It’s not too surprising that Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline, who has defined himself largely as an anti-abortion crusader, Wednesday charged a Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park with 107 counts of lawbreaking, including performing late-term abortions.
Planned Parenthood denies doing any late-term abortions. “We always provide high-quality care in full accord with state and federal law,” said Peter Brownlie, president of Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri.
Kline’s move comes a few months after Attorney General Paul Morrison found no evidence of wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood in another Kline-initiated investigation.
Given Kline’s record, here’s the first question most Kansans will have about this latest flurry of charges: Will any of them hold up in court?
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“Given Kline’s record, here’s the first question most Kansans will have about this latest flurry of charges: Will any of them hold up in court?”
Safe bet: Probably not…
Great, not only do we have God’s Senator, we now have God’s District Attorney in Kansas!
Kline has a one-track mind- with no train of thought!
Why isn’t there a petition drive to get a grand jury investigation into Operation Rescue’s finances and the harassment they cause at Tiller’s clinic?
Hey Indy, I like that ideal.. Call Nola… maybe you can lite a fire under her butt…
How about the harrassment that OR causes at Tiller’s HOUSE???
And when PP wins this case- which they will- they should turn around and sue the crap out of the county and the DA for malicious prosecution and demand that Kline be debarred. Maybe Kline can join his twin Mike Nifong in the “Attorney Hall of Shame”.
OR has a right to protest and to free speech. Tiller just has to rack it up as a cost of doing business. They do not have the right to block access to his clinic or ingress or egress from his home.
How about a Nifong outcome for Klein?…
Kline can lose his license to practice law for using his position to file harassing lawsuits. It’s about time Morrison puts down this trouble maker.
Does Kansas have more morons per capita in political office, or does it just seem that way?
Watch this thread today.
Compare it to the thread on health care for little children and how “pro life” bush wants to take it away.
Compare, take notes.
Remember.
Real men, such as Phil Kline, do their best to protect women and children, including unborn children. Cowardly men like to keep the abortion mills up and running so they can continue to use underage girls and women without impunity.
I think, JR, the phrasing you’re looking for is *with* impunity.
And believe me, underage girls and women are used thusly with or without abortion services.
Sorry, JR,thatwas actually meant for PR31.
I meant without impunity. Impunity meaning exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action. Cowards and abusers have sex with underage girls. They avoid arrest for underage sex since Planned Parenthood doesn’t report when the girl is, for example 13, and her boyfriend is 22.
Yes, girls and women are used with or without abortion services. But abortionists continue the using. The irony is that the abortionist keeps coining money while all of you defend him.
If they aren’t guilty of the charges, they should have nothing to worry about.Any healthcare facility faces the same scutiny. When I worked in the hospitals for 17 years it was amazing the hoops we had to jump throught to pass inspections…any licensed facilty must be held to established guidelines and be meticulous in everything they do…and that includes abortion facilities.
I agree they need to be meticulous but hospitals and clinics aren’t being harassed and prosecuted, Mary. This is getting old. They don’t like abortion so they do everything they can to keep women from ACCESS to abortion. By shutting them down either financially or otherwise. This has got to stop. It is still legal and rightly so to have the choice.
—-Real men, such as Phil Kline, do their best to protect women and children, including unborn children. Cowardly men like to keep the abortion mills up and running so they can continue to use underage girls and women without impunity.
Posted by: PR31 | October 18, 2007 at 08:01 AM
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What you meant to say is Phil Kline doesn’t care what women want, whether carrying the child will kill or harm them. He’s as anti-woman as you can get. Women don’t need to be protected from making their own decisions.
From the article:
“Besides 29 misdemeanor counts of providing unlawful late-term abortions, the clinic is charged with multiple counts of making a false writing, failure to maintain records and failure to determine viability.”
————–The thing that surprises me is that “providing unlawful late-term abortions” is just a misdemeanor??
The same as stealing a pack of gum.
Why should “providing unlawful late-term abortions” not be a felony?
Political mom, what about the witnesses who see women and young girls dragged into abortion millls? Are they making their own decisions?
Don’t you care, political mom, that underage girls are tricked into relationships with much older boyfriends? The 13 year old is flattered, used, then pregnant, and then the “solution” is to abort the baby. Why does Planned Parenthood let the men go without reporting as the law requires? Do they just want more abortion business? The girl may be back for additional abortions if the relationship continues or the man may be continue with another victim. Phill Kline is a hero who cares about women. Abortion mills just want the business.
“political_mom” wrote:
“Women don’t need to be protected from making their own decisions.”
But don’t you see? The entire anti-abortion movement is based on a foundation that needs to make women 2nd-Class citizens.
With the introduction of The Pill in the 1960s, the prospect of women being equal sexual partners upset the make hierarchy. Abortion rights opponents were pretty much left with a “don’t do the ‘crime’ if you can’t do the time” mindset.
Then, in 1968, Life magazine publised a bunch of remarkable photos of (as it turned out, aborted and miscarried) fetuses and an advertising agency hit on the “baby killing” sales pitch. That tack caught on with the same people who believe women should submit to their husbands and not speak in church; to the same people whose religious bigotry denies females the rank of priesthood.
From polygamists to Promise Keepers, the only way some males can achieve a modicum of self respect is to assume they are superior to females. And they’ll do anything in their power to subject women to 2nd-Class personhood.
What could you possibly be thinking, “political_mom,” when you say, “Women don’t need to be protected from making their own decisions”?! You’re just a girl!
;-)
The answer to O-R’s blocking of Tiller’s home! It just doesn’t happen because George Tiller lives in a gated community! Operation Rescue can’t even come close to the guard house unless it wants its’ members to be arrested and charged with unlawful tresspeass. They know this and it frustrates the hell out of them. Tiller lives way off the leading street
so they would have to travel almost a mile before arriving at his house. Also, remember when Kellogg use to run close by the Dr.’s clinic? Now with the new road configuration all the sign waving nearly goes for naught because with traffic going a high speeds it nearly impossible to see those idiots! That I like! Got tired of seeing them clowning around taking the Lord’s name in vain!!!!
Gentlemen treat women right. They don’t need abortion to hide behind. Don’t defend loosers who prey on women and abortionists who make money off women. Men who trumpet abortion as egalatarianism’s paradise are cowards.
Political mom, what about the witnesses who see women and young girls dragged into abortion millls? Are they making their own decisions?
Don’t you care, political mom, that underage girls are tricked into relationships with much older boyfriends? The 13 year old is flattered, used, then pregnant, and then the “solution” is to abort the baby. Why does Planned Parenthood let the men go without reporting as the law requires? Do they just want more abortion business? The girl may be back for additional abortions if the relationship continues or the man may be continue with another victim. Phill Kline is a hero who cares about women. Abortion mills just want the business.
Posted by: PR31 | October 18, 2007 at 09:50 AM
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Even if a woman or a girl WERE dragged into a clinic, that doesn’t mean the doctor will perform that abortion. They take her off by herself, and she and only she can make the decision.
And no, with all the video that OR takes of abortion clinics, I’ve yet to see anyone being DRAGGED into a clinic. They’re liars, and I don’t believe a word they say about anything. I’ve seen them lie up close and personal. We see it every day with Parkay’s postings here. Come on.
It was proven in Tiller’s case anyway, that all of the reporting was done for girls who were underage. So why do you insist on perpetuating this lie that they’re going unreported? Besides, I was 14 with an 18 year old boyfriend when I was young. I still to this very day don’t believe that I was abused, taken advantage of, or anything like that. Some of these laws need to be changed anyway.
You, PR, would rather see these raped girls and women be forced to carry their child. And that is disgusting. Talk about a hatred of women.
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I agree with you completely Monkeyhawk.
I have a daughter who is now a 25 year old bright young woman with an intelligent mind of her own. She is engaged to be married to a young man who respects her for who she is and what she is! Thank God, her mother and I raised her and her brother to think on their feet and not be persuaded by a narrow minded group like Operation Rescue or Southwind! She is KU educated with a Masters in education! We never told her that abortion is wrong or that she should not have sex until married. What we did tell our children is that they were responsible for their actions and that once you have sex there is no turning it off! Some people think you can switch sex on and off like a light bulb! That just does NOT happen! We told our kids that sex is good! It is even better when you are in a monogamous relationship such as marriage! We never glossed over anything about the sex act! That said, I really have a hard time trying to understand the actions of so-called pro-life groups! They will come up with some of the most profound untrue statements and want you to believe what they say! How on earth can one believe that young girls are ‘dragged’ into an abortion clinic against their will for an abortion? I have NEVER seen or heard of such actions! It’s lies like this that gives those organizations no creditability! If they would quit the bogus lies and untrue statements then maybe,just maybe they’d taken seriously!!!!
Gentlemen treat women right. They don’t need abortion to hide behind. Don’t defend loosers who prey on women and abortionists who make money off women. Men who trumpet abortion as egalatarianism’s paradise are cowards.
Posted by: PR31 | October 18, 2007 at 10:08 AM
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You see, this is where you’re messed up. THIS ISN’T ABOUT THE MEN. It’s about the women, their lives, the impact upon them to have a pregnancy that is going to either financially, medically, emotionally, or otherwise ruin them. Sometimes it’s about the health of the baby- sparing it a life of misery.
Do you live in some dream world? I would be thrilled if every man treated every woman with dignity and respect and vise versa. I would be thrilled if women who were pregnant had an equal way to make their way in the world. But guess who fights against policies like that- the antis! Go figure.
We want birth control and morning after pills available to cut down on unwanted pregnancy in the first place- who fights against these policies- the ANTIS!
Women don’t need to be ‘taken care of’. We need equal partners in life, and the ability to make our own decisions for what is right for us.
Abortion choice advocates get all bent out of shape when reasonable adults wish to end the killing of the pre-born. Didn’t pro-slavery folks get their panties in a bunch when thinking men and women stood up for full human rights for black slaves? Wasn’t it a crime in Nazi Germany and other fascist countries to take a stand for persecuted Jews and Christians who denounced their inhumane treatment?Abortion is without a doubt the preeminent human rights issue of our time; one where special pre-born individuals who’ve been marginalized and silenced by the culture of death and destruction are in fact killed by the thousands each and every day in America.It’s far past the time for born people to stand up for pre-born people. What are you waiting for - consider this as your invitation. It’s time we all wake up!
If there are any republicans reading this blog, I just want you to know that for the first time in my life - I voted for democrats in the last election.
Morrison over Kline was one.
Why? Because I wanted a DA in the state office - not someone obsessed with stopping abortions.
THEN YOU FURTHER TICKED ME OFF!!!
The republican party in Johnson County then appoints a LOSER to fill the vacancy of Morrison. Didn’t you see that?
NO YOU DIDN’T. You were so blinded by the anti-abortion crowd in your office, that you completely forgot that there are conservatives who said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
I’m fed up with your grab of the party and domination of this one issue above all of the other old time conservative positions and over the going-concerns facing this nation.
Your head-in-the-sand bible thumping stance has held this state hostage too long. You don’t like gambling because it’s a sin (nevermind you play lotto), so the private casino’s are in Missouri.
Republican leadership: Stop standing around looking like a deer caught in the headlights wondering, “what happened”?
What happened is twofold:
1st: You put religion 1st2nd: You failed miserably to accomplish conservative legislation during your hold of the legislative and executive branches of government.
You keep it up - and you are going to loose the fence sitters, the middle of the road conservatives, and the rest of your base.
Kline has said this is his last hurrah - he is not running again.So we only have to endure him a little longer.
Don’t replace him with a mirror image.
I will vote for ANYONE BUT, again.
PR,For some few years, I volunteered to escort women who were trying to get past your howling mob and into a clinic. I was there every day they were seeing patients, and not once have I seen a woman dragged into the clinic. I did see doctors refusing to do abortions on women they felt were being coerced. Your handle says it all- you’re pure PR, a hired liar for whatever cause will pay you!
A true gentleman respects a woman’s decisions and supports her right to make them.
Oh, I also remember a few years back when OR people went to Dr. Tiller’s church and screamed in the Sunday school windows at the children to run outside and hide because the evil Dr. Tiller was waiting upstairs to kill them all. A real class act! If that doesn’t work are you planning to shoot the patients?
what about the witnesses who see women and young girls dragged into abortion millls?Posted by: PR31 | October 18, 2007 at 09:50 AM
I’m sure that’s a scene you’ll see every day.
You sir, are an idiot.
Don’t you care, political mom, that underage girls are tricked into relationships with much older boyfriends? Why does Planned Parenthood let the men go without reporting as the law requires? Do they just want more abortion business? The girl may be back for additional abortions if the relationship continues or the man may be continue with another victim.
Posted by: PR31 | October 18, 2007 at 09:50 AM
PR: why are you blaming Planned Parenthood for underage girls being tricked into relationships by older males? Where is the girl’s parents responsibility to assure that their daughter has the self respect, self worth and voice to stand up for themselves or are monitoring their activities?
Furthermore, I was a clinic escort before, during and after the Summer of Mercy. Do not pretend we don’t know what really happened there. Young women seeking medical assistance were intimidated, bullied and threatened by OR, the Lambs of God, and the other fringe lunatics of the anti’s. Men were hanging from trees, women pounded on car windows and doors screaming “you’ll go to hell”. Where was the ‘forgiveness and guidance’ of your faith then?
And STL, what is with the word “pre-born” WTH is that? Each sperm, zygote or clump of cells is NOT an individual. It’s an individual when it’s out of the womb, not before.
I’d also like to add that the young man’s parents should be involved in his activities/relationships as well.
Interesting, the same group that brought us “frivolous lawsuits” is harassing legitimate businesses with frivolous lawsuits.
One wonders how much Kansas tax payers will have to shell out if these charges are found to be phony and the clinic counter-sues.
Abortion choice advocates get all bent out of shape when reasonable adults wish to end the killing of the pre-born. Didn’t pro-slavery folks get their panties in a bunch when thinking men and women stood up for full human rights for black slaves? Wasn’t it a crime in Nazi Germany and other fascist countries to take a stand for persecuted Jews and Christians who denounced their inhumane treatment?
Abortion is without a doubt the preeminent human rights issue of our time; one where special pre-born individuals who’ve been marginalized and silenced by the culture of death and destruction are in fact killed by the thousands each and every day in America.
It’s far past the time for born people to stand up for pre-born people. What are you waiting for - consider this as your invitation. It’s time we all wake up!
Posted by: STL | October 18, 2007 at 10:40 AM
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LIBERALS fought for all of those things to be abolished, the removal of rights of living people. LIBERALS are PRO-LIFE. How many women should die from anti-abortion policies? HOW can you call yourself pro-life when that is exactly what you advocate- the death of twice as many?
Notorious late-term Colorado abortionist quack Warren Hern, during a May, 1997, annual meeting of the National Abortion Federation held in Boston, MA, complained that paying for an ultrasound machine would increase the cost of an abortion by $25. In his own words, this would cause the patient load to plummet.This is why the abortion industry is so adamantly opposed to safety and cleanliness regulations and inspections, and violates state laws to maintain profits. If abortionist quacks had to spend their time and money complying with medical regulations that protect the mothers, the cost of abortions would then go up enough to drop the number of elective abortions drastically, in spite of a huge number of mothers being coerced into abortion mills for cheap, dirty, unsafe abortions.This being true, we should be seeing the number of abortions committed inside Missouri drop drastically when the new safety laws enacted are finally unblocked. Look for a corresponding number of mothers to travel into Kansas and Illinois for cheap, dirty, unsafe abortions, however, at that point.Also, one reason that quack Tiller is able to make a huge profit on a relatively few number of post-viable abortions, besides first-trimester killings, is that he collects a much higher fee for each one, some $5000 to $10,000, usually from insurance companies, which drives up your medical premiums.The first goal of Hog Futures Hillary’s socialized health care will be to get a taxpayer-funded fee of about $3000 instead of the usual $350 to the abortionist quack for every first-trimester abortion, and remove any restrictions, such as the partial birth abortion ban, waiting periods, and parental notification, that cut into profits.And people call Phill Kline narrow-minded.
“the death of twice as many?”Wow PMom, you actually admit that abortion causes a death? I thought fetuses weren’t alive until the umbilical cord was cut and they were free of their mother’s body…until then a fetus was nothing more than a parasite.
Parkay..since when have abortions been subsidized by the taxpayors?..never I think. Medicaid doesn’t pay for it.
I wonder if evolution will take place and fetuses will develop protective mechanisms.
Like the fetus tying their brain functions to the mother in a way if an abortion is attempted, they will shut down the breathing and heart beat feedbacks of the mother.
Just saying…
If anyone else is as mad as I am at the zealot republican Phil Kline, you can put your money where your mouth is.
You can donate to Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri toward their defense fund.
And so you know this is not an advertisement. You can ALSO read the otherside to this story on their website.
http://www.ppkm.org/
Sign me:
Does that fund cover the incinerator costs for burning the “tissue” and it’s effects on the environment?
Jed,You actually led women into an abortion clinic to kill their own babies. No wonder you think Kline is bad. Just out of curiosity how many underage girls did you escort in?
Notorious late-term Colorado abortionist quack Warren Hern, during a May, 1997, annual meeting of the National Abortion Federation held in Boston, MA, complained that paying for an ultrasound machine would increase the cost of an abortion by $25. In his own words, this would cause the patient load to plummet….
Or he was concerned that those who need services would not be able to afford it. Make the cost so high that they HAVE to keep their babies or go to a butcher, right?How about allow federal funding so they can get ultrasound machines? Oh no, you would’nt go for that now would you.
“This is why the abortion industry is so adamantly opposed to safety and cleanliness regulations and inspections, and violates state laws to maintain profits.”
Lie. They have the SAME safety and cleanliness regulations as other outpatient medical clinics. They fight against MORE that will make it so hard that abortion providers would have to close up shop.
Mary- I’ve never said that abortion didn’t take a life. I’ve always said I put the life of the mother first and foremost- the baby won’t live if the mother doesn’t. I do believe that real life comes before potential life. I am a mother afterall. And yes, it is kindof a parasite. What is the definition of a parasite? Ever hear of a parasitic twin? Does that diminish the twin?
Just out of curiosity how many underage girls did you escort in?
cover the incinerator costs for burning the “tissue”
Here they come. “Onward Christian soldiers marching as to war……”
After the popeye cartoon we will get to see the graphic photo’s.
Here they come!
Mary- I’ve never said that abortion didn’t take a life. Posted by: political_mom | October 18, 2007 at 09:28 PM
So the “Pro-Choice” stance is actually “Pro-Death” then?
Do abortions count as pre Kevorkian methods to prevent the sustainment of life for a convenience?
You know, like turning off the oxygen valve on grandma when it becomes too expensive to keep her around.
You know, like turning off the oxygen valve on grandma
Posted by: Kansas
No, it’s more like injecting painful drugs into a death sentenced inmate - and watching him go into convulsions right before your eyes!
Murders! You are murderers!
I wish we could work towards a society where people were truly unselfish, would take resposibility for their actions, embrace self control, and respect life, no matter how fragile and helpless it may be.
“You might say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one…”
BTW, I’m doing a remodel this weekend for a disabled man who really needs his home cleaned and painted…any of you interested in helping?
Actually “This thin Green Line is a long one,” the sentenced inmate goes out in a more humane way and so do euthanized animals.
Getting one’s skull crushed or torn limb from limb, sounds very medievally barbaric and cruel imo.
Hey Kansas, isn’t in just our military mowing down innocent women and children in Iraq and afghan with a .50 Cal?
Or maybe dropping smart bombs on them?
Justifiable homicide, right?
God’s cool with that. And cool with the death sentence.
the sentenced inmate goes out in a more humane way and so do euthanized animals.Posted by: Kansas
Oh I get it. Murder and killing is AOK as long as you do it in a humane fashion.
Great!
“it’s more like injecting painful drugs into a death sentenced inmate - and watching him go into convulsions right before your eyes!”
You’ve obviously never seen a lethal injection…it’s a pretty comfortable death..there are no seizures like you describe.They put the criminal under general anethesia and then give them an overdose of potassium to stop the heart. They go to sleep and then their dead….much more humane than the way they probably killed their victim.
I might be Mary. If I knew more.
I am always looking for a chance to teach my son to help others out.
Come on guys!!I need help this weekend…you can spend a few hours away from the blog..can’t you?
Impromptu meet up opportunity?
Oh I get it. Murder and killing is AOK as long as you do it in a humane fashion.
Great!
Posted by: Hypocrits all of you | October 18, 2007 at 09:44 PM
It was on “Deep Space Nine - Star Trek series” when the Alien that used to play “Winchester” (David Ogden Stiers) on M.A.S.H. lived in a society where at a certain age, euthanasia was mandatory for the benefit of society.
BTW, I’m doing a remodel this weekend for a disabled man who really needs his home cleaned and painted…any of you interested in helping?
Mary, You know I’d love to, but I’m a little busy with my grands right now.
Kansas, I’m all for kevorkian to end suffering, NOT because they don’t want her around anymore. By the way, I just had a client where a family practically neglected their mother. Made me angry.
He’s a long time client of mine…mentally retarded and schizophrenic. His apartment is filthy and it needs painted really bad. I want to install shelves on one wall and in his closet so he’ll have more storage space for his many toys. I need to replace part of the paneling on one wall. His landlord is elderly and really can’t to the work, so I’m trying to coordinate a team to help me.
I have all the tools and supplies..I just need more manpower so we can get it done quickly. He gets really nervous around people so I can’t drag the project out for very long.
Sorry Mary, I saw and heard the interviews with the family members on the news on this one:
Executions on hold in two US states
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/dec2006/leth-d18.shtml
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1986561,00.html
http://vadp.org/news/death-penalty-cases-in-virginia/va-capital-resource-representation-center-press-release-on-lethal-injection-appeal-for-chris-emmett.html
And the one I listened to on the news:
Florida Death Row Inmate Dies Only After Second Chemical Dose
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/15/us/15death.html
These constitutional murders did not take place in 1850, 1880, or even 1990.
Try 2006!
mentally retarded and schizophrenic. His apartment is filthy and it needs painted really bad. I want to install shelves on one wall and in his closet so he’ll have more storage space for his many toys.
You are redecorating for Chas?
Nice!! Look at it this way…it’s a chance for all you good Christians to put your money where your mouth is!
LPN..I’m not too concerned about the comfort of murderers…if they take a life they should give up their own. If BTK had a seizure while they were putting him to death, I really wouldn’t care. All I’d have to do is think about how he tortured his victims, including the children.
Hey Mary,
I can’t physically participate, but would if I could. Is there some charity or place I could make a donation?
Without getting personal, of course.
My NIC has a reputation to maintain, sort of speak. And you should be careful too. But a check written to an organization or C/O bank account would work.
Thanks, but no, no name…He has the money to do all the work. It’s kind of you to offer, though.
I know this is Kansas and all, and some still do not lock their doors at night but,
Please be careful.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2000959.stm
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2007/10/17/012.html
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/aag/speeches/fbiremarks.htm
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/01/41300
http://www.bobparsons.com/WhytheinternetcanbeabadplacetomeetpeopleAmurderinVirginiaTheTaylorBehlstoryp.html
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/08/15/10060264.html
There are literally hundreds of these I could post. And many involve people trusting other internet people.
I’ve gotten together with the bloggers here several times…they’re relly a harmless bunch even though you wouldn’t know it by reading their posts!The place where the remodel is to take place is closely surrounded by tenants who know me and will be sticking their heads in the door to see what I’m doing. It’ll be safe for anyone who wants to help.
Oh I get it. Murder and killing is AOK as long as you do it in a humane fashion.
Great!
Posted by: Hypocrits all of you | October 18, 2007 at 09:44 PM
It was on “Deep Space Nine - Star Trek series” when the Alien that used to play “Winchester” (David Ogden Stiers) on M.A.S.H. lived in a society where at a certain age, euthanasia was mandatory for the benefit of society.
posted by: Kansas
Joke your way out of it Kansas. But if your GOVERNMENT can kill and murder innocent women and children in a far country, and kill inmates at home -
You’ve no RIGHT to question abortion.
Only in a few cases does the lethal injection go wrong. If I had to choose, that’s the way I’d choose to go tyvm.
Mary, I really hope you get some replies.
I have the opposite problem. My grandparent’s home needs a ton of work, and we just don’t have the money to provide it. With her macular degeneration lighting is becoming very important, she needs to widen doors and install ramps, get durable medical equipment.
Ahhhh…..Another abortion thread - another thread with 70+ posts and zero original thoughts.
Eagle - do we have to rehash this smegma every 3-4 days forever in perpetuity?
Ohhhhhhh goofy testicles crawled out of his hole. Yay.
Only in a few cases does the lethal injection go wrong. If I had to choose, that’s the way I’d choose to go tyvm.Posted by: political_mom
Cool. All the babies murdered should be put out of their misery before performing the suction.
” Hello? This is Abbots abortions……
that’s the way I’d choose to go
Then I should have the right to decide the method you use to dissect me.
Ohhhhhhh goofy testicles crawled out of his hole. Yay.
Posted by: political_mom | October 18, 2007 at 10:59 PM
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That post pretty much summarizes this thread and political_mom’s intellect.
/sarcasm
But remember KSGolfnut, it is only the conservatives who are the problem….
But remember KSGolfnut, it is only the conservatives who are the problem….
Posted by: Nathan
AND IT IS ONLY A PROBLEM BECAUSE LIBERALS CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT RICH PEOPLES MONEY.
THEY GOTTA HAVE, THEY THIRST FOR,THAT FREE MONEY!!!!
SOCK IT TO US! GIVE US YOUR MONEY YOU GREEDY RICH PEOPLE!!!
I think I’m having what you call a melt-down.
Rather than waste your space, I’m taking two aspirin and going to bed.
“”"PR,For some few years, I volunteered to escort women who were trying to get past your howling mob and into a clinic.”"”
The howling mob has the right to be there and the right to howl. That is what free speech is all about. BUT if they attempt to physically block or interfere with the right to abortion, they should be maced, tazed, clubbed and dragged off to jail.
PMom..contact Habitat for Humanity,,they could probably help your grandma with her house. They do it all the time..my husband helped them side someone’s house last week.
Mary, I would volunteer to help if I was in town. Good for you for taking the lead for your client, I hope you get more volunteers.
Kev, I’m all for freedom of speech, that’s why I didn’t engage in shouting matches with them, it’s futile,IMHO. I have a belief and they have one, we’re not going to change each other’s minds. I don’t believe that confrontation helps anything, but OR did physically block vehicles and gate access, as well as pushing and shoving patients. And WPD let them do it. It was a total mess.
KsGolfnut: I don’t know that there are any original points to this old debate. Do you know of one?
P-Mom,”I have the opposite problem. My grandparent’s home needs a ton of work, and we just don’t have the money to provide it.”
It’s been a while, but when we were in a similar situation, Mennonite Housing came and did a more than beautiful job at no charge. They’re great people to work with and real craftsmen to boot.
John Stoned,”Jed,You actually led women into an abortion clinic to kill their own babies. No wonder you think Kline is bad. Just out of curiosity how many underage girls did you escort in?”
No John, I didn’t “lead” them anywhere. They made their own decisions and with their blessing I did my best to protect them (and their right to make their own decisions) from your vicious mob.You asked about underage girls? A fairly rare occurrence and always accompanied by one or both parents. The worst case I recall was a 9yr-old girl from Oklahoma who had been molested by her Sunday School teacher. Her whole family came to support her. The majority of clients were married women in their 20’s and 30’s.
Well Jed, I just asked out of curiosity. I am sure you are proud of yourself that you protected people from the extremely vicious mob. My goodness I cannot imagine a more braver soul who protected women from such a dangerous group of people. I can imagine they would have wanted to break their skulls and suck their brains out. What a brave and courageous soul you are. Seriously, you get an award for bravery.So were there women who were forced by their boyfriends to abort? Why were the married women aborting their babies? Again I am just curious.
Stoned,I got my share of death threats along with all the other escorts. It didn’t particularly worry me because there wasn’t anyone on that side of the fence smart enough to actually pull off an assassination.I certainly never saw anyone being forced to have an abortion by anything except circumstances. There were several times when the doctors felt that a woman was being coerced and refused to perform the abortion.
I spent a lot of time talking to women at the clinics and the reasons were varied. Economic factors were high on the list when layoffs were high and people lost their health coverage. Many already had their families and were struggling to pay bills as it was. Others were there because of medical reasons.One case that stands out was a couple who had been trying to get pregnant and discovered a potentially fatal medical problem too late. She was quite upset about having to end her pregnancy, but didn’t want to risk leaving their two children motherless. I sat with her and listened to her for an hour or so before her procedure, and afterward as I helped her into her car, one of your foghorn bitches ran up to the car and screamed at her “Tell your dead baby ‘Happy Birthday!’”
Jed,I am sure if people on the other side were smarter they could have pulled off an abortion, which is legal by the way, like the abortionist on your side.Well again since you are so knowledgeable and not to mention brave. What happens to the child after the abortion? Do you put it in the trash? Incinerate it?What about asking the people to consider adoptions, does killer I mean Tiller offer that as a choice?
Stoned,Yeah, how about adoptions? You guys talk the talk, but there are still several hundred thousand perfectly adoptable kids in the foster care system who will never get to be in a a family. When your people have adopted all of them, get back to me.
Stoned,”I am sure if people on the other side were smarter they could have pulled off an abortion, which is legal by the way, like the abortionist on your side.”
I’m sure if they were able to, they would have done it. Some of the most amusing experiences we had were when women who had been screaming at patients the week before came in for their own abortions. Wigs, big sunglasses, heavy coats in July etc. They were much more afraid of your side than ours!
What do you do with the body of the child Jed? That was one question you skirted around.