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Junk Science: Global Warming’s Trillion-Dollar Turkey
Thursday, October 04, 2007
By Steven Milloy
A trillion dollars doesn’t buy what it used to — at least when it comes to global warming, according to a new analysis from the Environmental Protection Agency.
Last July, this column reported that the latest global warming bill — the Low Carbon Economy Act of 2007, introduced by Sens. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M. and Arlen Specter, R-Pa. — would cost taxpayers more than $1 trillion in its first 10 years and untold trillions of dollars in subsequent decades.
This week, the EPA sent its analysis of the bill’s impact on climate to Bingaman and Specter. Now we can see what we’d get for our money, and we may as well just build a giant bonfire with the cash and enjoy toasting marshmallows over it.
For reference purposes, the current level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is about 380 parts per million. The EPA estimates that if no action is taken to curb CO2 emissions, the atmospheric concentration of CO2 would be 718 ppm by 2095.
If the Bingaman-Specter bill were implemented, however, the EPA estimates that CO2 levels would be 695 ppm — a whopping reduction of 23 ppm.
cont’d athttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299419,00.html
Ed might have enjoyed this, on Cspan book today they had the two side of a story. The co-authors of a book name “ Israel lobby and U.S. Foreign policy”. The book talks about how Israel influences United States policy and touches on the link between the Neoconservatives and the Israel lobby APAC, JDL and the like.It was the two whom convinced Bush and Cheney to attack Iraq and are still trying to influence the administration to attack Iran and Syria. Neither actually have the power to force the U.S. into an attack, but they will lobby hard to bring it about. The Authors noted that a common tactic of the lobby and Neocons is that if anyone said anything about the influence. They are accused of being Anti-Semites…..
An hour later the author of a counter book to Israel lobby named “Deadly lies”. Yeah he accused them of being Anti-Semites.
Now I guess this all brings up a question, Ed has in the past interchanged the terms “Israel” and “Jews”.If someone said anything about Israel decrying the nation’s actions, is it being an Anti-Semite or just pointing out some action that is questionable?
I mean if someone from another country points out the injustice of Slavery or how the Indians were treated.Should it be taken as they are criticizing the United States or Christianity?
Maybe both?? but more than likely government policy…. And since we are NOT a Christian Nation, as so many of the far Right Wing insist, it cant realy be used as an accurate comparison… Use another country for comparison… like maybe Turkey, or Iran, where the overwhelming majority are Moslem…. THEN your analogy works better!!
The US-led “war on terror” has been a “disaster” and Washington and its allies must change their policy in Iraq and Afghanistan to defeat Al-Qaeda, an independent global security think tank said Monday.
The Oxford Research Group (ORG) said in a report that Western strategy since the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States had failed to extinguish the threat from Islamist extremism and even fuelled it.
“Every aspect of the war on terror has been counterproductive in Iraq and Afghanistan, from the loss of civilian life through mass detentions without trial. In short, it has been a disaster,http://breitbart.com/article.php?id=071008003156.4a37l4c6&show_article=1&catnum=0
The Iraq War is still the right thing to do, regardless if it has been mismanaged or has lost political support from Democrats.
We have always been in War with Iraq since the first Gulf War and throughout the Clinton years. It’s just we decided that Saddam needed to be taken out and regime change was needed. Signed by Bill Clinton.
People who come out against the Iraq War and de-motivate our troops and want the USA to loose the war are a bunch of American hating leftist. If you are against the Iraq War because you are a pacifist then I can respect that.
But I have no sympathy for American hating leftist.
Joe,Your whole above statement is so ridiculous as to be funny, in a sick sort of way.
“People who come out against the Iraq War and de-motivate our troops and want the USA to loose the war are a bunch of American hating leftist“.
So Joe does that mean the leftists who pushed for the war with Iraq ( the Neoconservatives are Socialists) they are the good American loving leftists?That would be a bit of an oxymoron I would think!
“de-motivate” Joe?
“want the USA to loose the war”?
Heh he more more!
It would seem the top four GOP candidates not only do not feel the need to court the Minority vote. But also the “Value voter” vote to according to what has been reported.At the first ever “Value voters debate and straw poll” held in FT. Lauderdale, Fl.
Giuliani, Romney, Thompson and Mc Cain all were no shows for the debate and Poll.Mike Huckabee was the winner of the straw poll held by Christian conservative leaders.Among the other GOP candidates that did show up and answer questions were.Tancredo, Cox, Brownback, Paul Hunter and Keys.
Janet Folger, President of Faith2Action, is quoted as saying, “The candidates who did not show think the Value voters have no where else to go (on election day), but that’s no longer the case. We took the Value voters out of the back of the bus. We’re going to drive this bus. If the Value voters gets out to vote, we can clearly select the candidate of our choosing.”.
Iraqi President Backs US Senate Proposal to Decentralize Iraq
http://voanews.com/english/2007-10-08-voa7.cfm
The Kurds are operating under the proposed plan, already. They have an area with oil, and will definitely come out on top.
“Sandy Berger, who stole highly classified terrorism documents from the National Archives, destroyed them and lied to investigators, is now an adviser to presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.”
http://www.examiner.com/a-977346~He_s_back__Sandy_Berger_now_advising_Hillary_Clinton.html
Joe Williams,
“People who come out against the Iraq War and de-motivate our troops and want the USA to loose the war are a bunch of American hating leftist. If you are against the Iraq War because you are a pacifist then I can respect that.
But I have no sympathy for American hating leftist.”
Well, nobody cares who you do or don’t have sympathy for, Joe. You’re a Right Wing suck-up with a flawed interpretion of history, who projects all his own insecurities and dislikes onto a category of scapegoats you like to call “America hating leftists.”
As for your rewriting of history, when Clinton signed the act recommending regime change, he did so with the express provision that FORCE was not to be used. You also try to reinvent history by pretending that the Bush Administration didn’t lie us into war by threatening us with the specter of mushroom clouds over American cities.
Play the Right-Wing zombie if you like, Joe Williams. There will always be somebody on this board to beat you back down into the grave.
Lying Right Wing putz.
“Sandy Berger, who stole highly classified terrorism documents from the National Archives, destroyed them and lied to investigators, is now an adviser to presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.”
http://www.examiner.com/a-977346~He_s_back__Sandy_Berger_now_advising_Hillary_Clinton.html
Posted by: Hud | October 08, 2007 at 09:27 AM
Hud you have hit the nail on the head with this article. Will any Hillary supporter on this blog have the courage to look at the truth about Berger.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/06/sandy_berger_and_the_clinton_c.html
We sentence a man (Libby) to prison for lying about a crime that didn’t happen and reward a felon (Berger) by making him a campaign advisor to a wanta be prez.
After spending a week in DC it is good to be back in Kansas where the air is clearer. The media there (The Washington Times) covered it but the Post didn’t – no surprise there. The real reason this happened is an eyeopener. I blame the repubs as well as the demos for this cover up.
Anyone who votes for Hillary for prez deserves what happens next. Unfortunately we are all living in the same nation and will suffer right along with them.
Ksgrm
Chas in a round about way that was the point I was trying to make. The actions of Israel are those of a nation and not a religion, they are motivated by the desire to continue the existence of the nation.Yet Some will turn any criticism of their actions into a matter of attacking the religion.
That is a straw man argument, a way to derail and distract from the real issue and silence any who speak out. I applaud many things that Israel has been able to do, but in the same light I also accuse them of over stepping the boundaries at times.
The people of Israel have a right to exist, but no more or no less then the people of Palestine.
It is Israel right to seek its own best interest, but then the United States has just as much right too.recently there has been an interesting question raised, even if Iran get the bomb whom are they going to use it on? Israel according to the authors of the book, has 25 Nuclear weapons. Even if they had none and Iran used a Nuke on them. We would respond and we have enough nukes to destroy the entire world several times over. Setting off a nuclear bomb in Israel which is surrounded by Arab countries would not make brownie points for Iran. What would they gain?
As to whether America is a Christian nation or not Chas, like it or not we have the title. That is how the Moslems see us, that is how the Israelis see us. Our foreign policy is molded by those that see it as our “Christian duty” to defend Israel. Some of the most extreme see it as our duty to perish rather then allow a hair to be knocked out of place on Israel’s head.
In a unprovoked attack upon Israel I would see it our duty to come to their aid. But not to fight for them instead of them fighting for themselves.
Welcome back Ksgrm.
Not sure when you got back; I have been out of the area for the last few days. No internet.
Larry “Restroom Sex” Craig is staying in the Senate.
He was for resigning before he was against it.
He said he was guilty before he said he was innocent.
Republicanism, the gift that keeps on giving.
Past Clouds Candidates’ Donor ListsNames From ’90s Scandal Among Clinton ‘Bundlers’
By John Solomon and Matthew MoskThursday, September 20, 2007; A01
A list of the donors who have “bundled” large sums from dozens of individuals to give to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign includes several figures who were involved in the 1990s Democratic Party fundraising scandal that tarnished her husband’s record.
Among them is an Oklahoma oilman who testified in the mid-1990s that the firm he worked for, owned by Democratic fundraisers, sought to curry favor with Bill Clinton’s administration by providing payments and a golf club membership to a Cabinet secretary’s son…
Clinton includes on her list of “Hillraisers” — those who have committed to raising more than $100,000 for her White House bid — several financiers linked to past troubles. They include Marvin Rosen, the former Democratic National Committee finance chairman whose efforts to reward six-figure party donors with attendance at White House coffees and overnight stays in the Lincoln Bedroom became the focal point of Senate hearings into fundraising abuses…
William Stuart Price, the Oklahoma oilman also on the “Hillraiser” list, stunned a courtroom in 1995 when he detailed how his former gas company had tried to “gain influence” with the Clinton administration by providing $160,000 in money and membership in a ritzy Washington golf club to the son of a Cabinet secretary…
Price’s testimony became the focal point of a criminal investigation of Ron Brown, then commerce secretary and a former chairman of the Democratic Party. The inquiry ended with the conviction of Price’s former bosses, Nora and Gene Lum, for making illegal donations.
Also on the list is former senator Robert G. Torricelli (D-N.J.), who withdrew from a 2002 reelection campaign after being “severely admonished” by the Senate for taking lavish gifts from a businessman and contributor, David Chang…
“It seems like deja vu,” said Michael Madigan, a Republican lawyer who helped lead an extensive investigation into the Clinton administration’s 1996 fundraising practices by then-Sen. Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.). “It sounds like a carbon copy of the last Clinton campaign.” …
“The most important thing I learned about this issue is that all campaigns have the same problem, regardless of party or candidate: How do you know who has skeletons and who does not?” said Lanny Davis, who as special counsel to Bill Clinton handled campaign finance issues for him from 1996 to 1998. “Let’s face it: Campaign organizations are not ‘CSI’ — not even close — even if they’d like to be.” …
Well, if the moral ethicist (and Pakistan lobbyist) Lanny Davis says it’s okay, then it must be okay.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wp-finds-former-shady-donors-on-hillarys-list
If Hillary is so religious all of a sudden, why does she need a Baptist faith consultant?
Hillary Clinton hires faith consultant for potential presidential campaignBy Robert MarusPublished December 14, 2006
WASHINGTON (ABP) — Following a trend of Democrats becoming more faith-friendly, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) has hired a Baptist “faith guru” for her expected 2008 presidential campaign.
Burns Strider, who has been the head of religious outreach for the House Democratic Caucus since 2005, will join Clinton’s campaign staff, according to the Hotline. The online daily is the politics arm of the National Journal, one of Washington’s oldest political publications.
http://www.abpnews.com/1569.article
“Republicanism, the gift that keeps on giving.”Posted by: CapnAmerica
Clinton was for some torture before she was against it.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_po/the_clinton_trap
Hard to keep track of all of Hillary’s Crooked Friends:
Indictments Mount for Hillary Aides
A mounting number of aides, advisers and fund-raisers for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton have faced criminal prosecution in recent months, conjuring up memories of her ethically challenged past just as Democrats begin to focus on the former first lady as their probable 2008 presidential nominee.
Though press coverage of the trial of Sen. Clinton’s finance director, David Rosen, was sparse last week, the case has brought attention to the prosecutions of at least three more Clinton fund-raisers.
Story Continues Below
And that’s on top of the plea bargain reached with the Justice Department in March by a senior foreign policy adviser to the former first lady.
Five members of Mrs. Clinton’s inner circle now face indictment or trial, or have pleaded guilty to an array or crimes, with the news of the prosecutorial deluge emerging in just the last few months.
David Rosen, who served as Mrs. Clinton’s finance director, is currently on trial in Los Angeles on charges that he cooked the books for her 2000 Senate campaign. If convicted on the three counts of fraud cited in his indictment, Rosen faces 15 years in jail and/or $250,000 in fines.
James Levin, who was a top fund-raiser for Mr. and Mrs. Clinton and served as the White House liaison for other fund-raisers during Mrs. Clinton’s 2000 Senate race, revealed on Thursday that he was cooperating with prosecutors in Rosen’s case after being accused of defrauding the Chicago public school system.
Raymond Reggie, who helped raise $100,000 for Mrs. Clinton 2000 Senate campaign, was indicted in April on bank fraud and conspiracy charges. In exchange for leniency, Reggie agreed to tape-record Clinton campaign insiders about illicit fund-raising activities. He faces up to five years in jail and fines.
Aaron Tonken, who helped organize several fund-raisers for Mrs. Clinton that collected over $1.5 million, agreed in 2002 to cooperate with the FBI investigation into her Senate campaign.
Called “my good friend” by Mrs. Clinton in a video Tonken used to impress celebrities, the key witness lavished gifts on aides to the former first lady and visited the White House seven times in 2000 alone. Mr. Tonken is currently serving a 63-month jail sentence. The Justice Department has yet to release other details of his plea arrangement.
Sandy Berger, who served as Mr. Clinton’s national security adviser and who continues to advise Mrs. Clinton, pleaded guilty in April to the theft and destruction of top secret documents related to the 9/11 Commission investigation. Because of the political sensitivity of Berger’s crime, he was let off with a $10,000 fine and a three-year suspension of his security clearance.As recently as February, Berger was advising Mrs. Clinton, with the New York Times revealing that he helped her prepare an address to a national security conference in Germany.
Since taking office, Sen. Clinton’s star had been on the rise, with Democrats encouraged over polls suggesting she had shed her reputation for ethical controversy. But the renewed swirl of scandal, punctuated by one indictment after another, “has some top party bosses feeling nervous,” the U.K. Observer reported on Sunday.
“This sort of thing just serves to remind people of the Nineties scandals like Whitewater and the Monica Lewinsky affair,” University of California political scientist Shaun Bowler told the paper.
Bowler added, “Some Democrats have short memories – but I don’t think that a lot of American voters do.”
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/15/170936.shtml
“Sandy Berger, who stole highly classified terrorism documents from the National Archives, destroyed them and lied to investigators, is now an adviser to presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.”Posted by: Hud | October 08, 2007 at 09:27 AM
Hud, what’s your point? Is there any kind of charges?
You got nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Not a thing you can do but whine like a little biach.
“If Hillary is so religious all of a sudden, why does she need a Baptist faith consultant?”Posted by: Max | October 08, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Max, what’s your problem with Hillary hiring a “faith consultant”? Is there a law against that? Is it immoral?
Max, you spend your time squealing like a little girl, but you got nothing.
When Hillary gets elected, do us a favor. Line up with the rest of the 28% diehard republicans and march over a clif somewhere. I’m sure you won’t want to live under such horrible conditions, what with all the squealing and crying you’ve done. With as much noise as you’ve made, suicide is the only honorable solution.
Aw shucks Hud, Hillary Clinton changes here mind all the time on torture, just ask Bill.
Torture, that’s what Hillary will do to all of us, if she is President.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_po/the_clinton_trap
Geez, Max, that link you provided is to a tin-foil hat right-wing site. Please don’t insult our intelligence.
For you Steven, it’s a compliment.
XXX, in 2010, when you finally realize what Hillary is doing to America, you will be ahead of me in that suicide line.
I was referring to the sweetness-light link. Don’t know about the others.
On the sweetness-light link there is an an article entitled “The vicious abuse of mainds in Muslim countries” – any bets that Max had to clean himself up after reading that juicy article?
Hmmm, how does the 9/11 Commission Know it received all the documents it requested, since Berger confessed to stealing documents?
And Hillary hires this guy to be on her staff? Why not, he destroyed documents to protect her husband Bill. Loyalty counts.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/08/berger.sentenced/
Sandy Berger fined $50,000 for taking documentsMust perform 100 hours of community service
Thursday, September 8, 2005; Posted: 5:16 p.m. EDT (21:16 GMT)
Sandy Berger, President Clinton’s national security adviser, leaving federal court Thursday..RELATED• Berger to plead guilty
Acts of terror
Sandy Berger
National Archives and Records Administration
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was sentenced Thursday to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them.
Berger must perform 100 hours of community service and pay the fine as well as $6,905 for the administrative costs of his two-year probation, a district court judge ruled.
“I deeply regret the actions that I took at the National Archives two years ago, and I accept the judgment of the court,” Berger said outside the courthouse after his sentencing.
“I’m glad that the 9/11 commission has made clear that it received all the documents that it sought, all the documents that it needed, and I’m pleased to finally have this matter resolved,” he added.
“…any bets that Max had to clean himself up after reading that juicy article?”Posted by: Steven Davis
Speaking from experience, I assume.
The Clinton’s are surrounded by and kept company with felons and former felons. Any quick search reveals thousands of stories about their escapes into the dark side.
More Shady Characters from Hillary’s Past – And Four Key Witnesses Were Not Even Called To Testify! Can you say COVERUP!?!
Did Clinton-appointed federal judge and prosecutor throw the David Rosen criminal case to protect Hillary Clinton?
Hillary Clinton’s campaign finance chairman, David Rosen, was aquitted in his criminal trial in Los Angeles in May of 2005. The lead prosecutor was a 20-year veteran of the Justice Department, Peter Zeidenberg.
Zeidenberg was, coincidentally, the prosecutor who gave a very forceful closing statement in the criminal trial that saw Lewis “Scooter” Libby convicted for lying under oath about a matter that was not a crime.
The conduct of the judge and prosecutor during the criminal case of Rosen should have people questioning whether it was all a sham trial and designed to protect the political future of Hillary Clinton.
FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT INDICTMENT: Rosen was charged “with causing false campaign finance reports to be filed with the Federal Election Commission, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001 and 2.” “In one instance, Rosen is charged with obtaining and delivering to the committee a fraudulent invoice stating that the cost of the concert portion of the event was $200,000, when he knew that the figure had no basis in fact. The concert portion of the event itself cost over $600,000.”
Judge A. Howard Matz was an appointee to the federal bench by, you guessed it, William Jefferson Clinton. Before a word of evidence was heard in the case, the judge made unprecedented prejudicial statements. While outlining instructions to the jury, Matz call Peter Paul “a thoroughly discredited, corrupt individual. He’s a con artist. The fact that he is, is already established.” Matz went on to say that “This isn’t a trial about Senator Clinton.” “Senator Clinton has no stake in this trial as a party or principal.” “She’s not in the loop in any direct way, and that’s something the jury will be told. Mrs. Clinton will not be called to testify in the case.”
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/did_clinton_appointed_judge_throw_rosen_case_to_protect_hillary/
Paul’s Appeal Against Hillary Still Pending – This Ain’t Over Until The Fat Lady Sings!
Mr. Paul continues to produce evidence. His attorneys have submitted a recently obtained tape recording of a 2000 conversation involving Mr. Paul and Mrs. Clinton discussing plans for the fund-raiser, which they contend bolsters the argument she was involved in campaign misdeeds. A state appeals court panel held a hearing Sept. 7 on Mr. Paul’s motion to re-include Mrs. Clinton as a defendant. A decision on that matter is pending.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118973400928827314-rv8T2EM0ONBOhA2IkZOvIVHM_Vc_20071013.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
Speaking of the Fat Lady:
Hillary Clinton Reigns as Queen of Federal Pork: Kevin Hassett
By Kevin Hassett
Clinton, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, placed $2.2 billion worth of earmarks in spending bills from 2002-2006. One would have to concede that she is good at it. In the fiscal 2008 defense-spending bill alone, Clinton successfully attached 26 earmarks worth $148 million, which was the most of any Democrat except Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, who is now chairman of the Armed Services Committee.
Bury the Record
That probably explains why she’s trying to bury her record. But even digging through the limited list of earmarks I could acquire suggested that Clinton has deftly spread federal taxpayers’ money around to parochial projects of questionable public value, sending, for example, $250,000 to the Seneca Knitting Mill, and $200,000 to the Buffalo Urban Arts Center.
Such spending projects might be great local politics, but they produce national outrage as our federal dollars are bled away from health care and national security. Each one may seem small, but collectively they are not.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=aXWIZU3DOyr4
OINK! OINK! OINK! HILLARY OINK CLINTON!
Edwards Slams Top Clinton Strategist’s Ties to BlackwaterEdwards Assails Clinton
as ‘Corporate Democrat’
In a scathing attack, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards went after front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Friday, calling her a “corporate Democrat,” comparing top Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn to former Bush aide Karl Rove and assailing Penn’s ties to Blackwater USA, the embattled private firm of military contractors accused by the Iraqi government of firing upon and killing 11 unarmed Iraqi civilians last month.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3694881&page=1
(Edwards growing balls? Or just taking Hillary’s?)
Max,
So, the prospect of President Hilary evidently has got your manhood (or lack thereof) up in a dander.
Pretty funny to watch the Wingnut Hilary Hysteria kicking up a year in advance.
If y’all wanted to keep Hilary out of office so badly, maybe you should have done at least a competent job of running the country. Your inability to control yourselves and your inability to be men and stand up to Bush has created the opening for Hilary.
You have only yourselves to blame for ruining the country and necessitating a change in direction. People hate your views, Max. They’ve been discredited. So all you have left is seething Hilary hate.
Maybe that’s all you on the Right EVER had.
It is totally understandable why Hillary Clinton would hire a “Baptist” faith consultant. Hillary is, after all, a United Methodist. Baptists and Methodists dont think a lot alike on many issues. If she hopes to have any understanding of the Baptists, she needs an advisor…
Very simple… hardly an item of notable news…
I have no hate for Hillary or anyone else.
I am very concerned about the direction of this country, and see Hillary as the biggest Socialist candidate who will make America weaker, and erode the freedom we have through more Government regulation and control.
I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I do not take responsibility for what either party has done. I wouldn’t brag about either party.
I do see the Democrats as being more Socialist then the Republicans.
So, if someone wants to brag about Republicans being less worse then the Democrats go ahead.
For you CF2K to defend Hillary Clinton, simply by attacking her attackers, well then, you are just like her.
The numerous arguments against Hillary still stand.
Max, if you want to keep on throwing around the word “Socialist” then you really need to read up on what Socialism really means… Cause, I tell you, you aint got it right!! And you havent had it right yet!!
Go do some study, and then come back with the proper understanding of what you so easily talk about all the time, ad nauseum…
Max,
No surprise that somebody who spends such an inordinate amount of time demonizing others–as you do–can’t see his own hatefulness. Let’s just say you don’t exactly possess much in the way of self-awareness.
As for my comment, read it again, Max: I didn’t defend Hilary. My goal was to point out what your attacks on Hilary demonstrate about YOU.
Chas boy, expert at economics, politics and religion?
I think not.
Chas, you and your Libs are Socialists. And if you are afraid to admit it, you either a)Do not know what a Socialist is and/or b)Need to disguise your true agenda.
For if the Liberal Socialist Democrats were to reveal their true Socialist agenda, and call a Spade a Spade, no Libs would get elected.
If you are so proud of your Socialist ways, you should so proudly wear the title – Socialist – on your sleave.
Republicans are not much better, lately, as in the last 7 years they have joined with the Democrats in the biggest vote-buying spending spree in the history of the country.
And if you think Hillary is not in the same league with the other Big Spenders, just check out the posts above.
Spreading news about Hillary Clinton’s tactics and record is hardly evidence of hating her.
Not liking her Socialist views and questionable (at best, illegal at worst) tactics is not the same as hating the person.
Y’all can’t handle the truth, then just be satisfied in blaming the messenger.
“In the Paris Commune, large-scale industry was to be “based on the association of the workers” joined into “one great union”, all posts in government were elected by universal franchise, elected officials took only the average worker’s wage and were subject to recall. For Engels, this was what the dictatorship of the proletariat looked like (as opposed to the “dictatorship of the bourgeoisie”, which was capitalism). Engels goes on to state: “In reality, however, the state is nothing but a machine for the oppression of one class by another, and indeed in the democratic republic no less than in the monarchy; and at best an evil inherited by the proletariat after its victorious struggle for class supremacy”, and a new generation of socialists, “reared in new and free social conditions, will be able to throw the entire lumber of the state on the scrap-heap”.”
Above quote: Friedrich Engels, 1891, reference to the Paris Commune…
Good News for France, their unemployment rate has dropped to just over Twice the Rate of the USA!
As Europe Grows, France’s Jobless Rate Falls to 6-Year LowBy Barry JamesPublished: WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1, 1999PARIS: French unemployment fell in July to its lowest level since 1993, and economic prospects look brighter than many analysts expected, according to official figures released Tuesday.
The jobless rate edged down to 11.2 percent of the labor force in July from 11.3 percent in June, but it remained higher than the average in the European Union of 10.3 percent.
http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/09/01/fecon.2.t.php
Kansas,
Thank you for pointing out that the Bingaman-Specter bill is not effective.
Only the Sanders-Boxer, and Waxman bills reduce CO2eq by the amount needed.
‘A Target for U.S. Emissions Reductions’http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/emissionstarget.html
Same Old Party
By PAUL KRUGMAN
There have been a number of articles recently that portray President Bush as someone who strayed from the path of true conservatism. Republicans, these articles say, need to return to their roots.
Well, I don’t know what true conservatism is, but while doing research for my forthcoming book I spent a lot of time studying the history of the American political movement that calls itself conservatism — and Mr. Bush hasn’t strayed from the path at all. On the contrary, he’s the very model of a modern movement conservative.
For example, people claim to be shocked that Mr. Bush cut taxes while waging an expensive war. But Ronald Reagan also cut taxes while embarking on a huge military buildup.
People claim to be shocked by Mr. Bush’s general fiscal irresponsibility. But conservative intellectuals, by their own account, abandoned fiscal responsibility 30 years ago. Here’s how Irving Kristol, then the editor of The Public Interest, explained his embrace of supply-side economics in the 1970s: He had a “rather cavalier attitude toward the budget deficit and other monetary or fiscal problems” because “the task, as I saw it, was to create a new majority, which evidently would mean a conservative majority, which came to mean, in turn, a Republican majority — so political effectiveness was the priority, not the accounting deficiencies of government.”
People claim to be shocked by the way the Bush administration outsourced key government functions to private contractors yet refused to exert effective oversight over these contractors, a process exemplified by the failed reconstruction of Iraq and the Blackwater affair.
But back in 1993, Jonathan Cohn, writing in The American Prospect, explained that “under Reagan and Bush, the ranks of public officials necessary to supervise contractors have been so thinned that the putative gains of contracting out have evaporated. Agencies have been left with the worst of both worlds — demoralized and disorganized public officials and unaccountable private contractors.”
People claim to be shocked by the Bush administration’s general incompetence. But disinterest in good government has long been a principle of modern conservatism. In “The Conscience of a Conservative,” published in 1960, Barry Goldwater wrote that “I have little interest in streamlining government or making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size.”
People claim to be shocked that the Bush Justice Department, making a mockery of the Constitution, issued a secret opinion authorizing torture despite instructions by Congress and the courts that the practice should stop. But remember Iran-Contra? The Reagan administration secretly sold weapons to Iran, violating a legal embargo, and used the proceeds to support the Nicaraguan contras, defying an explicit Congressional ban on such support.
Oh, and if you think Iran-Contra was a rogue operation, rather than something done with the full knowledge and approval of people at the top — who were then protected by a careful cover-up, including convenient presidential pardons — I’ve got a letter from Niger you might want to buy.
People claim to be shocked at the Bush administration’s efforts to disenfranchise minority groups, under the pretense of combating voting fraud. But Reagan opposed the Voting Rights Act, and as late as 1980 he described it as “humiliating to the South.”
People claim to be shocked at the Bush administration’s attempts — which, for a time, were all too successful — to intimidate the press. But this administration’s media tactics, and to a large extent the people implementing those tactics, come straight out of the Nixon administration. Dick Cheney wanted to search Seymour Hersh’s apartment, not last week, but in 1975. Roger Ailes, the president of Fox News, was Nixon’s media adviser.
People claim to be shocked at the Bush administration’s attempts to equate dissent with treason. But Goldwater — who, like Reagan, has been reinvented as an icon of conservative purity but was a much less attractive figure in real life — staunchly supported Joseph McCarthy, and was one of only 22 senators who voted against a motion censuring the demagogue.
Above all, people claim to be shocked by the Bush administration’s authoritarianism, its disdain for the rule of law. But a full half-century has passed since The National Review proclaimed that “the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail,” and dismissed as irrelevant objections that might be raised after “consulting a catalogue of the rights of American citizens, born Equal” — presumably a reference to the document known as the Constitution of the United States.
Now, as they survey the wreckage of their cause, conservatives may ask themselves: “Well, how did we get here?” They may tell themselves: “This is not my beautiful Right.” They may ask themselves: “My God, what have we done?”
But their movement is the same as it ever was. And Mr. Bush is movement conservatism’s true, loyal heir.
More France Economic News – And Other European Socialist Country News
French Unemployment Still Double the US Rate
(Remember too, the Defense Spending of European countries is much less then the US. So even with less spending on Defense, their Socialist spending still results in a weaker economy.
The Luxury of being under the US umbrella of Defense for free – must end)
But France’s economy has grown more slowly than any other developed country in the world.
In 2006, its 2% growth was the worst in Europe. It also has one of the highest unemployment rates – 9.8% – of any European country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6547841.stm#economy
Great post Monkey Hawk!! Now all we have to do is get rid of those long time conservatives, so we can get back to the business of our nation… We need to take America Back from the bonds of conservative slavery run amok!!
Chas when you are on the receiving end of Socialism, YOU are not the slave.
The successful working man is the slave.
The Forgotten Man.
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Best/SumnerForgotten.htm
I got Max pegged.
Max is a lot like Heckler. Max is a little mid management toady convinced he is on the verge of being king of the world.
“J R” –
No, “Max” is one of those people who’s only tool is a hammer, so everything looks like a nail.
He has no idea what “socialism” means, only that it fuels his irrational fears.
Notice that “Max” never presents a workable alternative. Instead, he Chicken Littles all over the place, feathers all aflutter, screaching about “socialism” as if it’s a shibolleth of his distorted version of “conservatism” that will keep the bogeyman of civilization away from his doorstep.
Until, of course, his house catches on fire and he calls the “socialist” fire department. Or until he wants to drive to, say, Muncie, and depends on the “socialist” Interstate Highway System. Or his kid is hurt in a motorcycle accident and “Max” expects the “socialist” ambulance service to cart the injured off to a “socialist”-subsidized trauma center. Or until “Max” gets thirsty and expects pure water to flow from the “socialist” public works system. Or until “Max” takes a dump and expects the “socialist” sewer system to process the results.
(Of course, the last one will never happen. “Max” obviously never uses the toilet. That’s why he’s full of s#it.)
Max there is sometimes no way to talk to a liberal who has convinced themselves they are always right. You and I have both acknowledged our disappointment in the way Bush has handled the last few years and his out of control spending. I have yet to hear one lib say that they see what Hillary is and comment on her lack of ethics.
As I said before they deserve what they get but we all have to live with the fallout of Billary revisited. I will continue to educate as many as I can about who she really is. The evidence speaks for itself and as I said earlier if one liberal on this blog has the kahonas to investigate Hillary the stench will drive them off. I don’t expect that to happen.
Got back in Kansas last night. Spent time in 15 different states. I was encouraged to find many who see through Hillary even in DC. This gives me a little hope. Was in the halls of congress on the day they were debating the health care issue and saw many recognizable faces. Many on both sides of the aisle were friendly and stopped to talk. Saw Madame Pelosi with her posse tagging behind and she didn’t stop to talk to anyone and refused to even make eye contact with the commoners around her. Had a first class tour of the House and Senate by an employee of Todd Tiahrts. If she is any indication of the future of our politicians we will be in good hands. She also told us that in the two months she has been giving tours she has yet to be Pelosi at the bench.
Just some observations from the beltway.
Has anyone coined the phrase “Hillary Haters”? I think that will be the new label of the 2*%’s after the election.
I have no hate for Hillary or anyone else.
I am neither Republican nor Democrat.Posted by: Max | October 08, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Max, I could see where you’d be embarrassed to admit you’re a republican. But why are you so scared of Hillary? Do you really think she can approach the level of incompetence of the current administration?
Jeez, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, or even Genghis Kahn would be better than Bush.
Hillary Haters = Bush Bashers
Where are all the defenders???
It’s pretty sad that we can not defend our own parties so we simply have to attack the other.
Do you think Hillary will improve on 2*% when she is funding the Iraq war AND govt run healthcare?
If Mrs. Clinton screwed the Atlanta Falcon football team, urinated on the original declaration of independence, and ate a rat on national television, and the conservatives called her on it, no one would believe any of it because conservatives made the claim. That’s what happens when everything that comes from your mouths and from your think tanks for the past 20 years has been a lie.
My concerns about Hillary are not partyline driven. She is an empty resume being driven by the main stream media. I talked to lots of democrats and republicans, probably more democrats and could find no one who supported this woman. Where are they taking these polls showing her overwhelming support?
I am just challenging WEbloggers to research, read and read some more. Know who you are voting for. Know who she will owe political favors to. Know who her advisors are and will be. Just a challenge. Are you brave enough to take it?
Am I the only one scared by these comments?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/07/400809.aspxObama also turned his message of bringing red and blue states together into a spiritual call.
“As I travel around the country I feel hopeful and optimistic. There’s God’s spirit in each and everyone of us that’s waiting to be released and to be let out,” Obama said. “He wants us to join together and break the partisan divisions.”
Obama concluded by asking the congregration to pray for him and his family, making a plea that the prayers of the assembled would keep him on a righteous path.
“Sometimes you can become fearful, you can become vain, sometimes you can seek power for power’s sake,” Obama confessed and asked the crowd to “pray that I can be an instrument of God” as he ran for president.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/08/obama.faith/He finished his brief remarks by saying, “We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”
http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm?Action=ReleaseDetail&ID=18231
Obama, Religion, and God-Talk
Nashville, TN 37203-1181 October 8 2007
Reactions to Obama’s quote at Mega Church in Greenville, SC:
“. . . I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God in the same way that Pastor Ron and all of you are instruments of God.” He finished his brief remarks by saying, “We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”
Swain’s Response:
“Obama’s comments reveal his desperation for votes. Most Bible-believing evangelical Christians do not believe that man has the ability to solve man’s problems. There are many kinds of Kingdoms, to which does Obama refer?”
Door King I think you stole that rant from the republicans when Bill was in office except it went: “If Bill screwed Mother Teresa on the White House Lawn during the annual easter egg hunt no one would believe it because the conservatives are conspiring against him.”
Ahhh yes, Obama calls for the realization of the echatological Kingdom of God on Earth, and now the Reich Wing are saying bad things about it… My My… After warning followers not to go off seeking God’s Kingdom, because of some folks who claimed to see it, or know where it was…
Jesus said: “The Kingdom of Heaven is in your midst.” (Alternative translation: “The Kingdom of God is within you.”
Looks like Obama was just following the lesson of the Gospels. Oh well… walk on by.
Max, I could see where you’d be embarrassed to admit you’re a republican. But why are you so scared of Hillary? Do you really think she can approach the level of incompetence of the current administration?
Jeez, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, or even Genghis Kahn would be better than Bush.
Posted by: XXX | October 08, 2007 at 01:27 PM
XXX, I’ll vote for the most conservative candidate who is more likely to stay out of my wallet. The Republicans can say they have done that, and that taxes for all were cut, child credits increased, et al.
(You will argue the rich were cut more, but I have posted IRS stats several times showing that the bottom 50% in income pay 3% of the income tax.)
The next Adminstration should also cut the out-of-control Gov’t spending, neither party can brag about their efforts here.
Hillary, based on her record (and Bill’s) will have a) the largest tax increase in history b) will spend even more taxpayer money on Social Programs like HillaryCare when we can’t even afford existing Social Security/Medicare programs, and c)Hillary will attack the 2nd Amendment with full fury.
I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.-Obama
With statements like this, no wonder we have to criticize our leaders; We have to keep them from sprouting their angelic wings.
Anyone who votes for Hillary for prez deserves what happens next. Unfortunately we are all living in the same nation and will suffer right along with them.
Ksgrm
Posted by: ksgrm | October 08, 2007 at 09:46 AM
Tell me about it, I’ve been living with the rest of the country’s stupid decisions for the last 6 years and counting.
KSgrm, thanks for your two bits above.
To their credit, Capn I think is against Hillary. XXX while pro-Hillary at least listens and is rational. (May convert him yet!)
Chas is anti-Max anything. I could post the same comments as having come from Giuliani and Chas would crucify him for it. The comments coming from Obama today are taken as normal gospel. Obama, now an instrument of God to create a Kingdom on Earth, that’s a good thing.
“Max” –
Even you (because it’s obvious you’re not a blithering idiot) know that the old Republic Party canard about “the largest tax-increase in history” is misleading.
The so-called “largest tax-increase in history” also affected the fewest Americans of any tax policy in the history of the republic, and it affected those people most able to absorb the knick on their mult-million-dollar-a-year incomes.
If your income is $350,000 a year or more, you’re a damned fool to vote for anyone except a Republican. If your income is less that $350,000 a year, you’re a damned fool to vote for a Republican.
So which damned fool are you, “Max?”
TDT you have a spot of truth here but at least the economy has chugged along, the job picture is great and overall people have prospered even if the media tries to convince us otherwise. This won’t be the case when you are forced to insure illegals and others who don’t contribute to the economy – unless you count those Wells Fargo fees they pay to send their money back to Mexico – they don’t call the US their biggest business for nothing. $30B last year was sent from the US to Mexico.
I will just challenge you to drop the pladitudes and actually look at what Hillary is advocating.
No Max… You got it wrong again… Obama is just reminding people of the words of Jesus, who said “The Kingdom of God is within you.” Obama doesnt want to ESTABLISH anything… rather call out that Kingdom from inside of every person!! Get it???
It is called “realized eschatologhy”
Has George W.Bush deserted “true conservatism”? Paul Krugman doesn’t think so, and offers compelling examples for his case:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/opinion/08krugman.html?em&ex=1191988800&en=e201ead5d5d4f188&ei=5087
Max, SOMEBODY has to pay for the war your “emperor without clothes” has forced on us… how do you propose that it get paid for???
The so-called “largest tax-increase in history” also affected the fewest Americans of any tax policy in the history of the republic, and it affected those people most able to absorb the knick on their mult-million-dollar-a-year incomes.
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | October 08, 2007 at 01:57 PM
I was making $39,000/yr in 1993 when Bill Clinton passed a RETROACTIVE to 1/1/93 largest tax increase in history.
Cost me an extra $1,500. Yeah, I was real rich back then with $39,000 and 3 small kids.
Chas I am not surprised to see that with you the more things change the more they stay the same.
Echatologhy or eschatologhy whichever you want to call it – you have called it both – is an empty word that you assigned to Obamas words. How exactly were you able to translate his meaning? Do you have an open line to him? If those same words had come from Brownbacks’ mouth would you be defending them? Me thinks not.
Same ole Chas.
Max, did you read this addendum to the “Forgotten Man” essay??
It is, essentially, a form of deductive propaganda…
“This brilliant essay by Professor Sumner illustrates the effective use of the deductive structure. In two paragraphs defining who is the Forgotten Man, the general principle is stated so fully that the reader unconsciously accepts it. But once the reader has accepted this principle, it is applied to the consideration of trades unions and temperance legislation, with startling results. The essay, then, consists in the statement of a general principle, followed by two illustrations. Just as the form resolves itself into a simple arrangement, so the style is simple. There is no attempt at rhetorical exaggeration, no appeal to the emotions. It does read, and it is intended to read, as an ordinary exercise of the logical faculty. This mathematical effect is gained by the device of using the A and B that are associated in the mind with school problems, And the brilliance of the essay lies in the apparent inevitability with which the author reaches conclusions widely differing from conventional views. Since the importance of the essay lies exactly in these applications, actually the structure approaches the deductive type.”[See portrait of Sumner from "The Warren J. Samuels Portrait Collection at Duke University."]
I just love the “chinese menu” form of selection of those who try to manipulate literature…
The Forgotten Man, actually, is the VERY person that the historical, classical socialist movements of the late 19th century were appealing to… The man, who, under that “new” form of social construct, could actually elect their own leaders, from their midst, earning the average of a worker’s pay, and subject to recall at free elections…
Hmmmmm with the exception of the salary thing, sounds pretty much like what we have here already!!
Ha!!
This is Obama’s quote:
“We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth.”
Chas, twist it, sit on it and spin it any way you like.
If you are a Christian, YOU should be the one questioning the establishment of a Kingdom on Earth by the President of the United States.
Blasphemy: The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God.
God will establish His Kingdom on Earth. Not man, nor President.
WASHINGTON -Double taxation, more than any single factor, is the bane of meaningful tax reform. But new legislation in the U.S. Senate, introduced today by Sens. Gordon Smith (R- Ore.) and Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) will reform the tax code while lessening double taxation and the overall federal tax burden.
Introduced today, the Social Security Tax Equity Act of 2003 will reverse the section of former President Bill Clinton’s 1993 tax increase, which hiked taxes on Social Security benefits for seniors.
“We believe it is time now to turn back this 10 year-old tax increase and eliminate the double taxation of Social Security benefits,” said Smith and Bayh in a letter to their colleagues in the Senate. “Many senior citizens pay taxes a second time on their Social Security benefit if they receive additional income from savings or work.”
Prior to 1993, seniors paid taxes on half their Social Security benefits if their combined income exceeded $25,000 for individuals or $32,000 for couples. But in 1993, the portion of taxable Social Security benefits increased to 85%, as individuals with incomes above $34,000 and couples with incomes above $44,000 became subject to the higher rate of taxation.
http://www.atr.org/content/html/2003/apr/040203pr.html
Max you forgot to mention those ‘rich’ seniors making between $34,000 and $44,000 that Bill C taxed in ‘93. I have decided that memory loss is a requirement to be a card carrying liberal. If they were actual able to remember history as it really happened they would no longer be liberals.
Ksgrm, now you criticize my use of a “technical” theological term??? I suppose YOU know what it is???
It’s obvious to see that Obama is talking about a “realized eschatology”(sorry about the previous typo) IF you know what the term means!!
Simply put, it means that ALL of us have the Kingdom of God within us… as Jesus told his followers… Obama is calling people to LET IT OUT — instead of looking for it somewhere else!!
Is that so difficult??? Go look up the term… I think it might be available on Google…
Chas, the addendum to The Forgotten Man is describing the rhetorical form. If you took a couple of writing classes, you would understand.
“Propaganda” is your twisted, slanted way of discrediting an outstanding article. I notice you haven’t disputed a single part of the article itself.
Tough read for you I know.
Chas simplisticly the ‘Forgotten Man’ is the one A and B decide should be taking care of D. That would be C. A and B don’t look at his situation. They have found their victim in D and won’t use their own resources to help him so they must take from C in order to ‘do good’. They feel so good about that. How refreshing. Don’t know what your spin was but that was what the essay said.
I had no spin, KsGrm… But I see you are looking for one that isnt there… The article itself, is praising 19th Century Socialism, as an end to the stepping on the little man by the industrialization of the world economy… I am surprised that you all who think you KNOW what Socialism means, havent figured that out yet!! LOL what a farce!!
Chas actually before you went translation shopping the text said that ‘we are the church’ and are in the Kingdom of God not that we are The Kingdom of God. Sorry I don’t check Wiki for bible translation – that might be your problem.
Obama was clearly elevating himself to a position of establishing a Kingdom of God. Not possible for mortal man.
Right Max, and the rhetorical form of the article is a form of deductive propaganda… as stated by the analysis I posted above… from the same link as your article link… I dont think I am the one who needs to take a class in reading….
Max you forgot to mention those ‘rich’ seniors making between $34,000 and $44,000 that Bill C taxed in ‘93. I have decided that memory loss is a requirement to be a card carrying liberal. If they were actual able to remember history as it really happened they would no longer be liberals.
Posted by: ksgrm | October 08, 2007 at 02:11 PM
Thanks KSgrm. Good post. And yes, as I get closer to those senior years, I am starting to forget too! :)
I argue that none of the Social Security benefits should be taxable until the amout of SS taxes paid-in (plus a 4% return)is paid out in SS benefits to the recipient.
How dare the Gov’t take 15.3% of my income for 30+ years, then tax me on my SS benefits when I will never receive nearly as much as I pay in!
Alas, there will be a means test to eliminate all Social Security benefits for those who:
1. Own their own home.2. Have $2,000 per month in other income.
So, I’ll get nuthin anyway.
SOCIALISTS!
“Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community[1] for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation.”
A Wiki definition for you. Just substitute Government for community and you have Hillarys formula for her prezidency. Take from those who have and give to those who don’t have. Equalize.
Hope this helps you understand Socialism better.
Max as a semi retired person I can’t tell you how true those words are. Anyone who is factoring SS into their retirement plan might have a big surprise coming.
I had no spin, KsGrm… But I see you are looking for one that isnt there… The article itself, is praising 19th Century Socialism, as an end to the stepping on the little man by the industrialization of the world economy… I am surprised that you all who think you KNOW what Socialism means, havent figured that out yet!! LOL what a farce!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 08, 2007 at 02:17 PM
Chas, here are my last 2 bits for you on The Forgotten Man -Go Read The Article before you critic it.
If you think this describes Socialism as a good thing, you are out of your freekin mind.
Have a nice day in your Kingdom with Obama.
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Best/SumnerForgotten
Grm… Socialism wants to take Government OUT of the picture, and get things to the point of being Community based… and NOT based in government… I really dont think some of you people can READ!!!
Been gone to long and life is calling. Playing catchup today. Gotta go.
Chas are there more like you at home. I hope not.
It takes a village to raise a kid. Would that village be government, community or what. The words are interchangeable. Show me your definition that defines community differently.
Take from the greedy and give to the needy?
I’ll vote for that. I teach my kid to vote for it too. He may actually eventually know an America where he has a chance.
“NOT based in government… I really dont think some of you people can READ!!!”Posted by: Chas.
socialism – system of social organization in which property and the distribution of income are subject to social control rather than individual determination or market forces
“socialism.”Encyclopædia Britannica from Encyclopædia Britannica 2006 Ultimate Reference Suite DVD .[Accessed October 8, 2007].
Sounds like it could be Government to me. But then I have trouble with reading, right?
At least JR is honest about it and calls a Spade a Spade.
And JR knows what Socialism is!
Say whatever happend to Separation of Church and State?
With Obama and his Kingdom on Earth, will we now have prayer in the schools?
With the President establishing a religious Kingdom on Earth what religion will we be required to practice?
I was not attempting to define socialism.
I was just letting you know I am all in favor of your concept of it.
The alternative is to become you.
No thanks.
Give a Socialist a compliment, and that’s the gratitude you get…
If you’re not rich or a religious zealot…and you vote Republican?
You’re an idiot.
KsGrm… Community and Government are NOT the same thing… Try reading Engels, or Marx… NOT half baked definitions that brely scratch the surface… and do it poorly!!
Socialism has as its primary goal, the removal of the giant foot print, stomping on the neck of that “Forgotten Man” and giving to the Community the power to run its own affairs… It’s a lot like libertarian philosophy…. only less government!! LOL
In Sumner’s article, A & B are government dictating to D what to do with C…. And that is what we have NOW….
Classic Socialism eliminates A & B, and relies on C & D working together to solve the dilemmas of the Community…
I am outta here for now… might get back later… for a short time… take care J R… the Reich Wing is out for blood today!!
btw, J R If you want my home phone ### get hold of CapN… OK??
I’ll get your email from him and mine for you. It’s new and I don’t want it here anymore.
Chas run when you can’t use logic. A community doesn’t have the ability to take your assets the government does. Hence socialism is the government and not the community you like to mention over and over again. Marx hasn’t been on my reading list for a while but it certainly explains your logic or lack of thereof.
Good to know about the ’secret’ society. You guys needs all the solidarity you can get. It must be confusing to be you.
If you’re not rich or a religious zealot…
and you vote Republican?
You’re an idiot.
Posted by: J R | October 08, 2007 at 02:45 PM
Rich being by definition $30,000 per year to be in the top 50%, per the IRS.
Speaks the woman who makes her dime on someone ELSE’s work.
Hey Waxman is gonna investigate talk radio!!!
‘Bout time. Talk radio has been getting many good people to vote wrong the last 30 25 years. THAT’s why the right is afraid of the Fairness Doctrine.
Chas from 2:54pm to 2:58pm is the definition of a warped mind, even more so then he usually is.
This kid needs help. Public Education actually gave him a GED?
This is not a personal attack, by the way, it’s an attack on either Chas’s knowledge level of Socialism and ability to read (The Forgotten Man) or his twisted version of reality intended to deceive the feeble minded. Also an attack on Public Education for passing this kid thru 12 grades. (If he passed)
There is nothing Fair about the Fairness Doctrine.
It is in fact, a direct attack on the 1st Amendment.
Libs are afraid of free speech.
Ya can’t handle the truth.
I’ve met Chas
He’s no “kid”.
ANd that essay was the dryest most uninteresting thing I think I’ve ever read.
JR were you infering that I make my living on someone’s else’s dime? If not who were you talking about?
By the way I watched that stupid movie “An Inconvenient Truth” did you keep your end of that bargain or is the word of a liberal worthless?
YOU are afraid of equal time.
JR I think that Max was saying that Chas has the mind of a kid not that Max needs me to interpret for him. Chas and logic are distant cousins and hardly ever meet. He should seek it out more often.
“vote wrong”
Wrong defined, of course, as “disagrees with JR.”
If the return of the Fairness Doctrine had anything to do with fairness, I’d agree with you, JR. But it doesn’t. It is, instead, an attempt to legislate onto the air what the marketplace has rejected; to in effect, confiscate private communications infrastructure for political purposes, and for partisan political advantage.
And make no mistake about it; this attempt at censorship and state control is about partisan political advantage. Period.
And I thought you believed in your side’s ideas’ ability to compete on their own. . . . .
Well said ksgrm.
You did say you were an employER didn’t you grm?No I forgot the name of your book. The library didn’t have it and I aint gonna buy it.
JR – can you say Air America – it was a failed radio station because no one wanted to listen to the lame arguments the left put forth. Even the left left in droves. How long did you listen to it?
That was your equal time. Get over it.
YOU are afraid of equal time.
Posted by: J R | October 08, 2007 at 03:23 PM
You have equal time. No one has more dough then Soros and Moveon.org or the Dem party right now.
Equal time and Free time are two different things though.
You want radio or TV time, go buy your time. You will be charged the same price as anyone else, unless you go to the NY Times, where they give discounts to Libs.
There is a reason why you are all afraid of equal time.
If I didn’t nail it, why don’t you define your fear?
Sorry to repost, but “Max” ran away from this the first time:
“Max” is one of those people who’s only tool is a hammer, so everything looks like a nail.
He has no idea what “socialism” means, only that it fuels his irrational fears.
Notice that “Max” never presents a workable alternative. Instead, he Chicken Littles all over the place, feathers all aflutter, screaching about “socialism” as if it’s a shibolleth of his distorted version of “conservatism” that will keep the bogeyman of civilization away from his doorstep.
Until, of course, his house catches on fire and he calls the “socialist” fire department. Or until he wants to drive to, say, Muncie, and depends on the “socialist” Interstate Highway System. Or his kid is hurt in a motorcycle accident and “Max” expects the “socialist” ambulance service to cart the injured off to a “socialist”-subsidized trauma center. Or until “Max” gets thirsty and expects pure water to flow from the “socialist” public works system. Or until “Max” takes a dump and expects the “socialist” sewer system to process the results.
(Of course, the last one will never happen. “Max” obviously never uses the toilet. That’s why he’s full of s#it.)
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | October 08, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Air America was not available in this …your SUPPOSED “free” market.
Rich being by definition $30,000 per year to be in the top 50%, per the IRS.
Posted by: Max
Usually I just scroll over Max, but this isn’t even close to true.
Rich is more like being in the top five percent of income earners, somewhere around a quarter mil a year.
JR please look at an earlier post of mine where I said that to be a card carrying liberal you have to have a very poor memory. I guess you fit the bill.
Yes my husband and I own a company that employees people. Horrors!!!! We create jobs. How dare we risk our own money, give up our free time, work 80 hours a week sometimes with no compensation to create ”’jobs”’.
While you are training your kid to live off the hardwork of others you might hope that he has a voice of reason to listen to that tells him that hard work will provide a good living for him that he can be proud of. People like you shouldn’t be allowed to be parents.
Read GMC’s post JR, he nailed you up above: Time of Death was 3:24 pm.
Hehehe, good point, JR.
The most popular talk-radio host before the corporatist installed Limbaugh was the independent Alan Berg.
White power supremists gunned him down in cold blood.
I’m not interested in a greedheads assessment of my parenting skills.
You work OTHER PEOPLE to make your dime.
GMC did NOT say why he is afraid of equal time.
I see that Chas, the Bovine Scatology Artist, has entered the fray. I think I need a shower after all of that.
=====================The Fairness Doctrines – Libs don’t even know what they are asking for.
What it means is that the Supreme Gargoyle Leader of the Nazi Party can ask for equal time on any broadcasted show and get it – including shows like NBC’s Obermann and whatever Lib show they feel like.
It’s one thing to know what your asking, it’s quite another to do without knowing.
But the Libs appear to do a lot of the latter.
The most popular talk-radio host before the corporatist installed Limbaugh was the independent Alan Berg.
White power supremists gunned him down in cold blood.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 08, 2007 at 03:31 PM
Actually, it was Paul Harvey. The only people that heard of Alan Berg was after he got capped.
Moneyhawk and JR – a working formula. Hardwork, education, hardwork, responsibility, hardwork, self respect, hardwork, – do you get the message.
Taking from others because some are to lazy to get off of their duffs and take care of themselves and their families isn’t a workable formula. Do your research. Every civilization that has tried to do this is history. Literally. Read about it.
And JR I can’t help it if Soros didn’t think you were important enough to buy into a market where you could listen to Air America. Put the blame where it belongs not on the conservative talk show hosts.
I’d sure hate to be in the position of denying equal time.
It begs the question what is being pulled.
“People like you shouldn’t be allowed to be parents”
Believe me, the feeling is mutual “lady”.
JR,
These days, they don’t like to be called “ladies.”
They want to be called “women.”
Isn’t that right, girls?
JR I had no more right to critize your parenting skills than you did to critize my method of making money. But what are you teaching your son? Do nothing and the state will take care of you. Hard work is for those other fools – if you wait long enough Hillary will get in and then she will take aways from the ‘rich’ guys and give it all to us.
Surely even you can see the flaw in this method. What happens when the worker bees of the world say ‘enough’. I will no longer work to provide jobs for others. I’ll hoard my money and take care of me and mine. Let those parasites and hangers on fend for themselves for a change.
Kansas–
Paul Harvey wasn’t and never has been a talk-show host.
Sheesh. What a maroon.
Cap and JR most women I know always consider the source and aren’t offended just sympathetic.
Well if you are for working people you are on the wrong side of politicsgrm.
I think you are for people working other people. Sorry, can’t teach my kid that.
“Paul Harvey News has been called the “largest one-man network in the world”, as it is carried on 1,200 radio stations, 400 Armed Forces Network stations around the world and 300 newspapers. His broadcasts and newspaper columns have been reprinted in the Congressional Record more than those of any other commentator.
He has been named Salesman of the Year, Commentator of the Year, Person of the Year, Father of the Year, and American of the Year. He has been elected to the National Association of Broadcasters Radio Hall of Fame and Oklahoma Hall of Fame and appeared on the Gallup poll list of America’s most admired men. In addition he has received 11 Freedom Foundation Awards as well as the Horatio Alger Award.
In 2005, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the United States’ most prestigious civilian award, by President George W. Bush [1].
On May 18, 2007 he received an honorary degree from Washington University in St. Louis. – Wikipedia”——————–I rest my case.
Alan Berg wasn’t even the gum on Paul Harvey’s shoes.
Paul Harvey??
Didn’t they embalm him a few years ago?
There’s a reason why the right is afraid of the Fairness doctrine.
And that reason in itself is the ONLY reason why I am for the Fairness doctrine.
Max wrote:”XXX, I’ll vote for the most conservative candidate who is more likely to stay out of my wallet. The Republicans can say they have done that, and that taxes for all were cut, child credits increased, et al.”
You’re right, Max. They’ve stayed out of your pocket while running up the biggest deficit in the history of this country. Max, do you believe debts should be paid? Who is going to pay the debts this administration has run up? You complain about the taxes future generations are going th pay to keep Social Security solvent, but you don’t seem to have any problem with the much bigger debt we’re leaving for our kids. Do I need to remind you that the Clinton administration was operating in the black and left a surplus?
Max said:”The next Administration should also cut the out-of-control Gov’t spending….”
But you don’t seem to be too concerned about this administration’s out-of-control Gov’t spending. And they’ve really gone overboard.
Max says:Hillary, based on her record (and Bill’s) will have a) the largest tax increase in history b) will spend even more taxpayer money on Social Programs like HillaryCare when we can’t even afford existing Social Security/Medicare programs, and c)Hillary will attack the 2nd Amendment with full fury.
Max, after the mess Bush has made, we may well have to have a large tax increase. The alternative is to leave our kids with a crushing debt burden. There comes a point when the piper has to be paid. And I’d much rather see money spent on social programs (money invested in Americans) than thrown away on a needless war that will never benefit us.
As for the Second Amendment, I don’t care if Hillary bans machine guns, cannon, or mortars. I’m not even that concerned about assault weapons if they can accurately define “assault weapon”. But to go any further is political suicide. There are too many people like you and me who will NOT turn in our guns.
Remember the thing about “cold, dead fingers”?
Well I’ll back that, too.
Even broadcast executives hated the Fairness Doctrine.
I remember when it was allowed, as soon as the “equal time” came on – one could hear hundreds of thousands of television and radio dials being turned to watch something else.
It’s a failed policy, just like 99.9 percent of doctrine that Libs attempt.
Only time in history a war and a tax cut were done at the same time.
THere’s a reason why it was never done before. It’s fiscal insanity.
Well if you are for working people you are on the wrong side of politicsgrm.
I think you are for people working other people. Sorry, can’t teach my kid that.
Posted by: J R | October 08, 2007 at 03:48 PM
Well JR no one could be more confused about the way an economy works than you. That is why liberals should get out of politics and go into social work or something else where they will damage as few people as possible.
Small biz right grm?
You better get on my side. The rain is gonna fall on you too eventually.
Advocating for the individual worker is the essence of conservativism. Some people forget that. Some just don’t get it.
Gotta go, contract job.
“There’s a reason why the right is afraid of the Fairness doctrine.”
Tell us, Oh Great One, what is that reason? Aside from a 1st Amendment, of course.
Should a newspaper, for example, be required to give opposing viewpoints space on its op-ed page? If so, who pays for the ink, the space, the loss of other things which could be printed, lost advertising revenue, etc. which could be printed there? And who decides what, and how many, “opposing viewpoints” are worthy of said equal time? You? Me? a poll? The State? If the State, for who’s advantage does the State operate?
Extend that ad infinitum. Radio? TV? Internet? Must DailyKos permit opposing viewpoints to post on their website?
Whew. Do you see any end to the trouble brewing here? You really want to go down that road, especially in a media environment as rich with diverse opinions as this one is today?
And remember, this is about partisan advantage, not “fairness.”
As Kansas points out, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
You forget we ran a small business for 8 years under one Clinton. Not again I hope. We have to have a tax environment that is nurturing to small businesses. They create the largest majority of jobs. When we make the environment unhealthy they just close up shop and the jobs go away. You can only raise taxes so much and no more.
This is reality. Libs have got to understand this. Under Bush we were able to finally ungrade equipment that was sorely needed. He passed a provision that allowed small businesses to speed up depreciation on purchased equipment and thus have smaller tax burdens.
This did two things. We were able to modernize equipment and many suppliers of this equipment were able to sell their wares. Where do you see the falicy in this policy?
“Well JR no one could be more confused about the way an economy works than you.”
Truer words were never spoken. Touche, ksgrm.
Iraqi authorities seek Blackwater ouster By STEVEN R. HURST and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writers
40 minutes ago
BAGHDAD – Iraqi authorities want the U.S. government to sever all contracts in Iraq with Blackwater USA within six months and pay $8 million in compensation to each of the families of 17 people killed when the firm’s guards sprayed a traffic circle with heavy machine gun fire last month.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_blackwater_report
This situation just keeps getting murkier.
BTW Grm… It DOES take a village to raise a child… What do you think is SO WRONG with the youth today?? NO Village Guidance!! Just left to RUN wherever and whenever they want… We NEED the entire village to raise the kids… just like the old days when we were kids… Remember??
OR, maybe you were raised in a very wealthy family, where you had Nannies to take care of your needs??? ROFL!!
BTW Grm… It DOES take a village to raise a child… What do you think is SO WRONG with the youth today?? NO Village Guidance!! Just left to RUN wherever and whenever they want… We NEED the entire village to raise the kids… just like the old days when we were kids… Remember??
Posted by: Chas. | October 08, 2007 at 04:40 PM
Explain this to rural folks, farmers and ranchers.
Oh, Grm, what kind of business do you have that you hire employees???
Well, Kansas, having lived in numerous rural areas most of my career, It works VERY WELL… the rural community is extremely close knit — And everybody in the rural area helps with raising the youth… It is a “village” of sorts… just a “rural” village… If you dont know that, then you dont know much about the State we live in…
rural is not a village…
“It is a “village” of sorts… just a “rural” village…”Posted by: Chas.
What is a “rural” village?
As a kid my closes neighbor was a mile away and they did not have kids. I never called it a “village”. Of course, it was Oklahoma not Kansas so maybe it is different here.
Chas:
“Oh, Grm, what kind of business do you have that you hire employees???”
1) Perhaps I am misreading you, but why do you think it is unusual for a business to hire employees – and just how is that a BAD thing?
and
“It DOES take a village to raise a child… ”
2) The concern – and a justified one, in my opinion – is that when Hillary! says a “village” she doesn’t mean the neighborhood moms looking out for each other’s kids. We all understand that. When Hillary! says “village” she means “the State.” And I for one don’t want the raising of children to be any more intruded into by the State than it is already.
I raised my kids in Oklahoma and they were raised by my husband and myself. No villages for us. You said it yourself. Kids today are allowed to run all over the place with no supervision. You see the village just doesn’t care about YOUR kids. You have to raise them yourself.
As for my buisness I don’t say much about my business on here because two bloggers once told me that if they found out what it was they would tell everyone to ban it. One of those is on here today. That wouldn’t be fair to the 30 people who depend on that business for a living.
GMC identified what “It takes a village” actually means.
It means that more Government in your life to control more aspects of raising children.
It’s part of the “Nanny” government that the Socialist Libs want to promote.
It used to take just 2 parents to raise the children.
The village concept worked somewhat as GMC described, neighbors looking after each others kids somewhat. BUT, I heard several times from my folks:
“I don’t care what little Jimmy across the street gets to do, Jimmy’s not my kid, you are!”
Thus, the parents were responsible to raise their own kids.
In this new age of no accountability and responsibility, parents are no longer consdered ‘able’ to raise their own children.
The Government knows best.
We shall soon have little Social Security HillaryVillages! to care for kids from age 0 to 25, anyone on the dole er I mean disability, and the retirees age 62+.
Old black water, keep on rollin’,
Mississippi moon keep on shinin’ on me!
Blackwater will be leaving Iraq just when Hillary needs new campaign workers to join her team. Mark Penn can hire some of his old Blackwater friends!
——————————————-Iraqi authorities seek Blackwater ouster By STEVEN R. HURST and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writers
40 minutes ago
BAGHDAD – Iraqi authorities want the U.S. government to sever all contracts in Iraq with Blackwater USA within six months and pay $8 million in compensation to each of the families of 17 people killed when the firm’s guards sprayed a traffic circle with heavy machine gun fire last month.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_blackwater_report
This situation just keeps getting murkier.Posted by: TDT | October 08, 2007 at 04:26 PM
Edwards Slams Top Clinton
Strategist’s Ties to BlackwaterEdwards Assails Clinton
as ‘Corporate Democrat’
In a scathing attack, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards went after front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Friday, calling her a “corporate Democrat,” comparing top Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn to former Bush aide Karl Rove and assailing Penn’s ties to Blackwater USA, the embattled private firm of military contractors accused by the Iraqi government of firing upon and killing 11 unarmed Iraqi civilians last month.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3694881&page=1
(Edwards growing balls? Or just taking Hillary’s?)
Might as well join the party with a list of how well the republicans have done lately:
Senate Republicans Have Failed
Mishandled Pre-War Intelligence: Senate Republicans have refused to conduct a meaningful investigation into the mishandling of intelligence leading up to the War in Iraq. It took until February 2004 for Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts to commit to conducting an investigation, but even then, he admitted the issue was “basically on the back burner.” In November 2005, Democrats forced the Senate into a closed session to draw attention to the issue, and as a result, a bipartisan group was selected to determine how best to move forward. Despite this progress, it is still uncertain when, if ever, a real investigation will be take place. [Waxman Report, 1/17/06; Washington Post, 2/13/04; New Republic, 5/10/05; AP, 5/10/05; Washington Post, 11/2/05]
The REAL Cost of Medicare Part D: After the Medicare prescription drug bill was enacted into law, a former HHS official revealed the program would cost taxpayers between $100 and $200 billion more than the $400 billion President Bush said it would cost days before Congress voted on the bill. In January and March 2004, Senate Democrats requested hearings to determine why and to what extent administration officials failed to disclose the true cost of the Medicare prescription drug program. [Waxman Report, 1/17/06; Bush Media Availability, 11/17/03; Washington Post: 3/13/04; Wall Street Journal, 3/18/04; House Ways and Mean Committee Hearing, 3/18/04; Daschle et al Letter, 1/30/04; Daschle et al Letter, 3/26/0]
FEMA’s Failures After Hurricanes Devastated Florida in 2004: After four hurricanes hit Florida in 2004, there was overwhelming evidence that the Federal Emergency Management Agency had botched its response. Members of the Florida delegation called for hearings to examine deficiencies in FEMA operations and management, but Republican-controlled committees declined to conduct an investigation. [Washington Post, 10/5/05]
Disastrous Response to Hurricane Katrina: Although Senate committees held hearings on the federal government’s failure to respond adequately to Hurricane Katrina, Republicans refused the Senate Democrats’ call for an independent commission on the Katrina response similar to the 9/11 Commission. [Waxman Report, 1/17/06; Vote 229, 9/14/05]
Halliburton No-Bid Contracts: After evidence surfaced showing that Vice President Cheney’s office may have helped secure a $7 billion no-bid contract for his former company, Halliburton, Senate Democrats on five separate occasions called on Governmental Affairs Committee Chair Susan Collins to hold hearings to investigate the matter. Collins refused all five requests, and no other Senate committee has investigated what, if any, role the Vice President played in awarding that contract. [Waxman Report, 1/17/06; Democratic Policy Committee Hearing, Lautenberg statement, 6/27/05]
Vice President’s Secret Energy Task Force: In early 2001, Vice President Cheney convened an energy task force made up largely of major Bush-Cheney financial campaign supporters from the energy industry. The task force met behind closed doors and contributed to the formation of the Bush Administration’s energy policy. When Democrats controlled the Senate, Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Lieberman began an investigation into whether or not energy companies like Enron held an inappropriate amount of influence of the formation of the administration’s energy policy. However, once Republicans took control of the Senate and the committees, that investigation came to an abrupt halt. [Waxman Report, 1/17/06; Governmental Affairs Committee Release, 3/27/01; Governmental Affairs Committee Release, 5/22/02]
Treatment of Detainees: After instances of prisoner abuse were exposed at Abu Ghraib prison, the Senate Armed Services Committee conducted hearings into the abuses and has held periodic sessions to review the military’s internal investigations into detainee operations and allegations of mistreatment. However, no Senate committee has opened a comprehensive investigation into alleged abuses at US detention centers or sought to assess individual accountability among military and civilian personnel responsible for handing detainees. Senate Republicans also killed an effort by Democratic Senator Carl Levin to establish an independent commission to look into detainee policies and practices. [Waxman Report, 1/17/06; Armed Services Committee hearings, 5/7/04, 5/11/04, 5/19/04, 7/22/04, 3/10/05; Vote 309, 11/8/05]
GOP Held 20 Whitewater Hearings But Not One Investigation Into CIA Leak Case: It has been nearly 1,000 days since the CIA leak case broke, but Senate Republicans have yet to investigate the issue. The following analysis was compiled by Sen. Harry Reid’s office:
• Number of days after the article outing Ambassador Wilson’s wife appeared that the White House required its staff to turn over evidence relating to the leak: 85
• Approximate hours between then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzalez’s advance notification to White House Chief of Staff Andy Card that he would require staff to turn over evidence relating to the case and formal notification to staff of that requirement: 12
• Minimum number of times an Administration official leaked classified information about the identity of Ambassador Wilson’s wife: 11
• Minimum number of hearings held by Senate Republicans to investigate accusations against President Clinton involving the “Whitewater” case: 20
• Total hearings held by Senate Republicans to investigate the leak of the covert identity of Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s wife: 0[chuckylikescheese
Posted October 8, 2007 at 5:35 pm | Permalink
More of the same.
I can keep this up as long as you can, max.
Five Years of Consecutive Deficits, Balanced Budget Not In Sight. The Republican budget makes the already record deficits worse. The budget proposal passed out of the House Budget Committee includes a projected deficit for 2006 of $372 billion, and a deficit for 2007 of $348 billion. With these current Republican budget priorities, we will see five consecutive years of budget deficits and by 2011, the deficit could total $1.1 trillion. The budget resolution contains no plans to balance the budget, and, in fact, the Republican policies make the deficit worse by $410 billion over five years relative to current budget policies.
Deep Cuts to Education, Training, and Social Services Funding. The House GOP budget contains a $2.2 billion cut to the Department of Education for 2007, cuts to virtually every job training program in the Department of Labor, and cuts to social services programs in the Department of Health and Human Services. Over five years, the Republican resolution cuts purchasing power for education, social services, and training programs by $45.3 billion.
Cuts Veterans’ Healthcare and Taxes Military Retirees. The budget proposal passed out of the House Budget Committee cuts veterans’ healthcare beyond 2007. Despite an initial boost in veterans’ health spending for 2007, over five years (from 2007-2011), the Republican budget resolution actually cuts funding for veterans’ appropriated programs by $6 billion below the level that CBO estimates is needed to maintain current services. Additionally, the Republican budget resolution includes significant increases in TRICARE costs for military retirees under 65. In fact, healthcare fees will triple for retired officers, double for retired senior enlisted personnel, and increase by 40 percent for junior enlisted retirees.
Could Mean Cuts to Homeland Security. The budget resolution cuts $6.1 billion below current services out of two of the main budget functions that finance homeland security activities — Community and Regional Development, and Administration of Justice. These budget functions fund port security grants to tighten the physical security of our ports, the Container Security Initiative to identify and inspect high risk U.S.- bound cargo, procurement of radiation portal monitors to screen for nuclear material in shipping containers and law enforcement terrorism prevention grants for first responders among other functions. Additionally, the Republican budget includes cuts that could reduce the size of the Army National Guard by up to 17,000 and includes a $39 million cut to the critical Cooperative Threat Reduction program, which is a program that helps prevent terrorists from obtaining loose nuclear material.
Fails to Fully Fix the Alternative Minimum Tax. The budget resolution again fails to find a long-term solution for the AMT. The GOP budget resolution includes just a one year AMT patch, not a permanent solution. This not only makes tax planning more difficult for millions of taxpayers, but also distorts and greatly understates the costs of Republican-favored tax code changes.
Last Year’s Republican Priorities…
The Republican Congress Rubberstamped $12.7 Billion in Student Aid Cuts. Last year, the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress, led by indicted Republican Tom DeLay and John Boehner passed the largest raid on federal student aid in American history. By cutting billions from student aid, the Republican Congress made it that much tougher for students to receive higher education. The raid on student aid increased the burden on borrowers while padding the pockets of the lending companies. [S 1932, Vote #670, 12/19/05]
The Republican Congress Rubberstamped Billions in Cuts to Medicare and Preserved the HMO Slush Fund. The vote was for the conference agreement to cut mandatory spending programs by $39.7 billion over the next five years. The bill cut $6.4 billion from Medicare in part by raising premiums for some Part B beneficiaries. It did not cut a $5.4 billion HMO slush fund established by the 2003 Medicare bill to entice insurance companies to offer coverage in certain areas. [S 1932, Vote #670, 12/19/2005; Passed 212-206; R 212-9; D 0-196; I 0-1; House Budget Committee Minority Staff, "Key Provisions in the Conference Report on the Republican Spending Reconciliation Bill." 12/19/05]
The Republican Congress Rubberstamped $22 Billion in Giveaways to the HMOs. After intense lobbying from the health insurance industry, the Republican special interest budget saves HMOs $22 billion dollars. “House and Senate GOP negotiators, meeting behind closed doors last month to complete a major budget-cutting bill, agreed on a change to Senate-passed Medicare legislation that would save the health insurance industry $22 billion over the next decade, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.” [Vote #4, 2/1/06, Washington Post, 1/24/2006]
The Republican Congress Rubberstamped Billions in Cuts From Child Support Enforcement in a Republican Budget That Leaves Mothers and Children Behind, Puts Special Interest First. Republicans in Congress slashed $40 from critical middle class investments. Instead of standing with American families, they cut Child Support Enforcement. The Republican proposal weakens the crackdown on ‘deadbeat dads,’ and weakens the enforcement of critical child support payments to single mothers by $1.6 billion over the next five years. The cuts mean that over $8 billion in child support could go uncollected over the next 10 years. [S 1932, Vote #670, 12/19/05]
There are some concepts that some people are just genetically incapable of understanding… And I guess the community involvement in raising children is one of those…. The Village Hillary talks about comes from an African Quote, where in Africa, the VILLAGE together, raises their children!! Everybody helping to do their part… NOW, IF you people would READ what it is you criticize, you MIGHT know what you are talking about…
And NO I dont think it is strange that a business hires employees… I was only asking what KIND of business you have??? You have a problem with that, YOU who constantly bombard me about my beliefs???
Geez, typical right wing!!
Chucky could be because the leaker admitted it and he wasn’t in the Bush Whitehouse. She wasn’t covert by the definition of covert and Joe lied about why he went to Niger. Thats just for a starter. Now what did you want to investigate?
In other words, the VILLAGE is just the VILLAGE…. NOT the damned government!!! GET IT??? Just read the book!!
Opps, another one:
Allen was arrested March 9th, 2006 for a scam in which he ‘returned’ items he had never originally paid for. He is said to have refunded a total of $5,000 worth of merchandise (such as a home stereo system and a photo printer) over 25 visits in stores such as Target and Hecht’s.
In 2001, President Bush assigned Allen to the number 2 position at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Bush nominated Allen to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in 2003, but the Senate rejected him. In 2005 Bush appointed Allen as his domestic policy advisor. Allen resigned in February of 2006, saying he wanted to spend more time with his family.
Allen pleaded guilty on August 4th to one count of misdemeanor theft. He was ordered to pay $850 and given one month of probation.
Oh, no, can it be? Another one?
Lester M. Crawford became commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration in July 2005 and resigned in August 2006. On October 17th, he pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts, making a false writing and conflict of interest.
Crawford claimed on financial disclosure to have sold stocks in companies whose regulation he oversaw as an FDA official, when he in fact he’d retained ownership. His wife also owned stock in Wal-Mart, a company whose oversight he was in charge of, and he purchased shares in another FDA regulated company while an FDA official.
On February 27, 2007, Crawford was sentenced to to three years of probabtion and was fined $90,000.
Chas did I seem harsh when I didn’t tell you what kind of business I had? Reread it and take the time to comprehend it. Then tell me where I was harsh.
Chas we aren’t the ones having trouble understanding what a village is. You nor I live in Africa so the point of the African village is a little immaterial isn’t it?
You have a hard time with others understanding what you write. Might want to look at that again also. OK?
Let me know where I was critical of you. Certainly didn’t intend to be.
Oh, no, not a child predator:
On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle was sentenced to five years in state prison. Doyle, the deputy press secretary for the Department of Homeland Security, was arrested on April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor.
Doyle is alleged to have had sexually explicit conversations with an undercover police officer posing as a 14-year-old girl online. He is also alleged to have sent pornographic movie clips to the “girl.
Good grief, Grm, what does Chucky’s post have to do with Niger??? Huh??? You need new glasses again???
It’s so fun when Church Lady gets so technical with stuff.
Say this out loud 3 times Church Lady:
I am sofa King weTodd did.
Darn, getting old:
Kyle “Dusty” Foggo was indicted on February 13th, 2007 on eleven counts: one count of Conspiracy, seven counts of Aiding and Abetting Money Laundering and three counts of Aiding and Abetting Honest Services Wire Fraud. A superseding indictment filed on April 11th broadened the scope of the investigation to other include other prid quo quo exchanges between Wilkes and Foggo, thus increasing the count total to 30.
Foggo served as the executive director of the CIA, the agency’s third-highest post, from October 2004 until May 8, 2006. He is a long-time friend of Brent Wilkes, and is accused of accepting bribes from Wilkes.
Foggo has pleaded not guilty and is currently scheduled for trial on October 23rd, however recent press reports have suggested that that date will be postponed.
Grm, WHERE in the hell did I say you were harsh???? Geez, all I did was ask a simple question, and now you are off on some rant… and you STILL insist on inventing a new definition of the term Village!!! Good grief!!
I thought maybe your vacation would help you with your extreme density… Guess it made it worse…
Dirty tricks, anyrepuke?
Chuck McGee, the former Executive Director of the New Hampshire Republican State Committee, pleaded guilty July 28th, 2004 to one count: Conspiracy to engage in interstate telephone communications with the intent to annoy or harass. On March 11th, 2005, he was sentenced to 7 months in prison, which he began serving April 26th, 2005. He served his time and has been released.
McGee conspired with James Tobin, New England Regional Political Director for the Republican National Committee, and Allen Raymond, president of GOP Marketplace, to jam the phone lines of Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts on Election Day, November 5, 2002. Both McGee and Raymond pleaded guilty and testified against Tobin, who was convicted.
I keep this up, the whole republican party will be represented here:
How’m I doin’, Max?
On April 19, 2007, the FBI raided the family business offices of Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ). The FBI is currently pursuing two investigations against Renzi.
The first investigation concerns land-swap legislation from 2005 that inappropriately advantaged a former business partner. Renzi announced legislation that would swap government property for land owned by James Sandlin. Sandlin was then able to sell his land for a sizeable profit. Renzi also failed to disclose a $200,000 check he received from a Sandlin in 2005.
Renzi is also being investigated for signing legislation in November 2003 that benefited a military contractor who employs Renzi’s father. The firm, ManTech International Corp., now holds over $400 million in government contracts with options for an additional $1.1 billion in services
Chucky surely you don’t want to get into a shouting match about dems and repub and which have the most notorious members. Assistant AG, Webb Hubble, business partner James McDougle, 3 managing partners of the Rose Law Firm, a brother who is a convicted cocaine dealer, Johnny Chung, the infamous China Connection, who could forget Hsu. Need I go on. Probably not.
All connected to the HillBill family. I just thought of those off the top of my head. Imagine what I could do with a little research time.
Luv it, luv it:
James Tobin, the former New England Regional Political Director for the Republian National Committee, was found guilty on December 15th, 2005 of two counts: Conspiracy to commit the commission of interstate telephone harassment and Aiding and abetting the commission of interstate telephone harassment. He was acquitted of a third count, Conspiracy against voters’ rights. Tobin faced up to seven years in prison and $500,000 in fines. Tobin was due to enter prison June 23, 2006. However, shortly before he reported to prison a federal appeals court overturned the district court decision and granted Tobin’s request for release pending appeal.
On March 30, 2007 a US Court of Appeals reversed the judgment of conviction and sentence and remanded the case to the district court. Tobin is scheduled for trial on December 4, 2007.
Tobin conspired with Chuck McGee, executive director of the New Hampshire Republican State Committee, and Allen Raymond, president of GOP Marketplace, to jam the phone lines of Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts on Election Day, November 5, 2002. Both McGee and Raymond pleaded guilty and testified against Tobin.
Dinner time here…. later all!!
…the cheesey chuck is creating scroll over territory.
And NO I dont think it is strange that a business hires employees… I was only asking what KIND of business you have??? You have a problem with that, YOU who constantly bombard me about my beliefs???
Geez, typical right wing!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 08, 2007 at 05:37 PM
Grm, WHERE in the hell did I say you were harsh???? Geez, all I did was ask a simple question, and now you are off on some rant… and you STILL insist on inventing a new definition of the term Village!!! Good grief!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 08, 2007 at 05:44 PM
Chas you certainly seemed upset about something. Maybe you are having a bad day. Sorry about that. And Chas where is my rant. Uhh?
As for your suggestion to read ‘It Takes a Village’ I’ll get to that when you finish Laura Ingrahams ‘Power to the People’.
Evidently, you are not getting the point. Both parties have their respective skeletons, so if max wishes to pursue his line of convoluted reasoning, I can retaliate with the same. Finding crooks of both parties is as easy as a simple google.
If max wants to keep this up, I can answer back all night long:-)
You cannot hide Hillary Clinton’s Campaign of Corruption by pasting hundreds of pages of BS.
Post the bible for all I care (you, Obama, and Chas would be very happy), but you cannot disguise Hillary’s Campaign of Corruption by posting news stories about everyone else on the planet.
Got anything FOR Hillary Clinton?
Anything FOR God Obama?
Chucky, you are NOT defending Hillary Clinton or God Obama at all with your attacks on Republicans. Bush ain’t running again, go ahead and slam him all you want.
“…the cheesey chuck is creating scroll over territory.”
Posted by kansas.
And just what is it max is posting, brainfood for morons?
“Let those parasites and hangers on fend for themselves for a change.”
Ksgrm.
In the full context you wrote it, this is your opinion of your employees. It is the attitude MOST employers have toward their workers. I want a government that is on the side of the workers and against such employers
Max, your a loser, whiner, neo-con nazi 28%er. You and your 28%ers are the only ones who care about the crap you’re writing.
You’re right, though, I am slamming the republican crooks, and don’t give a damn about defending hillary, or obama; they’re capable of taking care of themselves.
But, I gotta give it to you; you are one funny dude.
Give an example JR. What do you mean “on the side of workers”?
How many more Government labor laws do you want?
JR the parasites I referred to were the unemployed lying around and living off the fat of the land and the employed. If you are going to quote me take it in context. Of course that won’t suit your purposes as well will it?
Maybe Chas and JR didn’t have a Village to raise them.
Or they are from the same warped town. Hooterville maybe?
Chucky, Max made a very good point and it could lead to an indepth discussion. What exactly has Hillary done that makes her presidential material?
I really would like you to give me a serious response to this question. You must have some reason to vote for her or Obama and because they aren’t Bush isn’t valid.
Are you up to the challenge?
Surely even you can see the flaw in this method. What happens when the worker bees of the world say ‘enough’. I will no longer work to provide jobs for others. I’ll hoard my money and take care of me and mine. Let those parasites and hangers on fend for themselves for a change.
That’s the entire paragraph ksrm.
I gather YOU are the “worker bee” and your employees are the…well you know. You said it.
TELLING!
See, that’s the thing, JR. I don’t want a gov’t on anyone’s “side.” I want a gov’t that establishes a legal and economic environment, and lets the market sort out winners and losers for themselves.
Gov’ts which choose “sides” are always subject to to influence by those who are going to the be the winners and losers. They, who have resources will spend a great deal of time and money influencing gov’t. And THAT is a recipe for gov’t by the monied, the rich, the influential.
Gov’ts who choose “sides” to be economic winners/losers, advantages and disadvantages doled out by statute, will consistently be bought by those who intend to be winners.
Oh, and yes, in large part, that’s what we have. Both parties. As long as we see gov’t as the determiner as who is to be advantaged, it will always be so.
Ahhh yes, and I see it is still too difficult for Grm to say what KIND of business she has… NOTE I am not asking for the NAME of the business… I dont want to know that… just what KIND… And still I get the great republican run around…. All kinds of ineuendo, and ad hominem, and no direct answers to the most simple of questions… Grm talks all the time about the business she owns, but doesnt want to tell us what TYPE of business it is… Good grief…
You know, I dont really CARE…. It could be a whore house for all I care…. But, you cant even answer a simple question…. and yet you want such precise data out of posters that disagree with your constant right wing drivel day after day after day…
Go work for your God Limbaugh!!! You ought to be very happy working for an ogre like that!!
I got nothing more to say to you… if you cant even post a civil conversation!! Go back on vacation…. the Blog was a whole lot better in your absence!!
Grm, why should JR put it in context?? You spend all your time here taking other people’s posts OUT of context, and then complaining about it!!
See, that’s the thing, JR. I don’t want a gov’t on anyone’s “side.” ”
Gee I don’t know that having a GOVERMENT EMPLOYEE in the JUSTICE system with an attitude like THAT is such a good idea!
Dinner time.
Feel free to pile on in my absence. Ya know, since you’re doing so well and all!
Jr worker bees would be those who have jobs. Sorry you didn’t get that.
I got nothing more to say to you… if you cant even post a civil conversation!! Go back on vacation…. the Blog was a whole lot better in your absence!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 08, 2007 at 06:04 PM
Summary of Chas’s post.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
KSgrm already explained who she was referring to above.
Ksgrm is pretty close to the mark on this.
For example, I know some doctors who are in the 55 and up age group. 1/3 of all doctors are inn this group.
When HillaryCare! comes in and cuts their salaries, many of these doctors (up to 1/3 of them!) will simply retire early.
Many others in the 55 and up group in other professions, who have worked hard and saved money their whole lives (instead of not working and living off of others their whole lives)will be in a position if not now, then very soon, to retire early.
I’m close to that place myself.
And you can better believe, if/when Hillary and the Socialists come in and raise my taxes signifantly, cut my Social Security through means tests, there will be others like me who will simply throw in the towel and retire early.
You deadbeats cannot chain us to our jobs and force us to work.
On that day, many of you will have to get jobs for the very first time.
So, I’m almost hoping that happens.
Almost except for the fact that I care about my 3 kids and what kind of future they will have under Socialism.
We will have a European Socialist Economy with a weak National Defense, high unemployment, 35-40 year old kids living with parents and grandparents in extended families because no one can afford to buy a house or even rent a small apartment.
Oh, and we will have HillaryCare! And 6 month’s of waiting time to see a doctor, and not the doctor of your choice, but the one Hillary choses.
Chas what my business is is something I don’t feel comfortable discussing on this blog. I was warned by WSClark and JR that they would find out what business it was and harm it. I feel very strongly that they would do this is they could.
Sorry you can’t understand this. I will talk with you about employee laws, labor laws, small business practices or any other policy subjects. I won’t tell the nature of my business.
See, that’s the thing, JR. I don’t want a gov’t on anyone’s “side.” ”
Gee I don’t know that having a GOVERMENT EMPLOYEE in the JUSTICE system with an attitude like THAT is such a good idea!
Posted by: J R | October 08, 2007 at 06:07 PM
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I’ll assume, JR, you understand why Lady Justice is portrayed as BLINDFOLDED!!!
The one thing you DON’T want, ESPECIALLY in a justice system, is a Gov’t which systematically takes SIDES.
How ’bout I put it this way:I’m on the side of the law. Where would you prefer me to be?
Last before I go for dinner cause I just can’t let that stand.
All I said I’d do was boycott your business. And I would.
Oh and it is EMINENTLY clear from above your attitude to your employees. I wonder if they know?
BOn Apetit!
No, Kansas, it takes a village is NOT about the government, and it’s not about Africa, Grm. It’s about your community and family.
For instance…my village. My village built a playground for all the kids. I take care of elderly folks and my dad and grandparents. I spent all day today with my grandma after surgery. Teachers at school looking out for abused kids. The neighbor down the street who loves to spend time with my son to give me a little break.
Oh and it is EMINENTLY clear from above your attitude to your employees. I wonder if they know? Posted by: J R | October 08, 2007 at 06:19 PM
Only thing clear to J R is that bottle of hootch on his table.
Max if this is so true, why are so many doctors FOR national healthcare?
That’s low Kansas, since it was proven that Paul had nothing but words to say in regards to JR being an alcoholic. But leave it to you to take that lie and run with it.
No, Kansas, it takes a village is NOT about the government, and it’s not about Africa, Grm. It’s about your community and family. Posted by: political_mom | October 08, 2007 at 06:21 PM
No PMom, that is called proper adult behavior and community involvement.
Neighbor down the street is a good neighbor.
OK Grm, have it your way… But…. Dont you EVER say anything again about MY vocation… and MY career!!!! Got it??? What’s good for YOU is good for ANY of us… Got it???
That’s low Kansas, since it was proven that Paul had nothing but words to say in regards to JR being an alcoholic. But leave it to you to take that lie and run with it.
Posted by: political_mom | October 08, 2007 at 06:23 PM
Oh what J R says about mocking my disability is not low?
I see…
OK Grm, have it your way… But…. Dont you EVER say anything again about MY vocation… and MY career!!!! Got it??? What’s good for YOU is good for ANY of us… Got it???
Posted by: Chas. | October 08, 2007 at 06:24 PM
What vocation is that Chas? :)
Bush has rejected mandatory cuts in greenhouse gases — and instead wants to use voluntary measures.
In Texas in 1997, gov Bush passed a weak, voluntary emission reduction program, instead of a tougher mandatory program.
It did NOT work.
‘The Texas lesson on Bush¹s global warming reduction goals’http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7112396
“… and only one plant in the entire state could be fairly said to have responded to Bush’s 1997 voluntary initiative.
The legislature knew the voluntary approach wasn’t working, and when Bush left to go to Washington, they replaced the voluntary plan with mandates.”
Ummmm CHEVY??? Go CHASE your tail somewhere…. Those are extremely libelous remarks!! One of these days somebody will figure out how to SUE people who make libelous remarks on Blogs… since we dont have a monitor….
One of these days somebody will figure out how to SUE people who make libelous remarks on Blogs… since we dont have a monitor….
Posted by: Chas. | October 08, 2007 at 06:28 PM
Yeah Chas, you’ll be in my top ten list.
“Grm, why should JR put it in context?? You spend all your time here taking other people’s posts OUT of context, and then complaining about it!!”Posted by: Chas.
Am I reading this right? Two wrongs make a right. You did it so it is okay for me to do it.
The first problem, if you will read the post, is that ksgrm’s post is be taken our of context. To use someone else’s words, Do you have a problem with reading?
Chas many times I have said I am an accountant. You see we started a family business and put everything we had into it. I worked a full time job outside of the business so we would have something to live on. I was a finance manager for many years in the insurance business as well as doing the family books in my spare time. We finally reached a point where I didn’t have to rely on outside income to survive.
By the way JR we have had several employees that left for what they thought were greener pastures and came back because we treated them so well. I considered this a complement.
KS GRANDMA: This did two things. We were able to modernize equipment and many suppliers of this equipment were able to sell their wares. Where do you see the falicy in this policy?
It allowed doctors to write of hummers for one thing. For another thing, you saved taxes in the short run, but in the long run you pay the same amount, because you have written off your depreciation. Eventually, someone has to pay the piper. If every trucker gets a new truck, what happens to the truck market?
I agree, accelrated depreciation was a good shot in the arm for the economy given the conditions.
You may also look at the elimination of gains taxes on personal homes under the Clinton administration as one of the great drivers of the housing boom, which foundered on greed, and lack of regulation of lenders.
Door King you do have a limited point here. The change in capital gains taxes did help some home owners but only a limited number. On the other hand the Alternative Minimum Tax hurt and will continue to hurt many more tax payers.
This needs to be changed or at the very least be indexed for inflation.
There were abuses of the accelerated depreciation as there always is when a new law or tax code in inacted. The good accomplished by allowing struggling businesses to replace aging equipment far outweighed the harm done by those who took advantage of the new law.
The year the law was enacted was also the first year the Escalade was manufactured. This gave a needed shot in the arm for GM and many doctors and business owners were driving 6000lb vehicles that were written off the first year.
The law had a loophole and the car and truck mfgs. took advantage of it. Their advertising was all geared to this.
Many small business owners like us will still be purchasing equipment in the years to come so the economy will be helped in this way, much as the incentive that was given this year for buying a Hybrid car.
Thank you KsGrm :-)
The year the law was enacted was also the first year the Escalade was manufactured. much as the incentive that was given this year for buying a Hybrid car.Posted by: ksgrm
I got my first hybrid in August 2002. It was a 2003 Honda. For that, I got a 2,500 federal and 1,500 state tax break. Not sure if GM had any hybrids that year.
But Congress screwed it up. They later set up number of models sold limits on the incentive, and have different tax breaks by model. Screwy. If they sell 60,000 Honda Hybrids – then the tax break ends with the next car buyer. It also declines as more units are sold. Makes it difficult to time the market, my pocketbook, and get the biggest potential tax break.
Just give em all a break and be done with it!
Hybrid Owner, we bought our Prius in June of this year. We found there was a time limit for the rebate. Anyone buying after Sept 1 lost out altogether. We will get a $750 tax break. I think there should be an ongoing incentive to encourage car buyers to go with fuel savings. We don’t see to many Prius’ in Kansas but were very encouraged to see many more in other parts of the country. We were very surprised earlier this summer when in Victoria BC that Prius was the car of choice for almost all taxis.
Ron Paul FTW… everyone else makes me nauseous.
ks grm: Not having to pay a 15 percent tax on the sale of up to two homes in a five-year period was of limited value to a few? Every hear of flipping homes? The exemption was the fuel that drove the whole mess. Your alternate minimum tax statement is a red herring. However, it was enacted under a Repulican president, Nixon.
Door king I am talking about the average buyer. You are talking about a business. Private home ownership is up to record levels and this I feel fueled the market. Unfortunately the greed of a few with the cooperation of the lending industry has brought house values down and foreclosures up.
GMC:”The one thing you DON’T want, ESPECIALLY in a justice system, is a Gov’t which systematically takes SIDES.”
Too bad you couldn’t get that message to G W Bush and Alberto Gonzales.
GMC”How ’bout I put it this way:I’m on the side of the law. Where would you prefer me to be?”
For a poster who has consistently said things to the effect that our biases always influence our perceptions. This is a less than satisfying self-justification.
Sorry, I am very surprised that you would post such stuff/hypocrisy. You make it way too easy…
Ummmm CHEVY??? Go CHASE your tail somewhere…. Those are extremely libelous remarks!! One of these days somebody will figure out how to SUE people who make libelous remarks on Blogs… since we dont have a monitor….
Posted by: Chas. | October 08, 2007 at 06:28 PM
Logical conclusion drawn from your own words. Sue me. Oh, but be willing to be tested first to confirm if any or all of those conditions are true. If so, you have no case. If not, you have no case. This is a blog boy. That was just my opinion, which any reasonable judge will conclude from your writing, as being a reasonable conclusion.
Starting to look like The Coalirion of the Unwilling!http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071008/ts_nm/iraq_britain_brown_dc_6;_ylt=AnCVRqfM1l4sSMXoCI2gjMBlM3wV
S. Davis:
N question, our biases shape our perceptions. However, I believe – I HAVE to believe – that I can look at a case dispassionately. From a criminal case perspective, politics matters little. My job is to apply the law, not decide what laws I like. I think I can do that.
Perhaps I fool myself; we all do, to a certain extent. But it’s what I do. And, thankfully, we have an independent court and a jury to hold me accountable. As it should be.
As to it being “easy” – it’s not a competition, SD. There’s no “winning” here. Just thinking. I don’t get into the “gotcha” game, at least I try not to.
One truly hopes GMC that you do not exploit the weakness of the most likely inferior council that must often represents your defendants. I wish it were equal justice under law. Reality is more fiscally based.
Obama’s spiritual mentor is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Jr., the racist, separatist, black liberation theologian who pastors the leftist, pro-abortion, pro-sodomy Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. TUCC’s black values include slaughtering up to 2/3 of black babies in abortion mills, which is probably why Obama, who claims to be mostly black, voted in favor of live birth abortions in the Illinois Senate. (The United Church of Christ is an apostate cult that intends to “marry” sodomites and ordain witches and abortionist quacks.)We may shudder to think what kind of spiritual “kingdom” Obama wants to usher into the USofA.
Parkay, THAT is pure unadulterated LYING SLANDER against a very mainline denomination… as old as the original Pilgrims… I think you should probably think about taking back your statements about the United Church of Christ… I KNOW Jeremiah Wright personally, and he is NOTHING that you spew out here…
Remember… The firts amendment protects YOUR crazy religious views, as much as Rev. Wright’s… or, would you like your beliefs to be wiped out???
I think parkay hit the “truth hurts nerve” of Chas when he talked about the United Church of Christ. At least the far left that associate themselves with that.
What TRUTH, Kansas??? NOTHING Parkay said upthread is true of that denomination!! NOTHING!! except that the denomination has been ordaining Gay/Lesbian pastors since the mid-70’s… THAT is the only TRUE statement he can make there!!! The rest is pure LIES!!!
You mean the part about the “apostate cult that intends to “marry” sodomites”
or
“…ordain witches and abortionist quacks.”
I thought the first phrase was fun, sort of rolls off the tongue. :)
Give ol’ “parkay” a break, “Chas.”
“parkay” merely posts what God would if He had the courage.
“I think…”
Posted by: Kansas | October 08, 2007 at 11:14 PM
Nobody cares what the multi-named, lying Kansas thinks.
JR
Thank you for the backhanded complement, though I don’t think defense counsel are in any way inferior. In our jurisdiction we are blessed to have very good appointed counsel. Further, as much as we like to think the lawyer makes all the difference, usually, it doesn’t.
Usually, the facts are what the facts are. If the facts are favorable, I win, if not, I don’t (or most often by far, I don’t even file).
I know you think the system is fatally flawed. Come on over and follow me around for a while. I think you’ll find the system works, all in all, amazingly well, though it is certainly frustrating at times.
More important, can you offer a better alternative?
Parkay doesnt deserve any breaks for posting intentional slander/libelous trash on the Blog.
And if he thinks he can, he might have another think coming…
More important, can you offer a better alternative?
Posted by: GMC70 | October 08, 2007 at 11:25 PM
“Dunking” saved a lot of prison space.
GMC
It wasn’t a compliment backhanded or otherwise.
Money buys justice. I don’t need to cite examples you already know them.
PS you are being trolled (I think) on the immigration thread. For what it is worth I spoke up for you. You’re welcome.
cosmos is so bitter – like the jilted bride left at the altar, he ‘pines’ for the affection of the GORACLE.
Nothing to see here… just the same old CRAP…. from the same old CRAPPERS!!!
Good Night; Good Luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!! (even to parkay)
JR -
“money buys justice”
Sometimes, but not nearly as much as you think. Again, I’ll invite you to come over and follow me around for a while. It’ll be an eye-opener, I promise.
Offer an alternative.
You follow me around awhile here GMC. I hope I proved to you I can be fair. Now, I gotta go address a “perceived slight” so it can go away and not consume anymore space here.
“GMC70″ wrote:
“‘…money buys justice’
“Sometimes, but not nearly as much as you think…”
Nice lawyerly answer, “GMC70.”
Fact is, most of the time defendants are guilty as sin. Even the ghost of Clarence Darrow couldn’t get ‘em off.
And another fact is, the best lawyers generally learn fast that they can make much better livings in private practice rather than working for Legal Aid.
In an ex-urban environment such as Butler County, the A-List attorneys might (just might) be given the resources to mount a defense comparable to the resources of the State which can be brought in to prosecute a defendant. But I doubt it.
The SCOTUS is even on record somewhere as ruling that the Constitution guarantees the right to legal counsel, but not the right to great legal counsel. And, as I am sure you know, the right to counsel does not automatically give an indigent defendant access to private investigators, forensic analysts, expert witnesses or anything comparable to a prosecutor’s support staff. You need OJ money to match what the State of California (the 4th-largest economy on the planet) can bring into the courtroom.
As a practical matter, lawyers keep score. Prosecutors promote their political careers by crowing about their conviction rates. Defense attorneys get the big bucks by out-thinking prosecutors… and getting paid for it.
Unless s/he’s a true-believer, no Legal Aid kid straight out of law school is gonna stick around for long to fight a prosecutorial system that’s been engineered against the indigent defendant. The cash is stacked against them.
“Offer an alternative.”
‘A matter of life and global warmingPresident Bush’s hot-and-cold approach delays strategy to cut harmful gases’http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2007/10/08/warmed_1009.html ” “A voluntary approach to reducing greenhouse gases is hardly likely to be more effective than voluntary speed limits on the roads,” a top British official quipped after Bush’s [recent] address.”
See also at bottom of the page,”HE CHANGES LIKE THE WEATHER
How President Bush’s stance on global warming has evolved over time:”
M-hawk
You’ve just spouted the law school ivory tower version. While there are elements of truth, it assumes the worst, in every situation. Yes, the State has resources; but the resources which can be brought to bear on any particular case are quite limited. Further, there is, at least in Kansas, BIDS money for investigators, etc. It’s not nearly as lopsided as you think. Further, the rules of evidence tend to favor the defendant, and the burden on the State is the highest in law.
You hit why we win anyway – defendants are guilty (and often stupid . . . but that’s another story). Any prosecutor who does not have a conviction rate well over 90% is incompetent; that’s not because we’re brilliant (well, not entirely – ;-)!), it’s just a matter of picking the cases. If I don’t have a reasonable shot at proving the case, to a jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, I simply don’t file at all.
“GMC70″ –
Far from “assuming the worst in every situation,” I acknowledged that yes, in fact, most defendants are guilty. I’ll even stipulate the stupid part.
But you’re attempt to fend off the issue at hand is, frankly, pretty lame. Every thinking person on the planet knows why OJ got an acquittal and Phil Spector got a hung jury: money buys “justice.”
And the issue at hand isn’t just about criminal prosecution, is it? The *big* money is corporate money and the best attorneys gravitate toward the money.
Before he died, my Dad was a small town physician. He was Old School; just wanted to treat and heal sick people. By the time he retired, he’d been forced to hire specialists to handle the quagmire of insurance companies’ actuaries who, sometimes a thousand miles away, second-guessed his diagnoses and procedures. Dad was sued once, in a forty-year career, for malpractice and spent more time than you can imagine preparing for his defense… until the lawyers for his insurance-carrier negotiated a settlement.
He actually made more money per office visit when Medicare came along than he charged before it.
He, as most doctors in America these days, was perfectly willing to accept the first “HillaryCare of the 1990s. But he took the concept one step further.
“Perhaps we need,” he said, “LegalCare.” Lawyers are, generally, smart people who have excellent education and training. They proclaim a code of ethics and deserve to be compensated for what they know.
Perhaps there should be “LegalCare,” where anyone in America can hire any attorney in America and that attorney is guaranteed a substantial salary regardless of whom s/he represents.
If, by luck of the draw, I could get Jerry Spence to defend my speeding ticket… and a just-out-of-law-school Legal Aid candidate would be assigned to defend Big Tobacco instad of legions of $500/hr Shook,Hardy,Bacon lawyers, there might be a chance of real justice.
Or maybe the legal profession might be forced to raise the “Bar.”
“Justice” should not be a commodity, dispensed to the highest bidder.
But it is, you know.
the best perk of universal health care is that it would eliminate the insurance companies. If that could be accomplished, I’m for it, no matter what the actual affect on health care in this country.