains in your head.
Here’s a paper on lead poisoning and autism. http://jrnlappliedresearch.com/articles/Vol5Iss1/lidsky.pdfMaybe we need a pre-emptive strike on Chinese factories.
(loves to make the libs dance to his tune)
Dance puppets Dance! (snickers)
I’ve got a little project working for “kansas”. But Friday is a bad day to start.
Ummm Steven Davis… I dont personally categorize either Prime minister Begin, or Pres. Anwar Sadat, as liberals… And they both got a Nobel Peace Prize… but of course, they werent Republicans either… LOL
Well I see this blog is more of the same.
libs versus kansas calling each other names and liars.
Not a single serious post in the last two hours.
Ho-hum. I’ll check back later.
Maybe romper room will be over and it will be nap time for the little children.
I noticed a jimmy (snickers) a bit ago…
Damn, Kansas. That’s exactly what JM used to say.
But you’ve assured us many times that you were not JM.
So of course, it must be true.
Who could ever doubt you?
“So Chas, back to the question…
What exactly did I say to WSClark and how would you know if you weren’t here posting?”
Ummmm you never asked that question Kansas… And I already said what you said about Clark… upthread… you care to read before you start more lying???
And the award is called the *Peace* prize.
When’s the last time a member of the Republic Party advocated or worked for peace?
JR–
I want to get you back on the e-mail list now that you’ve got “the internets.”
E-mail me at wally_o66@yahoo.com.
Gee Hotdog, I always thought the Nobel Peace Prize was pretty special, as well as important… Sorry you dont see it as anything serious…
So, what do you all think??? Cleveland or Boston???
And how about them Rockies?? They are lookin REAL good!!
I met Chas. in person more than once, Kansas.
He’s who he says he is.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 12, 2007 at 01:47 PM
Give it up, Kansas.
I know Chas personally. CF2K has met him. So has JR.
NOBODY has met you.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 12, 2007 at 02:11 PM
Has anybody ever met Clark?
Hank
Has anybody ever met Clark?
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | October 12, 2007 at 02:38 PM
Oh fer heaven’s sake, I don’t know of anybody who met Clark? But that’s wholly irrelevant.
The man posted under his own fricking name. That name is not Chas’s name.
Their writing style is not remotely similar. Clark is not even religious.
On the other hand, JM and Kansas are dead-ringers for each other.
Kansas — I sat right at my puter screen and watched you poke fun at Clark because he had claimed he is part Indian, part Black, part Irish, and part something else (german??) And you called him a red-headed black man??? Now, now, you dont remember that part of your own posts??? I guess I wouldnt want to either, if I had made a post like that….
And my response to that argument was that I was part Cherokee, part german, and part Scotch/Irish myself….
And there were many other posts directed at Clark’s grandchild as well… Shame on you Kansas, for not remembering…. Oh, but I dont think you were using the Kansas nic then… more like either Republican, or Republikhan….
Oh, and that sure wasnt back in 2004, when I first came around this Blog…
Skies to be swept for alien life
The array will be able to image large sections of the sky at once
The switch has been thrown on a telescope specifically designed to seek out alien life.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7041183.stm
Now here’s a corporate rich man putting his money to mankinds use. Thank God no one took all his billions from him.
Hey Chas, they are looking for you!
And you are correct, someone did post something about someone getting a nobel prize during the last two hours. I really had to hunt for it though. It’s like a 750 piece jigsaw puzzle. But I found it. I’d already read up on that on the Thread dedicated to that subject matter.
Hank don’t be dense. You are gonna make a fool of yourself.
Clark was proudly half Jewish.
Capn is also right about the dif. in wtiting styles.
Kansas is trying to make someone else into him.
And you’re helping him.
Amazing that Chas remembers all this stuff and was not posting at the time.
“And my response to that argument was that I was part Cherokee, part german, and part Scotch/Irish myself….”Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 02:44 PM
Identical to WSClark – now isn’t that coincidental? :)
BTW – The legal name is William Stephenson Clark – if you would like to know more about the name, buy my book when it comes out next year – I’ll even autograph it for you.
Posted by: WSClark | December 24, 2006 at 09:10 AM
This is not the posting of a guy who is hiding behind nic-names.
Maybe we should just all post under the nic kansas. Then it wouldn’t matter who was who.
Oh, and let’s see… one of my daughters has posted on here a few times… PK is her nic… And my old buddy Das has been on here a few times… At which time, YOU Kansas, made a rather insinuating comment about a male friend of mine staying at my house when he is in town on business??? Do you remember that incident???
Das was certainly not amused, and told me he was going to contact the owners of the Eagle when he got home. I dont know if he has or not, since I havent heard from him since his last trip…
Has anybody ever met Clark?
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | October 12, 2007 at 02:38 PM
I remember that, because I have been looking for the book… And I havent found it yet… Darn!!
Clark said this about himself: I’m part “Native American, African American, German, Irish and Norwegian ancestry.”
Most people in the US are German and Scots-Irish, so that’s not even interesting.
Chas never said anything about the Jewish and Black ancestry.
At which time, YOU Kansas, made a rather insinuating comment about a male friend of mine staying at my house when he is in town on business??? Do you remember that incident???Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 02:49 PM
Actually that was someone else that made that comment.
So Chas, why is it you have the identical ancestry of WSClark and yet you claim not to be him?
I mean, you even have identical posting habits of WSClark. Post all times of the day, use “!!!!!”, use CAPS and appear to have been more places than the reader’s digest.
Nice try at deflection, Kansas… but WRONG AGAIN!!!
“Identical to WSClark – now isn’t that coincidental? :)
Posted by: Kansas | October 12, 2007 at 02:47 PM”======================
I have not posted that I am part black, NOR that I have red hair… Cant you get anything right today Kansas??? C’mon, just admit to everybody that you are totally off base, and totally wrong here…
Okay, Kansas, we answered your questions.
Now you answer ours, prick.
How does one get badly injured by an event that is both military and non-military related at the same time?
Don’t say I didn’t warn you Hank.
Now YOU are kansas’s crutch.
I sure wouldn’t want MY name attached to that diseased rambler.
Hey JM? Is this why your wife ditched you and took your kid?
So noble for Capn to step up and defend Chas and back up his lies. But I guess that’s what Libs do.
DANCE PUPPETS DANCE! (chortles)
I have also never posted that I have bi-racial grandkids either.. but William Stephenson Clark HAS posted to that effect…
Give it up Kansas…. You arent getting anywhere with your feigned stupidity…. not today!!
Iguess ol’ JM musta been disabled below the waistline too.
That’s too bad. But not an excuse to take it out here.
This won’t bring your wife back guy.
Hang on JR… I have seen Kansas post that he has never been married… so which is it here??
Okay, folks, you saw it here again:
Kansas won’t explain his contradictions but will make baseless charges on others.
BTW, I don’t want to be you when Clark comes back and kicks your ass to the rafters, you pathetic loser.
“I guess ol’ JM musta been disabled below the waistline too.”================= — JR — ====
Now,now, JR… let’s stay away from that sort of thing… Not nice to go there… Ok???
See how uncomfortable the Libs get when accused of nic switching?
They must have something to hide!
I wonder if they can take a daily dose of it?
That’s the lesson for today boys and girls.
(wraps up PUPPET STRINGS on spool and skips merrily on his way.)
Over and out.
Hey guys leave “kansas” here to rant on his own.
I GUARANTEE you in less than an hour he will be posting to himself.
Yep, Kansas is far too obsessed with calling me a Liar about anything and everything… Something just not right about that… Kansas, your stories have far too many holes in them for you to call ANYbody a liar!!
The letter is up to $5600.00. Rush has challenged dusty Harry to match the price it brings.
I’ bet it goes for at least $100,000.00.
Hank
Kansas is the only guy I know who can get his ass kicked and claim he was making people “dance.”
You’re probably right, Hank.
There’s a lot of stupid rich right-wingers.
And so the BDP skips merrily away, calling all of us nic switchers, and liars… having given no proof of any of his LIES… because there IS no proof of his lies…
But, I have this hunch that the Sock Puppet Ballet will be out in FUL force tonight… Good thing baseball is on TV…
I recommend ball game time for everybody!!
And JR… get hold of me buddy!!
Oh I’m sure Hank I’m sure.
There are plenty of assholes with money to throw away.
Dems get it, we are gonna get to work on THAT : )
Hank, I dont want to be picky, especially about Rush, but I believe Rush calls him “dingy” Harry… Rush would consider “dusty” to be far too nice.. LOL
Your favorite baseball team is Detroit or Chicago right Chas?
So. . .
Does anybody know Clark?
Hmmmmmmm?
hehehehehehehe
Hank
Ummmm they arent playing, unless you want to LIE about that too… LOL
I bet you could look him up in the phone book, Hank (if thats you Hank)
I think Kansas is trolling Hank.
I don’t think Hank would appreciate that.
I’ve been trolled before, didn’t hurt a bit.
Hank
I see it really is Hank.
Oh man you are aligning yourself with some bad news in “kansas”. You got some real fine company there.
Disappointing
Question: Why on Earth would anyone INVENT a full-on personality here, particularly when his full name was available for verification. . .if anyone bothered to look?
I’ve made some joke posts here (e.g. Nietzche, etc.) long past, but I’ve never seen the logic of using multiple nics–this one is quite anonymous enough. What’s the point?
Some will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that a UFO with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico. This is a well-known incident that many say has been covered up by the U.S. Air Force and government.
However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of March, 1948 — roughly nine months after that historic day — George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and Dan Quayle were born.
See what happens when aliens breed with sheep?!
Good one Monkeybrain!
However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of March, 1948 — roughly nine months after that historic day — George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and Dan Quayle were born.
See what happens when aliens breed with sheep?!
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | October 12, 2007 at 03:26 PM
Guess that would have been funny if close to being accurate. Let’s see what the facts are and the real humor of events in 1948.
George W Bush born July 6, 1946Dick Cheney born January 30, 1941Rush Limbaugh born January 12, 1951Dan Quayle born February 4, 1947Bill OReilly born September 10, 1949Donald Rumsfeld born July 9, 1932===================July 24 1948- Marvin the Martian makes his debut in the Bugs Bunny cartoon Haredevil Hare.
Now Marvin the Martian debut is funny and accurate.
Harry’s letter is up to $5600.00 on Ebay.
Chas and Cap sorry to disappoint. Unlike some on this blog I have a life outside this enjoyable interlude. Had work to do -if we want to eat and have a roof over our heads next week.
Chas you weren’t here when I came. Sorry to disappoint you. When was this meet up you didn’t go to? I definitely would have remembered when you came. It dumbed down the entire blog.
So far you vouched for JR, Cap vouched for you – I see a conspiracy here. The fact that you call me Germie, vintage WS tells me a lot.
You are definitely melting down Chasss. Take a couple of aspirins and don’t call me in the morning.
I want to know one thing Chas – Do you have green eyes?
Frickin’ A, Grandma–
Are you saying that CF, JR, Chas, and I are all lying just to make you look bad.
We call that a “labored hypothesis.”
It’s a lot easier just to admit you were wrong.
But then you couldn’t be a right-winger any more.
Cool.
Looks like we know how to shut Kgrmalkin up . . .
Looks like the Capn is having another non-productive day at work as he is posting here all day long.
Perhaps he is waiting on that “check” from Hillary Clinton, so he can join J R on the couch potato farm.
I don’t work on Fridays, dumbass.
But nice try at deflecting the issue of your blatant lie, “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas.
Cap can you explain what I lied about. I must have lost the thread somewhere.
As for the conspiracy theory. You need to lighten up tight man. You won’t age quiet so fast. How long have you been a Captain? Aren’t you past due for a promotion? Is that the problem.
Chas when did you show up – still waiting for that date and I also wonder how you missed the meetup you weren’t even around for.
So far you vouched for JR, Cap vouched for you – I see a conspiracy here. The fact that you call me Germie, vintage WS tells me a lot.
I’m pretty sure it was me or farmgrrl hung you with the apropos “grmie” nic .
Oh and before you embarrass yourself further? I have met in person more people from this forum thwn anyone else. I’ve posted here since June 2005.
There is a larger point here. I don’t bag on people that aren’t around to defend themselves. I sorta figure other folks are similarly decent. WS Clark offered his home and family dinner last Thanksgiving to anyone who didn’t have a place to go. I don’t like that he was driven from here by vile slurs from the worst and most diseased poster this forum has ever had (JM Kansas). And I sure as hell don’t like him beat up when he is not around to defend himself.
How long have you been a Captain? Aren’t you past due for a promotion?
Posted by: ksgrm
Apparently, there is no promotion in the near future.
Captain America Lives! Hero to Return in 2008http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301459,00.html
JR not knowing WS as you appear to I can only judge him by his actions on this blog. You and farmie might have used the grmie but the Germie is WS in and out.
No matter I really don’t think you or anyone else on here is WS but CF comes close. By the way if I refer to you as JR even when we disagree strongly why is it alright for you, Chas and farmie to put names on others. Is this a liberal privilege or what?
JR if we agreed on everything it would be boring to spend time on this blog. Anything I have said to you today I said out of genuine concern. You said last night you had been hurt on a job and I really thought retraining would help. If I was out of line I apologize. Living with pain everyday is hard.
We’ll live to fight again I’m sure. Don’t let it get out that I have a heart. It would be so hard for Chas to handle.
It’s okay ksgrm, we know Chas is lying about who he really is.
It’s all part of the Libs quest to out people on an anonymous blog.
J R wants to ruin your business.
Chas wants to sue everyone.
Capn wants the official title of Blog President.
Steven Davis is a wannabe Blog psychologist who can’t even spell the terms of the profession properly.
What can you expect from the sewing circle of Libs who email each other so they can get their stories “straight.”
Yes well,
Thank you for the thinly veiled insult both to me and my intelligence.
I have one for you. Not so veiled.
How in the world can anyone confuse WS with CF?
I’ve an advantage there I guess. I got to see both posters from their very start. They are nothing alike. I’m not gonna talk about WS because he isn’t here.
Kids, can you say, “I will become an adult; I will become an adult!”
Repeat 1000 times or until ya all grow up.
Barring that possibility, please continue. This is certainly humorous, in a sick sort of way.
Severe Thunderstorm warning just issue for parts of Sumner and Cowley counties.
JM I think I am up to that challenge. If the lightening strikes start coming down like they were this afternoon Hud I will be turning off my computer. I have fried my hard drive once with a lightening strike and this with a surge protector.
JR sorry for the veiled insult whatever it was.
I wasn’t trying to get you to talk about WS and am dropping this entire line which I actually started in jest and it got out of control. I was putting Chas and CF on because they take themselves too seriously.
Nuff said.
kSgRM… I have already posted as to when I started hanging around this Blog… I believe it pre-dates your time here, if I remember your post from yesterday… Why dont you go look it up, or MAKE Kansas post it for you… since I told him AGAIN Earlier today….
If you cant read upthread, then maybe you dont really want to know, cause it would make you out to be a liar….
And ummmm NO I dont have green eyes… never had em… never will…. My eyes are a very dark brown… like a good little Cherokee… well, at least 3/8 Cherokee….
So what band of Cherokee tribe are you Chas?
And what importance is that to you Kansas??? Just another deflection… You just dont give it up, do you — such a sad little man… very sad, Kansas…
Ya know, Grm, you are just plain stupid to try to make ME into WS… especially when I honestly believe that you know better… All you have to do is check a phone directory for WS Clark…
I bet you could even CALL him, and he would probably tell you who he is…
See, I dont have any bi-racial grandchildren… not that there is anything wrong with that, but mine just arent… I have FIVE grandchildren… and wont have any more…
And none of them live here in this town, as do Clark’s…
You just went and barked up the totally wrong tree…. And you found NOTHING… other than what you have already been told before…
I guess that makes it YOUR turn to either admit you have been VERY WRONG here, or else just BUTT OUT!!
So what band of Cherokee tribe are you Chas?
Kansas, what possible purpose would knowing that serve you??? Huh??? It would tell you nothing… would not make me less of a Cherokee than any other Cherokee… So, what purpose is it, other than your normal use of deflection???
State your REASON for asking, and I MIGHT tell you….
BTW, the Cherokee prefer to refer to themselves as a Nation… not a Tribe… You might want to watch how you talk about them…
Well Chas, I figured anyone claiming to be 3/8ths Cherokee would know what band they came from. After all, one-fourth blood is usually all that is required for someone to be admitted into a Native American tribe or nation.
You might be missing out on some Casino profits there Chas. If you knew what band of Cherokees you derived, you might be sitting pretty with all sorts of undiscovered benefits.
BTW, the Cherokee prefer to refer to themselves as a Nation… not a Tribe…
Where I come from they call themselves tribes (of which there are many) which together form a Nation. Now I am speaking of the Choctaw and Chickasaw but why would the Cherokee be any different? As a matter of fact the current Chief of the Choctaw Nations is very plain about which tribe he comes from.
Thats right Hud… BUT, not so with the Cherokee… Ummmm Kansas, I am NOT part of the Cherokee Nation that has its capital in Talequah, OK… That would make me part of the Northern Nation… So, NO, I am not eligible to become a member of the OK Cherokee Nation… the one with the financial benefits… I checked that out many years ago…
“which I actually started in jest”
Ahh, the old “I was just kidding” excuse.
“I hope terrorists kill your son and make your daughter wear a burka.”
Just kidding!
Wasn’t that a knee-slapper?
Geez, Ksgrm, that’s lame even for you.
But at least you didn’t admit you were wrong.
Then I would have had to have grudgingly given you some small measure of respect.
As it is, you get none.
CapN, I gotta believe there has to be something that the Blog Ed’s. can do to stop this constant crap of these right wingers constantly calling you, and me, and JR, and CF2K, and even WS Clark liars all the damn time!!
Do these freaks have no decency??
By the way Grm… did you find that post upthread where I once again, posted what year I started hanging around this Blog??
Oh, I know you wont admit it even if you find it, but at least you will know that you are really barking up the wrong tree here…
the one with the financial benefits…
Posted by: Chas
Tell you what I would do. Desert! Go over to another tribe. Try Choctaw – 1/16 gets you all kinds of money. Not the big money but a home, pays some of the bills, etc.
CapN, I gotta believe there has to be something that the Blog Ed’s. can do to stop this constant crap of these right wingers constantly calling you, and me, and JR, and CF2K, and even WS Clark liars all the damn time!!
Do these freaks have no decency??
Posted by: Chas. | October 12, 2007 at 06:53 PM
You mean like the Capn does to everyone else?
I’ll make you an offer there Chas.
If the WE Blog bans the Capn, J R and Steven Davis from ever posting again, they can ban me as well.
Is that a deal?
They all call people liars, nic switchers, trolls and etc.
So how about it WSChas? What do you think?
Who you talking to, Kansas???
There is a difference there Kansas… Those guys are RIGHT!!
When you and your nut cases do it, you are 99% WRONG… like you are once again NOW… See, there is NO WSChas posting here!!
And you might ALSO notice… I didnt use the word “ban” SO, I dont know where you are getting that from at all… What’s more, you KNOW I didnt use the word, “ban”, and so that is just another… i say another… attempt to deflect, deny, or destroy another poster(s).
“…Tell you what I would do. Desert! Go over to another tribe. Try Choctaw…” — Hud –============================
That statement has such a LOW moral value to it, that no honest Native would even think of doing such a contemptuous thing!! Shame on you Hud… Shame!!
Well we’ve learned that banning does not work on the disease “kansas” JM
And I don’t want the draconian security to keep him out.I almost WOULD leave if it would relieve the blog of “kansas”But he’d just lie and change his nic.
So…..
When life gives ya JM? You create the “kansas” JM show.
‘Kansas”? You were right the other day when you called me an amateur.
But I’m a quick learner. I’m learning searching and bookmarking
etc. etc.
Oh there’s material enough in your history here to probably certify you for commitment.
And we are gonna get to see it in episodic form.
Last chance to reform “kansas”
It is offered out of sympathy for your condition. But this is the last time.
Go for it J R, it will be amusing to watch making a fool out of yourself.
As if you haven’t done it already many times before.
JR, if you just get hold of me, we can fix you up on all of that stuff in a very short time frame… Trust me, I know these things… CapN will give you my email address… Then you can call me… OK??
So Chas, you got the Native American thing down. Are you Jewish and Black as well? Were you raised by your grandparents when you were abandoned by your parents?
Did you participate in some “peace” marches in Detroit?
Yes well
I guess that was sort of like asking a madman if he is insane. The answer doesn’t really matter.
It’s on.
I’m getting to it Chas.
I don’t want to mess up my email like I did before so I am going slow.
There you go again, you lying piece of CRAP… You know damned well where I am from… and it isnt anywhere close to Detroit!! You know all of this because of the day you were accusing WS Clark of NOT being in Wichita… By asking a series of questions, I determined that both of you are currently IN Wichita, or at least have a good deal of familiarity with the City… You dont remember that??? Shame on your memory banks!!
JR… you wont mess it up this time… You arent on WEB-TV anymore… trust me on this one… OK??? I really can help you out on this one…
In fact, JR, CapN can give you my phone number, too, if he hasnt lost it….
What kind of motorcycle do you own Chas?
Ummmm havent had one since ‘93
What model was the motorcycle Chas? Did you sell it in running condition?
KANSAS… WAKE UP YOU SAD SAD MAN… YOU ARE WRONG…. VERY WRONG…. JUST ADMIT IT TO YOURSELF, AND MOVE ON!!! I AM NOBODY THAT YOU MIGHT THINK I AM… I AM ONLY WHO I HAVE ALWAYS SAID I AM ON THIS BLOG… LIVE WITH IT… GET USED TO IT… YOU ARE A BIG LYING IDIOT!!! NOTHING MORE, AND NOTHING LESS!!! MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN KNOW ME… YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE SURPRISED!! I WONT TELL YOU WHO THEY ARE… BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT IN A NEED TO KNOW POSITION….
YOU ARE JUST WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!! WHY CANT YOU GET THAT THROUGH THAT DISEASED BRAIN OF YOURS???
I don’t recognize that model of motorcycle Chas? Is that a European or Japanese make?
THAT, LITTLE LYING MAN, IS ABSOLUTELY NONE OF YOUR FREAKING BUSINESS… YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD OVER AND OVER AND OVER, THAT YOU ARE JUST PLAIN WRONG… NOW GET IT THROUGH YOUR BRAIN, AND MOVE ON!! YOU ARE JUST MAKING YOUR LIES WORSE!!
So you lied about owning a motorcycle Chas?
Chas?
You are feeding this clown.
You’re giving him a reason to live.
Leave him here alone.
He’ll start talking to himself inside an hour.
Won’t you JM?
KANSAS…. OPEN YOUR DIM LITTLE LYING EYES… I NEVER SAID IT WAS SOLD…. I SAID I HAVENT HAD A MOTORCYCLE SINCE 1993…. STOP LYING YOU STUPID IDIOT!!
YOU JUST PASSED FROM BRAIN DISEASE TO IDIOT!!
Order denies advanced funding for coal-fired plantBy RON JENKINS, Associated Press Writer
Looks like Oklahoma killed a coal burning plant which was scheduled not that far from Kansas.
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) – State regulators on Thursday signed orders denying requests of utility companies to raise customer rates in advance to pay for construction of a proposed coal-fired power plant in northern Oklahoma.
http://www.durantdemocrat.com/articles/2007/10/12/news/news1.txt
Oh I see Chas, you weren’t lying, you were just being misleading.
Does being misleading work in Court as well Chas?
I mean one could mislead a Judge about alimony payments to their two ex-wives and stuff and get in trouble ya know.
YOU ARE LYING AGAIN KANSAS… I SAID I HAVENT HAD A BIKE SINCE ‘93… STOP YOUR LYING… YOU ARE LYING SO BAD, THAT NONE OF YOUR LITTLE BLOG FRIENDS CAN SAVE YOUR BUTT FOR YOU NOW!!!
WHAT KIND OF BIKE I HAD, AND THE REASONS I NO LONGER HAVE ONE, ARE NONE OF YOUR FRIGGIN BUSINESS… PERIOD… AND I AM NOT GOING TO ANSWER ANY MORE OF YOUR DUMB, STUPID, SICK, TWISTED, MENTALLY DEFICIENT QUESTIONS…. GOT THAT DUMBKOPF??? NOW BUTTT OUT OF HERE AND LEAVE OTHERS ALONE!!!
JR… I AM OUTTA HERE!!! THIS CRAP WILL STOP HERE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER… AND RIGHT NOW, I DONT MUCH CARE WHAT WAY IT STOPS… BUT IT WILL CEASE!!!
So what was the make and model of your motorcycle Chas?
I mean ya know Chas, telling me about the make and model can’t be that painful can it? You might be able to talk about motorcycle stuff with XXX, Hank and Nathan.
Good to hear Hud, maybe Kansas can make a decision soon on their coal-fired plant.
If I said I havent had a motorcycle since 1993, HOW in your small brain, is that lying about having a motorcycle???
Even YOU can lie your way out of that one, you stupid idiot!!
Even YOU can lie = Even YOU cant lie… type again!!
So what was the make and model of the motorcycle you had Chas?
No one is asking you to lie Chas.
Just tell me the make and model.
Chas,for the love of God man, please ignore the troll. Can you not see you are letting him get away with pushing your buttons? I swear, the two of you are just like little kids on the playground having a pissing match…he pushes your buttons, you respond, then he slinks off giggling, and you just get more and more angry…and it all happens again….BECAUSE YOU LET IT HAPPEN……ignore him, PLEASE
Thank You.
disgusted reader.
So asking someone about the make and model of the motorcycle they had is doing what exactly?
Please provide your wisdom on the matter.
Momma won’t let me have a motorcycle and I don’t want to talk about it.
Hank
JR–
While you were gone, JM-Republi-Kansas was busted several times.
Stephen Davis got him the first time: he pointed out that RepubliKansas was referring to events that occured before he said he started reading the WEB.
I got him by showing that both he and JM routinely posted between 2:30 and 5 in the morning, the only regular post-er to do so.
I guess it’s hard to sleep when one is doped up and feeling guilty.
Now again, the troll has slipped up by posting that his serious disabling injury occured in the line of duty. He repeatedly said it was after he was out of the air force before.
He refuses to explain this contradiction.
He also almost got banned when he stole J M Walker’s nic. In fact, I believe the only reason he wasn’t banned is because the editors don’t know how to ban him. “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas has admitted as much already.
Setting up an e-mail account couldn’t be easier these days.
Go to yahoo.com. Go to the top right of the screen where it says: free mail, sign up. Double click. Select a name for yourself and a password. You’re done.
Good God..this is why there will always be war. Men can’t discuss anything without it deteriorating into a slug feast..maybe you guys have too much time on your hands.It’s amazing how every thread turns into some moronic mud slinging contest..why don’t you all grow up?
It’s called a brodeo. Just a bunch of swinging penises trying to hold on for 8 seconds.
LOL
Mary–
Tell it to the editors.
We’ve proven over and over again that we can’t reform ourselves.
It’s stupid to expect anything different after years of the same thing.
If you don’t like it, say something to the only people that can do anything about it.
No. I’ll just find something better to do…arguing with people gets boring, no one learns anything or brings anything of significance to the table. The whole idea of the blog is to share ideas and opinions…but when it dissolves into a name calling contest…then it’s just a waste of time. G’night.
Complain about the Capn Mary. He is the key player in all of this and started this fiasco.
Ask anyone on the blog, the Capn was the first instigator of all this blog trauma.
Just like today, he makes up stories , convinces everyone they are true, then repeats them here and as off topic in other threads for no other purpose than to attack people.
That’s the only thing the Capn knows how to do, attack people. He attacks people not of his ideology. He attacks people here on the blog. I feel sorry for his wife to live with such a biggoted person. That is, if he’s still married, wouldn’t surprise me that he got a divorce. Who would want to live with such a maniac.
I hate to make this the Kansas, all the time, Thread – but wish to take a different tack.
I think it is an empirical question if we can believe anything this man (if he even is one) says at all. So my recounting of what he says may be all lies. But, if he is lying, it is possible that his lies reflect the world that he wishes it were.
He says he has volunteered in hospitals, public schools with disabled children, and a whole host of commendable acts. These could be untruths, but they might be true, and in the former case, I submit it is the reality Kansas would like to see.
So, either way truth or untruth, this man wishes he was (or has been) useful in some ways. The preceding is a primary hypothesis in my thinking here.
If my assumption is correct that he needs to be useful, isn’t it terribly sad that being a provocative troll is the best he can manage in meeting his needs.
The Eds have clearly tried to ban him from being here. He has fought that and continues to post. It is pretty much the same thing every day, as Mary notes above.
So, the question is, and I am hoping for some kind of coherent answer, but would understand if I don’t get one. What is it, Kansas, that you get out of posting here?
The above reminds me of a quote often attributed to Freud – “women, what do they want?”
And I know there will be those on my side of the aisle, and from the other, who will scoff at me for this question. I think everybody needs to feel useful in some way.
I would be glad to leave this venue, if you could find something useful to do with your life.
Boring…..very boring! Everytime I visit this blog, there is rarely any thoughtful or stimulating discussion, just lots of name calling and stone throwing. Has anyone here actually moved beyond their middle school glory days?
My thoughts exactly KenS. I was doing quite well discussing the issues.
But when you get constantly bombarded by left by being called a troll or some sort of racist then one can only take so much crap.
Those of the left can just stop what they are doing and just discuss issues.
However, when they use their dogpiling tactics, I’m going to come out and there will be some scares by the time I’m done.
It’s very simple, the left needs to shut their collective mouths about calling people they disagree with as trolls, nic switchers, racists and etc and just post.
But they won’t stop and keep on doing.
Just look at Steven Davis useless post about me trying to give some sort of psycho analysis. I’m sure real psychologists are laughing their butts off about now.
I have stated many times what I want to do. I want to discuss the issues. A few times a couple of days have gone by where I can do such.
Then out of the blue some poster that hasn’t bothered me in awhile like XXX will pop up out of the blue and make a personal attack. Or PMom. Most likley, it is the regulars, Capn, J R, Chas or Steven Davis who will pop off some remark totally irrelevant to the discussion.
Do I get down and dirty with them? You bet I do and I usually come out the winner because they can’t take what they dish out.
If they want to discuss the issues, then I’m all for it.
But the moment one of the gets out of line and starts yelling idiot, racist, nic switcher or troll, I’m going to be all over them.
It’s their call. They can discuss or do the mindless ad hominem game.
I’m surprised Steven Davis hasn’t figured that out.
The Libs on this blog have a proven track record of name calling and trying to out people or insult them.
They have lost all ability to discuss issues.
They have yet to prove it to me.
There is one and only one person responsible.
Notice that though that person has been banned, he only volunteers to leave if a handful of opposing posters also left. And then of course he’d just come back under another nic.
That’s telling.
There are not sufficient posters here with his ideals. SO he invents them. In doing that he admits in a cowardly fashion that his ideals have lost in this arena and his only recourse is to stack the deck or drive opposing posters away.
” will be some scares by the time I’m done.”
That sounds like a threat.
“Just look at Steven Davis useless post about me trying to give some sort of psycho analysis. I’m sure real psychologists are laughing their butts off about now.”
I was not trying to do a psychoanalysis (correct spelling) of you. But in reply to my question, “can you be more than a troll?” – the answer is an obvious and resounding “NO!” – in true ECP fashion. Gotcha.
You can count on me working against you staying here. You are a true troll and have no value at all. There is a part of me that does feel sorry for you. Night, night.
“Do I get down and dirty with them? You bet I do and I usually come out the winner because they can’t take what they dish out.”
Sorry, that is irrefutable proof on how very clueless you are. Good night.
See that “kansas”JM?
You can play at being as many people as you can keep up with. I imagine you already wear out keyboards trying.
But you are in the end. One.
And I think you sense a movement building against your behavior here.
I’ve stood up for the rights of the most controversial posters to be able to post here. But I too am committed to the idea that you either reform or you find some place else to haunt.
This is getting ridiculous. It’s the same old crap from the same retards every night. Guys, I hate to say it, but there are several of you who need to just leave. You don’t bring anything to this blog and nobody has any respect for you. You spend all night on this blog hurling insults behind your anonymous nics like little cowards. If you were real men and you have such built up hatred, you’d settle this like men.
I feel so sorry for you…you obviously don’t have lives and don’t have anybody who cares about you or you wouldn’t be spending most of every night on this stupid blog. What a hopeless lot of nothings you are.
You know who you are. Please for a change do what’s best for everybody. Take what little is left of what passes for you as dignity and just leave.
What a joke you’ve become.
If you mean me XXX, I will respect that. It won’t get rid of the problem. But I’ll do it.
I’ll stop if they stop XXX. But to constantly to refer to me as a troll, I won’t stop.
Their latest tactic instead of “Walk on by” is DNFTT (Do not feed the troll)
They’ve been asked to stop and they won’t.
They got what’s coming to them.
WASHINGTON – While the military “quagmire” in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.
(Story continues below)
But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.
While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year’s 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.
Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.
King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.
Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.
As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.
According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.
While the federal government doesn’t track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.
In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
“While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators,” states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration.” “That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the ‘good’ in we get the ‘bad’ along with them. The question is, how much ‘bad’ is acceptable and at what price?”
Guess the corruption in Iraq is “doubly top secret”, and not subject to congressional oversight.http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071012/pl_nm/iraq_usa_corruption_dc_1;_ylt=AtYYUGG21v0paTblaXWdYPRlM3wV
XXX is correct of course.
I’ve sung this song,but I’ll sing it again’Bout that place that I livedon that wild windy plainIn a month called April,a county called GrayAnd here’s what all of the people there say:
Chorus:So long, it’s been good to know ya;So long, it’s been good to know ya;So long, it’s been good to know ya.But this dusty old dust is a-gettin’ my homeAnd I gotta be driftin’ along.
The dust storm came,it hit like thunderIt dusted us over,it dusted us under;It blocked out the trafficit blocked out the sun,And straight for home all the people did runSingin’…
Chorus:
The sweethearts they sat in the darkand they sparked,They hugged and they kissedin that dusty old dark;They cried and they sighedand they hugged and they kissedBut instead of marriage,they were talkin’ like this:Honey,…
Chorus:
My telephone rangand it jumped off the wall,That was the preachera-makin’ his call.He said, “Kind friends,this may be the endYou’ve got your last chancefor salvation from sin!”
The church it was jammedand the church it was packed,The dusty old dustit blowed so blackThe preacher could not reada word of his text,So he folded his specs,he took up collection,Said…
Chorus:
The above by Woody Guthrie – a proud and honorable communist.
So long.
One last post. When I was in college, some friends and I went to look for Woody Guthrie’s home and grave-site in Okemah, Oklahoma. This was in 1974, or there abouts, we found his home and his grave-site. We also found a sheriff who told us that the Woody Guthrie Memorial Library would never be erected in Okemah because Woody was a communnist.
He was. They were correct in their decision.
Good Night and “it’s been good to know ya.” (well, at times it was).
That’s odd.
There was a post earlier from “kansas”. He said he’d leave this forum if me and Steven and Capn and some others left. It doesn’t seem to be there now though mine and Steven’s references to it remain.
In any case.
“kansas” JM? You win.
When you can be problem enough to get people trying to address that problem blamed for you? When you can turn friend against friend, there’s just no use trying anymore.
I second Steven.
Blogs yours. I’m out.
Honor your commitment and leave too.
I’m waiting on the Capn, age before beauty. :)
It’s still there J R and I will keep my word if the three of you leave, never to come back – I will do the same.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread-1-9.html#comment-86226302
I’ve a better idea.
My “friends” Mary and X, they just want the crap stopped. You’ve placed blackmail in front of them as a solution. Three of their friends go and you go.
Given what you’ve been able to do, I really don’t care. But I wonder if you would respect a democratic decision as opposed to your own personal bent.
Would you put yourself up for sacrifice? Would you ask the forum at large if you should reform or leave?
Folks? Who will he demand next for peace? Why not ask him. He seems to be on a roll.
That’s an interesting request JR… Let’s see where it goes…
“It’s still there J R and I will keep my word if the three of you leave, never to come back – I will do the same.” — Kansas –=========================
Watch out JR… That wasnt what his original challenge was… Go back and read what was posted upthread…. Use his link above…
Wow, immediately out pops a new sock puppet… amazing!!
I’m waiting for his answer.
That is a good catch Chas.
None of the posters he demands to be sacrificed has been banned.
He has.
He got two posters to voluteer to quit if he would. Which of course he won’t.
“Has anyone here actually moved beyond their middle school glory days?
Posted by: KenS | October 12, 2007 at 09:19 PM
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Please note that K(en)S the two capped letters are abbreviation for Kansas… Geez… I dont think there is an answer JR
And the sock puppet ballet takes the stage… Every damned night… All the time!! Sorry excuse for a Blog!!
Wow you are a marvel there “as” “Kansas”
Two posters willing to take YOUR fall and you duck into another nic.
I placed a challenge to them.
You can kibitz all you want, the challenge is there. When the three of you (Steven Davis, Jr and the Capn) leave this blob permanently, I will leave permanently as well.
Take the challenge, if you three are men enough. :)
Diabetics dont do such things as booze… That one either has a bad memory, or doesnt know what it is talking about at all… which is normal for sock puppets!!
Again with assigning as other posters J R. They are not me and I only post under this nic.
So J R, what’s it gonna be. I noticed the Capn has disappeared. Let’s see if he’s man enough for the challenge.
“kansas” issued a demand.
I proposed a challenge.
I’ll leave it to the forum and my “friends”.
Ummm that was NOT your challenge earlier, Kansas… Most interesting how you changed it… to suit your needs of the moment… Such a sad state of affairs…
blob=blog
although today’s post fit under the category of blob. :)
Man up J R, this is a personal conviction and decision.
There are no democracy issues involved. This is mano a mano.
Take the challenge.
I’d like to raise the stakes JM.
Me and you. Leave out my friends. You’ve done enough damage here.
You go I go. Deal?
Ummmm that would be Mano Y Mano… LOL
Kansas how can JR take a challenge that doesnt exist… See, YOU sir have no convictions…
“If the WE Blog bans the Capn, J R and Steven Davis from ever posting again, they can ban me as well.
Is that a deal?”====================KANSAS=======
Thats your original post… NOW you have changed it… So, which one do you want???
Actually no Chas, that’s translates as “hand and hand.” It’s mano a mano.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mano-a-mano
It was a package deal J R – Stop kibitzing and man up.
When you buddies agree, then I’m out of here. They have to man up as well.
Steven Davis may have agreed, hard to tell by his statement.
How’s about it “kansas”?
I lived without this forum for 7 months. YOU begged to be let back on after being banned.
Me for you? I’m game are you?
I don’t care Chas, ban – leave, it’s all the same to me. I give my word, I keep it. If you don’t trust me then ask for a ban for the four of us – not just me.
If those three leave and I will follow – zip! I’m gone. It’s that simple.
As I said J R, it’s a packaged deal.
No kibitzing.
My pal Steven just wnated to give the blog peace. I thought I’d do the same.
Me for you JM?
That Wikipedia link is so funny!!In large print at the top of the page it says:
“This article does not cite any references or sources. (September 2007)Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed.”
You are not worth the trouble you have caused here JM.
I’m giving you a chance to redeem
yourself.
You for me.
And I won’t cheat. I’ve not the experience at it that you do.
So give it some citations and sources Chas. :)
I don’t care Chas, ban – leave, it’s all the same to me. I give my word, I keep it. If you don’t trust me then ask for a ban for the four of us – not just me.
If those three leave and I will follow – zip! I’m gone. It’s that simple.
Posted by: Kansas | October 13, 2007 at 12:07 AM
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Earlier you explicitly said that IF the WE Blog banned JR, CapN, and Steven Davis, then it could ban YOU as well….
BAN does NOT equal LEAVE… Not even in Wikipedia!! LOL
I’ll be around, have other things to do.
Whenever you three decide to “man up” let me know on open forum.
Till then, I’ll be busy doing other things.
I believe word of honor is stronger Chas. Ban means someone has to take the step to write to Phillip Brownlee and he has to agree to do it.
Leaving means you give your word of honor to do just that – leave.
So how about it Chas, your three buddies going to “man up” or not?
You have NO credibility here JM.
Here is your chance to take me out.
One for one. I leave you leave.
JR, it’s obvious why Kansas changed his first statement… He KNOWS WE Blog has no reason to ban JR, CapN, or Steven Davis…
Therefore, he wouldnt be banned either… LOL Very simple… He put up a challenge that he knows cannot happen…
Also, it is most interesting that none of Kansas’ usual allies have been here tonite to defend him… That has to be a bit un-nerving for the Kansas troll… Most interesting day on the ol’Blog…
And so, it is with a heavy heart that I head for bed….
Good Night; Good Luck; and God Bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
How about this “kansas”
You ask XXX and Mary who they want to stay. Then you respect that decision. Seeing as how you are exploiting the trouble you caused.
JR… I have a hunch that Mr. Brownlee might have already had an exchange of opinions with Kansas… Thus, he is now attempting to get three other posters off of the Blog… Only Time will tell for sure…
At least have the dignity to face me with the nic you have been using lately.
OMG… a DEAD sock puppet now shows up… and its not even a full moon yet!! Mercy sakes!!
Arafat has been dead for quite a while… geez…
JR — IF you had my phone number, I could explain to you how the “many nic” master is doing the deed… ok??
People I respect have left Chas.
Because other people I respect asked them to. I am leaving too. I just wanted to play out my case. If JM wishes to negotiate further, I’m open to listening.
Me and you. Me for you
How’s about it JM?
Man up as you say.
You are oh so wise in your technology and little ol’ me enabling you to be such a nuisance.
What or who else do you want?
Get your buddies to man up J R.
No kibitzing.
How about this “kansas”
You ask XXX and Mary who they want to stay. Then you respect that decision. Seeing as how you are exploiting the trouble you caused.
Posted by: J R | October 13, 2007 at 12:19 AM
I’m will not put them in that position,it’s not fair to them.
I’m simply asking J R, Capn and Steven Davis to be men and “man up” to my offer.
If they don’t, that says volumes about them.
After all, they are the “common good” believers.
It’s time to put up or shut up.
You are oh so wise in your technology and little ol’ me enabling you to be such a nuisance.
What or who else do you want?
Posted by: J R | October 13, 2007 at 12:42 AM
I want Capn. I got Steven and I got you. GIVE ME CAPN! and I will go.
What is this, a Harry Potter book?
You really are insane.
This may do you in I hope.
Let’s review.
You are an admitted nuisance here. You will only go away if you can take three in the oppostion with you. That about right?
Oh stealing my own nic now. Nice touch.
We can do this as long as you like.
(:
Making such demands.
I think you owe me an audience JM.
I’d honestly like to put a face with the insanity.
You name the time and place you’d like me to be. I’ll be your puppet. You can make me go there and then you can choose to meet me or not.
INSANE!!STOP IT PEOPLE!!!
Go on puppet master.
Tell me where you want me. I’ll be there. You can laugh derisively at me when you don’t show up.
Good Grief…. I look back here, and the sock puppet ballet is dancing up a storm!!! What rocks do they crawl out of???
can the nic switching JM.
It’s me and you now.
Put me where you want me to be.
You don’t even have to approach. You can spy on me at a distance.
Let me know how you come out, JR… This should be interesting… NOW I am going back to bed… Not because some idiot sock puppet said so, but because I got my fresh tea, and the lights are off… Nite Nite!!
I’ll dance your tune JM.
That is what you want right?
Come on and look at least at a distance on your enemy.
Oh come now JM.
Lateness of hour has never stopped you before.
This is your last chance to “get me”.
After I have got you so many times.
Tell XXX and Mary you got me JM.
Then try and live up to what you promised in exchange for me and Steven.
Oh I’ll be about just as you. But I’ll do it like you do. No friends and no certain nics.
Heheheeh. So glad to know many intelligent bloggers from here are blogging at an undisclosed site. JR, Steven, send me an email and I’ll tell ya where.
It’s interesting to blog with intelligent people, and no trolls allowed. And no, we dont all agree with each other, but we do respect each other.
I say leave this troll infested blog to the wingnuts.
Oh, and if kansas wanted to do “intelligent” blogging, he could always go to town hall, freeperville, etc.
I’m sure they’d just LOVE him there. But since he loves to be hated, I guess, the WE is stuck with him.
See what happens when you let the trolls run the show? We tried to tell ya Phillip back in April…
1. Kansas– I don’t negotiate with terrorists.
2. KSFGrrl– I wanna blog with you guys. waaahh Can I? Can I please?
I’ll e-mail you.
3. KSFGrrl is exactly right. The only people that can do anything about this are the owners of the blog. It is the way it is because of what they do and don’t do.
All they’d have to do is hire some minimum wage high school kid to come on for an hour a day and delete all the troll posts, sock puppet posts, and disruptive personal attacks.
Problem solved.
The fact that they don’t means that it stays the troll magnet is is . . .
And one final thought–
Before the reich-wing starts their whine that “YOU are the worst offender,” let me just say, “fine, pull my posts too.”
I perfectly fine with that. I get posts pulled at Democratic Underground occasionally too when I post there.
That’s why DU is worth reading and this place is just a constant sniping of personalities.
It would be that way if Kansas and JR and Steven and I all left, btw. It’s structured to be that way.
Among the bills flagrantly just signed into law by the subversive Swarzenegger in Californicatia is SBSB777, which bans anything in public schools that could be interpreted as negative toward homosexuality, bisexuality and other alternative sodomy choices. Under this new law, the now obsolete terms “mother” and “father” and “husband” and “wife” will be banned from public schools, unless sodomy is also advocated every time the terms are used, and boys who happen to feel like being a girl on any given day will have free access to girls’ restrooms and locker rooms. Also signed was AB394, which targets parents and teachers for such pro-sodomy indoctrination through “anti-harassment” training, using taxpayer funded propaganda. A parent who says marriage is only for a man and a woman in the presence of a lesbian teacher could be convicted of “harassment,” and a student who believes people are born either male or female could be reported as a “harasser” by a male teacher who wears women’s clothes. Also signed was AB14, which prohibits state funding for any program that does not support a range of sodomite sexual practices, including state-funded social services run by churches. Exemptions for churches and religious organizations and private day cares and hospitals under these new laws, if any, are obviously going to be quickly nullified by leftist, activist judges. Home schooling might soon be the only decent option left in Californicatia, if that, other than moving out of the state.Concerned parents fear a possible horrifying nationwide impact on public schools, a.k.a. sodomy indoctrination centers for kids (SICK), prompting the long-anticipated mass exodus from public school systems by Christians and conservatives, particularly when new textbooks and required reading lists are next issued.Now’s the time to be demanding those school vouchers, so that parents can choose to direct the tax money allocated for their children’s education into private and religious schools and home schools which are exempt from such immoral mandates as SB777 – at least, outside of Californicatia.Kansas will get the pro-sodomy mandate, too, unless Bilious Sebelius can be ousted from office before the end of this year.
Parkay this happened when my grandchildren were in Oregon schools and then again in Colorado Springs, CO schools. Because they could no longer afford private schools my son and his wife are now home schooling. Their 3 children are a joy to be around – intelligent, eager to help out, very respectful – how refreshinging. The fact that they pay lots of taxes rankles when they have no say over the public school agenda that just wasn’t right for their kids.
WAH! WAH! WAH!
What’s the matter parkay; insecure in your sexuality unless the State backs you up?