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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Oct. 11, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1026419120071010?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Jimmy Carter calls Cheney a “disaster” for U.S.
Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:42pm EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter on Wednesday denounced Vice President Dick Cheney as a “disaster” for the country and a “militant” who has had an excessive influence in setting foreign policy.
“He’s a militant who avoided any service of his own in the military and he has been most forceful in the last 10 years or more in fulfilling some of his more ancient commitments that the United States has a right to inject its power through military means in other parts of the world,” Carter told the BBC World News America in an interview to air later on Wednesday.
“You know he’s been a disaster for our country,” Carter said. “I think he’s been overly persuasive on President George Bush and quite often he’s prevailed.”
Carter, a Democrat who was president from 1977 to 1981 and won the 2002 Nobel Peace prize for his charitable work, is a strong critic of the Iraq war and has often been outspoken in his criticism of President George W. Bush.
In a newspaper interview in May, Carter called the Bush administration the “worst in history” in international relations.
*****
Nobel Prize winners and thinking people everywhere agree:
Bush is the Worst. President. Ever.
Which is worse for America: bush or terrorists?
Posted by: i’d say bush
Good ol’ Jimmy Carter. He’s the one who brought back microbrews.
I thought Bush is in cahoots with the terrorists…
I was not to kind to carter when he was President, his giving back the Panama canal and all.I had not respect for him until I watch a history of the man, honorable service in the Submarine fleet.So thing the article failed to mention though, Carter recounted when he and Roslyn were on the dais at bush’s first swearing in. Bush asked if there was anything he could do for the former President and Carter said yes aid the Sudan. Bush kept his promise to work for the Carter cause of Sudan.
As to Cheney, this is news?
Cheney is Nixon without the charm.
The Big Dick recognized that he couldn’t be president on his own and found Shrub’s aw-shucks-ism would appeal to the Limbaugh-tomized Masses.
Our first clue should have been when Dumbya assigned Big Dick to select his running mate in 2000. Cheney said he looked high and low and there was no one in America better than he.
Oh what will the Republican talking points be for today? You have to listen to Rush to get the Republican talking points! If you miss Rush today, listen to Beck, Hannity, Boortz, Medved or Ingrham tomorrow as all of them just repeat what Rush will say today.
What do you want a bet that the Religious Right Nutcase Club will soon come around and support Rudy? Despite the fact that they are griping and bitching, I bet they will. They are used to being treated like a prison bitch by the GOP who only shows up to them at election time and talk about “family values” and then ignore them the rest of the year! So now we will see if they really will support a two timing liar that has been divorced 3 times, dresses in drag, marches in gay parades and supports abortion on demand and gay rights. My bet is that they will because with these people, it was never about “God” or “Jesus” but their own bloody political agenda.
British Court Rules Al Gore Film Exaggerated Climate Claims
In what is a rare judicial ruling on what children can see in the class-room, Justice Barton was at pains to point out that the “apocalyptic vision” presented in the film was politically partisan and not an impartial analysis of the science of climate change.“It is now common ground that it is not simply a science film – although it is clear that it is based substantially on scientific research and opinion – but that it is a political film.”foxnews
Pentagon: Military Meets Recruitment Goals for the Year
“WASHINGTON — All branches of the Armed Forces met or exceeded their recruitment goals for the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, and the Army expects to accelerate its expansion in the next two years, top brass at the Pentagon announced Wednesday.
David Chu, undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, told reporters that the Army recruited 80,407 new soldiers this year, exceeding its goal of 80,000. The Navy recruited 37,361 just over its goal of 37,000; the Marines recruited 35,603, skimming the top of its 35,576 objective. The Air Force exactly met its new enlistment rate of 27,801.” fox news
Study: Common Ancestor of All Apes Walked Upright
Wednesday, October 10, 2007
By Charles Q. Choi
The ancestors of humanity are often depicted as knuckle-draggers, making humans seem unusual in our family tree as “upright apes.”
Controversial research now suggests the ancestors of humans and the other great apes might have actually walked upright too, making knuckle-walking chimpanzees and gorillas the exceptions and not the rule.
In other words, “the other great apes we see now, such as chimps or gorillas or orangutans, might have descended from human-like ancestors,” researcher Aaron Filler, a Harvard-trained evolutionary biologist and medical director at Cedars-Sinai Institute for Spinal Disorders in Los Angeles, told LiveScience. fox news
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php#raise_taxes
Won’t this raise my taxes?
Currently, about 64% of our health care system is financed by public money: federal and state taxes, property taxes and tax subsidies. These funds pay for Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, coverage for public employees (including teachers), elected officials, military personnel, etc. There are also hefty tax subsidies to employers to help pay for their employees’ health insurance. About 17% of heath care is financed by all of us individually through out-of-pocket payments, such as co-pays, deductibles, the uninsured paying directly for care, people paying privately for premiums, etc. Private employers only pay 19% of health care costs. In all, it is a very “regressive” way to finance health care, in that the poor pay a much higher percentage of their income for health care than higher income individuals do.
A universal public system would be financed this way: The public financing already funneled to Medicare and Medicaid would be retained. The difference, or the gap between current public funding and what we would need for a universal health care system, would be financed by a payroll tax on employers (about 7%) and an income tax on individuals (about 2%). The payroll tax would replace all other employer expenses for employees’ health care. The income tax would take the place of all current insurance premiums, co-pays, deductibles, and any and all other out of pocket payments. For the vast majority of people a 2% income tax is less than what they now pay for insurance premiums and in out-of-pocket payments such as co-pays and deductibles, particularly for anyone who has had a serious illness or has a family member with a serious illness. It is also a fair and sustainable contribution. Currently, over 41 million people have no insurance and thousands of people with insurance are bankrupted when they have an accident or illness. Employers who currently offer no health insurance would pay more, but they would receive health insurance for the same low rate as larger firms. Many small employers have to pay 25% or more of payroll now for health insurance – so they end up not having insurance at all. For large employers, a payroll tax in the 7% range would mean they would pay less than they currently do (about 8.5%). No employer, moreover, would hold a competitive advantage over another because his cost of business did not include health care. And health insurance would disappear from the bargaining table between employers and employees.
Another consideration is that everyone would have the same comprehensive health coverage, including all medical, hospital, eye care, dental care, long-term care, and mental health services. Currently, many people and businesses are paying huge premiums for insurance that is almost worthless if they were to have a serious illness.
Army offers big cash to keep key officersRetention especially important in military intelligence, infantry and aviation
“The Army is offering cash bonuses of up to $35,000 to retain young officers serving in key specialties — including military intelligence, infantry and aviation — in an unprecedented bid to forestall a critical shortage of officer ranks that have been hit hard by frequent deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Army officials said that lengthy and repeated war-zone tours — the top reason younger officers leave the service — plus the need for thousands of new officers as the Army moves forward with expansion plans have contributed to a projected shortfall of about 3,000 captains and majors for every year through 2013.” MSNBC
Won’t this raise my taxes?Posted by: annie moose | October 11, 2007 at 07:20 AM
You bet your buttery, buttermilk biscuits it will and by quite a bit.
True conservative
One thing about right-wingers — they’ll provide no end of entertainment if one studies them closely. Witness their fawning over the entry of Fred “Revolving D.C. Door” Thompson into the presidential race as a “conservative.” It just illustrates how eager they are to be deceived.
There is exactly one genuinely pro-life, constitutional-government, low-tax, secure-borders, gun-rights, national-sovereignty, sound-money — and apparently incorruptible — Republican candidate running for president. In short, he is everything “conservatives” say they want, and nothing they say they don’t want. By “genuinely,” I mean as shown by his record of public acts, not by what his handlers tell him is the “right” rhetoric for the crowd to which he’s speaking that night.
His name is Ron Paul. And about this single truly conservative candidate, the silence on the right is positively deafening. I find it quite illuminating.
CHUCK KRIEL
Wichita
I could not agree more…
“The Army is offering cash bonuses of up to $35,000 to retain young officers ”
Won’t this raise our taxes?
Nah.
The Bush gov’t just issues more bonds. “Just charge it.”
Looks like another report has been issued regarding biofuels and water quantity and quality.
How’s that going for you all down in Wichita?
http://www.midwestcoop.net/index.aspx?ascxid=fpQfStory&fpsid=30383&fpstid=1
What’s this? The MARINES want out of iraq?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21245930/
In other words, “the other great apes we see now, such as chimps or gorillas or orangutans, might have descended from human-like ancestors,” researcher Aaron Filler, a Harvard-trained evolutionary biologist and medical director at Cedars-Sinai Institute for Spinal Disorders in Los Angeles, told LiveScience. fox news
Posted by: Kansas | October 11, 2007 at 07:20 AM
Hmmmm…. Devolution? Another, we really don’t know- evolution is just our best guess that doesn’t include God- moment.
Here’s another. Remember how the appendix was theorized by Darwin and evolutionists a vestigial organ that proved Darwinian evolution since it no longer had a purpose as man evolved? Not so. Check this out:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/10/05/appendix.purpose.ap/
The human body like all higher mammals has a host of vestigial structures. A structure like an appendix can be both vestigial (in that it doesn’t do what it used to do) and functional (in that it plays some new role).
Other vestigial structures are the non-functioning tear duct in our eyes, the non-functioning salivary glands in our lips, and the third molar, which is getting smaller and more deformed as the generation pass.
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The Eagle is truly blessed with the talents of Richard Crowson. He nailed it again.
I saw Max the other night. He was wondering if there wasn’t some sort of way we on the left and right could agree.
Well, there isn’t. And the posters on the right have demonstrated in spades here as to why.
I begin to think we are different species, us liberals from the conservatives. I think ultimately we must come to blows.
And the really scary thing is? I can’t wait for it.
Posted by: J R | October 10, 2007 at 11:50 PM
There’s no compromising with these kind of political anti-democratic terrorists.
They can only be crushed by any means necessary.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 11, 2007 at 12:43 AM
Says a lot about the Libs, or does it?
Are these 2 guys typical of most Libs?
Scary.
Yeah, kind of like that Lib councilman in NY that dropped 16 F bombs in a row in a temper tantrum with a camera rolling.
unlike cheney, who dropped the f bomb, directed at another senator, on the senate floor.
How’s about a little context there Max?
Those posts are from the thread concerning the Republican coordinated attack on a child!
You COULD have posted on that thread. But you chose intellectual ambiguity. One could even say dishonesty.
And you want me to make nice with you?
I’ll think I’ll start on the Les stuff, since ksfarmgrrl finds no limits where she and her friends can abuse.
Everything is fair and out in the open right? So I can play smack down on dykes right?
That okay with you kfg? Since you appear to be judgmental on anything Christian, disabled or conservative.
We’ll just hose (make that vibrating hose) down the androgynes with their on curdled up juices.
Gosh is this from our own pointy headed Tyler Durden? Heheheheh!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×2019442
Melting down already Kansas? Or is this just a continuation of last night’s binge.
I wonder if that “accident” or “disability” had anything to do with alcohol abuse?
just asking…
Bring it kansas. There is nothing vile you havent ALREADY said. In fact, I think the “les” stuff got you banned one Saturday morning.
I hear bells. More gay athiest angels getting their wings. Keep posting son. WE need the angels.
What’s taken out of context on your quote above JR? Or Capn’s? Or were you just being FIGURATIVE?Strange choice of words.
You want to have a physical fight with conservatives.
Capn wants to crush conservatives by any means necessary.
And so if a Conservative said something similar like:
“I think we should destroy all the Libs”, then that would be OK?
“Make nice with you”? I never said that. I thought maybe there was a chance of having a rational discussion with you and others of your kind. I was wrong.
Did you shave this morning kfg or is that moustache always there?
Ohhhhhhh. OUCH.
SNAP ks, is that the best you can do? I think tippy already tried that one.
Hehehehhe……
Just like the marines, leave the hard work to the Army! Semper Fi, anybody?
Ah come on Kansas, don’t drop to their level.
IF JR and Capn are representative of all Libs who post here, we’ll find out soon, if we don’t already know.
IF there are some rational Libs on this blog, they may call out JR and Capn for their advocation of violence.
IF the rest of the Libs are fine with having violent threats thrashed around from the Left, then we know there is one radical gang of Libs on this Blog. And that means there will be much more flyover territory on this blog.
Doesn’t mean we can’t keep communicating conservative ideas Kansas. It just means there’s no point in responding to certain individuals anymore, and that will save much time.
Yep, I was right. Got anything original ks?
“Keep puffing on the bong, farmgirl.snipPuff…..puff…..puffShit it’s getting smoky in here.Did you catch your mustache on fire?Posted by: GSheridan | February 12, 2007 at 04:36 PM
Just keepin’ your threads sorted out for ya Maxie. Since you seem to have some difficulty there.
WOW “kansas”! you REALLY sharpend your darts today!
Aren’t you supposed to be staying away from sharp things?
IF there are some rational Libs on this blog, they may call out JR and Capn for their advocation of violence. Posted by: Max | October 11, 2007 at 10:26 AM
They haven’t yet Max. The Fisters ran off crying from the WE blog about 7 months ago and came back with their tails between their legs because Brownlee wouldn’t bow down to their demands.
I took them to task and they didn’t like the medicine they had to swallow when they got some of their own doings so they went a whining.
They can deal it out, but apparently that large yellow stripe down their collective backs can’t take it. :)
I’m a little befudeled by Max’s sudden call for civility.
I’m pretty sure it was him who thought and posted that a pit bull attacking my 70 year old mother was funny. Huh.
“They haven’t yet Max. The Fisters ran off crying from the WE blog about 7 months ago and came back with their tails between their legs because Brownlee wouldn’t bow down to their demands.”
HEE HEE HEE HEEEWEEEEEEE!
There are so many lies in that statement, I wont even use the bandwidth. Suffice to say that anyone who was reading or posting here knows what went on.
And kansas, for the record, I dont think any of the “fisters” (he does fixate on that term, no?) have been banned for their postings.
And you?
Well kfg, we all know you have a hardon for GSheridan, it’s quite obvious to everyone here.
Maybe you should wear more dresses, everytime you bend over your neighbors complain about the “cavern” releasing ill winds.
None of the Fisters were ever banned because no one complained about them to Brownlee. We are not a bunch of ever-whining crybabies like the Capn and Steven Davis, who go running to blog mama when they get their nose bloodied.
It is waaayyy too early for the troll to get on a roll. It must be drinking early today.
Remember: DNFTT
Oh SNAP. Another mortal wound. :)
You gotta keep trying troll boy. I’m gonna make you EARN your food today.
Can I borrow a dress from you?
There’s one the biggest cry babies on the blog, Steven Davis. He constantly emails blog mama when he gets his feelings hurt. He even has the emails to prove his whining.
I think it is an ongoing binge Steven. I bet I can melt him down to the point he gets banned again.
Uh, no kansas, he has the emails to PROVE YOU’RE LYING!
But please, feel free to continue your meltdown. Larned aint half full…
Can I borrow a dress from you?
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | October 11, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Sure thing,but it has to be pants… but I don’t have anything that can fit a double wide.
Do you wear warning flags on those trousers or are those orange pylons in your pockets?
…and kansas, why are you so fixated on fisting? Unmet desire? Or just purient interest?
I think bush would approve of these interrogation practices.”You are no longer monks,” Myanmar prisoners told By Aung Hla Tun
Thu Oct 11, 7:36 AM ET
YANGON (Reuters) – Hundreds of Buddhist monks rounded up by Myanmar’s junta were beaten and kept in animal-like conditions without toilets or drinking water during days of interrogation, one of those freed said on Thursday.
ADVERTISEMENT”At the beginning it was very, very bad,” one recently released monk told Reuters, requesting anonymity because of the threat of repercussions against those who speak out against the regime, the latest face of 45 years of unbroken military rule.
Caged for more than a week at a former Government Technical Institute compound in north Yangon, the monks — revered figures in the devoutly Buddhist nation — were stripped of their maroon monastic robes and treated like common criminals.
“When one of us used a pronoun referring to himself as a monk, he was slapped,” the monk said. “Then an interrogator said: ‘You are no longer a monk. You are just an ordinary man with a shaven head.”‘
The monks, mostly young men whom the army sees as the biggest threat to its iron grip on power because of their moral authority, were packed into rooms so tightly they could not lie down, let alone sleep, in the sweltering monsoon season heat.
For days, they had no toilet, nowhere to wash their hands, and were forced to scoop up slops of barely cooked rice with their bare hands.
“We had no spoons or forks so we had to eat with our fingers,” said the monk, who spent 10 days in the makeshift detention centre. “The food was horrible.”
At times during the relentless barrage of questioning to identify ringleaders of the biggest anti-junta protests in 20 years, the monks were forced to put their hands on their heads and squat while their inquisitors remained seated on chairs.
Those who gave wrong or inadequate answers were hit about the head or kicked, the monk said.
There was no medical treatment, he added, for those hurt during interrogation or during the nocturnal raids on Yangon monasteries in the final week of September, the first wave of a ruthless and clinical response to the demonstrations.
Through its rigidly controlled state media, the junta admits 10 people were killed in the crackdown, although Western governments say the toll is likely to be much higher.
The monk’s testimony tallies with other accounts of abuse of detainees, including the reported death in custody of a member of the opposition near the former Burma’s second city of Mandalay.
The Thailand-based Assistance Association for Political Prisoners (AAPPB), a group of former detainees with extensive contacts, said on Wednesday 42-year-old Win Shwe had died “as a result of torture during interrogation.”
As the junta continued to arrest dissidents, official papers accused foreign governments — essentially the United States and Britain — and media of stirring up the protests, which started in mid-August against shock increases in fuel prices.
“Stooges of foreign countries, neglecting the national prestige and integrity, put on a play written by their foreign masters,” the official New Light of Myanmar said.
Oh I wanna help!
Don’t make me go in the closet and bonedig some of your greatest spits “kansas” JM REpublicankhan
Ya know kansas, to paraphrase Churchill….
I can diet. But you cant fix stupid. And if I lose weight tomorrow, you will STILL be stupid.
Heheheh. And you will STILL be on welfare….
Your side is the one that called itself Fisters, Fists of something or other, not me.
Evidently you have a lot of experience in that department as you keep referring to it. You up to what, four or five now?
Knock yerself out JR. Considering the volume of his idiotic spews, it shouldnt take too long….
Stupid better than armadillo ugly.
“Your side is the one that called itself Fisters”
Please post a link. YOU coined that phrase. So post a link to where ANY of us called ourselves “fisters”.
You wouldnt be LYING about that, now would ya?
(heee hee heee. can you see the meltdown coming?)
J R, you are purely amateur, don’t even try. The last ones that tried, ran from the blog screaming and crying. Capn and Steven Davis are still wiping the tears away.
Kansas, wwjcf?
Who would jesus call fisters?
Funny, I still see Capn and Steven posting?
Another lie about folks who run away crying?
WWJLA?
Who would jesus lie about?
Actually it was fleettwood or SOB that coined that phrase, don’t remember. But it was perfect for the self-indulging blogladytes.
Yep. “I wanna go home with the armadillos, music from amarillo…”
I bet he doesnt watch public tv. Just fisting porn…
How’s that cafe coming kfg? Oops! my bad!
TThe “fisters”?
Oh they missed some of your greatest moments “kansas”.
Like the time you ranted in pirate lingo for more than 3 hours about how the mean libs were trying to get you baned?
Ya can’t beat the classics. I’m gonna go find that or something better.
Ah the pirate routine and you actually fell for it. So easy…
Are these 2 guys typical of most Libs?Scary.Posted by: Max
Did Capt really post what you re-posted? Something about bring on the war? I thought he was against war?
I saw this coming when the first map of the US came out with the Red and Blue states.
Maybe it is time for another civil war. Only this time it will not be the Blue and Grey.
I know this polarized country can’t last. 51-49 percent back and forth, will never unit us. I wonder if our congress is as bitter as during the civil war? As divided?
Imagine if people here in the midwest, bright people, nice people, from the good country, cannot get along – what’s happening elsewhere?
I’ll never convert. Capt America will never convert and is calling for war. Maybe it is time.
Which state will secede first? Will it be a red or a blue?
Kansas, I closed the cafe of my own free will so I could concentrate on farming. But since it’s been posted here multiple times, I guess you just missed it? Heheheheheh.
And STILL I’m not supporting myself on the public dime.
And you?
unit = unite
Did someone say succession?
A reminder from yesterday…
Dear Red States…
We’ve decided we’re leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we’re taking the other Blue States with us.
In case you aren’t aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.
To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.
We get 85 percent of America’s venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the
Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a
bunch of single moms.
Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and
anti-war, and we’re going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at
once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have
kids they’re apparently willing to send to their deaths for no
purpose, and they don’t care if you don’t show pictures of their
children’s caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and
hope that the WMDs turn up, but we’re not willing to spend our
resources in Bush’s Quagmire.
With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country’s fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95 percent of America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale,
Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. YOU GET KANSAS!!!
Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and…
61 percent of you crazy b*****ds believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.
By the way, we’re taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt
weed they grow in Mexico.
Peace out,
Blue States
I seem to remember a few months back Kansas calling XXX a baby killer, Stealing JM Walkers Nic, and trashing Raptor for his participation in the patriot guard calling him a ghoul. And how his Kansas a conservative when he lives off the government teet?
Hey ks, how’s that internet business going? I see they stopped you from posting the porn spam.
Was any of it about fisting? Did you report your internet income to the welfare folks so they could reduce your benefits?
IIRC, you posted that you have TWO health insurance policies? So… how can you be that wealthy and STILL be on disablility income?
Or is that just a benefit reserved for you and germie?
Hypocrisy, thy name is….
Hey Blue States,
You got nothing after the oceans rise 20 ft.
I thought that wasnt happening in your world, rfl.
You cant have it both ways, I guess, unless you live in the land of denial…
By the way, we’re taking the good pot, too. Posted by: ksfarmgrrl
Obviously you’ve already been smoking some this. Probably home grown right off your farm.
I did see this the other day. Didn’t think you were serious or believed it so I didn’t comment.
I’ll vote yes to form a new red union, even if your stats are one percent factual (your jokes and bad-mouthing are not). It is a matter of personal beliefs and what one stands for. Let’s do it!
How soon are you all leaving Kansas?
Kansas must have finally passed out. Maybe he wouldnt NEED all those welfare benefits if he didnt spend all his money on substances that are easily abused?
Oh, there he is. New nic?
It was good “christian” Hank that posted porn links on this very blog
Hey Blue States,You got nothing after the oceans rise 20 ft.Posted by: rfl
That’s right rfl.
They also get the terrorist nuke. The bad guys won’t waste it on some hick town down south. I’d guess CA or NY.
BTW, where are OUR nukes?
Typical Heevie,
Insults – no substance.
Posted by: Republikhan | March 10, 2007 at 01:33 PM
Here, “kansas” in a previous nics, is addressing a half Jewish poster. He eventually drove that poster away.
Ladies and gentleman I give you “kansas”/Republikhan
count 1 Bigot
Please see the following quotes from Dickens, Marx, and Lincoln:
“The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states.”–Charles Dickens, 1862.
“The war between the North and the South is a tariff war. The war is further, not for any principle, does not touch the question of slavery, and in fact turns on the Northern lust for sovereignty.”–Karl Marx, 1861.
When asked “Why not let the South go in peace?” President Abraham Lincoln replied: “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?”
Nice post kfg, guess you’ll have to contend with that Republican Governor of California though.
Course, Hollyfornia will running low on water once Arizona shuts off the spigot.
Oh and don’t forget that one of the largest debt in the world is in Hollyfornia. They are so far in the red even a check from Bill Gates wouldn’t make the edges turn pink.
When that big North to South big one comes along the San Andreas fault, you going to rename Hollyfornia east and West? The new Grand Canyon? The “Great Ditch of the West?”
Course, with Michigan and New York, you’ll have one of the largest Muslim populations on this side of the pond – hope you are in to foot washing and praying five times a day. I suggest buying a prayer rug now to save on cost overhead charges.
Now that the blue states have formed a more perfect Onion, you can get that nanny care you’ve been whining about. Of course after taxes, you’ll be able to pull down about 30 percent of your gross income to go out and buy..er something less than what you are used to.
I guess we’ll be liking our oil refineries and gas storage. Might just keep that for ourselves, unless you’re willing to pay about oh let’s say 600 percent of the normal premium, plus the import tax we would charge you.
Then there would be that no flight zone from NY to Hollyfornia, lot of Interceptor bases between here and there. Sorry, no truck transport, since the majority of the highway system will be ours, we just can’t have any NY or Hollyfornia trucks stinking up our roads.
By the way, that Mexican super highway through Arizona should be complete any day now. Just thought we let you know you’ll be having about 30 million new guests arriving.
It was good “christian” Hank that posted porn links on this very blog
Posted by: Rev Jim | October 11, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Now I was away for awhile. But I am highly inclined to doubt this.
trashing Raptor for his participation in the patriot guard calling him a ghoul.
That wasn’t me and Brownlee removed the post. You can write him and ask him about that.
It was one of the regular Lib posters and he knows who it was.
Ladies and gentleman I give you “kansas”/Republikhan
count 1 BigotPosted by: J R | October 11, 2007 at 11:12 AM
I’ve held my tongue long enough. J R you promote nothing on this blog except hate.
You bragged about saving the world. But who is going to save you from yourself?
You announced your return with grandeur.
And for what? To tear into other posters and actually state that you do so “for fun”?
You are a sick person and a sad representative of some of the posters on this blog.
At least someone gave you that thar spell-checker thingamabob.
Oh it’s true JR. It was the website on his nic for a while, until someone busted him on it.
I see that “Heebie Jeebie” no longer posts, guess all that pork got to him or his liver was rotting out from drinking too much.
Pat holding her tongue?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
All you cons promoting the “socialism meme” need to read this.
And you need to also know, we are not afraid of your boogy man made of straw.
EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why ‘Socialism’ Evokes No Fear
Posted on Oct 11, 2007By Joe Conason
Once among the most frightening epithets in American political culture, “socialized medicine” seems to have lost its juju. Today that phrase sounds awfully dated, like a song on a gramophone or a mother-in-law joke or a John Birch Society rant against fluoridated water.
Yet despite that antique quality, the old buzzwords appear regularly in columns, press releases and speeches. Rudolph Giuliani, Mitt Romney and the rest of the Republican presidential pack run around squawking about socialism whenever anyone proposes health care reform. Syndicated columnist Robert Novak warns that the federally financed, state-run Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) is essentially a socialist conspiracy. So does President Bush, who has threatened to veto a modest increase in that program’s funding because he doesn’t want to “federalize health care.”
Although the red threat still triggers an autonomic reaction among GOP true believers, the rest of the country no longer twitches to that high-pitched, far-right whistle. Most polls not only show enormous majorities favoring extension of coverage to every child, but substantial support for a radical change in how we pay and administer health insurance—including the possibility of a single-payer system.
Why doesn’t the traditional propaganda work any more? Perhaps the demise of the Soviet Union and the withering of Communism in China have had a delayed effect on public attitudes here. Both the Russians and the Chinese have turned more capitalist than the West, abandoning their former systems without substituting modern protections. The ex-Communists are more of a threat to the health of their own societies than to us. Most Americans may also have noticed that corporate bureaucracy and corruption, which figure largely in the present health care system, are not preferable to government bureaucracy. Doctors who used to wail about the dangers of Medicare have learned how unpleasant it is to deal with dozens of insurance companies, each creating different rules to cut costs and deny care. So have their patients.
This corporate model is more expensive and less efficient than the government plans that provide care in every other industrialized nation. ……(more)
The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20071011_why_social... /
Hank did have a porn link up accidentally when he didn’t check the url he made up for his typepad account.
I thought kfg was a friend of Hank’s. Oh well, so much for personal relationships when they conflict with liberal politics.
I guess we’ll be liking our oil refineries and gas storage. Posted by: Kansas
We will be drilling in Alaska too Kansas. I’ll bet we can buy all the pineapple we want with just a few of those barrels.
You’ve a nerve Pat.
Almost every post you make is directed at me. It’s flattering……….it may even be love. But it doesn’t add much here.
Sounds like the Hank thing was true but accidental. Let the record show I give the benfit of the doubt since I’ve no first hand knowledge.
But it doesn’t add much here.Posted by: J R
I am only a reflection of you you. Look in the mirror.
Save the world.
I thought kfg was a friend of Hank’s. Oh well, so much for personal relationships when they conflict with liberal politics.
Posted by: outlander | October 11, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Hank’s a good man. He’s given kfg many a compliment, stood up for her, beside her and thrashed a few people for picking on her.
So you are exactly right outlander, kfg doesn’t have the sense God gave a goose to know what a friend she had. She’ll pee on anyone that gets in the way of her politics, the hell with friendship.
“Oh it’s true JR. It was the website on his nic for a while, until someone busted him on it.”
What about that post indicates I’m not Hank’s friend? It is a statement of fact, not a criticism.
So… friends cant disagree? Woof outie. Thanks for clearing that up.
Off to do just that now Pat.
I was just putting on my cape. Thanks for ironing it for me. Could you please stop leaving dead birds on my porch though?
Up Up And AWAYYYYYY
Oh PUL-EEEEEEZE! Hank’s flamed me and mine too. But I’m not whining about it.
Again, please repost what was unfriendly about my post concerning Hank’s porn link.
A little over sensitive are we?
To demonstrate my fairness even when it doesn’t support my own position, the below link shows a series of maps reflecting various methods of ‘dividing” the red from the blue.
Even though the red may have a disadvantage, I’d still vote for the split.
However, we will not be able to divide along all these lines. I believe the blue people will just have to move to states that are blue.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/
Anybody want to do a bonedig for the repeated posts by Kansas that he would “reform” and stop making personal attacks?
That ought to add to the number of posts on this thread today.
“Ah come on Kansas, don’t drop to their level.”
Max, Kansas set the level in his previous incarnation.
Cool. Does that mean the red people also have to move to the blue states? You can have ahhhhnold.
Sorry, I meant “red people move to the red states”.
Rox, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is funnier on this blog than watching kansas disavow his own behavior….
“To tear into other posters and actually state that you do so “for fun”?”
Kansas to a T.
Could you please stop leaving dead birds on my porch though?Up Up And AWAYYYYYY
Hey Jr, I do NOT kill birds. I’ll have you know I feed them thank-you very much. Just took down the six count-them six hummingbird feeders. The little illegals are heading back south now.
And I do not have a picture of you with the up – away guy.
You look more like the japanese fella on the Monday night Hero’s show.
Yes, Kansas definitely adds a touch of comedic quality to the blog. Probably not the type of funny he’s hoping for though.
Who is Hsu? I hardly knew him!
Bill Clinton signed sax of disgraced fundraiser Norman Hsu
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Thursday, October 11th 2007, 4:00 AM
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Print Email Suggest a Story
WASHINGTON – Disgraced Democratic moneyman Norman Hsu was so in tune with Bill and Hillary Clinton, the ex-President apparently signed his sax.
According to search warrants released by prosecutors Wednesday, FBI agents grabbed hundreds of bottles of pricey wine and “one saxophone autographed by a former President of the United States.”
Agents found the gold-plated horn – worth about $1,100 in music stores – in the living room of Hsu’s swank SoHo loft.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/10/11/2007-10-11_bill_clinton_signed_sax_of_disgraced_fun-1.html
IF there are some rational Libs on this blog, they may call out JR and Capn for their advocation of violence.
Posted by: Max | October 11, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Max, I’m not going to call them out. In fact, I’m pleasantly surprised! I’ve always thought Libs were a little long on mouth and short on balls. Looks like I may be wrong.
Lose the phony outrage.
Capn, JR, let me hold your jackets.
“Probably not the type of funny he’s hoping for though.”
We really should buy him, and all his nics, a dictionary with the word “irony” in it.
H before I. He’ll find “irony” near “hypocrisy”.
Libs believe in Free Speech Right?
“So, is it now not only verboten to express anti-terrorist sentiments at YouTube, but also to point out new procedures implemented by the portal to block such videos from being posted? Stay tuneAnother Conservative Blogger Banned By YouTubeNewsBusters”
However, if you are a terrorist supporting network…
YouTube Deepens Commercial Relationship with Al Jazeera.
Al Jazeera signed a commercial agreement with Google last week to share advertising revenue on their YouTube channel. The channel originally launched in April 2007. TechCrunch==============================PRESIDENTIAL CHEATING SCANDAL! ALLEGED AFFAIR COULD WRECK JOHN EDWARDS’ CAMPAIGN BID
Presidential candidate John Edwards is caught in a shocking mistress scandal that could wreck his campaign, The NATIONAL ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.
Sources have come forward to charge that the “other woman” previously worked on Edwards’ campaign and followed the 54-year-old candidate on trips across the U.S.
A source close to the woman, whose name is being withheld by The NATIONAL ENQUIRER, says that she confessed to having an affair in phone calls and emails, saying that her work with Edwards soon exploded into romance. The shocking allegation — if proven true — could devastate the Democratic hopeful’s campaign, especially because John’s devoted wife Elizabeth is locked in a desperate battle with breast cancer.
“The affair started about 18 months ago,” a friend says the woman confessed to her. “When they met at a bar, sparks flew immediately. “She never expected it would turn sexual since John is married and is running for President. But it soon did — and she fell for him.”
The New Crusade. Blue States to side with Muslims, Red States to Side with Christians:
Muslims Leaders Warn Pope ‘Survival of World’ at StakeThursday, October 11, 2007
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The “survival of the world” is at stake if Muslims and Christians do not make peace with each other, leaders of the Muslim world will warn the Pope and other Christian leaders today.
In an unprecedented open letter signed by 138 leading scholars from every sect of Islam, the Muslims plead with Christian leaders “to come together with us on the common essentials of our two religions” and spell out the similarities between passages of the Bible and the Koran.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301116,00.html
So… where are those pictures the White House has of the preznit posing with Jack Abramhoff? Mark Foley? Larry Craig?
heheheheh. Hypocrisy, thy name is…
I see max is still dragging nothings with him. That’s okay, max, rush would be so proud of you, he might even take your phone call.
I don’t care what one may think or believe, but it does seem discouraging that this thread is devolving into a flame war so early in the day.
I would like to ask all reasonable people, this doesn’t need to happen, does it?
Cue Rodney King video… Just kidding on that one, I think we can post and still consider others wrong, but not resort to flaming attacks.
Is this the same National Enquirer that routinely accuses Bush of sleeping with Condi?
“The NATIONAL ENQUIRER has learned exclusively”
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you find that article right next to the one that says “aliens fathered george bush”?
The national enquirer. Heheheheh. Like I said, you just cant make this stuff up.
And max, there is no mention of blue states in your article.
“The New Crusade. Blue States to side with Muslims, Red States to Side with Christians”
But nice try at the swipe. We are amused, and we do encourage you to try again.
Lie much?
S Davis -
I understand your sentiments (boy, do I), but you might not want to get too close to this one. The mud’s gonna be flying fast and furious, in both directions.
Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. And I don’t think any of the participants here have much discretion.
“The New Crusade. Blue States to side with Muslims, Red States to Side with Christians:”
Posted by max.
I can’t resist this one:Max, you panned me about my suggestion in getting the middle east, as well as all other countries of interest, involved in diplomacy in figuring out the problems there.
Now you pan arab and muslim leaders for trying to do the same thing, and you come up with more tripe to”prove” your point?
Your pan should read: blue staters side with peace; red starter side with death and destruction.
You are one sick neo-con.
hehehe . . . quoting the national enquirer is kinda like quoting bush; you really have to stretch the imagination in any attempt to believe either.
Ya got it goin’ on, kansas . . . hehehehe.
IF there are some rational Libs on this blog, they may call out JR and Capn for their advocation of violence.
Posted by: Max | October 11, 2007 at 10:26 AM
XXX, I have to agree with you. Until those on the other side agree to call out their own, I don’t intend to either.
When the time comes that I feel someone on my side needs to be told they’ve over-stepped the bounds of civility more than others, I’ll let them know privately.
And for all anyone knows, I already have.
Threats on the blog? say it isnt so….
I wonder where to file those “threats”? Do they go under God? Gays? Or guns?
heheheheh!
IF there are some rational Libs on this blog, they may call out JR and Capn for their advocation of violence.
Posted by: Max | October 11, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Is the same Max who is ready to make war own our own government to save his guns
Thanks Rev. So… I guess the threats go under “guns”?
God and gays will be jealous.
WWJS? Who would Jesus shoot?
You do realize, don’t you Kansas, that they are accomplishing that with $20,000 sign up bonuses?
$20,000 times 200,000 = 4 billion dollars.
Pardon the interruption:
For those with (grand)children under the age of two, be aware of the withdrawal of cold medicines from the OTC market:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/10/11/infant.drugs/index.html
We now return you to the regularly scheduled programming.
Dems let six million Jews die in WWII even though they heard about the death camps by the late 1930s. They were too busy pandering the Nazi party with words and white flag scenarios.
Democrats are also big fans of Stalin. Like Democrats, Stalin blamed other people for his problems, never one to lay the blame at his feet or the system that kept him in power. Democrats and liberals hate conservativism, Stalin hated capitalism. One of the dirtiest sleight of hand tactics that Stalin used was to rewrite history to besmirch, denigrate and tarnish the image of those leaders who had come before him and political enemies that he faced. Stalin used slander as a tool to help eliminate his opponents.”
So you see history repeats itself. The Dems side constantly with Palestine and other Jew hating countries. There wasn’t a peep from the left about the Iranian’s leader stating there was no holocaust, because the Dems never believed it either.
Hundreds of thousands in Darfur are being slaughtered and starving to death. At the time, Hillary Clinton is building her “war chest” for her Presidential campaign, wining and dining at luxury hotels and Presidential suites. The new Stalins of the world are just old pals of the Democrats. You know, they just have to turn their heads away and the problem will disappear after awhile.
Is the same Max who is ready to make war own our own government to save his guns
Posted by: Rev Jim | October 11, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Only in self-defense Jim.
“Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. And I don’t think any of the participants here have much discretion.”
Posted by: GMC70
I think you’re right. I recall you making this same type of request several times.
I got an email from Phillip Brownlee not long ago where he said that the editors are examining their options on monitoring. I think even the Eds are recognizing that things here are getting way out of hand.
I have been to very tightly monitored sites where if someone posts something as innocuous as “I feel sorry for you” [usually, though, a good early warning sign of flaming] the monitors will shut down the thread – which has the effect of punishing all for the lack of discretion of a few. I would hate to see this type of monitoring and response here, because all threads would be shut down.
Too bad that some people can’t be responsible for their behavior.
I think the atmosphere here has been poisoned and has gotten worse lately. I bet we would even disagree on the culprits we’d name for this effect.
Anyway, thanks for your comment.
Hotdog1, you used the wrong map. Need to divide things up by county:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm
Why is the president of the United States trying to get the tele-communications companies off the hook for their illegal activity?
He is supposed to be upholding laws, not encouraging companies to break them.
Businesses that break the law should be held accountable. We expect these companies to keep our personal information private, and if they break the law, there should be consequences—not a re-write of the rule book.
Bad behavior Steven? Who? When?
Anyone make any physical threats of violence?
That’s an interesting conundrum for the administration, isn’t it Chas. If the program in which the telecom folks are alleged to have participated is lawful, there is no need for immunity, while if the program is not lawful, then immunity is needed.
S Davis I know that there are violators on both sides. I can dish it out I know. Have apologized many times when this happens because I think I am better than that. On another thread this morning I expressed the opinion that I would no longer respond on the SCHIP fiasco. I haven’t been back lately but they were piling on in droves last I looked.
I agree that until we can have a civil discourse we shouldn’t have a discussion. I’ll do my part. Won’t say I won’t slip – I am human afterall but won’t defend my bad behavior when called on it as I was yesterday.
Thanks, XXX.
My sentiments exactly.
The liberals have been “victims” long enough.
It’s time to make the other side feel our pain . . .
Trade Deficit Improves SignificantlyThursday October 11, 9:12 am ET
By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
Record Exports Help Push Trade Deficit to Lowest Level in 7 Months
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. trade deficit fell to the lowest level in seven months, helped by record-high sales of American products and the declining value of the dollar. The deficit with China declined as imports edged down slightly following a string of high-profile recalls.The Commerce Department reported Thursday that the deficit declined to $57.6 billion in August, down 2.4 percent from the July imbalance. It was lowest gap between exports and imports since January and a much better showing than had been expected.
In other economic news, the Labor Department said that the number of newly laid off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits fell by 12,000 last week to 308,000. That was a better showing than had been expected.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071011/economy.html?.v=2
Another day of good news for the economy. Watch the market today.
How many threats of violence have come from the conservative side?
How many liberal attorneys were threatened by conservatives to have their use of the internet at work exposed, in order to get them fired?
How many liberal businesswomen had their business threatened by conservatives with a boycott?
How many liberal bloggers were reported to the WE Editors by conservatives with requests to be banned?
The pattern is clear.
Balance of trade worsened precipitously for six years, and look at the tighty-righties seize on the illusion of improvement.
“Bad behavior Steven? Who? When?”
See grm’s explanation here:
Posted by: ksgrm | October 11, 2007 at 12:20 PM
I read something recently where the author’s thesis was that cable TV is invested in polarization and that their having “discussion” programs where ideologues are always shouting at each other – tend to foster the same. I can’t remember where I saw that. I will have to look.
Very much appreciate your post grm. We have all done things (well, except maybe Vaughn Tolle – whose behavior is always stellar) we were later not proud of.
Good news KSGRM.
And with the budget deficit falling by 60-70 billion a year and troops in Iraq being drawn down gradually, we’re on track to balance the budget in 2 years, just in time for the next President to take credit for it.
As Linda Inks said, Khan is nothing but loyal – Bush and the Neocons can do no wrong and when they are wrong it is because the liberals made them do it!
Posted by: WSClark | March 10, 2007 at 01:14 PM
The same applies to you Heevie.
J R cutting in here
Again, Republikhan aka “kansas” uses an ethnic slur against a poster he ultimately drove away. Let’s let him finish..
Except adding the fact that you and Capn Communist are psychopathic belligerents that only look for Blog conflict without discussing the issues.
Posted by: Republikhan | March 10, 2007 at 01:18 PM
Holy Naida Comanich! NAILED the triple twist hypocrisy dismount!
count 2 bigot
count 1 hypocrite
As I expected, in reviewing the linked piece from ksgrm, the dollar’s devaluation had a bit to do with the slight improvement. Still troubling: the amount of oil being purchased from foreign sources continues to climb; the slight change in the trade imbalance with China surprisingly was not apparently related to the recalls of toys, as more toys produced in China were actually imported, but the decline was in the areas of computers and furniture; and there was a decline in the area of “foreign car” purchases.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081703J.shtml
Fresno council member wrote of using ‘dirty bomb’ to kill liberals.
Fresno residents and community leaders, outraged by an e-mail message in which City Council Member Jerry Duncan wished he had a “dirty bomb” to kill every liberal in Fresno, called Thursday for his resignation, recall or reprimand.
Sadly, the messages that Rightwingstuff places on its own political products are quite often very violent. Not just one or two products in the Rightwingstuff online catalog, but scores of them, literally call upon people to attack their political enemies.
http://www.irregulartimes.com/rightwingstuffviolence.html
Sometimes, the acts of violence are national in scale. For example, one of the Rightwingstuff bumper stickers calls upon people to bomb France. This demand is ironic, given that conservatives claim to be fighting against terrorists with bombs.
It sounds far-fetched, but the Rightwingstuff organization is actually abusing the CafePress system in order to issue hunting licenses that purport to give conservative Americans the authority to hunt down liberals and kill them, with no limit. To the right you can see what this license to commit terrorism against American liberals looks like.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1660672/posts
Ann Coulter had stated that her “only regret with [Oklahoma City bomber] Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.”
She added such a bombing would have been appropriate only if Times’ reporters and editors were inside.
If disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff starts singing, and it’s believed that he will, many likely will go down with him and Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) could be one of them. The press has focused extensively on Rep. Tom DeLay’s relationship with Abramoff, but you haven’t seen the same level of coverage for the prominent Democrats who had ties of their own. Debbie Schlussel has all the details on Levin’s relationship with Abramoff.
Reposting: Chart on how Abramoff spread the wealth.
AM UPDATE I: 40 of the 45 members of the Senate Democrat Caucus have rec’d money from Abramoff. Newsbusters has the list (via the RNC). Also, check out this complete list of Abramoff’s lobbying and political contributions from 1999-2006 that lists contributions to Republicans and Democrats.
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte$298,980
Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $243,500Patty Murray (D-Wash) $40,980Democratic National Cmte $40,300Charles B. Rangel (D-NY) $32,000Patrick J. Kennedy (D-RI) $31,000Harry Reid (D-Nev) $30,500Byron L. Dorgan (D-ND) $28,000Tom Daschle (D-SD) $26,500Brad R. Carson (D-Okla) $18,300Democratic Party of Oklahoma $15,000Chris John (D-La) $15,000Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) $14,500
John Breaux (D-La) $13,750
Democratic Party of Michigan $12,000
Mary L. Landrieu (D-La)$11,500
Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md) $11,000
Dale E. Kildee (D-Mich) $10,500Democratic Party of North Dakota $10,000
Barney Frank (D-Mass) $9,000
Democratic Party of Minnesota $9,000Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo) $9,000Max Baucus (D-Mont)$9,000Democratic Party of South Dakota $8,000Dick Durbin (D-Ill) $8,000Frank Pallone, Jr (D-NJ) $6,000Nick Rahall (D-WVa) $6,000
Jon S. Corzine (D-NJ)$5,000Fritz Hollings (D-SC) $5,000Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md) $5,000Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii) $5,000Deborah Ann Stabenow (D-Mich) $5,000Democratic Party of Montana $5,000Democratic Party of New Mexico $5,000Xavier Becerra (D-Calif) $4,523Tim Johnson (D-SD) $4,250Kent Conrad (D-ND)$4,000Maria Cantwell (D-Wash)$3,000Kalyn Cherie Free (D-Okla)$3,000
Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif)$3,000
Richard M. Romero (D-NM)$3,000Ed Pastor (D-Ariz)$3,000John B. Larson (D-Conn)$3,000James L. Oberstar (D-Minn)$3,000Brad Sherman (D-Calif)$3,000Earl Pomeroy (D-ND)$2,500Max Cleland (D-Ga)$2,500Gene Taylor (D-Miss)$2,250Doug Dodd (D-Okla)$2,000Jay Inslee (D-Wash)$2,000
John D. Dingell (D-Mich)$2,000Joe Baca (D-Calif)$2,000Carl Levin (D-Mich)$2,000
Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark)$2,000Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss)$2,000Robert Menendez (D-NJ)$2,000Robert T. Matsui (D-Calif)$2,000Rodney Alexander (D-La)$2,000Sander Levin (D-Mich)$2,000Ron Kind (D-Wis)$2,000Ronnie Shows (D-Miss)$2,000Rosa L. DeLauro (D-Conn)$2,000
Maxine Waters (D-Calif) $2,000
William J. Jefferson (D-La)$1,000Barbara Boxer (D-Calif)$1,000Brian David Schweitzer (D-Mont)$1,000Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif)$1,000Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif)$1,000
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)$1,000John Kerry (D-Mass)$500
“It’s time to make the other side feel our pain . . .”
Posted by: CapnAmerica
And you’re thinking that is going to work out how, exactly?
J R …yawn…no one really cares and everyone is extremely happy W S Clark left the blog.
Pretty long dirty laundry list of crooked Democrats Kansas.
The defense Kansas, is to say that Bush and his Republicans did the same thing.
Never deny that your party is crooked, just argue that your party is less crooked then the other party.
Yeah, that’s a reason to be proud to be a Democrat.
OMG Max, you are FUNNY even when you dont mean to be. Posted by: Max | October 11, 2007 at 12:29 PM
“How many threats of violence have come from the conservative side?”
You mean like when kansas threatened to break into Tom’s office and suggested other cons join him at the address he posted?
Or when he threatened to stalk Tom and I and pay a visit in his “black escalade” to my farm?
Like when Crusader X threatened to put a bullet in Ed’s head?
Or like when Nathan theatened the libs that he would bring a gun to their meetup and make them run with fear?
You mean like those?
“How many liberal attorneys were threatened by conservatives to have their use of the internet at work exposed, in order to get them fired?”
Well, take the attorney out of the equation, and I think a whiney con did the same thing to Dr. Ben. And CF.
And dont forget tippy and her lies about Tracy and problems she caused for him at work.
“How many liberal businesswomen had their business threatened by conservatives with a boycott?”
Huh. Worse than that. Folks in Collyer were contacted. They were fearful for a while that one of you wingnuts would come there and do violence in their community.
And dont forget tippy, who constantly threatened me with some vague “state agency” reporting.
“How many liberal bloggers were reported to the WE Editors by conservatives with requests to be banned?”
How would we know this? How do YOU know about any cons reported? Were you one of them? Heheheh!
And how many bloggers have actually been banned? Well, that I know of, kansas/republican/jm, crusader x, and ian. All cons.
“The pattern is clear.”
Indeed.
Now we can continue on with this tit for tat as long as you wish. Dont try to say the problems on this blog are all from the left side.
Wanna stop the flame wars? Fine by me. You first.
Max musta also missed where Econ said he had email from my girfriend asking him to back off of me. An email he opened even though it had a virus and then conveninetly threw away. No evidence. Just post the lie.
Clean your own house Max.
Hey Farm girl,
I think that Nathan’s words were more like ‘wet their pants’. Also, I think the only one to bring a gun to a meet up was a liberal.
Pa
From JR, waving his fists.
Speaking of WS Clark, does anyone know what happened to him? Did he flunk his semiannual aids test?
Why would anyone want to change the blog from this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qft0bdhl17c
“The pattern is clear.”
Indeed.
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | October 11, 2007 at 12:43 PM
So said the biggest whiner on the blog.
Hank, I guess I could do a bone dig and post his words and let the readers decide, but I’m not going to. Suffice to say, his “threats” whether real or imagined, worked. Only three people showed for the meetup, and the concern over those remarks effectively killed it.
Do I think nathan would actually harm us? No. But his intent to intimidate and make us “we our pants” (how many ways to interpret THAT?) were clear.
Perhaps, if he doesnt mean the threats, he shouldnt issue them.
I got an email from Phillip Brownlee not long ago where he said that the editors are examining their options on monitoring.
I agree, except I wrote snail mail to The McClatchy Company board, owner, as well as the publisher.
These blogs are not economically producing anything for the company. Yet, the editors, adminstrators, network workers, and newspaper is putting out big costs to operate. The more so, with all our emails telling on each other.
If I am correct, there is a going concern here, and it is profit.
If the useage on this blog is enough to justify keeping it, the dollars for advertising and membership would defray the costs.
If not, then as a stock owner, or owner, I would shut down this loss of profit making operation.
Heheheh. Well, I guess you can see from kansas/max/etal how willing they are to be the first to stop the flame war.
Perhaps, if he doesnt mean the threats, he shouldnt issue them.
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | October 11, 2007 at 12:55 PM
This advice doesn’t apply to everybody though.
So…kenyboy, we can put you down as a “yes” on cons reporting libs to the eds?
And if they succeed in killing this blog? I think CF has a term for it. Rat buggering.
Heheheh. Well, I guess you can see from kansas/max/etal how willing they are to be the first to stop the flame war.
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | October 11, 2007 at 12:57 PM
So says the hypocrite who keeps flaming.
So who wants to bet with me that if the blog goes silent now, the sock puppet ballet will begin?
(crickets chirping)
Frmgrl you are not a good example for reform. ‘Let it begin with me’ doesn’t have any place in your vocabulary. Why not take the high road and provide an example for the rest?
In addition to the city councils other rules, pit bull owners should be required to take out some sort of insurance should their time bomb of a dog go off.l
Posted by: J R | September 28, 2007 at 09:31 AM
We need a law to protect your Mom’s wimpy dog.
Save the world JR.
Posted by: Max | September 28, 2007 at 05:43 PM
Why don’t we just outlaw wimpy dogs? Then we won’t have the problem that JR’s mommy had.
Posted by: Max | September 28, 2007 at 05:46 PM
I hate to say this JR, but maybe, just maybe, your mom should get a cat.
Wimpy dog vs cat, is there a difference?
Posted by: Max | September 28, 2007 at 05:47
Well Hello there model citizen Max!
Clean your own house Max.Posted by: J R
I don’t think Max has “a house”. Believe it or not, there are posters on this blog who do not release their personal information, nor email each other daily/routinely (and probably not the editor).
Unlike a small, but loud (not vocal)group of regulars on this blog who see it as their high school clicks poster board.
Anyone who at anytime attacks or trashes one – trashes all.
And the emails fly in the background.
Some of us stand on the merits of our “individual” posts and our own two feet.
No nanny state for us.
“Dems let six million Jews die in WWII even though they heard about the death camps by the late 1930s”
posted by whatever.
You got a real link to that, trollboy, or did you cherry pick that one out of the national inquirer as well.
You are at one with your fellow neo-con boy, max.
Frmgrl Why not take the high road and provide an example for the rest?
Posted by: ksgrm
Impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,impossible,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmimpossible!
Well Hello there model citizen Max!
Posted by: J R
Gee J R you left out your own post where you threatened to shoot and kill a dog.
I wonder why?
Nice try Pat.
The dog I said I will shoot and kill is the dog that attacked my mom. You knew that.
0 points on the spin bumbletoes
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm
Posted by: Max
Thanks Max for reading and answering my post. I didn’t think we could easily divide the country by country.
I suggest the civil war be fought at the state level (so yes to whomever wanted to know if red people have to leave the blue states. I’m sure blue states will adopt controls/restrictions over where you travel. So those that want to stay red, should leave soonest).
I saw the lofty post with the positive on the new Blue Country, and negatives on the Red. But I’ll take the chance to be free.Rather Red than dead!
country by county
A threat none the less J R.
Shoot an animal because it attacked your mommies animal.
After the attack it is no longer self-defense.
It is a mean and awful thing to kill an animal for no reason.This was discussed at length.
Can’t believe where I got the cable/polarization theme. And I can’t believe I am admitting to reading this, but here it is:
http://www.kansas.com/205/story/190593.html
Actually Farm Girl,
Nathan issued no threat. Attendance at that particular meetup was probably hurt more by the liberal over reaction to Nathan’s words
Anyone that knows Nathan even a little bit understands that there was no real threat involved.
WS Clark was totally responsible for the poor attendance at that meet up. He intentionally misrepresented Nathan’s words and his intent.
Hank
“Did he flunk his semiannual aids test?”Posted by: Hank Price
Hank,
Usually you are above stuff like this. Sorry you’re having a bad day.
Clark had a real difficult time resisting flame bait, but by and large I thought he was a decent man. I remember him opening his house to people who did not have a place to go to on Thanksgiving.
I can’t believe I am admitting to reading this, but here it is:
http://www.kansas.com/205/story/190593.html
Posted by: Steven Davis
Didn’t she mean just for the war?
the pursuit of common ground. The president said, “I believe we can find some common ground with the Democrats.” Pelosi agreed, saying, “Extending the hand of partnership to the president — not partisanship, but partnership — (I) say let’s work together to come to some common ground where we can solve the problem in Iraq.”
It was everyone ELSE who interpreted it as inclusive of all congressional/executive actions?
It didn’t work for Congress (under democrat control), so Max’s idea of common ground certainly cannot work on the blog.
None of us are any better than the people in Congress, I guess.
Steven D WS is one of the most mean spirited people I have ever seen. While many here have had differences of opinion with me he is the only one who physically threatened to come to my place of business to harm it and me.
Sorry I don’t see the spirit in him that you see. He and JR ran me off the blog for quiet a while. He continually maligned my son who was a 10 year Navy vet because I remember the name of his sub wrong.
He called me a liar everyday for months. Sorry his spirit was/is mean.
Not wanting to cause trouble, but if we give one a pass we have to give all a pass and then we are where we always are, throwing darts at each other.
germie
WShile your departure would not hurt my feelings, I was not even about when you chose to remove yourself and have no knowledge of most of what you are talking about.
The Eagle, along with the newspapers owned by McClatchy had better find some way of bringing in revenue – or cutting costs:
McClatchy Reports August 2007 Revenues
Released: 09/19/2007
SACRAMENTO, Calif., Sept. 19 – The McClatchy Company (NYSE: MNI) today reported that consolidated advertising revenues in August 2007 decreased 9.2% and total revenues were down 8.4%. Year-to-date advertising revenues declined 8.0% and total revenues were down 7.1% on a pro forma basis……….
This blog should be a fee for service members only access.
Membership should be high enough to cover monthly expenses plusan acceptable profit.
Not gonna happen Keny.
THough they may start running ads here. That was mentioned at a meetup.
J R here for Acme sledgeahmmer.
When I go up against the wrong right or a vile troll I always make sure I have my trusty Acme sledgehammer. Whether it’s whacking trolls or busting hypocrites, Acme sledgehammers reduce ‘em to small smithereens everytime.
Acme for over 80 years makers of creative mayhem.
JR I know very well whom you are and how you post. You must be quit proud of yourself.
I couldn’t care less for most of it. On local issues that affect my or my families taxes I will normally get involved.
I’ve taken the local paper for a few decades. The Whichita Eagle could control the shenanigans here with membership. They have every right to expect to get paid for their services to our community.
Just noticed that some libs were slamming the National Enquirer for a story on Edwards and making light of the paper for its supermarket presence.
These wouldn’t be the same libs that were slamming a Wichita church about the Clay Aikens story in that same supermarket tabloid yesterday would it?
Lets see – it prints the truth about conservatives and doesn’t about the libs. I see how that works.
JR you remember quiet well the ocassion I am talking about. You even clarified the statement you made. The fact that I went off the blog for a while might have only been noticed by me because I didn’t issue a complaint with WEblog editors. I just quietly went away for a while. I wanted to be sure that there was no way you could find out who I was.
Well Hello there model citizen Max!
Posted by: J R | October 11, 2007 at 01:02 PM
Did I threaten you with a physical attack JR?
You got a real link to that, trollboy, or did you cherry pick that one out of the national inquirer as well.
You are at one with your fellow neo-con boy, max.
Posted by: stumper | October 11, 2007 at 01:04 PM
I heard this on the Ken Burns WWII series that was just out. 1939, if I recall, was the year they reported that the West first knew about the death camps.
3 count ‘em 3 con whiners.
Boring.
And I gotta go anyway.
“Steven D WS is one of the most mean spirited people I have ever seen.”
I do remember you guys not getting along.
But I’d ask you to remember that even Kansas has done things I think are commendable. One example, he volunteered to work in a public school with special needs kids.
Hitler was kind to his dogs.
The point being that in all likelihood, people whom we may not be in love with, might actually be capable of commendable behavior.
Clark made some useful suggestions to me when I was buying a used car. He gave me excellent advice and I am glad I listened to him.
JR sometimes your bad memory is just too convenient. Run when you are caught up in a prevarication.
By the way when are you going to read that book? I am assuming you are a man of your word.
Well Steven that settles it then. He knows alot about used cars and we all know you can trust used car salesmen.
Just a little levity.
I will never be his fan but appreciate that you are.
ksgrm; I take it this wasn’t a cautionary note:”Another day of good news for the economy. Watch the market today.”As I have said for nearly all of bush’s terms, He can only look favorably historically when compared against a metric in his term.
Phantom you got me on that one. Surprises me but no one can predict the market I guess. Looks like some profit happened this afternoon. The DOW was up over 140 this morning.
When the Enquirer or anyone else is posting aburdities about the conservatives; you can bet your bottom dollar there’s more than a grain of truth to it. I mean if they had broken the story about Vitter getting off in diapers, or Craig trying to get off with a cop in a public restroom, would you have really believed it?
I hate to admit it but in the last few years I have read stories in their headlines before I have read them in the the mainstream media.
They were the first with the little blue dress afterall.
Not to confuse them with the National Examiner and other wacko publications who see aliens in treetrunks and have GW divorcing Laura and marrying Condi.
“I will never be his fan but appreciate that you are.”
I never met him, so I don’t know that I am his fan. I just think it is being more realistic to think that all people, even those we don’t like, are capable of doing good. And similarly, those people we do like, are capable of doing bad.
Realism is a good thing in my book.
grm
I asked you what biz you were in and told you if I knew I would boycott it and tell others too as well.
That’s called the free market. And I certainly did not threaten you. And the bit about your son I was not even here for.
I “ran” because I had work to do. I don’t “run from” you or anyone.
Lastly, I forgot the name of the book. I was not about to buy it and the library did not have it. But I doubt I could give it any more open mind than you gave “An Inconvenient Truth” So what is the point.
WS did invite anyone without family to his home last Thanksgiving. Steven is right about that. Like him or not, I don’t like to see anyone run off by ethnic slurs and certainly not by the bane of the blog “kansas”pickanic.
Now to business. This is not for me. This is for my mom. She has AOL and does not want it anymore. Does anyone know a good, cheap, ISP dial up? I hear of plans that are low cost or free for low use. This is what my mom needs. Thank you in advance for suggestions.
Yes, JR, try netzero. It’s only 10 dollars a month. 56K modem.
You will need a land-line phone though.
“Hundreds of thousands in Darfur are being slaughtered and starving to death. At the time, Hillary Clinton is building her “war chest” for her Presidential campaign, wining and dining at luxury hotels and Presidential suites.” — KANSAS — upthread==============================
Kansas, what does the Darfur situation have to do with Hillary Clinton’s campaign??? She cant use any campaign funds for Darfur…
HOWEVER —-
Why dont you check out Bill Clinton’s web site, and see the Hundred’s of Thousands of $$$$ Mr. Clinton has raised for the Darfur situation???
A little investigation goes a LONG ways, most of the time….
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As to your earlier post concerning the John Edwards piece from the National Enquirer… This woman AND the source close to her are un-named… This “copnfession” was supposedly made in phone calls, and emails, reported by the “un-named” friend…
Sounds like the perfectly researched kind of story that the Enquirer is SO famous for printing… Geez… I swear to God you wing nuts will stop at nothing to try to get a rumor started to discredit somebody you think is a threat…
Even if it is an outright LIE!!!
Wouldnt it be strange if the “woman friend” turns out to be that same wench that Monica Lewinsky supposedly told “in phone calls” ???? What was her name??? Linda something???
Why dont you give her a call, Kansas… You seem to like to claim knowing about everybody else!!
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Econ101 — I am calling you out on your bogus claim that NeoCon is somehow an anti-semitic slur…
Can you post some kind of LINK that would show that… a reputable one??? See, I think that is a crock of CRAP… Because there are WAY too many non Jews who are Neocons….
And there are WAY too many media portals who use the term freely and openly….
So, Econ101, PROOF is in order here…. Either that, or just shut up about racial epithets…
The Bush Economy is so terrible, here’s a picture of the Mortgage Interest rate crisis:
http://www.mortgage-x.com/trends.htm#NACMR
The sky is truly falling.
J R — check out NetZero.com It is supposed to be $9.95/month…
Your Mom can get AOL for that same price, IF she has another ISP as her main connection… Dont know what you are using now… but you might check it out…
ALSO, AOL Email, and AIM is FREE now, JR… depending on what all she wants….
Former Bush supporting Merle Haggard is voting for Hillary:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/merlehaggardsfightinside
America is so ready for something different. Too bad, Hillary will be that choice.
Good grief SD… Merle Haggard voting for Hillary??? Is it time for the rapture now??? Haggard voting Democrat??? The Okie from Muskogee??? Voting Democrat??? Ya cant make up stuff like that!!! ROFL
Max,This is what you should be looking at:The United States of SubprimeData Show Bad LoansPermeate the Nation;Pain Could Last YearsBy RICK BROOKS and CONSTANCE MITCHELL FORDOctober 11, 2007; Page A1
As America’s mortgage markets began unraveling this year, economists seeking explanations pointed to “subprime” mortgages issued to low-income, minority and urban borrowers. But an analysis of more than 130 million home loans made over the past decade reveals that risky mortgages were made in nearly every corner of the nation, from small towns in the middle of nowhere to inner cities to affluent suburbs.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119205925519455321.html
This Economy Sucks! (4 Years of Key Economic Data)
OilPrice$8.57$9.00$12.64$21.59
Oil PriceChg %4.6%5.0%40.0%71.0%
Inflation6.7%9.0%13.3%12.5%
Unemployment7.1%6.1%5.8%7.1%
30 yr fixedMortgageInt Rate8.84%9.63%11.19%13.77%
% HomeOwnership64.8%64.8%64.9%65.5%
JR if you mom is old enough for AARP there are several good discounts. Once she is a member she can get Peoplepc for $4.97 a month for the first four months and then 9.97 a month after that.
This is the link with info.
http://www.aarp.org/aarp_benefits/offer_computers/peoplepc.html
Sure hate to lose you on the blog.
Most people outgrow the Oedipal phase, but some mentally ill individuals have a strong Oedipus complex as adults. According to Freud, the principal reason for the weakening of the complex in boys is the fear of punishment from the father.
Things are great!!!!
http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/pointtaken/2007/04/eerie-similarities-with-1929-crash.html
Sunday, April 01, 2007″Eerie similarities” with 1929 crashBy Richard Dawahare
Washington has duped the American citizen with crooked politics that have put private, special and corporate interests over the greater public interest. This chicanery is coming home to roost in the shattered financial ruins wrought by the perfect storm of soaring costs, shrinking wages and the impending explosion of the housing bubble, upon which average Americans have leveraged their record-setting level of borrowing.
For the first time in history. the average household debt — including mortgages — exceeded after-tax income by 29 per cent last year. Let that sink in. Americans owe more on average than their net income. Families spend 14.4 per cent of their disposable income on debt repayment, the largest share since the Fed began keeping such records in 1980.
“This is an unsustainable trend,” said Christian Weller, senior economist at The Center For American Progress. “People simply can’t borrow at the same rate they’ve borrowed in the past.” Weller, author of the report entitled Drowning In Debt, added that, “The data show that people are borrowing more money not because of over-consumption, but because they’re caught in a bind. In that bind, the only escape valve for middle-class families is to borrow more money.”
Annie, it’s called Improper Regard for Financial Obligations.
No longer do they teach basic family budgeting 101 in High School or at home.
They did 25 years ago.
Billions of dollars in Public Education increases later, what are we getting for our money?
As for the sub-prime interest rates, some people got greedy taking in some teaser rate ARM loan deals EVEN WHEN 30-yr Fixed Rate mortgages were at or near historic lows.
And even today. 6.5% 30 yr fixed rate mortgages are not far from the 5.5% lows we saw a couple years ago.
Annie we just heard last night that a couple we know are declaring bankruptsy. The reason: Three years ago they took an interest only loan on their home. They are both professionals and he is in upper middle management at Boeing.
When forced to finance the amount they would now need because the principle has ben going up, they needed more than the house was worth.
They aren’t kids. Both in mid fifties. Why did they get in this position. Trying to keep up with the Jones. Taking trips they couldn’t afford. Thinking that they ‘deserved’ the best of everything.
Now do we blame scenes like this on the economy or on the bad decisions of the people caught in this debacle.
I disagree with Mr. Wellers assertion that we are where we are because we are in a bind.
ksgrmalkin,
How surprising–an anecdote that reinforces your theological convictions that “personal responsibility” trumps all other explanations of economic phenomena or policy.
Grm,Couldn’t agree with you more on some points but it is alittle more complicated than what’s on the surface.
Basically local banks don’t hold the loans.They package them and sell them to an investment bank who repackages them according to a computer generated model and sells them to a hedge fund who then sells them to us in our pension funds or insurance policies.Problem is nobody knows what the stuff is worth on the open market.Confused yet?
Oedipus — I graduated from High School 38 years ago… They never taught such a thing then… I dont know what school you went to, but if you were taught that, then it must have been one darned good school!!
“Weller, author of the report entitled Drowning In Debt, added that, “The data show that people are borrowing more money not because of over-consumption, but because they’re caught in a bind. In that bind, the only escape valve for middle-class families is to borrow more money.”
American are not in a bind. It’s called living beyond our means. We are an extravagant people, down through every class. The latest and newest gadget is considered necessary. Eating out 5 times a week.
You are right Mr. weller, Americans borrow too much, but the bind we are in is in our minds.
http://www.daveramsey.com/
Annie you are right about that. If your account advisor mentions REITS (Real Estate Investment Trusts) run the other way.
Good banks got in binds for this same reason. They were loaning more money that the fed qualified them for and had to sell off their best loans. These are very low risk ones. When the fed started tightening the screws even the better lenders found themselves in a bind.
I do think we are thru the worst. Maybe not. The news about our friends sure shook me.
CF please contribute something worthwhile to the conversation. We are on here to discuss ideas not run others down. We are all different. Thank goodness. Can you imagine anything more boring than arguing with yourself all day.
Chas I have been out 44 years and we had something call Family Living. It was a mixed class and a requirement your freshman year. It was divided into four 9 week sessions. In one we learned basic cooking instructions. You know like how to boil an egg. The next session was sewing. We learned things like sewing on buttons and the like. Then we had one on basic child care with the emphasis on how much is involved caring for a child. The last session was devoted to family money handling. We set up budgets. Learned about saving for emergencies. Living within our means. It was very informative.
“I heard this on the Ken Burns WWII series that was just out. 1939, if I recall, was the year they reported that the West first knew about the death camps”
Posted by max,
Which is it, if you can recall, the west or the democrats? That is, if you recall.
The West knew of death camps in Germany in 1939 Stumper.
FDR and the Dems were in power at the time, but there is plenty of blame to go around in the USA and the world.
Ditto KS Grm. Learned budget 101 in public school, and most importantly – at home.
Dad sat me down from the time I was 10 years old to “help” him do income taxes. It was a great training exercise, one I think all kids and all adults should go through.
Adults? Yeah, many who just hand their documents to a taxman to do for them, have no idea how absurd all the IRS regs are. They blindly sign the bottom line.
Course the Socialists, just look for their EIC, Child Care Credits, Child Credits, and Other Credits, and the bottom line, and smile when they see a nice big refund coming. They get Back more then they pay In!
Oh, and By The Way, the Terrible Economic Stats up above, anyone know what 4 years those are from?
(5:16 pm post)
For those with (grand)children under the age of two, be aware of the withdrawal of cold medicines from the OTC market:
Apparently that included Tylenol for babies, too.
Now when your baby runs a fever from teething or some other simple and non-dangerous malady, you get to go to the doctor and get a prescription.
Just who is making $$$ off of this? Insurance and Pharma? No, surely not!
“Good grief SD… Merle Haggard voting for Hillary??? Is it time for the rapture now??? Haggard voting Democrat??? The Okie from Muskogee??? Voting Democrat??? Ya cant make up stuff like that!!! ROFL”
One additional bit of interesting news on this is that the Hillary campaign is not formerly acknowledging Haggard’s endorsement. It seems he qualified his endorsement by saying if Hillary ran into something she did not know what to do about, Bill would be there to help her.
But if she is getting the Nascar dad vote across the board, this ‘08 election might look like Johnson v. Goldwater. [I am not saying the American people got a good deal with that outcome - as Ben would say, never vote for a presidential candidate from Texas]
I think Bill needs to farm out his foundation work. As Assistant President he and Hillary are going to have a lot of cleaning up to do.
I see people are still saying I threatened them.
Go ahead and do a bone dig ksfarmgirl.
I didn’t threaten anyone. WS Clark over reacted and went off the deep end like he usually does.
He was the one who killed the meet up, not me.
Is Nathan threatening people again?
JR,
Yes JR, watch out.
Not yet, JR… :-)
Nathan, I didnt show up either, but it wasnt because of anything WS Clark said… it was what YOU said about bringing weapons… That kept me away…
There was an interesting interview last week. A Vermonter and a Southerner were both arguing for secession. Despite having different views of laws they would want to be enacted, they fundamentally agreed that the federal government was imperialistic and robbing Americans of their freedoms.
This idea got some temporary traction in California a couple years ago. A lot of people talked about it, then it died off. It will be interesting to see if this second-round campaign becomes sustained.
Just messing with ya Nathan.My experience is Nathan only threatens ya with his posts.
I wasn’t around so I don’t know.
A trusted source and poster says it rained alot and that is what killed the meetup.
It’s really ’cause I wasn’t there I bet.
There were many reasons for the poor turnout at the last meet-up. For a few people it was Nathan’s comment. For others, it was family obligations or conflicting schedules. I wouldn’t say that Nathan’s comment was the main reason, but it was a small part.
Fair enough?
And, Nathan, it may have been somewhere else that it was discussed instead of here, but several people did stand up for you.
Max the thing that amazes me is when you ask some people if they had to pay steep taxes this year they answer “I didn’t pay any taxes, I got money back”.
Talk about uninformed.
Forgot to say…
But you have to admit it was a snarky comment. If you’re honest with yourself, that is.
Nathan is just a complete arse. It doesn’t surprise me that he threatened a fellow blogger.
“”I didn’t pay any taxes, I got money back”.
Talk about uninformed.”
Can we back up just a sec? I’ve seen many posters on the right complain that poor people don’t pay taxes, then infer that they get money back.
I’m just wondering which it is. Not that I don’t know, but it would be nice to have it clarified, if you don’t mind.
Rox, the rightwingnutia is just basically hypocritical.
Well I see Hillary’s Handouts are growing more every day! Big surprise from the socialist candidate.
125 Billion annually for Free Healthcare!
20 Billion for free $1000 Baby Certs
and now, TA DAH!!!
25 Billion for free 401K!!!!!
NeverMIND the fact that 401K’s are for W.O.R.K.I.N.G Americans. NeverMIND that they are already tax deferred for WORKING Americans. NeverMIND that people EARN them.
Three brand spankin’ new entitlement programs and the broad ain’t even in office yet!!!
“I’ve seen many posters on the right complain that poor people don’t pay taxes, then infer that they get money back.”Posted by: Rox
The earned income credit (EIC) is a tax credit for certain people who work and have earned income under $38,348. A tax credit usually means more money in your pocket. It reduces the amount of tax you owe. The EIC may also give you a refund.IRS Pub 596
Hud,
The UNearned Income Credit (UIC) does in fact take the money that middle class and above taxpayers pay in:
And redistribute it back to the poor people.
Many, many times, and I know this for fact: The amount of the EIC exceeds the amount withheld.
Robin Hood (IRS manual screw’d)
Rox I am talking about people who do pay taxes. Young professionals. They are sometimes so uninformed about the tax structures of the US that they can’t even tell you what % of their income goes for taxes.
Sorry I didn’t make that clear. I realize that many Heads of Households get money (couldn’t be money back) that they didn’t pay in. These are called Earned Income Credits. Different than income taxes.
Hud,
The UNearned Income Credit (UIC) does in fact take the money that middle class and above taxpayers pay in:
And redistribute it back to the poor people.
Many, many times, and I know this for fact: The amount of the EIC exceeds the amount withheld.
Robin Hood (IRS manual screw’d)
Rox I am talking about people who do pay taxes. Young professionals. They are sometimes so uninformed about the tax structures of the US that they can’t even tell you what % of their income goes for taxes.
Sorry I didn’t make that clear. I realize that many Heads of Households get money (couldn’t be money back) that they didn’t pay in. These are called Earned Income Credits. Different than income taxes.
Sorry for the double post. Having trouble tonight for some reason.
And while Hillary is at it, she might want to DOUBLE, no TRIPLE the EIC!!!
What the hell, buy all the poor votes she can get.
Cry me a river cons.
YOU did this. It was your investments in the greedy companies. It was your demand for more return on your money that made the companies move overseas. You spent the last 20 years watching the middle class be destroyed. Thousands of jobs gone or taken by illegals you let in. Did you care? NO! The 401K kept getting fatter and that’s all you cared about.
Now, us younger folk have to live in the world you made. You can damn well pony up some help for the working class you destroyed with your greed.
I’m telling you I mad and I’m not going to take it anymore!!!
You libs are absolutely nuts!
I’ve got the democrat agenda down pat now.
The deal is to take as much as possible from people because it’s sinful for them to have it. (Whatever reason who made you God?)
Limit freedom of speech by pushing through an Equal Access Bill which ensures your domination of the airwaves and ends all opposition.
Censor any conservative talk radio host who DARES to disagree with the party line (of course he is a private citizen and not in congress, but I guess censor really doesn’t MEAN anything.)
Use JUSTICE by the Courts to ensure your socialist shrine cannot be removed – by anyone.
Use the poor as a crutch to get what want by making people “FEEL” bad to disagree.
Use the children as a crutch to force feed us socialized medicine.
And finally, ban our guns so we cannot start the revolution.
HOW FAR CAN YOU GO!????
DO YOU NOT SEE?? IT’S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE!!!
HILLERY IS BUYING YOUR VOTE!
SHE IS PROMISING THE WORLD!SHE IS A PURE SOCIALIST, NOT A DEMOCRAT! (unless the two are the same in 2007)
ok i feel better.
It doesnt matter WHAT Hillary says… the NeoCons will attack it… even if it helps them they will attack it!!
401K’s cant be used by people that dont work… AND, I dont know that it is a federally funded program… I would have to see a LINK to prove that allegation!!
YOU did this. It was your investments in the greedy companies.
You can damn well pony up some help for the working class you destroyed with your greed.
Posted by: J R |
JUST WHO THE HELL DIED AND MADE YOU GOD!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO JUDGE????
WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO SENTENCE ME TO PAYING 50% OF MY INCOME TO YOU????????
IT IS PURE THEFT, YOU LAZY SOB.GO WORK HARD, SAVE HARD, AND GET YOUR OWN INVESTMENTS.
IT IS CRIMINAL. OPEN THEFT – AND YOU JUSTIFY IT!!!!!!!
401K’s cant be used by people that dont work… AND, I dont know that it is a federally funded program… I would have to see a LINK to prove that allegation!!
Posted by: Chas.
MAYBE IF YOU GOT A J.O.B LIKE THE REST OF US YOU DUMB ASS WOULD KNOW WHAT THE F A 401 IS!
AND IDIOT: THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST A “K”.
YOUR LACK OF A BRAIN IS SHOWING!!!
And the sock puppet ballet has once again started its nightly performance… There goes the neighborhood!!!
Facists dont like democracy…. They want to control all broadcast stations like they do now, and dont want an equal access by anybody who disagrees… NOW, ONE poster has to try to twist and spin that already well known, and provable fact….
Well, the Left wont put up with that kind of crap anymore!! Bring on the Fairness Doctrine… round up the guns, so more 14 yr old kids cant get them and shoot up more schools…
401K’s cant be used by people that dont work… AND, I dont know that it is a federally funded program… I would have to see a LINK to prove that allegation!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 08:32 PM
Chas read this slowlllly. Hillary said the federal government would match the first $1000 for an IRA or 401K. The government is that community we talked about last week. It is us. We pay the taxes and she chooses who to give them to. Find your own link.
How much is your vote worth?
FLAT OUT ROBBERY:
Senator Hillary Clinton, while in Iowa campaigning, today proposes every citizen get a 401K retirement program and up to $1,000 in matching funds from the Government.
At a cost of some $25 Billion Dollars a year, this plan is Senator Clinton’s largest Domestic proposal other than her plan for universal Health Insurance. Senator Clinton said that this proposal would be paid for by taxing estates worth more than $7 million dollars per couple.
http://christonium.com/politicalmusings/ItemID=11919638724411
And the stupid witch does not even KNOW that a 401 is available to WORKING Americans through their EMPLOYER.
And no, idiot, the program today is NOT funded by the government. Our wages are tax deferred. We will pay when we withdraw.
But hells bells, Hillary is going to make DAMN sure we have nothing left to withdraw.
Mad huh?
Welcome to how a lot of people feel.
Where was MY American dream? Where will it be for my kid?
You damn right I’ll take a bit coming back, seeing as how you mortgaged your country’s future.
And ya better HOPE it’s government refereeing. Cause sooner or later a lot of people are gonna take matters into their own hands.—–
Well, the Left wont put up with that kind of crap anymore!! Bring on the Fairness Doctrine… round up the guns, so more 14 yr old kids cant get them and shoot up more schools…
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 08:38 PM
Chas tell us something we don’t know. I wonder if you have to prove you have a low IQ to be a card carrying liberal or if you just get that way after a while.
They want to control all broadcast stations like they do now
Hey Chas – you say you can prove it. OK. Do it.
Give me a link to the law which controls the radio stations selection of commentators.
Waiting…….
Hey, loser, your ASS is showing… big time… I think you should go crawl back under the rock you came out of… YOU posted as to 401K’s… NOT me… I just answered…. And for your information, I dont even have one… I have a really good pension fund…
S, do you have some LINK that can PROVE that a 401K is Federally Funded??? huh??? huh???
JR you are scaring me. You don’t have a clue how the world of economics works and you are raising a child.
I am very afraid. Wish I knew where you lived so I could boycott your street and make sure no one else passed your house either.
A 401K is NOT available to all employees… I cannot GET one, because I am not an employee… I am a self-employed contract worker… BUT, I have a fully funded Pension Plan… And I get ZERO federal funds put into now, nor would I should Hillary’s proposal be approved…
Where was MY American dream? Where will it be for my kid?Posted by: J R
You dumb SOB. GO OUT AND MAKE YOUR OWN DREAM!!! GO OUT AND HELP YOUR OWN CHILDREN!!
JUST LIKE I DID!!!!!
I DID NOT CRY, “WAAAA!, OH WOE IS ME, I NEED THE NANNY TIT TO FEED ME AND GIVE (not earn) GIVE ME MY DREAM!”
“YOU OWE (unbelievable) IT TO ME!”
“AND SINCE I AM TOO STUPID AND LACK THE ABILITY AND DRIVE TO FIND A GOOD JOB, OR WORK MULTIPLE JOBS LIKE THE American Way, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT OWES IT TO MY POOR CHILDREN TOO!”"
Big freakin’ baby.
Go out and earn it like I did.
You insult my posts. Your libs attack, name call, and demean ALL DAY LONG ON THIS BLOG. While
stupid me works my ASS off to get ahead and put my kids through college WITHOUT a HANDOUT. (last one graduated KU 2006).
You disgust me. You belong attached to the tit and wearing diapers.
Your jealousy is sick. You need
someone to say NO, so you go get
YOUR DREAM.
Unbelievable.
PS: You talk about taking it by force. Good luck at that. Because if this keeps up, there are a number going to fight on the other side.
Chas read slowllly. What your pension plan is might be a 401K. Many employers make these available to their employees. The one Hillary is talking about is a special one with matching funds coming from the GOVERNMENT. Do you hear me now?
If a person isn’t saving any money now do you think they will start saving now that Hillarycare has expanded to include 401ks?
Gasp – this sounds a lot like privatizing SS.
You wouldn’t last 13 seconds in my neighborhood you miser.
Hey, American Way (super troll) — I dont need proof of the RIGHT WING control of radio… Just look at the programming on KFH radio in Wichita, or KNSS radio in Wichita… TELL me what you find there that isnt RIGHT WING!!
Imus was bad enough… NOW they replaced Imus with this stupid nut job show called Walton and Johnson… Those guys are worse than Imus ever was!!
So what more proof do you want??? Just look up either one of those on their web sites!!
A 401K is NOT available to all employees…
Posted by: Chas.
401K right. But you can have an IRA.
Where was MY American dream? Where will it be for my kid?
You damn right I’ll take a bit coming back, seeing as how you mortgaged your country’s future.
And ya better HOPE it’s government refereeing. Cause sooner or later a lot of people are gonna take matters into their own hands.
Posted by: J R | October 11, 2007 at 08:40 PM
Good question JR. Where was YOUR American dream? What did YOU DO to earn your dream?
Answer: Nothing. You expected the GOVERNMENT (ie taxpayers who are working to earn their American dream) to HAND it to you, for what? For doing Nothing.
Socialists all the way!
Fella?
I got lots more reason to be ticked off than you do.
And you got a big mouth for someone on the other side of a keyboard. You might want to back off.
Friendly warning.
American way while I understand your angst we try to take it easy on JR and Chas. They sometimes get violent if pushed in a corner. Like telling JR he can work for an employer who offers benefits and get his own insurance and telling Chas that the government isn’t a community make up of village that will raise your kids.
Keep this under your hat – they might catch wind of it.
S, do you have some LINK that can PROVE that a 401K is Federally Funded??? huh??? huh???
Posted by: Chas.
Please show me where I said they were federally funded. I don’t believe I ever said they currently are. I have one and know better.
Your queen Hillary, on the other hand is proposing to federally fund one. And blow the whole program apart!
You know, I kept waiting for some smart ass Lib to answer the question about the Economic Stats in the 5:16 post.
That was during the Jimmy Carter, Democrat President, Administration.
Sucked then didn’t it! Dem Congress and Dem President. Vote for Hillary and all the Dems in Congress up for re-election and that’s what you will get for the next 4 years!
Oh, and anyone know how those Carter Economic Stats compare to today?
I still see J R is threatening people. Some things never change.
And the Libs won’t challenge it.
I’ll challenge it.
Watch it lawn boy or you’re history on this blog.
You might want to back off.
Friendly warning.
Posted by: J R | October 11, 2007 at 08:51 PM
SOUNDS LIKE A THREAT TO ME. AND YOU ATTACK KANSAS??????
“FDR and the Dems were in power at the time, but there is plenty of blame to go around in the USA and the world.”
Posted by max.
Then why stir things up with a ridiculous hit on the democrats? That was 70 years ago, and the core values of both parties have done some serious polar dancing since then.
The world was at fault because they didn’t want to believe it, and a deeply rooted distrust, real or imagined, of the Jews. That includes this country . . . all of it, not just the democrats.
I work for myself thank you very much. I’m done working for slave driving nickel squeezers.
Oh and “American Way”?
Bring it. Me and mine we got the numbers.
And you made it that way.
Chas don’t tell anyone but Imus was a card carrying liberal which could explain his gutter mouth.
As for the shows you mentioned. Commercial radio puts on those programs that will allow them to sell advertising not give it away or pay someone to let them use your name like they had to do for Air America.
Fella?
I got lots more reason to be ticked off than you do.
And you got a big mouth for someone on the other side of a keyboard. You might want to back off.
Friendly warning.
Posted by: J R | October 11, 2007 at 08:51 PM
Another personal physical threat from a Lib!
You know, JR, MAKE MY DAY!
One arm behind my back even. If you had any balls you’d earn your own way in life and become a conservative.
Oh, and did your Mommy get a new Internet connection set-up for you so you can use your free (donated by buddies) computer to blog all day instead of working?
Tell Mom for just $9.95 a month, she can make you happy, you promise to stay in your room all day and leave her alone to pop a PBR and watch her soaps.
Max sorry I knew the answer because we had to move to Kansas in ‘85 and finance a house. Wow!!
Carter was the last demo prez I voted for.
I was giving the libs a chance to jump in.
I aint the one posting in all caps. And I’ve threatened no one.
Go on banned boy make your case.
Maybe I’ll make mine.
XXX cut you a break the other day. You might want to remember that.
And you got a big mouth for someone on the other side of a keyboard. You might want to back off.
Friendly warning.
Posted by: J R | October 11, 2007 at 08:51 PM
Sorry I waited to late to warn you.
Keep this under your hat – they might catch wind of it.
Posted by: ksgrm
My apology if I offended you or anyone. I just got home from a nasty fiscal year closeout (accounting), at my second job. Picked up the paper and finally read about Hillary’s latest free candy.
Then, some idiot who tries to appear smarter than the average bear posts that we “OWE THEM SOMETHING”.
I don’t claim to be smart. But I work my ass off all day, and sometimes like tonight – nite.
I don’t claim OT because the government takes a big chunk of it, and I’m worried about the AMT this year. So I take compensation time.
I don’t owe any American anything.
Jesus. What did the democrat Kennedy say,
“Ask now what your country can do for you……..”
Oh Max
If you only knew how through your ass your talking.
And you are sounding kinda froggy too.
S/B “Ask not what” vice “ask now what”.
Ummmm Grm… since I have been in my fully funded Pension Plan for 30 years, I do believe I would know if it is a 401K…. Since it is fully funded, I pay nothing into it…
What do you find so objectionable to Hillary’s 401K plan??? It wont hurt YOU any!!
I am sure you have enough deductions to take care of your 1/100 of a cent cost to you… or whatever minuscual amount it might cost…. And remember, it will cost ME the same, ultimately….
Besides, somebody has to pay the bill for Bush’s war… Why not take it out of some tax payer’s account somewhere down the line, who cant afford a real retirement program… And NO, it doesnt sound anything like a privatized SS plan… Geez!!
XXX didn’t cut me anything. He knew he was acting like a fool and decided to change his methods.
But whatever J R, you’re a bum and leech of society. Blog all day and complain about not having 10 bucks to pay for a month of Internet.
The ultimate is slovenly behavior.
Keogh plans are the self-employed equivalent of a 401k.
So Chas, go set up your own Keogh to go along with your pension, then you can earn your own retirement, without having to steal it from others.
Thou Shalt Not Steal
Clearly you cons have some anger management issues. That reptile brain at work again.
Hillary giving away government money to people sounds a whole lot like bribing voters.
It’s not her money, it’s the people’s money. I don’t want to give money to people like J R who are too lazy to get off the couch and get a job.
So what more proof do you want??? Just look up either one of those on their web sites!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 08:49 PM
Start your own Lib radio station Chas.
Oh, never mind. They already tried that. Not enough listenors to sell adverstising to pay for the program.
says “Kansas” the ONLY poster actually ON the dole.
Chas somedays I have the patience to listen to your ignorant raving and I started out the day in a good mood.
You are the most ignorant person I have ever had to listen to. You pretend to know everything and in reality know nothing. Zilch!! Get it.
You walk around with that darn mouse in your pocket pretending to speak for the entire free world when in essence you can’t even speak for yourself.
I think I will sign off tonight before I tell you what I really think of you.
Bring it. Me and mine we got the numbers.
And you made it that way.
Posted by: J R
JR. I’m a little tired tonight. And I’m certain I’m not anywhere near as smrt, I mean smart as you.
Can you be a little more clear on the above post.
I’m not at all following.
Forgive me, I’ve made a lot of money for the government today/nite.
Type it real slow so’s Iz kin keep up. Thanks.
“Since it is fully funded, I pay nothing into it…”Posted by: Chas.
Just what does “fully funded” mean Chas.?
The world was at fault because they didn’t want to believe it, and a deeply rooted distrust, real or imagined, of the Jews. That includes this country . . . all of it, not just the democrats.
Posted by: stumper | October 11, 2007 at 08:54 PM
I didn’t raise the issue originally Stumper. Someone else did, then YOU challenged their statement. And you were wrong. The West did know about the death camps, and had action been taken sooner….
Only money you HAVE is government money there Kansas.
Seez the ultimate hypocrite!
The greedy welfare recipient!
It’s to laugh!
Clearly you cons have some anger management issues.Posted by: J R
Hey JR. Let that be a lesson onto you. I believe there is a growing number of working American taxpayers who are pretty well fed up.
You can only take so much out of a person’s wallet before they rebel.
Think about it a little bit. OK?
401K right. But you can have an IRA.
Posted by: Hud | October 11, 2007 at 08:49 PM
===========================
IF I qualified for an IRA, you are right… But, alas, I dont!! My pension fund is fully funded at somewhere near $4600 per year as it is… IF I claim that as INCOME, which I dont have to do — then I could not have an IRA… which, of course is limited… So, SOME people qualify for an IRA, and some dont!! But, hey, dont believe me… look it up for yourself!!
As I mentioned earlier, I have been in this thing for 30 years… and I DO know what I am talking about!!
S/B “Ask not what” vice “ask now what”.
Posted by: American Way | October 11, 2007 at 09:00 PM
No, you had the current Lib version correct AW.
Ask now what your Country can do for you.
The original version by JFK was:
“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.”
JFK if he was alive today, would be a right-wing conservative.
And for all of the rest of you dumbkopf’s that keep claiming I dont have a job, please take note of how much per year my Pension Fund has paid into it… IF I didnt have a job, then that wouldnt be paid…
So, to all you idiots that dont know anything about what you post, Neener Neener Neener!!!!
do you have some LINK that can PROVE that a 401K is Federally Funded??? huh??? huh???
Posted by: Chas.
Please show me where I said they were federally funded. I don’t believe I ever said they currently are. I have one and know better.
do you have some LINK that can PROVE that a 401K is Federally Funded??? huh??? huh???
Posted by: Chas.
Please show me where I said they were federally funded.
Posted by: American Way | October 11, 2007 at 09:12 PM
Oh, and JR, hide behind your keyboard and sound tough.
Remember, I’m the smallest of the billy goats in my clan.
There’s several big brothers ahead of me.
And conservatives will not need to fight to win this war on Socialism, we will simply retire and cut-off your gravy train. You will work or starve.
Course you and your bodies in your bad-ass neighborhood are so tough, I’m sure you are tough enough to support yourself on this Earth withoug putting on sunglasses and holding a tin cup.
You may even do more then that, but I don’t want to know all the disgusting things you will do to make money the easy way.
“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.”
JFK if he was alive today, would be a right-wing conservative.
Posted by: Max | October 11, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Geez, AW… your tin god Bush has given you so many tax cuts, what are you complaining about??
You should be VERY happy about your tax status!! And if you arent, remember what Party has controlled Congress since Newt’s Rebellion in 1994… Cant blam their crap on Democrats!!!
But… if I know the Con mentality, they will anyway!!! LOL
Ummmm Grm… since I have been in my fully funded Pension Plan for 30 years, I do believe I would know if it is a 401K…. Since it is fully funded, I pay nothing into it… CHAS
Another Socialist Program for Chas!
He pays nothing into it!
Hey Max,
I was going to say,
A crying JFK is watching from Heaven,
BUT HIS LIBERAL TODAY DON’T BELIEVE IN THAT!!!!!
HA!
Poor J R, so delusional…he thinks everyone that is retired military who earned their paycheck is sponging from the government. I guess that would include all Civil Servants, retired Congress, Judges and Presidents.
J R wouldn’t know about working to plan for retirement. He said he did landscape and lawns and couldn’t do it while it’s cold. So, I guess he sits on his duff 5-6 months a year.
It can’t be that J R is physically disabled doing that kind of work, so that’s not the reason. J R must have a past criminal record that keeps him from working. Otherwise, no one can be that lazy and come up with so many excuses why they don’t work.
Hey Max, thats a GREAT idea, why dont you retire, and take as many Cons with you as you can… That will open up a whole lot of jobs for people who want to work, and make their Dreams happen!! Instead of bitching about what they dont have, they will be celebrating for what they DO have!! Just the way life should be lived!!
Oh, and Max, one of the things about Socialism… EVERYBODY works so ALL can hve their needs met… from the greatest to the least!!! You might want to remember that!!
You should think too American way.
You sound like you should be a democrat.
You have little? There’s an awful lot of good folk who have considerable less. And it isn’t because they are shiftless or lazy.
This country is pricin labor down to nothing. In what I do, I see it every day. I tell you, it can’t continue. Those with have got to start thinking about those without and not automatically assuming it’s their fault
Enron anyone?
Don’t get sold the bill of goods that you are some kind of victim of the undeserving poor. You’re a victim too. You just haven’t figured out the real way to direct your anger.
CEO pay 500 times a worker.
That’s a start. You might want to take it from there.
You know, when I think of people on the dole, I never think of disabled veterans with a pension. In fact, I don’t begrudge any disabled person government support. It is part of being a civilized society. I do take a hard look at what we (the government) owes other Americans, who are able bodied.
And once someone becomes disabled does it affect what they can comment on, or their standing to do so?
I fail to see the connection there JR.
Leftist, activist federal judges are blocking the border fence based on complaints from tree-huggers, sacrificing your national security for some far-fetched political agenda.Border security is a national priority, folks.Protecting the serenity of a few birds’ nests is not.See news pagehttp://www.gopusa.com/news/2007/october/1011_border_fence.shtml
$4600 per year is not much of a pension plan…
Chas: You ARE a communist.
You dont find Welfare recipients in well run Socialist nations… No food stamps… No HUD housing subsidies… No FREEBIES on the government… Thats all the stuff WE have, and we ALL pay for, except the ones that cant afford it!!
The truly disabled, and ill, and elderly are about the only ones who dont work in a well run Socialist State… It would be unthinkable to avoid work in a Socialist State… unless you were truly disabled…
Can you imagine??? NO Welfare lines… NO Food Stamps… WOW!!! And YOU see something wrong with that???
Oh well…… takes all kinds to make a world!!
Have a good evening, Max!!
You should be VERY happy about your tax status!! And if you arent, remember what Party has controlled Congress since Newt’s Rebellion in 1994… Cant blam their crap on Democrats!!!
You know the FIRST Clinton had the biggest TAX INCREASE in the history of America.
It doesn’t take a mental giant to create a surplus. It takes a greedy SOB who wants to STEAL FROM SOME AMERICAN’S TO REDISTRIBUTE TO ANOTHER.
PS: FEDERAL REVENUE COLLECTS ARE RUNNING 600 BILLION (did you catch billion) DOLLARS HIGHER UNDER BUSH THAN UNDER CLINTON. AND THAT IS AFTER THE TAX CUTS!!!!
AND YOU GREEDY BA…TARDS WANT MORE????
says “Kansas” the ONLY poster actually ON the dole.
Posted by: J R | October 11, 2007 at 09:05 PM
And you f*cking Libs who want to join the military, fight in combat, get wounded, then you can go ahead and get disability that way too.
Until then, you have no right to attack Kansas or any other Vet who honorably served our country.
And if you continue to attack the vets who keep us free, then YOU are the scum of the Earth.
The more common approach for you Libs though is to get a Headache or Backache disability (the 2 most common disabilities approved by Social Security, also the 2 most difficult to diagnose to prove or disprove)and live off your Social Security disability for life.
Max….
Don’t imagine that I sweat you.
Guy I KNOW you. As a shop steward I dealt with your type all the time.
In a way, I pity you. It’s a shame this country has evolved into he who kisses up gets the gold ring. We lost alot on the way to that.
Kansas? Don’t start. You and I know I can get you to kick yourself outta here.
When where you a shop steward J R? Was it union? What union was that? And why did you get fired?
Get myself to kick myself out of here. Interesting concept…
You know J R, you’d have more money and clearer thinking if you would lay off the weed.
Kansas… when I retire, that Pension Plan you dont think much of, will be worth approximately $525,000 or more… depending on returns on investments…
It could be more, or a little less… but right now, that is the projection as of the beginning of the 4th Quarter, 2007…
Of course, the $4600 figure is totally dependent on what we call our Salary Basis…. And then there is a formula based on that, which determines the actual Pension fund figure for a given year… Depending on my salary basis, that amount could be as high as $10,000 per year… or as little as $2500…
So, you might not think of it as good… but, in my field, it is one of the better pension funds operating right now… Only 2 or 3 better that I know of right now…
No matter how you cut it, I stil dont qualify for a 401K, OR an IRA!!
And for all of the rest of you dumbkopf’s that keep claiming I dont have a job, please take note of how much per year my Pension Fund has paid into it… IF I didnt have a job, then that wouldnt be paid…
So, to all you idiots that dont know anything about what you post, Neener Neener Neener!!!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 09:12 PM
Chas, you dumbsh*t, you already posted your income. A whopping 20 something thousand a year.
That means you pay less then $1,000 in taxes a year, and you may actually qualify (due to your disabled wife) for EIC and other credits which give you more Credits then what you owe! So you likely not only do NOT pay any taxes, I BET, you get more back from ME and other hard-working American taxpayers then what you even pay in!
Deadbeat.
well I’ve some health issues of my own.
I don’t prostitute them here. I also have not applied for disability. Oh I grant you it USED to be easy to get.
Now it’s almost impossible. Again I haven’t applied. Just do s search.
Out? Fact is “kansas” lies about everything else. It’s a coin flip if he’s a vet at all. What? He SAYS he is? Under which nic?
26,500/year for twenty years isn’t much to retire on Chas. Even with SS, you gonna be sucking dry on the financial side. You need to diversify and invest in some mutual funds, IRA or something. Twenty years from now you will be at the very bottom rung of the latter with that income.
Geez, AW… your tin god Bush has given you so many tax cuts, what are you complaining about??
You should be VERY happy about your tax status!! And if you arent, remember what Party has controlled Congress since Newt’s Rebellion in 1994… Cant blam their crap on Democrats!!!
But… if I know the Con mentality, they will anyway!!! LOL
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 09:15 PM
IF you earned income, then you got a tax cut too Chas.
Everyone with earned income received a tax cut. And Child Care credits were increased during the Republican controlled Congress, as requested by – BUSH!
403(b) plan is a tax advantaged retirement savings plan available for public education organizations, some non-profit employers (only US Tax Code 501(c)(3) organizations) and self-employed ministers in the United States.
Annual Contribution Limits For 2006 For 2007
Maximum 401(k), 403(b), 457 plan contribution $15,000 $15,500
IRAs (deductible, nondeductible, and Roth) $4,000 $4,000
Just passin by and saw the fracus. Chas you are being had buddy. You qualify for some bigtime retirement plans and all you are gettin is a measly 4600.
Before i retired i had over 5000 a month going into my iras and 401 and i ain’t living any to grand. Course no one was giving it to me. Most of it was coming right out of my pocket.
Not going to do much for you especially with SS goin away.
Hey Max, thats a GREAT idea, why dont you retire, and take as many Cons with you as you can…
Well Chas, that’s a real interesting idea. In fact, your government is quietly and somewhat secretly very, very concerned that Max might just do that.
Max, I believe has stated he is a baby boomer. You might be too.
Do you know there are 77 million boomers? Do you fully appreciate the POWER that AARP has today with only a few millions.
Just wait. Wait until the boomers retire in full (in force).
America, “ain’t seen nothin’ yet”.
The power that those 77 million will wield. The strength of their numbers – all like minded:
GIVE ME MINE
Today, the AARP refuses to consider a reduction in COLA. Today AARP refues to consider individual retirement accounts (horrible, horrendous). Today they cry:
WE EARNED IT
(sidebar: Individual retirement accounts are A-OK now. Hillary has proposed them. Read 401K)
So just THINK about 77 million of us.
In 1950, there were 12 working Americans for every 1 person on SS. Today, I believe there are 3.
Just wait.
The Beatles said it best. When the few remaining young people have to support all the
GIMMEEE!!!
programs socialist enact today,
say you want a revolution, yea-yea!
Oh, and Max, one of the things about Socialism… EVERYBODY works so ALL can hve their needs met… from the greatest to the least!!! You might want to remember that!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 09:18 PM
DEFINE your Socialism Chas. You are the only one on this planet who thinks everyone works under Socialism.
You warped SOB.
“…he thinks everyone that is retired military who earned their paycheck is sponging from the government.”Posted by: Kansas
Slack there Kansas. My military paycheck is only partly sponging from the government.
Chas. says since he did not pay into his retirement it is fully funded. I wonder if military retirement is “fully funded”.
But really, servicemember do pay some of their retirement; most just do not know it. Military payraises are always less than the Cost of Living increase. Part of this reduction is because future retirement is figured into the actual raise.
BTW Chas., my retirement is “unfunded” and it has nothing to do with who paid into it.
Max?
Your insecurity is showing.
The “three bigger billy goat thing”
Dead give away.Tell the truth Max. It’s just us. Haven’t you ever wanted to just cut loose on the boss? Don’t you ever get tired going against your own common sense just because somebody has a bigger title than you?
No matter how you cut it, I stil dont qualify for a 401K, OR an IRA!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 09:26 PM
YOu may qualify for a Roth IRA.Unless of course, you make more than 125K annually single. 250K joint.
PS: Half a million is not squat.Using present tables, withdrawal of 4% maximum annually yields you just $20,000 annual income.
Wow! JR was a frigin Shop Steward!
I’m impressed!
I wonder if he still has the taste of his union boss’s shoe leather in his mouth.
Didn’t know they had a union for grass cutters.
Skilled labor that is.
You made your own rep here “kansas” There’s a hopper full of your half baked ranting here.
I’ll tell you what. Redeem yourself. PROVE you are what you say you are. This biz of you get to say anything you want is wearing thin without some proof.
Military payraises are always less than the Cost of Living increase. Part of this reduction is because future retirement is figured into the actual raise.
You the man Hud.
I get a 1099R each year and can view my RAS at mypay. Nuf said?
Semper Fi.
JR, Mommy is calling.
You need to go get her some Pudding Snack before she can go to bed.
Remember, if you are not a proper servant for her, she won’t continue to pay your way in life, and she might even kick you out of her house.
Tough neighborhood, right, with your Mother in it!
Chas don’t want ya to sleep badly tonite but man that retirement you have is way underfunded. If your union you need to talk to the stewart. If not – i guess your just up a creek without an oar.
I’m very proud of what I do and what I’ve done Max.
I’m sorry you aren’t.
Hey I understand though. Most people DO have to play the game.
I wish there was a way to get that stopped. But I’ve done my part in that department.
Ohhh Chas!! Oh where Oh where did my Chas go? Oh where Oh where could he be?
He claims I lied, but has not
answered me yet,
Oh where Oh where could he be?
(Show you are a man. Show you are a man of God. Admit I didn’t say it.)
do you have some LINK that can PROVE that a 401K is Federally Funded??? huh??? huh???
Posted by: Chas.
Please show me where I said they were federally funded.
Posted by: American Way | October 11, 2007 at 09:12 PM
Posted by: American Way | October 11, 2007 at 09:13 PM
Max you are making yourself look very foolish.
I was away when you started posting here. Now and again, I would weigh in when I was over at moms helping out. She’s widowed and I try to do what I can.
Now…if I lived there? Why I would have been here to give you a proper welcome.
Ya get that one for free flunky.
J R
Instead of, “Now and again, ”
Try using “Now and then”.
..Save the world
Well AW, HUD, Kansas, ksgrm, I’m calling it a night.
Working people cannot stay up all night an blog away on the Internet.
Time for the Suck Puppet Liberals to come out now in droves.
I notice JR took a break to give a Snack Pack and God knows what else to his Mommy. He can’t afford to piss her off though.
Chas must be in one of his numerous bible study/prayer sessions. He just has so little time to devote to blogging all day and all night. Devoted Devout One He Is.
Where’s CFUK tonight? He must only blog during the day while he is “working”.
Sure miss that dope.
Now and again is correct Pat.
Do you have anything else to share? Or….are you just here to appreciate me?
Think I’ll let you hang.
AN TI CI Pation…
Let’s just overlook this, and keep crying about Clinton’s missle tech. lapse.US says illegal weapons exports growing By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
37 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – Missile technology, fighter jet parts, night vision goggles and other U.S. wartime equipment increasingly are being illegally smuggled to potential adversaries, such as China and Iran, the federal government said Thursday.
ADVERTISEMENTLast week, two Utah men were arrested for allegedly trying to sell parts over the Internet for F-4 and F-14 fighter jets — which are only flown by Iran. The week before, two engineers were indicted in San Jose, Calif., on charges of stealing computer chip designs intended for the Chinese military.
Government lawyers and investigators Thursday described a growing number of unauthorized exports that could be dangerous if the parts and supplies end up in the hands of terrorists or hostile nations.
“The concept of terrorists, criminals or rogue nations obtaining weapons and other restricted technology is chilling,” said Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Julie Myers, who oversees illegal export investigations as head of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Assistant Attorney General Ken Wainstein called new government efforts to crack down on illegal exports the Justice Department’s top counterintelligence priority.
A Pentagon report noted a 43 percent increase in 2005 in what it described as suspicious foreign contacts with U.S-based defense companies. Another report last year by U.S. intelligence officials found that a record 108 nations were trying to buy or otherwise obtain U.S. technology that is restricted for sale. It did not list which nations or specify whether some of them were U.S. allies.
Night vision goggles, body armor and equipment used in improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, have been in particular demand since the 2001 terror attacks that prompted the U.S.-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, officials said. But some prosecutors have been reluctant to pursue the smugglers because illegal export cases can be very complicated and time-consuming to chase.
“These are incredibly complicated cases,” Wainstein said, adding that training and assistance will be given to prosecutors and investigators working on a new task force under the departments of State, Justice, Homeland Security, Defense, Commerce and the FBI. The task force largely will focus on U.S.-based exporters who sell or ship equipment overseas without proper authorization.
Other recent smuggling cases of concern to national security officials include:
_An Indonesian man was indicted in Madison, Wis., Thursday on charges of conspiring to export rifle scopes to Indonesia.
_Pittsburgh company SparesGlobal, Inc., was sentenced last week for lying about exporting equipment used in nuclear reactors and ballistic missiles in 2003 that ended up in Pakistan.
_A man in California pleaded guilty in August to trying to smuggle 100,000 Uzi submachine guns and night vision goggles to Iranian government officials.
_Two men pleaded guilty in California on the same day, Aug. 1, to exporting military-use technology to China, including, in one case, computer code to help train fighter pilots.
Hey Pat bro, you still here?
Long time no see!
Good time at the range the other night. Blew the bejeebers outta things with the 50 cal auto didn’t we?
California authorities have sought businessman Norman Hsu for 15 years. Since 2004, he has carved out a place of honor raising cash for such candidates as Hillary Rodham Clinton.
By Chuck Neubauer and Robin Fields, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
August 29, 2007
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/hillary-fundraiser-hsu-wanted-for-grand-theft
Hillary is quacking like a socialist (again), why can’t liberals
Hillary is quacking like a socialist (again), why can’t liberals say the “S” word?To a liberal, giving every child born on USA soil (this includes illegal parents) $5000, sounds like a great way to start a new life. The flaw, to those who don’t choose to drink Hillary’s Kool Aid, is where is this $5000 coming from? Of course it’s tax-payers.
If this isn’t a clear case of re-distribution of wealth and Euro-Trash socialism, then Bill Clinton is not an adulterer.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070929062110AARsVZM
Suck Puppet hours have now begun.
All straight people must now leave.
JR/Chas, I’m sure you will both have a good time together by yourselves now.
Goodnight and God Bless, whatever the hell you think that means!
All too easy. They aint making con bloggers like they used to.
I may have hunted my way out of
a hobby.
All too easy. They aint making con bloggers like they used to.
I may have hunted my way out of
a hobby.
Posted by: J R
You are rough and tough like alligator baggies junior barns (JR).
You are so hard I could rollerskate on you.
You are big and bad, like LeRoyBrown.
I hope your above post stroked your ego for the night.
Cause you got both hands under the table poking your pod.
Ohhh Chas!! Oh where Oh where did my Chas go? Oh where Oh where could he be?
He claims I lied, but has not
answered me yet,
Oh where Oh where could he be?
(Show you are a man. Show you are a man of God. Admit I didn’t say it.)
do you have some LINK that can PROVE that a 401K is Federally Funded??? huh??? huh???
Posted by: Chas.
Please show me where I said they were federally funded.
Posted by: American Way | October 11, 2007 at 09:12 PM
Posted by: American Way | October 11, 2007 at 09:13 PM
Posted by: American Way | October 11, 2007 at 09:42 PM
To: American WayFrom: Blog Control
Subject: Repeated Posts
As of 2205 on 20071011, subject poster has requested a response numerous times from poster: CHAS.
There has been no response.
Conclusion:
1. Chas is not man enough to reply.
2. Chas is not a man of God enough to reply, and is not exhibiting Lutheran Christian values.
3. Davy and Goliath would be ashamed.
Blog Control Over and Out
Pat dear?
You are………well you are embarrassing yourself.
Look at your last post.
“Hard” “Stroke”
And then projecting my hands where you want yours to be.
LOL
Who needs Letterman OR Cinemax on this blog at night?
J R.
You are a funny person.
You obviously have zero idea just who I am.
And it’s killing you.
Ever heard of Google dumbshit?
JR PRE-SPELL CHECK
Instead of “Dachsund” try “Dachshund”.Instead of “untehtered” try something else.Instead of “Fortuately” try “fortunately”Instead of “alright” try using “all right”.Instead of “A hidded provision” try using “A hidden provision”Instead of “noifying parents” try using “noifying parents”Instead of “oontrol” try using “control”Instead of “working to gentle this breed” to make this breed more gentle”Instead of “Good on them” try “Good for them”Instead of “lots to learn” try using “ a lot to learn”Instead of “stome hand axe” try using something in English like “stone hand axe”Instead of “Your history” try using “you’re history” when making the contractionInstead of “I dropped an R. New Keyboard.” Try the truth. Anyone typing knows this.Instead of “with pit bull” try “with a pit bull”Instead of “Oh? Are all the “billy goats” arrogant boobs as well?” The guy should take a basic English class on grammar.
MEREDITH, N.H. (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani on Monday accused Democrats of favoring a controlling “nanny government” as he continued his bashing of the rival party.The former New York mayor, opening a two-day campaign trip in the first primary state, also claimed that Democrats would raise taxes between 20 percent to 30 percent. He offered no specifics to back up those figures.”Democrats are kind of falling over each other seeing who can raise taxes faster,” Giuliani said. “It looks like they’re going to raise taxes anywhere between 20 to 30 percent. John Edwards just said he’s going to raise the capital gains tax double that. Last time we did that, we lost 40 percent in revenue. The last time we did what John Edwards is discussing, the United States lost revenue by basically discouraging people from making investments.”Edwards has proposed raising capital gains taxes for the wealthy while creating tax breaks for the middle class.At a later appearance in Wolfeboro — where rival Mitt Romney has a lakefront summer home — Giuliani said the solution lies in lower taxes.”We should love this problem of taxes being too high by lowering taxes,”he said, standing on the steps of an ice cream shop.Last week, Giuliani called the Democrats the “party of losers” and singled out Edwards and Democratic Sen. Barack Obama for criticism on economics and foreign policy.Giuliani argued that he favors less government and lower taxes.”That’s what makes America great, not this nanny government that Democrats want to give us, where government controls your entire life,”he said.Giuliani leads in some national polls, but trails former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by double figures in the most recent New Hampshire surveys.On Tuesday, Giuliani intends to outline his health care plan. Giuliani’s goal is to give individuals more control over health care decisions and to encourage state officials to come up with innovative solutions.Key to his plan is a $15,000 tax deduction for families to buy private health insurance, instead of getting insurance through employers. Any leftover funds could be rolled over year-to-year for medical expenses, under Giuliani’s plan.”That cash allows you to go out and buy cheaper and cheaper policies; you can have higher and higher deductibles,” Giuliani said earlier this month in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.He compared private health plans to plasma TVs, saying the plans would come down in cost as demand grows.Edwards criticized the pending plan in a statement.”Rudy Giuliani’s tinkering does not come close to solving the problems of a broken health care system that leaves 45 million uninsured or tens of millions facing financial ruin because of inadequate insurance,”Edwards said.Copyright (c) 2007 The Associated Press
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=37609&dcn=todaysnews
Your real name is Google dumbshit? My sympathies.
Well thought I’d check in on the ole Kansas Weblog after a night at more productive discussions where people don’t put such heavy emphasis on flaming each other.
I was hoping someone might respond to my posts on RED versus BLUE states. I think it does matter.
But I see this blog is a waste again.
Night all. I’ve got to get my sleep. I have to make lot’s of money tomorrow so I can pay my taxes and be ready for Hillary’s additional theft from me. I guess they call that taxes here.
do you have some LINK that can PROVE that a 401K is Federally Funded??? huh??? huh???
Posted by: Chas.
For the last time Chas (I know you are still lurking).
When and where did I say this?
If I don’t see an answer shortly, I will post you lied all day tomorrow. It is a crying shame that someone who claims to be anoutstanding and respected religious citizen and preacher cannot simply say, “Oops, I read your post wrong. Sorry.”
J R
I have captured all your posts this evening.
I think they are a great example of the quality of postings on the WEBLOG and what owners of the Wichita Eagle is paying for.
Particularly as a democrat poster.
I’ll post them again, after I’ve successfully emailed them elsewhere.
You are a stellar example and proud representative of the finest traditions of the democratic party. I’ll give you that.
And I am certain, the rational, and intelligent corps members of the DNC are very proud of your efforts hereonto pertaining.
I will share them over a chocolatemartini in Washington, with some of my associates.
They really need to understand fully, the high quality of liberals hidden in the few populated burgs of Kansas.
They might think about you, as they fly over.
Knock yourself out there “American Way” It’s nice to be appreciated.Wow, back just two weeks and such accolades.
I was just doing a little looking at the goings on while I was
away.
I can do the next 2 years on the spittle of kansasJM.
J R can’t do squat.
He threatened to do the same thing before, made the same claims, he failed.
J R is just another Liberal gas bag.
American Way, don’t forget to include the lying posts made by the multi-named troll Kansas, aka, Republican, aka ** K H A N **, aka ‘blank’, aka stolen J M Walker’s nic, etc.
Such as his completely false claim: “The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f.html#comment-70787152http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74527572
And the multi-named poster “Kansas” claims that he represents “Kansas values”.
Oh, and don’t forget that Kansas had at least three of his posts deleted. And Kansas claimed that he was banned from WE Blog.
Well, AW… Why should I give you any satisfaction, since all you are is a phony Troll….
BUt, you are the one who said that if Hillary got her 401K program, that it would cost YOU as a tax payer… I believe that comes under the general heading of federally funded…
Let’s see you lie your way out of that one???
And whoever said I was a Lutheran??? Hmmmm??? I have never said that… That much is very well known… SO, whoever said that is LYING as well…
cosmos, the resident blog stalker still brings up post made months ago. He is truly a child of the GORACLE and Theodore “the Uni Bomber” Kaczynski. Notice the dates , May – June…Talk about obsession – cosmos is definitely Kaczynski class – a stalking nut job outside the realm of normal human behavior.
And now, it is time for bed… Long day tomorrow….
Good Night; Good Luck; and God Bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
By the way, the Black Environmental Group of Louisiana still blames the Sierra Club for their Lawsuits that screwed up funding for the Mississippi River Basin projects. Sierra club is a menace to society, a bunch of environmental terrorists.
One note… on my way out… I have never posted on this or any other Blog what my annual income is… So, all of you know-it-alls, are WRONG…. And, for what it’s worth, my 3rd Quarter Pension Fund report speculates that at my current rate of funding in my Pension Fund, I should retire with an annual income of approximately $49,650…
Lots better than that $20K that one of your clowns asserted earlier… Just shows what you dont and cant know, if you dont know the right numbers..
Oh, and the real joke of it all is, IF my cancer doesnt go away, I wont ever live long enough to collect ONE PENNY of that Pension… LOL
Chas, your the clown that put of the 525,000 figure, not any one else.
If you don’t give the right figures, then you can come back and claim what you want.
Being deceptive isn’t being right about something, just means you failed to inform of the proper figures. With that input you gave, I seriously doubt you will be retiring at 49,650 – something is seriously wrong with the figures you gave.
Nite now!! I see my fruit is ready now…
Well, what I said about the $525,000 doesnt include intererst for the next 6-7 years either…
SO — since I didnt SAY that, you assumed what you didnt KNOW… which is normal here…
SO, I think I will trust my Pension Statement, and not your silly prattling, about something that you know nothing about… which is also normal here… Nite now!!
BTW, Our Pension Fund is currently earning at a rate of approx. 14.2% for this year… We have some very good people working at the Pension Fund…
Oh yea, I cant collect a FULL Pension alottment for 9 years… I can get a smaller amount in 6-7 years… Depending on the cancer prognosis, I might retire at 62 or 63… Otherwise, I have to work until age 65 to collect a full pension….
They have investments in Darfur?
I seriously doubt it… We divested our South African funds over 20 years ago… So, I seriously doubt we would have anything in Darfur Region… In fact, I dont think we have anything invested in Africa at all!!
I take that back… We have funds in Africa to fund our mission endeavors in South Africa, Tanzania, and Kenya, and Liberia… Those I am sure of… But no investment funds in Africa.
Thanks the assist cosmos.
And now “kansas”JM
Earlier, you called me an amateur. Well you are right about that.
I was on webtv. I knew nothing of computers. A friend and fellow blogger offered to help me out. Now he had some other things to do in the meantime. I was patient. I had a friend who wanted to help me out. And I wanted to let him do that.
I wish you could know how that feels “kansas”
Well “kansas” the upshot is I have that computer now. I learn more on it every day. I also have many friends glad I’m back. And I’ve a few on your side of things who I hope I’ve won their respect.
See? You have none of this.
Oh there are those on “your side” who are happy you fill so much space here. But I don’t think they really like allying with you. I sure don’t think they respect you.
So, here it is “kansas”JM, your last chance.
I’d really rather spend my time another way.
Last I heard, we dont even have anything in Walmart anymore either… Pension Boards had some arguments with Walmart over a few things… so they pulled our investments…
JR — you can get my email address, and phone number from CapN… if you want… I am still in town for now, but most likely not for long… If you get my phone number, give me a call…
I’ll get with you soon Chas. I don’t have Capn’s email yet.
JR… I think you can reach CapN on his Blue Nic when he is on the Blog… I think if you click on that, he has his email address listed on that web site… I could be wrong too!!
JR — CapN’s email address is on that Blue Nic… Click on it and then click on his email link… Just tell him you want my email address, and phone number… If he doesnt have my phone number, just send me email, and I will get it to you… OK???
Nite nite JR… bed time here… Long day tomorrow!!
Thanks for the warning J R.
I’ll have trouble sleeping tonight.
Zzzzz..maybe not.
ONCE AGAIN, WAKE UP CITIZEN’S !!!
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—————————————————————————————————————————————————————-INVASION USAIllegal aliens murder12 Americans dailyDeath toll in 2006 far overshadows totalU.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan
——————————————————————————–Posted: November 28, 20061:00 a.m. Eastern
By Joseph Farah© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – While the military “quagmire” in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
“cosmos, the resident blog stalker still brings up post made months ago.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 11, 2007 at 11:11 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread-1-8.html#comment-86112660
Mr. “Kansas values”, the multi-named “Kansas”, seems to believe that LIES become truths, after a few “months”.
Mr. “Kansas values”, aka “Kansas”, please tell us WHY you seem to believe that.
Chas–
Don’t let these plicks try to scare you.
Half a million is plenty to retire on. 5 percent interest (a decent CD) x 500,000 is 25 grand a year without even drawing on the principle. SS will pay you anywhere between 15 to 20 grand in today’s money.
And because they want to believe it so badly, they are all convinced that SS is going broke. W thought SS would go broke in 1988.
It’s the only part of our gov’t that ISN’T broke.
You may well have more income when you retire than you have now.
Yep Thats the way it looks to me… But, Since I opted out of SS, I wont get that… But I will do very good, since the $525,000 is what the fund is currently… And I still have 9 years left to be paid into it!! And the fund is earning at about 14.2% as of the end of 3rd Quarter!
Uh, Chas, I’d check into getting into the SS system.
Even 10 years or so in would give you a guaranteed revenue stream after you retire.
On the other hand, your fund should easily double in 9 years.
Unless Commander Cod-Piece invades Iran. Then who the hell knows what’ll happen . . .
SS will pay you anywhere between 15 to 20 grand in today’s money.
That’s an amazing amount from SS!I would never claim to be such an expert. I hope noone is listening to you:
$895Average monthly Social Security benefit check for retired workers in 2002. This compares with $834 for disabled workers and $861 for widows and widowers. (Source: soon-to-be-released Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2003.)
$989Average monthly Social Security benefit check for retired workers in New Jersey — highest among states. Connecticut and Michigan followed, at $981 and $964, respectively. (Source: soon-to-be-released Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2003.)
$9,786Average income for people 65 and over in 2001 that came from Social Security payments. This compares with an average total income of $22,210.
BTW, Chas can go to the SS Administration and request the annual statement we all get – at any time. Even if he worked as a oung man, before he was exempt, it will be reflected on the report.
And please Chas, don’t take MY word for it, I don’t claim to be an expert. Personal finance is too important to take just any Tom, Dick, or Captains word for it.
SS administration is only a click away.
Also, do not underestimate the cost of insurance premiums and out-of-pocket costs. Hillary isn’t there yet.
BUt, you are the one who said that if Hillary got her 401K program, that it would cost YOU as a tax payer… I believe that comes under the general heading of federally funded…
Let’s see you lie your way out of that one???
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Nice try Chas, but trying to confuse the issue will not work.
Below is your original response to my first post today:
401K’s cant be used by people that dont work… AND, I dont know that it is a federally funded program… I would have to see a LINK to prove that allegation!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 11, 2007 at 08:32 PM
To which, I replied to show me where I said 401K – today are federally funded. I yes, I also stated in my original post that it would cost 25 billion. You didn’t need a link for a PROPOSAL by Hillary. You wanted a link because you thought I said the program TODAY is federally funded.I never ever said that. And you already KNEW Hillary proposed to use billions to fund it and of course you knew it would be a federally funded program.
You try to confuse and mislead, instead of just admitting the truth.
Nice try, but you are no Christian and certainly NOT a minister of God. Because you lie.