All good wishes for the new Web site, www.50ideas.org, to collect “progressive ideas that pioneer change” for the Kansas Republican Party platform. The more ideas aimed at improving Kansas, the merrier. But state GOP chairman Kris Kobach (in photo) showed selective reasoning in a launch statement: “Through this novel method, the Kansas Republican Party seeks to create a platform which serves as a vehicle for not just highlighting the failed policies of the Sebelius administration but ways to pro-actively fix Kansas government after years of Democrat control.”
Harris News Service noted what Kobach didn’t: “that Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius earned a 68 percent statewide approval rating in a recent Survey USA poll and that Republicans control both legislative chambers by wide margins.”
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So when will the Kansas press publish pictures of the $1 billion that Sebelius claims to have saved? What did that $1 billion look like?
http://www.ksdp.org/node/3427“Or how Kathleen Sebelius saved taxpayers over $1 billion during her first term by running the Kansas government more efficiently.”
Does Kansas really use $1 billion in paperclips? http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20060807/ai_n16664287
Kris Kobach is just beating his Christian masses into a frenzy to gain support for his own political career.
And wasn’t there a Republican in the Governor’s Mansion prior to Sebelius?
So, in reality, Kris Kobach is admitting to everyone that the Republican controlled legislature and the previous Republican governor did not do a damn thing.
The reichwingnutia is just going through some last minute spasms in their death throes. A Dem. Govenor wins by a landslide in a red state. Another seat in Congress jumps from R to D in a red state. Moderate R’s jumping ship right and left.
Death, thy name is the republican party.
The GOP mantra has been the same since Goldwater- tell the voters bullshit about “lower taxes”, “less government”, “fiscal responsibility” and “family values” and then do the opposite after election. I cannot stand James Dobson- the religious nutcase leader- but I do admire him for coming on Hannity and saying that he was not going to be bulled by liar Republicans anymore and that he would not compromise his beliefs just to vote for aomebody with an “R” after their name.
Nice to see some positive flow come out of Topeka. Perhaps with the right inputs it could turn into a way to channel brainstorming into purposeful legislation.
Like…
Have environmental impact studies done before permits are given to Coal Plants. :)
Or how best to incorporate tourist stops in Kansas along with business attraction where both mutually benefit. e.g. – tour package to Wichita – Zoo, Botanical Center, Restaurant locations, Cowtown, Museums and the incorporation of the street car tour, etc. Map it out, print it up, send it on to tourist bureaus elsewhere…
What Kobach wants is to get the religious right into power. Every time the christian crazies of the Republican party put up a governor candidate of their kind, all of the moderate Republicans and Democrats vote in a Democrat governor.
I think Kobach should require his loyalty oath to be signed before anyone is allowed to vote in the Republican primary.
And for how many decades has the Republican party controlled both chambers of the Kansas legislature? Almost three . . .
Kobach should require any Republican interested in running for public office to learn how to count, balance a checkbook, and budget. The federal deficit was $700 billion when Reagan took office, and is now almost $10 trillion. With only one Democrat as president during that stretch, and Clinton balancing the budget, and paying down the deficit, who does that make responsible for gross deficit spending? And we have now had six years of a Democrat as governor in Kansas, and no tax increases.
Now Kelly; if she wanted one, just how would would Ms. Sebelius get a tax increase through the Kansas legislature?
In fact, having different parties in charge of the legislative and executive branches works pretty well in Kansas and in the federal government as well. This arrangement limits what the government can get done and the art of compromise must be practiced.
Poor KSGOP.
The Party is nearly bankrupt.
The moderates, through KTRM, have sucked away most of their donors.
Many of their best and brightest have abandoned the party and joined the Democrats.
Pretty-boy Kris “Where’s your third ‘k’” Kobach is more concerned with making a national name for himself over illegal immigration than in fixing his own fences here at home.
And then there’s the Loyalty Oath. What a joke the Kansas Republican Party has become. It’s a sad, painful kind of joke, though. I know many traditional, moderate Republicans both in and out of office, and they hate hate hate what’s happening to their party.
Here’s an idea, Kris: quit pandering to the radical “conservative” whackos that have destroyed the party.
Oh wait, you’re one of them. Nevermind.
Hi Tom. LTNS!
Hiya Farmgrrl. ;) I’ve been busy busy busy. That Big Gay Agenda takes up a lot of a guy’s time, ya know?
Deficit is not the same as Debt, Kelly.
Also, the value of the dollar is cut in half every 14 years, due to inflation, alone.
Therefore, you must adjust your figures.
I just spent some time going through Kobach’s new “50 Ideas” website.
Oh my.
Not only is the design hideous, (it looks like something any high-school student could throw together), but it’s chock-full of grammatical errors.
To their credit, they _did_ manage to figure out how to run a spell-check.
The problem is, you can’t use spell-check to fix stupid.
Until the rollout of the dazzler of a shiny new platform is complete, watch for conservatives to dust off the old voter restrictions manifesto again next year. You can’t help wondering what the devotedly undemocratic proposal might contain this time around. Maybe they’ll summon the spirits of bait and switch propaganda to the extent that citizens will only be allowed to register if they can obtain a birth certificate prior to 2003–sort of a retroactive means of disallowing any new arrivals from participating. And is Kobach the new bearer of the Sam Spade mantle? Our very own protector from the ominous voter fraud menace? I can almost picture him now, clad in the much-traveled trench coat and fedora, smoking a long, thin cigar as he knowingly spots would-be fraudulent voters buying candy at convenience stores. No doubt that wheels are already turning in Topeka to jam the registration system somehow, at least in part because the ideologue of a fourth district Congressman down here needs all the help he can get.
HA! Tom. So does the big potato agenda and the egg gathering agenda out here!
They’re stealing the word “progressives”? Uh, no. You don’t get to use that word.
Nor do you get to use the word liberal.
You are neocons. Emphasis on CONS.
Pmom,
They’re not even up to the level of neo-cons. They’re just far-right radicals who’ve _already_ stolen the word “conservative,” and whose agenda is best expressed in this very telling quote from their website:
“The Kansas Republican Party seeks to…maintain the values and beliefs of America’s heartland.”
In other words, “If you’re not white, straight, and fundamentalist “Christian,” don’t bother us.”
That strategy has worked out so well for them lately, I honestly hope they continue it.
:)
Given that Kansans live in a media environment that would make Pravda and Der Sturmer seem open minded, I’m surprised Kathleen only got 68%.
One can only wonder what Kansas would look like with a real press corps that honestly presented the news.
“years of Democrat control.”Harris News Service noted what Kobach didn’t: “… Republicans control both legislative chambers by wide margins.”
This is a typical mantra of the Republics both state and federal. Even though repblics have control of both houses in the state blame the Democrats for their failures. And nationally, even though the Republics can block things in the Senate and block overrides in the House blame the Democrats for their long-term failures there.
Hopefully the voters – especially nationally – will see through the Republic BS.
I’m a liberal! Somehow that pisses off leftist.
Oh well!
I like how one commentator put it. The Republicans in Congress are the old Democrats. The Democrats in Congress are now the leftist socialist.
Meaning that our entire government shifted to the left.
But that being said. The Republicans in Congress screwed it up themselves. First by not getting rid of bad Republicans as soon as they could. People like Delay should have been kicked out long time ago or not even elected to Congress in the first place. They got greedy and filled their bellies full of Pork. There are a whole host of other issues too.
Democrats? I see no hope for anything good coming out of them. They are so imprisoned by their blind loyalty that they don’t see the bad people in their party. In fact they encourage them. You will never hear any Democrat criticize another or do the right thing and kick some of their own members out of Congress that needs to go. But to Dems! Anybody that has a “D” beside their name is just an angel , regardless if that person even subscribes to any of the platform of the Democratic Party. You just need membership. That’s it and that easy!
Both houses of the legislature, and thanks to Kathleen and her Republicrat pals, both political parties.
Meaning that our entire government shifted to the left.Posted by: Joe Williams | October 06, 2007 at 10:27 AM
Oh. My.
Joe, I’ve seen some crazy hoohaw come out of your keyboard in the past, but this one takes the cake.
As moderate Republicans move to the Democratic Party, they are making _that_ party more conservative. This isn’t a shift to the left, Joe, it’s the middle looking for a rational, sane place to exist.
And that rational, sane place sure ain’t the current KSGOP.
Tom! I was speaking about Congress! The Federal Government!
I haven’t commented about the KSGOP or the state legislature make-up yet.
Try again!
..and just for the record once again…
while I agree with the sentiment, I am NOT the “dump sebelius” poster.
Just for the record. heheheh!
How about doing what they’ve campaigned on for decades and NOT done i.e. less taxes and less government
The biggest shift between GOP and Democrat in the Fed Congress took place when many of the the old ‘Boll Weevils’ (such as Senators Phil Gramm and Richard Shelby) became Republics. Other conservative Democrats (Blue Dogs, DLC) remain as Democrats.
The impact of this on the GOP has been a sort of turning away from the Lincoln roots as old deep-south segregationists found their new home in the GOP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boll_weevil_(politics)
I sould note that I was there when much of this happened having grown up in the Jim Crow South.
Actually your wrong Ben! Conservative Democrats became Republicans. That is how the South transformed from Democrat controlled to Republican.
The segregationist remain Democrats for the most part through. Robert Byrd is a perfect example.
Joe!
Thread title: “Kansas GOP needs to get real as well as get ideas”
My statements this morning have been in that context. If you want to go off on a tangential rant about US Congress, be my guest. I’m gonna stick to the subject, though. ;)
Joe! THAT IS WHAT I SAID!
You are correct that SOME of the segregationists stayed Dem (notably Byrd) but most (like Lott, Thurmond, etc) switched. Joe! I was there! I watched it happen up close and personal!
“Senator Strom Thurmond switched parties and became a Republican as a result of his support for the Barry Goldwater campaign in 1964. Jesse Helms also switched his party registration to Republican in 1970 and won a Senate seat in North Carolina in 1972. Phil Gramm of Texas, at the time a member of the House of Representatives, switched his party registration from Democrat to Republican in 1983″
Interestingly, the GOP in Georgia back in the 50s-60s was the party of change while the Democratic party was the party of Lester Maddox etc. That is part of why I was a Republican in Georgia.
Ben is right on target, as usual, in his 10:44 post. My dad is a Tidewater Virginian, born and bred. Unlike most of his brothers, he’s still a Democrat. But the transformation unfolded from Democrat to Republican exactly as Ben described it.
TRT – I suspect your dad and I pretty much experience the same things in the ‘old south’
Hey, ksfarmgrrl, once Kathleen rinses the coal dust off into your water, it’ll burn real clean.
Then there’s this idea several months ago:
“….. We Kansans, of course get to comment on what’s around us and involves us.We just don’t need “border ruffians” like what happened during Bleeding Kansas to come in and stir up trouble.A lot of the posters here who are Liberal aren’t originally from Kansas or not from Kansas at all and do not know what makes up Kansas values including the what Kansas Liberal Values are.People outside of Kansas who weren’t raised here, have no clue of what it means to be Kansan. Therefore they add some good things, but when they start assigning values that are not Kansan or never will be Kansan, then they need to leave.Kansas has enough of its own Liberals to keep us occupied, we don’t need any outside “coasters” to put their values on a state they no nothing about and usually dismiss as fly over territory. ….. “Posted by: Republican | June 23, 2007 at 03:29 PM
Thanks for the reminder ken. As a transplant who CHOSE to live in Kansas and who has lived here for more years as an adult than most native-born Kansans I know I am bothered by that ‘anti-immigrant’ attitude by both Republican and also exhibited by Joe!
I guess they are just afraid of new ideas.
Take heart, there’s hope. We aren’t all that way. I was born and raised here. I’ve never lived anywhere else and am not even well travelled.
Agreed JR. I have found most native-born Kansans to be open and friendly. However, there are those who hate ‘outsiders’
Is the Republican party trying to expand beyond god, guns, gays and fetuses? About the most progressive thing the Republicans can do is vote Democratic.
Great post Ken! Must have been made by an outstanding person. :)
Had to dig back for awhile eh Ken?
Still posting your photo on those Bi-Sexual Websites Ken? You know the ones with the full frontal nudity of males.
Agreed JR. I have found most native-born Kansans to be open and friendly. However, there are those who hate ‘outsiders’
Posted by: Ben | October 06, 2007 at 11:43 AM
I’m friendly in real life Ben. :)
I call newcomers new, since my family has been in Kansas since the mid 1850s, before Kansas was a state. Long history in this state. Have relatives near Atlanta that live in Decatur. They are Kansans that went to Georgia. :)
Decatur – UGH! I grew up in Avondale! ;^) (Sort of like Maize-Goddard)
And I can call almost everyone newcomers to the US since the immigrant part of my ancestry came here in the mid 18th century.
My issue was with your “then they need to leave” which has also been echoed by Joe!
Ben,
Yah, I go all the way back to the 1680s with the Dutch part of my family.
By the way Ben, here is what Ken forgot to include from the 23 July post. Out of context appears to be the thing for Lib posters lately.
======”It’s like KFG. I hardly agree with her, but I admire her ability to be a self-starter, have a working farm and operate a cafe. That’s what Kansans are all about, creativity, pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and minimizing the blame when they know they can do things to change it because of who they are.
For that, KFG gets a gold star.
Dr.Ben Huie is another good example who lives in a comfortable Kansas home and is recognized in the Community as a Professional who gets involved with the community. He is not originally from Kansas, but he lives here and knows the local issues often more than some of those born here.
I suppose if I went to a blog in Texas and started mocking rednecks and cowboys, I would soon be the brunt of the Blog elite.
So, if you “foreigners” don’t like my Kansas comments, feel free to get on your virtual plane and fly on out.
Posted by: Republican | June 23, 2007 at 03:29 PM “
Quoting someone out of context is dishonest I would say.
But Leftist Libs like doing that.
So what does that say about some of them. :)
Thanks Kansas – I had not looked up the post. Point accepted.
Joe!, on the other hand, has attacked me as ‘not beingrom here’ even though I have more adult tax-paying Kansas years under my belt than he does.
Ask your relatives about the ‘Blue Devils’ of Avondale.
Strange bedfellows sometimes. The ‘dixiecrats’ were ‘right-wing’ on raceand other social issues but were very populist at the same time. Also, they were MASTERS at pork barrel as we elected them again and again and they built up seniority. thus in many ways they did not at all fit in with the ‘old-line’ Republicans (Rockeffer etc) but were probably considered to be ‘useful idiots’ for a time as they broke from the national Democratic party.
Also, many who remained (notably Byrd) fit in on the spending side (at least somewhat) but definitely not on the social side.
The realigment that took place roughly 1955-1985 was quite interesting; especially from the perspective of a southernor who was there when it happened.
I’ve never lived anywhere else and am not even well travelled.
Posted by: J R
Reveals much about you.
“Quoting someone out of context is dishonest I would say.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 06, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Kansas is saying that Limbaugh was dishonest, when he cut 1 minute, 35 seconds out of a 1 minute, 50 second discussion, and called it the “ENTIRE” segment.
cosmos once again uses his evilly based deceptive posting that I’m stating something I never stated.
Just like when he says I lied about something, even though it was a quote from some one else and I just posted the comments of the other person. They are not my words, so it cannot be construed that I lied about something I didn’t write. Yet cosmos the liar does it on a daily basis.
cosmos doesn’t know what a liar is, because is a liar himself and mischaracterizes what lying is and by assigning false statements that no one has ever said.
His statement about Limbaugh proves my point that he assigns something where there is nothing.
cosmos is a full time liar.
cosmos is a full time liar.
Posted by: Kansas | October 06, 2007 at 03:30 PM
This is a laugh since everyone here knows that Kansas is a liar too.
“cosmos doesn’t know what a liar is, because is a liar himself and mischaracterizes what lying is and by assigning false statements that no one has ever said.”
Even if what you are saying is true and I don’t know that is or isn’t. Is what you are complaining about much worse than making up sh*t out of whole-cloth about people?
Exhibit ten thousand and one:
“cosmos the communistic ideologically based environmental terrorist calls anyone that isn’t of his ideology or thinking a liar or a fraud.
“When this hooh hah of his Global Climate Scaring blows up in his face, he’s going to slink back to his Theodore Kazinski hole and send out more letter bombs.”
Posted by: Kansas |
Oh and by the way, I decline getting into a pissing contest with you. I concede you are much more full of piss than me. But, thanks anyway.
Context = the parts just before and after a passage, that determine its meaning.
I don’t know what, if any, credentials cosmos has but I do know that what he has posted over time about climate change is scientifically sound. I have a feeling my science might trump his but he does a heck of a job searching out the articles from the scientific literature.
cosmos is indeed a valued contributor to this forum.
The same cannot be said for “kansas” or “Republcan” or any of his other 614 personalities.
Oh and look! Pat came in just to leave me a love offering. Again dear? I don’t like con women.
Kansas Republicans? I wonder if they are about to suffer the same schism as the party at large. Here in the “bible belt”, my guess is yes.
Heh heh heh
No Ben,
Not talking specifically about Global Warming. I’m talking about cosmos making statements about what people never say.
Then, cosmos says the poster is a liar if they post an opinion from another scientist or source.
Check this statement out cosmos wrote. I never wrote this, but cosmos does this all the time.
“Kansas is saying that Limbaugh was dishonest, when he cut 1 minute, 35 seconds out of a 1 minute, 50 second discussion, and called it the “ENTIRE” segment.”
Posted by: cosmos | October 06, 2007 at 02:30 PM
cosmos distorts and literally makes up what people write here.
He’s not doing a credible job when he does that, he is being a liar.
“Quoting someone out of context is dishonest I would say.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 06, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Kansas,
Are you arguing that Limbaugh was not dishonest when he:
1) Changed the “context”, by deleting 1 minute, 35 seconds out of 1:50 ?2) Falsely claimed the very shortened transcript was the “ENTIRE” transcript?3) Both 1 and 2 above?
No cosmos, I’m calling you are liar when you start a statement like
“Kansas is saying…”
Of course, this would NOT be an example of making up sh*t about people:
“When this hooh hah of his Global Climate Scaring blows up in his face, he’s going to slink back to his Theodore Kazinski hole and send out more letter bombs.”
Posted by: Kansas |ECP, your posting here diminishes you and the rest of us.
ECP, your posting here diminishes you and the rest of us.
Posted by: Steven Davis | October 06, 2007 at 07:57 PM
Your opinion of me is like an anal opening.
You know the rest…
Joe, you’re the only person who calls you a liberal. Well except maybe Phreddy Phelps. To him, everyone is liberal.
You are NOT a liberal. I am a liberal. You cannot claim to be part of what I am a part of. Ever.
Cartman, Cartman, So, if you make sh*t it is okay, but nobody else had better do that. Okay, gotcha.
Remember, too, this poster cannot experience embarrassment – even when he so obviously should.
Cretins like this can’t be dealt with and it is best to ignore them.
Cosmos,If you would stop responding to ECP, the rest of us would have to scroll past probably about half of its drivil. If you truly do have an concern for the environment, which hopefully extends to this virtual environment, you will get a clue about what you should do.
error – “drivil” should be “drivel”
Kansas,
Okay, then you seem to be arguing that Limbaugh was NOT dishonest when he:
1) Changed the “context”, by deleting 1 minute, 35 seconds out of 1:50 .
Kansas seems to have contradicted his earlier claim.
“Quoting someone out of context is dishonest I would say.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 06, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Steven Davis,
I agree with you, but was just having a little fun.
Agree with Steven.
I know it is frustrating cosmos to post cogent, honest, factual information and then have Mr. Multinics throw feces on the wall and you as a response.
But deal is? You don’t need to.
You and me and everyone here knows that “kansas” is dishonest, irellevant, and probably crazy. The only reason his own side of things won’t police him is because he lives on here filling space for the ideas they don’t have GOOD posters for. I don’t understand that they by that make themseves appear to be the belief system of the mentally wounded.
I got one word and one word only for “kansas” Irellevant. Maybe we should call him “your irellevancy”.
“Maybe we should call him ‘your irellevancy’”.
I prefer ECP (the honorary Eric Cartman Poster) but that only encouages him to flame more. And it insults the maturity level of poor ole Eric.
Listening to the yapping kenne dog liberals.
As if anyone would care what they think about me.
I guess they feel threatened by me or they wouldn’t spend so much time writing about me.
Yep — Another ground hog day at the blog !!!
I feel so threatened by a blogger who “walks” with quad cains. I am really scared. Please, somebody help me…
Walk on by, Walk on by…