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Open thread 10/05
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Oct. 5, 2007 at 1:06 a.m.
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The dramatic melting of Arctic sea ice this year, and the large amount of thinner, easily melted remaining ice, suggests that human-caused global warming could soon cause major impacts on our Earth.
I suggest that everyone write a letter, to be read by your family, and/or friends families, 100 years from now.
‘The 100 Year Letter Project’http://www.desmogblog.com/100/
“We asked friends of DeSmogBlog to write a letter to their great, great grandchildren about their vision and hopes for their world in 100 years, in the context of global warming. Will we all be underwater? In outer space?
Here’s what they wrote:
Simon Donner, Climate Scientist: “I thought of you, the future Donners. Are you still shoveling snow off the lake and playing hockey at the cottage? Do you have to wait an extra month for the lake to freeze? Or does the lake not freeze at all?”
Read the whole letter, and another by Pete McCormack, at link.
Also, some GREAT photos in the ‘Contest: Greenest Photo Ever’ at http://desmogblog.com/
Choose your favorite, and vote for it.
Dear Descendants,
I’m sorry you’re freezing and apologize for the cold weather. It’s been 100 years since the Alarmists got their way and turned off the oil spigots. I know you would like to heat your homes with solar power, but that darned shift of the earth’s axis prevents you from doing so.
You’ll find some old Al Gore books in the warehouse behind the dump. You can burn those to keep warm.
regretfully,
Sort and Deport now !!!
UTTERLY MODERN RELATIONSHIP.By Writerdog
From the first moment her saw her picture on “Hot or not” he just seemed to know she was the one!He hit the Yes and waited for her to responds, the next day she checked his profile and then agreed and they left messages on each others page. They started IMing each other and the relationship seem to be growing, he was in Kansas and she in California, and the miles shorten by the ease of the electronic age.
His profile seemed nice and he was good looking in his profile picture, she thought that she might be able to fall in love with this one. As the week went by, they came to be IMing and E-mailing each other every hour. Till finally he showed his desire for a real relationship… He asked to be added to her friend’s list on MySpace. She was trilled! Then she too was added to his MySpace friends list and they were going steady.But they agreed to take their time and really get to know each other to make sure this was a relationship that could stand the test of time!
In the middle of the following week he sent an IM asking for her hand in marriage. She E-mailed back her joy and said “Yes”. Then their families watched through a videoconference link as they both watched a video of a Minister perform the marriage ceremony that they found on Youtube. That night they spent their honeymoon watching each other perform different sexual things on them selves through a web cam.
Setting down to married life, they both worked then rushed back home and turned on the computer spending the night texting each other and watching a movie on yahoo movie site. This proved harder then one might think as California is and hour behind Kansas and so they had to agree to be loading the same video at the same time. As newly weds these intimate moment were so special and of course after the movie it would be time for a little web cam fun.. wink, wink!
In nine months the family was overjoyed to get the news, they had found a picture of a baby on Yahoo Pictures and posted it to they join MySpace page! Life just did not get any better than this! But then there was heartbreak, one day he was checking out her MySpace page when he noticed there was a new friend!His profile picture showed him bare chest and flexing his muscles for the camera. Then he read the comments this strange man was leaving on her comments. All sort of sexy and shameful things. But the last caused his heart to leap into his throat and tears roll down his cheeks, “Wow I have never seen someone get so wild on her web cam before!”. He was crushed, the love of his life was cheating on him with her web cam!
He E-mailed her and told her they were through! Then faxed a filing for a divorce to the courthouse.Through video conferencing she admit to the breaking those sacred vows and the Judge posted on the court house web site the decree of Divorce. He farther decreed that the husband would have sole custodies of the baby picture and the wife would be require to pay the yearly fee for a file storage site that the picture would be stored in. But she would have liberal visitation rights to the site.
Such is the UTTERLY MODERN RELATIONSHIP!
Where’s my free money???!!!
I want my handouts and I want them now!!!!!!!!!!
I have two kids. I want $10,000
RETROactively!!!
I want my money!!
You OWE it to me.
Give me my FREEEEE MONEEEEEEEEY!
The update version of the pledge of allegiance. Well, the one I teach my kid anyway.
Strike all the other stuff.
Rise and face the flag.
“With liberty and justice for those who can afford it.”
Last night I was watching the History Channel and they did one on Hippies.
They did a great job documenting and educating the viewers about the leftist hippie culture.
I would suggest to anybody interested in mass American Sub-culture and the ramifications of their popularity caused should watch it.
It clearly shows how leftist ideology is always met with failure. Even as they try to recreate themselves a number of times, it still ends up failing. Gives you a good insight of the leftist who have hijack the Democratic Party and now are controlling them.
I feel sorry for you Democrats. I thought the Evangelical hijack of the Republicans was bad, but leftist are clearly a lot worse and more destructive.
Your a child of the malaise 70’s Joe. The beginning of America’s decline.
The 60’s were the golden age of America. I’m just sorry I was too young to see it.
“With liberty and justice for those who can afford it.”
Spoken like a true socialist.
And BS of course. Liberty and justice are not predicated on how much FREE MONEY you have.
It makes a nice nursery rhyme but means nothing. Except of course:
WAAAAA!!! WHERE IS MY FREE MONEY???!@!!!
DAMN IT MY COUNTRY OWES ME FREE MONEY AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!!!!!!
Heil Hillary!
Aack a zombie!
Everyone knows the American Dream has been dead since 1985.
The dead post!
The dead post!Posted by: J R
Why J R, I always thought that was what people thought of all your posts.
Save the world.
PS (quietly. I’m back. No fanfare. I’m a nobody. Not a hero like J R.)
I didn’t yell “here girl!” did I?
Pattie hun? I’ve a request. Plase to stop leaving dead birds on my porch.
I mis spelled please just for you. Make it last. Try not to wake the neighbors.
Someone must have given J R a dictionary. I noticed he spelled most of his words correctly.
I’m on you like stink on shit JR.Not a sweetie sorta thing.
We are all still waiting for you to save the world.
You haven’t done squat since youwere resurrected. Except fill the blogs with butchered English.
Come on democrats and liberals:
Get me my free money!!
Hurry the heck up!
Great another stalker.
Dear? If you must watch me while I’m sleeping, try to remember and not leave your panties in my flower bed.
Say what you want about the hippies, but I loved that era because the people I knew were real and into trusting and helping each other..plus we had the greatest music ever.I miss the 60’s!!!!
in my flower bed.
Posted by: J R
Yeah, you remind me of flower power. Flower in your hair. Let the sunshine.
I miss the 60’s!!!!
Posted by: Mary Caruso
Yeah baby (puff puff)! Far out (pass pass)!
Hey, you got the reefer all wet!
I envy ya Mary. All I have is the stories people tell.
Where are the VSO’s???
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Rush Limbaugh, an expert at hate speech and half truths, is now comparing veterans who oppose him to suicide bombers. First, Rush called soldiers who oppose his view “phony soldiers” and now lies about it. Now he is comparing our combat wounded to suicide bombers. A soldier dared challenge Rush in an advertisement and Rush counters by comparing the soldier to the bomber. To quote Bob Dole: “Where were the VSO’s?” Senator Dole was talking about the American Legion’s and other veteran service organizations’ failure to identify the problems at Walter Reed. But his quote serves just as well to ask why the American Legion and the rest are silent while Rush calls troops phonies and now compares them to suicide bombers.
The soldier, Brian McGough, said: “Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real. My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a “phony soldier” to my face, stop telling lies about my service.” This was in response to Limbaugh’s “phony soldier” comment.
Rush’s response? Horrendously, Rush compared this soldier, Brian McGough, who was seriously wounded by shrapnel, to a suicide bomber and then insulted the intelligence of that soldier. Limbaugh actually said:
“He discusses his service in Iraq, the wounds he suffered there, and he says to me in this ad, “Until you have the guts to call me a ‘phony soldier’ to my face, stop telling lies about my service.” You know, this is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into.”Rush made a career of insulting military service from Max Cleland to Jack Murtha to Brian McGough. Limbaugh reached the point where he thinks nothing of insulting any military person who opposes him. He went too far with his “phony soldier” remark and he went WAY over the top when he compared a combat wounded soldier to a suicide bomber. As I write this, I hear Rush demanding Senator Reid come on his show and defend Senator Reid’s remarks concerning Rush on the Senate floor. Well Rush Limbaugh, let Brian McGough come on your show and other similar veterans and talk with them first. Implying someone is a suicide bomber is not funny or humorous. To compare a wounded veteran in a war with suicide bombers is simply cruel.
To the American Legion and the other veteran service organizations where are you and why are you not speaking out and condemning Rush? Could it be because Rush is a mouthpiece for the failed Bush Regime?
And thics vile creep is allowed to spew his vomit on Armed services radio.
I miss the 60’s!!!!Posted by: Mary Caruso
The sixties was a good trip. I don’t remember half of it, and the half I do remember is a haze, but it was wild baby wild. I think I saw you at a few concerts. Up front with the freaks. Sitting on some guys shoulders exposing yourself to the American Band.
Kings of the Party, Mary!!!
Because JR, they realize the only “phonies” are the charges that Media Matters made, that the MSM parroted, and the choir of Democrat senators dutifully sang.
BTW. I was wrong about the Limbaugh matter being a non-story by the end of the week.
It didn’t take that long.
I miss the 60’s!!!!
Posted by: Mary Caruso
Cuban missle crises (almost died)JFK assassinationMartin Luther King assassinationBobby Kennedy assassinationThe Manson murders/Sharon TateCivil Rights workers murderedAssassination of Malcolm XFifty thousand dead in Vietnam.
Wonderful!
Apollo programGreat societycivil rightsequal rights for women
What do we have now to compare to that Outie. Oh yeah, you’re getting richer.
Gotta tell ya Outie. You lost a couple years of respect from me in 3 short days. Better be nicer to your enemies. I don’t think you can trust your friends. I know I don’t. Rush is doing me a favo though. I ask my kid: “Do you want to go and fight and die so that asshole can be a millionaire spreading lies?” He thinks he’d rather not.
Apollo program (for what/huge waste)Great society (what? LSD/MJ/Smack)civil rights (still not)equal rights for women (but not in pay)
Give me more.
Uh oh. Looks like someone(s) forgot their medications again…
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Crowson, I know yer married and all, but if you are ever single, would you marry me?
Damn, he nailed it AGAIN!
“What do we have now to compare to that Outie. Oh yeah, you’re getting richer.”
I think the rule is you have to be rich before you can be richer JR.
Army investigation faults Blackwater in unprovoked shooting. Why does the Army hate America so much?http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071005/ts_nm/iraq_contractors_report_dc_3;_ylt=AocEKlXeJs70hcetdHCdOoxlM3wV
Army investigation faults Blackwater in unprovoked shooting. Why does the Army hate America so much?http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071005/ts_nm/iraq_contractors_report_dc_3;_ylt=AocEKlXeJs70hcetdHCdOoxlM3wV
Posted by: The Phantom | October 05, 2007 at 09:20 AM
What? The army found Blackwater at fault!
Nuance is so lost on narrow minds….
JR–
Rush a “millionaire.”
Oh, no, my friend. Try BILLIONAIRE. He makes a quarter billion a year. The reich-wing corporatists know how to reward those who do their bidding. It’s money well spent.
Because for every dollar they pay Rushbo, they get another Joe Williams or a Kansas or an outie or a Max to labor away uncomplainingly so their corporate masters can buy a sixth house in London and direct the working man’s wrath at LIBERALS!
Of course.
“Joe Williams or a Kansas or an outie or a Max to labor away…”
Hey! I labor away uncomplainingly for my corporate master, too.
Every time Rush makes stupid comments on a hurricane coming that climatologists say is indicative of Global Warming, I find myself secretly wishing that the hurricane will blow his “southern command” headquarters off the Florida coast!! I know, I’m bad… but I would love to hear him spin that one away!! LOL
Good for you, fleetie.
It’s nice to see that even the severely retarded can lead productive lives . . .
You do remember to wipe your chin when you crawl out from under the supervisors desk don’t you fleetie?
Actually I labor away for the
Tax man,
Insurance Companies,
Mortgage Company,
and then my corporate master.
In that order.
Hank
“The reich-wing corporatists know how to reward those who do their bidding.”
And damn all those listeners who drive up the ratings to such a high peak that the advertisers pay top dollar for air time.
If it weren’t for the large mass of people listening, that fat old SOB, Rush wouldn’t have a dime!
The liberals have already sunk to name calling today. It’s such a shame anyone with a different opinion posts here. The opinions posted here should all be one sided.
That way, libs wouldn’t have to lower themselves to such levels:
Good for you, fleetie.
It’s nice to see that even the severely retarded can lead productive lives . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 05, 2007 at 10:07 AM
You do remember to wipe your chin when you crawl out from under the supervisors desk don’t you fleetie?
Posted by: J R | October 05, 2007 at 10:09 AM
(J R tag team)
Actually, that’s the main attraction for me to get on, Pat.
To show the self-hindering stupidity of the reich-wing.
The right-wing mythos is all about keeping people like you stupid and happy that you can give most of the profit of your labor to a corporate fat-cat who doesn’t even know your name.
“The liberals have already sunk to name calling today”
Posted by: Pat Herron | October 05, 2007 at 10:16 AM
“Actually, that’s the main attraction for me to get on, Pat.”Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 05, 2007 at 10:25 AM
Well, at least he’s honest about it
On a much more important topic:
Tomorrow is Wolfstock at the Sedgwick County Park. If you haven’t been, I highly recommend it.
Yoiu can have a good time with your dog. There are a lot of venders and activities, all dog related. Even if you don’t have a dog, there will be something there for you to enjoy.
John Mannenbach and I will be doing some sheepdog demonstrations and for a donation to the Humaine Society we’ll instinct test your dog on sheep.
If you’ve ever wonered what your dog would do around stock, tomorrow’s your chance to find out.
Hank
Ever anxious and eager to find anything to agree with a winger about I’ll agree this one time with Hank.
Woofstock is a wonderful event for a great cause. The aim is to build a shelter large enough that no adoptable animal ever would ever have to be euthanized for lack of space. The weather looks to be beautiful too. And at just $3, attendance is open to most everyone.
Woofstock is a wonderful event for a great cause. The aim is to build a shelter large enough that no adoptable animal ever would ever have to be euthanized for lack of space. The weather looks to be beautiful too. And at just $3, attendance is open to most everyone.
Posted by: J R | October 05, 2007 at 10:39 AM
i am unable to attend, but where cand I send my $3? Actually, I will send more.
at just $3, attendance is open to most everyone.
Posted by: J R
Maybe the government should subsidize those who cannot afford it. Or, the people running the event should let them in free?
PS: Good job with “euthanized”. Spell checkers are wonderful, aren’t they? See ya!
Kansas Humane society I think.
Hey Hank?
Oh and not that I owe you any favors Hank; but you might want to go to http://www.howmanyofme.com and reconsider using your full name here.
“The liberals have already sunk to name calling today”
Posted by: Pat Herron | October 05, 2007 at 10:16 AM
“Actually, that’s the main attraction for me to get on, Pat.”Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 05, 2007 at 10:25 AM
Well, at least he’s honest about it
Posted by: littlejohn
Right, that’s a textbook example of taking something out-of-context.
Which is the next thing to a lie.
Didn’t expect that from you, LJ.
The context was liberals name calling. The next event was Capn America stating that he logs on just to name call.
CaspnAmerica-
I didn;t see it as taking out of context. If I did, I apologize. The subject of the previous was liberal name calling. Your post followed.
ANyway, forgive me if I took it out of context.I am not in the best of humor. My son will be arriving in Bagdad next week.
I’m calling it. The “global warming” fad has jumped the shark.
The Goracle won’t debate it.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/589551,CST-EDT-HUNT05.article
I am not in the best of humor. My son will be arriving in Bagdad next week.
Posted by: littlejohn | October 05, 2007 at 10:57 AM
LJ, I’d think you’d be exstatic. What a wonderful oportunity for your son to support Bush’s war.This is where the rubber hits the road.
You support it, let your kid fight it.
Maybe now, there will be JUSTICE!
To be fair and balanced though, the national press needs to cover this Mike Nifong story DAILY for 6 months.
Daily, those who condemned the players before there was a trial, should be interviewed to see if they have retracted their condemnation. And ask them the same questions repeatedly – “Why did you condemn these players before there was a trial?” Answer- because the Press had already tried and convicted them!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299584,00.htmlDuke Lacrosse Players File Federal Lawsuit Against Nifong, Durham, PoliceFriday, October 05, 2007
GREENSBORO, N.C. — Three former Duke lacrosse players falsely accused of rape filed a federal lawsuit Friday against disgraced prosecutor Mike Nifong, the city of Durham and the police detectives who handled the investigation.
am not in the best of humor. My son will be arriving in Bagdad next week.
Posted by: littlejohn | October 05, 2007 at 10:57 AM
LJ, I’d think you’d be exstatic. What a wonderful oportunity for your son to support Bush’s war.This is where the rubber hits the road.
You support it, let your kid fight it.
Posted by: | October 05, 2007 at 11:38 AM
WHoever the f#ck you are, if you knew anything about me, you’d know I was agains the invasion of Iraq to start with, and have not wavered from that position. I have stated that position many times on this blog. SO, why don;t you just shut the hell up unless you know what you are talking about.
When it’s NOT PC for your political party to wear the flag pin, then it’s time to either start wearing a Commie Pin, or change your political party.
This should nail the coffin in Obama’s campaign – and annoit Hillary as the Dem Prez candidate:
Candidates Have Their Say on Obama’s Decision Not to Wear Flag PinFriday, October 05, 2007
By Melissa Underwood
Barack ObamaBarack Obama may choose not to wear an American flag pin on his lapel, but many of the presidential contender’s political rivals say they wouldn’t leave home without one.
VIDEO: Barack Obama Decides Not to Continue Wearing a Flag Pin on His Lapel
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299578,00.html
littlejohn,
Too bad the Lib poster had to not leave a name and took the coward’s way out.
It looks like the bevy of troll posters on the Lib side still occur and not one of the usual gang of spit droolers complain about me switching nics confess that they do it too.
Liberals, hypocrite is they name.
If enough of you Republicans loose kids in this war, maybe you’ll learn not to vote for people who start needless wars. Untill then, don’t whine when your kid comes home in a body bag.
Max,
Your flogging of this non-issue explains the title to another thread: “Public Trusts Democrats More on Key Issues.”
If enough of you Republicans loose kids in this war, maybe you’ll learn not to vote for people who start needless wars. Untill then, don’t whine when your kid comes home in a body bag.
Posted by: ***** | October 05, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Care to meet me and discuss this in a less public place? You certainly are a piece of shit, aren;t you.
And you can bet littlejohn, not one Lib will condemn that Libs act of cowardice.
Candidates Have Their Say on Obama’s Decision Not to Wear Flag PinFriday, October 05, 2007
By Melissa Underwood
Barack ObamaBarack Obama may choose not to wear an American flag pin on his lapel, but many of the presidential contender’s political rivals say they wouldn’t leave home without one.
VIDEO: Barack Obama Decides Not to Continue Wearing a Flag Pin on His Lapel
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299578,00.html
Posted by: Max | October 05, 2007 at 11:47 AM
This seems like a nonstory to me.
Sure LJ. Meet me at 6pm at Dillons. Pistols at 100 paces. Be there or be square.
I’ll Be there. I won;t have a pistol, and I will be a hell of a lot closer than 100 paces.
Let’s make that the Wal-Mart parking lot on West Kellogg. south end. 6:00 pm
I’d so much like to discuss your viewpoints on the matter
Bush says we don’t torture, move on nuthin to see here!Will our very own Pat Roberts weigh in, demanding an investigation into who leaked the info about Gonzo’s memmo.? That’s the only type investigation he’d ever shown a hankering for when he was with the SSIC. Bet he was one of those congressmen bush kept apprised of the tapping and torture programs.What say ye, Pat?http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071005/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_terrorism_29;_ylt=AouqwJZyoEACL9R38sa8v7llM3wV
Your flogging of this non-issue explains the title to another thread: “Public Trusts Democrats More on Key Issues.”
Posted by: CF2K | October 05, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Wrong!
Any candidate running of President who chooses not to display the symbol of the United States will never be elected to the office and more than likely be forever ignored as his opinion on any matter will not count.
LJ, hope your son comes home safely. Regardless of one’s viewpoint of the war anyone who says differently should be ashamed of themselves. I don’t understand how anyone can wish harm on another, politics or not. C’mon people, a little more use of golden rule wouldn’t hurt.
The little flag pin has gone the way of the magnetic ribbon.It was just more of the politicians wrapping their war in the flag.
littlejohn,
I think your remarks were pretty temperate, given the circumstances.
Wichiwoman–Thank you.
In foriegn countries its suggested to avoid wearing the stars and stripes to avoid unwanted attention.
I’ve never heard of a United States presidential contender being ashamed to wear a simple flag pin. Who knew it was a symbol of the war? I thought it just ment, I am an American and PROUD of it.
CF2K-
My remarks are probably more temparate than I feel. I guess regardless, he has a right to his opinion, and a right to state his opinion. As a father, i also have rights…….
LJ,
Your son has my admiration and thanks! You have my heartfelt empathy. Tough duty you both have for the next several months. I hope you both remain safe.
Hey you piece of shit. Just to make sure you understand correctly, it will be the south east corner of the parking lot. I will be there waiting. I would so much like to hear you opinion of my son coming home in a body bag.Better bring dinner. You are going to be there awhile.
Hey you piece of shit, I decided not to come. I’m going to send his mother.
Linda–Thank you.
Too bad the Lib poster had to not leave a name and took the coward’s way out.
Posted by: Kansas
Okay, for once we agree.
Kansas, since we signed that pledge, feel free to e-mail Philip and see if the no-name nic matches any regular poster’s IP address.
No-name nic, in the immortal words of Cartman: screw you, hippie.
Nobody — left, right, or center — wants our guys to come home in a box to prove some kind of a point.
I don’t know if the no-name troll is a left-winger who believes what he writes or a right-winger who is trying to misrepresent the position of the left, but I do know he is an assh*le forever.
LJ, our thoughts and prayers go with you and your son.
The little flag pin has gone the way of the magnetic ribbon.It was just more of the politicians wrapping their war in the flag.
Posted by: The Phantom | October 05, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Yeah The Phantom, by all means don’t show any Patriotism for your country.
Maybe Osama Obama would like to wear a blue U.N. pin or maybe one with a crescent on it?
IF anybody doesnt already know Obama is an American, then they have their heads in the sand… It could be he considers the flag pin to be somewhat of an Idol… especially the way the Right Wing and the Fundies like to wrap themselves up in it, and Salute GOD all day….
But, my guess is that he thinks that wearing the flag doesnt make you a better American, anymore than sleeping in your garage makes you a car!!
Kansas, since we signed that pledge, feel free to e-mail Philip and see if the no-name nic matches any regular poster’s IP address. Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 05, 2007 at 12:46 PM
No need. I don’t waste my time on such matters. I assume those on the list are at their word of honor. Of course, it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been deceived by one or more on that list.
They know who they are and one day they shall be caught and exposed.
Max,
Your flogging of this non-issue explains the title to another thread: “Public Trusts Democrats More on Key Issues.”
Posted by: CF2K | October 05, 2007 at 12:01 PM
If Democrats think the American Flag is a non-issue, that’s just one more reason to Not support Democrats.
And CF, tell those who are still alive today, who were on Iwo Jima if the Flag is important to them.
IF anybody doesnt already know Obama is an American, then they have their heads in the sand… It could be he considers the flag pin to be somewhat of an Idol… especially the way the Right Wing and the Fundies like to wrap themselves up in it, and Salute GOD all day….
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 12:49 PM
By all means Chas, feel no obligation to feel patriotic towards a country which includes more than this administration.
Some of us know the history of the United States and what blood, sweat and tears it took to form it and are proud to display our freedom heritage.
Perhaps a nice hammer and cicle magnet for your car Chas.
I love to watch the Liberal Socialists Democrats squirm when the try to say the Flag is not an important symbol.
Y’all might as well have a flag burning party!
It is spelled “sickle”. That sounds like a bush-mangle!
I think it’s presumptuous , if not down right stupid, to presume a US Senator is less than a good American simply because, and it’s his right, he chooses not to wear a particular piece of jewelery.
It seems that some here have a real fascination with shiny objects!
Here is another “spittle drooler” who also condemns whoever is saying that crap about LJ and his son.
It is unforgiveable.
Thanks for the Eric Cartman quote, Capn. I set a terrible example for my son by LMAO at that show. It is too much fun.
Max writes: “They’re socialists. They’re socialists. They’re socialists.”
Mix, shake, repeat over and over and over again.
Sorry, Max.
Simply repeating the same slander for any situation does not persuade thinking people, nor is it entertaining.
You lose.
But pick up your consolation prize on the way out . . .
I think it’s presumptuous , if not down right stupid, to presume a US Senator is less than a good American simply because, and it’s his right, he chooses not to wear a particular piece of jewelery.”
It says volumes about him that he doesn’t.
Thanks- you’ve proved my case very well!
“If fascism ever comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”
- Upton Sinclair -
Bush comes wrapped up in the flag… and now there are some criticizing Obama… And guess what, Bush comes carrying the cross… Hmmmmmm
What “volumes” does it speak about Obama, troll-boy?
Kansas.. we all know that your opinions on nearly everything you post meet a classic definition of Facism… one tenet of which is overtly obsessive patriotism…
I surely dont want to be identified with that sort of thing… sorry about you!!
Why do some overlook the fact that biblically the case can be made that we shouldn’t be pledging our allegiance to the flag in the first place?
I fly my flag on the appropriate holidays… and the rest of the days, I am happy to just be an American… And I love my freedom… that many in power right now want to take from me…
Kansas.. we all know that your opinions on nearly everything you post meet a classic definition of Facism… one tenet of which is overtly obsessive patriotism…
I surely dont want to be identified with that sort of thing… sorry about you!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:11 PM
Really? Since when did being a proud American and displaying its symbol indicate fascism?
Very Good Point Linda!! You are right on the money there….
Render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar…
Well, Kansas… you claim to know everything about everything… I suggest you do some reading on the nature and definitions of Facism…. NOT just Nazi Germany… FACISM!!
Why do some overlook the fact that biblically the case can be made that we shouldn’t be pledging our allegiance to the flag in the first place?
Posted by: lindainks55 | October 05, 2007 at 01:12 PM
Wow! So many anti-Americans amongst the Libs!
Well, what can you expect from the “hate and blame America First” crowd.
Many of the early Christians were executed because they would NOT make a Pledge of Allegiance to Rome. In fact, thats why Paul was forced to finally write that ALL governments were ordained by God… to keep Christians from getting themselves killed!!
Can you not READ today Kansas???=====================
I fly my flag on the appropriate holidays… and the rest of the days, I am happy to just be an American… And I love my freedom… that many in power right now want to take from me…
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:14 PM
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Now, do you want to retract what you said about Anti-American???
Well, Kansas… you claim to know everything about everything… I suggest you do some reading on the nature and definitions of Facism…. NOT just Nazi Germany… FACISM!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:15 PM
I already have Chas. I took German History in Germany. How about you?
So Chas, you are saying that the United States is a facist country.
I suggest Chas that you are yellow bellied socialist who wishes to tear down the fabric of what made our country great.
It’s true, Kansas. If you’re Christian you’re not supposed to have allegience to anything but God, no idol worship….and Gods people don’t end where our borders do. Right?
Well, ain’t this special? Why are homosexuals allowed to adopt?????
Tuesday, October 02, 2007Folsom Fair–Your Children Will Thank You
This was first brought to my attention by the Neo Con at the Halls of Macadamia. Remember the Folsom Fair (fetish fair) I posted about last week? Seems everything is running along smoothly there, as you can see in the picture:Two-year-olds Zola and Veronica Kruschel waddled through Folsom Street Fair amidst strangers in fishnets and leather crotch pouches, semi and fully nude men.
The twin girls who were also dressed for the event wore identical lace blouses, floral bonnets and black leather collars purchased from a pet store.
Fathers Gary Beuschel and John Kruse watched over them closely. They were proud to show the twins off.
“They will see more than the kids with moms and dads in Iowa,” said Beuschel, who wanted to expose his children to San Francisco?s diverse community. “Every parent has to decide for themselves what is right for them. And I respect that. And we decided that this is right for our children.”
Beuschel and his girls were at the 22nd Folsom Street Fair, an annual leather event in San Francisco?s South of Market district, which showcased outrageous costumes, fetish attire, and a community obsessed with bondage, whipping, and spanking.
“Why do (these people) bring kids here? This is a leather fair for god’s sake,” said Bahran Aliassa, who was masturbating in public. He has been doing it annually for the past six years.
Oakland resident Veronica Charles, 36, was with a baby stroller and said her son was too young to understand. “I don’t think I’ll bring him here when he is 6,” Charles said.Hey, stop judging these fine, upstanding parents. They have every right to dress their children in dog collars and parade them around a fetish fair, it’s America, it’s their right. And to bring credibility to the event, Miller-Lite sponsors it, so, they must agree with what the Folsom Fair stands for, right? Right.
However, I wouldn’t try bringing your babies to a stripper bar. Seems child services doesn’t approve of that. I don’t see why though, it’s only nudity…kind of like the Folsom Fair.posted by The Mayor at 6:45 PM
http://mitchieville.blogspot.com/2007/10/folsom-fair-your-children-will-thank.html
Kansas… Facist history includes a LOT more than German history… Like I said before READ about it… and not just Nazi Germany!!
My, you ARE having problems reading today!!
Chas, don’t waste your time interecting with the troll. Fascists don’t understand true democracy and therefore make every attempt to paint those who don’t agree with them as “un-patriotic”?
No Kansas… What I AM saying, is that if we dont take our country back, we are on the VERGE of becoming a Facist State!!
And we seem to be getting closer by every passing month!!
Right on Blaidd… That is EXCACTLY what is happening… Talk Radio… Rumsfeld and Cheney speeches classifying those who disagree on the War as UnAmerican… Just like Goebbels did in Germany… Propaganda machines…
It’s true, Kansas. If you’re Christian you’re not supposed to have allegience to anything but God, no idol worship….and Gods people don’t end where our borders do. Right?
Posted by: political_mom | October 05, 2007 at 01:20 PM
Absolutely wrong PMom.
The Bible addresses worshipping false gods and etc.
There is nothing in there about pledging an allegiance.
The “render unto Caesar” entry has to do with paying the taxes of the country that you are in. (who’s on the Roman Coin question – Caesar) Thusly, render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. His coin, his tax, give it back to him.
Cheney’s insistence that there are WMD in Iraq, and that we WILL find them… I guess if we stay there long enough, our troops could HIDE enough, and then dig them up… LOL Probably they will all come out of the sand nice and shiny!! Just like new!!
No Kansas… What I AM saying, is that if we dont take our country back, we are on the VERGE of becoming a Facist State!!
And we seem to be getting closer by every passing month!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:22 PM
Only in your mind and minds of your ilk has the country been “lost” to get back.
Another example of “the sky is falling” thinking.
You make lots of noise about how American and how Christian you are, Kansas. Your noise doesn’t make me anti-American. Even if you think you are that powerful, you simply aren’t.
I know how to separate symbols and I have a good understanding of what I should be pledging my allegiance to and how.
I don’t believe the words “Under God” ever belonged in the pledge of allegiance to my beloved country. I remember well when I had to relearn the pledge of allegiance to add those words. The pledge is an affirmation of loyalty to the United States, not to God. The founders of my country fought a war to gain freedom from oppression of all kinds. This country was founded on the premise that everyone has many freedoms, including the freedom to worship as they choose.
What if God looks at us and thinks what a shame… they had a great start, they were given the best of everything. It’s not enough, they want more, and this greed will be their ultimate self-destruct.
What if he doesn’t WANT His name on our money and in our national pledge? What if that isn’t even the point? What if that’s not what he meant at all by being worshipped?
What if HE thinks the “greatest nation in the world” is Sodom and Gomorrah gone wild? What if he uses a different yardstick to measure “greatness’ than we do?
I don’t like it when people say we have to leave the word God in a pledge or on a building because it’s what makes us great, and without it we will all fall down. His name is not a freakin lucky rabbit’s foot!! He knows what’s in hearts and souls. And if we put His name all over the place like some talisman, he likens it to the empty clanging of a bell.
Kinda like the emptiness of the noise you make, Kansas.
NO Kansas… YOU are totally wrong…. You are just using a widely held Fundamentalist argument on the taxation… See, in the Roman Empire, paying taxes to Caesar also included burning incense to the Emperor… Because the Emperor was considered a GOD….
Gotcha!!
Blaidd_Drwg is another poster that mysteriously showed up the same time the Fisters fled to the Wichita Voice.
Ignore him, he’s another regular Lib poster using yet another nic and trolling.
“NO Kansas… YOU are totally wrong…. You are just using a widely held Fundamentalist argument on the taxation… See, in the Roman Empire, paying taxes to Caesar also included burning incense to the Emperor… Because the Emperor was considered a GOD….”
Gotcha!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:27 PM
Totally incorrect Chas.
Besides, who would believe a hypocrite like you that lies about being a Christian Minister who never goes to church. You are always posting here seven days a week and during those hours one would expect a Christian and a Minister to be in church.
You’re just a scam artist and a liar.
You are RIGHT Linda… “Under God” was added sometime in the late 50’s cause I was in school when we had to RE-LEARN it… It came from some Gung Ho guy in Arkansas, who got a bunch of people hyped on the Wartime aftermath of anti Japanese and anti Soviet propaganda… and a touch of McCarthyism, to get legislation passed to change the Pledge… AND, the pledge isnt actually a part of any National Documents…
Same thing with “In God We Trust” on our money… That certainly wasnt a concept thought up by the framers of the Constitution…
A simple Google search can provide the history on both of those adopted phrases…
But — Kansas doesnt want to READ today!!
chas: So Christ was saying in effect; go ahead and burn incense and worship Ceasar? Nonsense!
Chas,
Get a clue – we are talking about wearing the symbol of our country, not the pledge of Allegiance with God in there.
No wonder you make confused posts all the time, you have no focus at all.
Besides, who would believe a hypocrite like you that lies about being a Christian Minister who never goes to church. You are always posting here seven days a week and during those hours one would expect a Christian and a Minister to be in church.
You’re just a scam artist and a liar.
Posted by: Kansas | October 05, 2007 at 01:31 PM
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SO Facist of you Kansas… When you cant attack what is posted, because you know it’s absolutely right… you go after the poster with your ignorant LIES!!
Kansas is a TOTAL Hypocritical LIAR!!! Good thing you dont know my REAL name, because what you just typed is defamation of character…
And I suppose that is real American and REAL Christian of YOU???
Furthermore, YOU dont know where I attend services…. So, how can YOU possibly make any statement at all about when or where I attend worship services???
And who says attending worship services makes anybody a Christian??? Where does the Bible ever require attendance at Worship services to be a Christian??? Can you find it???
NO you cant!!! It doesnt exist… SO, STOP YOUR LYING KANSAS!!! Thats all you are good for LIES LIES OLIES!!!
Outlander, that is the stupidest thing you have said so far… Of course thats not what it means… It means give Caesar his due… And burn the incense to Caesar, because Caesar is NOT GOD!! THAT is what Jesus is saying, you idiot!!! Stop trying to twist words to what YOU want them to say!!
And, Kansas, YOU were the one who questioned Obgama’s allegiance to the country by NOT wearing a flag pin…. YOU brought up allegiance… So, just SHUT UP, and stop trying to twist the argument that YOU started!! Dumbkopf!!
Let me help you out Chas.
“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” (Hebrews 10:25)
Thank you Chas for proving my point. You never have nor will you ever been a Christian Minister or even a Christian. Post after post you make provides all the proof one needs.
You are one of the most anti-Christian posters on this blog as a matter of fact.
You read more like someone who has taken a religious studies class and then posts tripe about what he knows.
It’s a good thing no one knows your real name Chas or you would be shunned from your (cough) congregation as a corrupting influence.
Come to think of it, Kansas… either YOU or somebody else wondered why I wasnt in Church Sunday at what some folks see as “church time” (whatever that means) And my response then was… SORRY, been there done that alrady!! AGain, YOU dont know where, or what time I attend services…
ALSO… many different congregations offer Sat. nite serivces now days as well!!
Keep yapping Chas, the high priest of Paganism of the WE Blog.
Outlander… sorry…. your reference is NOT a requiement to attend worship services…
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/open-thread-1-4.html#comment-85311694
I just said that there IS no requirement to attend worship services…. Cant YOU read either???
Kansas youre just digging yourself in to a deeper hole all the time… Your LIES prove what you are… I am DEFENDING my faith, and YOU sir, are attacking me for it!! Shows what kind of Facist you really are!! When are you getting out your personal Swastika???
Kansas, you sound just like Nathan… because MY beliefs are not YOUR beliefs, that is supposed to make YOUR beliefs right, and mine wrong…
Yep… thats definitely a Facist trait for sure!!
Yeah Chas, being a Pagan such as you are you don’t have to tithe do you.
You can afford more beer and smokes that way. That about it? :)
Swastika? I thought you said fascism doesn’t only have to do with Germany?
Are you limited in your knowledge of the term Chas?
Just like your limited attendance in Church and pretending to be a Christian Minister.
A fraud and a scam artist is what you are.
More LIES Kansas… More LIES out of the great Kansas… Sorry dued… the Swastika is also recognized by AMERICAN Facists as well as Nazis!!
Such a shame you dont know how to read anything that doesnt agree with you…
You call me Pagan becaues I dont share your narrow minded Fundamentalist beliefs… That proves how good of an American YOU are… You know… Freedom of Religion??? That little thing called the First Amendment??
If the Pagan shoe fits Chas, wear it.
I see a perfect fit for you. Each posts you make confirms what I write that you are a true Pagan.
Well, I would love for you to tell that to my Denomination executives… Because I follow our denomination beliefs and pronouncements straight down the line… And YOU dont even know what denomination I am!!
But YOU have decided that what I post here makes me a Pagan… YOU ARE ONE HUGE DISABLED VETERAN LIAR!!!
And when I say HUGE… I mean that your HEAD is way over sized for your body!!
Nice come back Chas, for a Pagan.
Too bad you don’t have any convictions to turn the other cheek.
Guess that just confirms that you are indeed a Pagan. A disciple of Satan from which all Christians and non-Christians should turn their backs on as an inherently evil person.
You know, YOU Kansas can sit there and post time after time that I am a fraud and scam artist… and then you can sit there and post how many courses you have taken and in all of those various subject areas…
BUt If I disagree with YOU you seem to think you have the right to challenge MY educational background???
Well, I got news for YOU… I dont think YOU have ever taken half of the courses you CLAIM to have taken… If you would have, you would not be so totally DUMB and STUPID as you are on this Blog!!
Nuff said… Say what you want… its all LIES anyway…
Now I walk on by!!
I know one thing, Kansas… I know who I am, and what I believe… And I know I love my country… and as long as I can do anything about it, I am not going to let it get turned over to a bunch of Facist Pigs like YOU and your kind!!
And there are more of US around than there are of YOU FACIST PIGS!!!
Many of the early Christians were executed because they would NOT make a Pledge of Allegiance to Rome. In fact, thats why Paul was forced to finally write that ALL governments were ordained by God… to keep Christians from getting themselves killed!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:17 PM
I thought those early Christians who executed because they supported abortion?
Questions about any of the courses I had mentioned Chas? Do a question and answer session, I’ll answer them.
Oh wait, you haven’t had any of those course, so you wouldn’t know what to ask. :)
Have yourself a nice Pagan day Chas.
It’s true, Kansas. If you’re Christian you’re not supposed to have allegience to anything but God, no idol worship….and Gods people don’t end where our borders do. Right?
Posted by: political_mom | October 05, 2007 at 01:20 PM
Another bible thumping Lib. Even Hillary becomes religious when it suits her purpose.
No Kansas… What I AM saying, is that if we dont take our country back, we are on the VERGE of becoming a Facist State!!
And we seem to be getting closer by every passing month!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:22 PM
Only in your mind and minds of your ilk has the country been “lost” to get back.
Another example of “the sky is falling” thinking.
Posted by: Kansas | October 05, 2007 at 01:26 PM
Kansas, Chas means that the Socialists have to take the country back. What else could he possibly mean by that?
Christian Minister below? Phony?
NO Kansas… YOU are totally wrong…. You are just using a widely held Fundamentalist argument on the taxation… See, in the Roman Empire, paying taxes to Caesar also included burning incense to the Emperor… Because the Emperor was considered a GOD….
Gotcha!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:27 PM
I know one thing, Kansas… I know who I am, and what I believe… And I know I love my country… and as long as I can do anything about it, I am not going to let it get turned over to a bunch of Facist Pigs like YOU and your kind!!
-Chas
“If fascism ever comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”
- Upton Sinclair –Chas
It sounds like you and Obama need a new flag since the stars and stripes evidently now belong to the facists.
KANSAS,
Do you know any persons and/or groups that have better plans for reducing oil use than Amory Lovins and RMI? If so, name them.
Do you believe that reducing oil use is not important?
And who says attending worship services makes anybody a Christian??? Where does the Bible ever require attendance at Worship services to be a Christian??? Can you find it???
NO you cant!!! It doesnt exist… SO, STOP YOUR LYING KANSAS!!! Thats all you are good for LIES LIES OLIES!!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 01:37 PM
Attending worship services doesn’t make you a Christian. Blog writing does.
I bet you won’t catch Obama ordering ‘Freedom Frie’ either! Damn terrorist sypathizers!
You are one of the most anti-Christian posters on this blog as a matter of fact.
You read more like someone who has taken a religious studies class and then posts tripe about what he knows.
It’s a good thing no one knows your real name Chas or you would be shunned from your (cough) congregation as a corrupting influence.
Posted by: Kansas | October 05, 2007 at 01:41 PM
Satan is the great deceiver. The worst ones pretend to be Christians, get you to trust them, then they start teaching their satanic ways.
Apparently, those revolting Republicans aren;t the only ones low enough to use 9/11 for their campaigns.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/hillary_ground_zero_ad/2007/10/05/38492.html?s=al&promo_code=3AF1-1
Where did the Church Lady go?
It clearly shows how leftist ideology is always met with failure. Even as they try to recreate themselves a number of times, it still ends up failing. Gives you a good insight of the leftist who have hijack the Democratic Party and now are controlling them.
The hippie culture was about music, sex and drugs. It had no left or right connotation whatsoever. Joe Williams; you’re an idiot, and your grammar is bad.
Reducing oil use will happen when the high prices start hitting consumers where it hurts the most, their wallets.
This will happen as the simple economic and geologic realities of rocketing demand and diminishing supply start hitting the markets (it has all ready started). People here in America need to be informed that their way of life has to change because it is simply economically unsustainable for decades and centuries to come. there is no renewable energy that provides the energy content that oil provides for transportation.
Or you can start puffing a bunch of green smoke and get people to permit the government to lay down carbon taxes on oil and all fossil fuels which will only expedite the ensuing price hike with little benefit to the environment. That seems trendy right now, and many politicians are gullible (or savvy) enough to go for it. Promoting a “green” image when you don’t do anything more than produce endless cliches such as “weaning ourselves off of foreign oil” gets a few votes per speech.
Kansas… what makes you think I would believe what you say about the courses you took, just because you say it??? Anybody can read out of a college catalog, or from a course syllabus…
The only thing that Amory Lovins has contributed is the hot air bragging about his house tucked away in the Rockies. Which of course, all of the materials for his house was built using (SHOCK) by industries using petroleum products.
Lovins hasn’t delivered anything concrete to the world that is affordable or practicable. Talk is cheap.
Kansas… what makes you think I would believe what you say about the courses you took, just because you say it??? Anybody can read out of a college catalog, or from a course syllabus…
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 02:28 PM
You don’t have to believe anything Chas and evidently you don’t.
There are actually people in the world that take science, history, philosophy, sociology and other types of course.
It’s not my fault you haven’t taken the opportunity to do so.
Have you seen Lovins’ house?? Can you PROVE what you say about it??? Do you have even links or pictures??? How would you know what materials the house is made of??? All fair questions Kansas… otherwise, without proof of what you say, it is more Facist air hacking!!
Who is Obgama?
Then in that case, Kansas, I will call YOU a fraud and a scam artist… And I am not even sure about your claim to be a disabled veteran, come to think of it… Why should we believe you??? You dont accept what anybody else says as factual about themselves?? Why should anybody believe what YOU say??
This Church Lady is a glutton for punishment!
She is melting!
Hey sock puppet Damian… Can you say “typo”??? Idiot!!
Have you seen Lovins’ house?? Can you PROVE what you say about it??? Do you have even links or pictures??? How would you know what materials the house is made of??? All fair questions Kansas… otherwise, without proof of what you say, it is more Facist air hacking!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 02:31 PM
freon foamwindows (glass) with an insulating sheet of Mylarsensors are activated (electronics)toilets,showerheadsrefrigeratorfansfluorescent lightsmasonry, brickinsulated materials
Where did he get all these materials? From an Alien spacecraft?
Chas is having a meltdown.
Gee, Kansas, that doesnt look like proof to me… You just make that up??? Looks like it!!
Gee, Kansas, that doesnt look like proof to me… You just make that up??? Looks like it!!
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 02:40 PM
Yeah, it was real hard to find Chas.I typed Lovin’s House into google and got the following PDF.
It was a real brain buster to find information on that house Chas.
“http://www.architecture.uwaterloo.ca/faculty_projects/terri/pdf/Beltrano.pdf“
Isnt that intereting… Kansas attempts to condemn a building that is 90+% energy efficient!! AND, the builders readily acknowledge that SOME of the materials used in the original construction would now be considered not a good item, but at the time of construction, such information was unknown…
My goodness… and for all of that Kansas can see fit to CONDEMN the structure???
How Facist!!! It doesnt support all of the Big Money corporations that the current government wants to protect!! Mercy sakes!!
Well, I’m outta here for now… You all have a good evening now!!
Bye Church Lady!
Kansas,
Thank you for posting more of your hate-filled lies.
Lovins and his group do consulting for utilities and corporations, and have many examples proving that their ideas work.
He was recently awarded the Volvo Environment, and Blue Planet prizes.
Mark Hiller, 30, and Jeff Montague, 53, were arrested for solicitation of sodomy late Wednesday night in Topeka’s Gage Park, a notorious “glory hole” for sodomites seeking perversion anonymously and frequently.- – -
In response to complaints, an undercover police investigation into public sodomy in public parks in Johnson City, TN resulted in the arrest of 40 men. The suspects from Tennessee, Virginia and North Carolina ranged in age from 26 to 85.- – -
41 dangerous perverts, age 14 to 71, were arrested in New Jersey for possession and distribution of child porn, including depictions of the industrialized rape of children.
He was recently awarded the Volvo Environment, and Blue Planet prizes.
Posted by: cosmos | October 05, 2007 at 03:07 PM
Yeah, he’s good at collecting prizes and tooting his own horn.
Kind of like the GORACLE.
However, he has yet to deliver on anything.
Blaidd_Drwg is another poster that mysteriously showed up the same time the Fisters fled to the Wichita Voice.
Ignore him, he’s another regular Lib poster using yet another nic and trolling.
Posted by: Kansas | October 05, 2007 at 01:29 PM
Do you have any proof of this accusation troll-boy?
I thought NOT!
Hey parkay, does this make Republican Senator Craig a “sodomite” too?
And thanks for the link Kansas,
http://www.architecture.uwaterloo.ca/faculty_projects/terri/pdf/Beltrano.pdf“Lovins house/ Rocky Mountain Institute is an example of successful sustainable building, far beyond many of its time.
To overcome certain transportation issues (saving both time and energy), as well as for esthetic reasons, local materials such as sandstone from the nearby hills were used.
ultra-low-flush toilets, water saving showerheads and taps, all of which save both water and energy.
a high efficiency refrigerator, (using 5-7% as much electricity than the standard)
replaced the hum of a traditional furnace with the trickling sounds from the greenhouse waterfall.
Although some materials and practices have been improved since the time of its construction in the early 1980s, its fair to say that despite certain details, the building is an excellent example of sustainable architecture.”
No problem cosmos.
It’s shows an experimental house built in the 1980s which is extremely expensive, built by a wealth scientist.
It is a white elephant in the land of reality.
I to denounce the nasty shot taken at littlejohn re: his son’s deployment. That is way outta line.
But I would guess that the source of those messages was not a liberal. Everybody knows who the multi nic trouble maker here is. I’d say he is your culprit.
“Yeah, he’s good at collecting prizes and tooting his own horn.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 05, 2007 at 03:13 PM
Actually, it’s the groups awarding the prizes that are “tooting his horn”. Along with the corporations that hire them to do consulting.
Their building cost slightly below the average for custom buildings that size, in that area, in 1984.
The energy saving features only cost about $6,000 — but save about $2,000 per year.
And costs of energy saving features have dropped since 1984.
Kansas seems to be jealous of RMI’s success. Jealous, bitter, and hate-filled?
“Jealous, bitter, and hate-filled?”
This DOES describe the troll-boy, Kansas.
SOB,
Why should anyone waste time with stupid people who cannot understand the difference between the word “if”, and the specific time “the end of the 21st century (2090–2099)”?
Kansas seems to be jealous of RMI’s success. Jealous, bitter, and hate-filled?
Posted by: cosmos | October 05, 2007 at 03:44 PM
Under what brand can these enormous RMI success stories be purchased?
Can I go down to my local hardware store and buy said things?
Or is it still stuck in some “living lab” like a cactus in a botanical garden.
RMI doesn’t deliver anything but cash to its coffers. It’s a perfect example of “do nothing” but “say everything” environmental activism.
It’s about as useful as teats on a boar.
Hey you little piece of shit upstream> having heard from you in awhile. Guess You’ll not be in the parking lot. That’s okay. I have better things to do. Like prepare for my son’s unexpected visit before his deployment. So, breathe a little easier.
Thanks for those who condemmed the little sob, or gave encouragement to me and my son. I am not happy, but I am accepting.Peace.
lj, with my best wishes to your son and you to get through the deployment to Baghdad and a safe return for all.
VT — how far back can a company go to attempt to collect a debt??
“It’s shows an experimental house built in the 1980s which is extremely expensive, built by a wealth scientist.”
Do “weatlh scientists” study rich people? Just wondering…
Well, Chas., in response to your question, I’m going to give some general rules applicable to Kansas only. Other states have different rules.
For what are known as “open account” debts, that is, not based upon a written contract, the statute of limitations is three years from default; be aware that if payments were made, the three years begins to run from the date of the last payment.
For obligations involving written contracts, etc., the statute of limitations is five years from default; same caveats.
As mentioned above, this is general information based upon Kansas law, and is not offered as specific legal advice. If you have any questions, you should consult with an attorney.
Kansas,
Let’s see your proof that they don’t “deliver anything but cash to its coffers”.
You are saying, for example, that all these utilites and corporations were conned into paying for something with zero value.http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid79.php
You are saying that this book is worthless. http://www.natcap.org
Parkay, you do realize that prostitutes have illegal public sex all the time too? I guess since that’s hetero sex, that’s not quite so bad. What do you want to bet the ratio of gay sex arrests are WAY less than prostitution arrests?
And why are you trying to LINK pedophiles in with gay sex? Obviously your sources come from at least three different places, but we would’nt know that because YOU REFUSE TO CITE YOUR SOURCES.
As far as I’m concerned, you make up everything you post.
Oh wait, I know..because the last time you cited your sources I showed how incredibly ridiculous they were.
You are saying, for example, that all these utilites and corporations were conned into paying for something with zero value. Posted by: cosmos | October 05, 2007 at 04:45 PM
Yeah, in the same way Jesse Jackson blackmailed corporations for funds for his Rainbow Coalition.
Let’s do our part to reduce medical insurance costs for everyone.
Stop typing, put down the twinkie, get off your fat butt and walk to the front door. Start walking and don’t come back for an hour.
America, we are doing it to ourselves. Obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, can all be reduced or eliminated with proper diet and exercise. If you are feeding your kids a lot of sugary stuff and letting them sit in front of the TV, it is child abuse! You should be arrested because you are complicit in robbing them of their health and taking years off their life.
I was called a bible thumper. Now that’s the funniest damn thing I’ve heard in quite a while.
Outlander, you like Orwell do ya?
No thanks, I don’t like others dictating to me what I should do or how I should live. If you want the little box in your house telling you when to exercise, go for it.
By the way, I had a nephew who ate only sugary stuff and sat in front of the tv/video games. He is so skinny you can see the bones in his back and arms.
VT — how far back can a company go to attempt to collect a debt??
Posted by: Chas. | October 05, 2007 at 04:16 PM
Need to pass that collection plate around a few more times Chas.
That’s OK, render all money to Caesar, so that you will be able to pass thru the eye of the needle. You are better off being poor, and no need to steal money from those who earn more then you, which includes just about everybody older then age 12 or so.
You might want to get caller ID on your phone and do NOT answer your door to strangers, especially if they are holding some legal document.
Oh political mom, I’m so happy you are back!
Martha hi, did you get that beer but chicken recipie I sent you?
Oh yes MM I did get the beer butt recipie. Couldn’t find that tool you told me about.
I just used a Coors Light beer can instead. Seemed to work ok.
Added a few cloves of garlic to the beer in the can too. Won’t have vampires for a long time now!
Tasted great! Like chicken! Ha ha.
Martha, go to Super Walmart, they have that stand for the chicken. You put the beer can in the middle of the stand, and the stand does a better job of keeping the chicken sitting up straight.
Minnie, call me sometime. I was so sorry to hear about your cat Muffin.
I gotta go now though and get dinner! Be home later.
“”When it’s NOT PC for your political party to wear the flag pin, then it’s time to either start wearing a Commie Pin, or change your political party.”
Did someone really bring this here as a serious issue? Shall we mandate wearing of American flag pins (made in China) by every man woman and child? Hey why stop there! Make evcryone fly a flag in front of their house and on their car.
sounds like facism to me JR
Kansas,
It probably annoys you that your lies can’t change the fact that RMI is a very knowledgable and highly respected energy and resources group.
Too bad… get used to it.
Kansas,
It probably annoys you that your lies can’t change the fact that RMI is a very knowledgable and highly respected energy and resources group.
Too bad… get used to it.
Posted by: cosmos | October 05, 2007 at 05:53 PM
Doesn’t bother me at all, they are a non-factor.
“Doesn’t bother me at all, they are a non-factor.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 05, 2007 at 05:55 PM
The Pentagon, WalMart, Boeing, auto-makers, many other corporations, and utilities don’t think they’re a “non-factor”.
George P. Shultz, Robert C. McFarlane, R. James Woolsey, Sir Mark Moody-Stuart, and many others don’t think they’re a “non-factor”.
The company that formed from Hypercar, http://www.fiberforge.com/ doesn’t think they’re a “non-factor”.
The American Institute of Architects awarded them, and said they are a “think-and-do” tank.
It seems that just an anonymous old guy, who posts lies on a blog, thinks they’re a “non-factor”.
“think-and-do” tank”
Yeah, tank is about right. One big funnel on the top, to suck in all that naive corporate money for what?
Some documents and perhaps a fake clear conscious they saved a snail darter or something.
“”"”Say what you want about the hippies, but I loved that era because the people I knew were real and into trusting and helping each other..plus we had the greatest music ever.I miss the 60’s!!!!”"”"
You have to be kidding! People in the 1960s were a bunch of selfish slimeball scum. And the hippies were the worst of the bunch of them. They gave us really great things like a drug epidemic, VD epidemic, unwed birth epidemic, Charles Manson and God only knows what else. They hurt the very causes the phony asses pretended to care about including civil rights and ending the war. Their antics in Chicago in 1968 lost the Democrats the White House for a generation and gave us Nixon. And the only reason they “opposed” the war was because they didn’t want to take their privledged white asses over there and get shot. If it wasn’t for the draft, do you REALLY think these people would have gave a shite about poor white, black and Mexican kids getting killed in Nam? Do they now in Iraq?? The answer is no! And being from a family on both sides of that fence, I remember all to well what that decade was like. In fact I could write a book called “The 1960s Through The Eyes of a 10 Year Old. I was on military bases and saw the sacrifices and tears of families being separated by a war. I recall being in tears when my uncle Bud- one of the few men in my family worthy of being looked up to- was being shipped out and me thinking I would never see him again. I was at Woodstock too which is the most overblown overhyped event of our time. It was not a “cultural event”. Seen through the eyes of a 10 year old, it was a big hot traffic jam and alot of wierd self righteous assholes. And the place smelled like a dump. I could not wait for it to be over. I still remember the night Dr Martin Luther King got killed like it was yesterday. The music was good but other than that there is NOTHING in the 1960s I want any part of.
“”"I love to watch the Liberal Socialists Democrats squirm when the try to say the Flag is not an important symbol.
Y’all might as well have a flag burning party!”"”
The flag is an important symbol but it is a SYMBOL. When the flag goes up, I salute. I stand for the pledge and the anthem. The flag that draped the casket of my father when he was buried at Arlington is displayed in my home. I fly it from Easter to Thanksgiving and I have always respected the flag both in and out of the service. Anybody who burns it or defiles it is an asshole and I want nothing to do with them whatever. But in our country, it is your right to express your view even if you are tasteless and a slimeball for doing so and I will not support anything that is a threat to your right to be that. A threat to your rights is a threat to all of our rights. So if you want to burn flags or dress up in stupid ass white robes and march through the streets shouting “hiel Hitler”, I will tolerate you. But if you ever step foot on my property or touch a member of my family or attempt to defile MY flag, I have a Glock waiting on you and once I start shooting I don’t stop until the magazine is empty. I am a LIBERAL but I am not a pacifist.
Kev, it is illegal to shoot to defend your property.
I’m actually starting to like you Kev.
The flag needs to be respected but I too get annoyed when politicians on either side start using it to make points.
Good post.
Hank
“Yeah, tank is about right. One big funnel on the top, to suck in all that naive corporate money for what?”
Posted by: Kansas | October 05, 2007 at 06:38 PM
Reducing energy use, which reduces greenhouse gases, saves money, and increases profits for businesses.
And their side company is trying to reduce the costs of composites, to help make it possible to sharply cut oil usage.http://www.fiberforge.com/PAGES/DETAIL_PAGES/inthenews.html
“”"It’s true, Kansas. If you’re Christian you’re not supposed to have allegience to anything but God, no idol worship….and Gods people don’t end where our borders do. Right?”"”"
That is not what that means. What it means is that you are not to have any other Gods before you. You are not putting a flag as a God by pledging alligence to it. All you are saying is that you “pledge alligence to the flag of the United States of America and for the nation for which it stands”. You are not saying that you put the flag or even your country above you God. You are just saying that your first alligence among all nations and flags is to that of the United States.
Well that’s your opinion Kev. My opinion is that God would find all this loyalty to an invisible line in the ground petty in the big scheme of things.
You’re supposed to be loyal to ALL of God’s people and things.
From a biblical viewpoint, anyway.
“”"Kev, it is illegal to shoot to defend your property.”"”
You don’t live in Georgia. I do. You do NOT have to wait for them to get all the way in here. And if you feel any threat we are a shoot first and ask questions later state. When somebody trespasses on my property I feel a threat and in this state you are not required to cower in your home or try to avoid confrontation.
” Defense of habitation; (here habitation means dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business) A person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:
A person is breaking\has broken into your home in a violent and tumultuous manner, and you think that the intruder is going to assault you or someone else living there.
A person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters the residence and you know it is an unlawful entry.
The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony.
(16-3-23)”AND”If you have determined you need to use lethal force (as stated in one of the underlined “Defense” sections immediatly above) you do not have to try to retreat before using that force. If your defense is valid, you are immune from criminal procecution (unless it is illegal to carry that weapon where you used it) and civil liability actions.(16-3-23.1, 16-3-24.2, 51-11-9)”
Shooting someone for stealing your flag, would not constitute lethal force in ANY state.
Hey P-mom,
As of July 1st this year, Kev is right. If you break into my house I can shoot you. Probably wouldn’t, but I can.
If you are breaking into my car and I can see you from the house, I can’t. If I’m n the car with my wife and family and you try to break in I can.
Hank
I wonder if we thought we needed a pledge of alligence because we are/were a nation of immigrants.
The guys who wrote this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Microtrends-Forces-Behind-Tomorrows-Changes/dp/0446580961
contend that we are no longer a “melting pot”, but instead a mosaic with ever more clearly defined borders. I have yet to read the book, but heard the authors on NPR describe it. These are the same people who came up with the “soccer moms” construct. They currently work for Hillary Clinton.
I don’t know how the Clinton’s manage to do it, but they seem able to get smart people to work for them.
If you were stealing it out of my house, I can.
Hank
I miss the 60’s!!!!Posted by: Mary Caruso
The sixties was a good trip. I don’t remember half of it, and the half I do remember is a haze, but it was wild baby wild. I think I saw you at a few concerts. Up front with the freaks. Sitting on some guys shoulders exposing yourself to the American Band.
Kings of the Party, Mary!!!
Actually I don’t think sitting on top of a guy’s shoulders and exposing oneself to the band became hip until the 80’s. In the 60’s we just danced naked!Kev, I’m envious that you got to go to Woodstock…I was madder than hell at my parents becasue they wouldn’t let me go….Say what you want about the 60’s, but I remember it as a time when people challenged the powers that be, stood up for what was right, and weren’t afraid to care about others or be themsleves..a person could actually walk down the street or even hitchhike and not have to worry about getting raped or killed..sure there were some weirdos, but what generation hasn’t had them? Young people in general weren’t nearly as selfish and materialistic as young people today..and we were more responsible, too. Most of us had way too much pride to live in our parent’s basement as adults, and we left home right after we graduated from high school.I miss the 60’s…being unmaterialistic, thinking outside of the box, questioning authority, fighting for what’s right, trusting and caring about others…our country will never be like that again.
That makes you a REAL man doesn’t it Hank the neanderthal.
Having the right to shoot someone REALLY advances our civilization, yea right.
Hank, you and all of your kind are friggin’ idiots!
I always thought the pledge of Allegiance is dumb. Making little kids stand up and say a bunch of words most of which they have no idea the meaning of. And have you ever heard kids saying the pledge? They just mechanically drone through it. Too, as minors cannot legally sign a contract, it is not quite right to have them swear an oath. Since 911, it’s been really misused too. What I go to my kids school program and before it can begin we all have to reaffirm the oath? Dunb. And the people who demand to do the “under god” bit extra loud is just silly.
So Hanky, what is YOUR take on the “pledge of allegiance”? Should we shoot anyone who chooses not to recite it?
HA! Richard Roberts (son of Oral Roberts) got caught with his hand in the church cookie jar!Seems he had his house remodeled 11 times in 13 years at church expense, his wife spent $39,000 in one year at a fancy clothing store and charged it to the church..they also used the church jet for trips to the islands.I’m sure Jesus would have approved!! I remember when the elder Roberts proclaimed a 900 foot Jesus appeared before him and told him He was going to “take Roberts home” if people didn’t donate all this money to his church. Is there such a thing as a rich and powerful Christian who isn’t a liar, cheat, or hypocrite?
The only one I can think of is Billy Graham.
I remember that 900 foot Jesus bit.
I always wondered about that. How did he know it was 900 feet? Was Jesus holding a tape measure? Did Roberts do some quick trigonometry? And unless he was at a distance, you wouldn’t even know what suddenly appeared. All you’d see is a big toe.
“”"Kev, I’m envious that you got to go to Woodstock…I was madder than hell at my parents becasue they wouldn’t let me go….”"”
My folks were well divorced and remarried by 1969. And no, my mother would not have said yes had she known what it really was but it was called something like “The Woodstock Music and Arts Fair” which sounded quite innocent so when my older step sis said she wanted to go there with 2 friends and my step brother who were going to NYC anyway, she was basically “well why don’t you take Kevin with you and give me some damn rest for a change”. And none of us expected it to be what it was- was was only gonna go for the first day and then leave for NYC where we would spend another week in Brooklyn. Needless to say NOBODY was able to leave the site until well into day 3 because cars were parked every damn where and you could not get your car out even if you wanted to leave. So you stayed and hoped you would get fed and made the best of a bad situation.
“”"Say what you want about the 60’s, but I remember it as a time when people challenged the powers that be, stood up for what was right, and weren’t afraid to care about others or be themsleves..a “”"
I agree but there is a right way and a wrong way to do that. The wrong way is to go around telling everybody to get on dope and “tune out” and “do it if it feels good”. Imagine what could have been if that generation had left the dope and the other stupid crap alone and actually organized itself and went about changing some of the accepted things. Like I said, I hated Vietnam as much as anybody. I despised it. I lost a 1st cousin there (still MIA) and was scared to death of losing a great uncle who was a career service person. I wanted it to end. But smoking dope and going to Chicago and throwing fecal matter at the cops was not going to do a damn thing for the soldiers. Organizing voting drives and politically was what was going to end that war and what was ultimately going to change the system. All that movement did was make enemies out of people that otherwise would have been friends and allies in the liberal cause such as the labour unions. Causes are won by the process of addition and not subtraction.
Dear Blaidd_Drwg,
I really don’t care if you choose not to recite the pledge of allegiance.
With any pledge, I think that you should understand exactly what you are saying if you do recite it. As far as the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, if you understand it, reciting it in public once is enough. I agree that making school children do it first thing every day is a little much. Especially if they don’t understand the meaning.
Having the right to shoot someone doesn’t help civilization much, but having the right to respond to deadly force with deadly force helps me sleep a little sounder in my part of the civilization.
Hank
Everyone is in a hurry to scream “racism” these days!
“In what aisle could I find the Polish sausage?”
The clerk looks at him and says, “Are you Polish?”
The guy (clearly offended) says, “Well, yes I am. But let me ask you something. If I had asked for Italian sausage would you ask me if I was Italian? Or if I had asked for German bratwurst, would you ask me if I was German? Or if I asked for a kosher hot dog would you ask me if I was Jewish? Or if I had asked for a Taco would you ask if I was Mexican? Would you? Would you?”
The clerk says, “Well, no!”
“If I asked for some Irish whiskey, would you ask if I was Irish?”
“Well, I probably wouldn’t!”
With deep self-righteous indignation, the guy says, “Well then, why did you ask me if I’m Polish because I asked for Polish sausage?”
The clerk replies,
“Because you’re at Home Depot.”
“”"I always thought the pledge of Allegiance is dumb. Making little kids stand up and say a bunch of words most of which they have no idea the meaning of. And have you ever heard kids saying the pledge?”"”
Nobody is forced to say it. You may recite it or choose to sit quietly while others do and many kids including Witness kids do just that.
Hank,I suspect Blaidd_Drwg has never experienced a situation where his family was under real threat. I also suspect he would do (hopefully) what would need to be done to protect them. But then again, maybe not. Some would rather switch then fight:-)
I was on an FBM patrol in the north Atlantic during Woodstock. I was present during JJ’s concert in Hawaii when her album ‘Pearl’ was recorded.
In between patrols out of Guam I worked concert security in Waikiki. Went to a lot of concerts and met a lot of performers.
Hank
“…stood up for what was right, and weren’t afraid to care about others or be themsleves..a person could actually walk down the street or even hitchhike and not have to worry about getting raped or killed…”
Mary did you hitch-hike in the 60’s? I learned many important lessons in life when doing that. Like don’t get into cars if the driver is drunk.
Which reminds me of another question, when did the “60’s” end?
Was it 1970 when Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin died, or was it 1980 when John Lennon died? Or, some other year? Enquiring minds would like to know.
When Jerry Garcia died and The Grateful Dead stopped touring …. the 60’s light went out for good
.. by the way that’s a lava lite …
Nobody is forced to say it. You may recite it or choose to sit quietly while others do and many kids including Witness kids do just that.
Well…
I lived that. I was in kindergarten in 1971. There was this one little girl. I think she was Hispanic of some sort.
She wouldn’t stand up or say the pledge. Of course, this made her stand out. All us kids told our parents who were of course shocked and angry. I’m afraid they encouraged us to be mean to her. Because we were. She didn’t stay long in that class. I’ve always thought back on that. Here we were being mean to this little kid and we didn’t even know why except for that she was different.
I’m glad things have changed since then.
Hey Walker,
Most people that I know are sheep. They have no plan for what to do if their house is on fire. They don’t have a plan for emergencies on the road when they are traveling. They hide in their homes and hope the police will protect them.
Blaidd_Drwg seems harmless enough, naive, but harmless. He/she thinks that just because a person has taken on the responsibility for protection of family and self that some how they are some kind of nitwit. Hopefully, no harm will come to him because of his naive-better-than-thou ignorance.
I would rather be more proactive in my defense. Hope is nice, but being prepared is better protection.
Hank
That experience is also why I don’t think prayer in school is a good idea. Religion is so fractious an issue even for adults. I don’t think we need to draw kids into that.
“I would rather be more proactive in my defense. Hope is nice, but being prepared is better protection.”
Interesting. I thought faith was important to you guys. So will you have a 9mm trained on St. Peter when you disagree with his decision?
Sorry to mess with you Hank. But it is getting late and all that.
Hey Steven,
No apology required. All in all, I respect your opinions and I can separate your humorous from your serious posts.
I have faith in my ability to shoot strait. I practice. 9mm is not my caliber of choice. My latest addition to my home insurance policy:
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/ultracarry/
My new pistol is just like this one with the addition of the laser grips.
Hank
See ? That’s what I don’t get. How many guns can you shoot at one time?
I’ve got just the shotgun. At bush’s goons coming to get me range, or the right finally took over scenario, it’s enough.
Bad experience here too.
Late at night oh 18 years ago, I come home late to my apartment. Well I was a bachelor and a pig. But for some reason I decided to take out the trash. I tripped over a toy or something on the sidewalk. Next thing I know I’m looking at a guy 8 or so feet away pointing a pistol at me. Great big guy. He was shaking like a leaf.
“Whoa I’m just taking out the trash!” I say. The guy starts shaking harder. I’m surprised the gun didn’t go off. Seemed like this lasted an eternity. Eventually he lowered the gun. He apologized all over the place. He even came over the next day to apologize again. To this day I don’t know who was more scared. Sheesh I coulda died that night.
Interesting side note? My duplex apartment was less than 50 yards from where BTK murdered Nancy Fox years earlier. I don’t think the guy with the gun knew that though. Back then everybody thought BTK was dead.
Interesting story, J R. Thanks for sharing.
Looks like God has now spoken to Oral Roberts son.Scandal brewing at Oral Roberts U. By JUSTIN JUOZAPAVICIUS, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 7 minutes ago
TULSA, Okla. – Twenty years ago, televangelist Oral Roberts said he was reading a spy novel when God appeared to him and told him to raise $8 million for Roberts’ university, or else he would be “called home.”
ADVERTISEMENTNow, his son, Oral Roberts University President Richard Roberts, says God is speaking again, telling him to deny lurid allegations in a lawsuit that threatens to engulf this 44-year-old Bible Belt college in scandal.
Richard Roberts is accused of illegal involvement in a local political campaign and lavish spending at donors’ expense, including numerous home remodeling projects, use of the university jet for his daughter’s senior trip to the Bahamas, and a red Mercedes convertible and a Lexus SUV for his wife, Lindsay.
She is accused of dropping tens of thousands of dollars on clothes, awarding nonacademic scholarships to friends of her children and sending scores of text messages on university-issued cell phones to people described in the lawsuit as “underage males.”
At a chapel service this week on the 5,300-student campus known for its 60-foot-tall bronze sculpture of praying hands, Roberts said God told him: “We live in a litigious society. Anyone can get mad and file a lawsuit against another person whether they have a legitimate case or not. This lawsuit … is about intimidation, blackmail and extortion.”
San Antonio televangelist John Hagee, a member of the ORU board of regents, said the university’s executive board “is conducting a full and thorough investigation.”
Colleagues fear for the reputation of the university and the future of the Roberts’ ministry, which grew from Southern tent revivals to one of the most successful evangelical empires in the country, hauling in tens of millions of dollars in contributions a year. The university reported nearly $76 million in revenue in 2005, according to the IRS.
Oral Roberts is 89 and lives in California. He holds the title of chancellor, but the university describes him as semi-retired, and his son presides over day-to-day operations on the campus, which had a modern, space-age design when it was built in the early 1960s but now looks dated, like Disney’s Tomorrowland.
Cornell Cross II, a senior from Burlington, Vt., said he is looking to transfer to another school because the scandal has “severely devalued and hurt the reputation of my degree.”
“We have asked and asked and asked to see the finances of our school and what they’re doing with our money, and we’ve been told no,” said, Cross who is majoring in government. “Now we know why. As a student, I’m not going to stand for it any longer.”
The allegations are contained in a lawsuit filed Tuesday by three former professors. They sued ORU and Roberts, alleging they were wrongfully dismissed after reporting the school’s involvement in a local political race.
Richard Roberts, according to the suit, asked a professor in 2005 to use his students and university resources to aid a county commissioner’s bid for Tulsa mayor. Such involvement would violate state and federal law because of the university’s nonprofit status. Up to 50 students are alleged to have worked on the campaign.
The professors also said their dismissals came after they turned over to the board of regents a copy of a report documenting moral and ethical lapses on the part of Roberts and his family. The internal document was prepared by Stephanie Cantese, Richard Roberts’ sister-in-law, according to the lawsuit.
An ORU student repairing Cantese’s laptop discovered the document and later provided a copy to one of the professors.
It details dozens of alleged instances of misconduct. Among them:
• A longtime maintenance employee was fired so that an underage male friend of Mrs. Roberts could have his position.
• Mrs. Roberts — who is a member of the board of regents and is referred to as ORU’s “first lady” on the university’s Web site — frequently had cell-phone bills of more than $800 per month, with hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to “underage males who had been provided phones at university expense.”
• The university jet was used to take one daughter and several friends on a senior trip to Orlando, Fla., and the Bahamas. The $29,411 trip was billed to the ministry as an “evangelistic function of the president.”
• Mrs. Roberts spent more than $39,000 at one Chico’s clothing store alone in less than a year, and had other accounts in Texas and California. She also repeatedly said, “As long as I wear it once on TV, we can charge it off.” The document cites inconsistencies in clothing purchases and actual usage on TV.
• Mrs. Roberts was given a white Lexus SUV and a red Mercedes convertible by ministry donors.
• University and ministry employees are regularly summoned to the Roberts’ home to do the daughters’ homework.
• The university and ministry maintain a stable of horses for exclusive use by the Roberts’ children.
• The Roberts’ home has been remodeled 11 times in the past 14 years.
Tim Brooker, one of the professors who sued, said he fears for the university’s survival if certain changes aren’t made.
“All over that campus, there are signs up that say, `And God said, build me a university, build it on my authority, and build it on the Holy Spirit,’” Brooker said. “Unfortunately, ownership has shifted.”
Posted by: The Phantom | October 05, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Hmmmm….
Oh my gosh, Max, you DO know that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a SOCIALIST, don’t you?
How else can you explain the ridiculous “with liberty and justice for all” line . . .
You are 100% right about the kids who are different. I lived it, and oh the kids were relentless.
Kids don’t understand those things..so you know exactly where it came from. The parents. And the teacher who seemed to like to make a big production out of when I had to leave class because of my religion.
Most of the time, Hank, the flag is outside, not inside, so no break in required.
When did this law change by the way?
I believe those who have taken concealed carry courses say it’s very strict on when you can fire upon someone, and protecting property aint one.
Watching Olberman.
There is a group of veterans of george’s Iraq….thing…called votevets.org. These are the guys Rush called phony soldiers. Well site for this group has been getting email from fans of Rush.Real thoughtful stuff like “Rush is a great American, why don’t you kill yourself?”
Unbelievable.
I tell ya folks, the bush and Rush hangers on? They cannot be reasoned with. And they are far more dangerous than terrorists. The next election will marginalize them. But long term we are going to have to deal with these people.in ways that may need to get unpleasant.
Thanks Vaughn!! Long day tomorrow… Good Night; Good Luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
There is a group of veterans of george’s Iraq….thing…called votevets.org. These are the guys Rush called phony soldiers.Posted by: J R | October 05, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Prove it. Show us where he called the votevets.org phony soldiers.
You can’t because it’s yet another made up story by the Libs.
I heard him say it Kansas — and we all know YOU never listen to Rush… So, what would you know??
“Guess that just confirms that you are indeed a Pagan. A disciple of Satan from which all Christians and non-Christians should turn their backs on as an inherently evil person.”
ROFLKansas, if you know as much about everything else you post about as you do about Pagans, I pity anyone who believes what you post.
Nite nite all!! Bed time!!
I heard him say it Kansas — and we all know YOU never listen to Rush… So, what would you know??
Posted by: Chas. | October 06, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Prove it. Show us where he called the votevets.org phony soldiers.
Oh I’ve been digging JMKansas. And I’ll keep digging.
Tell me. If I find it, will it make a differende with you?
Kansas, if you know as much about everything else you post about as you do about Pagans, I pity anyone who believes what you post.
Posted by: Rox | October 06, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Oh please do tell Rox – what is your expertise on anything?
Especially on evaluating what people write?
What kind of expertise is needed to evaluate people’s opinion?
Hmmm?
Oh I’ve been digging JMKansas. And I’ll keep digging.
Tell me. If I find it, will it make a differende with you?
Posted by: J R | October 06, 2007 at 12:18 AM
No, but Phillip Brownlee will be interested. I’ve provided him with about ten of your posts since you’ve been back.
One or two more of those type of posts, then you’ll be looking for a new IP and identity. :)
LJ, although it may sound trite to say my thoughts and prayers are with you, your son, and your family, I’m saying it anyway and mean it. We all here expect him to come home safe and sound. And enjoy his unscheduled trip home before he leaves to the fullest. Send him off knowing he’s loved…by us all.
And forget the doofus who posted the nasties. Anyone stupid enough to post something like that to the parent of someone being deployed or anyone else, for that matter, should be ignored. Or tar and feathered, if you can catch him. ;)
Whey thank you JM!
My pal XXX asked me to back off you. He defended you saying that no one on the right was calling for banning.
This is another time you threatenec me. I don’t think you’ll have any defenders left.
If you have pull section 8 boy then use it.
So everything you post is your opinion, Kansas? I wasn’t aware of that, but thanks for revealing it. I’ll keep it in mind.
Good to see ya Rox.
My patience is just about gone for ya JM. It’s coming down to you or me.I’ve been down that road before. I KNOW you have a need for this forum. Don’t make me take it from you.
J R,
Really, no one cares what you do.
You have zero power. You’re just a big mouth and big talker with nothing.
You can dig all you want and end up embarrassing yourself.
This Blog is about discussion and giving opinion on topics.
It IS NOT about you starting up your own personal vendetta on people.
Quit messing with GMC, I don’t think you want to mess with someone who is a Prosecuting Attorney.
You must be really stupid to keep doing that.
I’ve been down that road before. I KNOW you have a need for this forum. Don’t make me take it from you.
Posted by: J R | October 06, 2007 at 12:29 AM
There’s not a single thing you can do about it J R.
You are powerless.
I don’t get embarrassed and I don’t run.
You haven’t dealt with anyone quite like me before, you’re a pure lightweight.
Oh that’s good.
Try and find an ally.
GMC and I have our thing. He aint here. I don’t hink he’d like such as you invoking him.
Oh that’s good.Try and find an ally.Posted by: J R | October 06, 2007 at 12:33 AM
Ally for what?
This is an anonymous Blog.
Deal with it.
Let’s rock troll.
You can be kill number 5 for me.
You seem to forget yourself.
I know who you are. If I have to, I will put you on display in all your nics and insanity.
I ask you again. Please do not do this to yourself. I once got a mental patient like you to post yo mama attacks agaust me for 5 hours…..while I slept.
Psych warfare against loons like you is my speciality JM.
What a overblown ego you are J R.
Remember what happened last time?
All your buddies ran off to the Wichita Voice with their tails tucked between their legs.
So bring it Lawn Boy. You don’t even have a whisper of a chance.
Like I said before, all you will do is embarrass and humiliate yourself.
lmao, what a loser you are J R.
I know your type, I’ve met your type.
You couldn’t psych a three year old.
You’re too predictable as you’ve already gave away your first moves.
Cya chump, got better things to do.
Oh, and do make a plan, you’ll need it as you suck at winging it.
Before we go on. I ask you do something for me.
Do a search on J R CrusaderX.
Really, I know you are hurting. But I will not allow you to continue to project your pain here.
All I see is a bunch of talk.
No action. But that’s expected of a Lib.
Is there a way I can help you?
I’ve many friends here and on both sides.
“I don’t get embarrassed and I don’t run.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 06, 2007 at 12:33 AM
HEY KANSAS… did you find those links to support your (very false) claim that the Sierra Club “screwed” the New Orleans levees?
No…?
Kansas doesn’t seem to understand that he has ZERO credibility on this blog.
A person has to be pretty stupid to NOT be “embarrassed” by that.
Kansas said that he was banned from this blog. And how many of Kansas’ posts has the editor deleted?
I’m a liberal JM. I believe in the innate goodness of folks despite what demons may have tortured then. You are crying out for help. I’m trying to answer. And that isn’t an insult. It’s humanity.
Yawn…
Lots folks suffer JM. A good friend of mine to whom I owe my being here has suffered way more than you, (well so far as I know)He stood up for you and your right to be here.
I’ll be about a bit KansasJM.
I was a second shift worker and I’ve never quite gotten over the hours. That goes back to my posts way before you got here. I’ll keep a watch and if you need to talk I’ll be about.
The ECP does seem to get nastier as it gets later in the evening. You have to wonder why that is.
Too much alcohol, maybe?
I did my best at nice cop.
From now on he gets tough cop.
“The ECP does seem to get nastier as it gets later in the evening. You have to wonder why that is.
Posted by: Steven Davis | October 06, 2007 at 09:51 AM
Too much alcohol, maybe?
Posted by: Mary Caruso | October 06, 2007 at 10:09 AM”
heheheheheheh! I agree.
Remember the commercial about how merlot and email dont mix?
heheheheheh!
These pissing contests are a nightly thing with him. Could be too much alcohol.
I usually end up thinking that ignoring him is the best policy. J R, I think you hit on it that this fellow does have a need to be here. Thus, I think it would be best to tolerate him and interact with him the least possible.
Well…
To quote Hank, I’m weak.Hey scroll up. I didn’t even mess with him. I put up a post and he threatened to invoke his mighty powers to get me kicked off. Yeah I know he is projecting his own fear of the same.
I think the alcohol fueled binges continue on into the day sometimes. It’s tiring. And Steven, despite your good intentions and advise, it’s hard to ignore his constant disruptions.
But JR, he has no brains or shame. Engaging him, no matter the method, results in the same. More postings.
It seemed walk on by was the best strategy, but we all have our breaking points, and that’s what he thrives on. Breaking point meaning responding in any form.
I’ve never seen a troll so eager to respond to the smallest crumb of food.
Do whatever you like JR, but I gotta say, I just got to the point on this thread where I scrolled past not only the troll nics, but the people responding.
I thought the admission that he doesn’t get embarrassed was interesting. Made me want to say “No kidding?”
KFG is right, he is in a category all unto himself. Calling him the ECP is a little insulting to poor ole Eric, too.
“I thought the admission that he doesn’t get embarrassed was interesting. Made me want to say “No kidding?”
hehehehehehheh…
Was it like this all while I was gone?
…heheheheheh!
Of course, not engaging him brings on the sock puppet ballet. If he has no one responding, he just responds to himself.
heeeeeeee!
Worse, JR, waaaaaaay worse.
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